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Count Alex's Losses
10-15-2010, 09:26 AM
Cassel Has Chance For Redemption (http://kan.scout.com/2/1012123.html)

Suddenly, everything Matt Cassel does has meaning.

Every errant throw, bad read, fumble or interception from Cassel (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5024960) was meaningless last year. It was meaningless when, in a Week 16 game against the Bengals, Cassel threw for only 180 yards on 37 attempts, tossed two interceptions and undermined a Chiefs team that ran for over 100 yards and held the opposition to 17 points.

It was meaningless, because the Chiefs were headed for 4-12 and a roster overhaul. Even so, it gave me pause to consider the future: (http://kan.scout.com/2/932752.html)

At some point the Chiefs have to hold Cassel accountable for his lousy play. It doesnít mean much right now, in Week 16 of a season thatís going nowhere, but what happens against a division champion in the playoffs? What happens when KCís running game, defense, special teams and receivers play well enough to win with something on the line?

What happens when the Chiefs go to Indianapolis, their 3-0 record on the line, and hold Peyton Manning (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4876731) without a touchdown pass?

Suddenly, Casselís ineffective quarterbacking has meaning. The wide open receiver he missed on KCís first possession, the 10 percent third-down conversion rate, the three consecutive three-and-out possessions with the game on the line, it all means the Chiefs are 3-1 instead of 4-0. It means Chiefs fans are already calling for Brodie Croyle (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4911801), thinking about quarterback prospects in the next draft, and hoping future efforts from Kansas Cityís running game, defense and special teams arenít wasted.

Itís clear the Chiefs have improved in all of those areas, so why hasnít Cassel? Statistically, heís no better than he was a year ago in almost every area, and worse in some. While being sacked less than any other starting quarterback, his completion percentage has dipped below 55 (30th in the league) and heís on pace to throw for over 300 fewer yards. Cassel is less productive than Ramsí rookie quarterback Sam Bradford (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5092421), but manages to Ė just barely Ė outclass Oaklandís Bruce Gradkowski (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4852748), claimed off the NFL scrap heap a season ago.

So forget Croyle Ė the Chiefs could sign a player off the street to do what Cassel is currently doing. Thatís no exaggeration. It doesnít take a whole lot of talent or preparation to hand the ball to Jamaal Charles (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5024961) and Thomas Jones (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4840882) while dinking and dunking the ball around the field, far short of the first-down marker.

Against the Colts, Cassel literally did not complete a pass that traveled past six or seven yards until he hit Tony Moeaki (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5026693) on a 27-yard completion halfway through the third quarter. After that, he waited until the game was out of reach, when the Colts forced him to throw the ball down the field out of desperation. By then, it was too late.

Do the Chiefs have such a lack of confidence in their $15 million quarterback that theyíll ask him not to lose a game against Peyton Manning? Sorry, but Herm Edwards would be proud. We saw him draw up an almost identical offensive gameplan, losing 13-10, three years ago in Indianapolis.

Itís true. Herm took an overmatched 2007 Chiefs team into Indianapolis, asked Brodie Croyle not to lose the game, and produced a wonderful moral victory. The sad reality? Croyle was more productive than Cassel (169 yards passing, one touchdown), didnít have the luxury of a running game, and actually converted more than one third down. And this was against the NFLís third-ranked defense, not the helpless-without-Bob-Sanders pushovers who were ranked near the bottom of the league before facing Cassel.

Can anyone explain why Todd Haley Xeroxed Hermís 2007 gameplan and put a leash on one of the NFLís highest-paid quarterbacks? The Chiefs were supposed to be finished with that style of football. Isnít that why they fired Edwards and hired two offensive masterminds (Haley and Charlie Weis)?

Whatever the reasoning, itís difficult to argue the Chiefs couldnít be 4-0 today without more effective quarterback play. But hereís the good news Ė Cassel has a golden opportunity to redeem himself.

Starting with the Houston Texans this Sunday, the Chiefs face four of the NFLís five worst pass defenses over the next month. Houston, Jacksonville, Buffalo and Oakland are giving up big plays by the truckload and have allowed a whopping 44 combined touchdown passes. Opposing quarterbacks are lighting up their secondaries to the tune of an average passer rating of 107.1.

The Texans, in particular, are the worst of the group, as they are on pace to field the worst pass defense in NFL history. No other defense even comes close to the 330 pass yards per game they currently allow.

Making matters worse is Houstonís rookie cornerback, Kareem Jackson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4410322), who has been toasted in almost every game. According to Pro Football Focus, heís given up 29 catches at 14.7 yards per completion already. A week ago, New Yorkís Hakeem Nicks (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4977269) racked up 12 catches for 130 yards and two touchdowns against the Texans, with much of it coming against Jackson. Roy Williams (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5057915), who totaled one 100-yard game in the last two seasons, went off for 117 yards and two scores against Houston. He raced past Jackson for a 63-yard score.

Did I mention safety Bernard Pollard (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4881940) is alive and well in Houston, blowing coverages like itís 2007?

If Cassel is really worth all that money the Chiefs are paying him, heíll torch defensive backs for four weeks straight and there will be no question about the future of Kansas Cityís quarterback position. If KCís defense backs up his effort, the Chiefs will maintain their hold on first place in the AFC West.

In a season that appears to be going somewhere, it would have a whole lot of meaning.

Molitoth
10-15-2010, 09:38 AM
Nice article claythan.

I expecially liked "Sorry, but Herm Edwards would be proud." haha

Rausch
10-15-2010, 09:42 AM
I don't give you rep, but if I did, this would be when I would...

BigMeatballDave
10-15-2010, 09:48 AM
Good read.

These next 3-4 games should define Cassel. If they lose a couple due to his ineffectiveness, I dont see how they dont make a change. If not, its on Haley.

Fish
10-15-2010, 09:58 AM
Pretty well said right there...

Otter
10-15-2010, 09:59 AM
I don't give you rep, but if I did, this would be when I would...

Looks like you take rep though don't you? You filthy whore.

Nice article, unlike Brad, I will rep you. :harumph:

DMAC
10-15-2010, 10:02 AM
This game should be his chance for redemption game...his last chance. He needs to play somewhat mediocre on the road. If he can't again, pull his ass in the late 3rd. And he needs to know he is on that leash.

boogblaster
10-15-2010, 10:04 AM
Well said .. hope it happens .....

Rausch
10-15-2010, 10:13 AM
Looks like you take rep though don't you? You filthy whore.

I constantly put out rep.



I do have standards (now) though...

Dicky McElephant
10-15-2010, 10:17 AM
How many games does he have to lose.....before they fucking pull his worthless ass?

FAX
10-15-2010, 10:49 AM
How many games does he have to lose.....before they ****ing pull his worthless ass?

Three.

By the way, where is Weis in all this? He said he was coming here to fix the quarterback. Where is his accountability? Did he eat his own dang accountability?

FAX

Count Alex's Losses
10-15-2010, 10:53 AM
WHINNERS DON'T IMPROVE TEAM PERFORMANCE (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/10/15/1752805/cassel-has-chance-for-redemption#)

This site is fun at times but the negativivty towards individual players cannot help with team moral or motivation for it’s fans or players. As I have said many times before, GET A GRIP. Better WR play might motivate play calling with Cassell and others but to constantly bitch is non-productive when we should be as supportive as we can be. This team is moving in the right direction despite the constant berage of negativity. I don’t consider folks constant negatives as representative of the real Chiefs fan. We start out 3-1 and very well could have been 4-0 with a couple breaks last week. Looking at the schedule at the start of the season most real Chief fans should be exstatic versus what could have been. GO CHIEFS.

milkman
10-15-2010, 10:55 AM
So, for the sake of argument, let's say that Cassel "redeems himself" in this game, and the following games against piss poor pass defenses.

Does he, in fact, redeem himself, or is he the same piece of shit that can't be counted on to make plays against the better teams?

He is, as far as I'm conserned, the same piece of shit.

So the fuck what of he puts up respectable numbers agianst shit.

When the game matters most, he will still be the guy that can't make the plays that you have to have from QBs.

BigRichard
10-15-2010, 10:58 AM
Three.

By the way, where is Weis in all this? He said he was coming here to fix the quarterback. Where is his accountability? Did he eat his own dang accountability?

FAX

You cannot fix that which is unrepairable.

Rausch
10-15-2010, 11:01 AM
WHINNERS DON'T IMPROVE TEAM PERFORMANCE (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/10/15/1752805/cassel-has-chance-for-redemption#)

The important thing is to NOT REPEAT PAST MISTAKES!

If you think this is the type of offense Haley wants to run you are smoking crack.

Haley wants to pressure the defense and have weapons in the passing game that force defenses off that 8 or 9 man front.

No team in the NFl-

STOP. Think about that statement.

NO TEAM IN THE NFL is afraid of pushing 9 in and taking their chances with C@$$hole throwing the football. If you stop and think about it that's the best plan for success vs. the Chiefs right now.

We're 1995 with a Bono that can scramble, short a DT...

Count Alex's Losses
10-15-2010, 11:04 AM
We're 1995 with a Bono that can scramble, short a DT...

You insult Bono.

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Dicky McElephant
10-15-2010, 11:09 AM
WHINNERS DON'T IMPROVE TEAM PERFORMANCE (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/10/15/1752805/cassel-has-chance-for-redemption#)

Respectfully,

BarrysKoolaid

FAX
10-15-2010, 11:10 AM
So, for the sake of argument, let's say that Cassel "redeems himself" in this game, and the following games against piss poor pass defenses.

Does he, in fact, redeem himself, or is he the same piece of shit that can't be counted on to make plays against the better teams?

He is, as far as I'm conserned, the same piece of shit.

So the **** what of he puts up respectable numbers agianst shit.

When the game matters most, he will still be the guy that can't make the plays that you have to have from QBs.

That's, honestly, my greatest fear ... that Mitt Cassberry will, somehow, play just "well enough" to avoid being named the worst quarterback of all times forever.

I don't see it happening, though. Even a blind, fat girl can get raped on the bus ... but Manny Casswrinkle is beyond help. I truly believe he is a moron and a classic doofus.

FAX

Coogs
10-15-2010, 11:10 AM
I'll be shocked if we see Cassel chucking it all over the yard in any of the next four games. Haley has already said as much several weeks ago when he came to grips with the fact we were going to have to win games ugly.

Rausch
10-15-2010, 11:13 AM
You insult Bono.

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I'd fucking gut him from his hips to his bottom lip with his Mother's thigh bone given the chance...

Red Brooklyn
10-15-2010, 11:17 AM
Great read, GoChiefs.

But until Cassel can make the right reads and play though, smart and affectively against a tough defense, during a game that matters, there can be no redemption.

BossChief
10-15-2010, 11:17 AM
Oakland and Buffalos pass defenses are actually pretty good, statistically.

#10 and #11 in the NFL, respectively.

But yeah, this is a case where that doesn't really mean much because teams don't have to pass much against teams they are blowing out.

That said, I dont see out weapons matching up that well against either defense...Jax and Houston on the other hand...

Count Alex's Losses
10-15-2010, 11:21 AM
Oakland and Buffalos pass defenses are actually pretty good, statistically.

#10 and #11 in the NFL, respectively.


And they give up gobs of TD passes and high YPA. That was the point.

Pawnmower
10-15-2010, 11:32 AM
Did you write that GoChiefs?

Good stuff man.

Rausch
10-15-2010, 11:37 AM
And they give up gobs of TD passes and high YPA. That was the point.

SD just took Oakland behind the woodshed last week.

THey lost, that's fine, but those "elite" corners that everyone thinks Oakland has puked up INSANE yards and pts.

It seemed like Rivers could complete everything that day.

Not that C@sshole is capable of that, but damn, the Oaktown D looks a whole lot less impressive in retrospect...

LaChapelle
10-15-2010, 11:59 AM
Cassel sucks
but if you can't run in a TD on the Colts
he's not all your problems

johnny961
10-15-2010, 12:02 PM
If you think this is the type of offense Haley wants to run you are smoking crack.

Agreed. Haley's last stint as OC at Arizona had anything but a ho hum offense. And he likes to gamble. So to think that he wants to run a somewhat gutted version of the west coast offense is insane. I'm not saying we'll see the return of the DV era offenses but Haley knows the importance of having enough of a passing game to at least keep opposing defenses honest. To be honest, I think this year when he made that comment to the point of winning ugly he knew this offense was a work in progress and that there were still flaws in the system. I hate to say this but I don't see Cassel going anywhere this season even if the suckage continues. I could be wrong again but I think Haley(judging from his somewhat vague comments in interviews) came into this season expecting to give Weis some time to work with our offense and see where we need to go. That being said, I see this being addressed this offseason if Cassel can't get his head out of his rear. If both Haley and Weis push for a new QB I don't see Pioli getting in the way.

johnny961
10-15-2010, 12:03 PM
BTW good read.

Coogs
10-15-2010, 12:16 PM
And they give up gobs of TD passes and high YPA. That was the point.

Cleveland falls into that category as well. It looked like the game plan was to try and unleash Cassel in the first half against the Browns, and that was pretty much a disaster. Granted, in the second half, Cassel made some major strides over the first half, but I still don't see us going into the game with a pass first mode like we did at Cleveland.

Now a possible mix it up mode to keep them off stride like we did against the 49ers... I could see that.

B_Ambuehl
10-15-2010, 03:01 PM
GoChiefs your hate articles are always worth reading. Good job.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-15-2010, 04:06 PM
How many games does he have to lose.....before they fucking pull his worthless ass?

Eleventy.

Count Alex's Losses
10-15-2010, 05:10 PM
GoChiefs your hate articles are always worth reading. Good job.

ROFL

I love that they come off as "hate."

I'm just being fair.

beach tribe
10-15-2010, 05:32 PM
I'm going to go ahead, and say it.
I think Croyle will out play Cassel by a WIDE margin if he gets another shot. We might actually be able to get something for him if he does too. I think Croyle would be an awesome fit for a Weiss led offense, and we could probably get some value for him before he breaks again. Considering he doesn't break before then.
But then so what? Maybe Cassel will try and pro e something knowing that if he doesn't he'll be riding pine for the rest of his career, just like college.

BigMeatballDave
10-15-2010, 06:17 PM
Cassel sucks
but if you can't run in a TD on the Colts
he's not all your problems They started off gashing them. Once they saw Cassel sucked balls, they put 8-9 in the box.