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Amnorix
11-05-2010, 11:55 AM
Interesting. Top ranked current coach is Belichick, at 12. I'll be honest, I would've put him much higher. Like third.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/500844-nfl-history-50-greatest-head-coaches-of-all-time#page/51

1. Paul Brown
2. Vince Lombardi
3. Don Shula
4. Chuck Noll (too high)
5. Bill Walsh (too low)
6. Tom Landry
7. Curly Lambeau
8. George Halas
9. Hank Stram
10. Bud Grant (too high)
11. George Allen (too high)
12. Bill Belichick (too low)
13. Bill Parcells
14. Tony Dungy (too high)
15. Joe Gibbs (too low)
16. Weeb Ewbank
17. Bill Cowher (too high)
18. Chuck Knox
19. John Madden
20. Mike Ditka
21. Steve Owen (coached in the 1930s)
22. Jimmy Johnson (too low)
23. Sid Gillman
24. George Seifort
25. Don Coryell (too high for HC, though he was a great OC)
26. Marv Levy
27. Mike Holmgren
28. Tom Flores
29. Dan Reeves
30. Ray Flaherty (coached in 30s/40s)
31. Mike Shanahan
32. Blanton Collier (coached in the 60s)
33. Dennis Green
34. Greasy Neale (coached ine the 40s)
35. Bum Phillips
36. Guy Chamberlain
37. Dick Vermeil
38. Potsy Clark
39. Marty Schottenheimer
40. Sam Wyche
[two guys you never heard of]
43. Tom Coughlin
44. John Gruden
45. Andy Reid
[someone from the stone age]
47. Brian Billick
48. Jim Mora
49. Jeff Fisher
50. Sam Rutigliano (mostly for being a great guy)

Rudy lost the toss
11-05-2010, 11:58 AM
Dungy at 14?

Oh my

Amnorix
11-05-2010, 11:59 AM
So I like the first two, and in that order. The way NFL teams do things now -- training camps and all that stuff -- is mostly because of what Paul Brown instituted. He was also a tremendous innovator in terms of formations, etc.

I'll then go with Bill Walsh at 3, Belichick 4, Noll 5, Shula 6, then I'm not sure I'm too fussed about how you mix Landry/Gibbs/Lambeau/Halas at 7-10. Then something like Parcells, Stram, Jimmy Johnson, Allen, and go from there.

Demonpenz
11-05-2010, 12:01 PM
Paul brown wouldn't even cross my mind for the top 50. I know little about him.

Von Dumbass
11-05-2010, 12:02 PM
Shanahan should be in the top 10.

Amnorix
11-05-2010, 12:08 PM
Paul brown wouldn't even cross my mind for the top 50. I know little about him.

He's the greatest NFL head coach ever. He just wasn't as fiery/exciting of a personality as Lombardi, so he's a bit less famous. Lombardi may have been the best ever motivator of players, but Brown was the best coach.

His bio, in brief:

Founder of the Cleveland Browns and Cincinnati Bengals. It's why the Browns are called the Browns, and why the Bengals play at Paul Brown Stadium.

He integrated the old AAFC, which later merged with the NFL, bringing in its first AFrican-American players.

After merging with the NFL:

However, in their very first official NFL game, the Browns dismantled the two-time defending champion Philadelphia Eagles (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Philadelphia_Eagles) 35–10, putting up 487 yards of total offense, 346 of them in the air. They won the NFL Championship (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/NFL_Championship) in their first year, defeating the Rams in the title game on December 24 on a last-minute field goal by Lou Groza (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Lou_Groza). This 1950 NFL championship gave Brown the distinction of being the first head coach to win a college national championship and an NFL championship, Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer later winning college championships and Super Bowls. The Browns went on to appear in the next five title games, winning back-to-back titles in 1954 and 1955.

Brown was a great innovator during his time in Cleveland. He was the first to use intelligence tests to judge players, establish a game film library, instruct players in a classroom setting, use a radio transmitter to communicate with players on the field, and install face masks (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/w/index.php?title=Face_masks&action=edit&redlink=1) on helmets (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Football_helmet) (At the professional level. Many players in college attached crude forms of face masks on their helmets before Brown.). Another innovation was the use of "messenger guards" to relay plays from the sidelines after the radio proved problematic due to the technology then available. The offense directed by Graham was the predecessor of the West Coast offense (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/West_Coast_offense) made famous by Bill Walsh (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Bill_Walsh_(football_coach)), a protégé of Brown.

alpha_omega
11-05-2010, 12:09 PM
Where's Herm?....

JK.

Amnorix
11-05-2010, 12:10 PM
Shanahan should be in the top 10.

Not that high, though higher than 31, in my book. Probably mid 20s. We'll see how he does with the Redskins, however. He inherited Elway and really struggled to do much of anything without him.

Pablo
11-05-2010, 12:12 PM
Dungy at 14?

Oh myI guess when you're gifted one of the greatest QB's of all time you really gotta coach 'em up.

Amnorix
11-05-2010, 12:26 PM
I guess when you're gifted one of the greatest QB's of all time you really gotta coach 'em up.

Heh. Don't forget, though, that he had some phenomenal teams at Tampa Bay, which admittedly never did well in the playoffs, but those were still very good teams with (usually) mediocre QBs.

He'd be ON the list, but at 14? Above Joe f'ing Gibbs?!?! NFW.

JohninGpt
11-05-2010, 12:27 PM
Shanahan should be in the top 10.

Just ask anyone in the DC area.

Really, him and Dungy got lucky in having great QB's.

L.A. Chieffan
11-05-2010, 12:28 PM
Where's Haley? He should be about 3 or 4

Demonpenz
11-05-2010, 12:29 PM
Fisher should be higher up because he has a mustache

Psyko Tek
11-05-2010, 12:41 PM
Where's Haley? He should be about 3 or 4

after sunday they will redo the list

blaise
11-05-2010, 12:43 PM
Marv Levy should be above Tony Dungy.

Douche Baggins
11-05-2010, 12:43 PM
Tony Dungy shouldn't even be on the list, what a joke.

Others I question: Brian Billick, Jon Gruden, Jim Mora.

TrebMaxx
11-05-2010, 12:45 PM
I don't understand Dennis Green being on that list.

Demonpenz
11-05-2010, 12:47 PM
they are who they that they were. and we let them off the hook.

Brock
11-05-2010, 12:53 PM
Tony Dungy shouldn't even be on the list, what a joke.

Others I question: Brian Billick, Jon Gruden, Jim Mora.

None of those guys belong there.

King_Chief_Fan
11-05-2010, 12:55 PM
Shanahan should be in the top 10.

we are not too surprised you think that

blaise
11-05-2010, 12:59 PM
Shanahan should be in the top 10.

Josh McDaniels should be in the bottom 10 of all time.

Amnorix
11-05-2010, 12:59 PM
Shanahan should be in the top 10.

McDaniels top 25 yet, you think?