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okiedokieokoye
10-19-2010, 03:21 PM
Per Adam Shefter on Twitter:

former third-round pick, defensive end Alex Magee, to Tampa Bay for draft conditions.

okiedokieokoye
10-19-2010, 03:22 PM
In return for DE Alex Magee, the Chiefs get back a 2011 draft pick from the Buccaneers, but Tampa Bay also gets one as well.

seclark
10-19-2010, 03:22 PM
shorthand em
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The Bad Guy
10-19-2010, 03:23 PM
Yikes. What an awful draft.

FAX
10-19-2010, 03:23 PM
Wait just a ding dang dangly dang minute, here ...

We traded a player and a draft pick for a conditional draft pick?

FAX

The Bad Guy
10-19-2010, 03:23 PM
With Jackson back this week, and Shaun Smith playing well, Magee really didn't have a home.

Wonder what WR they are signing to replace Magee.

Bewbies
10-19-2010, 03:26 PM
Why does Tampa love our horrible D-linemen?

gblowfish
10-19-2010, 03:26 PM
Be interesting to see what the terms of the trade are.
Vewwwy Interesting...

Hog Farmer
10-19-2010, 03:26 PM
We traded Magee and a 5th and receive a 7th.

siberian khatru
10-19-2010, 03:26 PM
Say hi to Ryan Sims, Alex.

Pants
10-19-2010, 03:27 PM
The draft pick we gave them with Magee is very intriguing, I must say.

Pants
10-19-2010, 03:27 PM
We traded Magee and a 5th and receive a 7th.

LMAO

FAX
10-19-2010, 03:28 PM
Hold on, here ... we traded Magee and a 5th for a 7th?

Did we get a dog named Dick, too?

FAX

sedated
10-19-2010, 03:31 PM
Be interesting to see what the terms of the trade are.

this.

probably nothing significant, but it'd be nice to get something out of that bust.

Micjones
10-19-2010, 03:32 PM
Has to be a WR that will take Magee's roster spot, no?

tyton75
10-19-2010, 03:32 PM
exactly.. at least we got SOMETHING for him

The Poz
10-19-2010, 03:34 PM
"Buccaneers acquired DE Alex Magee from the Chiefs.
One trade got done just before the deadline after all. Both teams will receive 2011 drat picks, with the Chiefs' obviously the higher of the two. A third-rounder out of Purdue in 2009, Magee had fallen out of the defensive line rotation this season. He's played in just two games, registered two tackles. He'll back up Stylez White and Kyle Moore in Tampa."
Per Rotoworld http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5317

The Bad Guy
10-19-2010, 03:34 PM
Hog Farmer is putting out quality posts. Well done.

CHENZ A!
10-19-2010, 03:34 PM
We traded Magee and a 5th and receive a 7th.

Hoho! Pioli wins again baby!
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raybec 4
10-19-2010, 03:34 PM
He was doomed to be cut after this year anyway. He at least brings a return.

Bewbies
10-19-2010, 03:34 PM
Jimmy Wilkerson, Ryan Sims, Alex Magee. If only they'd picked up Junior Siavii, Tank and Turk they'd have an All-Pro line for sure.

Chiefs Rool
10-19-2010, 03:35 PM
Wait just a ding dang dangly dang minute, here ...

We traded a player and a draft pick for a conditional draft pick?

FAX

has Pioli been drinking?

I'm sure it's something that works in our favor. Maybe Magee + a 6th from us to get their next years 2nd, lol.

Sofa King
10-19-2010, 03:36 PM
Has to be a WR that will take Magee's roster spot, no?

VINCIENT JACKSON!!!!111!!!!!

siberian khatru
10-19-2010, 03:36 PM
Jimmy Wilkerson, Ryan Sims, Alex Magee. If only they'd picked up Junior Siavii, Tank and Turk they'd have an All-Pro line for sure.

Wilkerson's with New Orleans this year.

Bewbies
10-19-2010, 03:36 PM
Wilkerson's with New Orleans this year.

He didn't make it in Tampa either? ROFL

Chiefs Rool
10-19-2010, 03:36 PM
VINCIENT JACKSON!!!!111!!!!!

to hell with that.

Sofa King
10-19-2010, 03:37 PM
to hell with that.

lol

Cave Johnson
10-19-2010, 03:37 PM
Good riddance.

BossChief
10-19-2010, 03:38 PM
With Jackson back this week, and Shaun Smith playing well, Magee really didn't have a home.

Wonder what WR they are signing to replace Magee.

This is what my take is as well.

I was actually happy we drafted Magee and think he will turn out to be a pretty good player. He was one of the guys that I liked predraft that year. Not a probowl talent, but a solid player that is good against the run and pass...kinda surprised he didnt go to a 3-4 team though.

Its too bad we don't really have a spot for him with Dorsey looking like a full time player and Gilberry playing well in a limited role along with Tyson and Shaun Smith taking care of the other side.

I bet we have a pretty good pick on the way out of this...something like

Magee + 5th = 3rd or something like that would make me jump up and down as I dont see TB finishing as strongly as they have started out and I think they will give us a fairly high pick.

If we got a 5th for Tank, I would venture a guess that we would get similar value (maybe a shade better) for Magee.

kstater
10-19-2010, 03:38 PM
Umpossible, no way Pioli would admit to a mistake.

doomy3
10-19-2010, 03:39 PM
Pioli is too proud to admit mistakes.

Pants
10-19-2010, 03:40 PM
Would Pioli really admit a mistake?

Billay
10-19-2010, 03:40 PM
Dane said the defense sucked last week because Magee was inactive.

siberian khatru
10-19-2010, 03:40 PM
He didn't make it in Tampa either? ROFL

Actually, he was pretty good last year. I think he was a FA and the Saints offered him more money (and/or the chance to play for the world champs).

BigCatDaddy
10-19-2010, 03:40 PM
I believe the name is Egoli.

Deberg_1990
10-19-2010, 03:45 PM
Would Pioli really admit a mistake?

Pioli is too proud to admit mistakes.

That wasnt a Pioli pick, that was a Herm and Carl scouts pick. : )

Stewie
10-19-2010, 03:45 PM
He'll back up Stylez White and Kyle Moore in Tampa."

Is this pronounced "Stiles"... "Sty-lez".... or "Sty-leeeez?"

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 03:46 PM
Dane said the defense sucked last week because Magee was inactive.

Fuck you, I never said that, you fucking retarded dipshit.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 03:47 PM
I said it on draft day and there's been nothing to change my mind:

The 2009 Chiefs draft will go down as the worst in franchise history.

Bar none.

JASONSAUTO
10-19-2010, 03:50 PM
Umpossible, no way Pioli would admit to a mistake.

Pioli is too proud to admit mistakes.

Would Pioli really admit a mistake?

I believe the name is Egoli.

LOL

Pestilence
10-19-2010, 03:50 PM
I said it on draft day and there's been nothing to change my mind:

The 2009 Chiefs draft will go down as the worst in franchise history.

Bar none.

How long before Tyson Jackson is gone?

blazzin311
10-19-2010, 03:51 PM
This is what my take is as well.

I was actually happy we drafted Magee and think he will turn out to be a pretty good player. He was one of the guys that I liked predraft that year. Not a probowl talent, but a solid player that is good against the run and pass...kinda surprised he didnt go to a 3-4 team though.

Its too bad we don't really have a spot for him with Dorsey looking like a full time player and Gilberry playing well in a limited role along with Tyson and Shaun Smith taking care of the other side.

I bet we have a pretty good pick on the way out of this...something like

Magee + 5th = 3rd or something like that would make me jump up and down as I dont see TB finishing as strongly as they have started out and I think they will give us a fairly high pick.

If we got a 5th for Tank, I would venture a guess that we would get similar value (maybe a shade better) for Magee.

We can only hope....either way it doesn't seem like a huge loss to part with Magee at this point. They were probably gonna let him walk anyways after this year so might as well get something for him while you can. I'm just curious to see what they got for him is all (what draft pick it is).

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 03:53 PM
How long before Tyson Jackson is gone?

Oh, I'm sure they'll give him at least until the end of the 2011 season to improve, especially since he was guaranteed $28 million.

I think Donald Washington will be gone before Jackson, which will leave two draft picks from the 2009 draft on the roster just two years later.

Billay
10-19-2010, 03:53 PM
**** you, I never said that, you ****ing retarded dipshit.

Do I need to post the quote? You gave the defense a pass for sucking because there were so many inactives on the d-line and mentioned Alex Magee by name it was either in the game thread of Hamas's thread.

Pawnmower
10-19-2010, 03:56 PM
Do I need to post the quote?

You don't NEED to but it would be funny. Everyone knows Dane is a fucking idiot, so the quote would just merely be for laughs.

Frosty
10-19-2010, 03:57 PM
Is this pronounced "Stiles"... "Sty-lez".... or "Sty-leeeez?"

Stiles

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 03:58 PM
We can only hope....either way it doesn't seem like a huge loss to part with Magee at this point. They were probably gonna let him walk anyways after this year so might as well get something for him while you can. I'm just curious to see what they got for him is all (what draft pick it is).

It's NOT a huge loss? WTF, man?

They completely BLEW the #3 overall choice in the third round.

There were still guys like Mike Wallace and Brandon Tate on the board, not to mention Antoine Caldwell and Louis Vasquez, and that's just in the third round.

It fucking sucks that they didn't get shit for that pick.

Deberg_1990
10-19-2010, 03:58 PM
I said it on draft day and there's been nothing to change my mind:

The 2009 Chiefs draft will go down as the worst in franchise history.

Bar none.

Once Cassel and Succop lead us to the "promised land", you will have a different opinion.

Coogs
10-19-2010, 03:59 PM
I said it on draft day and there's been nothing to change my mind:

The 2009 Chiefs draft will go down as the worst in franchise history.

Bar none.

I guess the good news is that the 2009 draft surrounded on both sides what may be the two best drafts in Chiefs history. Too early to tell yet, but both class look promising.

Pawnmower
10-19-2010, 04:01 PM
It's NOT a huge loss? WTF, man?

They completely BLEW the #3 overall choice in the third round.


Thats why it isn't a huge loss...Teams whiff on 3rd round picks all the time...It is a loss, sure...But 'huge' ? Nah.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-19-2010, 04:02 PM
We aren't exactly deep on the DL.

It's cool that we got something out of a sunk cost, however, if we are trading him to a Cover 2 team, I think it shows how badly we evaluated his skill set.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:04 PM
Thats why it isn't a huge loss...Teams whiff on 3rd round picks all the time...It is a loss, sure...But 'huge' ? Nah.

Successful teams are built through the draft. Look at the guys I mentioned.

How nice would it be to have Mike Wallace opposite Bowe?

The Chiefs sucked at the draft from 2000-2009, which is why they sucked on the field and had only two winning seasons during that time.

okiedokieokoye
10-19-2010, 04:05 PM
Is this pronounced "Stiles"... "Sty-lez".... or "Sty-leeeez?"

http://anarchylane.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/stiles2.jpg

Pawnmower
10-19-2010, 04:06 PM
Successful teams are built through the draft. Look at the guys I mentioned.

How nice would it be to have Mike Wallace opposite Bowe?


I agree, but that is totally different from the idea that a whiff on a 3rd round pick is some kind of huge, shocking failure. It is fairly routine....

2bikemike
10-19-2010, 04:07 PM
Successful teams are built through the draft. Look at the guys I mentioned.

How nice would it be to have Mike Wallace opposite Bowe?

The Chiefs sucked at the draft from 2000-2009, which is why they sucked on the field and had only two winning seasons during that time.

The Chiefs not only failed at the draft but the coaching of those young players was atrocious.

</post>
10-19-2010, 04:08 PM
1 3(3) Tyson Jackson
3 3(67) Alex Magee------------Traded
4 2(102) Donald Washington-----Roster (Converted to Backup SS)
5 3(139) Colin Brown------------Cut
6 2(175) Quinten Lawrence ------Practice Squad
7 3(212) Javarris Williams--------Cut
7 28(237) Jake O'Connell----------Roster (Basically Inactive)

:Lin:

Mecca
10-19-2010, 04:09 PM
I wonder if Jake O'Connell is watching his back right now.

Deberg_1990
10-19-2010, 04:09 PM
Successful teams are built through the draft. Look at the guys I mentioned.

How nice would it be to have Mike Wallace opposite Bowe?

The Chiefs sucked at the draft from 2000-2009, which is why they sucked on the field and had only two winning seasons during that time.

Looking back at 09 draft, it appears to be pretty weak overall. Who would you have drafted instead of Magee there?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft

Bewbies
10-19-2010, 04:10 PM
The 09 draft was weak period. Yes, we sucked, but that whole draft class sucked. Ass.

Our biggest f up wasn't in who we drafted, it's in who we traded for.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:10 PM
I agree, but that is totally different from the idea that a whiff on a 3rd round pick is some kind of huge, shocking failure. It is fairly routine....

Yes, it IS a failure.

Look at this year's draft: Moeaki has been a contributing starter from day one and Asamoah will be an effective starter sooner rather than later.

The Chiefs SHOULD HAVE gotten equal production in the 2009 draft and WOULD HAVE if they had chosen a different player.

No offense, but I don't think understand the value of hitting on your first day draft choices.

philfree
10-19-2010, 04:10 PM
1 3(3) Tyson Jackson
3 3(67) Alex Magee------------Traded
4 2(102) Donald Washington-----Roster (Converted to Backup SS)
5 3(139) Colin Brown------------Cut
6 2(175) Quinten Lawrence ------Practice Squad
7 3(212) Javarris Williams--------Cut
7 28(237) Jake O'Connell----------Roster (Basically Inactive)

:Lin:

O'Connel played this week didn't he? He caught a pass. :)


PhilFree:arrow:

Pestilence
10-19-2010, 04:10 PM
Looking back at 09 draft, it appears to be pretty weak overall. Who would you have drafted instead of Magee there?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft

Easily Mike Wallace.

Pawnmower
10-19-2010, 04:11 PM
1 3(3) Tyson Jackson
3 3(67) Alex Magee------------Traded
4 2(102) Donald Washington-----Roster (Converted to Backup SS)
5 3(139) Colin Brown------------Cut
6 2(175) Quinten Lawrence ------Practice Squad
7 3(212) Javarris Williams--------Cut
7 28(237) Jake O'Connell----------Roster (Basically Inactive)

:Lin:

I was getting hungry....

That makes me want to puke....

So sad...

OnTheWarpath58
10-19-2010, 04:11 PM
I didn't think the 2009 draft could get worse.

Nothing like missing so badly that you trade a high 3rd round pick after 20 games.

BigChiefFan
10-19-2010, 04:12 PM
Successful teams are built through the draft. Look at the guys I mentioned.

How nice would it be to have Mike Wallace opposite Bowe?

The Chiefs sucked at the draft from 2000-2009, which is why they sucked on the field and had only two winning seasons during that time.We got a draft pick and admitted a mistake in the process. When was the last time Carl traded a player still working off of his rookie contract?

Pestilence
10-19-2010, 04:13 PM
We could have come out of that draft with the first 3 picks (if we didn't trade for Cassel).

1st - Mark Sanchez
2nd - Ron Brace or Rey Maualuga
3rd - Mike Wallace

</post>
10-19-2010, 04:13 PM
O'Connel played this week didn't he? He caught a pass. :)


PhilFree:arrow:

Lolz

Indeed, the third of his career and the first stat this season!

BigChiefFan
10-19-2010, 04:14 PM
Why aren't people INCLUDING Cassel and Vrabel?

ChiefsCountry
10-19-2010, 04:14 PM
Looking back at 09 draft, it appears to be pretty weak overall. Who would you have drafted instead of Magee there?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft

Antoine Caldwell

Mecca
10-19-2010, 04:14 PM
Looking back at 09 draft, it appears to be pretty weak overall. Who would you have drafted instead of Magee there?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft

I'll admit the 3rd round looking back on it is pretty underwhelming, I really liked Jared Cook, wonder what he's doing these days.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:14 PM
Looking back at 09 draft, it appears to be pretty weak overall. Who would you have drafted instead of Magee there?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft

I already mentioned it:

There were still guys like Mike Wallace and Brandon Tate on the board, not to mention Antoine Caldwell and Louis Vasquez, and that's just in the third round.

Everyone of those guys went in the third round AFTER Magee and are contributing.

Randy Moss was traded because of Tate and Wallace had nearly 800 yards and 6TD's last year and has 301 yards and three TD's through five games with shit QB's.

Caldwell and Vasquez are starters for their respective teams.

And this doesn't even include fourth round players like Louis Murphy, who the Chiefs should have chosen instead of Washington.

Mecca
10-19-2010, 04:15 PM
Why aren't people INCLUDING Cassel and Vrabel?

Wouldn't that actually make it worse?

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-19-2010, 04:16 PM
Looking back at 09 draft, it appears to be pretty weak overall. Who would you have drafted instead of Magee there?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft

Caldwell, Terrance Knighton, or Mike Wallace are the most obvious guys. I drafted Brandon Tate in the CP Mock that year and he went in the third, but he was also coming off of a torn ACL, and thus represented a pretty significant risk, especially for a rebuilding team.

</post>
10-19-2010, 04:16 PM
I remember being high on Micheal Johnson at that pick, but that really wouldn't have been any better.

Mecca
10-19-2010, 04:17 PM
Johnny Knox went 1 pick after Colin Brown, that's a facepalm.

Pawnmower
10-19-2010, 04:17 PM
Nothing like missing so badly that you trade a high 3rd round pick after 20 games.

Actually at pick #67 if he goes on to play much more, he will be ABOVE average by playing much more than 30 games.

Source
http://www.advancednflstats.com/2009/04/career-success-by-draft-order.html

The real question is what the combined value for Magee + whatever we get for him will be. On average a high 3rd round pick should net about 2 full seasons.

I'm not sure of the sample sizes here, but to me it is pretty interesting stuff. Also there are plenty (of course) exceptions where high 3rd round guys did way more (or way less) than expected.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:18 PM
We got a draft pick and admitted a mistake in the process. When was the last time Carl traded a player still working off of his rookie contract?

We give up a player and a draft pick to get a draft pick in return.

So essentially, we're spending two picks to get one pick and I'll be shocked if it's higher than the 67th overall pick.

Think about that: 67th overall pick. GONE after 21 games.

Fucking pathetic.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-19-2010, 04:19 PM
Johnny Knox went 1 pick after Colin Brown, that's a facepalm.

We could have taken anyone else who was drafted after Brown, and regardless of whether they ever set foot on the field or not, they would have been a better draft pick.

That was such an inexplicable, horrible reach I'll never get that one. #73 overall tackle.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:19 PM
Executive of the Millennium

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:20 PM
We could have taken anyone else who was drafted after Brown, and regardless of whether they ever set foot on the field or not, they would have been a better draft pick.

That was such an inexplicable, horrible reach I'll never get that one. #73 overall tackle.

Yep

Chiefs Rool
10-19-2010, 04:21 PM
1 3(3) Tyson Jackson
3 3(67) Alex Magee------------Traded
4 2(102) Donald Washington-----Roster (Converted to Backup SS)
5 3(139) Colin Brown------------Cut
6 2(175) Quinten Lawrence ------Practice Squad
7 3(212) Javarris Williams--------Cut
7 28(237) Jake O'Connell----------Roster (Basically Inactive)

:Lin:

Don't forget what we used that #2 for either :cuss::cuss::mad::mad:

Deberg_1990
10-19-2010, 04:21 PM
Executive of the Millennium

heh, like i mentioned before, he can always use the "Carls Scouts" as as scapegoat. : )

Mecca
10-19-2010, 04:21 PM
That first offseason is proving to be the epic fail numerous thought it was.

Billay
10-19-2010, 04:21 PM
Executive of the Millennium

You seem to think he was an important player if you listed him by name as one of the reasons why the defense didn't perform.

</post>
10-19-2010, 04:21 PM
Were any of these guys team captains?

Pestilence
10-19-2010, 04:21 PM
The 2009 draft is what happens when you take over a team.....and you lock out the previous regime's scouts.

Fucking stupid....

Pestilence
10-19-2010, 04:22 PM
You seem to think he was an important player if you listed him by name as one of the reasons why the defense didn't perform.

Either show the post or shutup about it......Jesus.

BigChiefFan
10-19-2010, 04:22 PM
We give up a player and a draft pick to get a draft pick in return.

So essentially, we're spending two picks to get one pick and I'll be shocked if it's higher than the 67th overall pick.

Think about that: 67th overall pick. GONE after 21 games.

****ing pathetic.I don't like giving up on players that soon either, however it's refreshing seeing the GM ADMIT a MISTAKE and MOVE ON. Magee wasn't cutting the mustard, so the team sent a message...NOBODY is above the TEAM.

I also chalk it up to Carl's shitty talent evaluators. Pioli put his scouts in place after last season.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:23 PM
heh, like i mentioned before, he can always use the "Carls Scouts" as as scapegoat. : )

Dude, I thought you were joking.

That theory has been disproven by Bob Gretz. Pioli used the information from his scouts, not the Chiefs & Kuharich.

The 2009 draft is ALL on Pioli.

FTR, the 2008 draft fucking kicked ass, so that's a bullshit excuse anyway.

Chiefs Rool
10-19-2010, 04:23 PM
The 2009 draft is what happens when you take over a team.....and you lock out the previous regime's scouts.

****ing stupid....

well as shitty as the 2009 draft was. I'd say that Pioli redeemed himself thus far with his 2010 draft. Amazing, it has been so early on. I hope I can say the same thing about it in a couple of seasons.

Pestilence
10-19-2010, 04:24 PM
I don't like giving up on players that soon either, however it's refreshing seeing the GM ADMIT a MISTAKE and MOVE ON. Magee wasn't cutting the mustard, so the team sent a message...NOBODY is above the TEAM.

I also chalk it up to Carl's shitty talent evaluators. Pioli put his scouts in place after last season.

Nobody is above the team......except Matt Cassel.

And no.....Pioli didn't use Carl's scouts.

Bewbies
10-19-2010, 04:24 PM
I am not a fan of everything Pioli has done, and 09 was pretty bad, but he can win 5 Lombardi's in a row and people here will still hate him.

Yeah we won the Super Bowl, but dammit, we blew that 3rd round pick in 09 and we could have had...(insert scrub here)

Hog Farmer
10-19-2010, 04:24 PM
I remember being high on Micheal Johnson at that pick, but that really wouldn't have been any better.

Awesome post :thumb:

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:25 PM
I also chalk it up to Carl's shitty talent evaluators. Pioli put his scouts in place after last season.

Goddamit, that's outright fucking false.

The mods need to sticky Bob Gretz article stating that Pioli used the New England scouting information, ONLY.

Furthermore, use your fucking head: How could the Chiefs have such an amazing 2008 draft, only to shit themselves in 2009?

FUCK, some of people need to keep the fuck up.

DeezNutz
10-19-2010, 04:25 PM
I also chalk it up to Carl's shitty talent evaluators. Pioli put his scouts in place after last season.

Agreed. /Flowers, Charles, Dorsey, Carr, Bowe, etc.

Billay
10-19-2010, 04:25 PM
Either show the post or shutup about it......Jesus.

Get the knee pads out bruh. If the search function worked I could putt it up for you.

FAX
10-19-2010, 04:25 PM
I said it on draft day and there's been nothing to change my mind:

The 2009 Chiefs draft will go down as the worst in franchise history.

Bar none.

Oh, there has to be a worse one than that. Has to be.

FAX

DeezNutz
10-19-2010, 04:26 PM
he can win 5 Lombardi's in a row and people here will still hate him.

Absolutely. :clap: High-quality.

Billay
10-19-2010, 04:26 PM
Let's ignore the fact that all scouts were fired after the draft and the 2010 draft class overall looks productive.

Pestilence
10-19-2010, 04:27 PM
Get the knee pads out bruh. If the search function worked I could putt it up for you.

You already said its in one of two threads. Go back and find it. You don't need the search function.....bruh.

DeezNutz
10-19-2010, 04:27 PM
Oh, there has to be a worse one than that. Has to be.

FAX

Any Grandpa draft would be in the discussion, but the #3 overall **** up outweighs these.

</post>
10-19-2010, 04:27 PM
Let's ignore the fact that all scouts were fired after the draft and the 2010 draft class overall looks productive.

Is anyone ignoring that fact?

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:28 PM
Oh, there has to be a worse one than that. Has to be.

FAX

No my friend, sadly, there is not.

The Chiefs drafted #3 overall in the first round.

The last time they chose that high, they netted Neil Smith.

And if you'll recall, Steadman and Schaaf routinely had excellent drafts. They just couldn't hire a coach to save their jobs.

KC Tattoo
10-19-2010, 04:28 PM
Wonder how that Ryan Pieceofshitsims is doing?:hmmm:














Actually could give a Shanarat ass about him.:evil:

Billay
10-19-2010, 04:28 PM
You already said its in one of two threads. Go back and find it. You don't need the search function.....bruh.

Dude the game thread has over 174 pages the other one has like 20.

Billay
10-19-2010, 04:29 PM
Is anyone ignoring that fact?

Certainly.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:29 PM
Let's ignore the fact that all scouts were fired after the draft and the 2010 draft class overall looks productive.

He was paid $5 million last year to run the draft and the team. The draft sucked ass and there's no excuses that should or could be made for his incompetence.

Hog Farmer
10-19-2010, 04:30 PM
Goddamit, that's outright ****ing false.

The mods need to sticky Bob Gretz article stating that Pioli used the New England scouting information, ONLY.

Furthermore, use your ****ing head: How could the Chiefs have such an amazing 2008 draft, only to shit themselves in 2009?

****, some of people need to keep the **** up.


ROFL I love you man !

Not in a ghey sort of way either.

Billay
10-19-2010, 04:31 PM
He was paid $5 million last year to run the draft and the team. The draft sucked ass and there's no excuses that should or could be made for his incompetence.

And this year the team is in first place and has one of the most productive rookie classes in franchise history despite the fact the 1st round pick has done shit. If they make the playoffs this year which is likely nobody is going to give a shit how bad the 2009 was.

eazyb81
10-19-2010, 04:31 PM
"Buccaneers acquired DE Alex Magee from the Chiefs.
One trade got done just before the deadline after all. Both teams will receive 2011 drat picks, with the Chiefs' obviously the higher of the two. A third-rounder out of Purdue in 2009, Magee had fallen out of the defensive line rotation this season. He's played in just two games, registered two tackles. He'll back up Stylez White and Kyle Moore in Tampa."
Per Rotoworld http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5317

Hold the presses - there's a guy named Stylez in the NFL?

That sounds too "Different Strokes" to be real.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-19-2010, 04:31 PM
Oh, there has to be a worse one than that. Has to be.

FAX

When you factor Cassel into the situation, it may be pretty hard to disprove.

120 million dollars and the #3 and #34 overall picks tied up in a career backup QB and our third best defensive end.

No one else from that draft class has made an impact of any note, save for the very last pick of the draft.

It's remarkably similar to the fail of our 2001 Draft. However, even though we burned a #1 for five years of Green, he did play like a top 10 QB for the duration of his tenure here. That alone elevates it that class.

FAX
10-19-2010, 04:32 PM
No my friend, sadly, there is not.

The Chiefs drafted #3 overall in the first round.

The last time they chose that high, they netted Neil Smith.

And if you'll recall, Steadman and Schaaf routinely had excellent drafts. They just couldn't hire a coach to save their jobs.

Hmmm.

We'll have to do some research on this. My conviction is based on the fact that Carl has had some really, really, really bad drafts during his 5-year plan.

Meanwhile ... here's 2006:

Hali
Pollard
Croyle
Marcus Maxey
Tre Stallings
Jeff Webb
Page

Hali stands out ... although a lot of people where dissing the living crap out of that pick at the time.

FAX

chiefzilla1501
10-19-2010, 04:32 PM
Oh, there has to be a worse one than that. Has to be.

FAX

Not many. 2002 was close. Scott Fujita saves that, but they traded up to get a guy who was horrible.

Succop was a good pick, but you can't celebrate taking a kicker. So it looks like Tyson Jackson is the only guy who can turn this from worst draft ever to "horrible, but not worst." I think Jackson will turn out to be a decent starter, but then again, it could have been Sanchez. I think you also have to factor in that this draft class may have been one of the worst in history.

Shame that we threw away an entire draft where we had a great draft position.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:32 PM
And this year the team is in first place and has one of the most productive rookie classes in franchise history despite the fact the 1st round pick has done shit. If they make the playoffs this year which is likely nobody is going to give a shit how bad the 2009 was.

LMAO

Yeah, I'm sure everyone will forget how Cassel continues to suck ass, Vrabel gets beats on consecutive plays by a tight end (helping to setup another score) and the Chiefs passed on Sanchez & Maualuga.

Yep, that'll all be forgotten when the Chiefs draft a linebacker and QB in the 2011 draft.

SNR
10-19-2010, 04:32 PM
Why are you guys forgetting about Ryan Succop? He's the best player to come out of that 2009 draft. You can't leave him off!

Pawnmower
10-19-2010, 04:33 PM
Think about that: 67th overall pick. GONE after 21 games.

****ing pathetic.

Its not the Magee Pick in and of itself that is the bad part (unfortunately). The Magee pick does not fall that much out of the bounds of the norm.

Here is a chart you can look at:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=519

If you look down to the 67 overall pick...there is a very low probability for success at that spot or lower.


The Magee pick was bad, yes. But It wasn't not an aberation statistically....The thing that REALLY sucks is that we wiffed on EVERY pick that year seemingly.

Pestilence
10-19-2010, 04:34 PM
Dude the game thread has over 174 pages the other one has like 20.

Wow.....because that was fucking hard. You fucking slacker.

I'm not surprised that the defense had problems today.

Kendrick Lewis, Tyson Jackson and Alex Magee were inactive, leaving the Chiefs thin at defensive end and NT, along with forcing them to use Washington at safety.

Plus, Houston has been a Top Five offensive team for years, so it's unsurprising that they were able to come back.

But with that said, none of it affects Cassel's inability to complete a pass to wide open receivers with the game on the line.

chiefzilla1501
10-19-2010, 04:34 PM
Let's ignore the fact that all scouts were fired after the draft and the 2010 draft class overall looks productive.

The scouts were fired, but they should have been used in 2009.

I still can't figure that decision out. Especially after the draft they put together in 2008. I get that you're running a different defense, but at the worst, use your scouts' knowledge on ILBs, CBs, Safeties, and Offense. It's not like any of those players are tied to a 3-4.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:34 PM
Hmmm.

We'll have to do some research on this. My conviction is based on the fact that Carl has had some really, really, really bad drafts during his 5-year plan.

Meanwhile ... here's 2006:

Hali
Pollard
Croyle
Marcus Maxey
Tre Stallings
Jeff Webb
Page

Hali stands out ... although a lot of people where dissing the living crap out of that pick at the time.

FAX

Hali was taken #20 overall and continues to play well. Pollard is a starter and Page is contributing in New England. Croyle, as we know, is the Chiefs primary backup.

Compare that to Tyson Jackson, Donald Washington, Ryan Succop and Jake O'Connell.

Yuck.

FAX
10-19-2010, 04:34 PM
2007 ...

Bowe
Turk McBride
DeMarcus Tyler
Kolby Smith
Justin Medlock
Herbert Taylor
Michael Allan

FAX

Hog Farmer
10-19-2010, 04:35 PM
Why are you guys forgetting about Ryan Succop? He's the best player to come out of that 2009 draft. You can't leave him off!

Because he's Irrelevant !


Get it.

Mr. Irrelevant!

Damn I crack myself up ! ROFL

</post>
10-19-2010, 04:35 PM
And this year the team is in first place and has one of the most productive rookie classes in franchise history despite the fact the 1st round pick has done shit. If they make the playoffs this year which is likely nobody is going to give a shit how bad the 2009 was.

Think about how much better the team would be with even a sub par draft in 2009.

Pestilence
10-19-2010, 04:35 PM
And this year the team is in first place and has one of the most productive rookie classes in franchise history despite the fact the 1st round pick has done shit. If they make the playoffs this year which is likely nobody is going to give a shit how bad the 2009 was.

Berry has done shit? Yeah....he's not one of the reasons why our run defense is good.

FAX
10-19-2010, 04:36 PM
Hali was taken #20 overall and continues to play well. Pollard is a starter and Page is contributing in New England. Croyle, as we know, is the Chiefs primary backup.

Compare that to Tyson Jackson, Donald Washington, Ryan Succop and Jake O'Connell.

Yuck.

I'm not arguing ... merely cogitating.

By the way, I thought Mr. billay was in your fan club? What's the deal? Did you promise him a signed photograph and forget or something?

FAX

Billay
10-19-2010, 04:36 PM
LMAO

Yeah, I'm sure everyone will forget how Cassel continues to suck ass, Vrabel gets beats on consecutive plays by a tight end (helping to setup another score) and the Chiefs passed on Sanchez & Maualuga.

Yep, that'll all be forgotten when the Chiefs draft a linebacker and QB in the 2011 draft.

ROFL

Yet they'll make the playoffs while Dane McCloud stomped his feet and said it would be 5 years before they done so. You, Hamas, ect just really need to admit you were wrong.

SNR
10-19-2010, 04:37 PM
2007 ...

Bowe
Turk McBride
DeMarcus Tyler
Kolby Smith
Justin Medlock
Herbert Taylor
Michael Allan

FAXHerb Taylor swings the biggest, chocolatiest penis this league has ever seen. That one draft pick was worth more than all of 2009 combined

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-19-2010, 04:37 PM
1994 and 1995 were epically horrible drafts as well.

chiefzilla1501
10-19-2010, 04:37 PM
LMAO

Yeah, I'm sure everyone will forget how Cassel continues to suck ass, Vrabel gets beats on consecutive plays by a tight end (helping to setup another score) and the Chiefs passed on Sanchez & Maualuga.

Yep, that'll all be forgotten when the Chiefs draft a linebacker and QB in the 2011 draft.

I don't have a problem with Vrabel over Maualuga.

Despite all the personnel fuck-ups in 2009, they did get the character thing right. Mauluga's a douche bag. I've heard it from people who've played football with him. Vrabel may be a liability on the field, but I think a lot of young defensive players we have are better for him being here.

The Cassel decision is the one that smarts, not so much for the second round pick we gave up as much as it is for skipping out on Sanchez.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:37 PM
ROFL

Yet they'll make the playoffs while Dane McCloud stomped his feet and said it would be 5 years before they done so. You, Hamas, ect just really need to admit you were wrong.

Wrong about what, you fucking douchetard?

The 2009 Chiefs draft SUCKED. Are you trying to argue otherwise?

If so, LMAO.

OnTheWarpath58
10-19-2010, 04:37 PM
Not many. 2002 was close. Scott Fujita saves that, but they traded up to get a guy who was horrible.

Succop was a good pick, but you can't celebrate taking a kicker. So it looks like Tyson Jackson is the only guy who can turn this from worst draft ever to "horrible, but not worst." I think Jackson will turn out to be a decent starter, but then again, it could have been Sanchez. I think you also have to factor in that this draft class may have been one of the worst in history.

Shame that we threw away an entire draft where we had a great draft position.

It's OK, because we're 3-2 right now.

DeezNutz
10-19-2010, 04:37 PM
You, Hamas, ect just really need to admit you were wrong.

An official apology thread?

Billay
10-19-2010, 04:38 PM
Berry has done shit? Yeah....he's not one of the reasons why our run defense is good.

The run defense was good last week?

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:38 PM
I'm not arguing ... merely cogitating.

By the way, I thought Mr. billay was in your fan club? What's the deal? Did you promise him a signed photograph and forget or something?

FAX

My hatred for the 2009 Chiefs draft seems to aggravate some of my minions.

:evil:

Pestilence
10-19-2010, 04:38 PM
Dude the game thread has over 174 pages the other one has like 20.

Wow.....because that was fucking hard. You fucking slacker.

Oh...and FWIW.....Dane was talking about how our lack of depth across the defense caused us problems.

DeezNutz
10-19-2010, 04:38 PM
The run defense was good last week?

Hootie says our run defense is solid, so I'm not worried.

FAX
10-19-2010, 04:39 PM
Hmmm. How about 2001?

Eric Downing
Snoop Minnis
Monty Beisel
George Layne
Bill Baber
Derrick Blaylock
Stephen F. Austin
Alex Sulfsted
Shaunard Harts
Terdell Sands

FAX

Billay
10-19-2010, 04:39 PM
Wrong about what, you ****ing douchetard?

The 2009 Chiefs draft SUCKED. Are you trying to argue otherwise?

If so, LMAO.

I'm not but should we go down the list of names that you were throwing out in 2009? Jamon fucking meredith amongest others. You said the team was years from competing for the playoffs yet they are doing it this year why can't you man up and admit you are wrong for once? It's annoying.

Pestilence
10-19-2010, 04:39 PM
The run defense was good last week?

Way to judge everything off of one game. So I guess Matt Cassel is headed to the Hall of Fame as well.

SNR
10-19-2010, 04:40 PM
An official apology thread?He's talking to you too, Mr. Coattail rider

keg in kc
10-19-2010, 04:40 PM
Chiefs did what?

As for the '09 draft, I said it at the time: it's typical Chiefs luck that their highest pick in decades comes in the worst possible draft for it.

We can't even pick the right time to suck.

Hog Farmer
10-19-2010, 04:40 PM
Hmmm. How about 2001?

Eric Downing
Snoop Minnis
Monty Beisel
George Layne
Bill Baber
Derrick Blaylock
Stephen F. Austin
Alex Sulfsted
Shaunard Harts
Terdell Sands

FAX

Now THAT was a draft !

chiefzilla1501
10-19-2010, 04:40 PM
It's OK, because we're 3-2 right now.

Yeah, but we're a legit 3-2. There's no doubting we are a hell of a lot better of a football team. And that's considering we whiffed big time in personnel decisions in 2009.

I think that's a credit to (in order): 1) forcing a leadership culture; 2) terrific coaching hires; 3) a good 2010 personnel-wise. In 2010, we did a lot of things right. It's just a shame that 2009 leaves us a year or 2 behind where he could otherwsie be.

Billay
10-19-2010, 04:41 PM
Hootie says our run defense if solid, so I'm not worried.

ROFL

I'll wait til GoChiefs publishes another article about the defense before I make a judgement.

BigChiefFan
10-19-2010, 04:41 PM
Goddamit, that's outright ****ing false.

The mods need to sticky Bob Gretz article stating that Pioli used the New England scouting information, ONLY.

Furthermore, use your ****ing head: How could the Chiefs have such an amazing 2008 draft, only to shit themselves in 2009?

****, some of people need to keep the **** up.

LMAO. I think we can all agree the 2009 draft was bad, but I consider that an asterisk more than exemplyfying Pioli's career.

I take what Gretz says with a grain of salt, I think most can agree he's a Carl apologist and wouldn't surprise me in the least if he covered for Carl more than once.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:41 PM
It's OK, because we're 3-2 right now.

Unfortunately, this season is playing out exactly as some predicted.

The Chiefs would beat their lessor opponents but lose to the superior opponents. That will lead stupid, fucking, blowhard homers to believe the Chiefs are actually a legitimate playoff contender when in reality, it's due to better coordinators, maturing players and a supremely weak schedule.

The disappointing Chargers and 49ers make 8-8 or 9-7 even more likely than predicted in preseason.

Mecca
10-19-2010, 04:42 PM
Chiefs did what?

As for the '09 draft, I said it at the time: it's typical Chiefs luck that their highest pick in decades comes in the worst possible draft for it.

We can't even pick the right time to suck.

You can say that about every draft if you take the wrong guy, there are busts in the top 10 in every draft.

DeezNutz
10-19-2010, 04:42 PM
He's talking to you too, Mr. Coattail rider

Who is quoting whom here, brohaaf?!!/AKS

Fuck.

FAX
10-19-2010, 04:42 PM
Now THAT was a draft !

I'm sure there are some really good ones hidden somewhere in history, Mr. Hog Farmer. Carl was famous for his fabulous drafts. That guy could find a car salesman in a pile of pro-bowlers.

FAX

Billay
10-19-2010, 04:42 PM
Way to judge everything off of one game. So I guess Matt Cassel is headed to the Hall of Fame as well.

Pest its pretty obvious the 4th Qtr of the Colts game & last weeks Texans game has exposed the Chiefs run defense to a certain degree. Do you really think Eric Berry has played like a first round pick so far? I'm not saying he's a bust in 3 years he'll be a very good player but even without him this years draft class has been the difference.

DeezNutz
10-19-2010, 04:43 PM
Chiefs did what?

As for the '09 draft, I said it at the time: it's typical Chiefs luck that their highest pick in decades comes in the worst possible draft for it.

We can't even pick the right time to suck.

Agreed. We needed to hire Pioli in '10.

KC Tattoo
10-19-2010, 04:43 PM
Hmmm. How about 2001?

Eric Downing
Snoop Minnis
Monty Beisel
George Layne
Bill Baber
Derrick Blaylock
Stephen F. Austin
Alex Sulfsted
Shaunard Harts
Terdell Sands

FAX

Ya know Derrick Blaylock did score four touchdowns in the second half of a football game. He was also a good lead blocker on punt and kick off returns for Dante Hall. Personaly I thought it was a waist to let him go to the J e t s.

Mecca
10-19-2010, 04:43 PM
Yea the Texans exposed the Chiefs run defense by using Denvers zone blocking scheme that works against well everyone.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:44 PM
I'm not but should we go down the list of names that you were throwing out in 2009? Jamon fucking meredith amongest others. You said the team was years from competing for the playoffs yet they are doing it this year why can't you man up and admit you are wrong for once? It's annoying.

Hey dumbfuck, how can you compete for the playoffs after 5 games? The Chiefs combined record of the teams they beat is fucking 3-19.

Yeah, that's a playoff team.

LMAO

Let's see them beat a team with a winning record a few times before declaring them a playoff team.

chiefzilla1501
10-19-2010, 04:44 PM
Chiefs did what?

As for the '09 draft, I said it at the time: it's typical Chiefs luck that their highest pick in decades comes in the worst possible draft for it.

We can't even pick the right time to suck.

That's definitely one consideration. Dont' know if you saw this:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/091510dnspoinsidenfl.f2648c28.html
"The NFL has played only 17 games since conducting the 2009 draft and already a third of that class has been waived, traded or retired. Of the 257 selections in 2009, 85 are already off the rosters of the drafting teams – a stunning 33.1 percent.

The first three rounds are considered a draft’s premium rounds. Those are the picks each team uses to build the core of its starting lineup. All 100 players selected in those first three rounds of the 2009 draft held onto their roster spots last season.

But 12 of those players (four second-rounders and eight thirds) didn’t survive in 2010. Denver traded CB Alphonso Smith to Detroit, and Arizona (LB Cody) Brown), Cleveland (LB David Veikune), Miami (QB Pat White) all released second-rounders to account for those four departures."

Pretty incredible stuff.

FAX
10-19-2010, 04:44 PM
Yeah ... McMidget is lighting it up.

So far, the guy is one good return and a whole lot of hair.

FAX

FAX
10-19-2010, 04:45 PM
Ya know Derrick Blaylock did score four touchdowns in the second half of a football game. He was also a good lead blocker on punt and kick off returns for Dante Hall. Personaly I thought it was a waist to let him go to the J e t s.

True. When we canned him, Dante was never the same.

FAX

Billay
10-19-2010, 04:45 PM
Hey dumb****, how can you compete for the playoffs after 5 games? The Chiefs combined record of the teams they beat is ****ing 3-19.

Yeah, that's a playoff team.

LMAO

Let's see them beat a team with a winning record a few times before declaring them a playoff team.

Hey dipshit they're in first place with 3 easy games up that should put them at 6-2. You can't even admit you're wrong on a message board pathetic.

keg in kc
10-19-2010, 04:46 PM
Agreed. We needed to hire Pioli in '10.I think I'll take the '09 draft and the flurry of firings the next day over waiting another year to rebuild the scouting department. Unless you're wishing we'd drafted Derrick Morgan at 5 or something fun like that.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:47 PM
Hmmm. How about 2001?

Eric Downing
Snoop Minnis
Monty Beisel
George Layne
Bill Baber
Derrick Blaylock
Stephen F. Austin
Alex Sulfsted
Shaunard Harts
Terdell Sands

FAX

They traded the #12 overall pick for Trent Green and while I would have preferred they take Drew Brees in that spot, Green was productive for the better part of 5 seasons.

Dick Vermeil was traded for a second round pick.

Shaunard Harts played 5 years, Terdell Sands 8 years and Beisel 10 years.

Superstars? No.

Contributing players? Yes.

Billay
10-19-2010, 04:47 PM
Hey Dane have Dajuan Morgan and Bernard Pollard turned into pro bowl players yet? THIS GM DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO EVALUATE TALENT.

chiefzilla1501
10-19-2010, 04:48 PM
Yeah ... McMidget is lighting it up.

So far, the guy is one good return and a whole lot of hair.

FAX

Well, so far, he's on pace for over 400 all purpose yards, not counting the return game. For a second rounder, he's on par with what you'd expect. Especially for a run-heavy offense.

I still think he's had to deal with a ton of adversity that a lot of rookies don't. I don't think he's been great by any stretch, but definitely don't think he's been bad.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:48 PM
Hey dipshit they're in first place with 3 easy games up that should put them at 6-2. You can't even admit you're wrong on a message board pathetic.

What am I wrong about, Dumbfuck?

Which team with a winning record have the Chiefs beat this year?

How does the fact that the rest of the AFC West sucks ass make the Chiefs a legitimate playoff team?

FAX
10-19-2010, 04:49 PM
They traded the #12 overall pick for Trent Green and while I would have preferred they take Drew Brees in that spot, Green was productive for the better part of 5 seasons.

Dick Vermeil was traded for a second round pick.

Shaunard Harts played 5 years, Terdell Sands 8 years and Beisel 10 years.

Superstars? No.

Contributing players? Yes.

Ah ... so we're not just considering the "draft picks"? We're also talking about trades? That's a tad different. I mean, you kind of know what you're getting when you trade for Vermeil ... even Trent Green, to an extent.

FAX

keg in kc
10-19-2010, 04:49 PM
Let's see them beat a team with a winning record a few times before declaring them a playoff team.I wonder if they'll even face a team with a winning record before the playoffs. Titans, maybe? Seattle?

Detoxing
10-19-2010, 04:49 PM
That's definitely one consideration. Dont' know if you saw this:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/091510dnspoinsidenfl.f2648c28.html
"The NFL has played only 17 games since conducting the 2009 draft and already a third of that class has been waived, traded or retired. Of the 257 selections in 2009, 85 are already off the rosters of the drafting teams – a stunning 33.1 percent.

The first three rounds are considered a draft’s premium rounds. Those are the picks each team uses to build the core of its starting lineup. All 100 players selected in those first three rounds of the 2009 draft held onto their roster spots last season.

But 12 of those players (four second-rounders and eight thirds) didn’t survive in 2010. Denver traded CB Alphonso Smith to Detroit, and Arizona (LB Cody) Brown), Cleveland (LB David Veikune), Miami (QB Pat White) all released second-rounders to account for those four departures."

Pretty incredible stuff.

yeah. It was a shitty draft all the way around. It was one of the worst drafts seen in years.

It's funny when people say, "well we coulda had Mike Wallace in the 3rd rnd blah blah blah"-Well...if people knew Mike Wallace was has good as he is, he would've gone in the first. Once you get out of the first 2 rounds, it's really a crap shoot.

Mecca
10-19-2010, 04:49 PM
Well, so far, he's on pace for over 400 all purpose yards, not counting the return game. For a second rounder, he's on par with what you'd expect. Especially for a run-heavy offense.

I still think he's had to deal with a ton of adversity that a lot of rookies don't. I don't think he's been great by any stretch, but definitely don't think he's been bad.

He's not living up to the hype that was placed on him which before the season went to absurd levels.

SNR
10-19-2010, 04:49 PM
I think I'll take the '09 draft and the flurry of firings the next day over waiting another year to rebuild the scouting department. Unless you're wishing we'd drafted Derrick Morgan at 5 or something fun like that.Speaking of which, we now need to replace Alex Magee....

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:49 PM
Hey Dane have Dajuan Morgan and Bernard Pollard turned into pro bowl players yet? THIS GM DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO EVALUATE TALENT.

You're fucking stupid.

We're talking about players that contribute week in and week out. They don't need to be superstars.

In case you hadn't noticed Mr. Gunshow, winning NFL teams have players from each round as well as undrafted free agents up and down their rosters.

There are no teams with first round players exclusive to their roster.

Mecca
10-19-2010, 04:50 PM
yeah. It was a shitty draft all the way around. It was one of the worst drafts seen in years.

It's funny when people say, "well we coulda had Mike Wallace in the 3rd rnd blah blah blah"-Well...if people knew Mike Wallace was has good as he is, he would've gone in the first. Once you get out of the first 2 rounds, it's really a crap shoot.

Yea well there's a reason why the Steelers are consistently good. They're the team that gets a good player there while other teams bitch that the quality sucks.

FAX
10-19-2010, 04:50 PM
What am I wrong about, Dumb****?

Which team with a winning record have the Chiefs beat this year?

How does the fact that the rest of the AFC West sucks ass make the Chiefs a legitimate playoff team?

Yep.

That's the NFL, for you. Sometimes you're up and sometimes you're down. And sometimes you name your dog Dick and hope for the best.

FAX

DeezNutz
10-19-2010, 04:50 PM
He's not living up to the hype that was placed on him which before the season went to absurd levels.

In fairness, he blew out three pairs of shoes! Shoes!!

keg in kc
10-19-2010, 04:50 PM
Speaking of which, we now need to replace Alex Magee....They can probably just put a gatorade jug on the bench to cover his role. Maybe put a chiefs cap on it.

Billay
10-19-2010, 04:50 PM
What am I wrong about, Dumb****?

Which team with a winning record have the Chiefs beat this year?

How does the fact that the rest of the AFC West sucks ass make the Chiefs a legitimate playoff team?

You are wrong in the fact you said it would be 5 years before this team would compete for the playoffs.

I don't get the constant name calling though I find it funny. Thank you for taking the bait Dane I enjoy your posts.

Hog Farmer
10-19-2010, 04:51 PM
They traded the #12 overall pick for Trent Green and while I would have preferred they take Drew Brees in that spot, Green was productive for the better part of 5 seasons.

Dick Vermeil was traded for a second round pick.

Shaunard Harts played 5 years, Terdell Sands 8 years and Beisel 10 years.

Superstars? No.

Contributing players? Yes.

Damn, just think if we had Brees and just drafted Sanchez. We'd be.........

5-0

Mecca
10-19-2010, 04:51 PM
If you mean legit compete, they're still a ways from that. The Chiefs have improved to now they aren't a bottom feeder and beat bottom feeders, it's nice progress.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:51 PM
I take what Gretz says with a grain of salt, I think most can agree he's a Carl apologist and wouldn't surprise me in the least if he covered for Carl more than once.

That's just plain fucking stupid.

Furthermore, please explain how the Chiefs were able to mine talent like Dwayne Bowe, Tamba Hali, Bernard Pollage, Jared Page, Jamaal Charles, Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Brandon Albert, Glenn Dorsey and Barry Richardson, but shit the bed in 2009?

Occam's Razor.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:52 PM
You are wrong in the fact you said it would be 5 years before this team would compete for the playoffs.

I don't get the constant name calling though I find it funny. Thank you for taking the bait Dane I enjoy your posts.

Get back to me after the Chiefs make the playoffs.

Last time I checked, there are no playoff teams after Week 6 in the NFL.

Billay
10-19-2010, 04:52 PM
You're ****ing stupid.

We're talking about players that contribute week in and week out. They don't need to be superstars.

In case you hadn't noticed Mr. Gunshow, winning NFL teams have players from each round as well as undrafted free agents up and down their rosters.

There are no teams with first round players exclusive to their roster.

Yea the 2010 class hasn't contributed.

Ha Mr.Gunshow this is funny coming from the same guy who said it was fucked up that private pics were posted. Double talk Dane.

And for fucks sake Shanuard Harts was a joke if you count him as a guy who contributed then you can say the same about Donald Washington.

chiefzilla1501
10-19-2010, 04:53 PM
He's not living up to the hype that was placed on him which before the season went to absurd levels.

Well, there were a few people on this board (particularly the critics) that said if he doesn't get 800-1,000 all purpose yards, then he's a totally stupid pick.

So it's a mix of two things. People who hyped him up to be too much too soon, and others who put ridiculous expectations. Right now, he's a guy who's performing neither great nor bad. I don't think he's done anything to make people think highly or badly about him.

DeezNutz
10-19-2010, 04:53 PM
If you mean legit compete, they're still a ways from that. The Chiefs have improved to now they aren't a bottom feeder and beat bottom feeders, it's nice progress.

Not really. One year away from making a legit run, with a savvy off-season.

Detoxing
10-19-2010, 04:53 PM
Yea well there's a reason why the Steelers are consistently good. They're the team that gets a good player there while other teams bitch that the quality sucks.

The Steelers are the best franchise in pro sports. No team drafts as well as the Steelers. You could say the same shit about the other 31 teams as well.

You guys go back and pick out 2-3 players we could've had that panned out in the 3rd rnd but fail to mention the other 29 players that didn't work out yet.

It's a crap shoot

BigChiefFan
10-19-2010, 04:53 PM
Well, so far, he's on pace for over 400 all purpose yards, not counting the return game. For a second rounder, he's on par with what you'd expect. Especially for a run-heavy offense.

I still think he's had to deal with a ton of adversity that a lot of rookies don't. I don't think he's been great by any stretch, but definitely don't think he's been bad.

I actually think he's played well. I railed on the pick on draft day, because I think it's unwise to pick a slot receiver that early, but he's been a spark to the team and been a pleasant surprise to me-I really believed his small stature would have hampered his play, but he's playing great for a rookie.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:54 PM
Carl was famous for his fabulous drafts. That guy could find a car salesman in a pile of pro-bowlers.

FAX

LMAO

Chiefaholic
10-19-2010, 04:54 PM
It's always EASY to loom back after the fact and state how big of a F'ing mess your teams draft was. But, NEXT YEAR I want each of our draft guru's to say who they would pick in each round ON DRAFT DAY. If you don't pick better than Pioli, the SHUT THE F UP.

Mecca
10-19-2010, 04:54 PM
Not really. One year away from making a legit run, with a savvy off-season.

Getting a QB and a pass rusher in the same offseason won't be easy.

chiefzilla1501
10-19-2010, 04:55 PM
If you mean legit compete, they're still a ways from that. The Chiefs have improved to now they aren't a bottom feeder and beat bottom feeders, it's nice progress.

I think they've improved beyond just that. They played really tough against two very good teams on the road.

I think they've moved from bottom feeder to middle-of-the-road. Arguably fringe playoff team, and they did so in an uncapped year. It's definitely nice progress. But to the points made in this thread, the tough pill to swallow is that we could be legit playoff contenders if we hit on at least 2 picks in the 2009 draft, which isn't too much to ask for.

Billay
10-19-2010, 04:55 PM
Getting a QB and a pass rusher in the same offseason won't be easy.

I know this board is aginst trading for QB's but say Luck and MAllet aren't on the board. Would you package some picks and trade for Kolb?

DeezNutz
10-19-2010, 04:56 PM
Getting a QB and a pass rusher in the same offseason won't be easy.

Depending on who declares, you can get the QB in round 1. Plus, sign a vet. Should be able to get a pass rusher somewhere else. And, last I checked, the Chiefs are allowed to participate in FA, though all evidence is to the contrary.

Mecca
10-19-2010, 04:56 PM
It's always EASY to loom back after the fact and state how big of a F'ing mess your teams draft was. But, NEXT YEAR I want each of our draft guru's to say who they would pick in each round ON DRAFT DAY. If you don't pick better than Pioli, the SHUT THE F UP.

You should go look at the draft planet section and see who everyone uses their picks on in the CP mocks.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 04:56 PM
Yea the 2010 class hasn't contributed.

Ha Mr.Gunshow this is funny coming from the same guy who said it was fucked up that private pics were posted. Double talk Dane.

And for fucks sake Shanuard Harts was a joke if you count him as a guy who contributed then you can say the same about Donald Washington.

If Donald Washington makes it five years in the league, you'll have an argument. So far, it doesn't look like he'll make it out of this season.

Furthermore, I've already stated that the bar for a third round pick should be Asamoah/Moeaki type pick, so there goes THAT nonsense.

DeezNutz
10-19-2010, 04:57 PM
I know this board is aginst trading for QB's but say Luck and MAllet aren't on the board. Would you package some picks and trade for Kolb?

He's had a couple of impressive weeks. Before this, though, I thought he looked like ass. So in all honesty, I don't have a good read on this player at all.

Mecca
10-19-2010, 04:57 PM
I know this board is aginst trading for QB's but say Luck and MAllet aren't on the board. Would you package some picks and trade for Kolb?

What kinda picks...

-King-
10-19-2010, 04:57 PM
He's not living up to the hype that was placed on him which before the season went to absurd levels.

I know, right? With Matt Cassel at QB, I would have thought he'd have AT LEAST 500 yards by now.

Mecca
10-19-2010, 04:57 PM
He's had a couple of impressive weeks. Before this, though, I thought he looked like ass. So in all honesty, I don't have a good read on this player at all.

Kolb is fine if you can protect him, the Eagles shit line was killing him. I'd take him here the Chiefs would be much better.

Billay
10-19-2010, 04:58 PM
If Donald Washington makes it five years in the league, you'll have an argument. So far, it doesn't look like he'll make it out of this season.

Furthermore, I've already stated that the bar for a third round pick should be Asamoah/Moeaki type pick, so there goes THAT nonsense.

He's played 2 and already started a game I don't think Harts started in year 2 did he?

So did you get a time machine or some shit Dane? It hasn't been 5 years and the Chiefs are competing for the playoffs you wanna admit you were wrong and Pioli has the team ahead of schedule?

chiefzilla1501
10-19-2010, 04:58 PM
I actually think he's played well. I railed on the pick on draft day, because I think it's unwise to pick a slot receiver that early, but he's been a spark to the team and been a pleasant surprise to me-I really believed his small stature would have hampered his play, but he's playing great for a rookie.

There's actually some small things you can credit him for. For one, he is keeping defenses honest--for example, the way the 49ers overadjusted for him, which led to the trick play TD. You can also point to his big play ability as something that really wakes the crowd up. The crowd really loves him and I think that helps bring the Arrowhead crowd swagger back.

These aren't justifications for a 2nd round pick. He has to produce more consistently. But I think you do bring an interesting point up about how some players sometimes help in weird ways.

Billay
10-19-2010, 04:59 PM
What kinda picks...

I don't believe in giving up first round picks for other teams players. I don't know what Philly will ask for maybe a 2nd and 5th? With that first round pick you address the pass rush position or WR.

chiefzilla1501
10-19-2010, 04:59 PM
Depending on who declares, you can get the QB in round 1. Plus, sign a vet. Should be able to get a pass rusher somewhere else. And, last I checked, the Chiefs are allowed to participate in FA, though all evidence is to the contrary.

Agreed.

Draft a first round QB. Trade picks if you need to. And sign Shaun Hill.

Done.

Mecca
10-19-2010, 05:00 PM
The Chiefs are competing because of the development of the 2008 draft class more than anything, that's my thought anyway.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 05:00 PM
It's always EASY to loom back after the fact and state how big of a F'ing mess your teams draft was. But, NEXT YEAR I want each of our draft guru's to say who they would pick in each round ON DRAFT DAY. If you don't pick better than Pioli, the SHUT THE F UP.

Dude, many of us did that immediately after the 2009 draft. It's in the draft forum but from memory, my draft was as follows:

1. Mark Sanchez
2. Max Unger
3. Kraig Urbik
4. Louis Murphy
5. Cornelius Ingram

Sanchez, Unger & Murphy would have been starters. Ingram was coming off an ACL tear and Urbik is on his second team, having been released by Pittsburgh.

I'll take my draft over Pioli's in 2009.

chiefzilla1501
10-19-2010, 05:00 PM
I don't believe in giving up first round picks for other teams players. I don't know what Philly will ask for maybe a 2nd and 5th? With that first round pick you address the pass rush position or WR.

I believe in it if it means bringing a franchise QB in, especially one who's young and has a lot of gas left in the tank.

Billay
10-19-2010, 05:00 PM
He's had a couple of impressive weeks. Before this, though, I thought he looked like ass. So in all honesty, I don't have a good read on this player at all.

I'm not totally on the bandwagon either but to be fair last year he was good in the games he started and while he did play like shit this year vs the Redskins he still had that team in a position to win I forget who the WR was but Kolb threw a hail mary that hit right in the dudes hands.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 05:01 PM
He's played 2 and already started a game I don't think Harts started in year 2 did he?

So did you get a time machine or some shit Dane? It hasn't been 5 years and the Chiefs are competing for the playoffs you wanna admit you were wrong and Pioli has the team ahead of schedule?

I'm not going to admit anything until it actually happens.

keg in kc
10-19-2010, 05:01 PM
Kolb doesn't strike me as a solution.

Assuming we pick in the mid teens or low twenties, we should be able to find our Aaron Rodgers. The draft class is deep enough for somebody good to slide.

I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for a good pass rusher to be available in the mid second. Unfortunately, there's another major piece I think we need, and that's a wide receiver. I don't think we can get all three of those, even with a deep-looking receiver class. Unless we make some kind of draft day moves, likely the kind that sacrifices the 2012 draft for 2011 picks.

chiefzilla1501
10-19-2010, 05:02 PM
The Chiefs are competing because of the development of the 2008 draft class more than anything, that's my thought anyway.

I think character has a lot to do with it. Character and very good coaching.

For as much shit as the Chiefs got for the "right 53", the difference between KC and Dallas/Cincy is that the Chiefs have 53 mildly talented players who play like animals while the Cowboys/Bengals have supremely talented players who play sluggish.

DaKCMan AP
10-19-2010, 05:03 PM
ROFL @ people who get upset at something so trivial and that is, really, a sunk cost.

DeezNutz
10-19-2010, 05:03 PM
Kolb doesn't strike me as a solution.

Assuming we pick in the mid teens or low twenties, we should be able to find our Aaron Rodgers. The draft class is deep enough for somebody good to slide.

I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for a good pass rusher to be available in the mid second. Unfortunately, there's another major piece I think we need, and that's a wide receiver. I don't think we can get all three of those, even with a deep-looking receiver class. Unless we make some kind of draft day moves, likely the kind that sacrifices the 2012 draft for 2011 picks.

I would love to take one of the top WRs and then trade back into the first and snag a QB if one slides. For example, I'd gladly sacrifice our first in 2012 if Gabbert were to still be on the board.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 05:03 PM
He's played 2 and already started a game I don't think Harts started in year 2 did he?

Harts started 17 games, had 2 INT's, 166 tackles, 5 fumble recoveries and 1 TD.

Comparing him to Washington is tenuous at best.

http://www.nfl.com/players/shaunardharts/profile?id=HAR743558

Billay
10-19-2010, 05:04 PM
Harts started 17 games, had 2 INT's, 166 tackles, 5 fumble recoveries and 1 TD.

Comparing him to Washington is tenuous at best.

http://www.nfl.com/players/shaunardharts/profile?id=HAR743558

And he only played 4 years in the league as far as I know it wasn't because of injury.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 05:04 PM
Kolb doesn't strike me as a solution.

Assuming we pick in the mid teens or low twenties, we should be able to find our Aaron Rodgers. The draft class is deep enough for somebody good to slide.

I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for a good pass rusher to be available in the mid second. Unfortunately, there's another major piece I think we need, and that's a wide receiver. I don't think we can get all three of those, even with a deep-looking receiver class. Unless we make some kind of draft day moves, likely the kind that sacrifices the 2012 draft for 2011 picks.

Dude, Kolb's completion percentage has been over 70% in consecutive weeks. He's still very young and will most likely be a Franchise QB somewhere.

While I'd prefer that the Chiefs draft a Franchise QB, Kolb could step in and win 11 games this year for the Chiefs and at least one playoff game.

Mecca
10-19-2010, 05:05 PM
Of course he is throwing to one of the leagues best set of weapons so it might be a lot to think he could do that here.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 05:05 PM
And he only played 4 years in the league as far as I know it wasn't because of injury.

It was because of choice.

I knew his position coach at Boise State and he decided his heart wasn't in it anymore.

keg in kc
10-19-2010, 05:05 PM
The Chiefs are competing because of the development of the 2008 draft class more than anything, that's my thought anyway.Which is exactly what you would hope would happen. Unfortunately they won't get a boost from the 2009 class next year, unless Jackson really turns into a beast (which technically could happen) but the early peak for this year's class should come between 2011 and 2012.

That's when I think they really contend in the true championship sense, 2011. They may make the playoffs this year and they should make the playoffs next year, but the championship window doesn't open in my mind until the year after that.

And they seem to (somehow) be on pace for that despite last year's draft class. In no small part because they're managing to get some of Herm's picks to thrive in systems where most of us thought they'd fail.

the Talking Can
10-19-2010, 05:06 PM
wow



/repost

BigChiefFan
10-19-2010, 05:07 PM
There's actually some small things you can credit him for. For one, he is keeping defenses honest--for example, the way the 49ers overadjusted for him, which led to the trick play TD. You can also point to his big play ability as something that really wakes the crowd up. The crowd really loves him and I think that helps bring the Arrowhead crowd swagger back.

These aren't justifications for a 2nd round pick. He has to produce more consistently. But I think you do bring an interesting point up about how some players sometimes help in weird ways.Anytime coordinators have to game-plan for a specific player, they are making a strong contribution, even if they don't make a play because they free up others. He's also contributed in TWO PHASES of the game. Some are also forgetting that he's a rookie.

chiefzilla1501
10-19-2010, 05:08 PM
Getting a QB and a pass rusher in the same offseason won't be easy.

I don't agree that pass rusher is such a huge priority.

Jarrett Johnson and Anthony Spencer, for example, are anything but premiere pass rushers. When we're talking about 3-4 Sam Backers, they don't have to be pass rushing beasts.

I think we get a lot better pass rush when we get a consistent Nose presence and if Tyson Jackson can improve to where he's opening up gaps for the Sam Backer to run through. Most of Studebaker's preseason sacks were set up by Jackson driving blockers out of Stude's lanes.

keg in kc
10-19-2010, 05:09 PM
I just don't see it with Kolb. Although I didn't watch much of the game this week. But I'm assuming Andy Reid is still doing the WCO thing and he's throwing a lot of short stuff to Maclin and Jackson, and they're turning it into highlight plays. And concussions.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 05:09 PM
Anytime coordinators have to game-plan for a specific player, they are making a strong contribution, even if they don't make a play because they free up others. He's also contributed in TWO PHASES of the game. Some are also forgetting that he's a rookie.

Who are you talking about? McCluster? Where does he factor in this discussion?

chiefzilla1501
10-19-2010, 05:10 PM
Dude, Kolb's completion percentage has been over 70% in consecutive weeks. He's still very young and will most likely be a Franchise QB somewhere.

While I'd prefer that the Chiefs draft a Franchise QB, Kolb could step in and win 11 games this year for the Chiefs and at least one playoff game.

Not to mention that he's playing behind what I think might be one of the worst pass protecting lines in the league.

It's too bad the Chiefs didn't trade for Kolb. Kolb is a better fit for the Chiefs' system, I think, and Vick is a better fit for Philly's.

Mecca
10-19-2010, 05:11 PM
I just don't see it with Kolb. Although I didn't watch much of the game this week. But I'm assuming Andy Reid is still doing the WCO thing and he's throwing a lot of short stuff to Maclin and Jackson, and they're turning it into highlight plays. And concussions.

His 80 yard TD to Maclin was a deep ball...

Mecca
10-19-2010, 05:13 PM
Here's his pass to Maclin..

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BigMeatballDave
10-19-2010, 05:14 PM
I said it on draft day and there's been nothing to change my mind:

The 2009 Chiefs draft will go down as the worst in franchise history.

Bar none.I was looking back at the past 15 drafts. Wow, what garbage. Bowe is the only player left from the 2007 draft.

keg in kc
10-19-2010, 05:16 PM
Yeah, I actually remember that one from sportscenter.

Not to slight the guy, it's a good throw, but that's one I'd expect roughly 100% of NFL quarterbacks (including Cassel) to connect on. Playaction where the defense bit, receiver with a 5 yards of separation.

HemiEd
10-19-2010, 05:17 PM
If Donald Washington makes it five years in the league, you'll have an argument. So far, it doesn't look like he'll make it out of this season.

Furthermore, I've already stated that the bar for a third round pick should be Asamoah/Moeaki type pick, so there goes THAT nonsense.

A lot people on this board were pretty upset with using two picks to get Moeaki.

kcchiefsus
10-19-2010, 05:18 PM
Successful teams are built through the draft. Look at the guys I mentioned.

How nice would it be to have Mike Wallace opposite Bowe?

The Chiefs sucked at the draft from 2000-2009, which is why they sucked on the field and had only two winning seasons during that time.

Actually had 3 winning season, not that it really matters though.

2003, 2005, 2006

BigMeatballDave
10-19-2010, 05:20 PM
Goddamit, that's outright fucking false.

The mods need to sticky Bob Gretz article stating that Pioli used the New England scouting information, ONLY.

Furthermore, use your fucking head: How could the Chiefs have such an amazing 2008 draft, only to shit themselves in 2009?

FUCK, some of people need to keep the fuck up.06 and 07 wasnt much better.

BossChief
10-19-2010, 05:22 PM
A lot people on this board were pretty upset with using two picks to get Moeaki.

That's because a lot of people on this board talk out of their ass.

Coach
10-19-2010, 05:23 PM
Cool.

Hopefully now they can trade Cassel for a six pack of beer.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 05:27 PM
06 and 07 wasnt much better.

Bullshit.

The Chiefs weren't selecting #3 overall in each round. Furthermore, there are several productive players still contributing in the NFL to this day.

2006:
Hali
Pollard
Croyle
Leon Washington (chosen with the Chiefs 4th round pick)
Jared Page

2007:
Dwayne Bowe
Turk McBride
Tank Tyler
Kolby Smith (career shortened due to injury).

dirk digler
10-19-2010, 05:29 PM
Cool.

Hopefully now they can trade Cassel for a six pack of beer.

No kidding. So much for Pioli not able to admit mistakes. If they don't produce they are gone...I like it

keg in kc
10-19-2010, 05:30 PM
The '09 draft is going to go down as one of the historical worst, and not just for us. That was a pathetic class.

Still, sad that Jackson is the only guy left to really redeem it for us (and he isn't done yet, like him or not...).

Mecca
10-19-2010, 05:31 PM
No kidding. So much for Pioli not able to admit mistakes. If they don't produce they are gone...I like it

It's a little easier to part with a 3rd round mistake than something as high profile as a top 5 pick or a QB trade with a big contract. We'll see how those things play out...

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-19-2010, 05:33 PM
Yikes. What an awful draft.

My first though exactly. What a fucking waste.

R&GHomer
10-19-2010, 05:34 PM
That's just plain ****ing stupid.

Furthermore, please explain how the Chiefs were able to mine talent like Dwayne Bowe, Tamba Hali, Bernard Pollage, Jared Page, Jamaal Charles, Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Brandon Albert, Glenn Dorsey and Barry Richardson, but shit the bed in 2009?

Occam's Razor.

Mine Talent? I would like to know how many of these players you've lamb basted and called fugtard drafting decisions. Now based on hindsight you use them as a means to argue your point. I'm not saying the 09 draft didn't suck ass, but the fact you pretend to know what's going to happen a few years down the road is laughable. If you're right great, but if not, man up. Don't act like you have all the answers simply by changing your tune when it suites your case. Bad Form Man. Oh and what's with all the name calling?

Another thing. I still think Tyson Jackson is going to end up being a good, maybe even exceptional player. If I'm wrong, so be it.

LaChapelle
10-19-2010, 05:34 PM
This thread made Ryan Succup cry

milkman
10-19-2010, 05:36 PM
Yeah, I actually remember that one from sportscenter.

Not to slight the guy, it's a good throw, but that's one I'd expect roughly 100% of NFL quarterbacks (including Cassel) to connect on. Playaction where the defense bit, receiver with a 5 yards of separation.

Kolb has been been making throws downfield in these last two games with consistency.

milkman
10-19-2010, 05:37 PM
That's because a lot of people on this board talk out of their ass.

No.

It's because a lot of people thought that was a high price to pay for a kid that couldn't stay on the field.

You just got butt hurt cause he was your boy.

KCrockaholic
10-19-2010, 05:38 PM
It's a little easier to part with a 3rd round mistake than something as high profile as a top 5 pick or a QB trade with a big contract. We'll see how those things play out...

Aye, Aye. Jackson looked pretty good against SD. It was still a mistake drafting him to begin with, but like all D-lineman, he needs at least 2 years to fully develop. If he can come back and play to the level he did against SD, that would certainly be nice. But, it was still a fuck up by Pioli. He's just lucky the 2010 class was a big time hit.

chiefzilla1501
10-19-2010, 05:38 PM
Mine Talent? I would like to know how many of these players you've lamb basted and called fugtard drafting decisions. Now based on hindsight you use them as a means to argue your point. I'm not saying the 09 draft didn't suck ass, but the fact you pretend to know what's going to happen a few years down the road is laughable. If you're right great, but if not, man up. Don't act like you have all the answers simply by changing your tune when it suites your case. Bad Form Man. Oh and what's with all the name calling?

Another thing. I still think Tyson Jackson is going to end up being a good, maybe even exceptional player. If I'm wrong, so be it.

I think Tyson Jackson will be a lot better than a lot of people on the board give him credit for, based on what I saw in the preseason and game 1. I don't think he's ever going to be close to exceptional. I think he has the upside to be worth a low first rounder in the 20's. That's not a bad pick to have, but it would be a tremendous reach.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2010, 05:40 PM
Mine Talent? I would like to know how many of these players you've lamb basted and called fugtard drafting decisions. Now based on hindsight you use them as a means to argue your point.

Hey, what the FUCK are you talking about? I stated on draft day 2009 that this would be the WORST DRAFT IN FRANCHISE HISTORY.

I don't know who the fuck you are but learn how to use the search function, Dumbfuck.

I'm not saying the 09 draft didn't suck ass, but the fact you pretend to know what's going to happen a few years down the road is laughable.

Laughable? Who the FUCK are you?

Are you going to convince us that Washington and O'Connell are going to turn into serviceable players, somehow salvaging a shit draft where they picked #3 overall in each round?

If you're right great, but if not, man up. Don't act like you have all the answers simply by changing your tune when it suites your case. Bad Form Man. Oh and what's with all the name calling?


Go FUCK yourself.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-19-2010, 05:40 PM
Pioli is too proud to admit 63 million dollar mistakes.

Would Pioli really admit a 63 million dollar mistake?

Now you're cooking with flame.

1 3(3) Tyson Jackson
3 3(67) Alex Magee------------Traded
4 2(102) Donald Washington-----Roster (Converted to Backup SS)
5 3(139) Colin Brown------------Cut
6 2(175) Quinten Lawrence ------Practice Squad
7 3(212) Javarris Williams--------Cut
7 28(237) Jake O'Connell----------Roster (Basically Inactive)

:Lin:

ROFL Pitiful.

dirk digler
10-19-2010, 05:41 PM
It's a little easier to part with a 3rd round mistake than something as high profile as a top 5 pick or a QB trade with a big contract. We'll see how those things play out...

I agree but I think Pioli will have no problem cutting bait with Cassel or any player for that matter.

FAX
10-19-2010, 05:43 PM
I just want to say something here ...

Okay ... I'm ready ...

I like Bob Gretz. He asks the best questions in the press conferences, in my view, and it appears that he possesses a significant amount of football knowledge. He certainly does a lot of research. However, when he was an employee of the Chiefs, he was a 24 carat Super-Homer. He defended Carl and every single stupid-ass decision that Carl ever made, I think.

So, I'm not sure I would completely trust his opinion when it comes to how Herm's drafts went down and how or why Pioli did what he did during his first off-season with the Chiefs ... not that I don't think Gretz has something to offer ... it's just that he has demonstrated the ability to fight for an agenda in the face of and despite proven truth.

FAX

keg in kc
10-19-2010, 05:46 PM
I agree but I think Pioli will have no problem cutting bait with Cassel or any player for that matter.I would say you are correct. There seems to be more evidence of that at this point than there is evidence that he has some kind of mental disorder that would require him to keep failing players around as some kind of evidence that he's a genious.

milkman
10-19-2010, 05:48 PM
Hey, what the **** are you talking about? I stated on draft day 2009 that this would be the WORST DRAFT IN FRANCHISE HISTORY.

I don't know who the **** you are but learn how to use the search function, Dumb****.

Not to shit on your fucking parade, but read the stickie at the top of the forum.

R&GHomer
10-19-2010, 05:48 PM
Hey, what the **** are you talking about? I stated on draft day 2009 that this would be the WORST DRAFT IN FRANCHISE HISTORY.

I don't know who the **** you are but learn how to use the search function, Dumb****.



Laughable? Who the **** are you?

Are you going to convince us that Washington and O'Connell are going to turn into serviceable players, somehow salvaging a shit draft where they picked #3 overall in each round?



Go **** yourself.

ROFL thanks for making my point. I think someone needs a time out :D

Delano
10-19-2010, 05:48 PM
Mine Talent? I would like to know how many of these players you've lamb basted and called fugtard drafting decisions. Now based on hindsight you use them as a means to argue your point. I'm not saying the 09 draft didn't suck ass, but the fact you pretend to know what's going to happen a few years down the road is laughable. If you're right great, but if not, man up. Don't act like you have all the answers simply by changing your tune when it suites your case. Bad Form Man. Oh and what's with all the name calling?

Another thing. I still think Tyson Jackson is going to end up being a good, maybe even exceptional player. If I'm wrong, so be it.

Basted lamb is my favorite lamb.
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milkman
10-19-2010, 05:50 PM
ROFL thanks for making my point. I think someone needs a time out :D

How'd he make your point for you?

FAX
10-19-2010, 05:52 PM
The thing is that lamb bastards are the absolute worst lambs of all. They steal your beer then try to screw your girl after playing that whole, "Ooh, look at the cute little lamb ..." crap. If you run across a lamb bastard, your best course of action is to take the initiative and whack that lamb up-side the noggin with your boom box and change the locks on your house.

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keg in kc
10-19-2010, 05:54 PM
Remember that time you ate lamb chips thinking they were lamb nuggets? And then later in the meal wondering how oysters could grow in the mountains?