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siberian khatru
11-07-2010, 06:28 PM
I mean, WTF?

suds79
11-07-2010, 06:31 PM
Who's Jacoby Ford?

A rookie who has Chris Johnson speed and simply ran past our best defensive player with no safety help over the top.

All day long.

Brandon's got the skills to cover him but I doubt there's more than 2-3 CBs in the league who are as fast as Ford. No adjustments from the coaches.

Wreckloose
11-07-2010, 06:31 PM
He's fast. I'm not that upset with Flowers.

googlegoogle
11-07-2010, 06:32 PM
Weren't we going to draft him?

Bane
11-07-2010, 06:32 PM
Who was Miles Austin before they played KC?

LaChapelle
11-07-2010, 06:32 PM
Someone would should steal away

Direckshun
11-07-2010, 06:33 PM
He was a world class sprinter at Clemson.

Listen, Flowers getting burnt by this guy OVER AND OVER AGAIN has more to do with Crennel than it does Flowers.

The island is a game of matchups. If you have a bad matchup, you need to adjust.

Flowers guarding somebody that much faster than him without safety help is like having Flowers guarding Antonio Gates without a bracket in front of him. It's poor game management by Crennel.

But, really, this entire game was poor game management by basically everyone.

Deberg_1990
11-07-2010, 06:33 PM
Who the hell is Verran Tucker?

Reerun_KC
11-07-2010, 06:34 PM
I was shocked just shocked that they left flowers on an Island with this kid when the game was on the line.

Flowers was pedesterian like while the Ford went on by...

Douche Baggins
11-07-2010, 06:34 PM
A talented rookie receiver.

Too bad ours was hurt.

Not that he'll ever have a 100 yard game this year.

*PIOLI BASH THREAD BEGINS*

siberian khatru
11-07-2010, 06:35 PM
Yeah, and he picked US to have his fucking coming-out party. Because he hasn't done shit before today.

Was he playing (WR) only because Murphy was out?

googlegoogle
11-07-2010, 06:35 PM
NFL Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Draft): 2010 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NFL_Draft) / Round: 4 / Pick: 108


Chiefs traded up and took Moeaki.

KCSupersized
11-07-2010, 06:35 PM
He played out of his mind today!

KCrockaholic
11-07-2010, 06:35 PM
Jacoby Ford was a good player before this game. If anyone watched Clemson they know what he's capable of.

Rams Fan
11-07-2010, 06:36 PM
He had the fastest 40 time at the combine(well, 2nd fastest officially but Mays was slower than him, but they clocked him for some reason as being faster).

Ralphy Boy
11-07-2010, 06:37 PM
Someone the Raiders were destined to take. (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=6663744&postcount=43)
Draft goes as follows
1 STL Bradford
2 DET Suh
3 TAM McCoy
4 WAS Okung
5 CLE Berry (via trade)
6 SEA Trent Williams
7 KC...if Clausen is there and they aren't going to take him anyway, try to swing another trade with Buffalo. BUF takes Clausen
8 OAK Who the f@ck knows, probably someone like Jacoby Ford
9 KC Dan Williams



One of the fastest times at the combine. Played opposite of CJ Spiller at Clemson, so the light rarely shined on his skills. Very talented though. I wasn't too happy to see him end up in Oakland.

siberian khatru
11-07-2010, 06:47 PM
Jacoby Ford was a good player before this game. If anyone watched Clemson they know what he's capable of.

Why the fuck would I watch Clemson?

Look, I'm drinking on an empty stomach here because the Chiefs killed my appetite (too bad, too, because I made a nice dinner of steak tips in balsamic vinegar with ... oh, never mind). So excuse my pissed-offedness.

But I don't give a fuck what he did in college and I don't give a fuck how good a track athlete he is. Lots of guys were good in college, and I've seen plenty of track-speed guys flame out in the NFL.

The bottom line is he hadn't done shit in the NFL before today, and he chose US to have his coming out party.

So fuck him.

googlegoogle
11-07-2010, 06:47 PM
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RaiderNation20
11-07-2010, 06:51 PM
Jacoby Ford is one of the fastest guys in the NFL and he shows he got some hands. Raiders are depleted at the Wrs position right now, Ford just getting playing time and showing his skills, he made some big plays last week

KCrockaholic
11-07-2010, 06:55 PM
Jacoby Ford is one of the fastest guys in the NFL and he shows he got some hands. Raiders are depleted at the Wrs position right now, Ford just getting playing time and showing his skills, he made some big plays last week

Yeah, actually I'm surprised people here don't know who he is.

It was evident last week that he could be a good player, and he got the start this week and took over the game. He won the game for oakland by himself. Other than Bowe giving the game away.

BossChief
11-07-2010, 06:57 PM
Hes the guy I took in the middle of the third round in the CP mock draft for Atlanta.

Some of the guys I took are already making an impact in the league. Others I missed on almost completely, but such is to be expected with draft picks:

Steelers draft

Rolando McClain
Amari Spivey
Torell Troup
Dan Lefevour
Vince Oghobaase
Antonio Coleman
Micah Johnson
Thomas Austin


Atlanta Draft

Sean Witherspoon
(Tony Gonzales)
Jacoby Ford
Syd'Quan Thompson
Anthony Dixon
Tony Moeaki
Aaron Pettrey

Mr. Laz
11-07-2010, 06:59 PM
one of the guys i wanted to draft........

googlegoogle
11-07-2010, 07:02 PM
one of the guys i wanted to draft........

me too:doh!:

S&BJW
11-07-2010, 07:03 PM
As I stated earlier in the week, this was almost a Raiders B team. Ford is playing because Schillens/Murphy are both out. Throw in Miller being out and you have a woeful WR core that still managed to come up when it counted.

#1 QB Grads wasn`t in the picture and Campbell was awful most of the day.

and there`s Aso......

But the Raiders still won.....and I`m pretty much lovin` it right now. Bye next week and hopefully we`ll have more starters than benchers playing...

TheGuardian
11-07-2010, 07:04 PM
I don't know but I hope he blows both knees out at some point.

KCrockaholic
11-07-2010, 07:07 PM
As I stated earlier in the week, this was almost a Raiders B team. Ford is playing because Schillens/Murphy are both out. Throw in Miller being out and you have a woeful WR core that still managed to come up when it counted.

#1 QB Grads wasn`t in the picture and Campbell was awful most of the day.

and there`s Aso......

But the Raiders still won.....and I`m pretty much lovin` it right now. Bye next week and hopefully we`ll have more starters than benchers playing...

Enjoy the win while you can. Remember this divisional thing always splits. The Faiders will lose the playoff implicated game in week 17.

RaiderNation20
11-07-2010, 07:07 PM
As I stated earlier in the week, this was almost a Raiders B team. Ford is playing because Schillens/Murphy are both out. Throw in Miller being out and you have a woeful WR core that still managed to come up when it counted.

#1 QB Grads wasn`t in the picture and Campbell was awful most of the day.

and there`s Aso......

But the Raiders still won.....and I`m pretty much lovin` it right now. Bye next week and hopefully we`ll have more starters than benchers playing...

Gradkowski, Nnamdi, Zach Miller, Louis Murphy, Chaz Schilling, Rolando Mcclain, Tvvone Branch dam still pulled it out

TheGuardian
11-07-2010, 07:09 PM
Gradkowski, Nnamdi, Zach Miller, Louis Murphy, Chaz Schilling, Rolando Mcclain, Tvvone Branch dam still pulled it out

On some hail mary plays, sure.

I picked the Raiders to win. We're still in the drivers seat while the Raiders have to play Pittsburgh and Indy. So enjoy it while you can. It won't last long.

KCrockaholic
11-07-2010, 07:14 PM
On some hail mary plays, sure.

I picked the Raiders to win. We're still in the drivers seat while the Raiders have to play Pittsburgh and Indy. So enjoy it while you can. It won't last long.

I'll say this...If the raiders can beat EITHER Pittsburgh or Indy they are a true contender for the playoffs.

But I don't think they can do that.

I might actually have respect for the team if they can win against Indy. We've already seen Pittsburgh fold like bitches when the pressure is on.

RAIDER951
11-07-2010, 07:25 PM
Ford posted the fastest 40 at the combine and was taken in the 3rd round. He's been seeing more playing time with Murphy out and is making the best of his opportunity.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/jacoby--ford?id=497288

BossChief
11-07-2010, 07:29 PM
You know what one of the knocks on Jacoby Fords was?

That he only runs deep routes.

Like the ones that helped beat us today over and over when they matched him up against our best corner that HIS biggest knock predraft was his lacking deep speed.

Its a shame that we couldn't get Flowers some safety help after the first deep ball.

SNR
11-07-2010, 07:35 PM
Who was Miles Austin before they played KC?Miles Austin had established himself on the Cowboys for two seasons prior to raping us. This guy came out of nowhere.

KCrockaholic
11-07-2010, 07:37 PM
Miles Austin had established himself on the Cowboys for two seasons prior to raping us. This guy came out of nowhere.

I don't know about "established" himself. It was Austin's first start of his career in that game.

Jacoby Ford is a rookie. He could break out any week, and then screw the pooch the next. He won't be a consistent threat like Austin but he's a great guy to have as a slot receiver.

Bwana
11-07-2010, 07:37 PM
The guy that earns his keep. Bowe, are you taking notes, stone hands.

DBOSHO
11-07-2010, 07:38 PM
Bowe dropped what, 1 pass?

And a difficult one at that.

R@ID3R4LIF3
11-07-2010, 07:38 PM
On some hail mary plays, sure.

I picked the Raiders to win. We're still in the drivers seat while the Raiders have to play Pittsburgh and Indy. So enjoy it while you can. It won't last long.

Must make you feel good to squeak out wins against prob one of the easiest schedules in the NFL.

DBOSHO
11-07-2010, 07:38 PM
Bowe dropped what, 1 pass?

And a difficult one at that.

KCrockaholic
11-07-2010, 07:39 PM
The guy that earns his keep. Bowe, are you taking notes, stone hands.

We need to deactivate Bowe. He's a hopeless case. I want a guy that knows how to step up and make a play in a clutch situation. I'd rather have a Terrence Copper type guy who doesn't do much on offense, but if he knows how to makes plays in clutch situations he's worth having.

Bwana
11-07-2010, 07:44 PM
We need to deactivate Bowe. He's a hopeless case. I want a guy that knows how to step up and make a play in a clutch situation. I'd rather have a Terrence Copper type guy who doesn't do much on offense, but if he knows how to makes plays in clutch situations he's worth having.

Exactly

R@ID3R4LIF3
11-07-2010, 07:45 PM
Bowe dropped what, 1 pass?

And a difficult one at that.

And Bowe had what all of one catch in the 2nd half?

Deberg_1990
11-07-2010, 07:47 PM
We need to deactivate Bowe. He's a hopeless case. I want a guy that knows how to step up and make a play in a clutch situation. I'd rather have a Terrence Copper type guy who doesn't do much on offense, but if he knows how to makes plays in clutch situations he's worth having.

YOu mean like Verran Tucker? That was once HELL of a TD catch.

BossChief
11-07-2010, 07:48 PM
We need to deactivate Bowe. He's a hopeless case. I want a guy that knows how to step up and make a play in a clutch situation. I'd rather have a Terrence Copper type guy who doesn't do much on offense, but if he knows how to makes plays in clutch situations he's worth having.

hahahaha

NOT exactly

Bowe has 7 touchdowns in 8 games.

"deactivate him" ROFL

He may not be Larry Fitzgerald, but he is part of the reason we are 5-3.

His drop on third down killed us today, but its not like it was a cakewalk catch to make either.

KCrockaholic
11-07-2010, 07:50 PM
hahahaha

NOT exactly

Bowe has 7 touchdowns in 8 games.

"deactivate him" ROFL

He may not be Larry Fitzgerald, but he is part of the reason we are 5-3.

His drop on third down killed us today, but its not like it was a cakewalk catch to make either.

Deactivate him for 1 game to get his mind right. It has worked with DJ. DJ and Bowe are very similar players. You take away what they love and they will come back and do even better the next time.

And they are both extremely inconsistent. I want a consistent player that is reliable. Bowe is the opposite of that.

JBL
11-07-2010, 07:58 PM
Jacoby is a fine player that put you all in your place!

KCrockaholic
11-07-2010, 08:02 PM
Jacoby is a fine player that put you all in your place!

JFC. They win a game and we just accumulate more trolls.

BossChief
11-07-2010, 08:04 PM
Deactivate him for 1 game to get his mind right. It has worked with DJ. DJ and Bowe are very similar players. You take away what they love and they will come back and do even better the next time.

And they are both extremely inconsistent. I want a consistent player that is reliable. Bowe is the opposite of that.

Dude, Im pretty sure Bowe has a TD catch in each of our last 4 or 5 games straight.

He has been consistent, you just cant win em all.

He ran the route right, came back to the ball and dove at it and just couldnt make the catch...it happens to the best of em.

KCrockaholic
11-07-2010, 08:06 PM
Dude, Im pretty sure Bowe has a TD catch in each of our last 4 or 5 games straight.

He has been consistent, you just cant win em all.

He ran the route right, came back to the ball and dove at it and just couldnt make the catch...it happens to the best of em.

And that play cost the Chiefs this game. The route is set up that way, Cassel threw an ok pass. Not perfect, but it was very catchable.

He has to know how to win games when they are on the line.

I'm just tired of Bowe costing the Chiefs wins. He's done it his entire career.

DJ's left nut
11-07-2010, 08:06 PM
Deactivate him for 1 game to get his mind right. It has worked with DJ. DJ and Bowe are very similar players. You take away what they love and they will come back and do even better the next time.

And they are both extremely inconsistent. I want a consistent player that is reliable. Bowe is the opposite of that.

The fuck are you talking about?

Bowe's been one of our best players since the Indy game.

He was okay today and had a horrible drop at a horrible time. That doesn't change the fact that he's still been quite good over the last 4 games.

Should we deactivate Flowers while we're at it?

C'mon folks, stop being stupid when it comes to Dwayne Bowe. He's a very good #2 reciever that's mis-cast as a #1. Just because he's our #1 doesn't mean we have to go batshit crazy when he can't live up to a talent level he simply doesn't have.

Bowe isn't Jerry Rice. He isn't Marvin Harrison. He's going to drop passes and he's going to do so when we wish he wouldn't. Benching him for a game isn't going to do a damn bit of good. Deactivating him for a winnable game (i.e. 'pulling a McDaniels) isn't going to turn him into Don Hutson all of the sudden.

Simma down - you'll live longer.

JBL
11-07-2010, 08:09 PM
JFC. They win a game and we just accumulate more trolls.

No just love the taste of your tears.

DJ's left nut
11-07-2010, 08:10 PM
He has to know how to win games when they are on the line.
I'm just tired of Bowe costing the Chiefs wins. He's done it his entire career.

Why?

Or, more accurately, what makes you think he doesn't?

He's just not an elite WR. He's a good one and good WRs drop balls.

Benching him won't upgrade his talent. It won't suddenly make him better than he is. Benching DJ got him to pay attention and play up to his ability. Dwayne Bowe is playing up to his ability right now.

In fact, he might be playing over it (he's not a 15 TD/season guy).

Stop having unrealistic expectations for a good player that's not a great player and you'll be far less disappointed when he doesn't play like a HOFer.

KCrockaholic
11-07-2010, 08:12 PM
Why?

Or, more accurately, what makes you think he doesn't?

He's just not an elite WR. He's a good one and good WRs drop balls.

Benching him won't upgrade his talent. It won't suddenly make him better than he is. Benching DJ got him to pay attention and play up to his ability. Dwayne Bowe is playing up to his ability right now.

In fact, he might be playing over it (he's not a 15 TD/season guy).

Stop having unrealistic expectations for a good player that's not a great player and you'll be far less disappointed when he doesn't play like a HOFer.

To me it's not about what passes he drops, it's about when he drops the passes. He obviously wasn't fully focused on that play. We need a guy that can be in a zone when a clutch play is needed.

Maybe he shouldn't be deactivated. But maybe we should start planning better for the future at our WR position.

KCrockaholic
11-07-2010, 08:13 PM
No just love the taste of your tears.

No, you're just trolling. If you have something constructive to say, give it a wing.

Iowanian
11-07-2010, 08:15 PM
By now, I'm pretty used to my bad girlfriend turning some no-name into an ESPN Rockstar for a week.


It's Quinn Gray one week, Miles Austin or Ford.

hell, this one time, they knocked Tom Brady out of the game and some douchebag who didn't even play college football came on and threw a 90 yard TD pass.

boogblaster
11-07-2010, 08:15 PM
We need another WR true .. Mc Cluster out hurt us the last two games also .... as far as J Ford he's a lucky MF ......

siberian khatru
11-07-2010, 08:15 PM
No, you're just trolling. If you have something constructive to say, give it a wing.

Love all the "Nov. 2010" sign-ups today.

DJ's left nut
11-07-2010, 08:17 PM
To me it's not about what passes he drops, it's about when he drops the passes. He obviously wasn't fully focused on that play. We need a guy that can be in a zone when a clutch play is needed.

Again - why don't you think he was fully focused? What do you base that on except for the fact that he didn't bring the ball in?

He ran a perfect route, got his separation. He made a great stop around the DB and put himself in a position to catch the ball.

From there he had to slide to the ground and make a catch that's one of pure instinct. No amount of focus in the world was going to change whether or not he has the muscle memory, hand/eye coordination and dexterity required to make that catch on a consistent basis. He didn't overthink it, he didn't underthink it, he didn't run without the ball (like Moeaki). In a play that required a perfect physical response in 1/10th of a second, his body just didn't quite cooperate.

He did everything right except bring the ball in. That tells me the guy was locked in - just not talented enough to make the play.

We have a tendency as fans to mistake a lack of talent for a lack of effort. Bowe's effort on that play wasn't lacking, nor was his focus. He's simply not talented enough to make that play on a consistent basis.

The Chiefs are asking a #2 WR (a very good #2 WR) to be their #1 guy. When that happens, you're going to get incredibly painful drops at incredibly difficult times.

KCrockaholic
11-07-2010, 08:17 PM
Love all the "Nov. 2010" sign-ups today.

Yeah I've noticed as well. Which is why they are trolls! They will stick around for TONIGHT and maybe tomorrow. And then never show up again. Or maybe come back for the Jan 2nd game. But not AFTER the game.

JBL
11-07-2010, 08:18 PM
No, you're just trolling. If you have something constructive to say, give it a wing.

I did he won the game for the Raiders and put the Chiefs in their place. You all have been living in a dream world for quite a while and he helped to give you a wake up call. Even with the softest schedule in the league you won't sniff the playoffs.

KCrockaholic
11-07-2010, 08:19 PM
Again - why don't you think he was fully focused?

He ran a perfect route, got his separation. He made a great stop around the DB and put himself in a position to catch the ball.

From there he had to slide to the ground and make a catch that's one of pure instinct. No amount of focus in the world was going to change whether or not he has the muscle memory, hand/eye coordination and dexterity required to make that catch on a consistent basis. He didn't overthink it, he didn't underthink it, he didn't run without the ball (like Moeaki). In a play that required a perfect physical response in 1/10th of a second, his body just didn't quite cooperate.

He did everything right except bring the ball in. That tells me the guy was locked in - just not talented enough to make the play.

We have a tendency as fans to mistake a lack of talent for a lack of effort. Bowe's effort on that play wasn't lacking, nor was his focus. He's simply not talented enough to make that play on a consistent basis.

The Chiefs are asking a #2 WR (a very good #2 WR) to be their #1 guy. When that happens, you're going to get incredibly painful drops at incredibly difficult times.

It takes focus to make a catch like that. Not talent. Talent gets you in position to catch the ball, but the mind (focus) is what brings it in. A 12 year old could have caught that pass at full focus. But he wouldn't have had the talent to create the separation. Bowe has the talent, just never the focus in key moments.

FWIW one of his negatives before he was drafted was that he lacks concentration and that he might be "dumb".

KCrockaholic
11-07-2010, 08:20 PM
I did he won the game for the Raiders and put the Chiefs in their place. You all have been living in a dream world for quite a while and he helped to give you a wake up call. Even with the softest schedule in the league you won't sniff the playoffs.

commas. Use them.

DJ's left nut
11-07-2010, 08:21 PM
It takes focus to make a catch like that. Not talent. Talent gets you in position to catch the ball, but the mind (focus) is what brings it in. A 12 year old could have caught that pass at full focus. But he wouldn't have had the talent to create the separation. Bowe has the talent, just never the focus in key moments.

That's just wrong. It's just 100% wrong.

That was a talent catch. Focus brings in the simple slant route on 3rd and short. Focus hauls in that deep pass when you have 3 or 4 steps. Focus is what keeps your mind from getting in your own way when you have a moment or two to recognize the gravity of the situation you're facing.

Focus has absolutely nothing to do with a timing route thrown to your back shoulder when you're sliding to the ground below a defender. That's all talent.

That catch was a talent catch - you're seeing what you want to see.

JBL
11-07-2010, 08:22 PM
commas. Use them.

Talent your team needs to use it.

siberian khatru
11-07-2010, 08:22 PM
I did he won the game for the Raiders and put the Chiefs in their place. You all have been living in a dream world for quite a while and he helped to give you a wake up call. Even with the softest schedule in the league you won't sniff the playoffs.

And you were too big a pussy to join the Planet until AFTER your team won.

Pussy. That's what you are. A low-down, trolling PUSSY.

And you won't show up again unless and until the Raiders beat the Chiefs again. You fucking pussy.

Put us in our place? Your team was 4-4 and you STILL didn't join the Planet to talk shit to the Chiefs fans UNTIL your team won.

Pussy. Which is something you are, but not what you get.

KCrockaholic
11-07-2010, 08:25 PM
That's just wrong. It's just 100% wrong.

That was a talent catch. Focus brings in the simple slant route on 3rd and short. Focus hauls in that deep pass when you have 3 or 4 steps. Focus is what keeps your mind from getting in your own way when you have a moment or two to recognize the gravity of the situation you're facing.

Focus has absolutely nothing to do with a timing route thrown to your back shoulder when you're sliding to the ground below a defender. That's all talent.

That catch was a talent catch - you're seeing what you want to see.

Ditto. You can believe that catching that pass requires talent and not focus. But I'll believe that catching always requires focus, rather than talent. Talent is in the body. Focus is in the mind. The mind controls the arms and hands, and Bowe misplaced his hands when he misjudged the pass as being too low. His hands went too low, the ball went through his arms higher than he thought.

DJ's left nut
11-07-2010, 08:25 PM
Baseball's probably the best example of this kind of thing phenomenon.

Tony Pena Jr. would kick the easiest groundballs you'd ever see. Then he'd turn around and make some stunning diving catch up the middle to start a double play.

The E on the grounder was a lack of focus - the dude had time to think and his brain got in the way. He wasn't able to block out the externalities and finish off the play. Meanwhile, the diving play was a talent play - it all happened to fast for him to get in his own way.

That catch was a talent catch. Bowe wasn't in the open field looking to haul in an easy first down. It wasn't obvious that he was going to get a good look on that ball. He turned, saw the ball and just couldn't get his hands closed in time.

C'mon - there was nowhere near enough time for him to trip over himself there. It wasn't focus, it was skill.

KCrockaholic
11-07-2010, 08:25 PM
Talent your team needs to use it.

Hey, we agree.

But still, don't be a troll if your gonna stick around here. Leave now or stick around the entire season.

Iowanian
11-07-2010, 08:26 PM
Go easy on the raider trolls. They're used to coming in to clean up after the party.

This isn't the first night they've used their faces to sponge up a glory hole wall.

JBL
11-07-2010, 08:28 PM
And you were too big a pussy to join the Planet until AFTER your team won.

Pussy. That's what you are. A low-down, trolling PUSSY.

And you won't show up again unless and until the Raiders beat the Chiefs again. You ****ing pussy.

Put us in our place? Your team was 4-4 and you STILL didn't join the Planet to talk shit to the Chiefs fans UNTIL your team won.

Pussy. Which is something you are, but not what you get.

You sure like using that p word dontcha? Is it because it's something you wish you had?

Keep whining and crying because I love the taste of your tears.

DJ's left nut
11-07-2010, 08:28 PM
Ditto. You can believe that catching that pass requires talent and not focus. But I'll believe that catching always requires focus, rather than talent. Talent is in the body. Focus is in the mind. The mind controls the arms and hands, and Bowe misplaced his hands when he misjudged the pass as being too low. His hands went too low, the ball went through his arms higher than he though.

So it's your position that, for a WR, talent begins and ends at how fast he can run?

His ability to catch the ball is based purely on his 'focus'?

C'mon - the ability to catch the football is a talent. The ability to put your hands where your eyes think they should go is an innate skill. Hand-eye coordination, hand-speed and physical dexterity are physical talents.

No amount of additional focus there was going to get Bowe to close his arms faster. His mind didn't get in his way, his hands did. The same hands that have been inconsistent throughout his entire college and pro career.

He doesn't have the hand-eye coordination or physical dexterity to be one of those guys that brings that ball in every time. That's just all there is to it.

JBL
11-07-2010, 08:29 PM
Hey, we agree.

But still, don't be a troll if your gonna stick around here. Leave now or stick around the entire season.

Oh I plan to stick around a while just to hear you all. Much love

KCrockaholic
11-07-2010, 08:30 PM
Oh I plan to stick around a while just to hear you all. Much love

Stick around in January too.

DJ's left nut
11-07-2010, 08:30 PM
Oh I plan to stick around a while just to hear you all. Much love

The adults are speaking.

Shut the fuck up.

Iowanian
11-07-2010, 08:31 PM
Oh I plan to stick around a while just to hear you all. Much love

Now hear this: Perform a marital act upon whomever raised you in lieu of your absentee baby hatch and prison bound sperm donor.

googlegoogle
11-07-2010, 08:32 PM
Talent = playmaking.

KCrockaholic
11-07-2010, 08:32 PM
So it's your position that, for a WR, talent begins and ends at how fast he can run?

His ability to catch the ball is based purely on his 'focus'?

C'mon - the ability to catch the football is a talent. The ability to put your hands where your eyes think they should go is an innate skill. Hand-eye coordination, hand-speed and physical dexterity are physical talents.

No amount of additional focus there was going to get Bowe to close his arms faster. His mind didn't get in his way, his hands did. The same hands that have been inconsistent throughout his entire college and pro career.

He doesn't have the hand-eye coordination or physical dexterity to be one of those guys that brings that ball in every time. That's just all there is to it.

This could go in circles all day. We're gonna have to agree to disagree. People have different views on life. I'll leave it at that.

DJ's left nut
11-07-2010, 08:33 PM
This could go in circles all day. We're gonna have to agree to disagree. People have different views on life. I'll leave it at that.

Probably the way to go.

You're still wrong.... ;)

RedThat
11-07-2010, 08:38 PM
I've been very pleased with Bowe's play so far this year.

But I see kcrockaholic4lifes point. Bowe is not a clutch receiver. Bottomline. Thats the easiest and best way to sum him up.

Is he a good player?Yes. Can he perform under pressure? Im not so sure. He ****ed up. He makes that catch late in the 4th and the game is over. No question about it. We would've won. Raiders had no business winning this game.

Its not Bowe's productivity we have an issue with. He's been monstrous in that category, It's his inability to perform and make the clutch catches at critical times in ball games. He did it this game, and the Indy game. And that is what seperates him from being a true #1 WR imo.

*If the Chiefs are going to keep Cassel, I seriously wouldn't mind if they looked at upgrading the WR position in the off-season.

JBL
11-07-2010, 08:42 PM
The adults are speaking.

Shut the **** up.

See I come here and answer a simple question and this is the response I get. Don't shoot the messenger because he delivers the truth.

Drwbllz
11-07-2010, 08:46 PM
This is my first post, but I'm a member of raiderfans.net and have seen some of the ****-talking going on from both sides over the course of the week.

This meant a lot more to the Raiders than the loss did to KC. It was a disgusting, sloppy game on both sides and one of us had to come out on top. Both teams had way too many penalties and were gifted (or screwed) by the officiating. Granted, the Raiders were down several key starters, but I still have a firm belief that KC is no slouch. I think that we are both very similar teams on paper and it showed tonight...at least our division is horrible enough to keep us both in the playoff chase.

Week 17 will be no joke, and may very well decide the outcome of the division. I'll check in here periodically, Chiefs fans. Best of luck to you and your team's season.

RaiderDrewF

BossChief
11-07-2010, 08:46 PM
See I come here and answer a simple question and this is the response I get. Don't shoot the messenger because he delivers the truth.

Go climb an aids tree and when you get to the top, start it on fire and begin chugging antifreeze just to be sure you did the job.

If you make it out alive, go fist your mother

in the anus

buh bye

BossChief
11-07-2010, 08:47 PM
This is my first post, but I'm a member of raiderfans.net and have seen some of the ****-talking going on from both sides over the course of the week.

This meant a lot more to the Raiders than the loss did to KC. It was a disgusting, sloppy game on both sides and one of us had to come out on top. Both teams had way too many penalties and were gifted (or screwed) by the officiating. Granted, the Raiders were down several key starters, but I still have a firm belief that KC is no slouch. I think that we are both very similar teams on paper and it showed tonight...at least our division is horrible enough to keep us both in the playoff chase.

Week 17 will be no joke, and may very well decide the outcome of the division. I'll check in here periodically, Chiefs fans. Best of luck to you and your team's season.

RaiderDrewF

You are welcome here anyday!

JBL
11-07-2010, 08:49 PM
Go climb an aids tree and when you get to the top, start it on fire and begin chugging antifreeze just to be sure you did the job.

If you make it out alive, go fist your mother

in the anus

buh bye

After you sir

Ugly Duck
11-07-2010, 09:01 PM
Granted, the Raiders were down several key starters, but I still have a firm belief that KC is no slouch.

Even with an "L" in their column today, KC sent notice to the rest of the NFL: No team will have an easy time against the Chiefs absent their best players. KC can take on any second-string in the league.

Jacoby
11-07-2010, 09:05 PM
LMAO!

Drwbllz
11-07-2010, 09:08 PM
Even with an "L" in their column today, KC sent notice to the rest of the NFL: No team will have an easy time against the Chiefs absent their best players. KC can take on any second-string in the league.


I honestly believe the entire NFL is wide open right now. No single team seems dominant enough where I'd feel comfortable saying, "That team is going to the Super Bowl."

Not only that, but KC has a pretty easy schedule ahead of them. This division is a 3-horse race. (we all know the donks suck, haha!)

Jacoby
11-07-2010, 09:10 PM
I honestly believe the entire NFL is wide open right now. No single team seems dominant enough where I'd feel comfortable saying, "That team is going to the Super Bowl."

Not only that, but KC has a pretty easy schedule ahead of them. This division is a 3-horse race. (we all know the donks suck, haha!)

Err, Giants are pretty dominate right now. There's a lot of teams playing extremely good football right now too. Chiefs not being one of them.

Drwbllz
11-07-2010, 09:12 PM
Err, Giants are pretty dominate right now. There's a lot of teams playing extremely good football right now too. Chiefs not being one of them.


Agree to disagree :D

TheGuardian
11-07-2010, 09:26 PM
Even with an "L" in their column today, KC sent notice to the rest of the NFL: No team will have an easy time against the Chiefs absent their best players. KC can take on any second-string in the league.

Oakland only sports a second string team. WTF are you talking about?

Ugly Duck
11-07-2010, 09:28 PM
I honestly believe the entire NFL is wide open right now.

League-leading New England topped the power polls yesterday, & then they got punked by Cleveland today. That about sums it up....

RNATION
11-07-2010, 10:03 PM
It was actually worse then you think, Chiefs ......

1. were spotted 7 points by the refs on that B.S. pass interference call.

2. Benifitted from bad ref calls against the Raiders

2. were handed the ball on the Nick Miller fumble, That led to another 7 ponts

4. Raiders screwed out of 3 points when Jano missed that field goal

6. Raiders were missing half the team Zach Miller, Aso, Bruce, Rolando, Branch, Chaz, murphy

Can you imagine what the score would have been if they were playing ?

All that and the Raiders still won , wow

Sonic Cowboy-Raider
11-07-2010, 10:03 PM
Who is Jacoby Ford?

The latest player to emerge as a key player for the Raiders and the latest in a string of 4th round gems.

Jacoby
11-07-2010, 10:04 PM
Oakland only sports a second string team. WTF are you talking about?

Says a lot about you guys...

DBOSHO
11-07-2010, 10:13 PM
Lol you guys are so good. Seriously. You crushed us on your home turf.

Douche Baggins
11-07-2010, 10:17 PM
I'm kinda excited that we lost.

A little.

Raider trolls are gonna stick around until it's obvious their season is over.

Then we lead a full-on schadenfreude-inspired invasion of raiderfans.net for Week 17 AND RUB IT IN THEIR NOSES.

JBL
11-07-2010, 10:20 PM
Lol you guys are so good. Seriously. You crushed us on your home turf.

That game was gift wrapped for you to take and you still couldn't get the job done. It's so sad yet so true.

KChiefs1
11-07-2010, 10:20 PM
NFL Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Draft): 2010 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NFL_Draft) / Round: 4 / Pick: 108


Chiefs traded up and took Moeaki.


Pioli should be fired for taking Brokeaki over Ford!:)

KChiefs1
11-07-2010, 10:21 PM
I'm kinda excited that we lost.

A little.

Raider trolls are gonna stick around until it's obvious their season is over.

Then we lead a full-on schadenfreude-inspired invasion of raiderfans.net for Week 17 AND RUB IT IN THEIR NOSES.

You do have a point here...as long as there is a race everyone will be talkiing about the Chiefs & it's quite possible their division games will get flexed & we will end up on SUNDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL!!!!!!

RaiderGreg
11-07-2010, 10:30 PM
While I don't expect you guys to give the Raiders any credit for today's win, you can't argue with the fact that they were extremely short handed (yet somehow managed to grit out the win).

Aso, Miller, McClain, Branch, Murphy, Schilens, Gradkowski were all inactive/injured early in the game.

You guys have a great team, but Matt Cassell is the one holding you back. Also, kinda questionable on the part of Haley to give so many carries to Jones. I don't know if it's clear to your coaching staff, but it's clear to everyone else that Charles is your best back (and by far).

Good luck the rest of the season (until the showdown at Arrowhead of course), and hopefully that game is for the AFC West crown.