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Tribal Warfare
09-28-2010, 11:55 PM
Chiefs' Hali is quietly racking up sacks (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/09/28/2259535/chiefs-hali-is-quietly-racking.html)
By KENT BABB
The Kansas City Star

Tamba Hali doesn’t say much, but when he does speak, he tends to mean it.

“You know,” he said after the Chiefs’ win Sunday against San Francisco, “Romeo Crennel has come in here and really changed our identity.”

Hali is Kansas City’s best pass rusher, and he took a vow of silence — or mostly silence — during last year’s training camp. He has said privately that he preferred to focus on his job, rather than speak his mind. He renewed that vow this year, and that became one part of Hali’s identity that hasn’t changed.

What Crennel, the team’s first-year defensive coordinator, has done is take Hali and turn him into the Chiefs’ most effective pass-rusher since Jared Allen was traded in 2008. It didn’t take that long, either.

And Crennel did it by changing the defense around Hali. Kansas City’s top priority now is stopping the run, and when that happens, Hali can chase quarterbacks. That’s how he spent Sunday, when he sacked Alex Smith three times. The Chiefs finished with five sacks in their 31-10 win at Arrowhead Stadium. The defense looked like an elite pass-rushing unit, and Hali had one of his best games since becoming an outside linebacker last season.

“All the things we were asking him to do within the scheme of our defense,” coach Todd Haley said, “he did.”

As big as Hali’s sacks were, it was the little things that stuck in his coach’s mind. Haley and Crennel have said that there are many factors that signal a disruptive pass rush, and only the most extreme of those is a sack. If a quarterback is hurried or rattled, or if an offense has to make adjustments that could compromise its objectives, then a defense has done its job.

Haley said Hali was part of a unit that did that Sunday, and Kansas City’s defense kept San Francisco out of the end zone for four full quarters; 49ers wide receiver Josh Morgan scored his team’s only touchdown after time expired.

Haley said that was, defensively, “the most complete game” to date, and it would be hard to argue that it wasn’t the best game Kansas City has played since Haley was hired in 2009. It was shortly after then that Hali was among several defensive players who had to shift to another position to accommodate the 3-4 defensive scheme that Haley hoped to run. Hali could still rush the passer, but he was raw as a linebacker, and few knew whether it would work out.

It took him six weeks to get as many sacks as he had Sunday, and he finished the season with 8 1/2 .

The Chiefs hired Crennel in the offseason, and he puts emphasis on stopping the run. If that happens, then quarterbacks are at an immediate disadvantage.

Sometimes things just go according to plan.

After the San Francisco game, Hali praised the Chiefs’ defensive line for holding the 49ers to 43 rushing yards, and Kansas City’s offense for scoring enough points to force Smith to pass more often — and Crennel for designing a scenario that Hali could succeed in.

That gave Hali his chances, and he delivered.

“Credit those guys for allowing me to rush this week,” he said.

So modest.

Haley has said that Hali, in his fifth year, has a chance to become one of the league’s best pass rushers, and he showed Sunday that he’s capable. Hali had three sacks in a game against Denver last year, and before that, the Chiefs had gone without a three-sack performance since Allen did it against Washington in 2005.

Hali might not say much, but that doesn’t mean he’ll go unnoticed the rest of this season. If Crennel’s scheme keeps working, you can be certain of that. That much showed in one afternoon at Arrowhead Stadium.

“That is a really good day,” Haley said, “and that is good for the Chiefs.”

DaneMcCloud
09-28-2010, 11:56 PM
No, he's not.

He has .5 sacks in two games and three sacks on a line that featured two rookie starters.

I'm not attempting to take anything away from Hali and his efforts, but let's see him consistently get sacks before saying that he's "quietly" doing anything.

pr_capone
09-28-2010, 11:58 PM
No, he's not.

He has .5 sacks in two games and three sacks on a line that featured two rookie starters.

I'm not attempting to take anything away from Hali and his efforts, but let's see him consistently get sacks before saying that he's "quietly" doing anything.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!

:cuss:

teedubya
09-29-2010, 12:00 AM
Obligatory Shaun Smith reference. He's racking up sacks, NOT so quietly.

Count Zarth
09-29-2010, 12:01 AM
I'm not attempting to take anything away from Hali and his efforts, but let's see him consistently get sacks before saying that he's "quietly" doing anything.

Sacks come in bunches.

I don't really expect Hali to get a sack every game if that's what you mean by "consistently." Even Jared Allen didn't do that.

Count Zarth
09-29-2010, 12:03 AM
“That is a really good day,” Haley said, “and that is good for the Chiefs.”

Channeling Herm there, sheesh.

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2010, 12:04 AM
Sacks come in bunches.

I don't really expect Hali to get a sack every game if that's what you mean by "consistently." Even Jared Allen didn't do that.

Come on.

He had eight sacks last year, which equates to .5 per game.

The most he's had in one year is 10.

He's a great dude with a nonstop motor but he is NOT James Harrison or any number of consistent, double digit OLB's.

I'm happy he's a Chief because without him, they'd have NO pass rush.

But let's Be Real here.

Count Zarth
09-29-2010, 12:06 AM
Come on.

He had eight sacks last year, which equates to .5 per game.

The most he's had in one year is 10.

He's a great dude with a nonstop motor but he is NOT James Harrison or any number of consistent, double digit OLB's.

I'm happy he's a Chief because without him, they'd have NO pass rush.

But let's Be Real here.

I'd say we don't know what he'll do this year. He hasn't played on a good run defense since '06, and he was a rookie then.

He's going to have a lot more opportunities this season.

KC Tattoo
09-29-2010, 12:23 AM
I like how they are moving him around and puting him on the opposite side too make plays. That's gonna make it much more difficult for the offense to account for him.

Keep it up Hali:thumb: good job.

Wait for Belcher to start wreaking havic along with Hali. Oh wait they both did on sunday FUCK YEA!!!!


Hoping to see Studebaker join the fun....

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2010, 12:24 AM
I'd say we don't know what he'll do this year. He hasn't played on a good run defense since '06, and he was a rookie then.

He's going to have a lot more opportunities this season.

I voted for him to have 10-11 sacks in this defense.

IF he had a young pass rushing specialist like Orakpo, Cushing or Matthews opposite, he'd have more.

He's a gamer and a worker. It's too bad his motor and football knowledge are greater than his physical attributes.

Hog Farmer
09-29-2010, 02:58 AM
Why haven't we seen Demarrio and Studebaker getting to the QB. They looked good in preseason.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-29-2010, 05:57 AM
Come on.

He had eight sacks last year, which equates to .5 per game.

The most he's had in one year is 10.

He's a great dude with a nonstop motor but he is NOT James Harrison or any number of consistent, double digit OLB's.

I'm happy he's a Chief because without him, they'd have NO pass rush.

But let's Be Real here.

We should be proud of you, I guess. I mean, in the 2009 offseason, Hali didn't have the talent to be a 3-4 OLB. Now, you are at least happy to have him.

Sacks come in bunches. Jared Allen currently has 1 sack through three games. I guess he is finished?

Sacks are a combination of having talent around you and often getting a lead. Hali has had very little of that anytime recently.

I think he will finish with double digit sacks for the first time in his career. And, if the Chiefs can continue to get leads, he could push that number up to 15.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-29-2010, 06:05 AM
I'm just happy to see productivity coming from another one of the many, many, many defensive draft picks we've spent the money on.

the Talking Can
09-29-2010, 06:06 AM
and Smith is loudly racking sacks....[/rim shot]

beach tribe
09-29-2010, 06:08 AM
No, he's not.

He has .5 sacks in two games and three sacks on a line that featured two rookie starters.

I'm not attempting to take anything away from Hali and his efforts, but let's see him consistently get sacks before saying that he's "quietly" doing anything.

I can't help but feel the same way. He's gonna have to show me more before I'm not going to want a premier pass rusher.

Marcellus
09-29-2010, 06:20 AM
He went from being called one of the worst LB's in the entire NFL to a less than elite pass rusher/CP.

Not bad in < 1.3 years.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-29-2010, 06:22 AM
I can't help but feel the same way. He's gonna have to show me more before I'm not going to want a premier pass rusher.

He could have 20 sacks, I would still want a premier pass rusher to start opposite of him.

Rausch
09-29-2010, 06:24 AM
I can't help but feel the same way. He's gonna have to show me more before I'm not going to want a premier pass rusher.

Even if he continues this pace we still need another OPR opposite him...

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-29-2010, 06:37 AM
Even if he continues this pace we still need another OPR opposite him...

Yep. He's the "Smith", we still need the "DT".

Rausch
09-29-2010, 06:42 AM
Yep. He's the "Smith", we still need the "DT".

What a nasty thing to say.

That man has done nothing to you...:shake:

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-29-2010, 06:44 AM
What a nasty thing to say.

That man has done nothing to you...:shake:

LMAO Damnit, Goober; you know what I mean.

Bob Dole
09-29-2010, 07:24 AM
Yep. He's the "Smith", we still need the "DT".

At the risk of being blasted: we have a DT type impact player in DJ...he's just not being used that way.

The Chiefs Dude
09-29-2010, 07:40 AM
Hali is a Beast. I think this year is going to be his break out year.

loochy
09-29-2010, 07:44 AM
I have to agree with Dane here. Hali is pretty good and I'm glad that he's on our team, but he's not really a sack superstar or future hall of famer or anything like that.

bringbackmarty
09-29-2010, 07:56 AM
Sacks come in bi$%hes.

I don't really expect Hali to get a sack every game if that's what you mean by "consistently." Even Jared Allen didn't do that.
fyp, qft.

bringbackmarty
09-29-2010, 07:57 AM
He could have 20 sacks, I would still want a premier pass rusher to start opposite of him.
I want him to see a urologist if he has 20 sacks.

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-29-2010, 08:00 AM
He's a very good player and with the improvement in the team and run defense, he'll have a ton more pass rushing opportunities. It's hard to rack up the sacks when the team is giving up eleventy billion rushing yards and being behind every week like has happened the last several years.

The Bad Guy
09-29-2010, 08:15 AM
No, he's not.

He has .5 sacks in two games and three sacks on a line that featured two rookie starters.

I'm not attempting to take anything away from Hali and his efforts, but let's see him consistently get sacks before saying that he's "quietly" doing anything.

Prior to that, the 49ers line gave up 2 sacks all year.

He slapped around Joe Staley too, who's in his 4th year.

I think having a coordinator who can effectively use him, and improved position coaches really can make a difference for Tamba.

Marcellus
09-29-2010, 08:21 AM
I have to agree with Dane here. Hali is pretty good and I'm glad that he's on our team, but he's not really a sack superstar or future hall of famer or anything like that.

I am trying to figure out where in the OP it even remotely refers to anything of that nature.

Mr. Arrowhead
09-29-2010, 09:06 AM
but he's not really a sack superstar
Shaun Smith is a sack superstar.

Shogun
09-29-2010, 09:07 AM
Shaun Smith is a sack superstar.

ROFL QFT

johnny961
09-29-2010, 09:15 AM
Shaun Smith is a sack superstar.

ROFL he's already got 2 sacks that I can think of.ROFL

Demonpenz
09-29-2010, 09:17 AM
Hali is a solid player and has played for awhile.

Cave Johnson
09-29-2010, 09:39 AM
Hali's issue has always been finishing. Tons of QB pressures but relatively few sacks. As an OLB, he's playing at a lighter weight, which should help him finish off plays.

I expect, given this is his 2nd year at OLB, him to have a 12-14 sack year.

Chiefnj2
09-29-2010, 09:43 AM
What'll help Hali, or any other OLB, the most is a front 3 that demand double teams. Hali had pressures but not as many sacks as possible last year because opposing QB's could move up, back or to the side and not have any other pressure.

Rausch
09-29-2010, 09:50 AM
Prior to that, the 49ers line gave up 2 sacks all year.

He slapped around Joe Staley too, who's in his 4th year.

I think having a coordinator who can effectively use him, and improved position coaches really can make a difference for Tamba.

This.

Plus, sacks ALWAYS come in bunches.

The best pass rusher KC has ever seen, DT, would get shut out for 2 weeks and then explode with 3 or 4 the next week.

Just look at Oakland and Seattle alone. He beat those motherfuckers like they promised to pay his child support...

Coach
09-29-2010, 11:19 AM
Prior to that, the 49ers line gave up 2 sacks all year.

He slapped around Joe Staley too, who's in his 4th year.

I think having a coordinator who can effectively use him, and improved position coaches really can make a difference for Tamba.

Not to mention that there were some CP members that wanted Staley, IIRC.

TheGuardian
09-29-2010, 11:49 AM
I've said it all along, Hali could have 14 sacks this season and dipshits like Dane will still rag on him. All the while having their lips fastened to Jared Allen's pubic bone, who is Casper in big games.

Mecca
09-29-2010, 01:32 PM
He's done a good job of proving people wrong showing he can actually play standing..I still think his best spot is as the complimentary rusher and not the main rusher though.

OnTheWarpath58
09-29-2010, 01:34 PM
Not to mention that there were some CP members that wanted Staley, IIRC.

I could be mis-remembering, but the only person I remember wanting Staley was findthedr.

The rest of us saw him for what he is.

A 2nd or 3rd round talent.

Mecca
09-29-2010, 01:36 PM
I think Frankie wanted Staley...but it was generally the handful of OL backers that it usually is.

OnTheWarpath58
09-29-2010, 01:41 PM
I think Frankie wanted Staley...but it was generally the handful of OL backers that it usually is.

That's possible.

Point being, I don't recall many people pining for Staley.

IIRC, most were looking at Okoye, Bowe and Meachem.

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2010, 01:44 PM
I've said it all along, Hali could have 14 sacks this season and dipshits like Dane will still rag on him. All the while having their lips fastened to Jared Allen's pubic bone, who is Casper in big games.

Were did I "rag" on him?

You need to work on your reading comprehension, Retardian.

beach tribe
09-29-2010, 01:50 PM
He's done a good job of proving people wrong showing he can actually play standing..I still think his best spot is as the complimentary rusher and not the main rusher though.

I love what Hali has done, and he has exceeded my expectations but I agree, and think his best work has come at the expense of RTs. A premier pass rusher at ROLB would turn Hali, and our defense in general in a monster IMHO.

the Talking Can
09-29-2010, 01:50 PM
That's possible.

Point being, I don't recall many people pining for Staley.

IIRC, most were looking at Okoye, Bowe and Meachem.

the only thing i remember about staley is people laughing at the trade made to acquire him...

no idea where then notion comes from that people wanted him

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-29-2010, 01:53 PM
8.5 sacks over his last 8 games. He's starting to get the hang of this standing up thing :clap:

OnTheWarpath58
09-29-2010, 01:55 PM
the only thing i remember about staley is people laughing at the trade made to acquire him...

no idea where then notion comes from that people wanted him

Same here.

PunkinDrublic
09-29-2010, 01:57 PM
Hali hustles and brings it on every down. He causes a lot of holds as well. The Chargers were holding him on virtually every play they ran on offense and never got flagged once.

OnTheWarpath58
09-29-2010, 02:06 PM
Hali hustles and brings it on every down. He causes a lot of holds as well. The Chargers were holding him on virtually every play they ran on offense and never got flagged once.

You could call holding on every play in the NFL.

Let's not act like it only happens to Tamba.

beach tribe
09-29-2010, 02:10 PM
8.5 sacks over his last 8 games. He's starting to get the hang of this standing up thing :clap:

Nice. Didn't realize that. He actually seems to be a better OLB than DE. He was absolutely swallowed by LTs at DE

philfree
09-29-2010, 02:18 PM
Nice. Didn't realize that. He actually seems to be a better OLB than DE. He was absolutely swallowed by LTs at DE

His knock coming out of college was that he was maxed out physically. It seems that sizing down and playing OLB in the 3-4 has opened up a whole new place for him to grow.

I Read on Chief Planet that we should have never forced the 3-4 on our defensive players because they were more suited for the 4-3:)


PhilFree:arrow:

PunkinDrublic
09-29-2010, 03:36 PM
You could call holding on every play in the NFL.

Let's not act like it only happens to Tamba.

Did you even watch the game? This wasn't ticky tack holding that you can just trivialize. Tamba was literally being put in a chokehold on every offensive play SD ran.

Count Zarth
09-29-2010, 03:48 PM
You could call holding on every play in the NFL.

Let's not act like it only happens to Tamba.

Certainly doesn't happen to Vrabel as much.

Hug it Out Dan
09-29-2010, 03:52 PM
Certainly doesn't happen to Vrabel as much.

that's because Vrabel is slower than dogshit.

OnTheWarpath58
09-29-2010, 04:05 PM
Did you even watch the game? This wasn't ticky tack holding that you can just trivialize. Tamba was literally being put in a chokehold on every offensive play SD ran.

Ok, Petegz28.

Mr. Laz
09-29-2010, 04:34 PM
Hali gets held a lot, as he gets more press i imagine the holding penalties will start to rise.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-29-2010, 06:18 PM
His knock coming out of college was that he was maxed out physically. It seems that sizing down and playing OLB in the 3-4 has opened up a whole new place for him to grow.

I Read on Chief Planet that we should have never forced the 3-4 on our defensive players because they were more suited for the 4-3:)


PhilFree:arrow:

Yes, prior to acquiring more personnel this year suited for the 3-4, 2009 Chiefs Defense was a RAGING success!!!!!

Mr. Laz
09-29-2010, 06:23 PM
Yes, prior to acquiring more personnel this year suited for the 3-4, 2009 Chiefs Defense was a RAGING success!!!!!except for that was the very freaking 1st year of the changeover

except the player changes on defense were minimal

except for some people have be complaining about "forcing a 3-4" this year.

don't worry, i figure the Chiefs will lose quite a few games now against the better teams coming up, so you guys can go back to complaining. patience.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-29-2010, 06:43 PM
except for that was the very freaking 1st year of the changeover

except the player changes on defense were minimal

except for some people have be complaining about "forcing a 3-4" this year.

don't worry, i figure the Chiefs will lose quite a few games now against the better teams coming up, so you guys can go back to complaining. patience.

Who?

keg in kc
09-29-2010, 06:47 PM
Yes, prior to acquiring more personnel this year suited for the 3-4, 2009 Chiefs Defense was a RAGING success!!!!!I can't believe they acquired more personnel this year. Don't they ever learn. Good teams never do that.

TheGuardian
09-29-2010, 06:50 PM
Yes, prior to acquiring more personnel this year suited for the 3-4, 2009 Chiefs Defense was a RAGING success!!!!!

Who?

Shaun Smith? That's it?

Stupid mother fuckers here are STILL saying that Dorsey is out of position, even though he himself has said this defense and this position is more similar to what he did in college.

Who is it that we got this offseason that made the transition so much easier?

We inserted two inside guys at linebacker that were already here. The defensive line hasn't changed except for adding Smith.

Do you ever know WTF you're talking about?

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2010, 06:56 PM
Who?

Shaun Smith? That's it?

Stupid mother fuckers here are STILL saying that Dorsey is out of position, even though he himself has said this defense and this position is more similar to what he did in college.

Who is it that we got this offseason that made the transition so much easier?

We inserted two inside guys at linebacker that were already here. The defensive line hasn't changed except for adding Smith.

Do you ever know WTF you're talking about?

Eric Berry, Javier Arenas and Kendrick Lewis disagree (as does Cameron Sheffield but he's on IR).

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-29-2010, 06:57 PM
Who?

Shaun Smith? That's it?

Stupid mother fuckers here are STILL saying that Dorsey is out of position, even though he himself has said this defense and this position is more similar to what he did in college.

Who is it that we got this offseason that made the transition so much easier?

We inserted two inside guys at linebacker that were already here. The defensive line hasn't changed except for adding Smith.

Do you ever know WTF you're talking about?

Oh dear God STFU.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-29-2010, 07:02 PM
Nice. Didn't realize that. He actually seems to be a better OLB than DE. He was absolutely swallowed by LTs at DE

This. I said it at the time, and I continued to get blasted for it. If you put him at DE, OT's can get their hands on him and limit his effectiveness. You let him get the a step before he takes on the OT, and he can use his athleticism to beat his guy. Lighten him up by 20lbs or so, and he is even more quick.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-29-2010, 07:10 PM
Yes, prior to acquiring more personnel this year suited for the 3-4, 2009 Chiefs Defense was a RAGING success!!!!!

This isn't a very solid point. The front seven is pretty much intact from last year. And, if TJ hadn't gotten hurt, Smith wouldn't even be starting.

The guys are just growing in this defense and the DC is MUCH improved.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-29-2010, 07:13 PM
Eric Berry, Javier Arenas and Kendrick Lewis disagree (as does Cameron Sheffield but he's on IR).

The front seven is pretty much the same. If TJ weren't injured, Smith wouldn't be starting.

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2010, 07:14 PM
This isn't a very solid point. The front seven is pretty much intact from last year.



Bullshit.

DJ wasn't a full time starter, neither was Belcher. Tyson Jackson has been outplayed by a former undrafted free agent in Shaun Smith. Additionally, Arenas has been far more effective in the nickel and our safety play isn't even close.

The Chiefs entered the season with Turk McBride at linebacker and Tank Tyler at nose tackle, along with Corey Mays and Demorrio Williams as the starting linebackers (and Leggett at nickle and sometimes at CB).

Your point is invalid.

As usual.

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2010, 07:15 PM
The front seven is pretty much the same.

Bullshit

SenselessChiefsFan
09-29-2010, 07:19 PM
Bullshit.

DJ wasn't a full time starter, neither was Belcher. Tyson Jackson has been outplayed by a former undrafted free agent in Shaun Smith. Additionally, Arenas has been far more effective in the nickel and our safety play isn't even close.

The Chiefs entered the season with Turk McBride at linebacker and Tank Tyler at nose tackle, along with Corey Mays and Demorrio Williams as the starting linebackers (and Leggett at nickle and sometimes at CB).

Your point is invalid.

As usual.


DJ and Belcher were here. Smith has outplayed TJ from last year, but not this year. All but Smith in the front seven were here last year.

And, Dorsey and Hali are two of the Chiefs best players on defense, and I believe you said neither could play in this defense.

So, yeah, adding in ONE free agent just magically changed the entire front seven. I guess whatever you need to tell yourself to avoid the fact that you are a dumbass.

philfree
09-29-2010, 07:40 PM
Yes, prior to acquiring more personnel this year suited for the 3-4, 2009 Chiefs Defense was a RAGING success!!!!!

Who did we acquire? Shaun Smith and who else? Smith is doing great but our front 7 is comprised of players who were here last year save Smith. Jackson was the seasons starter though.

The 2009 Chiefs D sucked but making the change to the 3-4 last year was the thing to do. It's benifited Hali and Dorsey tremendously. Our D wouldn't be where it is now if the change hadn't been made last year. Out ILBs are much better for it too.

Our front 7 has been playing well. Much improved from last year!

PhilFree:arrow:

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2010, 07:44 PM
DJ and Belcher were here. Smith has outplayed TJ from last year, but not this year. All but Smith in the front seven were here last year.

You're full of shit. DJ and Belcher were not consistent starters, whether they were "here" or not. TJ looked to be improved against SD but he's still not on the same level as smith.

And, Dorsey and Hali are two of the Chiefs best players on defense, and I believe you said neither could play in this defense.

More fucking bullshit.

BullshitChiefsfan. That's your new screen name.

So, yeah, adding in ONE free agent just magically changed the entire front seven. I guess whatever you need to tell yourself to avoid the fact that you are a dumbass.

You're a fucking retard.

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2010, 07:46 PM
Our front 7 has been playing well. Much improved from last year!


Three things:

1. Another year in the system and three new starters in the front seven.
2. Far better play from the safety position (which is HUGE).
3. Competent defensive line coach and defensive coordinator.

Mecca
09-29-2010, 07:46 PM
Derrick Johnson is probably already approaching the amount of snaps he played for the entire last season.

Saul Good
09-29-2010, 07:47 PM
Eric Berry, Javier Arenas and Kendrick Lewis disagree (as does Cameron Sheffield but he's on IR).

I guess Arenas is a 3-tech, right?

philfree
09-29-2010, 07:49 PM
Three things:

1. Another year in the system and three new starters in the front seven.
2. Far better play from the safety position (which is HUGE).
3. Competent defensive line coach and defensive coordinator.

I agree. And it's in the 2nd year of our 3-4 not the 1st.


PhilFree:arrow:

Saul Good
09-29-2010, 07:49 PM
I would like to see one quote from someone last year that mentioned our Safeties when bitching about switching to the 3-4. It was all about Hali, Dorsey, and lack of a true NT.

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2010, 07:55 PM
I would like to see one quote from someone last year that mentioned our Safeties when bitching about switching to the 3-4. It was all about Hali, Dorsey, and lack of a true NT.

More bullshit.

Do a search on DaneMcCloud and Mike Brown, then shut the fuck up.

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2010, 07:55 PM
I guess Arenas is a 3-tech, right?

Go back to the DC, Dummy

OnTheWarpath58
09-29-2010, 07:57 PM
Getting Corey Mays off the fucking field has helped this defense way more than anyone is giving credit for.

Saul Good
09-29-2010, 08:07 PM
More bullshit.

Do a search on DaneMcCloud and Mike Brown, then shut the **** up.

Just so I'm clear, your contention was that the Chiefs, when determining what style of defense they were going to play as they rebuilt their team from the ground up, should have considered which system best fit Mike Brown's skill set? It sounds like a pretty smart thing to say, but you're a pretty smart guy.

philfree
09-29-2010, 08:08 PM
LOL..I just remembered that I have an auto'd mini helment signed by both Tamba Hali and.....Jared Allen. (digging in the in the cabnet grumbling.."where is is my precious?"....)


PhilFree:arrow:

dirk digler
09-29-2010, 08:09 PM
I would like to see one quote from someone last year that mentioned our Safeties when bitching about switching to the 3-4. It was all about Hali, Dorsey, and lack of a true NT.

That may be true with regards to switching to the 3-4 but there was alot of bitching about our safety play and has been for several seasons.

Saul Good
09-29-2010, 08:12 PM
That may be true with regards to switching to the 3-4 but there was alot of bitching about our safety play and has been for several seasons.

Of course there was. Our Safeties were terrible, but that didn't have anything to do with playing a 3-4 or a 4-3. People are pretending that the Safeties we added equate to adding personnel that fits a 3-4 system as if Berry and Arenas are 3-4 Safeties as opposed to 4-3 Safeties.

philfree
09-29-2010, 08:12 PM
So at this point are there people who still contend that we shouldn't have switched to the 3-4 LAST YEAR?

PhilFree:arrow:

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2010, 08:13 PM
Just so I'm clear, your contention was that the Chiefs, when determining what style of defense they were going to play as they rebuilt their team from the ground up, should have considered which system best fit Mike Brown's skill set? It sounds like a pretty smart thing to say, but you're a pretty smart guy.

Just shut the fuck up.

JFC, you're a fucking moron.

Again, do a search, Asswipe.

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2010, 08:13 PM
Of course there was. Our Safeties were terrible, but that didn't have anything to do with playing a 3-4 or a 4-3. People are pretending that the Safeties we added equate to adding personnel that fits a 3-4 system as if Berry and Arenas are 3-4 Safeties as opposed to 4-3 Safeties.

What? Who said that?

You're a retard. You might wanna think about having that checked.

dirk digler
09-29-2010, 08:15 PM
Of course there was. Our Safeties were terrible, but that didn't have anything to do with playing a 3-4 or a 4-3. People are pretending that the Safeties we added equate to adding personnel that fits a 3-4 system as if Berry and Arenas are 3-4 Safeties as opposed to 4-3 Safeties.

I'm not around as much as I used to be but that would be the first I have heard of that. BTW Arenas plays nickel corner not safety

Saul Good
09-29-2010, 08:20 PM
Just shut the **** up.

JFC, you're a ****ing moron.

Again, do a search, Asswipe.

I'm not going to do a search for stupid shit you've said. I can read it right here. Guardian says that the only player we added for 3-4 personnel was Smith, and you countered by listing off 3 Defensive Backs as if those guys are somehow 3-4 DBs but not 4-3 guys.

You don't know what the f*** you are talking about. Mike Brown sucked because he was 3 years past his prime, not because he was playing in a 4-3. John McGraw sucked because he didn't have the talent, not be cause he was playing in a 4-3.

You are the one who was bitching that Hali and Dorsey couldn't play in a 4-3. Don't act like the clown shoes you are wearing go with your tie.

Saul Good
09-29-2010, 08:26 PM
I'm not around as much as I used to be but that would be the first I have heard of that. BTW Arenas plays nickel corner not safety

It's right here in this thread:

Originally Posted by Saul Good View Post
I would like to see one quote from someone last year that mentioned our Safeties when bitching about switching to the 3-4. It was all about Hali, Dorsey, and lack of a true NT.

More bullshit.

Do a search on DaneMcCloud and Mike Brown, then shut the **** up.Again, our Safeties sucked, but it had nothing to do with 4-3 versus 3-4. Dane said it was stupid to switch to the 3-4 because we didn't have the personnel. The only front 7 player we have now that we didn't have last year is Smith, and he's filled in for TJ who was playing well.

I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't have been a good idea for Haley to have said, "I'd like to switch to a 3-4 as we rebuild, but we need to stay in a 4-3 because it fits Mike Brown's style".

dirk digler
09-29-2010, 08:38 PM
It's right here in this thread:

Originally Posted by Saul Good View Post
I would like to see one quote from someone last year that mentioned our Safeties when bitching about switching to the 3-4. It was all about Hali, Dorsey, and lack of a true NT.

Again, our Safeties sucked, but it had nothing to do with 4-3 versus 3-4. Dane said it was stupid to switch to the 3-4 because we didn't have the personnel. The only front 7 player we have now that we didn't have last year is Smith, and he's filled in for TJ who was playing well.

I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't have been a good idea for Haley to have said, "I'd like to switch to a 3-4 as we rebuild, but we need to stay in a 4-3 because it fits Mike Brown's style".

I can't speak for Dane but I think he was talking about complaining about the safties in general not about moving to the 3-4. Dane can correct me if I am wrong.

Saul Good
09-29-2010, 08:47 PM
I can't speak for Dane but I think he was talking about complaining about the safties in general not about moving to the 3-4. Dane can correct me if I am wrong.

If he hadn't listed Arenas, Berry, and Lewis as examples of players we added in order to transition to a 3-4, I would give him the benefit of the doubt. Then, he argued with...

"I would like to see one quote from someone last year that mentioned our Safeties when bitching about switching to the 3-4. It was all about Hali, Dorsey, and lack of a true NT."

...by referencing his previous posts about Mike Brown. MIKE BROWN We should have stayed in the 4-3 because of Mike Brown. Evidently our defense was bad because Mike Brown was suited for the 4-3 and not the 3-4.

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2010, 09:06 PM
I'm not going to do a search for stupid shit you've said. I can read it right here. Guardian says that the only player we added for 3-4 personnel was Smith, and you countered by listing off 3 Defensive Backs as if those guys are somehow 3-4 DBs but not 4-3 guys.


JFC, I was talking about the TALENT LEVEL in comparison to last year.

You're fucking dense.

You are the one who was bitching that Hali and Dorsey couldn't play in a 4-3. Don't act like the clown shoes you are wearing go with your tie.

Prove it, Motherfucker.

Oh that's right, YOU CAN'T.

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2010, 09:11 PM
Dane said it was stupid to switch to the 3-4 because we didn't have the personnel. The only front 7 player we have now that we didn't have last year is Smith, and he's filled in for TJ who was playing well.

I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't have been a good idea for Haley to have said, "I'd like to switch to a 3-4 as we rebuild, but we need to stay in a 4-3 because it fits Mike Brown's style".

Again, more bullshit.

I'd like you pull some of these so-called quotes and the time frame.

Before the draft, the Chiefs DID NOT have the personnel to run the 3-4 effectively since they had been drafting for the 4-3 for a decade or more. They dumped Tank & Turk, added Mays, Belcher, Jackson & Magee, but Belcher wasn't a starter last year and Jackson and Magee sucked ass.

I don't know what you're trying to prove with your nonsensical posts, but this shit had been discusses AD NAUSEAM in 2009 and it has NO place in 2010, especially since there are NO LESS than FIVE new starters on defense, a new defensive line coach, a new secondary coach and a new offensive coordinator.

So kindly, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

PS - I wouldn't recommend aligning yourself with the fucking Retardian, but I'm guessing you're too dumb to figure that out.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-29-2010, 09:11 PM
What? Who said that?

You're a retard. You might wanna think about having that checked.

Yeah, when ever someone calls you on your bs, they are a moron.

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2010, 09:11 PM
Yeah, when ever someone calls you on your bs, they are a moron.

Says the least respected person that posts in the forum.

Fuck off, Cuntbag.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-29-2010, 09:12 PM
JFC, I was talking about the TALENT LEVEL in comparison to last year.

You're ****ing dense.



Prove it, Mother****er.

Oh that's right, YOU CAN'T.

People post links to prove you wrong all the time, and you just counter with 'you're a moron'. Why waste the time on your sorry ass?

SenselessChiefsFan
09-29-2010, 09:14 PM
Says the least respected person that posts in the forum.

**** off, ****bag.

Yep, same tune as always. Still only one player added in the front seven. A BACKUP when TJ is healthy. Man, what an awesome, awesome amount of talent added.

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2010, 09:14 PM
People post links to prove you wrong all the time, and you just counter with 'you're a moron'. Why waste the time on your sorry ass?

Bullshit. Bull FUCKING SHIT.

Go fuck your brother, you fucking inbred moron.

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2010, 09:15 PM
Yep, same tune as always. Still only one player added in the front seven. A BACKUP when TJ is healthy. Man, what an awesome, awesome amount of talent added.

Shut the fuck up.

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2010, 09:16 PM
Yep, same tune as always.

And you STILL don't get it

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2010, 09:16 PM
Yep, same tune as always. Still only one player added in the front seven. A BACKUP when TJ is healthy. Man, what an awesome, awesome amount of talent added.

How many games did Belcher start last year? Derrick Johnson?

Count Zarth
09-29-2010, 09:18 PM
I think Dane dials up the vile when he's supporting the Chiefs. I like it.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-29-2010, 09:20 PM
And you STILL don't get it

Awe, someone sick of getting picked on? Wow, you are going to neg rep me? Oh, no! I don't know that I can take it. You are getting owned and getting your own stupidity thrown in your face, and rather than just own it, you have to sit there and spin it.

Hilarious. But, yeah, the rest of us that point out that they added ONE MID LEVEL free agent in the front seven doesn't equal a massive talent infusion... are all the MORONS.

Who knew Smith was the free agent centerpiece of the off season. What an IMPACT. Especially, since TJ was the starter until he got hurt. Who knew a backup Defensive lineman could make such and impact. Completely raised the level of talent.

Amazing.

BossChief
09-29-2010, 09:23 PM
I thought Hali would fail at OLB, but I remember having Studebaker like hope for him because his combine times for quickness and change of direction were on par with elite OLBs in 3-4 defenses. Its his short arms, lacking 40 time and low amount of bench reps that scared me off of thinking he actually could transition to the position.

I was wrong. His heart, motor, balance and change of direction (which I did point out numerous times) have made him be a successful OLB and WHEN he tops 11 sacks this year, he should be due a fairly large contract extension...about 85% of Dumervils contracts is what he should be shooting for IMO... and he should get it. One thing is for sure, we will ALL find out over teh next two year if Clark IS cheap or not.

Truth be told, I think Studebaker has a chance at being a better overall defender in time.

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2010, 09:26 PM
Awe, someone sick of getting picked on?

Picked on? LMAO

By you and fucking "Saul"?

LMAO

You're both fucking retards. I couldn't give a fucking what either of you dumbass say or think.

Hilarious. But, yeah, the rest of us that point out that they added ONE MID LEVEL free agent in the front seven doesn't equal a massive talent infusion... are all the MORONS.

Where did I EVER state there was a massive infusion of talent on the front seven?

JFC, you are delusional.


Who knew Smith was the free agent centerpiece of the off season. What an IMPACT. Especially, since TJ was the starter until he got hurt. Who knew a backup Defensive lineman could make such and impact. Completely raised the level of talent.

Amazing.

Mike Goff.

Now, shut the fuck up.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-29-2010, 09:27 PM
How many games did Belcher start last year? Derrick Johnson?

I didn't know that they weren't on the team. Man, did we have two guys with the same name on the team last year?

The point is that the Chiefs had the majority of the talent in the front seven at the end of last year.

The point is that many said that Dorsey and Hali couldn't play in this defense, and they are two of the best players on the defense. AND that the Chiefs don't have a good enough NT. And, and and.

Heck, some said that DJ was not right for the 3-4.

But, the Chiefs added one player in the front seven. They added a backup defensive lineman. That suddenly swung the balance of the talent level apparently.

BossChief
09-29-2010, 09:30 PM
From 5-24-10...before OTAs or camp or anything...I was a fan of this group as as our starting LB corps since last years camp.

I would love to see our linebackers be this set of guys (if nobody is added from this point)

Studabaker
DJ
Belcher
Hali

I just hope the DL improves (as I think they will) so that our linebackers can have a chance.

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2010, 09:30 PM
I didn't know that they weren't on the team. Man, did we have two guys with the same name on the team last year?

The point is that the Chiefs had the majority of the talent in the front seven at the end of last year.

The point is that many said that Dorsey and Hali couldn't play in this defense, and they are two of the best players on the defense. AND that the Chiefs don't have a good enough NT. And, and and.

Heck, some said that DJ was not right for the 3-4.

But, the Chiefs added one player in the front seven. They added a backup defensive lineman. That suddenly swung the balance of the talent level apparently.


What's your point, Dipfuck? What the fuck are you even arguing or debating?

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2010, 09:31 PM
From 5-24-10...before OTAs or camp or anything...I was a fan of this group as as our starting LB corps since last years camp.

I said the same thing and was pimping Studebaker and Belcher last season.

I don't know what these dumbfucks are trying say.

OnTheWarpath58
09-29-2010, 09:31 PM
I didn't know that they weren't on the team. Man, did we have two guys with the same name on the team last year?

The point is that the Chiefs had the majority of the talent in the front seven at the end of last year.

The point is that many said that Dorsey and Hali couldn't play in this defense, and they are two of the best players on the defense. AND that the Chiefs don't have a good enough NT. And, and and.

Heck, some said that DJ was not right for the 3-4.

But, the Chiefs added one player in the front seven. They added a backup defensive lineman. That suddenly swung the balance of the talent level apparently.

Wow, that's not being intellectually dishonest or anything...

I see all these posts about how Belcher is the unsung hero of the defense thus far, yet people want to claim that because he was "here" last year, that him replacing Mays as a starter has nothing to do with the resurgence. Or that DJ actually getting consistent reps over Williams has had no impact.

I see people two people arguing the poster, and not the posts.

BossChief
09-29-2010, 09:34 PM
Sensible keeps digging himself deeper and deeper into this hole he has gotten into.

He is a guy that chooses to fight every battle, no matter how ill prepared he is for said battle...instead of picking and choosing his battles and preparing for them.

sad, really.

BossChief
09-29-2010, 09:36 PM
I see people two people arguing the poster, and not the posts.

This is exactly what is going on here.

They want to get a shot in on "Big Bad Dane" sooo bad that they cant see how bad their argument actually is.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-29-2010, 09:38 PM
Wow, that's not being intellectually dishonest or anything...

I see all these posts about how Belcher is the unsung hero of the defense thus far, yet people want to claim that because he was "here" last year, that him replacing Mays as a starter has nothing to do with the resurgence. Or that DJ actually getting consistent reps over Williams has had no impact.

I see people two people arguing the poster, and not the posts.

Other than one injury replacement starter, the entire front seven was here last year. The point that I have tried to point out is that the players have gotten better. This isn't some huge talent infusion.

And, two of the guys that got crapped on by Dane McCloud are among the best players on the defense.

BossChief
09-29-2010, 09:43 PM
Its too bad that I cant use the search function on my posts on DJ from all last year (because I always refer to him as DJ and that is too short to perform a search with) cause I fucking OWNED damn near everyone with my arguments and 100% predicted his late season and into this seasons turnaround...even to the point of calling for him as a possible DMVP candidate in Romeos scheme if he puts the work in to earn his run downs back by being gap responsible and learning to take on and shed blockers better.

I bet for many of these guys, playing for Romeo is like playing for their real grandfather/father. DJ is no exception.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-29-2010, 09:44 PM
What's your point, Dip****? What the **** are you even arguing or debating?

The point originally was that many of the guys that were already here fit the 3-4 well, despite all the 'gm's' on here, like you, who just knew that Dorsey couldn't play the 3-4. And, that Hali was, well here is a post in your own words:



"But, he's flat-footed, not particularly quick, fleet or fast. He doesn't move his hips well and is clueless in coverage. He's not nifty enough to get past an average offensive tackles (much less an elite tackle) and he doesn't have any instincts to speak of, meaning he doesn't read and react well."


See, you invited someone to do a search on you and Dorsey and Hali. I don't have time to do a search for all the negative crap you posted about how these guys suck.

Amazing what real coaching can do with real talent.

Mecca
09-29-2010, 09:45 PM
I wonder if the Chiefs will pay DJ now...

SenselessChiefsFan
09-29-2010, 09:46 PM
Its too bad that I cant use the search function on my posts on DJ from all last year (because I always refer to him as DJ and that is too short to perform a search with) cause I ****ing OWNED damn near everyone with my arguments and 100% predicted his late season and into this seasons turnaround...even to the point of calling for him as a possible DMVP candidate in Romeos scheme if he puts the work in to earn his run downs back by being gap responsible and learning to take on and shed blockers better.

I bet for many of these guys, playing for Romeo is like playing for their real grandfather/father. DJ is no exception.


To be fair, I don't think there is anyone on here who didn't think that DJ should be starting. Well, that's not true...some felt like he needed a wake up call. And, maybe he did. But, the guy has so much talent that it was hard to see him ride the bench.

BossChief
09-29-2010, 09:48 PM
Other than one injury replacement starter, the entire front seven was here last year. The point that I have tried to point out is that the players have gotten better. This isn't some huge talent infusion.

And, two of the guys that got crapped on by Dane McCloud are among the best players on the defense.

Nobody is arguing you about that, but after saying it sooo many times wouldnt you think to actually support your argument with some facts?

Your credibility is rock bottom, so you can make all the claims you want..but unless you back your claims its like KnowMo coming on here saying that Orton is HOF material and better than Tom Brady.

At least that guy TRIES to substantiate his fucking BS claims...you on the other hand, just make baseless claims.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-29-2010, 09:52 PM
Nobody is arguing you about that, but after saying it sooo many times wouldnt you think to actually support your argument with some facts?

Your credibility is rock bottom, so you can make all the claims you want..but unless you back your claims its like KnowMo coming on here saying that Orton is HOF material and better than Tom Brady.

At least that guy TRIES to substantiate his ****ing BS claims...you on the other hand, just make baseless claims.

Not true. When I posted that TJ was the better back in Cleveland, I posted the stats, the reasons, and when the balance started to go more away from Charles.

In regards to an argument with Dane, he claims that Weis and Romeo were only able to find jobs with the Chiefs. I posted links to both of them being connected with other jobs. And, in at least one of them, it was confirmed that the team talked to the coaches agent. I think it was the Giants with Crennel, but it could have been Weis.

Anyways, he refused to acknowledge the facts and resorted to name calling. Which is his thing. He is now trying to neg rep me off the board. Oh, no!

He's a self important douche that tries to bully guys on here because he hasn't the sack to do anything in real life.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-29-2010, 09:53 PM
I wonder if the Chiefs will pay DJ now...

I wonder if DJ will continue to play at this high of a level in a non contract year.

BossChief
09-29-2010, 10:26 PM
Not true. When I posted that TJ was the better back in Cleveland, I posted the stats, the reasons, and when the balance started to go more away from Charles.

In regards to an argument with Dane, he claims that Weis and Romeo were only able to find jobs with the Chiefs. I posted links to both of them being connected with other jobs. And, in at least one of them, it was confirmed that the team talked to the coaches agent. I think it was the Giants with Crennel, but it could have been Weis.

Anyways, he refused to acknowledge the facts and resorted to name calling. Which is his thing. He is now trying to neg rep me off the board. Oh, no!

He's a self important douche that tries to bully guys on here because he hasn't the sack to do anything in real life.

what a load of crap.

just quit, please.