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Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 02:49 PM
The NFL’s Most Dangerous Quarterback (http://kan.scout.com/2/1018397.html)

Forget Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers and Jay Cutler.

Matt Cassel (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5024960) is the NFL’s most dangerous quarterback.

No, Cassel isn’t about to start raining touchdowns on NFL secondaries or firing lasers halfway across the field every week. He’s not headed to the Pro Bowl. Cassel is the most dangerous quarterback in the NFL because only he has the power to destroy the Kansas City Chiefs.

There’s no sense in denying it anymore – the Chiefs are a damn good football team. But everything Scott Pioli (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3933332) and Todd Haley have built in the last 21 months is in jeopardy right now. The reconstructed offensive line, the league-leading rushing attack, Romeo Crennel’s defensive revolution – it can all be rendered null and void by the lone efforts of a single man. All it takes is a few flicks of Cassel’s right wrist and the whole thing implodes.

Yes, the Chiefs are 5-2 and leading the AFC West. Unfortunately, winning is a great deodorant. Something in Kansas City stinks.

It’s Cassel, and he’s holding back the Chiefs from their true potential. Sunday’s overtime dogfight with Buffalo made it obvious. Kansas City rushed for 274 yards, held the Bills to 10 points and still needed five quarters to win.

For the record, only four NFL teams have rushed for at least 250 yards in a game this year – the Chiefs, Raiders, Jets and Texans. But only one team scored fewer than 34 points while doing so – the Chiefs, who required overtime to limp their way to a meager 13 points.

Just coincidence?

Let’s take a look at the teams who have rushed for 200 or more yards in a game this season – the Chiefs, Raiders, Giants, Saints, Bears, Jaguars, Ravens, Texans, Jets, Falcons, Patriots, Steelers and Titans. Not only are the Chiefs the only team on that list to score fewer than 23 points in such a game, they are the only team to lose a game while running for at least 200 yards.

<table align="left" width="200" cellspacing="7"><tbody><tr><td>http://media.scout.com/media/image/85/851609.jpg
Cassel has been disappointing
on third down.
Getty Images </td></tr></tbody></table> Conclusion: KC’s running game and defense have been propping up Cassel all season long.

The problem: They can’t do it every week.

The bigger problem: Even when they do it, there’s no guarantee Cassel won’t screw it up.

Sunday’s game against Buffalo is all the proof you need. Facing a defense that hasn’t been able to get off the field on third down all year long, the Chiefs converted a pathetic 26 percent of their third-down attempts (4/15). The sad thing is two of those conversions were running plays, and a third was a screen pass.

That’s right. Cassel went five quarters against one of the NFL’s worst defenses and converted one third down on his own merits. Actually, to be fair, he was assisted by Jamaal Charles (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5024961), who pulled down a high throw and muscled his way just past the sticks for a seven-yard gain.

We shouldn’t be surprised, however, because the Chiefs have been terrible on third down all year and now rank 24th. Cassel is completing just 51.8 percent of his passes on third down, which ranks near the bottom of the league with prolific passers such as Derek Anderson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4854467) (51.1), Mark Sanchez (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5200287) (49.3), Jay Cutler (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4832032) (51.2) and Donovan McNabb (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4886133) (45). Not surprisingly, Anderson, Cutler and McNabb also lead three of the NFL’s worst third-down and overall offenses.

It’s interesting to note that Cassel’s inept third-down play completely separates him from the league’s highest-rated quarterbacks, which he is conveniently placed among thanks to a 90.4 passer rating. His third-down completion percentage is a full 4.3 points lower than his closest Top 10 competitor, Philip Rivers (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4845172).

Todd Haley and Charlie Weis realize this, fortunately, which is why they repeatedly hand the ball to running backs on third and long. It’s becoming more and more apparent they don’t trust their quarterback farther than he can throw them, so to speak.

Why should Chiefs fans?

The truly scary part of this – the real danger of The NFL’s Most Dangerous Quarterback – is that there are fans and media promoting the idea that Cassel is capable of taking the Chiefs somewhere. Every week, after Kansas City’s running game and defense churns out another win, you’ll find people around the blogosphere patting Cassel on the back, talking about his great quarterback rating or the fact he’s only thrown three interceptions. This week Inside the NFL co-hosts Phil Simms and Warren Sapp (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2980562) hopped on Cassel’s bandwagon.

“I always judge quarterbacks like this,” Simms said Wednesday night. “When you drop back to throw it, you get so many opportunities during a game, if they’re open. [Cassel] hits those open guys at a very high percentage just like the top quarterbacks in the NFL.”

“The man is driving the bus at times, he’s not just riding it,” said Sapp. “You can’t just say he’s riding the bus. Cassel makes plays for this team to go out and win games.” <table align="right" width="200" cellspacing="7"><tbody><tr><td>http://media.scout.com/media/image/87/871453.jpg
Will Cassel survive the Raiders?
Getty Images </td></tr></tbody></table> You honestly have to wonder if Simms and Sapp even watch Chiefs games. Cassel narrowly avoided interceptions on three passes against Buffalo, overthrew a wide-open Jamaal Charles by five yards at one point and chunked a ball at a receiver’s feet on third-and-one with the game on the line.

All Simms and Sapp had to do was watch their own show’s highlights. They would have seen an exasperated Todd Haley bemoaning Cassel’s inability to throw a deep ball intended for Dwayne Bowe (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5024954) on time, resulting in a blown opportunity for a touchdown. That’s just another day at the office for Danger Matt.

But regardless of the reasons for his support, it’s official now – The Matt Cassel Propaganda Machine is fully functional. Forget KC’s running game and defense. If the NFL media starts propping up Cassel and validating the opinions of Chiefs fans who desperately want to believe he’s Tom Brady (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4913464) 2.0, I don’t know where this goes, but it scares me.

What I do know is this – the Chiefs are headed to Oakland for a game of monstrous, epic proportions. Godzilla vs. King Kong figures to be the halftime show the way this shindig is shaping up. The Raiders are trying to claw their way back to relevancy for the first time in almost a decade, and Kansas City is standing in their way. Oakland head coach Tom Cable (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5159293) has whipped the Bay Area into a frenzy this week and Al Davis (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4855191) may just wash his hair for this game. At some point, I fully expect Ben Davidson to charge into the Chiefs’ broadcast booth and spear Len Dawson.

With matchups against Pittsburgh, Indianapolis and Miami remaining, not to mention a trip to Arrowhead Stadium, Sunday is essentially a playoff game for Oakland, and their most important contest since Super Bowl XXXVII. The Chiefs are walking into hell, and it’s hotter than ever.

The Raiders will bring the AFC’s best pass rush (Oakland is #1 in sacks per pass attempt) and, most likely, a sold-out, spiked, and painted-up crowd out for Chiefs blood thundering down on Cassel’s head. Oakland knows he’s Kansas City’s weak spot. They’ll attack him. If he’s anything close to the quarterback he’s supposed to be, he’ll play his best game of the season.

For the record: I don’t believe Cassel is capable of winning this game.

It’s going to be war. The Chiefs need a general, not a little drummer boy who hands the ball off to the real soldiers.

BigMeatballDave
11-04-2010, 02:54 PM
Very informative... In other news, water is wet...

bishop_74
11-04-2010, 02:59 PM
Ouch...

Direckshun
11-04-2010, 02:59 PM
Prepare to be torched by the You Know Whos.

alpha_omega
11-04-2010, 03:00 PM
Very informative... In other news, water is wet...

Yes very informative....1200 words of $hit we already knew.

But, well written....nice job GC.

sportsman1
11-04-2010, 03:01 PM
Damn good Article gochiefs. Cassel should rise to his best game or prove why he never actually started at USC.

Championship
11-04-2010, 03:02 PM
"Matt Cassel is the NFL’s most dangerous quarterback. "

I just shit my pants laughing so hard. ROFL

King_Chief_Fan
11-04-2010, 03:03 PM
and we didn't have to pay $99.99 for that idiot view

Superturtle
11-04-2010, 03:03 PM
"Matt Cassel is the NFL’s most dangerous quarterback. "

I just shit my pants laughing so hard. ROFL
.........................I really hope you read the article, or you are going to come off as a MAJOR ASSHAT...

go bowe
11-04-2010, 03:03 PM
Very informative... In other news, water is wet...yeah, it's wet...

but still better than most of the crap the local "sportswriters" come up with...

Rausch
11-04-2010, 03:05 PM
I think that's better than anythign JWhit's written in the last 15 months.












Do NOT touch me if I go to 'Zoners house next year...

Dayze
11-04-2010, 03:05 PM
damn...
well said.
basically what I've been trying to explain to people (outside of CP) for a while - but didn't have all the stuff to back it up.

Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 03:05 PM
Yes very informative....1200 words of $hit we already knew.


Most fans don't realize how terrible Cassel is.

There are literally people out there who don't doubt that Cassel is the man for the Chiefs.

The sad thing is one loss won't change their opinion.

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-04-2010, 03:07 PM
GAUNTLET!

Rausch
11-04-2010, 03:07 PM
GAUNTLET!

I'M THE GREEN WARRIOR! CALLED IT!

Frosty
11-04-2010, 03:08 PM
.........................I really hope you read the article, or you are going to come off as a MAJOR ASSHAT...

Too late for that.

BTW, Danger Matt sucks as a nickname.

the Talking Can
11-04-2010, 03:10 PM
"Matt Cassel is the NFL’s most dangerous quarterback. "

I just shit my pants laughing so hard. ROFL

:doh!:


raider fans can't read....read the whole article, you aids guzzler

Rausch
11-04-2010, 03:10 PM
Too late for that.

BTW, Danger Matt sucks as a nickname.

It does, but it fits...

kysirsoze
11-04-2010, 03:12 PM
"Matt Cassel is the NFL’s most dangerous quarterback. "

I just shit my pants laughing so hard. ROFL

.........................I really hope you read the article, or you are going to come off as a MAJOR ASSHAT...

These Raider trolls don't read OP's. They already know their shit.

CrazyPhuD
11-04-2010, 03:14 PM
ROFL

Pioli Zombie
11-04-2010, 03:14 PM
This is just No Shit. So what are you suggesting be done right now? Play Croyle? Um......OK.

DBOSHO
11-04-2010, 03:16 PM
LOL @ " Al Davis might wash his hair for this one"

And i just about shit myself when i read the title and took it seriously.

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-04-2010, 03:20 PM
Posted: Today 12:14 PM
Re: Matt Cassel - The NFL’s Most Dangerous Quarterback

<hr>This piece is ignorant. Does Cassel need to improve, absolutely! He does need to deliver passes quicker, he needs to stop over thinking every throw. Does he stink, as your writing eloquently states it, absolutely not! I get that this site needs hits and posts to prove to advertisers that you have activity, but to write such piece of nonsensical trash just adds to the worthless direction this site is heading towards and directly contributes to the tone of this board.

I think Phil Simms, an NFL QB with some hardware to back him up, is a much better suited to judge an NFL QB than you could be on your best day. Do you even attend the games live? Do you have access to NFL game films that show the entire field and not just the Television feed shots? How many games have you been to this year? I think we are reading the writings of an average NFL fan that watches games on his TV, and they are propped up to be something they are not.


ROFL Ah, the joys of WIPE...

jjjayb
11-04-2010, 03:25 PM
Great job on that article Gochiefs!

Der Flöprer
11-04-2010, 03:32 PM
That's one of the best articles you have ever written.

ReynardMuldrake
11-04-2010, 03:35 PM
"Matt Cassel is the NFL’s most dangerous quarterback. "

I just shit my pants laughing so hard. ROFL

So, you're on the record as a Cassel fan?

Thig Lyfe
11-04-2010, 03:39 PM
That's one of the best articles you have ever written.

Yup. That was top notch stuff. I would definitely add it to any portfolio you might send out to actual sports websites. I can't believe a retard like Athan, who can barely put a coherent sentence together, is the editor of a column like that.

And I like "Danger Matt" as a nickname, actually. It's better than stuff like "Assel" or "Casshole" or the like.

Pants
11-04-2010, 03:40 PM
That's one of the best articles you have ever written.

This. Good job, gochiefs.

Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 03:40 PM
And I like "Danger Matt" as a nickname, actually. It's better than stuff like "Assel" or "Casshole" or the like.

I almost went with Matty Dangerously.

DJ's left nut
11-04-2010, 03:41 PM
Too late for that.

BTW, Danger Matt sucks as a nickname.

Disagree.

If the guy was good, it would suck.

But when Shat flips another ball at the feet of his intended target or underthrows another 25 yard pass, does it get much better than "Hey, nice one 'danger matt', you suck dicks..."?

I'm still partial to Shat, but danger matt works when you really want to lay the sarcasm on thick.

Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 03:42 PM
Some people just don't get it.

He is not really leading the "games" by himself, so it is unfair to put the onus on him.

Rausch
11-04-2010, 03:43 PM
Some people just don't get it.

Yeah, we get it.

Don't fucking push your article...

Dicky McElephant
11-04-2010, 03:43 PM
WPI members just don't get it.

FYP

Oh Snap
11-04-2010, 03:44 PM
GAUNTLET!

your sig is hilarious! But true. Cassel is a back up QB guys. Lets not kid ourselves, hes thrown few ints, but cmon, he has had some arrant passes that luckily didnt turn into INTs.

Your sig says it all...wide open, and he throws it at this feet...the thing is, Cassel has lost us some games. Remember the texans game? 3rd and 1? Wide open tony Moeaki running 15-20 yards out, and he misses badly..If he hits Moeaki like 90% of the QBs will in that circumstance, we walk out of Houston with a win. Instead, he shits the bed, and throws over Moeaki...This is becoming a common theme. And it has already cost us a game.

Sure, Bowe needs to catch the easy passes that Cassel throws...Our WRs do share some of the blame. But good QBs make bad receivers look good. I think Bowe is a good receiver, he proved he can do it his rookie and sophomore year. But we need consistency outta him.

Der Flöprer
11-04-2010, 03:45 PM
Yup. That was top notch stuff. I would definitely add it to any portfolio you might send out to actual sports websites. I can't believe a retard like Athan, who can barely put a coherent sentence together, is the editor of a column like that.

And I like "Danger Matt" as a nickname, actually. It's better than stuff like "Assel" or "Casshole" or the like.

No. Casshole is king. Because I fucking coined it.

Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 03:45 PM
FYP

Man it's not just WPI.

There are more Cassel homers out there than any of you realize.

Arrowhead Pride is filled with them.

After spending time at Arrowhead this year and seeing a disgusting number of #7 jerseys, it's pretty apparent people just have no clue.

Dicky McElephant
11-04-2010, 03:46 PM
your sig is hilarious! But true. Cassel is a back up QB guys. Lets not kid ourselves, hes thrown few ints, but cmon, he has had some arrant passes that luckily didnt turn into INTs.

Your sig says it all...wide open, and he throws it at this feet...the thing is, Cassel has lost us some games. Remember the texans game? 3rd and 1? Wide open tony Moeaki running 15-20 yards out, and he misses badly..If he hits Moeaki like 90% of the QBs will in that circumstance, we walk out of Houston with a win. Instead, he shits the bed, and throws over Moeaki...This is becoming a common theme. And it has already cost us a game.

Sure, Bowe needs to catch the easy passes that Cassel throws...Our WRs do share some of the blame. But good QBs make bad receivers look good. I think Bowe is a good receiver, he proved he can do it his rookie and sophomore year. But we need consistency outta him.

I'd put the loss to the Colts on him. He played like complete shit that game. If he would've played "average".....we walk out with a win.

Frosty
11-04-2010, 03:47 PM
I almost went with Matty Dangerously.

That would have been marginally better.

Donger
11-04-2010, 03:48 PM
GoChiefs, your writing skills have improved dramatically over the years and this is without doubt your finest yet. Well done.

Der Flöprer
11-04-2010, 03:51 PM
LMAO @ the newest mod abuse. Feel free to change mine to Danger Flopnuts.

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-04-2010, 03:52 PM
your sig is hilarious! But true. Cassel is a back up QB guys. Lets not kid ourselves, hes thrown few ints, but cmon, he has had some arrant passes that luckily didnt turn into INTs.

Your sig says it all...wide open, and he throws it at this feet...the thing is, Cassel has lost us some games. Remember the texans game? 3rd and 1? Wide open tony Moeaki running 15-20 yards out, and he misses badly..If he hits Moeaki like 90% of the QBs will in that circumstance, we walk out of Houston with a win. Instead, he shits the bed, and throws over Moeaki...This is becoming a common theme. And it has already cost us a game.

Sure, Bowe needs to catch the easy passes that Cassel throws...Our WRs do share some of the blame. But good QBs make bad receivers look good. I think Bowe is a good receiver, he proved he can do it his rookie and sophomore year. But we need consistency outta him.

That sig is GoChiefs/Gif Horse's fine work. Everytime I see "ieeeee throw throw throw"!, it just cracks me up.

Rausch
11-04-2010, 03:54 PM
That sig is GoChiefs/Gif Horse's fine work. Everytime I see "ieeeee throw throw throw"!, it just cracks me up.

He really is the GIF Whore...

Frosty
11-04-2010, 03:54 PM
LMAO @ the newest mod abuse. Feel free to change mine to Danger Flopnuts.

I feel honored. LMAO

Disagree.

If the guy was good, it would suck.

But when Shat flips another ball at the feet of his intended target or underthrows another 25 yard pass, does it get much better than "Hey, nice one 'danger matt', you suck dicks..."?

I'm still partial to Shat, but danger matt works when you really want to lay the sarcasm on thick.

I totally agree that Cassel sucks. I just didn't like the nickname and commented. I like FAX's nicknames better.

Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 04:01 PM
:facepalm:

So if he had twice as many opportunities, he would have been 28/52 for 304 yds 2 TD 0 INT, this would have been better than Fitzgerald was on about the same amount of attempts. Where exactly is this imaginary problem?

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-04-2010, 04:03 PM
:facepalm:

ROFL Wow.

Fish
11-04-2010, 04:09 PM
:facepalm:

Good fucking grief....

Dayze
11-04-2010, 04:14 PM
lol.."Fitzgerald"

CrazyHorse
11-04-2010, 04:17 PM
Matt Cassell owns you people. In a season where the Chiefs are playing 10 times better than any of us expected, you all land on Cassell every week. Or when given even the smallest opportunity. Instead of focusing on the fun part of being a fan, you choose to be pissed off.

I am hoping for better QB play. Whether it comes from Cassell or someone else. We wont be getting another QB this year. But you go ahead and keep on cracking on him crying all the way through the rest of this season.

I'm choosing to enjoy the season instead, I plan to take full advantage of the miraculous turn around. Im even looking forward to getting a little better next year. Maybe a new QB will help that.

You all just fight amongst yourselves.

BTW, that shit was hard to read. Jusus. ROFL

-King-
11-04-2010, 04:17 PM
Jesus. Some people like Cassel and some don't. Most people realize that he sucks. Some don't. We get it.

Phobia
11-04-2010, 04:20 PM
Matt Cassell owns you people. In a season where the Chiefs are playing 10 times better than any of us expected, you all land on Cassell every week. Or when given even the smallest opportunity. Instead of focusing on the fun part of being a fan, you choose to be pissed off.

I am hoping for better QB play. Whether it comes from Cassell or someone else. We wont be getting another QB this year. But you go ahead and keep on cracking on hoim crying all the way through the rest of this season.

I'm choose to enjoy the season instead, I plan to take full advantage of the miraculous turn around. Im even looking forward to getting a little better next year. Maybe a new QB will help that.

You all just fight amongst yourselves.

BTW, that shit was hard to read. Jusus. ROFL

Have a heart, man. You have perspective on your side.

Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 04:22 PM
lol.."Fitzgerald"

Haha, I didn't even realize that.

F. Scott Fitzpatrick FTW!

notorious
11-04-2010, 04:23 PM
There are more Cassel homers out there than any of you realize.





This.



"I knew it, I'm surrounded by Cass-holes!"

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"Keep lying to yourselves Cass-holes!"

Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 04:36 PM
Hahahaha.

Cassel: What’s your problem, Bfett?

Bfett: You’re everyone’s problem. That’s because every time you put it up in the air, I don’t give you any credit for it. I don’t like you because you’re dangerous.

Cassel: That’s right! Bee… fett. I am dangerous.

Rausch
11-04-2010, 04:37 PM
Hahahaha.

No......fuckin'.......way.

vailpass
11-04-2010, 04:42 PM
98,000 posts? Wow.

Rausch
11-04-2010, 04:43 PM
98,000 posts? Wow.

Yeah, only a loser would.........eh........

MTG#10
11-04-2010, 04:44 PM
I see what you did there...

MTG#10
11-04-2010, 04:49 PM
After spending time at Arrowhead this year and seeing a disgusting number of #7 jerseys, it's pretty apparent people just have no clue.

Dude. I rocked my Trent Green jersey at the Jags game and a guy tapped me on the shoulder and said "Arn't you glad we finally have a real QB?" I of course thought he was joking and started laughing and he just gave me a disgusted look. It was unreal.

notorious
11-04-2010, 04:51 PM
Dude. I rocked my Trent Green jersey at the Jags game and a guy tapped me on the shoulder and said "Arn't you glad we finally have a real QB?" I of course thought he was joking and started laughing and he just gave me a disgusted look. It was unreal.

No


Fucking


Way



:facepalm:

Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 04:52 PM
Dude. I rocked my Trent Green jersey at the Jags game and a guy tapped me on the shoulder and said "Arn't you glad we finally have a real QB?" I of course thought he was joking and started laughing and he just gave me a disgusted look. It was unreal.

Jesus Christ.

That's worse than I could have possibly imagined. People don't just defend Cassel, they promote him in public?

Did he do that after a particular play?

MTG#10
11-04-2010, 04:55 PM
Jesus Christ.

That's worse than I could have possibly imagined. People don't just defend Cassel, they promote him in public?

Did he do that after a particular play?

No it was when I was on my way back to my seat after taking a piss.

Oh Snap
11-04-2010, 04:56 PM
I'd put the loss to the Colts on him. He played like complete shit that game. If he would've played "average".....we walk out with a win.

Agreed. If we had a philip rivers *pukes* we'd have ran away with that game, no doubt in my mind!

Cassel reminds me a lot of Damon Huard back in 06, just not as good. Protects the ball, relies on a running game, etc. The only difference is, Cassel isnt as good as Damon was then, and, the team overall is better now than it was in 2006. From defense to special teams, to the rush offense. Cassel really has no excuses.

MahiMike
11-04-2010, 04:57 PM
Hogwash.

CoMoChief
11-04-2010, 04:58 PM
Don't know why Jay Cutler was mentioned over Aaron Rodgers in the opening sentence.
Cutler sucks.

Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 04:59 PM
Don't know why Jay Cutler was mentioned over Aaron Rodgers in the opening sentence.
Cutler sucks.

Cutler is dangerous as hell.... :evil:

MTG#10
11-04-2010, 05:00 PM
Agreed. If we had a philip rivers *pukes* we'd have ran away with that game, no doubt in my mind!

Cassel reminds me a lot of Damon Huard back in 06, just not as good. Protects the ball, relies on a running game, etc. The only difference is, Cassel isnt as good as Damon was then, and, the team overall is better now than it was in 2006. From defense to special teams, to the rush offense. Cassel really has no excuses.

One thing I'll give Cassel though, at least he doesn't go into a fetal position at any sign of a pass rush.

Rausch
11-04-2010, 05:03 PM
No


****ing


Way



:facepalm:

Fucking evil.

He should have thrust a trident into the thorax of that FUCKING SPELL WEAVING HARPY and then lobbed off it's head, held it high as the sun crowned over the arching walls of arrowhead, and left for home a hero...

Detoxing
11-04-2010, 05:05 PM
****ing evil.

He should have thrust a trident into the thorax of that ****ING SPELL WEAVING HARPY and then lobbed off it's head, held it high as the sun crowned over the arching walls of arrowhead, and left for home a hero...

you know you're a Warcraft nerd when....

Rausch
11-04-2010, 05:08 PM
you know you're a Warcraft nerd when....

Never played it.

I just find a way to be constantly angry, which, I guess, is a distant cousin to sexual frustration...

Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 05:17 PM
I just find a way to be constantly angry,

Your hate has made you powerful.

tmh
11-04-2010, 05:24 PM
Matt is the NFLs most dangerous QB. Why, because a freaking nation full of blowhard douchbags say he is.

Pawnmower
11-04-2010, 05:51 PM
Sounds like CE Wendler is a fuckign pussy who is scared of the Raiders IMO.

Already making excuses and claiming we can't win.

Fuck him.

We're winning that game boys.

Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 05:52 PM
Sounds like CE Wendler is a fuckign pussy who is scared of the Raiders IMO.


I'm scared of every NFL team after the 0-7 Buffalo Bills almost came into Arrowhead Stadium and accepted the gift Matt Cassel wanted to give them.

Pawnmower
11-04-2010, 05:53 PM
I'm scared of every NFL team


Thats because you are a pussy. Why don't you and CE Wendler go choke on each other's tiny flaccid clit-nubs.

Der Flöprer
11-04-2010, 05:54 PM
People I've encountered at the stadium haven't been Matt Cassel fans. Not at all. I told rckymntnchief that it's no coincidence we're not seeing any "linebackers" wearing Cassel jerseys. It's all chicks. Then Tiny showed up at the tailgate in one and we lol'ed.

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-04-2010, 06:03 PM
Thats because you are a pussy. Why don't you and CE Wendler go choke on each other's tiny flaccid clit-nubs.

Troll.

Der Flöprer
11-04-2010, 06:05 PM
People I've encountered at the stadium haven't been Matt Cassel fans. Not at all. I told rckymntnchief that it's no coincidence we're not seeing any "linebackers" wearing Cassel jerseys. It's all chicks. Then Tiny showed up at the tailgate in one and we lol'ed.


Funny side note to this story. The Cassel jersey Tiny wore was a gift from a CP member. Anyone care to guess who? Why, Dane McCloud of course. :D Truth.

Pawnmower
11-04-2010, 06:07 PM
Troll.

You "scared" too? You need someone to hold you?

Why don't you complain more about how Matt Cassel sucks and stick that drafturbator dick in deep your mouth to comfort you and rock yourself to sleep then.

You're nothing more than a puppet.

Chocolate Hog
11-04-2010, 06:10 PM
Whatever happend to Dane and those guys?

Oh Snap
11-04-2010, 06:10 PM
One thing I'll give Cassel though, at least he doesn't go into a fetal position at any sign of a pass rush.

Yea, but he does shit the bed big time when a pass rush is present. And he has ZERO pocket awareness.

keg in kc
11-04-2010, 06:11 PM
Dangerous to the lining of my stomach maybe.

Pawnmower
11-04-2010, 06:11 PM
Whatever happend to Dane and those guys?

Theyll be back as soon as we lose...I think they enjoy complaining and thinking they know more than the front office...Which they can't so when we are winning.

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-04-2010, 06:13 PM
You "scared" too? You need someone to hold you?

Why don't you complain more about how Matt Cassel sucks and stick that drafturbator dick in deep your mouth to comfort you and rock yourself to sleep then.

You're nothing more than a puppet.

Go fuck yourself, troll. You ACT just like a fucking Raider's fan.

Pasta Giant Meatball
11-04-2010, 06:18 PM
Go fuck yourself, troll. You ACT just like a fucking Raider's fan.

Our Vader helmet wearing visitors from the West don't like him either.

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-04-2010, 06:23 PM
Our Vader helmet wearing visitors from the West don't like him either.

Let's trade his ass to the yard for a carton of Lucky's then.

Pawnmower
11-04-2010, 06:45 PM
Go **** yourself, troll.

If calling someone out for saying they are 'scared' of the Raiders makes me a troll...then so be it.

I'd rather be a 'troll' than a little bitch.

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-04-2010, 06:51 PM
If calling someone out for saying they are 'scared' of the Raiders makes me a troll...then so be it.

I'd rather be a 'troll' than a little bitch.

Where the fuck do you get "scared of the Raiders"? Good Lord you're a dumbass.

boogblaster
11-04-2010, 06:57 PM
F Casshole ... that said .. I think we'll match-up good against da Faiders .....

Thig Lyfe
11-04-2010, 07:05 PM
Thats because you are a pussy. Why don't you and CE Wendler go choke on each other's tiny flaccid clit-nubs.

Now that's some freaky-deaky time travel shit right there.

Pawnmower
11-04-2010, 07:15 PM
Where the **** do you get "scared of the Raiders"? Good Lord you're a dumbass.

Do you even look at the words in the threads in which you post?

You're calling me the dumbass....hahahahaha

Why don't you look a few posts back...then reconsider who is the dumbass.

Edit: why dont you click the link where YOU called me a troll and follow the conversation back...?

Surely you didn't call me a troll without reading the context & content of my post, because that would be fucking stupid....Oh wait never mind.

Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 07:15 PM
I got some true fan feedback from this.

A few highlights.

Back to Cassel. Is he great? Absolutely not. Is he bad? Obviously not if he's playing as a top 10-15 QB at the HIGHEST LEVEL of Football in the world.

What you need to understand though, what truly bothers me about your article, is the fact that Matt Cassel is different than any other QB in the league. This guy is a machine, a robot. Haley and Weiss have all the faith in the world in him to execute this offense.

Is Matt the QB of the future? Probably not. But right now he is our best option, and he does a GREAT job at executing the game plan as designed, and he plays with more heart at QB than just about any Quarterback in the NFL, and he plays smart.

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-04-2010, 07:42 PM
Do you even look at the words in the threads in which you post?

You're calling me the dumbass....hahahahaha

Why don't you look a few posts back...then reconsider who is the dumbass.

Edit: why dont you click the link where YOU called me a troll and follow the conversation back...?

Surely you didn't call me a troll without reading the context & content of my post, because that would be fucking stupid....Oh wait never mind.

It sounds to me like he's scared of Shat Castle, and with damned good reason. But I know how much you love to fellate Mark Castle, so please continue with your dumbassery.

Dumbass.

Chieftain58
11-04-2010, 07:47 PM
Last I knew they were not even close to sold out and closer to halfway sold out!

Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 08:35 PM
ROFL

I have supported Matt Cassel since he came here, if only for the fact that he plays with the intangibles that separate Great Quarterbacks from Good Quarterbacks

B_Ambuehl
11-04-2010, 08:36 PM
See GoChiefs this is the type of article you need to stick to writing. When you write hate articles they all come out top notch.

Extra Point
11-04-2010, 09:02 PM
My eyes didn't implode reading this article. It only boils down to whoeover makes the fewest mistakes, wins.

The Raiders, last game, were the recipients of two plays that could have cost them 12 points, plus the trys. The Chiefs have been graced with a few f-ups this season that could have them with more L's than W's.

Robo-Matt, just get out to OAK, and win it!

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-04-2010, 09:31 PM
My eyes didn't implode reading this article. It only boils down to whoeover makes the fewest mistakes, wins.

The Raiders, last game, were the recipients of two plays that could have cost them 12 points, plus the trys. The Chiefs have been graced with a few f-ups this season that could have them with more L's than W's.

Robo-Matt, just get out to OAK, and win it!

ROFL

rockymtnchief
11-04-2010, 09:34 PM
People I've encountered at the stadium haven't been Matt Cassel fans. Not at all. I told rckymntnchief that it's no coincidence we're not seeing any "linebackers" wearing Cassel jerseys. It's all chicks. Then Tiny showed up at the tailgate in one and we lol'ed.

I about pee'd my pants when he showed up in that thing. Up until then, the only people we spotted wearing Cassel shirts/jerseys were 20-something females weighing less than 120 lbs.ROFL

leviw
11-04-2010, 09:36 PM
See GoChiefs this is the type of article you need to stick to writing. When you write hate articles they all come out top notch.

Really? Because what I read was the regurgitation of the same crap he spews on this board every day. He points out what he perceives to be a problem but offers no solution. It's no better than the hilarious crap FSNKC is letting Athan put on its site these days.

Der Flöprer
11-04-2010, 09:37 PM
I about pee'd my pants when he showed up in that thing. Up until then, the only people we spotted wearing Cassel shirts/jerseys were 20-something females weighing less than 120 lbs.ROFL

That dude was making fun of jorts while he was sporting a Casshole jersey! W.T.F?

Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 09:38 PM
He points out what he perceives to be a problem but offers no solution.

The solution is obvious. Get rid of Cassel this offseason after he leads the Chiefs to a disappointing playoff defeat at home.

CrazyHorse
11-04-2010, 09:39 PM
Really? Because what I read was the regurgitation of the same crap he spews on this board every day. He points out what he perceives to be a problem but offers no solution. It's no better than the hilarious crap FSNKC is letting Athan put on its site these days.

yep

Der Flöprer
11-04-2010, 09:41 PM
Haters wanna hate. Lovers wanna love. GoChiefs doesn't want, none of the above.

CrazyHorse
11-04-2010, 09:41 PM
The solution is obvious. Get rid of Cassel this offseason after he leads the Chiefs to a disappointing playoff defeat at home.

:doh!:

rockymtnchief
11-04-2010, 09:41 PM
That dude was making fun of jorts while he was sporting a Casshole jersey! W.T.F?

ROFL
We need a "CP Fashion Handbook" I guess.

SR should be up to the task.

leviw
11-04-2010, 09:44 PM
The solution is obvious. Get rid of Cassel this offseason after he leads the Chiefs to a disappointing playoff defeat at home.

Right. That is obvious. Division champion teams always get rid of their QBs the next season. Very obvious, indeed.

Marcellus
11-04-2010, 09:44 PM
That dude was making fun of jorts while he was sporting a Casshole jersey! W.T.F?

When pics were posted of the tailgating I had to ask who was wearing the Cassel jersey, he admitted it was him and it was a gift from Dane.

I LMAO. Dane paid $ for that.

Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 09:45 PM
:doh!:

The Chiefs will be in the playoffs this year in spite of Cassel.

He's Jake Plummer reincarnated.

Mike Shanahan polished that turd up real nice, but it was still a turd.

Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 09:46 PM
Right. That is obvious. Division champion teams always get rid of their QBs the next season. Very obvious, indeed.

The Ravens got rid of Dilfer following their Super Bowl season.

Marcellus
11-04-2010, 09:51 PM
The Ravens got rid of Dilfer following their Super Bowl season.

Man I hope that happens, but that ain't gonna happen.

Also please remember who they got rid of Dilfer for......................a fucking quitter.

MTG#10
11-04-2010, 09:52 PM
Yea, but he does shit the bed big time when a pass rush is present. And he has ZERO pocket awareness.

Im not gonna argue that.

leviw
11-04-2010, 09:53 PM
The Ravens got rid of Dilfer following their Super Bowl season.

And replaced him with "your boy". Ravens fans are still upset Dilfer was let go.

Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 09:53 PM
Man I hope that happens, but that ain't gonna happen.

Also please remember who they got rid of Dilfer for......................a fucking quitter.

That's not really relevant.

If you want another example, the Packers parted ways with Favre after going 13-3.

Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 09:56 PM
The Chiefs won the division in 1995 with Steve Bono, won the division in 1997 with Grbac.

GOOD THING THEY HELD ON TO THOSE GUYS!

Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 09:57 PM
Rex Grossman took the Bears to the Super Bowl in 2006.

GOOD THING THEY HELD ON TO HIM FOR ANOTHER YEAR!

leviw
11-04-2010, 09:57 PM
That's not really relevant.

If you want another example, the Packers parted ways with Favre after going 13-3.

That's not relevant.

The Packers had a QBOTF knocking on the door. If KC did, that could be your solution. They don't.

Marcellus
11-04-2010, 09:58 PM
Rex Grossman took the Bears to the Super Bowl in 2006.

GOOD THING THEY HELD ON TO HIM FOR ANOTHER YEAR!

Yea because they got much better after that.

Marcellus
11-04-2010, 09:59 PM
The Chiefs won the division in 1995 with Steve Bono, won the division in 1997 with Grbac.

GOOD THING THEY HELD ON TO THOSE GUYS!

They didn't get rid of Grbac he got rid of KC. Thank God.

Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 09:59 PM
Yea because they got much better after that.

There was no reason for the Bears to keep Grossman, and yet they did.

Why?

Because they were run by morons.

ReynardMuldrake
11-04-2010, 10:00 PM
The Chiefs will be in the playoffs this year in spite of Cassel.

He's Jake Plummer reincarnated.

Mike Shanahan polished that turd up real nice, but it was still a turd.

The funny thing is, I'm not sure we even need a great QB to win in the postseason.

I have this vision of Haley and Pioli talking football over a couple beers, and Haley making a bet that he could take a team to the superbowl even with a shitty QB.

"You can't win a superbowl without a good quarterback!"

"Sure you can!"

"No you can't!"

"Sure you can! How much you wanna bet? I could call up Matt Cassel in two seconds and have him on this team!"

Pioli thinks it over...

Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 10:02 PM
I'm not sure we even need a great QB to win in the postseason.


http://i55.tinypic.com/2mr7l0j.jpg

Marcellus
11-04-2010, 10:03 PM
http://i55.tinypic.com/2mr7l0j.jpg

I am just venturing a guess he means this year with this team, not in general.

leviw
11-04-2010, 10:04 PM
There was no reason for the Bears to keep Grossman, and yet they did.

Why?

Because they were run by morons.

You're right. They were morons. If a QB is consistently killing your team with stupid turnovers, then it's pointless to retain him. Grossman murdered Chicago with dumb INTs every year... Same with Grbac and Bono in KC.

ReynardMuldrake
11-04-2010, 10:07 PM
http://i55.tinypic.com/2mr7l0j.jpg

I'm just saying we're playing great right now, shitty QB or no.

How long it will last, I have no idea.

leviw
11-04-2010, 10:11 PM
I'm just saying we're playing great right now, shitty QB or no.

How long it will last, I have no idea.

You're letting facts get in the way of clouded judgement.

jidar
11-04-2010, 10:22 PM
Nice job Gochiefs.
Great article.

Norman Einstein
11-04-2010, 10:24 PM
The Chiefs won the division in 1995 with Steve Bono, won the division in 1997 with Grbac.

GOOD THING THEY HELD ON TO THOSE GUYS!

Not quite there gif. Gannon won the division while girlbac was out injured. We would have won against denver if marty hadn't of been stupid and played Gannon instead of a weak girlbac.

SLAG
11-04-2010, 10:25 PM
Nice job Gochiefs.
Great article.

yeah probably the best from Clayton i've read

milkman
11-04-2010, 10:40 PM
Right. That is obvious. Division champion teams always get rid of their QBs the next season. Very obvious, indeed.

Division champions almost always have credible QBs.

However, the SB champion Ravens a few years ago replaced their crap QB.

They replaced him with an even crappier QB, but they did try.

And our crap QB makes their crap QBs look a lot less like crap.

Count Alex's Losses
11-04-2010, 10:49 PM
The hits just keep on coming.

Did you forget that Cassel put up a higher QB rating than Peyton Manning when they went head to head this year? That is arguably the best QB in the league, period, and Cassel (shockingly) outplayed him. That, in and of itself, was a playoff game by every standard. We still lost, but it wasn't on the arm of Cassel, and he certainly didn't hand the win over by himself.

I'm glad we have Cassel at the helm if only for his management skills. To which he is playing as good or better than every QB in the league.

teedubya
11-04-2010, 10:50 PM
Hahah... Great stuff, Clay. The 3rd down shittiness is FAIL of epic proportions.

Pawnmower
11-05-2010, 03:36 AM
The solution is obvious. Get rid of Cassel this offseason after he leads the Chiefs to a disappointing playoff defeat at home.

What a stupid fucking idiot.

In a sea of retards, you manage to float your way to the top of the drool....Congrats man.

Silock
11-05-2010, 03:55 AM
Fantastic article.

JOhn
11-05-2010, 05:06 AM
Division champions almost always have credible QBs.

However, the SB champion Ravens a few years ago replaced their crap QB.

They replaced him with an even crappier QB, but they did try.

And our crap QB makes their crap QBs look a lot less like crap.

crap
ROFL

Baby Lee
11-05-2010, 05:42 AM
If calling someone out for saying they are 'scared' of the Raiders makes me a troll...then so be it.

I'd rather be a 'troll' than a little bitch.

Wary that one limp dick on your own team could fuck up the work of the rest of a very good group isn't scared of the Raiders, if it's scared, it's scared of the limp dick in your own camp.

You are such a cunt, banking the hard work of a greatly improved team to prop up a piece of shit like Casshole is fucking gutless. To use the improvement of our O-line, the brilliance of McCluster, Charles and Moeki, to use fucking Brandon FLOWERS to make the case that Casshole is adequate when he's an anchor around their very able necks is bush league, and you know you can do it because your only retribution is a sheepish shrug at the end of the season in week one of the playoffs when he shits the bed for the whole team with a meek 'it was fun while it lasted.'

Baby Lee
11-05-2010, 05:48 AM
Right. That is obvious. Division champion teams always get rid of their QBs the next season. Very obvious, indeed.

hey dumbass, where was 2000 SB champ Trent Dilfer come August 2001?

Oh riding the bench clear across the country. Oh, I see.

leviw
11-05-2010, 08:07 AM
hey dumbass, where was 2000 SB champ Trent Dilfer come August 2001?

Oh riding the bench clear across the country. Oh, I see.

Awesome. Read the rest of the thread, douche.

Don't worry about ignoring the dozens of other examples that defend my argument while cherry picking the one or two that defend yours. Seems to be the common approach around here these days, so go nuts.

milkman
11-05-2010, 08:13 AM
Awesome. Read the rest of the thread, douche.

Don't worry about ignoring the dozens of other examples that defend my argument while cherry picking the one or two that defend yours. Seems to be the common approach around here these days, so go nuts.

Pointing out situations where the QB was the obvious weak link on good teams, and those teams trying to address that, is not cherry picking, dumbass.

Chiefnj2
11-05-2010, 08:15 AM
Wow, another article about Cassel's shortcomings. That's novel and hasn't been discussed or written about before.

jspchief
11-05-2010, 08:19 AM
And people wonder how Peterson kept his job for as long as he did. I wonder what percentage of the fan base is actually happy with being consistently mediocre to pretty good.

Cassel is the weakest link on the team, playing the most important position on the team. "We're playing pretty good right now" doesn't erase the fact that he's more likely to be a liability in games than an asset.

What's this team gonna do if we face the Steelers in the play-offs? You think we're going to convert 3rd and 8 running on them? We will need Cassel to do more than "not turn it over" at times this season. We can't bank on perfectly timed TOs during game winning FG kicks against teams like the Bills.

leviw
11-05-2010, 08:19 AM
Pointing out situations where the QB was the obvious weak link on good teams, and those teams trying to address that, is not cherry picking, dumbass.

Haha! Fine, how'd the Ravens do in 01 after they addressed that wink link? And if he was such a weak link to begin with, why were fans and teammates pissed he was shipped out?

jspchief
11-05-2010, 08:19 AM
Wow, another article about Cassel's shortcomings. That's novel and hasn't been discussed or written about before. /Waiting for your article

jspchief
11-05-2010, 08:21 AM
Haha! Fine, how'd the Ravens do in 01 after they addressed that wink link? And if he was such a weak link to begin with, why were fans and teammates pissed he was shipped out?How did Dilfer do after '01?

Chiefnj2
11-05-2010, 08:24 AM
/Waiting for your article

Try to enjoy being in first place. Cassel's the QB; live with it. There is no alternative right now. If the Chiefs followed the drafturbators advice, things wouldn't be very different, or would be worse. Sanchez isn't doing much better than Cassel, even though his receivers are a lot better. Clausen is in a horrible situation but has been yanked. Those were the two guys everyone wanted.

stevieray
11-05-2010, 08:27 AM
Cassel is the weakest link on the team, playing the most important position on the team..


if that were true, then that falls on the HC.

leviw
11-05-2010, 08:28 AM
How did Dilfer do after '01?

Don't recall saying Dilfer was good. He's probably the worst QB to ever win a Super Bowl. My point is, they won a Super Bowl with him, not necessarily despite him, and, by most accounts, they probably regretted shipping him out for someone who couldn't manage a game and turned the ball over. Grbac was the anti-Dilfer. One has a ring, the other, more talented player, doesn't.

Dinny Blues
11-05-2010, 08:29 AM
I remember Grbac's press conference when he went to Baltimore.

"We're gonna take this team to a new level."

I bet he wishes he had that one back.

Dinny

jspchief
11-05-2010, 08:30 AM
Try to enjoy being in first place. Cassel's the QB; live with it. There is no alternative right now. If the Chiefs followed the drafturbators advice, things wouldn't be very different, or would be worse. Sanchez isn't doing much better than Cassel, even though his receivers are a lot better. Clausen is in a horrible situation but has been yanked. Those were the two guys everyone wanted.Oh, I'm enjoying it thoroughly. Hell, this is the Chiefs football I grew up on. Running and defense.

But GC's article is spot on. There is a strange fan and media following for Cassel that has no foundation in reality. The team is winning in spite of him handicapping us. He may not be losing games with turnovers, be he's making it a hell of a lot harder to win by keeping our offense so limited.

jspchief
11-05-2010, 08:33 AM
Don't recall saying Dilfer was good. He's probably the worst QB to ever win a Super Bowl. My point is, they won a Super Bowl with him, not necessarily despite him, and, by most accounts, they probably regretted shipping him out for someone who couldn't manage a game and turned the ball over. Grbac was the anti-Dilfer. One has a ring, the other, more talented player, doesn't.So with the youth of the talent on this team, you would prefer to continue on with a bad QB, making no attempt at upgrading the position?

This team is starting to look it has a early 90s Cowboys foundation, minus the QB. Do you want to be the 1 and done Ravens, Buccaneers, etc., or a dynasty?

Reerun_KC
11-05-2010, 08:35 AM
Oh, I'm enjoying it thoroughly. Hell, this is the Chiefs football I grew up on. Running and defense.

But GC's article is spot on. There is a strange fan and media following for Cassel that has no foundation in reality. The team is winning in spite of him handicapping us. He may not be losing games with turnovers, be he's making it a hell of a lot harder to win by keeping our offense so limited.

I dont disagree... I think his limitations are killing us at times.. I am defianlty ready to see this offense go on the attack for a change. I still dont understand why everyone is hitching on to Cassel though. Yeah he is a nice and cool guy, composed on the field, leading the team.. But he has to be replaced at the end of the season if this team wants to go to the Superbowl.

Its simple... We all see the issues, I am sure the coaches and owners see the issue... Its not freaking rocket surgery at this point... IF the Chiefs want to win a superbowl, you have to replace the QB...

notorious
11-05-2010, 08:39 AM
I dont disagree... I think his limitations are killing us at times.. I am defianlty ready to see this offense go on the attack for a change. I still dont understand why everyone is hitching on to Cassel though. Yeah he is a nice and cool guy, composed on the field, leading the team.. But he has to be replaced at the end of the season if this team wants to go to the Superbowl.

Its simple... We all see the issues, I am sure the coaches and owners see the issue... Its not freaking rocket surgery at this point... IF the Chiefs want to win a superbowl, you have to replace the QB...


Wow.


That is an outstanding post, Mr. Reerun.

milkman
11-05-2010, 08:56 AM
Haha! Fine, how'd the Ravens do in 01 after they addressed that wink link? And if he was such a weak link to begin with, why were fans and teammates pissed he was shipped out?

How they did is irrelevent to the the discussion.

They made a bad choice in his replacement.

But the fact remains, they did replace that QB because they recognized he was the weak link, and winning more than the one SB with him was going to be problematic.

Further, as the years have passed since, the league has created rules, and placed more emphasis on existing rules (The Manning crying effect) which places more importance on the QB position than ever before.

Winning in the playoffs with a running game and defense is now far more difficult than it was when the Ravens won, because QBs are given so much more freedom by the rules to make plays.

Color Red
11-05-2010, 09:00 AM
Sure I could wish Cassel was lighting it up every week, but I think he's playing what his coordinator is giving him, and he has been taking care of the game. He has made some adjustments that seemed hard to make and has improved because of it. Yes we have a 200 yard a game running attack but that's because the management invested to get a 200 yard a game running attack. 200 yard a game running attacks are effective in the NFL. Another catch here or there by DBowe and things would look even better.

This will be a standout game for the season, Sunday in Oakland. I hope Cassel will take care of the game.

Oh, and there is no NFL team whose quarterback can falter and the team keep winning. This is not just a Chiefs problem.

Baby Lee
11-05-2010, 09:05 AM
Oh, and there is no NFL team whose quarterback can falter and the team keep winning. This is not just a Chiefs problem.

That's like saying, everyone in the league could be injured on any given play. This is not a Brodie Croyle problem.

milkman
11-05-2010, 09:09 AM
Sure I could wish Cassel was lighting it up every week, but I think he's playing what his coordinator is giving him, and he has been taking care of the game. He has made some adjustments that seemed hard to make and has improved because of it. Yes we have a 200 yard a game running attack but that's because the management invested to get a 200 yard a game running attack. 200 yard a game running attacks are effective in the NFL. Another catch here or there by DBowe and things would look even better.

This will be a standout game for the season, Sunday in Oakland. I hope Cassel will take care of the game.

Oh, and there is no NFL team whose quarterback can falter and the team keep winning. This is not just a Chiefs problem.

Uhhh.....managment invested to get a 200 yard runnig game?

The investments they made were weapons for Cassel to succeed.

baitism
11-05-2010, 09:20 AM
You "scared" too? You need someone to hold you?

Why don't you complain more about how Matt Cassel sucks and stick that drafturbator dick in deep your mouth to comfort you and rock yourself to sleep then.

You're nothing more than a puppet.

Go back to your mocha latte, faggot.

leviw
11-05-2010, 09:32 AM
So with the youth of the talent on this team, you would prefer to continue on with a bad QB, making no attempt at upgrading the position?

This team is starting to look it has a early 90s Cowboys foundation, minus the QB. Do you want to be the 1 and done Ravens, Buccaneers, etc., or a dynasty?

First of all, I think you should be looking to upgrade every position every year. It's how you get good and stay good.

But at the same time, you've got to be positive your attempt at an upgrade is actually an upgrade. The Ravens went the wrong way. The reality is, the Chiefs, like the Ravens with Dilfer are winning with Cassel, not despite Cassel. He has made several plays to help this team win five games.

However, there are many, on this board especially, who have repeatedly voiced such strong opinions -- all archived -- that their reputations are tied tightly to the success or failure of Cassel. Therefore, because it's more important to be right than to admit there's a chance you could be wrong, the guy continually gets his head kicked in over here -- sometimes deservedly so, most times not.

J Diddy
11-05-2010, 09:34 AM
if that were true, then that falls on the HC.

perhaps, perhaps not.

What other solutions do we have on the roster?

If someone says croyle I'm gonna take off my safety helmet and run head first into a brick wall.

Frazod
11-05-2010, 09:35 AM
The Ravens got rid of Dilfer following their Super Bowl season.

Just once, I'd love to hear Dilfer say "You know, Cassel reminds me of.... me! I'll bet he won't be back next year." LMAO

movinbones
11-05-2010, 09:40 AM
"Todd Haley and Charlie Weis realize this, fortunately, which is why they repeatedly hand the ball to running backs on third and long. It’s becoming more and more apparent they don’t trust their quarterback farther than he can throw them, so to speak."

Nailed it!!!

L.A. Chieffan
11-05-2010, 09:41 AM
theres only one stat that matters. 5 and 2

Baby Lee
11-05-2010, 09:41 AM
First of all, I think you should be looking to upgrade every position every year. It's how you get good and stay good.

But at the same time, you've got to be positive your attempt at an upgrade is actually an upgrade. The Ravens went the wrong way. The reality is, the Chiefs, like the Ravens with Dilfer are winning with Cassel, not despite Cassel. He has made several plays to help this team win five games.

However, there are many, on this board especially, who have repeatedly voiced such strong opinions -- all archived -- that their reputations are tied tightly to the success or failure of Cassel. Therefore, because it's more important to be right than to admit there's a chance you could be wrong, the guy continually gets his head kicked in over here -- sometimes deservedly so, most times not.

Stop it already with this schtick

ACTUALLY IN the archives are several posts where I state I pray daily that Cassel becomes a good QB, knowing that my prayers are in vain.

Chiefnj2
11-05-2010, 09:42 AM
Uhhh.....managment invested to get a 200 yard runnig game?

The investments they made were weapons for Cassel to succeed.

The investments they made were for the team to succeed.

If it was all about making Cassel look better they would have drafted a real WR and wouldn't have entered the season with O'Callaghan at RT.

Frazod
11-05-2010, 09:43 AM
"Todd Haley and Charlie Weis realize this, fortunately, which is why they repeatedly hand the ball to running backs on third and long. It’s becoming more and more apparent they don’t trust their quarterback farther than he can throw them, so to speak."

Nailed it!!!

Now if only we could get them to hand the ball to running backs on THIRD AND SHORT. :cuss:

Chiefnj2
11-05-2010, 09:47 AM
Now if only we could get them to hand the ball to running backs on THIRD AND SHORT. :cuss:

Sadly, they aren't good at 3rd and short on the ground.

leviw
11-05-2010, 09:48 AM
How they did is irrelevent to the the discussion.

They made a bad choice in his replacement.

But the fact remains, they did replace that QB because they recognized he was the weak link, and winning more than the one SB with him was going to be problematic.

Further, as the years have passed since, the league has created rules, and placed more emphasis on existing rules (The Manning crying effect) which places more importance on the QB position than ever before.

Winning in the playoffs with a running game and defense is now far more difficult than it was when the Ravens won, because QBs are given so much more freedom by the rules to make plays.

How the hell is it irrelevant to the discussion? It has everything to do with the discussion. The goal is to win, no? The Ravens won with Trent Dilfer. They didn’t win near as much when they “upgraded” the next season. They recognized what they perceived to be a weak link, the addressed it AND GOT WORSE.

Yes, there is more opportunity for the quarterback to pile up yardage and fantasy points now then there was 10 years ago. But you’re assuming those two things equate to victories, and that’s not the case. I don’t know that it’s harder to win with a running game and defense – Jets proved you can last year – it’s just not the preferred style of play anymore. It’s a copy-cat league and teams with QBs named Brady and Manning have had the more success than anyone, so, in response, many teams are trying to hitch their wagon to their big-shot QB. Yeah, it worked for the Saints. But meanwhile, teams like the Vikings, Packers, Chargers and Cowboys are falling short every year because the QB puts a bullet in their collective foots in January.

Even if the Chiefs had a “fantasy” quarterback, it would be ridiculous to turn their back on the running game just for the sake of having a quarterback.

And again, not to say the Chiefs shouldn’t look to upgrade – not just at QB, but every position – they have to be certain that the guy(s) they bring in are in fact upgrades, not just guys with upside.

CrazyHorse
11-05-2010, 09:48 AM
You know, last year people said that if Cassell showed a little improvent this year, they would give him a break. Let him develop. Some of those people were full of shit.

Personally, I have seen some improvement. So I am giving the guy some slack. Every ball dont have to be perfectly thrown. He didn't have to become a probowler this year. He just had to show he wasn't at his ceiling. Its clear to me he's not at his ceiling. So I am gonna sit back and see if he can continue to improve over the rest of the season. Then in the off season, make a decision where I think the team should go from there. After all, stomping your feet, pissing and moaning right now is an excersize in futility. What do you expect them to do? Cut him now? I mean, if I was looking for attention I might piss and moan. But it does nothing to actually help the team. In fact, its more of a circle jerk for the righteous. Im not interested in any of that.

The end of season is the time for stomping your feet. Right now, its a waste of effort. Unless as I said, you're just looking for attention.

leviw
11-05-2010, 09:54 AM
Stop it already with this schtick

ACTUALLY IN the archives are several posts where I state I pray daily that Cassel becomes a good QB, knowing that my prayers are in vain.

Did I call you out by name? I don't care what you've posted in the past. Funny you took that personal, though.

milkman
11-05-2010, 10:00 AM
How the hell is it irrelevant to the discussion? It has everything to do with the discussion. The goal is to win, no? The Ravens won with Trent Dilfer. They didn’t win near as much when they “upgraded” the next season. They recognized what they perceived to be a weak link, the addressed it AND GOT WORSE.

Yes, there is more opportunity for the quarterback to pile up yardage and fantasy points now then there was 10 years ago. But you’re assuming those two things equate to victories, and that’s not the case. I don’t know that it’s harder to win with a running game and defense – Jets proved you can last year – it’s just not the preferred style of play anymore. It’s a copy-cat league and teams with QBs named Brady and Manning have had the more success than anyone, so, in response, many teams are trying to hitch their wagon to their big-shot QB. Yeah, it worked for the Saints. But meanwhile, teams like the Vikings, Packers, Chargers and Cowboys are falling short every year because the QB puts a bullet in their collective foots in January.

Even if the Chiefs had a “fantasy” quarterback, it would be ridiculous to turn their back on the running game just for the sake of having a quarterback.

And again, not to say the Chiefs shouldn’t look to upgrade – not just at QB, but every position – they have to be certain that the guy(s) they bring in are in fact upgrades, not just guys with upside.

It's irrelevent to the discussion because the discussion isn't whether the Ravens were successful in thier attempt to upgrade.

The discussion is whether the Chiefs need to upgrade the position even if they go into the playoffs.

milkman
11-05-2010, 10:02 AM
You know, last year people said that if Cassell showed a little improvent this year, they would give him a break. Let him develop. Some of those people were full of shit.

Personally, I have seen some improvement. So I am giving the guy some slack. Every ball dont have to be perfectly thrown. He didn't have to become a probowler this year. He just had to show he wasn't at his ceiling. Its clear to me he's not at his ceiling. So I am gonna sit back and see if he can continue to improve over the rest of the season. Then in the off season, make a decision where I think the team should go from there. After all, stomping your feet, pissing and moaning right now is an excersize in futility. What do you expect them to do? Cut him now? I mean, if I was looking for attention I might piss and moan. But it does nothing to actually help the team. In fact, its more of a circle jerk for the righteous. Im not interested in any of that.

The end of season is the time for stomping your feet. Right now, its a waste of effort. Unless as I said, you're just looking for attention.

I can't wait to hear this.

Just how is it clear to you that he isn't at his ceiling?

Frazod
11-05-2010, 10:05 AM
Sadly, they aren't good at 3rd and short on the ground.

Perhaps, but with the game on the line I'd rather have the ball in Charles' hands than Cassel's. When Charles fails, generally it's because somebody else misses a crucial block. Cassel usually fails because he fucking sucks.

leviw
11-05-2010, 10:10 AM
It's irrelevent to the discussion because the discussion isn't whether the Ravens were successful in thier attempt to upgrade.

The discussion is whether the Chiefs need to upgrade the position even if they go into the playoffs.

Wait, I didn't bring up Dilfer. But since we got to him, I'll be happy to correlate it that situation the Chiefs. You can't change for the sake of having something different next season. If you change, you better be damn sure it is an upgrade.

Because if you're worse the next season and the quarterback is a major reason why -- ie., Ravens in 2001 -- you failed.

leviw
11-05-2010, 10:11 AM
I can't wait to hear this.

Just how is it clear to you that he isn't at his ceiling?

Because he's better this year than last?

milkman
11-05-2010, 10:16 AM
Wait, I didn't bring up Dilfer. But since we got to him, I'll be happy to correlate it that situation the Chiefs. You can't change for the sake of having something different next season. If you change, you better be damn sure it is an upgrade.

Because if you're worse the next season and the quarterback is a major reason why -- ie., Ravens in 2001 -- you failed.

You didn't bring up Dilfer.

You tried to make the point that winning teams don't change QBs.

Dilfer was brought up to point out that teams do change if they feel the need to upgrade.

You are right, if a team does make that change, they need to do everything they can to ensure that it is an actual upgrade.

The Ravens failed in that, but the fact remains, a winnig team that feels it needs to upgrade should make every effort to do so.

Chiefnj2
11-05-2010, 10:19 AM
Perhaps, but with the game on the line I'd rather have the ball in Charles' hands than Cassel's. When Charles fails, generally it's because somebody else misses a crucial block. Cassel usually fails because he ****ing sucks.

I agree. I also contend that a large reason why the passing game is very simplistic and the calls at times are head-scratchers is because Weis does not have full faith in the OL.

milkman
11-05-2010, 10:20 AM
Because he's better this year than last?

Which in no way indicates that he hasn't reached his ceiling.

leviw
11-05-2010, 10:27 AM
The Ravens failed in that, but the fact remains, a winnig team that feels it needs to upgrade should make every effort to do so.

Good, then we agree.

As it relates to Cassel, I think the fans should let the season play out before making their final assessment. They should look at Cassel's entire body of work, not just the GIFs of bounced passes, cutesy edits and biased "articles". They should remember where this team finished this season compared to where they were last season. They should look at Cassel's progress from 2009 to 2010.

Of course, we could all be like GoChiefs and make our final assessments and predicitions in Week 9.

Frazod
11-05-2010, 10:28 AM
I agree. I also contend that a large reason why the passing game is very simplistic and the calls at times are head-scratchers is because Weis does not have full faith in the OL.

They're much better in pass protection this year, but there's nothing they can do to prevent Cassel from missing easy throws, locking in on a triple covered receiver or holding onto the ball so goddamn long that I could sack him.

Tuckdaddy
11-05-2010, 10:51 AM
Damn good Article gochiefs. Cassel should rise to his best game or prove why he never actually started at USC.

Yeah right.

Earthling
11-05-2010, 11:00 AM
As it relates to Cassel, I think the fans should let the season play out before making their final assessment.

This is exactly where I'm at too....not just 7 games.

BigChiefFan
11-05-2010, 11:02 AM
You know, last year people said that if Cassell showed a little improvent this year, they would give him a break. Let him develop. Some of those people were full of shit.

Personally, I have seen some improvement. So I am giving the guy some slack. Every ball dont have to be perfectly thrown. He didn't have to become a probowler this year. He just had to show he wasn't at his ceiling. Its clear to me he's not at his ceiling. So I am gonna sit back and see if he can continue to improve over the rest of the season. Then in the off season, make a decision where I think the team should go from there. After all, stomping your feet, pissing and moaning right now is an excersize in futility. What do you expect them to do? Cut him now? I mean, if I was looking for attention I might piss and moan. But it does nothing to actually help the team. In fact, its more of a circle jerk for the righteous. Im not interested in any of that.

The end of season is the time for stomping your feet. Right now, its a waste of effort. Unless as I said, you're just looking for attention.

Good post. I've come to the conclusion, some just aren't happy in life and look for anything to bitch about. We are finally winning and Cassel actually looks better this year and some still bitch and moan. Life's too short to get so caught up in trivial crap. We're winning, you would think some would enjoy the ride. Cassell gets too much shit from the armchair QBs. He's done his job.

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-05-2010, 11:17 AM
Wary that one limp dick on your own team could fuck up the work of the rest of a very good group isn't scared of the Raiders, if it's scared, it's scared of the limp dick in your own camp.

You are such a cunt, banking the hard work of a greatly improved team to prop up a piece of shit like Casshole is fucking gutless. To use the improvement of our O-line, the brilliance of McCluster, Charles and Moeki, to use fucking Brandon FLOWERS to make the case that Casshole is adequate when he's an anchor around their very able necks is bush league, and you know you can do it because your only retribution is a sheepish shrug at the end of the season in week one of the playoffs when he shits the bed for the whole team with a meek 'it was fun while it lasted.'

ROFL:clap: Pwnedmower.

Fish
11-05-2010, 11:17 AM
This is exactly where I'm at too....not just 7 games.

So.... his previous 38 starts didn't show us anything... but another 7 will?

Really?

Count Alex's Losses
11-05-2010, 11:28 AM
Wow, another article about Cassel's shortcomings. That's novel and hasn't been discussed or written about before.

Actually, the mainstream media is pretty much glossing over the $63 million elephant in the room.

They think everything is hunky dory.

Count Alex's Losses
11-05-2010, 11:39 AM
biased "articles".

ROFL

I was a huge Matt Cassel fan when he took his first snap for the Chiefs. Huge.

If anything I was more biased 18 months ago.

If Cassel hasn't shown you the truth by now you have your head way up your ass.


They should look at Cassel's progress from 2009 to 2010.


ROFL

The only progress he's made is that he's protecting the football because he's been leashed to a gameplan on a team that runs the ball more than anyone else in the NFL.

He still can't throw the ball down the field and he still makes dumbass decisions.

Fortunately for him we can hide him. But not every week.

leviw
11-05-2010, 12:11 PM
ROFL

I was a huge Matt Cassel fan when he took his first snap for the Chiefs. Huge.

If anything I was more biased 18 months ago.

If Cassel hasn't shown you the truth by now you have your head way up your ass.



ROFL

The only progress he's made is that he's protecting the football because he's been leashed to a gameplan on a team that runs the ball more than anyone else in the NFL.

He still can't throw the ball down the field and he still makes dumbass decisions.

Fortunately for him we can hide him. But not every week.


The truth is, this a 5-2 football team that was 1-6 through seven games last year. He's started every one of those seven games. He's led critical game-winning drives in two of the five wins. He played very well in two others. The other game was a win over the Chargers. In one of the two losses, his offense scored 31 points.

Even if this team had a super star QB, Haley should be fired if he let him throw the ball all over the field. This is the best rushing team in the NFL. Of course they are running it more than anyone else.

No, he doesn't always make great decisions. No, he doesn't stretch the field like some. But for five times this season he's done enough to lead the Chiefs to a win.

We all agree the position needs to be reevaluated at the end of the year – every position does. I don't know what the hell you want, but you're not getting it this year. So instead of splicing together all of your daily, redundant posts into one lame article, maybe you could STFU and let this play out.

Count Alex's Losses
11-05-2010, 12:15 PM
He's led critical game-winning drives in two of the five wins.

Let me get this straight, Cassel's FIELD GOAL drive against the Browns that ended with 7:44 left in the ball game is now a GAME WINNING drive?

ROFL

Oh boy, there goes my hero.


Even if this team had a super star QB, Haley should be fired if he let him throw the ball all over the field.

You do realize, of course, this is not what people want?

They just want an efficient, accurate quarterback who isn't a liability.

Cassel is the team's biggest liability.

leviw
11-05-2010, 12:20 PM
Let me get this straight, Cassel's FIELD GOAL drive against the Browns that ended with 7:44 left in the ball game is now a GAME WINNING drive?

ROFL

Oh boy, there goes my hero.

Do the Chiefs win if they don't score?

Hmmm... guess that would make it game-winning.

Dylan
11-05-2010, 12:24 PM
Yes very informative....1200 words of $hit we already knew.

But, well written....nice job GC.

GoChiefs changed his username?

thanks in advance & God bless... :D

leviw
11-05-2010, 12:25 PM
Let me get this straight, Cassel's FIELD GOAL drive against the Browns that ended with 7:44 left in the ball game is now a GAME WINNING drive?

ROFL

Oh boy, there goes my hero.



You do realize, of course, this is not what people want?

They just want an efficient, accurate quarterback who isn't a liability.

Cassel is the team's biggest liability.

LOL.

How? He's not costing his team victories?

Jay Cutler is a liability. Brett Favre is a liability. Alex Smith is a liability.

Matt Cassel is not.

Count Alex's Losses
11-05-2010, 12:26 PM
Do the Chiefs win if they don't score?

Hmmm... guess that would make it game-winning.

The defense did more to win that game than Cassel. They stopped the Browns twice after the Chiefs took the lead and held them to 55 yards in the second half.

Count Alex's Losses
11-05-2010, 12:27 PM
How? He's not costing his team victories?


If Cassel could have stepped up and made a play in the fourth quarter against Indy OR Tennessee, the Chiefs win both games.

Cassel came an Eric Berry interception away from blowing last week's game.

Liability.

jspchief
11-05-2010, 12:37 PM
However, there are many, on this board especially, who have repeatedly voiced such strong opinions -- all archived -- that their reputations are tied tightly to the success or failure of Cassel. Therefore, because it's more important to be right than to admit there's a chance you could be wrong, the guy continually gets his head kicked in over here -- sometimes deservedly so, most times not. I agree that there are people here are so eager to be proved right that they seem to prefer it over the Chiefs' success. However, the motivation of a few egotistical douchebags doesn't have anything to do with what is happening on the field. And truthfully, I would argue that some people around here are so eager to see those douchebags eat crow, they are choosing to ignore what's right in front of their faces.

Right now Matt Cassel is the 2003 Chiefs defense. We all know that we are getting lucky with the way he's playing, and want to gloss over it because it's no fun to complain when you're winning. The problem is many of us fear that once that weak spot loses it's lucky streak, like 2003, things will fall apart quickly.

To me, the "but we're 5-2" argument is the same as 2003's "but we're 9-0, 9-1, 10-1, 11-1, 11-2, etc" argument... and sadly I fear it will end in the same manner.

leviw
11-05-2010, 12:38 PM
If Cassel could have stepped up and made a play in the fourth quarter against Indy OR Tennessee, the Chiefs win both games.

Cassel came an Eric Berry interception away from blowing last week's game.

Liability.

You're funny.

You can't credit the defense for the Cleveland win but not fault them for the Houston loss.

Watch:

The defense Cassel did more to win that game than Cassel the defense. They stopped scored on the Browns Texans twice after the Chiefs took the lead Texans got within seven.

jspchief
11-05-2010, 12:39 PM
LOL.

How? He's not costing his team victories?

Jay Cutler is a liability. Brett Favre is a liability. Alex Smith is a liability.

Matt Cassel is not.Maybe not a liability. How about an anchor? A drag chute?

He's making it tougher for this team to reach top speed.

Count Alex's Losses
11-05-2010, 12:44 PM
You can't credit the defense for the Cleveland win but not fault them for the Houston loss.


Now you're just putting words in my mouth.

The defense definitely shares a large part of the blame for the Houston loss. But Cassel has to take some of the blame, too. That throw was awful. Chokerrific.

The defense isn't going to play lights out every week, especially against top quarterbacks. What happens then? We just throw up our hands?

Need I remind you the last time we won playoff games? Our "great" defense gave up 24 and 20 points.

leviw
11-05-2010, 12:45 PM
I agree that there are people here are so eager to be proved right that they seem to prefer it over the Chiefs' success. However, the motivation of a few egotistical douchebags doesn't have anything to do with what is happening on the field. And truthfully, I would argue that some people around here are so eager to see those douchebags eat crow, they are choosing to ignore what's right in front of their faces.

Right now Matt Cassel is the 2003 Chiefs defense. We all know that we are getting lucky with the way he's playing, and want to gloss over it because it's no fun to complain when you're winning. The problem is many of us fear that once that weak spot loses it's lucky streak, like 2003, things will fall apart quickly.

To me, the "but we're 5-2" argument is the same as 2003's "but we're 9-0, 9-1, 10-1, 11-1, 11-2, etc" argument... and sadly I fear it will end in the same manner.

The 2003 defense was flawed, but even the coaching staff refused to recognize it or do anything to fix it. This coaching staff recognize Cassel's weaknesses but are putting him in a position to succeed.

leviw
11-05-2010, 12:55 PM
Now you're just putting words in my mouth.

The defense definitely shares a large part of the blame for the Houston loss. But Cassel has to take some of the blame, too. That throw was awful. Chokerrific.

The defense isn't going to play lights out every week, especially against top quarterbacks. What happens then? We just throw up our hands?

Need I remind you the last time we won playoff games? Our "great" defense gave up 24 and 20 points.

That's your biggest fault with this whole thing. You continually take one play, fixate on it, break it down and beat it to death.

And the offense has scored 30+ points in three of seven games. It's capable of competing in shootouts.

Count Alex's Losses
11-05-2010, 12:57 PM
That's your biggest fault with this whole thing. You continually take one play, fixate on it, break it down and beat it to death.

And the offense has scored 30+ points in three of seven games. It's capable of competing in shootouts.

Yes, only our shots consist of handoffs.

leviw
11-05-2010, 01:01 PM
Yes, only our shots consist of handoffs.

OMG! You mean the team's biggest strength and the best rushing unit in the NFL is putting the ball in the endzone?

Count Alex's Losses
11-05-2010, 02:05 PM
ranks 11th in the NFL with a very respectable 90.4 rating.

Most Chiefs fans may not know that Cassel leads the NFL in 3rd down passer rating at 108.9

Welcome to the board.

You're a fucking moron.

Cassel is horrible on third down. He's near the bottom of the league in completion percentage on third down, which is why the Chiefs are one of the WORST third-down teams in the entire league.

Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, by the way, lead the NFL's 2nd and 6th ranked third-down offenses, and complete better than 57 percent of their passes on third down.

Don't ever bring up quarterback rating in defense of Matt Cassel ever again. It is completely irrelevant to success.

Chiefnj2
11-05-2010, 02:21 PM
Welcome to the board.

You're a ****ing moron.

Cassel is horrible on third down. He's near the bottom of the league in completion percentage on third down, which is why the Chiefs are one of the WORST third-down teams in the entire league.

Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, by the way, lead the NFL's 2nd and 6th ranked third-down offenses, and complete better than 57 percent of their passes on third down.

Don't ever bring up quarterback rating in defense of Matt Cassel ever again. It is completely irrelevant to success.

Why are you comparing Cassel to two of the best QBs to ever play the game?

wilc4
11-05-2010, 02:21 PM
Welcome to the board.

You're a ****ing moron.


Wow - nevermind posting here...some welcome...bye

Count Alex's Losses
11-05-2010, 02:26 PM
Why are you comparing Cassel to two of the best QBs to ever play the game?

Because some other idiot dared to.

Molitoth
11-05-2010, 02:27 PM
Wow - nevermind posting here...some welcome...bye

wow, someone has some thick skin.

jspchief
11-05-2010, 02:33 PM
Wow - nevermind posting here...some welcome...byeYea, wrong place for "he's a swell guy" type of posts.

Pawnmower
11-05-2010, 02:57 PM
I agree that there are people here are so eager to be proved right that they seem to prefer it over the Chiefs' success. However, the motivation of a few egotistical douchebags doesn't have anything to do with what is happening on the field. And truthfully, I would argue that some people around here are so eager to see those douchebags eat crow, they are choosing to ignore what's right in front of their faces.


This is a very good post.

One extreme is JUST as bad as the other IMO. That is my problem with the article the OP linked to. Claiming we can't win is just stupid IMO. Going overboard with the hate post after post after post is just as bad as never acknowledging the flaws that Matt Cassel has.

Both extremes are equally ignorant / simplistic.

Pawnmower
11-05-2010, 03:06 PM
Of course, we could all be like GoChiefs and make our final assessments and predicitions in Week 9.

Week 9? That is giving him too much credit. All he did was copypasta the same old regurgitated garbage I have been seeing since April.

There is no logic to any of this...

If he wants to Cassel gone ASAp, what is our option? I'd really like to know. Pioli / Haley have done a beautiful job with this team thus far...Why does this moron not have the confidence in them to make a change at QB when it needs to be done? I just have to laugh at this simple minded idiot whose writing is seriously about 11th grade level thinking that he knows better than Pioli / Haley / Weiss etc etc when to pull the trigger on personnel moves.

In all honesty it is a joke, and if he represents WPI...that place must be a pile of shit.

Pawnmower
11-05-2010, 03:15 PM
For the record: I don’t believe Cassel is capable of winning this game.


Well if you believe we aren't "capable" of winning this game, then why do you vote for a 40% chance to win here:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=9494


That is contradictory. Not capable would be a 0% chance. I can just imagine you sitting in your parents house, in your room secretly hoping we lose this game so you can be 'right' about Matt Cassel but then if we win you will be the 1st person to point out that you knew we had a good chance (40%) to win the game...

What a ****ing joke.

DaneMcCloud
11-05-2010, 03:19 PM
This team will only go as far as Matt Cassel can take them.

The #1 rushing team, the #5 point allowed, the return game, blah, blah, blah mean absolutely nothing if when the game is on the line, the QB fails.

Last week, the Chiefs were extremely lucky to win. The wind, Haley's timeout, etc. That happens in football and can actually happen from time to time. But luck won't consistently win games for a team.

The Chiefs lost in Houston because Cassel couldn't lead the team to a first down with 3:40 seconds left, giving Houston a chance to go ahead. When the Chiefs had an extremely small chance to win the game, IF every play had worked to perfection, Cassel shit himself with three straight incompletions and a sack.

The bottom line is this: The Chiefs are FAR more competitive this season than anyone outside of a yearly 10-6 homer could have imagined. The Chiefs are competing week in and week out and if that continues in the next nine games, they'll have a chance to compete in the playoffs.

But at some point in time, the Chiefs WILL need Cassel to play a large role in the offense and if he fails, the running game and defense won't be able to bail him out.

DaneMcCloud
11-05-2010, 03:19 PM
Why are you comparing Cassel to two of the best QBs to ever play the game?

Maybe because his pay grade is evenly matched?

Count Alex's Losses
11-05-2010, 03:20 PM
Well if you believe we aren't "capable" of winning this game, then why do you vote for a 40% chance to win here:


There is a difference between "we" and "Cassel."

Chocolate Hog
11-05-2010, 03:21 PM
This team will only go as far as Matt Cassel can take them.

The #1 rushing team, the #5 point allowed, the return game, blah, blah, blah mean absolutely nothing if when the game is on the line, the QB fails.

Last week, the Chiefs were extremely lucky to win. The wind, Haley's timeout, etc. That happens in football and can actually happen from time to time. But luck won't consistently win games for a team.

The Chiefs lost in Houston because Cassel couldn't lead the team to a first down with 3:40 seconds left, giving Houston a chance to go ahead. When the Chiefs had an extremely small chance to win the game, IF every play had worked to perfection, Cassel shit himself with three straight incompletions and a sack.

The bottom line is this: The Chiefs are FAR more competitive this season than anyone outside of a yearly 10-6 homer could have imagined. The Chiefs are competing week in and week out and if that continues in the next nine games, they'll have a chance to compete in the playoffs.

But at some point in time, the Chiefs WILL need Cassel to play a large role in the offense and if he fails, the running game and defense won't be able to bail him out.

This reminds me of year 2 of Herm going out to Oakland for a big game we needed Huard to play great. We ended up winning the ugliest game ever 12-9.

Count Alex's Losses
11-05-2010, 03:23 PM
Why does this moron not have the confidence in them to make a change at QB when it needs to be done?

We don't have any reason to believe they will make a change at quarterback.

I guess we'll see.

As for the rest of this, I'm just building a case against Cassel. That's certainly more productive than just sticking one's head in the sand and saying THE CHIEFS ARE IN FIRST PLACE! EVERYTHING IS JUST SWELL!

kysirsoze
11-05-2010, 03:38 PM
Wow - nevermind posting here...some welcome...bye

LMAO

FishingRod
11-05-2010, 03:48 PM
I think he is a fine backup QB that can come in and do an adequate job should our Franchise QB become injured. We just need the franchise QB to put in front of him.

Pablo
11-05-2010, 04:05 PM
Wow - nevermind posting here...some welcome...byeWe hardly knew ye...

the Talking Can
11-05-2010, 04:32 PM
Wow - nevermind posting here...some welcome...bye

no one cares if you leave


literally no one

Pawnmower
11-05-2010, 06:20 PM
But at some point in time, the Chiefs WILL need Cassel to play a large role in the offense and if he fails, the running game and defense won't be able to bail him out.

This is the sensible, logical view. I have a gut feeling that this time is coming on Sunday and also at Denver. It is time to lay it all out there on the table.

I actually completely agree with Dane here....It is an IF situation...

The article in the OP makes it out to be like we are going to lose for sure on Sunday...I have seen no evidence for this. The Vegas game odds, Over-under, DVOA, actual game statistics, injuries...etc...Everything all points to a 21-17ish type of running / defensively oriented game.

If that holds true we have a decent chance of coming through with a W since that is precisely how this team is constructed.

I can kind of understand the frustration and limbo with what seems like a heavy leash on Matty, but at some point they're going to take the leash off. Only then will we know if the dog can hunt or not. And I do believe that time is upon us.

Count Alex's Losses
11-05-2010, 06:27 PM
Everything all points to a 21-17ish type of running / defensively oriented game.


That doesn't mean the quarterback can't make plays that have a huge impact on the game.

Pawnmower
11-05-2010, 06:29 PM
That doesn't mean the quarterback can't make plays that have a huge impact on the game.

Who said he wouldn't?

Oh wait you did.

I mean you are just too simple minded in your thinking....Just because someone says a team or a game is 'run oriented' or 'defense oriented' doesn't mean they think there will be zero passing plays...

I don't even understand your point.

Count Alex's Losses
11-05-2010, 06:30 PM
Who said he wouldn't?

Oh wait you did.

I have no doubt he will fuck it up.

Pawnmower
11-05-2010, 06:37 PM
I have no doubt he will **** it up.

So which is it...

Are we 'not capable' of winning this game?

Or do we Have a 40% chance to win?

What is your definition of 'fuck it up' anyhow? Make a couple of bad throws? If we get a W and he has a decent game but takes a sack or two or throws a pick will you say he fucked it up still?

Count Alex's Losses
11-05-2010, 06:45 PM
So which is it...

Are we 'not capable' of winning this game?

Or do we Have a 40% chance to win?

CASSEL is not capable of winning the game. The team might carry him to victory.

At no point do I expect him to lead them to a victory.


What is your definition of 'fuck it up' anyhow? Make a couple of bad throws? If we get a W and he has a decent game but takes a sack or two or throws a pick will you say he fucked it up still?

Danger Matt works in mysterious ways....he might bust out a left-handed INT this game...you never know.

milkman
11-05-2010, 06:49 PM
OMG! You mean the team's biggest strength and the best rushing unit in the NFL is putting the ball in the endzone?

This is now, more than ever, a QB driven league.

When it's time to play agianst the big boys, running the ball and playing defense can not, any longer, win games against teams with credible QB play.

SBs will not be won by the likes of Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer anymore.

And those guys were better QBs than Cassel.

Pawnmower
11-05-2010, 06:49 PM
CASSEL is not capable of winning the game. The team might carry him to victory.


Look, I know you're a complete ****ing idiot but let me explain a couple of things. I will try to use small words and sentences.

1) If the Chiefs win Matt Cassel gets a W also

2) The Chiefs Can't win without Matty also getting a W

3) Football is a team sport

4) 0% does not equal 40%

5) Either Matt Cassel has a 0% chance to win (as you said) or the Chiefs have a 40% chance to win (as you also said)

5a) The items in 5 are mutually exclusive, and thus make no sense.

6) You are a ****ing moron.

CrazyHorse
11-05-2010, 06:50 PM
I agree that there are people here are so eager to be proved right that they seem to prefer it over the Chiefs' success. However, the motivation of a few egotistical douchebags doesn't have anything to do with what is happening on the field. And truthfully, I would argue that some people around here are so eager to see those douchebags eat crow, they are choosing to ignore what's right in front of their faces.

Right now Matt Cassel is the 2003 Chiefs defense. We all know that we are getting lucky with the way he's playing, and want to gloss over it because it's no fun to complain when you're winning. The problem is many of us fear that once that weak spot loses it's lucky streak, like 2003, things will fall apart quickly.

To me, the "but we're 5-2" argument is the same as 2003's "but we're 9-0, 9-1, 10-1, 11-1, 11-2, etc" argument... and sadly I fear it will end in the same manner.

What is to be gained by all your mid season "complaining"? Thats the point.

milkman
11-05-2010, 06:51 PM
Wow - nevermind posting here...some welcome...bye

Don't let the door hit ya......

Count Alex's Losses
11-05-2010, 06:54 PM
LMAO

MATT CASSEL IS THE WORST QB EVER. ARMAGEDDON WILL SOON RAIN DOWN ON ALL CHIEFS FANS.

biggest issues i have with matt cassel:

1) responsible for increase in rich-poor gap

2) number one killer of infants in America AND ALSO THE WORLD

3) ruined the series finale of LOST with his shoddy script writing

4) MATT CASSEL KILLED KENNEDY AND THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T BELIEVE ME DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL.

milkman
11-05-2010, 06:56 PM
Look, I know you're a complete ****ing idiot but let me explain a couple of things. I will try to use small words and sentences.

1) If the Chiefs win Matt Cassel gets a W also

2) The Chiefs Can't win without Matty also getting a W

3) Football is a team sport

4) 0% does not equal 40%

5) Either Matt Cassel has a 0% chance to win (as you said) or the Chiefs have a 40% chance to win (as you also said)

5a) The items in 5 are mutually exclusive, and thus make no sense.

6) You are a ****ing moron.

You're being obtuse.

CrazyHorse
11-05-2010, 06:57 PM
We don't have any reason to believe they will make a change at quarterback.

I guess we'll see.

As for the rest of this, I'm just building a case against Cassel.

Ahhh hahahahaha .......haaaaaa hahahaha...........ehhh.

:sniff:

Like anybody takes you ****in seriously.


Ahhhhhhh hahahahahaha.

Building a case.ROFL


Damn.

milkman
11-05-2010, 06:59 PM
What is to be gained by all your mid season "complaining"? Thats the point.

Nothing, except the simple release of frustration.

What are you gaining by bitching about the posts complaining about our weak link?

Pawnmower
11-05-2010, 07:02 PM
You're being obtuse.

I was going for an Isosceles...damn. Back to the drawing board.

CrazyHorse
11-05-2010, 07:25 PM
Nothing, except the simple release of frustration.

What are you gaining by bitching about the posts complaining about our weak link?

Nothing it would seem.

Whats it going to take to get your "release"? Wasting an entire season for yourself? Not to mention the effect your 24 hour 7 day tirades have on those that choose to handle thier frustration a dfifferent way. Jesus it's as bad as the Sanchez BS. Mostly the same players too. (like nobody sees through that shit)

You're just making excuses for being a chronic whiner and pain in the ass.

Instead of whining about someone elses negative effects, when do you look in the mirror and take responsibility for yours? Because you select few are "dangerous" to the rest of us enjoying this forum.

Count Alex's Losses
11-05-2010, 07:28 PM
Who's bitchier, the one who bitches or the one who bitches about the one who bitches?

In the end we're all a bunch of bitches.

milkman
11-05-2010, 07:30 PM
Nothing it would seem.

Whats it going to take to get your "release"? Wasting an entire season for yourself? Not to mention the effect your 24 hour 7 day tirades have on those that choose to handle thier frustration a dfifferent way. Jesus it's as bad as the Sanchez BS. Mostly the same players too. (like nobody sees through that shit)

You're just making excuses for being a chronic whiner and pain in the ass.

Instead of whining about someone elses negative effects, when do you look in the mirror and take responsibility for yours? Because you select few are "dangerous" to the rest of us enjoying this forum.

You got a problem with the "chronic whining", put us on ignore, or GTFO.

Your chioce, I don't care.

Either way, I am not here for your amusement.

I'm here for mine.

CrazyHorse
11-05-2010, 07:38 PM
You got a problem with the "chronic whining", put us on ignore, or GTFO.

Your chioce, I don't care.

Either way, I am not here for your amusement.

I'm here for mine.

Yeah, you come across like you're having a great time. lol

CrazyHorse
11-05-2010, 07:41 PM
Who's bitchier, the one who bitches or the one who bitches about the one who bitches?

In the end we're all a bunch of bitches.

Im attempting to lend perspective. I know its wasted on you. Nothing in your life is based in reality, boba fettROFL. But thought perhaps milkman was salvageable.

Count Alex's Losses
11-05-2010, 07:41 PM
Im attempting to lend perspective. I know its wasted on you. Nothing in your life is based in reality, boba fettROFL. But thought perhaps milkman was salvageable.

I'm just glad you're here so we can bask in your superiority.

milkman
11-05-2010, 07:42 PM
Yeah, you come across like you're having a great time. lol

I do enjoy watching you, and others like you, cry.

milkman
11-05-2010, 07:48 PM
Im attempting to lend perspective. I know its wasted on you. Nothing in your life is based in reality, boba fettROFL. But thought perhaps milkman was salvageable.

Some, if not most, of us that complain about Cassel recognize the fact that we are stuck with him for the remainder of this year, and very possibly longer.

We also recognize that there isn't an actual viable option sitting on teh bench behind him, which certainly includes Croyle.

But that doesn't change the fact that Cassel would have to look up to see mediocre, and I am not going to sit here and blow sunshine up anyone's ass about that, nor am I going to simply ignore it.

This is a place for me to discuss my team, both the good and the bad, and since the worst of this team is the most important position on the field, it will be the center of many discussions.

To expect anything less is delusional.

Earthling
11-05-2010, 07:50 PM
Wow - nevermind posting here...some welcome...bye

Rep !

Earthling
11-05-2010, 07:57 PM
All I know is the Chiefs are 5-2 and looking good. Its exciting to watch them again and I could give a fuck how they win as long as they keep moving the chains.

CrazyHorse
11-05-2010, 07:59 PM
I do enjoy watching you, and others like you, cry.

Well, "crying" may be a little strong. Ironic and strong.

You've been crying for months. Is it possible your vision is clouded?

CrazyHorse
11-05-2010, 08:02 PM
Some, if not most, of us that complain about Cassel recognize the fact that we are stuck with him for the remainder of this year, and very possibly longer.

We also recognize that there isn't an actual viable option sitting on teh bench behind him, which certainly includes Croyle.

But that doesn't change the fact that Cassel would have to look up to see mediocre, and I am not going to sit here and blow sunshine up anyone's ass about that, nor am I going to simply ignore it.

This is a place for me to discuss my team, both the good and the bad, and since the worst of this team is the most important position on the field, it will be the center of many discussions.

To expect anything less is delusional.

Okee dokee.

The whining will continue, and you have no wish to control it. Gotcha.

Thats your choice friend.

milkman
11-05-2010, 08:02 PM
Well, "crying" may be a little strong. Ironic and strong.

You've been crying for months. Is it possible your vision is clouded?

I'm making honest observations about the QB.

You're bitching about those observations.

That's crying.

milkman
11-05-2010, 08:04 PM
Okee dokee.

The whining will continue, and you have no wish to control it. Gotcha.

Thats your choice friend.

Yes, it is my choice.

If you don't like it, that's your problem.

CrazyHorse
11-05-2010, 08:05 PM
I'm just glad you're here so we can bask in your superiority.

You say we. But I have a feeling that you speak for a very low percentage of people who come in contact with you.

Of course, I could be wrong.:shake:

CrazyHorse
11-05-2010, 08:06 PM
Yes, it is my choice.

If you don't like it, that's your problem.

No problem. Whine on.:)

CrazyHorse
11-05-2010, 08:09 PM
I'm making honest observations about the QB. Over and over and over and over and over and over. Thats whining.

And over