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Donger
11-09-2010, 11:01 AM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/breaking/Pentagon-Has-No-Clue-Who-Launched-Missile-in-SoCal-106954903.html

Someone launched a missile near Los Angeles Monday night and as of Tuesday morning, the Pentagon still doesn't know who.

A local television station showed video of the launch spotted around 5 p.m. captured by a traffic helicopter around sunset. The location was reported to be west of Los Angeles, north of Catalina Island and approximately 35 miles out to sea, KFMB reported.

It does appear a substantial missile was launched into the skies over Southern California Monday evening but no one in the military is owning up to it yet, according to NBC Pentagon correspondent Jim Miklaszewski.

No one in the Pentagon knows exactly what it is.

It cannot be a planned military launch because no branch had a military action planned, according to Miklaszewski.

The other possibility is that the missile was launched unintentionally. It may have been a screwup. Someone may have simply punched the wrong button.

Another possibility, it would be sophisticated launch just to create a spectacular site in the sky.

Check back for updates on this developing story.

Donger
11-09-2010, 11:02 AM
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Fish
11-09-2010, 11:03 AM
Someone may have simply punched the wrong button.

:facepalm:

Count Alex's Losses
11-09-2010, 11:05 AM
I know who.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2nuokfl.jpg

Donger
11-09-2010, 11:07 AM
Whatever that was, it wasn't a model rocket. Kind of weird.

Dave Lane
11-09-2010, 11:07 AM
Looks to me like maybe one of the people competed for the various prizes for the first space launch may have done this. I noticed it only went to a point and the fuel ran out. A military missile would have made a complete climb.

allen_kcCard
11-09-2010, 11:08 AM
Looks like it was headed to Russia, oh well.

ChiefButthurt
11-09-2010, 11:11 AM
The helicopter should have followed it. :D

Fish
11-09-2010, 11:12 AM
You'd think it would take something pretty substantial to support the launch of that thing. Especially 35 miles out to sea. You're not going to do that from any kind of small boat.

The government has to know where this came from.

Very puzzling...

Pants
11-09-2010, 11:15 AM
Looks to me like maybe one of the people competed for the various prizes for the first space launch may have done this. I noticed it only went to a point and the fuel ran out. A military missile would have made a complete climb.

Wouldn't they have to declare the launch and get clearance to make sure the airspace is clear? Wouldn't want to hit a jetliner by accident.

Donger
11-09-2010, 11:18 AM
Looks to me like maybe one of the people competed for the various prizes for the first space launch may have done this. I noticed it only went to a point and the fuel ran out. A military missile would have made a complete climb.

:spock:

Donger
11-09-2010, 11:18 AM
Wouldn't they have to declare the launch and get clearance to make sure the airspace is clear? Wouldn't want to hit a jetliner by accident.

Yes.

Cave Johnson
11-09-2010, 11:18 AM
And Obama is in Indonesia today. Coincidence?

Chief Chief
11-09-2010, 11:20 AM
FWIW, I launched my missile last night -- she was smokin' hot and I put her into orbit!

Demonpenz
11-09-2010, 11:24 AM
FWIW, I launched my missile last night -- she was smokin' hot and I put her into orbit!

I used to call my dick missle command, and I worked really hard to try to make the brrrp sounds authentic as the hit arcade missle simulation of the early 1980's, but the sound that me masterbating sounded more like a spoon going into cottage cheese, so I switched calling my dick Missle command to a video game I designed called "Cottage cheese simulation" I made in one of my programming courses.

Pants
11-09-2010, 11:26 AM
And Obama is in Indonesia today. Coincidence?

I THINK NOT!

Donger
11-09-2010, 11:27 AM
And Obama is in Indonesia today. Coincidence?

Care to elaborate? What connection do you see?

Cave Johnson
11-09-2010, 11:37 AM
Care to elaborate? What connection do you see?

The Muslim sleeper agent war HAS BEGUN!!!!!!

Donger
11-09-2010, 11:37 AM
The Muslim sleeper agent war HAS BEGUN!!!!!!

Ah.

mikey23545
11-09-2010, 11:48 AM
And Obama is in Indonesia today. Coincidence?

So what the hell has Obama being in Indonesia got to do with this?

Count Alex's Losses
11-09-2010, 11:52 AM
Are we completely sure this wasn't one of Cassel's errant throws that caught a jet stream? He was in California recently.

Chocolate Hog
11-09-2010, 11:58 AM
Someone launched a missle? Dane must be doin porn again.

T-post Tom
11-09-2010, 12:00 PM
Bush Jr celebrating his book release on a Saudi friend's "yacht." Watch Oprah today if you want the details.

patteeu
11-09-2010, 12:10 PM
China demonstrating a heretofore unknown capability?

Donger
11-09-2010, 12:13 PM
China demonstrating a heretofore unknown capability?

That would be stunning, wouldn't it? China does have SLBMs. It's interesting that NORAD apparently didn't detect the launch.

mikey23545
11-09-2010, 12:23 PM
Are we completely sure this wasn't one of Cassel's errant throws that caught a jet stream? He was in California recently.

As usual, none of his shitty receivers could get open and he had to throw it away.

CaliforniaChief
11-09-2010, 12:30 PM
The guy on the embedded video speculated that it might have come from a sub. If indeed that was a Chinese sub or other, holy crap.

If it's one of ours, which I believe it is, someone screwed up royally and the chain of command is quietly dealing with it.

Pants
11-09-2010, 12:37 PM
That would be stunning, wouldn't it? China does have SLBMs. It's interesting that NORAD apparently didn't detect the launch.

They might have detected it and withheld the fact from the general public. Who knows?

Donger
11-09-2010, 12:57 PM
They might have detected it and withheld the fact from the general public. Who knows?

Honestly, I don't think Obama would allow that.

patteeu
11-09-2010, 01:01 PM
Honestly, I don't think Obama would allow that.

You don't think he'd suppress the information that China is rattling a nuclear saber off the coast of California? I do. Unless he's trying to rally support for a US/China confrontation, I can't see how public knowledge of such an event would benefit him and I'm relatively sure that he's not interested in a public confrontation.

Bowser
11-09-2010, 01:03 PM
Obviously, Big Daddy has officially had enough of Obama's shit.

Tuckdaddy
11-09-2010, 01:14 PM
It was Al Davis.

DA_T_84
11-09-2010, 01:20 PM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/breaking/Pentagon-Has-No-Clue-Who-Launched-Missile-in-SoCal-106954903.html

Someone launched a missile near Los Angeles Monday night and as of Tuesday morning, the Pentagon still doesn't know who.

A local television station showed video of the launch spotted around 5 p.m. captured by a traffic helicopter around sunset. The location was reported to be west of Los Angeles, north of Catalina Island and approximately 35 miles out to sea, KFMB reported.

It does appear a substantial missile was launched into the skies over Southern California Monday evening but no one in the military is owning up to it yet, according to NBC Pentagon correspondent Jim Miklaszewski.

No one in the Pentagon knows exactly what it is.

It cannot be a planned military launch because no branch had a military action planned, according to Miklaszewski.

The other possibility is that the missile was launched unintentionally. It may have been a screwup. Someone may have simply punched the wrong button.

Another possibility, it would be sophisticated launch just to create a spectacular site in the sky.

Check back for updates on this developing story.

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38yrsfan
11-09-2010, 01:22 PM
http://www.stitchkingdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/get-attachment.aspx.jpg

gblowfish
11-09-2010, 01:37 PM
China wouldn't nuke us.
We owe them too much money.

Rain Man
11-09-2010, 01:38 PM
That's bizarre.

So the competing theories are these (including some of my own)?


1. China saber-rattling in a very heavy manner.
2. Some foreign sub or American sub that accidentally screwed up.
3. A secret U.S. military test.
4. Some al-quaeda guys or other bad guys on a boat trying to launch something at LA.
5. Model rocketeer having some big-time fun.
6. Someone attempting a space launch as a private-sector venture.

Anything else?

My thinking on each theory would be:

1. China saber-rattling in a very heavy manner - Not 35 miles off the U.S. coast. That's too much risk for too little reward, and I don't think hostilities are that high. Likelihood: very low.
2. Some foreign sub or American sub that accidentally screwed up. Possible, but that's an enormous screwup, and it'd have to be a combination of screwups by a combination of people. Still, it's possible if they were doing a test and people were flipping switches. Likelihood: Moderate.
3. A secret U.S. military test. Possible, but if it's that secret I don't think you do it near Los Angeles. Likelihood: Low.
4. Some al-quaeda guys or other bad guys on a boat trying to launch something at LA. Some idiots on a boat trying to launch a canister of Anthrax into Los Angeles, and then screwing it up? Sounds like them. Likelihood: Moderate to high.
5. Model rocketeer having some big-time fun. Launching a large rocket from a boat? Seems unlikely. That's a big investment. Likelihood: Low.
6. Someone attempting a space launch as a private-sector venture. If they know enough to compete, they know enough to not launch a rocket without getting airspace clearance assuming they're not Billy Bob Thornton playing Astronaut Farmer or something. Likelihood: Very Low.

Any other theories? Anyone agree/disagree with my assessment?

teedubya
11-09-2010, 01:40 PM
NORAD sure has sucked these last few years.

Donger
11-09-2010, 02:03 PM
That's bizarre.

So the competing theories are these (including some of my own)?


1. China saber-rattling in a very heavy manner.
2. Some foreign sub or American sub that accidentally screwed up.
3. A secret U.S. military test.
4. Some al-quaeda guys or other bad guys on a boat trying to launch something at LA.
5. Model rocketeer having some big-time fun.
6. Someone attempting a space launch as a private-sector venture.

Anything else?

My thinking on each theory would be:

1. China saber-rattling in a very heavy manner - Not 35 miles off the U.S. coast. That's too much risk for too little reward, and I don't think hostilities are that high. Likelihood: very low.
2. Some foreign sub or American sub that accidentally screwed up. Possible, but that's an enormous screwup, and it'd have to be a combination of screwups by a combination of people. Still, it's possible if they were doing a test and people were flipping switches. Likelihood: Moderate.
3. A secret U.S. military test. Possible, but if it's that secret I don't think you do it near Los Angeles. Likelihood: Low.
4. Some al-quaeda guys or other bad guys on a boat trying to launch something at LA. Some idiots on a boat trying to launch a canister of Anthrax into Los Angeles, and then screwing it up? Sounds like them. Likelihood: Moderate to high.
5. Model rocketeer having some big-time fun. Launching a large rocket from a boat? Seems unlikely. That's a big investment. Likelihood: Low.
6. Someone attempting a space launch as a private-sector venture. If they know enough to compete, they know enough to not launch a rocket without getting airspace clearance assuming they're not Billy Bob Thornton playing Astronaut Farmer or something. Likelihood: Very Low.

Any other theories? Anyone agree/disagree with my assessment?

I would think that an attempted terrorist attack is the most likely. I suppose that it could have been an amateur rocketeer, but that sure looked like a very significant device. It wasn't a Tomahawk; it was definitely ballistic.

patteeu
11-09-2010, 02:05 PM
My thinking on each theory would be:

1. China saber-rattling in a very heavy manner - Not 35 miles off the U.S. coast. That's too much risk for too little reward, and I don't think hostilities are that high. Likelihood: very low.

Anyone agree/disagree with my assessment?

What's the risk? As long as it was a single missile and as long as we could quickly determine that the trajectory wasn't headed toward anything but open ocean, the likelihood that it would lead to a retaliatory strike seems very low to me and that's before I factor in the relative impotence of our current civilian leadership.

kcfanXIII
11-09-2010, 02:09 PM
NORAD sure has sucked these last few years.

funny, isn't it, that in a country with unlimited technological resources, the command of its military defenses was outperformed by a helicopter with a camera...

CaliforniaChief
11-09-2010, 02:10 PM
I would think that an attempted terrorist attack is the most likely. I suppose that it could have been an amateur rocketeer, but that sure looked like a very significant device. It wasn't a Tomahawk; it was definitely ballistic.

If that's the case, this story is a BFD.

Rain Man
11-09-2010, 02:15 PM
What's the risk? As long as it was a single missile and as long as we could quickly determine that the trajectory wasn't headed toward anything but open ocean, the likelihood that it would lead to a retaliatory strike seems very low to me and that's before I factor in the relative impotence of our current civilian leadership.


I'd think the risk was if a) no technology is perfect, and finding fragments of a Chinese-made rocket in the remains of Disneyland would force an escalation, b) if our leadership mistakenly assumed that other missiles were about to be launched and began retaliatory action (not sure what, though - probably not MAD), and c) the sighting of the missile by a large group of people, with video, causes a hostile shift in public sentiment toward China since people don't take kindly to sneak attacks on their own soil.

It's possible that they weighed the risks and thought it was a good decision, but it seems like they could have accomplished the same goal by launching it off of Juneau or some mid-sized coastal city in Oregon.

Semi-unrelatedly, launching off of LA would seem to indicate that their goal was to impact the American public rather than the American government. Otherwise, they announce the thing and shoot it into the Spratly Islands or they'd do a surprise launch near Vanuatu or something.

BossChief
11-09-2010, 02:16 PM
Are we completely sure this wasn't one of Cassel's errant throws that caught a jet stream? He was in California recently.

BS... it was a catchable pass that 95% of NFL receivers have to make...shit a high school kid could have caught that ball!

Donger
11-09-2010, 02:17 PM
If that's the case, this story is a BFD.

All speculation at this point.

Rain Man
11-09-2010, 02:23 PM
Another theory, though kind of far-fetched, is that those crazy North Koreans have built a missile launcher on a submarine and were either saber-rattling or testing whether LA has any active anti-missile defenses. I could see them doing something like that if that's the only way they could attack America. A quick search of the Internet indicates that they don't have any known subs that are built to fire missiles, though, so they'd have to have been doing a lot of work to make that happen.

Count Alex's Losses
11-09-2010, 02:25 PM
Aliens, probably.

Frazod
11-09-2010, 02:27 PM
Out of curiousity, did anyone happen to notice where it landed? Or if it vaporized anything when it did?

Donger
11-09-2010, 02:27 PM
FAA just reported no waivers for a launch, so if it was an amateur launch, it wasn't authorized.

DaneMcCloud
11-09-2010, 02:27 PM
I would think that an attempted terrorist attack is the most likely. I suppose that it could have been an amateur rocketeer, but that sure looked like a very significant device. It wasn't a Tomahawk; it was definitely ballistic.

If this was a ballistic missile launched by a terrorist organization, I highly doubt that the government would reveal its true nature. Something like that would send the American people into a panic.

Donger
11-09-2010, 02:28 PM
Out of curiousity, did anyone happen to notice where it landed? Or if it vaporized anything when it did?

It looks like it was heading NNW, so out to sea.

Rain Man
11-09-2010, 02:28 PM
Aliens, probably.

Not aliens. A heretofore unknown undersea civilization that's getting fed up with all the fudgesicle wrappers and paper plates raining down upon them from cruise ships.

Alternatively, if this was their Sputnik, we should be seeing some manned capsules popping up in the next couple of years as they continue their dream of "a fishman on the land by the end of the decade".

kaplin42
11-09-2010, 02:29 PM
What's the risk? As long as it was a single missile and as long as we could quickly determine that the trajectory wasn't headed toward anything but open ocean, the likelihood that it would lead to a retaliatory strike seems very low to me and that's before I factor in the relative impotence of our current civilian leadership.

You don't think there would be risk for china if that missle was theirs? If, and a big if at that, that missle was saber-rattling from china. Well, my guess is that would mean we are about to enter the 3rd world war.

No way any president takes a slap to the face like that and does nothing.

Rain Man
11-09-2010, 02:30 PM
It looks like it was heading NNW, so out to sea.

It seems like if we've got video of a contrail that we could find the thing, depending on its range, and I'd think you could figure out the expected range and path from the contrail.

Barret
11-09-2010, 02:31 PM
That's bizarre.

So the competing theories are these (including some of my own)?


1. China saber-rattling in a very heavy manner.
2. Some foreign sub or American sub that accidentally screwed up.
3. A secret U.S. military test.
4. Some al-quaeda guys or other bad guys on a boat trying to launch something at LA.
5. Model rocketeer having some big-time fun.
6. Someone attempting a space launch as a private-sector venture.

Anything else?

My thinking on each theory would be:

1. China saber-rattling in a very heavy manner - Not 35 miles off the U.S. coast. That's too much risk for too little reward, and I don't think hostilities are that high. Likelihood: very low.
2. Some foreign sub or American sub that accidentally screwed up. Possible, but that's an enormous screwup, and it'd have to be a combination of screwups by a combination of people. Still, it's possible if they were doing a test and people were flipping switches. Likelihood: Moderate.
3. A secret U.S. military test. Possible, but if it's that secret I don't think you do it near Los Angeles. Likelihood: Low.
4. Some al-quaeda guys or other bad guys on a boat trying to launch something at LA. Some idiots on a boat trying to launch a canister of Anthrax into Los Angeles, and then screwing it up? Sounds like them. Likelihood: Moderate to high.
5. Model rocketeer having some big-time fun. Launching a large rocket from a boat? Seems unlikely. That's a big investment. Likelihood: Low.
6. Someone attempting a space launch as a private-sector venture. If they know enough to compete, they know enough to not launch a rocket without getting airspace clearance assuming they're not Billy Bob Thornton playing Astronaut Farmer or something. Likelihood: Very Low.

Any other theories? Anyone agree/disagree with my assessment?


My thoughts on your thoughts:

1: If it was China, holy crap.

2: If that was an American sub, someones head is going to role all the way up to the SubPac Admiral. That was more then likely a larger ballistic type missile from what that one dude was saying. YOU DO NOT have American Submarines Launching Trident missiles without telling someone about it. Think about it for a second. What if this were the 60's and the Russians just saw a launch happen from the west coast of the US?

3: Doubt it was a secret test that close to LA.

4: Secret launch from Al-queda. Well unless they got their hands on Ballistic Tech and something larger then a Scud, I doubt it was them.

5: Cant be a model rocket.

6: Can't be a local private sector launch since they have to be registered and make sure they aren't in a flight path of any airliners.

The only nations to my knowledge that have Submarine Launch Ballistic Missile tech are, US, Great Britain, France, Russia, and China. India is working on something but it is still in development.

Also found this nugget
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/05/20/agrees-notify-nations-launching-ballistic-missiles-satellites/

CaliforniaChief
11-09-2010, 02:33 PM
I'm pretty sure that had it been launched by Mike Scifres it would have been blocked.

Yes, Donger, it is speculation. But it isn't re-assuring that the military doesn't know what it is (if they don't know).

Donger
11-09-2010, 02:35 PM
Here's a video with some land as reference. Big f*cker. Can one of our LA CPers tell where this video was shot?

CrazyPhuD
11-09-2010, 02:35 PM
Anyone know where gene hackman is?

Pants
11-09-2010, 02:36 PM
I truly believe the military knows what it was.

One simply does not sneak up to the west coast of continental United States and launches a fucking BM. Seriously.

Donger
11-09-2010, 02:36 PM
My thoughts on your thoughts:

1: If it was China, holy crap.

2: If that was an American sub, someones head is going to role all the way up to the SubPac Admiral. That was more then likely a larger ballistic type missile from what that one dude was saying. YOU DO NOT have American Submarines Launching Trident missiles without telling someone about it. Think about it for a second. What if this were the 60's and the Russians just saw a launch happen from the west coast of the US?

3: Doubt it was a secret test that close to LA.

4: Secret launch from Al-queda. Well unless they got their hands on Ballistic Tech and something larger then a Scud, I doubt it was them.

5: Cant be a model rocket.

6: Can't be a local private sector launch since they have to be registered and make sure they aren't in a flight path of any airliners.

The only nations to my knowledge that have Submarine Launch Ballistic Missile tech are, US, Great Britain, France, Russia, and China. India is working on something but it is still in development.

Also found this nugget
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/05/20/agrees-notify-nations-launching-ballistic-missiles-satellites/

Well, rockets can be fired from surface vessels.

kaplin42
11-09-2010, 02:36 PM
Here's a video with some land as reference. Big f*cker. Can one of our LA CPers tell where this video was shot?

Video?

CaliforniaChief
11-09-2010, 02:37 PM
I truly believe the military knows what it was.

One simply does not sneak up to the west coast of continental United States and launches a fucking BM. Seriously.

Where's Hamas been lately?

Donger
11-09-2010, 02:37 PM
Video?

Sorry.

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Calcountry
11-09-2010, 02:38 PM
NORAD sure has sucked these last few years.Yeah, Matthew Broderick completely pwned them back in the 80's. They haven't been the same since.

:D

Calcountry
11-09-2010, 02:41 PM
Not aliens. A heretofore unknown undersea civilization that's getting fed up with all the fudgesicle wrappers and paper plates raining down upon them from cruise ships.

Alternatively, if this was their Sputnik, we should be seeing some manned capsules popping up in the next couple of years as they continue their dream of "a fishman on the land by the end of the decade".This theory is also unlikely, since we all KNOW that California prides itself on recycling and outlawing such forms of needless waste like plastic bags.

38yrsfan
11-09-2010, 02:42 PM
Aliens, probably.

............... and probably expelled from Arizona.

DMAC
11-09-2010, 02:43 PM
I truly believe the military knows what it was.

One simply does not sneak up to the west coast of continental United States and launches a fucking BM. Seriously.Agreed. And to be a mistake would take a lot of people fucking up. You dont just "push a button" to fire a missile like that.

kaplin42
11-09-2010, 02:51 PM
Donger,

With the sunset, and the poor picture it's really hard to know where that is. You also have to understand Los Angeles County is huge. That video could easily be 30 to 40 miles from where I live.

Judgeing by the first video you linked, my GUESS is that the missle is the red circle, and the point of view from the news copter is the green circle.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/kaplin42/LAMissle.jpg

Donger
11-09-2010, 02:51 PM
I truly believe the military knows what it was.

One simply does not sneak up to the west coast of continental United States and launches a ****ing BM. Seriously.

Or, maybe they do.

Donger
11-09-2010, 02:52 PM
Donger,

With the sunset, and the poor picture it's really hard to know where that is. You also have to understand Los Angeles County is huge. That video could easily be 30 to 40 miles from where I live.

Judgeing by the first video you linked, my GUESS is that the missle is the red circle, and the point of view from the news copter is the green circle.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/kaplin42/LAMissle.jpg

Yeah, I was thinking it looked like Long Beach.

Donger
11-09-2010, 02:54 PM
Sorry for the horrendous thread title, BTW. I'm not sure how that happened.

Otter
11-09-2010, 02:56 PM
My thoughts on your thoughts:

1: If it was China, holy crap.

2: If that was an American sub, someones head is going to role all the way up to the SubPac Admiral. That was more then likely a larger ballistic type missile from what that one dude was saying. YOU DO NOT have American Submarines Launching Trident missiles without telling someone about it. Think about it for a second. What if this were the 60's and the Russians just saw a launch happen from the west coast of the US?

3: Doubt it was a secret test that close to LA.

4: Secret launch from Al-queda. Well unless they got their hands on Ballistic Tech and something larger then a Scud, I doubt it was them.

5: Cant be a model rocket.

6: Can't be a local private sector launch since they have to be registered and make sure they aren't in a flight path of any airliners.

The only nations to my knowledge that have Submarine Launch Ballistic Missile tech are, US, Great Britain, France, Russia, and China. India is working on something but it is still in development.

Also found this nugget
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/05/20/agrees-notify-nations-launching-ballistic-missiles-satellites/

North Korea has the largest and most advanced submarine fleets in the world if I'm not mistaken. But I've been both correct and mistaken before.

DaneMcCloud
11-09-2010, 02:57 PM
Yeah, I was thinking it looked like Long Beach.

I agree. It doesn't look like the South Bay or Palos Verdes.

Pants
11-09-2010, 02:57 PM
Or, maybe they do.

To what end?

Donger
11-09-2010, 02:58 PM
North Korea has the largest and most advanced submarine fleets in the world if I'm not mistaken. But I've been both correct and mistaken before.

No, they do not.

Donger
11-09-2010, 02:58 PM
To what end?

To attack us, silly.

dirk digler
11-09-2010, 03:01 PM
Are we sure the video is authentic? So far the military is saying they have no idea

Donger
11-09-2010, 03:02 PM
Are we sure the video is authentic? So far the military is saying they have no idea

There are multiple videos from different news sources.

dirk digler
11-09-2010, 03:05 PM
There are multiple videos from different news sources.

Ok. I was just reading that the video came from a CBS news helicopter. But if there is multiple videos from different news organizations then it probably isn't a hoax.

Pants
11-09-2010, 03:05 PM
To attack us, silly.

OK, the whole "terrorist group having access to ballistic missiles" argument is just stupid. And no country is going to rattle swords with nuclear weapons. The fact that you HAVE nuclear weapons is a sword big enough. One doesn't need to rattle it.

ClevelandBronco
11-09-2010, 03:07 PM
I think it was Donger and this thread is his public awareness campaign.

RockChalk
11-09-2010, 03:07 PM
Has anyone spoken to this guy? Perhaps he had second thoughts...

http://www.zuguide.com/image/Ed-Harris-The-Rock.3.jpg

Otter
11-09-2010, 03:08 PM
No, they do not.

A bit of research show you to be correct. Still impressive for the size of the country however.

Donger
11-09-2010, 03:08 PM
OK, the whole "terrorist group having access to ballistic missiles" argument is just stupid. And no country is going to rattle swords with nuclear weapons. The fact that you HAVE nuclear weapons is a sword big enough. One doesn't need to rattle it.

Who said anything about a nuclear warhead? Ballistic missiles can have conventional warheads, too.

Donger
11-09-2010, 03:09 PM
I think it was Donger and this thread is his public awareness campaign.

I have alibis, all of them iron-clad.

FAX
11-09-2010, 03:12 PM
Based on that map, I think the missile was fired by the Red Circle People.

FAX

ClevelandBronco
11-09-2010, 03:13 PM
I have alibis, all of them iron-clad.

And now we know what he's calling his line of iron-clad missiles: The Alibi.

Pants
11-09-2010, 03:14 PM
Who said anything about a nuclear warhead? Ballistic missiles can have conventional warheads, too.

Oh. I thought those were used to deliver nuclear warheads.

dirk digler
11-09-2010, 03:15 PM
Robert Ellsworth, former Secretary of Defense under President Richard Nixon has an alternate theory. He believes, after viewing the footage, that the missile might have been an intercontinental ballistic missile and the launch might have been staged as a not-so-subtle reminder to China and North Korea of our ready nuclear arsenal.

Donger
11-09-2010, 03:17 PM
Oh. I thought those were used to deliver nuclear warheads.

They are, but not all ballistic missiles have nuclear warheads.

Donger
11-09-2010, 03:20 PM
Robert Ellsworth, former Secretary of Defense under President Richard Nixon has an alternate theory. He believes, after viewing the footage, that the missile might have been an intercontinental ballistic missile and the launch might have been staged as a not-so-subtle reminder to China and North Korea of our ready nuclear arsenal.


There is no way that we'd launch a SLBM thirty miles off the coast of LA.

DMAC
11-09-2010, 03:22 PM
Robert Ellsworth, former Secretary of Defense under President Richard Nixon has an alternate theory. He believes, after viewing the footage, that the missile might have been an intercontinental ballistic missile and the launch might have been staged as a not-so-subtle reminder to China and North Korea of our ready nuclear arsenal.
That is just retarded.

I think it goes without saying.

Donger
11-09-2010, 03:24 PM
FAA reviewed radar data and did not record any large, fast-moving objects in the area at the time. LAX is pretty much due east of there (along with eighty billion other airports with radar).

dirk digler
11-09-2010, 03:24 PM
There is no way that we'd launch a SLBM thirty miles off the coast of LA.

Are you sure about that? I do think it is interesting NORAD is saying it didn't come from a foreign source so it was either our military or an aerospace company

orange
11-09-2010, 03:25 PM
Whatever that was, it wasn't a model rocket. Kind of weird.

Don't be so sure:

http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/stories/articles/228/1.jpg

http://blog.makezine.com/extremeRocketry.jpg

"When they burn space shuttle fuel, hit speeds of mach 2 and climb to 15,000 ft., do you still call them model rockets?"

Bowser
11-09-2010, 03:26 PM
If it WAS North Korea, I'll make a bold statement and say that our sonar nets in the Pacific suck.

It was military, and I feel safe saying that it was our military. If it wasn't, we are truly fucked for having incompetents in the military, and truly blessed for terrorists not knowing how to aim, all at once.

InChiefsHell
11-09-2010, 03:27 PM
Robert Ellsworth, former Secretary of Defense under President Richard Nixon has an alternate theory. He believes, after viewing the footage, that the missile might have been an intercontinental ballistic missile and the launch might have been staged as a not-so-subtle reminder to China and North Korea of our ready nuclear arsenal.

Somebody needs to prop Mr. Ellsworth in his chair and point out that it's not 1969...this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.

Seriously, we're gonna launch a missile as a show of force against the Chinese because the POTUS is in Indonesia...what...the...blue-bloody...fuck???

Mizzou_8541
11-09-2010, 03:30 PM
I lived in Southern Cal for a few years. I saw those things flying through the sky numerous times. The first few times it was kind of weird, after that, it really wasn't a big deal. Rarely would they ever be mentioned in the news. Of course, I didn't really watch the news much becuase most of times I saw them I was on some sort of field op.

Donger
11-09-2010, 03:30 PM
Don't be so sure:

http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/stories/articles/228/1.jpg

"When they burn space shuttle fuel, hit speeds of mach 2 and climb to 15,000 ft., do you still call them model rockets?"

Yeah, I was referring to Estes-type rockets. As I said earlier, the amateur rocketeers are hardcore, but know that you have to get an FAA waiver. I suppose someone could have gone loopy.

Pants
11-09-2010, 03:33 PM
Wasn't there a contrail that looked like a missile launch in OC a few months ago?

Rain Man
11-09-2010, 03:39 PM
Sorry for the horrendous thread title, BTW. I'm not sure how that happened.


I assumed that you merely took a screen shot from your ticker tape machine.

patteeu
11-09-2010, 03:40 PM
You don't think there would be risk for china if that missle was theirs? If, and a big if at that, that missle was saber-rattling from china. Well, my guess is that would mean we are about to enter the 3rd world war.

No way any president takes a slap to the face like that and does nothing.

Yeah, we don't agree at all about the current administration.

BIG_DADDY
11-09-2010, 03:42 PM
Yeah, I was referring to Estes-type rockets. As I said earlier, the amateur rocketeers are hardcore, but know that you have to get an FAA waiver. I suppose someone could have gone loopy.

Give me a break dog, that was a huge rocket.

Pants
11-09-2010, 03:42 PM
Yeah, we don't agree at all about the current administration.

Assuming it was China's doing, what do think the previous administration would do?

Chocolate Hog
11-09-2010, 03:46 PM
Remember when people claimed they saw a missle when flight 800 went down?

Bowser
11-09-2010, 03:47 PM
Assuming it was China's doing, what do think the previous administration would do?Run to Saudi Arabia for advice; hope Cheney's heart didn't explode. Again.



*anxiously waiting patteeu's :rolleyes: response*


:D

Pants
11-09-2010, 03:49 PM
I always wanted to send a thread off to DC with a comment. Maybe this will be it!

tyton75
11-09-2010, 03:49 PM
it was a Call of Duty: Black Ops promotional stunt


:)

BIG_DADDY
11-09-2010, 03:51 PM
Don't be so sure:

http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/stories/articles/228/1.jpg

http://blog.makezine.com/extremeRocketry.jpg

"When they burn space shuttle fuel, hit speeds of mach 2 and climb to 15,000 ft., do you still call them model rockets?"

Dude, I posted the launch of that very rocket on here. It's not comparable at all. Ambassador Robert Ellsworth speculated it was an intercontinental ballistic missile fired from a submarine.

patteeu
11-09-2010, 03:52 PM
Assuming it was China's doing, what do think the previous administration would do?

Ignore it if at all possible just like they did (and the current administration has done) with the Iranian interference in Iraq and Afghanistan.

patteeu
11-09-2010, 03:54 PM
it was a Call of Duty: Black Ops promotional stunt


:)

:LOL: That's as good a theory as any!

Pants
11-09-2010, 03:55 PM
Cover it up and ignore it if at all possible just like they (and the current administration) did with the Iranian interference in Iraq and Afghanistan.

You're no fun. Do you know that?

patteeu
11-09-2010, 03:59 PM
You're no fun. Do you know that?

I prefer having fun over being fun. :)

ForeverChiefs58
11-09-2010, 03:59 PM
Maybe it was a test from someone to see our reaction

Rooster
11-09-2010, 04:31 PM
Probably that damn balloon boy again. He's trouble I tell ya.

Stewie
11-09-2010, 04:44 PM
Those are jet contrails. They always look ridiculous when the sun is setting and you're at the correct angle. Is there a giant airport nearby perhaps?

Johnny Vegas
11-09-2010, 04:48 PM
it was a Call of Duty: Black Ops promotional stunt


:)

goddamnit you took my line!!21!1!!! :)

Donger
11-09-2010, 04:52 PM
Those are jet contrails. They always look ridiculous when the sun is setting and you're at the correct angle. Is there a giant airport nearby perhaps?

Possible, but I don't think so:

Stewie
11-09-2010, 04:55 PM
Possible, but I don't think so:

Does it look anything like this jet's contrails?

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/8572/contrails.jpg

DMAC
11-09-2010, 04:59 PM
Those are jet contrails. They always look ridiculous when the sun is setting and you're at the correct angle. Is there a giant airport nearby perhaps?

You can see the blazing flames behind it.

Donger
11-09-2010, 05:01 PM
Does it look anything like this jet's contrails?

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/8572/contrails.jpg

Sure. Do you know that is from an airplane?

Stewie
11-09-2010, 05:04 PM
Sure. Do you know that is from an airplane?

Yes it was. Taken in '09 on the east coast. Angle and lighting can make things look like something they aren't. There are several pics out there just like this.

Donger
11-09-2010, 05:11 PM
Yes it was. Taken in '09 on the east coast. Angle and lighting can make things look like something they aren't. There are several pics out there just like this.

I hope that's all it is.

dirk digler
11-09-2010, 05:31 PM
Yes it was. Taken in '09 on the east coast. Angle and lighting can make things look like something they aren't. There are several pics out there just like this.

I just watched the video you can see the flames behind it

Stewie
11-09-2010, 05:34 PM
Rockets don't fly/behave like that. It's an aircraft. I'm out for the night.

DaneMcCloud
11-09-2010, 05:34 PM
The media has already begun to spin this story:

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/09/mystery-solved-missile-launch-jet-contrail/

I still think it's more than contrail.

Bowser
11-09-2010, 05:38 PM
It's just a fucking weather balloon, you kooks.

BigRedChief
11-09-2010, 06:06 PM
Rocket? ROFL

alnorth
11-09-2010, 09:04 PM
This morning when I read about this and saw the pictures I sort of raised an eyebrow and thought "really? You guys sure its not just a jet?" I presumed the media would not be so incredibly stupid as to freak out over a jet so I made a good faith assumption.

I was wrong, the media really are that damned stupid sometimes. Whichever jackass news station originally broke the story should feel humiliated.

siberian khatru
11-09-2010, 09:10 PM
Swamp gas

BigRedChief
11-09-2010, 09:19 PM
I was wrong, the media really are that damned stupid sometimes. Whichever jackass news station originally broke the story should feel humiliated.It's becoming more and more frequent. Some small town India paper says the Presidents trip costs $200 million a day. The blogsphere picks it up, people pick it up with a political viewpoint (on both sides) and say...we are not saying its true, but reports are that it costs $200 million a day, the next outlet says $200 million a day etc etc and soon some people accept it as fact. How far along should that story have gotten before someone put the numbers together. We are spending $190 million a day to fight the whole frigging war in Afghanistan. A presidential trip would seem to cost less than a friggin war.

Why didn't someone question why would the military launch a secret missle where millions of people are going to see it if it was some secret launch. Some foreign military launched a missle beside LA but it hits nothing?

People need to do some critical thinking for themselfs, not just believe whatever they hear their favorite channel, blogger, personality are telling them.

Garcia Bronco
11-09-2010, 09:23 PM
If you are 35 miles off the coast... Why would you need an FAA waiver? You are in international waters.

Dylan
11-09-2010, 09:23 PM
In Other News: Human Towers Crash

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This is the best movie I've seen all year... that's right, send those little kiddies right up there... LMAO

RJ
11-09-2010, 09:25 PM
It's becoming more and more frequent. Some small town India paper says the Presidents trip costs $200 million a day. The blogsphere picks it up, people pick it up with a political viewpoint (on both sides) and say...we are not saying its true, but reports are that it costs $200 million a day, the next outlet says $200 million a day etc etc and soon some people accept it as fact. How far along should that story have gotten before someone put the numbers together. We are spending $190 million a day to fight the whole frigging war in Afghanistan. A presidential trip would seem to cost less than a friggin war.

Why didn't someone question why would the military launch a secret missle where millions of people are going to see it if it was some secret launch. Some foreign military launched a missle beside LA but it hits nothing?

People need to do some critical thinking for themselfs, not just believe whatever they hear their favorite channel, blogger, personality are telling them.


Dang. That's going to really add up after a while.

alnorth
11-09-2010, 09:30 PM
In Other News: Human Towers Crash

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This is the best movie I've seen all year... that's right, put those little kiddies right up there... LMAO

that is really damned impressive and crazy. No way would that be allowed in the US. I'm not sure I would spend half a day watching that or support human towers being built everywhere especially with the kids on top. I am oddly satisfied to see that somewhere this impressive feat of human strength, balance, and cooperation is demonstrated and celebrated, regardless of the consequences.

Dylan
11-09-2010, 09:36 PM
That looks fun!

You gotta love Spaniards. They are insane.

Even with tissue up their nose... LMAO

The monkey kids are the best... LMAO

Marcellus
11-09-2010, 09:51 PM
Just some Raiders fan shooting his wad over beating the Chiefs.

BigRedChief
11-09-2010, 10:18 PM
Just some Raiders fan shooting his wad over beating the Chiefs.ROFL post of the year nominee

Dave Lane
11-09-2010, 11:05 PM
How do you know the space guys didn't have clearance to launch out there? Pentagon and Norad wouldn't have to be informed.

That's bizarre.

So the competing theories are these (including some of my own)?


1. China saber-rattling in a very heavy manner.
2. Some foreign sub or American sub that accidentally screwed up.
3. A secret U.S. military test.
4. Some al-quaeda guys or other bad guys on a boat trying to launch something at LA.
5. Model rocketeer having some big-time fun.
6. Someone attempting a space launch as a private-sector venture.

Anything else?

My thinking on each theory would be:

1. China saber-rattling in a very heavy manner - Not 35 miles off the U.S. coast. That's too much risk for too little reward, and I don't think hostilities are that high. Likelihood: very low.
2. Some foreign sub or American sub that accidentally screwed up. Possible, but that's an enormous screwup, and it'd have to be a combination of screwups by a combination of people. Still, it's possible if they were doing a test and people were flipping switches. Likelihood: Moderate.
3. A secret U.S. military test. Possible, but if it's that secret I don't think you do it near Los Angeles. Likelihood: Low.
4. Some al-quaeda guys or other bad guys on a boat trying to launch something at LA. Some idiots on a boat trying to launch a canister of Anthrax into Los Angeles, and then screwing it up? Sounds like them. Likelihood: Moderate to high.
5. Model rocketeer having some big-time fun. Launching a large rocket from a boat? Seems unlikely. That's a big investment. Likelihood: Low.
6. Someone attempting a space launch as a private-sector venture. If they know enough to compete, they know enough to not launch a rocket without getting airspace clearance assuming they're not Billy Bob Thornton playing Astronaut Farmer or something. Likelihood: Very Low.

Any other theories? Anyone agree/disagree with my assessment?

Dave Lane
11-09-2010, 11:07 PM
This is not allowed, especially in DC.

It's becoming more and more frequent. Some small town India paper says the Presidents trip costs $200 million a day. The blogsphere picks it up, people pick it up with a political viewpoint (on both sides) and say...we are not saying its true, but reports are that it costs $200 million a day, the next outlet says $200 million a day etc etc and soon some people accept it as fact. How far along should that story have gotten before someone put the numbers together. We are spending $190 million a day to fight the whole frigging war in Afghanistan. A presidential trip would seem to cost less than a friggin war.

Why didn't someone question why would the military launch a secret missle where millions of people are going to see it if it was some secret launch. Some foreign military launched a missle beside LA but it hits nothing?

People need to do some critical thinking for themselfs, not just believe whatever they hear their favorite channel, blogger, personality are telling them.

ClevelandBronco
11-09-2010, 11:10 PM
In Other News: Human Towers Crash

<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/16392519" width="400" height="225" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/16392519">Casteller</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user2098812">Mike Randolph</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

This is the best movie I've seen all year... that's right, send those little kiddies right up there... LMAO

Before I die I'm going there. I'm doing that.

threebag02
11-09-2010, 11:45 PM
FWIW, I launched my missile last night -- she was smokin' hot and I put her into orbit!

Don't forget to cap your lotion and wash out your towel befor your stain sets in.

Dave Lane
11-10-2010, 09:24 AM
I'm going to try this and die doing that.

FYP

gblowfish
11-10-2010, 09:49 AM
You'd think they'd find some kind of debris if it was a missile launch....
I'm glad nothing went "boom" as part of that whole exercise.

Pants
11-10-2010, 10:06 AM
You'd think they'd find some kind of debris if it was a missile launch....
I'm glad nothing went "boom" as part of that whole exercise.

It was a jet, good sir. That's why no one saw anything out of the ordinary. I don't think it's possible for NORAD to miss a freaking ballistic missile 35 miles off the coast of CONT USA.

ForeverChiefs58
11-10-2010, 10:11 AM
I am sure it was prob just santa making a dry run

crossbow
11-10-2010, 10:13 AM
And Obama is in Indonesia today. Coincidence?

This is too funny! I am still laughing.

KC Dan
11-10-2010, 10:14 AM
It was a jet, good sir. That's why no one saw anything out of the ordinary. I don't think it's possible for NORAD to miss a freaking ballistic missile 35 miles off the coast of CONT USA.Yea, I saw that underwater airport north of Catalina when my 777 flew over a couple of weeks ago... Where did it take off from?

DMAC
11-10-2010, 10:23 AM
It was a jet, good sir. That's why no one saw anything out of the ordinary. I don't think it's possible for NORAD to miss a freaking ballistic missile 35 miles off the coast of CONT USA.

I want to ride in a jet that has FIREBALLS shooting from it. COOL!

Pants
11-10-2010, 10:24 AM
Yea, I saw that underwater airport north of Catalina when my 777 flew over a couple of weeks ago... Where did it take off from?

I don't know where it took off from. Is there concrete evidence that it originated from out in the sea? It wasn't just people estimating by the look of the contrail?

Delano
11-10-2010, 10:28 AM
I don't know where it took off from. Is there concrete evidence that it originated from out in the sea? It wasn't just people estimating by the look of the contrail?

If it was just a jet, why hasn't the FAA identified it as such?
Posted via Mobile Device

KC Dan
11-10-2010, 10:30 AM
If it was just a jet, why hasn't the FAA identified it as such?
Posted via Mobile DeviceBecause it wasn't a "normal" jet. It was a military test and the gov't are not going to acknowledge that. That is my take

Pants
11-10-2010, 10:31 AM
If it was just a jet, why hasn't the FAA identified it as such?
Posted via Mobile Device

Were they asked to identify it? I don't know. All I know is that the FAA said there were no scheduled launches and they didn't see anything out of the ordinary. What do you think it was?

Delano
11-10-2010, 10:32 AM
Because it wasn't a "normal" jet. It was a military test and the gov't are not going to acknowledge that. That is my take

I am inclined to agree. Sort of. I think it was a heavy rocket sending some secret spy shit into orbit.
Posted via Mobile Device

DementedLogic
11-10-2010, 10:33 AM
I didn't read all of the posts, so I don't know if this was already posted. Neither China nor North Korea could get a submarine to our coast. Even if they could, they would never make it without being caught. I just spent 4.5 years on a submarine. Russia is the only country that could have made it that far, and they have no reason to ruffle our feathers.

KCHawg
11-10-2010, 10:34 AM
The flash of light you saw
in the sky was not a U.F.O.



Swamp gas from a weather balloon
was trapped in a thermal pocket...



and refracted the light from Venus.
</pre>

Pants
11-10-2010, 10:34 AM
I didn't read all of the posts, so I don't know if this was already posted. Neither China nor North Korea could get a submarine to our coast. Even if they could, they would never make it without being caught. I just spent 4.5 years on a submarine. Russia is the only country that could have made it that far, and they have no reason to ruffle our feathers.

Badass. What sub did you serve on?

Donger
11-10-2010, 10:37 AM
Badass. What sub did you serve on?

$20 says it was attack boats.

Donger
11-10-2010, 10:38 AM
It was a jet, good sir. That's why no one saw anything out of the ordinary. I don't think it's possible for NORAD to miss a freaking ballistic missile 35 miles off the coast of CONT USA.

Hook, line and sinker.

DementedLogic
11-10-2010, 10:39 AM
I was on USS Michigan, ssgn type, not boomer type. Yesterday was officially my last day in the Navy, but I had been on terminal leave for 2 weeks.

ClevelandBronco
11-10-2010, 10:39 AM
The flash of light you saw
in the sky was not a U.F.O.



Swamp gas from a weather balloon
was trapped in a thermal pocket...



and refracted the light from Venus.
</pre>

Alamogordo, huh? Swamp gas my ass. YOU KNOW SOMETHING!

MIAdragon
11-10-2010, 10:41 AM
I didn't read all of the posts, so I don't know if this was already posted. Neither China nor North Korea could get a submarine to our coast. Even if they could, they would never make it without being caught. I just spent 4.5 years on a submarine. Russia is the only country that could have made it that far, and they have no reason to ruffle our feathers.


Keep thinking that.

Delano
11-10-2010, 10:42 AM
I was on USS Michigan, ssgn type, not boomer type. Yesterday was officially my last day in the Navy, but I had been on terminal leave for 2 weeks.

Thank you for your service, brah.
Posted via Mobile Device

DementedLogic
11-10-2010, 10:44 AM
Keep thinking that.

My experiences allow me to know that with great confidence.

Pants
11-10-2010, 10:46 AM
Hook, line and sinker.

:tinfoil:

Brock
11-10-2010, 10:48 AM
Hook, line and sinker.

Pretentious.

Donger
11-10-2010, 10:50 AM
:tinfoil:

I was kidding. The apparent fact that NORAD didn't detect this leads to the logical conclusion that this was just a commercial flight.

ForeverChiefs58
11-10-2010, 10:51 AM
hold on a sec. let me get this straight. you mean no one believes it was santa claus testing new jets on his sleigh?

MIAdragon
11-10-2010, 10:52 AM
My experiences allow me to know that with great confidence.

I'm not going to get in a pissing match with ya, but being naval intel/DoD contractor for 10 years I can unequivocally tell you there are quite a few nations with the ability to take a sneak peek of our topless beaches. Russian boats are busy rusting away in Gremikha.

Pants
11-10-2010, 10:53 AM
I was kidding. The apparent fact that NORAD didn't detect this leads to the logical conclusion that this was just a commercial flight.

o my bad

KCHawg
11-10-2010, 10:57 AM
Alamogordo, huh? Swamp gas my ass. YOU KNOW SOMETHING!



May I have your attention?
Thank you.



If you'll gather over here.



That's right, move in closer.
That's good.



If you look right here,
I'd appreciate it. Thank you.
</pre>

Donger
11-10-2010, 10:57 AM
o my bad

Pants?

Pants
11-10-2010, 10:59 AM
Pants?

Yes. The other one was a lot more gay.

Pants
11-10-2010, 11:01 AM
I'm not going to get in a pissing match with ya, but being naval intel/DoD contractor for 10 years I can unequivocally tell you there are quite a few nations with the ability to take a sneak peek of our topless beaches. Russian boats are busy rusting away in Gremikha.

I didn't think anyone had more advanced subs than US and Russia. This is interesting. What countries are you talking about or is that TS?

ClevelandBronco
11-10-2010, 11:09 AM
May I have your attention?
Thank you.



If you'll gather over here.



That's right, move in closer.
That's good.



If you look right here,
I'd appreciate it. Thank you.
</pre>

It's...IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!

Rain Man
11-10-2010, 11:10 AM
I was on USS Michigan, ssgn type, not boomer type. Yesterday was officially my last day in the Navy, but I had been on terminal leave for 2 weeks.

Dammit, dammit, dammit! Why didn't you take me for a ride before you left? One stinkin' ride!

CoMoChief
11-10-2010, 11:23 AM
that thing was flying way too erratic to be just a jet

ClevelandBronco
11-10-2010, 11:25 AM
that thing was flying way too erratic to be just a jet

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Pants
11-10-2010, 11:26 AM
that thing was flying way too erratic to be just a jet

Because other things fly in erratic patterns. Jesus, CoMo.

Donger
11-10-2010, 11:29 AM
Because other things fly in erratic patterns. Jesus, CoMo.

I'm pretty sure that Jesus flies on the straight and narrow.

Bowser
11-10-2010, 11:29 AM
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Pants
11-10-2010, 11:33 AM
I'm pretty sure that Jesus flies on the straight and narrow.
It's easy when you're Jesus.

tyton75
11-10-2010, 11:58 AM
if it was an enemy of any kind.. why would they get that freaking close.. then fire a missle the WRONG way?

alnorth
11-10-2010, 12:12 PM
Yea, I saw that underwater airport north of Catalina when my 777 flew over a couple of weeks ago... Where did it take off from?

Hawaii. Specifically, US Airways 808 from Hawaii to Phoenix.

http://blog.bahneman.com/content/it-was-us-airways-flight-808

http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/

http://consci.s3.amazonaws.com//skitch/FlightAware_%3E_US_Airways_%23808-20101109-171103.jpg

(edit: yes, before you say it, that flight track was the day after. That hawaii to phoenix flight appears to be a daily flight which was in the area at the time of the scare. A web cam captured the contrail of that flight the day after the scare, and it looked very similar to the contrail that freaked people out.)

88TG88
11-10-2010, 12:57 PM
I haven't read the whole thread, but I've heard of this before. Some guy I went to school with told me a story like this years ago. Supposedly it was off the coast of a beach about two miles south of the airport.

orange
11-10-2010, 03:25 PM
I haven't read the whole thread, but I've heard of this before. Some guy I went to school with told me a story like this years ago. Supposedly it was off the coast of a beach about two miles south of the airport.

There's something very scary about this - not the contrail itself, but that a Deputy Secretary of Defense thought it was an ICBM. :spock:

googlegoogle
11-10-2010, 03:36 PM
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Stewie
11-10-2010, 05:43 PM
The explanation for this is simple. It's contrails.

It reminds me of the wife of my co-worker who is convinced the pyramids were built by aliens. You can't convince her otherwise despite the evidence. She sees what she wants to see. Of course, she's one person. This is a media boondoggle.

Earthling
11-10-2010, 07:23 PM
The explanation for this is simple. It's contrails.

It reminds me of the wife of my co-worker who is convinced the pyramids were built by aliens. You can't convince her otherwise despite the evidence. She sees what she wants to see. Of course, she's one person. This is a media boondoggle.

A missle with contrails ?? :D

J/K btw But, if indeed this is contrails, then why wouldn't it be more common rather than "kinda" a singular event? How many planes do we have in the sky daily ? Has anyone ever seen these kind of contrails before, ever ?

alnorth
11-10-2010, 07:31 PM
A missle with contrails ?? :D

J/K btw But, if indeed this is contrails, then why wouldn't it be more common rather than "kinda" a singular event? How many planes do we have in the sky daily ? Has anyone ever seen these kind of contrails before, ever ?

That same type of contrail in that same location in the sky (likely by that same HI-AZ jet) was seen the day after at the same time.

On that particular day a news helicopter was panning their camera out to the ocean to get some scenery shots for the background of the newscast's weather, the dumbsh*t photographer started speculating about missiles, the dumbsh*t reporters ran with the story, people stopped thinking, our government was stupidly caught flat-footed, and it caught fire on the drudge report.

Hog Farmer
11-10-2010, 08:12 PM
if it was an enemy of any kind.. why would they get that freaking close.. then fire a missle the WRONG way?


It has North Korea written all over it.

Hog Farmer
11-10-2010, 08:14 PM
The explanation for this is simple. It's contrails.

It reminds me of the wife of my co-worker who is convinced the pyramids were built by aliens. You can't convince her otherwise despite the evidence. She sees what she wants to see. Of course, she's one person. This is a media boondoggle.

The pyramids were built by aliens. I thought that was common knowledge. And BTW they're coming back in 2012 to build a few more.

Baconeater
11-10-2010, 08:46 PM
The pyramids were built by aliens. I thought that was common knowledge. And BTW they're coming back in 2012 to build a few more.
And I bet those bastards end up using illegal labor to do it.

DaFace
11-10-2010, 08:58 PM
So...basically doesn't know what contrails look like? Is that the end of this story? I haven't been paying attention.

Hog Farmer
11-10-2010, 09:16 PM
So...basically doesn't know what contrails look like? Is that the end of this story? I haven't been paying attention.


No. The real story is that North Korea after many failed attempts to launch a successful missile that will travel more than 46 miles decided to sneak one on a sub and launch it from within striking range of the U.S. Mainland. Unfortunately it was the first successful missile to travel 1200 miles. It landed in Pyong Yang. Now they have to work on their guidance systems.

Reerun_KC
11-11-2010, 03:46 PM
Everyone is doing a good job of covering this up...

orange
11-11-2010, 04:38 PM
The pyramids were built by aliens. I thought that was common knowledge. And BTW they're coming back in 2012 to build a few more.

Right-side-up this time.

http://raincityguide.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2008/12/upside-down-pyramid-building.jpg

alnorth
11-11-2010, 05:02 PM
Everyone is doing a good job of covering this up...

just on the unlikely off chance that you aren't joking, here's a hint: missiles usually travel about twice the speed of sound. The SoCal "missile" was travelling far too slow to be a missile. Maybe you dont think it is a jet, but it certainly is some kind of aircraft.

Valiant
11-11-2010, 06:04 PM
Fine.. The real truth...

Eureka students were having their rocket day.. This one got last place and did not make it to stratosphere before getting videoed.. The student was then forced to repeat 6th grade rocket science 601..

tmh
11-11-2010, 07:27 PM
Ok, well it was pretty close to catalina Island, so either, John Wayne woke up, saw the piss poor situation his country is in and blew his top or,

Skunk Works is in LA, i.e. the developer of almost 90% of all of the US black program technology in the last 40+ years, they are testing something. I know the goverment has said it wasnt a black project, but when have they ever admitted to one before they were ready anyway.

LiveSteam
11-11-2010, 07:45 PM
The US was testing a missile defense system to counter the China program that has a missile designed to take out our Aircraft Carriers.

alnorth
11-11-2010, 08:15 PM
Ok, well it was pretty close to catalina Island, so either, John Wayne woke up, saw the piss poor situation his country is in and blew his top or,

Skunk Works is in LA, i.e. the developer of almost 90% of all of the US black program technology in the last 40+ years, they are testing something. I know the goverment has said it wasnt a black project, but when have they ever admitted to one before they were ready anyway.

We went through that already. US Airways 808, daily flight from Hawaii to Arizona, over socal at the time of the freakout, created the same kind of contrail the day after.

It was a jet.

LiveSteam
11-11-2010, 08:18 PM
We went through that already. US Airways 808, daily flight from Hawaii to Arizona, over socal at the time of the freakout, created the same kind of contrail the day after.

It was a jet.

I think it was to.