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Dartgod
11-03-2010, 05:07 PM
YPC is not a great way to evaluate runningbacks, especially Change of Pace guys like Charles who are too fragile and scared to take the bulk of the carries.
Yes, McFadden is much better in this respect. Last years stats confirm it:

J. Charles:
Games played 15, Games started 10, 190 Attempts for 1120 yds, 7 TD

D. McFadden:
Games played 12, Games started 7, 104 Attempts for 357 yds, 1 TD


Oh, wait...

Championship
11-03-2010, 05:08 PM
Chief fans keep bringing up what Charles did last year. That was last year.

Todd Haley obviously knew that Charles wasn't going to be able to carry the load all by his fragile self, that's why he brought in Thomas Jones to be the rock.

Just face it, Chief fans. Jamaal Charles is a nice little player. But until he can prove he can be the man and carry the load CONSISTENTLY, not for one half of a season, then he will never be regarded as an upper echelon runningback, with guys like Peterson, Chris Johnson and McFadden.

That's just the truth. Deal with it.

RustShack
11-03-2010, 05:10 PM
Wait wait.

McFadden, 10.9 yards per reception. OK he has Charles beat...

Wait no he doesn't!

Charles 11.9 yards per reception!

ROFL

Is McFadden better at anything other than needing more touches to equal production?

RustShack
11-03-2010, 05:12 PM
Chief fans keep bringing up what Charles did last year. That was last year.

Actually having the same amount of yards on about 20 fewer carries is happening currently this year as we speak. Dumbass.

Championship
11-03-2010, 05:12 PM
You do realize Charles is running the ball at 6.5 YPC??

If you really want him to get 25 carries a game over 16 games then he absolutely crushes the single season rushing record. Destroys it.

2,600 yards rushing.

Is that what you want to see Raiders fan?

LOL

If Jamaal Charles were to get 300 carries in a season, first of all I'd be surprised that his bitch ass didn't get hurt. Secondly, his YPC would be way down. I'm thinking around 4.4 or something in that area.

You see, Charles has never had to be the man for a whole season where defenses have to focus in on him and gameplan around stopping him.

Even in college, I don't think Charles was a legit #1 RB. He was never a lead back.

Some guys are leaders and some guys are followers. Guess which one Charles is....

Championship
11-03-2010, 05:14 PM
Wait wait.

McFadden, 10.9 yards per reception. OK he has Charles beat...

Wait no he doesn't!

Charles 11.9 yards per reception!

ROFL

Is McFadden better at anything other than needing more touches to equal production?

McFadden 6 Touchdowns

Charles 2 Touchdowns.

Some guys just know how to score and others don't.

RustShack
11-03-2010, 05:15 PM
You're right, Charles lines up behind the QB so you could say he follows. He also follows his blockers like a competent RB would. But then again, lots of defenders follow him after he busts through the hole because no one can catch him. So I would say hes both a follower and a leader?

But in reality, its pretty sad if your RB is your leader and not your QB.

Bane
11-03-2010, 05:15 PM
Is McFadden better at anything other than needing more touches to equal production?

He's much better at being a disgrace to the name Run DMC.

Pablo
11-03-2010, 05:16 PM
LOL

If Jamaal Charles were to get 300 carries in a season, first of all I'd be surprised that his bitch ass didn't get hurt. Secondly, his YPC would be way down. I'm thinking around 4.4 or something in that area.

You see, Charles has never had to be the man for a whole season where defenses have to focus in on him and gameplan around stopping him.

Even in college, I don't think Charles was a legit #1 RB. He was never a lead back.

Some guys are leaders and some guys are followers. Guess which one Charles is....You're trolling pretty hard, but I'm through getting sucked in.

There's no possible way you can believe the arguments you're putting forward; but if you do you need a frontal lobotomy.

Simply Red
11-03-2010, 05:16 PM
Some guys are leaders and some guys are followers. Guess who Charles is....

Scott Baio?

Bane
11-03-2010, 05:16 PM
McFadden 6 Touchdowns

Charles 2 Touchdowns.

Some guys just know how to score and others don't.

Run McBust will be out by the 3rd quarter with a busted vagina.

RustShack
11-03-2010, 05:18 PM
McFadden 6 Touchdowns

Charles 2 Touchdowns.

Some guys just know how to score and others don't.

Charles has more wins, I guess some guys know how to win and other don't.

Simply Red
11-03-2010, 05:18 PM
He's much better at being a disgrace to the name Run DMC.

nice play.

Fish
11-03-2010, 05:19 PM
I know. But now he's playing better than he ever was in New England.

He is to Defensive tackles what Nnamdi is to Cornerbacks. All alone at the top.

Best trade the Raiders have made in years. Easily worth the 32nd overall pick we will give to the Patriots.

I think this is a dupe that's pulling our strings.

No way this is legit.

SNR
11-03-2010, 05:20 PM
McFadden 6 Touchdowns

Charles 2 Touchdowns.

Some guys just know how to score and others don't.You lost the argument and now you're acting like the argument was all about TDs all along

Hilarious.

KCHawg
11-03-2010, 05:25 PM
I know. But now he's playing better than he ever was in New England.

He is to Defensive tackles what Nnamdi is to Cornerbacks. All alone at the top.

Best trade the Raiders have made in years. Easily worth the 32nd overall pick we will give to the Patriots.

What are you guys trying to be? New England west?

:D

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-03-2010, 05:27 PM
I know. But now he's playing better than he ever was in New England.

He is to Defensive tackles what Nnamdi is to Cornerbacks. All alone at the top.

Best trade the Raiders have made in years. Easily worth the 32nd overall pick we will give to the Patriots.

So...he's lost his burst and no one outside of the fanbase ever talks about him? Got it.

KCHawg
11-03-2010, 05:27 PM
LOL

If Jamaal Charles were to get 300 carries in a season, first of all I'd be surprised that his bitch ass didn't get hurt. Secondly, his YPC would be way down. I'm thinking around 4.4 or something in that area.

You see, Charles has never had to be the man for a whole season where defenses have to focus in on him and gameplan around stopping him.

Even in college, I don't think Charles was a legit #1 RB. He was never a lead back.

Some guys are leaders and some guys are followers. Guess which one Charles is....


The one with 2 less yards on 19 fewer carries? :doh!:

RustShack
11-03-2010, 05:33 PM
Or QB has more TD's, so our passing attack is obviously better than yours!

ROFL

Pablo
11-03-2010, 05:35 PM
Or QB has more TD's, so our passing attack is obviously better than yours!

ROFLDude, they got DHB and Louis Murphy. If those names don't make you drop a snickers in your briefs then nothing will.

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-03-2010, 05:36 PM
Dude, they got DHB and Louis Murphy. If those names don't make you drop a snickers in your briefs then nothing will.

ROFL

RustShack
11-03-2010, 05:38 PM
Dude, they got DHB and Louis Murphy. If those names don't make you drop a snickers in your briefs then nothing will.

Who?

Championship
11-03-2010, 05:40 PM
Im out Chief fans.

Hopefully my postings have educated you guys today.

Next lesson will be tomorrow.

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-03-2010, 05:40 PM
"The Oakland Pantloads"

Has a helluva' ring to it, don't you think?

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-03-2010, 05:41 PM
Im out Chief fans.

Hopefully my postings have educated you guys today.

Next lesson will be tomorrow.
They sure have. I learned that fans of the Oakland Pantloads make Denver fans seem intelligent by comparison.

Brock
11-03-2010, 05:44 PM
Best trade the Raiders have made in years. Easily worth the 32nd overall pick we will give to the Patriots.

:spock:ROFL

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-03-2010, 05:47 PM
:spock:ROFL

Considering most of the shit they dredge off the draft board, it probably WAS worth the 32nd by comparison.

SnakeXJones
11-03-2010, 05:50 PM
Some guys are leaders and some guys are followers. Guess which one Charles is.... Knowmo? is that you?

Mr. Laz
11-03-2010, 06:19 PM
Interesting, good find....he didn't find it ... he just skipped a link.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/11/3/1791403/good-ground-game-is-key-but-numbers-can-lie

Count Zarth
11-03-2010, 06:22 PM
Charles is going to run by Rolando McClain like he's standing in mud with bricks on his feet about 10 times this game.

That should be fun.

TheGuardian
11-03-2010, 06:38 PM
Chief fans keep bringing up what Charles did last year. That was last year.

Todd Haley obviously knew that Charles wasn't going to be able to carry the load all by his fragile self, that's why he brought in Thomas Jones to be the rock.

Just face it, Chief fans. Jamaal Charles is a nice little player. But until he can prove he can be the man and carry the load CONSISTENTLY, not for one half of a season, then he will never be regarded as an upper echelon runningback, with guys like Peterson, Chris Johnson and McFadden.

That's just the truth. Deal with it.

If Charles is fragile then why hasn't he missed a game this year while McFadden has missed two you stupid fvck?

Marcellus
11-03-2010, 06:47 PM
Chief fans keep bringing up what Charles did last year. That was last year.

Todd Haley obviously knew that Charles wasn't going to be able to carry the load all by his fragile self, that's why he brought in Thomas Jones to be the rock.

Just face it, Chief fans. Jamaal Charles is a nice little player. But until he can prove he can be the man and carry the load CONSISTENTLY, not for one half of a season, then he will never be regarded as an upper echelon runningback, with guys like Peterson, Chris Johnson and McFadden.

That's just the truth. Deal with it.

LMAO

Both drafted in 2003

Charles =360 carries 2,140 yards rushing 83 receptions 760 yards 11 Total TD's.

D.McF*** = 339 carries 1,524 yards rushing 70 receptions 740 yards 11 total TD's.

Nope Charles will never compare.LMAO

Count Zarth
11-03-2010, 06:49 PM
It would be poetic justice if Charles went off for 200 yards against the soft Raiders' run defense while McFadden broke something again.

Count Zarth would be laughing his motherfucking ass off.

I hope we win...I'm gonna come back here and compile the best Raider trash talk for use in a video.

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-03-2010, 06:51 PM
It would be poetic justice if Charles went off for 200 yards against the soft Raiders' run defense while McFadden broke something again.

Count Zarth would be laughing his motherfucking ass off.

I hope we win...I'm gonna come back here and compile the best Raider trash talk for use in a video.

Dude, that fucking avatar cracks me up.

Reerun_KC
11-03-2010, 07:08 PM
LMAO

Both drafted in 2003

Charles =360 carries 2,140 yards rushing 83 receptions 760 yards 11 Total TD's.

D.McF*** = 339 carries 1,524 yards rushing 70 receptions 740 yards 11 total TD's.

Nope Charles will never compare.LMAO

Ouch that is going to leave a mark....

Shogun
11-03-2010, 07:12 PM
Dude, that ****ing avatar cracks me up.

It really screams "HERP DERP"

Mr. Arrowhead
11-03-2010, 07:16 PM
hell charles almost had as many yards alone last year as Mcfaggot has his entire career.

thurman merman
11-03-2010, 09:03 PM
The Raiders just dismantled a Seahawk team that is way better than the Chiefs.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

thurman merman
11-03-2010, 09:06 PM
Yeah, how dare we think that a defense allowing 17.4 ppg is even close to a defense giving up 21.8 ppg.

Stupid us...

ROFL

thurman merman
11-03-2010, 09:16 PM
Zach Miller happens to be top 5 at his position.

Jamaal Charles? He's barely top 15, and not even the best runningback in the AFC West.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

thurman merman
11-03-2010, 09:21 PM
And spare with the YPC crap. Charles has a high YPC because he comes in after Jones has wore down the defense. If he weren't such a pussy and actually became an actual everydown back, his YPC would be like 4.5 at best.

How about when he got 5.9 YPC last year before Thomas Jones was even on the team?

thurman merman
11-03-2010, 09:23 PM
Thomas Jones elite my ass.

Dude is solid, but elite? LOL. There is a reason why nobody wanted to sign him. He's damaged goods. Take away his 70 yard run against the Jaguars, and he's averaging right around 4.0 yards per carry.

He's not elite. In fact, Michael Bush is way better than Thomas Jones.

Why the **** would you take away a 70 yard run when it actually happened? It was real life, buddy. You can't take it away.

TheGuardian
11-03-2010, 09:24 PM
Jamaal Charles? He's barely top 15, and not even the best runningback in the AFC West.

GOD DAMN! Someone just took over the galactically stupid mother ship and is veering it right into planet moron!

thurman merman
11-03-2010, 09:24 PM
Because we have this thing called a competent passing game.


ROFLROFLROFL

Are you talking about the competent passing game in which the coach can't decide who the starting QB should be from week to week because they both suck so much?

TheGuardian
11-03-2010, 09:24 PM
Why the **** would you take away a 70 yard run when it actually happened? It was real life, buddy. You can't take it away.

If you take away McFaggtots longest run against the seachickens what does his day look like..................do tell............

Smed1065
11-03-2010, 09:30 PM
If you take away McFaggtots longest run against the seachickens what does his day look like..................do tell............

20 attempts
62 Yards

RustShack
11-03-2010, 09:30 PM
Charles has 2 fewer yards than McFadden on 19 fewer carries.

thurman merman
11-03-2010, 09:31 PM
Yes, McFadden is much better in this respect. Last years stats confirm it:

J. Charles:
Games played 15, Games started 10, 190 Attempts for 1120 yds, 7 TD

D. McFadden:
Games played 12, Games started 7, 104 Attempts for 357 yds, 1 TD


Oh, wait...

ROFLROFLROFLROFL

thurman merman
11-03-2010, 09:31 PM
Chief fans keep bringing up what Charles did last year. That was last year.

Todd Haley obviously knew that Charles wasn't going to be able to carry the load all by his fragile self, that's why he brought in Thomas Jones to be the rock.

Just face it, Chief fans. Jamaal Charles is a nice little player. But until he can prove he can be the man and carry the load CONSISTENTLY, not for one half of a season, then he will never be regarded as an upper echelon runningback, with guys like Peterson, Chris Johnson and McFadden.

That's just the truth. Deal with it.

Yes, McFadden has been unbelievably consistent over the course of his amazing career.

TheGuardian
11-03-2010, 09:32 PM
Charles has 2 fewer yards than McFadden on 19 fewer carries.

The hell you say.............

TheGuardian
11-03-2010, 09:33 PM
Yes, McFadden has been unbelievably consistent over the course of his amazing career.

Wait when did McFadden become one of the top backs in the league? Did I go into a mother fucking coma and wake up in 2015 and McFadden managed to keep his vag from getting all bruised up and ran for some meaningful yards?

Or was it another....

20 attempts
62 Yards

With a long run in garbage time thrown in type season?

thurman merman
11-03-2010, 09:33 PM
LOL

If Jamaal Charles were to get 300 carries in a season, first of all I'd be surprised that his bitch ass didn't get hurt. Secondly, his YPC would be way down. I'm thinking around 4.4 or something in that area.

You see, Charles has never had to be the man for a whole season where defenses have to focus in on him and gameplan around stopping him.

Even in college, I don't think Charles was a legit #1 RB. He was never a lead back.

Some guys are leaders and some guys are followers. Guess which one Charles is....

Holy goat ass, you are stupid.

A) McFadden gets hurt more than Charles does, so I'm not sure why you are whining about Charles' "bitch ass" getting hurt.

B) You don't think defenses gameplan for Jamaal Charles? Are they busy focusing on the unstoppable Matt Cassel?

TheGuardian
11-03-2010, 09:39 PM
Can someone please tell me when Darren McFadden made it through a whole 16 game season without needing vagisil please? I keep looking at his stats but I can't find it. All I see is shit like

"McFadden out, was tended to by the team doctors and rubbed down with Gyne-Lotrimin to stop the throbbing of his massive va-jay-jay".

"McFadden out with bruised pussy lips"

"McFadden injured on the sidelines whilst drinking gatorade. Contracted a urinary tract infection and also had to be rushed into emergency labia surgery."

"McFadden injured while taking the handoff as FatMarcus Fatrussell stuck the ball too hard near his vulva. He is expected to miss several weeks."

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-03-2010, 09:42 PM
Can someone please tell me when Darren McFadden made it through a whole 16 game season without needing vagisil please? I keep looking at his stats but I can't find it. All I see is shit like

"McFadden out, was tended to by the team doctors and rubbed down with Gyne-Lotrimin to stop the throbbing of his massive va-jay-jay".

"McFadden out with bruised pussy lips"

"McFadden injured on the sidelines whilst drinking gatorade. Contracted a urinary tract infection and also had to be rushed into emergency labia surgery."

"McFadden injured while taking the handoff as FatMarcus Fatrussell stuck the ball too hard near his vulva. He is expected to miss several weeks."

ROFL

Shogun
11-03-2010, 09:45 PM
A boy with diarrhea tells his mom, "I need Viagra." mom says, "why do u need that for?" boy says, " isn't that what u give dad to make his shit hard?

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-03-2010, 09:49 PM
A boy with diarrhea tells his mom, "I need Viagra." mom says, "why do u need that for?" boy says, " isn't that what u give dad to make his shit hard?

LMAO

TheGuardian
11-03-2010, 09:57 PM
A boy with diarrhea tells his mom, "I need Viagra." mom says, "why do u need that for?" boy says, " isn't that what u give dad to make his shit hard?

F'n nice...........

thurman merman
11-04-2010, 11:27 AM
Can someone please tell me when Darren McFadden made it through a whole 16 game season without needing vagisil please? I keep looking at his stats but I can't find it.



But Jamaal Charles is the one who is a "bitch ass" who can't be a full time running back.

JTagg7754
11-08-2010, 11:36 AM
I'll bet all my casino cash on these cocksuckers not coming back to CP once we skullfuck Oakland. Any takers?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

MODs, take this guy's casino cash away. I said I'd bet him.

Champ
11-08-2010, 11:48 AM
"The Raiders running game is overrated, Ours is legit"

LMF'NAOOOOOOOO

Couldn't have been anymore wrong.

McFadden went to work.

Jamaal Charles and Thomas Jones got exposed.

patteeu
11-08-2010, 12:00 PM
"The Raiders running game is overrated, Ours is legit"

LMF'NAOOOOOOOO

Couldn't have been anymore wrong.

McFadden went to work.

Jamaal Charles and Thomas Jones got exposed.

McFadden didn't even break 100 yards nor did he have as many yards per carry as Charles. The Raiders did a good job of limiting the damage from the Chiefs running game, but McFadden didn't do anything worth writing home about.

Champ
11-08-2010, 01:30 PM
McFadden didn't even break 100 yards nor did he have as many yards per carry as Charles. The Raiders did a good job of limiting the damage from the Chiefs running game, but McFadden didn't do anything worth writing home about.

McFadden went over 100 all purpose yards. Fact.

Jamaal Charles can have the gaudy Yards Per Carry stats if he wants to, bottom line is that he is not an every down back, and it's clear your coaches feel the same way, too. McFadden was grinding, fighting for the tough yards. Charles was on the sideline watching Thomas Jones get stuffed.

McFadden is way better than Charles. Truth hurts.

dirk digler
11-08-2010, 01:36 PM
McFadden went over 100 all purpose yards. Fact.

Jamaal Charles can have the gaudy Yards Per Carry stats if he wants to, bottom line is that he is not an every down back, and it's clear your coaches feel the same way, too. McFadden was grinding, fighting for the tough yards. Charles was on the sideline watching Thomas Jones get stuffed.

McFadden is way better than Charles. Truth hurts.

Wow he had a whopping 14 more yards in all purpose yards.

Charles - 53 rushing 47 receiving = 100
McFadden - 89 rushing 25 receiving - 114

He did all that with 6 more touches than Charles. Congrats.

Deberg_1990
11-08-2010, 04:03 PM
McFadden went over 100 all purpose yards. Fact.

Jamaal Charles can have the gaudy Yards Per Carry stats if he wants to, bottom line is that he is not an every down back, and it's clear your coaches feel the same way, too. McFadden was grinding, fighting for the tough yards. Charles was on the sideline watching Thomas Jones get stuffed.

McFadden is way better than Charles. Truth hurts.

It only took McFadden 3 years to live up to being the #4 pick in the draft. Congrats.

Champ
11-08-2010, 04:08 PM
Wow he had a whopping 14 more yards in all purpose yards.

Charles - 53 rushing 47 receiving = 100
McFadden - 89 rushing 25 receiving - 114

He did all that with 6 more touches than Charles. Congrats.

And that is really what it all comes down to. McFadden was in the game at all times. He got more touches and had a greater impact on the game for the Raiders than Jamaal did for the Chiefs.

And also, McFadden got his yards against the supposed 'top ten rushing defense' of the Kansas City Chiefs. Jamaal Charles only got 53 rushing yards against a run defense that was ranked 26th in the league coming into the game.

You tell me which was more impressive...Matter of fact, don't. I know you're a homer.

Nice avatar, though.

Priest31kc
11-08-2010, 05:33 PM
McFadden went over 100 all purpose yards. Fact.

Jamaal Charles can have the gaudy Yards Per Carry stats if he wants to, bottom line is that he is not an every down back, and it's clear your coaches feel the same way, too. McFadden was grinding, fighting for the tough yards. Charles was on the sideline watching Thomas Jones get stuffed.

McFadden is way better than Charles. Truth hurts.

ROFL

TheGuardian
11-08-2010, 05:35 PM
And that is really what it all comes down to. McFadden was in the game at all times. He got more touches and had a greater impact on the game for the Raiders than Jamaal did for the Chiefs.

And also, McFadden got his yards against the supposed 'top ten rushing defense' of the Kansas City Chiefs. Jamaal Charles only got 53 rushing yards against a run defense that was ranked 26th in the league coming into the game.

You tell me which was more impressive...Matter of fact, don't. I know you're a homer.

Nice avatar, though.

McFaggot had the 1 good run. Outside of that he got his shit pushed in all day.

Blick
11-08-2010, 05:40 PM
McFaggot had the 1 good run. Outside of that he got his shit pushed in all day.

There was that catch and run where he trucked the shit out of McGraw...

MeatRock
11-08-2010, 05:42 PM
"The Raiders running game is overrated, Ours is legit"

LMF'NAOOOOOOOO

Couldn't have been anymore wrong.

McFadden went to work.

Jamaal Charles and Thomas Jones got exposed.

LMAO McFaken got shut down as well dumbass. 17 carries 89 yards 0 td's. And most of his yards were on one long run when the defense missed their gaps.

Don't even say he was awesome in receiving that game either cause he had 25 yards. So please STFU with this McFaken went to work shit your embarrassing yourself.

DBOSHO
11-08-2010, 05:45 PM
And that is really what it all comes down to. McFadden was in the game at all times. He got more touches and had a greater impact on the game for the Raiders than Jamaal did for the Chiefs.

And also, McFadden got his yards against the supposed 'top ten rushing defense' of the Kansas City Chiefs. Jamaal Charles only got 53 rushing yards against a run defense that was ranked 26th in the league coming into the game.

You tell me which was more impressive...Matter of fact, don't. I know you're a homer.

Nice avatar, though.

So if he only got 1 carry for 53 yards youd tell me he only got 53 yards?

Jamaal made more out of his touches than mcfadden. The stats dont lie. Its just a shame charlie weis values jones over him because hes a "leader"

TheGuardian
11-08-2010, 05:45 PM
There was that catch and run where he trucked the shit out of McGraw...

I'm talking about the ground game. McFadden had 1 run all day. Outside of that he was eating facemasks all day like the bitch that he is.

Ugly Duck
11-08-2010, 06:04 PM
NFL Rushing Leaders

Attempts & Yards per Game
#1 Darren McFadden___ 19.9 for 108.1 (5.4 avg)
#6 Jamaal Charles_____ 14.1 for 89.9 (6.4 avg)
#17 Thomas Jones____ 17.1 for 71.2 (4.2 avg)
#26 Knowshon Moreno_ 15.2 for 50.4 (3.3 avg)
#32 Ryan Matthews___ 10.9 for 47.8 (4.1 avg)
#34 Michael Bush_____ 12.1 for 46.3 (3.8 avg)

petegz28
11-08-2010, 06:20 PM
NFL Rushing Leaders

Attempts & Yards per Game
#1 Darren McFadden___ 19.9 for 108.1 (5.4 avg)
#6 Jamaal Charles_____ 14.1 for 89.9 (6.4 avg)
#17 Thomas Jones____ 17.1 for 71.2 (4.2 avg)
#26 Knowshon Moreno_ 15.2 for 50.4 (3.3 avg)
#32 Ryan Matthews___ 10.9 for 47.8 (4.1 avg)
#34 Michael Bush_____ 12.1 for 46.3 (3.8 avg)

So what you're saying is McFadden needs 5 carries more per game than Charles to outrush him and still can't get as many YPC???? :shrug:

MeatRock
11-08-2010, 06:24 PM
That tells me nothing. If your trying to say McFadden is the better runner then please compare carries. He has more yards due to the simple fact Carthon seems to favor Jones over Charles. McFadden is no slouch, he's good, but if Charles had the same amount of carries i don't think McFadden would be sitting there at #1.

Pants
11-08-2010, 06:38 PM
I know Ugly Duck is smart enough to know the difference, he's just trolling. That other ****ing retarded monkey can't grasp the concept that it takes an elite running back to post that high of a YPC.

High YPC = elite.
A lot of yards on a lot of carries = doesn't mean shit.

lawrenceRaider
11-08-2010, 07:10 PM
That tells me nothing. If your trying to say McFadden is the better runner then please compare carries. He has more yards due to the simple fact Carthon seems to favor Jones over Charles. McFadden is no slouch, he's good, but if Charles had the same amount of carries i don't think McFadden would be sitting there at #1.

If Charles had the same amount of carries, he'd be on the sideline because he's not built to take the punishment. That's why the Chiefs ran Jones for 1.7/att against the Raiders yesterday.

MeatRock
11-08-2010, 07:13 PM
If Charles had the same amount of carries, he'd be on the sideline because he's not built to take the punishment. That's why the Chiefs ran Jones for 1.7/att against the Raiders yesterday.

And you know this how? Just STFU

MeatRock
11-08-2010, 07:14 PM
I guess 5 more carries a game would break Charles huh? Your a moron.

MeatRock
11-08-2010, 07:15 PM
Oh and get the hell out of Lawrence please. We don't take too kindly to dumbasses around those parts.

lawrenceRaider
11-08-2010, 07:28 PM
Oh and get the hell out of Lawrence please. We don't take too kindly to dumbasses around those parts.

That's bull. There are Chiefs fans everywhere.

lawrenceRaider
11-08-2010, 07:29 PM
And you know this how? Just STFU

Have you seen the tiny little man?

patteeu
11-08-2010, 07:42 PM
McFadden went over 100 all purpose yards. Fact.

Jamaal Charles can have the gaudy Yards Per Carry stats if he wants to, bottom line is that he is not an every down back, and it's clear your coaches feel the same way, too. McFadden was grinding, fighting for the tough yards. Charles was on the sideline watching Thomas Jones get stuffed.

McFadden is way better than Charles. Truth hurts.

Charles had 100 all purpose yards too. Charles had more yards per carry AND more all purpose yards per touch. Facts x3. The truth is that both of them had decent games but neither of them had great games.

McFadden hasn't been an every down back either so I'm not sure why you're taking that angle. Hell, McFragile isn't even an every game back.

MeatRock
11-08-2010, 08:19 PM
Damn Patteeu, i think ya shut the poor little guy down with logic. Who woulda thunk it.
Good Post.

S&BJW
11-08-2010, 08:44 PM
Fact: Raiders shut down KC running game

Fact: Raiders won

Fact: I woke in a good mood today

Marcellus
11-08-2010, 08:45 PM
Fact: Raiders shut down KC running game

Fact: Raiders won

Fact: I woke in a good mood today

Ouch. And yup.

Ugly Duck
11-08-2010, 10:06 PM
So what you're saying is McFadden needs 5 carries more per game than Charles to outrush him and still can't get as many YPC???? :shrug:

No. Just illustrating that Oakland's non-legit run game is good enough to come in second behind KC & that McFadden's illegitimate run style is good enough to take top honors in the NFL at yds/g. That's all.

thurman merman
11-08-2010, 10:33 PM
"The Raiders running game is overrated, Ours is legit"

LMF'NAOOOOOOOO

Couldn't have been anymore wrong.

McFadden went to work.

Jamaal Charles and Thomas Jones got exposed.

ROFL

Yep, Charles sure got exposed. His 100 yards on 15 touches was so embarrassing.

Champ
11-08-2010, 10:51 PM
I know Ugly Duck is smart enough to know the difference, he's just trolling. That other ****ing retarded monkey can't grasp the concept that it takes an elite running back to post that high of a YPC.

High YPC = elite.
A lot of yards on a lot of carries = doesn't mean shit.

Yeah because YPC is clearly the best stat to look at when you are evaluating runningbacks. Derrick Ward is one of the best runningbacks in the NFL, huh? He has an awesome 6.6 YPC. **** the fact that he doesn't start for the Texans, or isn't an everydown back for the Texans, his YPC is the only thing that matters.

Darren McFadden has more rushing yards, more receiving yards, and has triple the amount of Touchdowns that Jamaal Charles has. But none of that matters because Jamaal Charles has a slightly higher YPC average.ROFL

See how ****ing retarded that sounds, bro? And you Chief fans keep saying that "if" Charles had more carries then he would be outproducing McFadden. BOTTOM LINE: YOUR COACHING STAFF DOESNT TRUST CHARLES WITH EXTRA CARRIES!!!

Get that through your head. Yesterday was the PERFECT opportunity for Jamaal Charles to shine and show that he is this great running back that you Chief fans continually claim that he is. Thomas Jones, your actual starting running back, was getting owned all day in the running game. He averaged 1.7 yards per carry throughout the game, but yet for some reason your coaching staff decided against giving the ball to Jamaal Charles. The few carries that Charles did get, he came up limping like a bitch.

Chief fans, enjoy your YPC stats all you want. I'll take the guy that actually produces on the field, instead of the guy who "well IF we gave him more carries his stats would look like...."

thurman merman
11-08-2010, 10:56 PM
Yeah because YPC is clearly the best stat to look at when you are evaluating runningbacks. Derrick Ward is one of the best runningbacks in the NFL, huh? He has an awesome 6.6 YPC. **** the fact that he doesn't start for the Texans, or isn't an everydown back for the Texans, his YPC is the only thing that matters.

Darren McFadden has more rushing yards, more receiving yards, and has triple the amount of Touchdowns that Jamaal Charles has. But none of that matters because Jamaal Charles has a slightly higher YPC average.ROFL

See how ****ing retarded that sounds, bro? And you Chief fans keep saying that "if" Charles had more carries then he would be outproducing McFadden. BOTTOM LINE: YOUR COACHING STAFF DOESNT TRUST CHARLES WITH EXTRA CARRIES!!!

Get that through your head. Yesterday was the PERFECT opportunity for Jamaal Charles to shine and show that he this great running back that you Chief fans continually claim that he is. Thomas Jones, your actual starting running back, was getting owned all day in the running game. He averaged 1.7 yards per carry throughout the game, but yet for some reason your coaching staff decided against giving the ball to Jamaal Charles. The few carries that Charles did get, he came up limping like a bitch.

Chief fans, enjoy your YPC stats all you want. I'll take the guy that actually produces on the field, instead of the guy who "well IF we have him more carries his stats would look like...."

Almost every team in the NFL has running back tandems these days, idiot. Did DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart suck last year because their coaches didn't trust one of them to carry the ball every play?

Champ
11-08-2010, 11:02 PM
Almost every team in the NFL has running back tandems these days, idiot. Did DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart suck last year because their coaches didn't trust one of them to carry the ball every play?

I know that, child.

But you Chief fans were putting Jamaal Charles in the upper echelon of NFL running backs.

The upper echelon guys carry the load for their teams. Guys like AP, Chris Johnson, Steven Jackson, Ray Rice, Frank Gore, and Darren McFadden from this year.

Those are the type of running backs that aren't coming out of the game on third and one. Those are the type of running backs who grind out the tough yards when their team's need them the most. Those are the type of guys that their coaches trust with the ball in their hands AT ALL TIMES.

Charles is not at that level. He's good, but right now he's not even top ten.

BossChief
11-08-2010, 11:10 PM
Fact: Raiders shut down KC running game

Fact: Raiders won

Fact: I woke in a good mood today

haha

you guys had 8 more rushing yards than us and you guys come here acting like McBrokenallthetime owned us or something...

8 yards

You should be thanking the gods that Bowe dropped his pass and Flowers didnt bat his down...otherwise you would be right back into wrist slitting more as usual

BossChief
11-08-2010, 11:13 PM
I know that, child.

But you Chief fans were putting Jamaal Charles in the upper echelon of NFL running backs.

The upper echelon guys carry the load for their teams. Guys like AP, Chris Johnson, Steven Jackson, Ray Rice, Frank Gore, and Darren McFadden from this year.

Those are the type of running backs that aren't coming out of the game on third and one. Those are the type of running backs who grind out the tough yards when their team's need them the most. Those are the type of guys that their coaches trust with the ball in their hands AT ALL TIMES.

Charles is not at that level. He's good, but right now he's not even top ten.

let me guess, McFailen is?

just stop and enjoy the win because you know as well as we all do that your team is about to self destruct and you will be lucky to win another 2 or 3 games the rest of the way.

BigMeatballDave
11-08-2010, 11:14 PM
I know that, child.

But you Chief fans were putting Jamaal Charles in the upper echelon of NFL running backs.

The upper echelon guys carry the load for their teams. Guys like AP, Chris Johnson, Steven Jackson, Ray Rice, Frank Gore, and Darren McFadden from this year.

Those are the type of running backs that aren't coming out of the game on third and one. Those are the type of running backs who grind out the tough yards when their team's need them the most. Those are the type of guys that their coaches trust with the ball in their hands AT ALL TIMES.

Charles is not at that level. He's good, but right now he's not even top ten.You are a fucking mongoloid.

The numbers dont lie, asshat...

Career numbers

McFadden: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8781

Charles: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8850

Please make a complete ass out of yourself and tell us McFadden is SOOO much better than Charles.

BigMeatballDave
11-08-2010, 11:18 PM
LMAO Charles has over 500 more yards on 14 more carries. He's averaging 1.4 yards more per carry.

TheGuardian
11-09-2010, 06:25 AM
I know that, child.

But you Chief fans were putting Jamaal Charles in the upper echelon of NFL running backs.

The upper echelon guys carry the load for their teams. Guys like AP, Chris Johnson, Steven Jackson, Ray Rice, Frank Gore, and Darren McFadden from this year.

Those are the type of running backs that aren't coming out of the game on third and one. Those are the type of running backs who grind out the tough yards when their team's need them the most. Those are the type of guys that their coaches trust with the ball in their hands AT ALL TIMES.

Charles is not at that level. He's good, but right now he's not even top ten.

Tell me again, what season was it that McCandybone played the entire 16 games?

Remind me, then tell me how he's a top back.

patteeu
11-09-2010, 09:59 AM
Fact: Raiders shut down KC running game

Fact: Raiders won

Fact: I woke in a good mood today

Congratulations, S&BJW. I hope we turn the tables on you at Arrowhead, but for now you get to bask in the glory of victory.

OctoberFart
11-09-2010, 11:13 AM
Whatever we have ran the ball good all year. Stats are just something to point at for sake of trying to rip something down.

Ugly Duck
11-09-2010, 03:38 PM
LMAO Charles has over 500 more yards on 14 more carries. He's averaging 1.4 yards more per carry.

I don't get it. Charles averages a full yard per carry more than McFadden, but has fewer total yards. McFadden averages 108 per game, Charles averages 90 cuz he gets 1 or 2 fewer handoffs per game than McFadden does.

DBOSHO
11-09-2010, 03:43 PM
Fade fans are funny

CrazyHorse
11-09-2010, 04:56 PM
Why do Raider fans keep using McFadden as an example of a dependable. durable back?

They must be bandwagoners with no sense of Raider history. Everybody bknows the dude spends as much time on the bench as he does in a game. How many games has he missed due to being frail? Hasn't he even missed some this year?

The label they are hanging on Charles describes DM to a T. On the other hand Charles is dependable. Has he ever missed a game due to injury.

Damn Raider fans are dense.

Its like the retarded kid pointing his finger at you laughing because your zipper is down, while he himself has his pants on backwards with a big piss spot in the front. You know thier working at a disadvantage so you dont say anything. But you get tired of their BS.

Take McFadden and his spindly fragile ass on the rest of the season and see how he does. As a carreer he's one of the most useless backs over the last few years. To this point if his carreer ended he would be considered a bust. He aint done squat. So far it's taken him 3 or 4 years to put a good 5 games together.

Charles put up over 1000 in 7 games last year with no help. And no injuries. He was there for every game every down. Something DM has yet to accomplish as the #5 overall. He may never achieve it. He's always hurt.

D-Train6906
11-09-2010, 05:03 PM
Stupid Raider fans are stupid.

GoChiefsTinyPenis
11-09-2010, 05:50 PM
The guy who started this thread isn't exactly a brain surgeon either.

It was pretty damn clear that the Raiders defensive line made the Chiefs offensive line their bitches.

MeatRock
11-09-2010, 05:56 PM
Yeah because YPC is clearly the best stat to look at when you are evaluating runningbacks. Derrick Ward is one of the best runningbacks in the NFL, huh? He has an awesome 6.6 YPC. **** the fact that he doesn't start for the Texans, or isn't an everydown back for the Texans, his YPC is the only thing that matters.

Darren McFadden has more rushing yards, more receiving yards, and has triple the amount of Touchdowns that Jamaal Charles has. But none of that matters because Jamaal Charles has a slightly higher YPC average.ROFL

See how ****ing retarded that sounds, bro? And you Chief fans keep saying that "if" Charles had more carries then he would be outproducing McFadden. BOTTOM LINE: YOUR COACHING STAFF DOESNT TRUST CHARLES WITH EXTRA CARRIES!!!

Get that through your head. Yesterday was the PERFECT opportunity for Jamaal Charles to shine and show that he is this great running back that you Chief fans continually claim that he is. Thomas Jones, your actual starting running back, was getting owned all day in the running game. He averaged 1.7 yards per carry throughout the game, but yet for some reason your coaching staff decided against giving the ball to Jamaal Charles. The few carries that Charles did get, he came up limping like a bitch.

Chief fans, enjoy your YPC stats all you want. I'll take the guy that actually produces on the field, instead of the guy who "well IF we gave him more carries his stats would look like...."

OMFG! This guy just does not get it. He's a legitimate dumbass, unreal.
Let me break this down for you. McFadden this year, has 38 more yards rushing on 26 more carries than Charles while Charles splits duties with Jones.

McFadden has 4 more receiving yards on 3 more catches than Charles and Charles splits duties with Jones.

26 more carries! That is downright laughable!

MeatRock
11-09-2010, 06:00 PM
McFadden looks like a world beater with those 4 rushing TD's. :rolleyes:

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-09-2010, 08:15 PM
http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv252/raisedonriots/2zrdp2e.jpg

S&BJW
11-09-2010, 09:19 PM
Romanowski on the Raiders

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Romanowski on the Raiders: Resurrection for Raider Nation and redemption for Al Davis - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

At long last the Oakland Raiders are long shots no more. There hasn't been this much promise in Oakland since 2002. In fact, they haven't even won two games in a row since 2008, and they haven't won three games in a row since 2002. Furthermore, they haven't won three games in a row in their own conference since 1990. The Raiders are now 5-4, only 0.5 games behind the Kansas City Chiefs in the AFC West standings. Kansas City has already had their bye week while the Raiders have not. How did the Raiders make their way from being one of the worst teams in the NFL to one of the best?

From my perspective, here are five ways the Raiders have elevated their game:

1. Playing as a Team

The 2010 Raiders are beating opponents instead of beating up on each other. With a lack of true superstar power, the Raiders have no choice but to play together as a team. There are no "I" guys on the roster and these guys are challenging each other every day in practice, and playing a full deck of cards on game day. As a result, this young group has many players who are about to come on hot, such as Darren McFadden(notes), Darrius Heyward Bey, Rolando McClain(notes), Jacoby Ford(notes), Chris Johnson, Matt Shaughnessy(notes), Marcel Reece(notes), as well as veterans Richard Seymour(notes) and Tommy Kelly(notes).

2. Stepping Up

Raider Michael Bush(notes) may have been picked as the starting running back at training camp, but after suffering a broken thumb in preseason it's been Darren McFadden ever since. While McFadden struggled in the previous two years with injuries, his 2010 season has been lights out as he's running the ball with a sense of urgency and punishing opponents when they try to tackle him. McFadden stepped up to be the most consistent player on the team, easily filling Bush's shoes and setting an essential precedent of hard-earned success on the team. In Sunday's game, rookie Jacoby Ford returned the opening kick off of the second half for a touch down, completed six receptions for 148 yards, which included a 47-yard catch in overtime, positioning the Raiders for the game-winning field goal against the Kansas City Chiefs.

3. Winning in the Trenches

Football games are won and lost in the trenches, and that is truly how the Raiders are winning games. They are dominating the line of scrimmage in offense and defense. When you beat opponents at the line, it puts pressure on the rest of the team. The Raiders' defense has been dominant in the last three games by making big plays, creating turnovers and sacking the quarterback. Rookie sensation Jared Veldheer's(notes) move to left tackle has helped elevate the offensive line, which started the season out so poorly not even Peyton Manning(notes) could get a good throw behind that line, but they have been playing better every week.

4. Overcoming Extreme Adversity

The Raiders have always been a highly penalized football team, but yesterday's game took it to a whole new level as the most penalized game of the year thus far. Somehow, someway, they won despite the penalties- these guys just won't quit. Now they are dealing with an injury list that's about to hit the double digits. After their bye week, the Raiders are facing one of the best teams in the NFL with the Pittsburgh Steelers. I'm excited to see who will step up and how they stack up against the Steelers after some recovery.

5. The "It" Factor

After overcoming adversity and a slew of penalties to win Sunday's game in overtime 23-20, the Raiders really believe they can win any game and for good reason. They've got that so called "it" factor that sports writers and commentators talk about, but no one knows how to put into words. Raiders head coach Tom Cable has got his players buying into working hard together, playing hard and fighting to win.

While playing for the Raiders in 2002, the turning point of our season was beating the long-time AFC rivals the Denver Broncos on Monday night football. We went on to be the AFC champions that year. For the 2010 Raiders, I think their 59-14 win against the Denver Broncos in week 7 may have been the turning point for them as well. They've got "it" and now they need to keep it to win the AFC West and maybe even the AFC Championship.

Ugly Duck
11-09-2010, 11:22 PM
Let me break this down for you. McFadden this year, has 38 more yards rushing on 26 more carries than Charles while Charles splits duties with Jones.

McFadden has 4 more receiving yards on 3 more catches than Charles and Charles splits duties with Jones.

Charles splits with Jones, McFadden splits with Bush in a similar fashion. The teams are #1 & #2 in the league using that method. No thinking person questions Jamaal freaking Charles. The OP is opining that the KC rush yards are legit but the Oakland rush yards are not cuz they handed off to Jacoby Ford & DHB a coupla times. So even though Charles & McFadden have similar numbers, the OAK rush total is overrated. But the OP is KnowChiefs & you just expect that kinda stuff from a guy who loves his team so much. Heck, I twist & nitpick myself so I can't really blame the guy....

P.S. Watch at video marker 1:00 where McFadden jumps over one Chief & then knocks another one down. He does take some knocks, but he dishes out as well: http://www.nfl.com/videos/oakland-raiders/09000d5d81bf1981/GameDay-Chiefs-vs-Raiders-highlights