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ceebz
10-14-2010, 04:04 PM
KC Joyner of ESPN just said in his chat that Flowers is giving up 2.6 yppa in 31 targets.

Can that be right? That's flippin amazing!

beach tribe
10-14-2010, 04:05 PM
Pro Bowler

Wyndex
10-14-2010, 04:07 PM
if i wasn't on my phone writing it up i would have had it posted befor you sir

Sully
10-14-2010, 04:07 PM
It's because of the bye week!!!


-Taco John

Demonpenz
10-14-2010, 04:08 PM
That's Mr. Brightside

BigMeatballDave
10-14-2010, 04:08 PM
It's because of the bye week!!!


-Taco JohnLMAO

Detoxing
10-14-2010, 04:12 PM
If Flowers doesn't make the Probowl then he's getting jewed. Who's playing better than him right now? Certainly not Revis.

Maybe you can make a case for Cromartie...but beyond that......???

Sofa King
10-14-2010, 04:13 PM
If Flowers doesn't make the Probowl then he's getting jewed. Who's playing better than him right now? Certainly not Revis.

Maybe you can make a case for Cromartie...but beyond that......???

Champ Bailey!!!! / Knowmo

cdcox
10-14-2010, 04:16 PM
Detoxing - not cool with the epitaph.

Sully
10-14-2010, 04:19 PM
Detoxing - not cool with the epitaph.

ROFL


I hope that was on purpose, and I'm laughing with you.

Red Brooklyn
10-14-2010, 04:19 PM
Pro Bowler

Count it.

sedated
10-14-2010, 04:20 PM
If Flowers doesn't make the Probowl then he's getting jewed.

this has nothing to do with salary

Saul Good
10-14-2010, 04:20 PM
He's given up something like 81 yards total. He has to have around half that many in return yardage following INTs.

Detoxing
10-14-2010, 04:22 PM
Detoxing - not cool with the epitaph.

ROFL


I hope that was on purpose, and I'm laughing with you.

ROFL

Ok, i don't get it.

Sully
10-14-2010, 04:23 PM
ROFL

Ok, i don't get it.

He was referring to your dumbass epithet, "getting jewed."

Detoxing
10-14-2010, 04:24 PM
He was referring to your dumbass epithet, "getting jewed."

OHHHHHH.....

teedubya
10-14-2010, 04:24 PM
"jewed". you don't see anything WRONG with that, Detoxing?

BigMeatballDave
10-14-2010, 04:25 PM
ROFL

Ok, i don't get it.'Jewed' is anti-semitic.

raybec 4
10-14-2010, 04:25 PM
ROFL

Ok, i don't get it.

Antisemitic thread hijacker!

Saul Good
10-14-2010, 04:26 PM
Detoxing - not cool with the epitaph.

That word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

raybec 4
10-14-2010, 04:27 PM
That word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

INCONCEIVABLE

Detoxing
10-14-2010, 04:27 PM
"jewed". you don't see anything WRONG with that, Detoxing?

'Jewed' is anti-semitic.

I get the epithet part, not the epitaph part.

FAX
10-14-2010, 04:28 PM
Damn, Mr. Detoxing.

Flowers is actually having a positive impact on Carr and Arenas in my opinion. I think they're playing better due to the standard he's setting. Honestly, this secondary is looking really, really good ... and should be together for a long time. Couldn't be happier about this.

FAX THE HAPPY

cdcox
10-14-2010, 04:28 PM
He was referring to your dumbass epithet, "getting jewed."

Honestly, I guessed at a spelling, and that was the closest one suggested by the spell checker so I went with it. Verbal was never my strong suit.

Fish
10-14-2010, 04:29 PM
ROFL

Ok, i don't get it.

Don't play dumb you Nazi sumbitch...

Detoxing
10-14-2010, 04:30 PM
So anyway, if Flowers doesn't make the probowl this year then he is getting "robbed".

There. Everyone feel better now?

FAX
10-14-2010, 04:30 PM
Honestly, I guessed at a spelling, and that was the closest one suggested by the spell checker so I went with it. Verbal was never my strong suit.

Maybe you have epithepse?

FAX

4th and Long
10-14-2010, 04:32 PM
That word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Get it right.
http://affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/wp-content/uploads/inconceivable-small.jpg
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

cdcox
10-14-2010, 04:34 PM
Maybe you have epithepse?

FAX

Could be a slight case of dyslexia.

KurtCobain
10-14-2010, 05:38 PM
Hey kids, I fucking hate Matt Cassel. He has not accuracy at all, I asked him to blow my head off with a shotgun, and the fucker missed! So I had to do it myself. Boy did that make me look bad.

Mr. Flopnuts
10-14-2010, 05:45 PM
I use the word Jewish all the time, but it's a term of endearment. Everyone can find something to be offended by.

KurtCobain
10-14-2010, 05:59 PM
Jewish people are too busy being smart to shower. They stink.

Basileus777
10-14-2010, 06:29 PM
Here's his article about it:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=5681251&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3djoyner_ kc%26id%3d5681251

It's insider only. Anyone care to share what he said about Flowers?

KCUnited
10-14-2010, 06:33 PM
Caught Petro talking about this on my way to class today, I believe he said it was a full 2 yards better than where Revis was at this point last season.

Frosty
10-14-2010, 06:44 PM
Pro Bowler

Unfortunately, since the Pro bowl is a popularity contest instead of actually rewarding good play, Flowers will have a hard time getting in over Revis and Asomugha. :mad:

Ivory Hunter
10-14-2010, 07:10 PM
Unfortunately, since the Pro bowl is a popularity contest instead of actually rewarding good play, Flowers will have a hard time getting in over Revis and Asomugha. :mad:

WTF homer? Asomugha is playing on an All-Pro level.

The AFC Pro Bowl ballot should be 1. Flowers 2. Leon Hall 3. Asomugha

Revis and Bailey should be getting the negative vibes NOT Asomugha.

thurman merman
10-14-2010, 08:09 PM
"It's cause the Chiefs haven't played anyone good yet" -- everyone

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-14-2010, 09:17 PM
The article I saw basically puts him at the TOP of the list for Corners who are primed to unseat the current league leaders.

And it calls him "phenomenal".

And I absolutely fucking agree.

TheGuardian
10-14-2010, 09:43 PM
WTF homer? Asomugha is playing on an All-Pro level.

The AFC Pro Bowl ballot should be 1. Flowers 2. Leon Hall 3. Asomugha

Revis and Bailey should be getting the negative vibes NOT Asomugha.

Nnamdi got his ass lit up against the Chargers. He's not really as good as a lot of people think he is, but when the Raiders other corner is just pure dog shit there is no reason to throw at him.

OnTheWarpath58
10-14-2010, 11:28 PM
Here's his article about it:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=5681251&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3djoyner_ kc%26id%3d5681251

It's insider only. Anyone care to share what he said about Flowers?

...

Champ Bailey has ceded the floor

A new wave of CBs -- Jammer, Flowers and even Cromartie -- are emerging as elite


Joyner By KC Joyner
ESPN Insider
Archive


It was 29 years ago this week that the NFL saw one of the most notable regular-season games in league history. Bill Walsh's San Francisco 49ers, a team that had won 10 games in the previous three seasons combined, were hosting a Dallas Cowboys squad that had played in back-to-back conference championship games the previous two years.

Very few -- if any -- experts gave San Francisco a chance at winning the game, but they did more than post a victory. Their 45-14 shellacking of the Cowboys proved to Walsh's players that they were capable of beating any team in the league.

It also stands out because it was one of the quietest changing-of-the-guard moments in league history; no one saw that this game was the launching pad for one of the most famed dynasties in football history.

It comes to mind now because we might be seeing a similar quiet changing of the guard this season in the realm of AFC Pro Bowl cornerbacks. That may come as a surprise, since last year's AFC Pro Bowl cornerback trio -- Darrelle Revis, Nnamdi Asomugha and Champ Bailey -- could lay a claim to being maybe the most talented coverage triumvirate ever.

As true as that last statement might be when referring to the whole of their careers, there are multiple metric reasons that show these three aren't playing to the caliber of their reputations. In addition, there are three other AFC cornerbacks whose high level of performance could end up vaulting them over any one, or even all, of the aforementioned all-stars.

Let's begin by looking at Bailey. He was recently in the news because his contract-extension talks with the Broncos hit a standstill. The two sides were said to be close to making a deal before the Broncos stepped back and decided to resume talks later.

Bailey has said he is disappointed in the team for doing this, but the Broncos have every right to be just as disappointed in his play this year. Bailey has given up 199 yards on the 21 passes thrown his way through five games. That equates to a 9.5 yards-per-attempt (YPA) mark. To put that into perspective, a YPA of 9 or more yards at season's end will normally place a player in the bottom one-third of the league in that category.

In the AFC West, Asomugha and Bailey are giving way to Flowers and Jammer.

This is probably why Denver's brain trust is holding back on the long-term extension; they want to see if this is an anomaly or the beginning of the downside of his career.

Asomugha is known as a player who isn't thrown at (his 25 targets in 2009 set the target qualifying floor for cornerbacks), but his problem is that his YPA on those aerials is quite high. Over the past 21 games, Asomugha has given up 339 yards on 37 passes directed his way. That calculates to a 9.2 YPA, which is, as noted above, quite unacceptable.


Revis gets something of a pass because his hamstring injury is why his play is off the mark this year, but it is worth noting that if he doesn't get back to his 2009 form before season's end, he will have only notched one truly dominant year in four NFL campaigns. That is not to say he will not return to form in 2011, but rather to note that Revis Island hasn't always been a barren stretch of land for opposing offenses.

Now let's move onto the cornerbacks who look to be ready to dethrone these coverage kings.

Let's start with Brandon Flowers. His 2010 coverage numbers have been simply phenomenal thus far. Flowers has been targeted 31 times and has allowed only 81 yards on those throws. That equals a ridiculously low 2.6 YPA, a number that is a full yard less than the eye-popping 3.6 YPA Revis posted last year. If he maintains anything close to this pace for the rest of the season, he should be a front-runner for both the Pro Bowl and All-Pro awards.

Next up is Quentin Jammer. Jammer isn't typically thought of as an elite cornerback, but he was one of only nine cornerbacks to finish in the top 30 in YPA in both 2008 and 2009. His 5.2 YPA thus far in 2010 is better than he posted in either of those two seasons, so he looks to be on pace to equal or better his ranking this year.

Last up is Antonio Cromartie. The reason he makes this list is that he has taken Revis' place as the crux of the Jets' defense. Rex Ryan funnels as many passes as he can through his best cornerback, and if that player can't hold up, Ryan's defense can collapse.

Cromartie's 7.2 YPA certainly is a drop-off from Revis' 3.6 total last season, but it has been achieved on 47 targets. Prorate that over a 16-game season and it would equal 150 targets. To put that into perspective, the highest target total any cornerback saw in 2009 was 102.

Cromartie is on pace to top that mark by about 50 percent, yet his YPA is still holding up. That is a more than adequate reason to consider him a strong contender for a Pro Bowl nomination.

Sully
10-14-2010, 11:59 PM
After the play Cromartie declined to attempt to make against the Jets in the playoffs last year, he shoul dnever be on any "top" list...ever.

-King-
10-15-2010, 12:03 AM
WTF homer? Asomugha is playing on an All-Pro level.

The AFC Pro Bowl ballot should be 1. Flowers 2. Leon Hall 3. Asomugha

Revis and Bailey should be getting the negative vibes NOT Asomugha.
No he's not. He played terrible last game. He had more penalties in a 4 play span than flowers has all season.
Sorry Asomugha is not playing on the same level as Flowers.
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RippedmyFlesh
10-15-2010, 12:15 AM
Good read THANKS OnTheWarpath58

milkman
10-15-2010, 08:04 AM
I wonder how Flowers numbers in his first two years stack up to this year.

I would bet that those numbers were solid as well.

But I do think that he, and the rest of the secondary are benefitting from the coaching of Emmit Thomas.

That pick 6 by Flowers reminded me of Thomas back in the day.

TheGuardian
10-15-2010, 08:08 AM
I wonder how Flowers numbers in his first two years stack up to this year.

I would bet that those numbers were solid as well.

But I do think that he, and the rest of the secondary are benefitting from the coaching of Emmit Thomas.

That pick 6 by Flowers reminded me of Thomas back in the day.

Flowers had a top 10 season as a rookie as well. While they may be befitting from better coaching, Flowers was good right out of the gate.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-15-2010, 03:33 PM
I wonder how Flowers numbers in his first two years stack up to this year.

I would bet that those numbers were solid as well.

But I do think that he, and the rest of the secondary are benefitting from the coaching of Emmit Thomas.

That pick 6 by Flowers reminded me of Thomas back in the day.

Flowers had a top 10 season as a rookie as well. While they may be befitting from better coaching, Flowers was good right out of the gate.

Combination of the two. Flowers was good under Herm, but is getting more picks, and finishing under Thomas.

Garcia Bronco
10-15-2010, 03:42 PM
I wonder how Flowers numbers in his first two years stack up to this year.

I would bet that those numbers were solid as well.

But I do think that he, and the rest of the secondary are benefitting from the coaching of Emmit Thomas.

That pick 6 by Flowers reminded me of Thomas back in the day.

He was great in college. It was obvious then he would be great in the Pros. He's got the talent and I doubt the coaching in the pros has much to do with it other than adpating to pro game rules.

Pants
10-15-2010, 03:46 PM
He was great in college. It was obvious then he would be great in the Pros. He's got the talent and I doubt the coaching in the pros has much to do with it other than adpating to pro game rules.

He lost the battle of corners to Aqib Talib in that Orange Bowl. :D

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-15-2010, 03:55 PM
He lost the battle of corners to Aqib Talib in that Orange Bowl. :D

Eleventy Billion to 2 says what? :D

Marcellus
10-15-2010, 05:47 PM
Combination of the two. Flowers was good under Herm, but is getting more picks, and finishing under Thomas.

Flowers is a stud but the difference in pressure up front should not be ignored. Hali had 11 that's right eleventy pressures against the Colts.

That makes covering receivers mucho easier.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-15-2010, 08:01 PM
Flowers is a stud but the difference in pressure up front should not be ignored. Hali had 11 that's right eleventy pressures against the Colts.

That makes covering receivers mucho easier.

And solid Safety play as well.

ElGringo
10-15-2010, 08:04 PM
I would say this entire defense is feeding off each other. The front 7 know they got guys that will cover, just not all day. The secondary know they got guys that will get pressure, if they can cover for a few seconds.

Thig Lyfe
10-15-2010, 08:23 PM
http://i55.tinypic.com/6h53bm.jpg

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-15-2010, 08:24 PM
http://i55.tinypic.com/6h53bm.jpg

ROFL

Garcia Bronco
10-15-2010, 08:37 PM
He lost the battle of corners to Aqib Talib in that Orange Bowl. :D

That's because his coach threatened to eat him if he didn't. :D

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-15-2010, 09:17 PM
That's because his coach threatened to eat him if he didn't. :D

HI-YO!:)

EyePod
10-15-2010, 09:21 PM
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/10/14/1751445/putting-the-play-of-chiefs-cb-brandon-flowers-into-perspective

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-15-2010, 09:25 PM
That's right, bitches; you WILL respect B-Flow.

EyePod
10-15-2010, 10:03 PM
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/10/14/1751445/putting-the-play-of-chiefs-cb-brandon-flowers-into-perspective

I now realize that the entire article is above. Ignore this link please, only contains a paragraph (the one that matters though) of the article.

Ebolapox
10-15-2010, 10:13 PM
how about jued? juh'd? joo'd?

philfree
10-15-2010, 10:22 PM
I wonder what Carr and Arenas' numbers look like. They've been playing well too.


PhilFree:arrow:

BossChief
10-16-2010, 01:30 AM
Arenas numbers already got posted in another thread, he is in lock-down mode as well.

IIRC opposing quarterbacks have a sub 70 rating against Arenas....best of all rookie corners.

Ill give someone 50k in casino cash and another 50k in rep if they PM me a login I can use for profootballfocus to access their rating system (it costs 50 clams nowadays)

Willie Lanier
10-16-2010, 03:50 AM
Brandon's skill set has finally been exposed to the public. He is a lock down corner even without the speed, he has the quickness. I hope he decides to stay here...

Basileus777
10-16-2010, 12:03 PM
Arenas numbers already got posted in another thread, he is in lock-down mode as well.

Do you remember which thread that was?

Dicky McElephant
10-16-2010, 12:05 PM
Do you remember which thread that was?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=235160

philfree
10-16-2010, 12:09 PM
Arenas numbers already got posted in another thread, he is in lock-down mode as well.

IIRC opposing quarterbacks have a sub 70 rating against Arenas....best of all rookie corners.

Ill give someone 50k in casino cash and another 50k in rep if they PM me a login I can use for profootballfocus to access their rating system (it costs 50 clams nowadays)

Arenas
He's just a return specialist
What a wasted pick
We should have drafted Cody

Couldn't resist.

PhilFree:arrow:

cdcox
10-16-2010, 12:09 PM
http://i55.tinypic.com/6h53bm.jpg

LMAO. Tooshay.

TheGuardian
10-16-2010, 01:00 PM
Arenas
He's just a return specialist
What a wasted pick
We should have drafted Cody

Couldn't resist.

PhilFree:arrow:

LOL