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Chiefs Pantalones
11-10-2010, 04:48 PM
What are your feelings on the Chiefs since the loss? And don't base it on the fact that we lost, but how we played in that loss. Has your outlook and/or expectations changed? Do you still feel like we are winning this division?

It seems some of the excitement has since disappeared. No more playoff expectations? Our schedule is favorable but just as we can beat anybody, we proved this past Sunday we can lose to even crap teams like the Raiders.

Thoughts?


hugs and kisses,

VT

Fish
11-10-2010, 04:53 PM
We're not going to win another game. And I'll only change my mind if they win this weekend...

petegz28
11-10-2010, 04:55 PM
I still feel good about this team. Lets look at some facts of the last game.

Fluke cirumstances on the game-tying drive:

1. Washington gets hurt giving the Raiders a free stoppage of the clock
2. Raiders get called for holding under 2 minutes and no timeouts and there is no 10 second runoff
3. Washington gets called for a clear phantom hold
4. Refs review a clear catch allowing the Raiders to not have to spike the ball and giving the a long stoppage of the clock
5. Flowers has an interception go through his hands and the Raider's WR gets his hands on it and bobbles it all the way to the ground and it is not reviewed.

That shit just happens sometimes. The majority of the game tying drive was out of our hands as the Refs chose to intervene or not intervene or not enforce the rules accordingly and all ended up in the favor of the Raiders. They capitalised on it so no shame to them. They played the hand they were dealt.

Had a good Ref crew been on the field, Washington does not get called for the phantom hold, 10 secs is run off the clock bringing under 30 secs if I remember correctly, after the Raiders holding penalty, and the bobbled "catch" gets reviewed thus not allowing the Raiders the field position for the tying FG.

I thought we played well enough to keep them from tying the game but some rotten luck hit us at the worst time.

Earthling
11-10-2010, 04:55 PM
We are still on top. And we are winning more than anyone thought we would. I'm still excited.

Sully
11-10-2010, 04:55 PM
5-11

Simply Red
11-10-2010, 04:56 PM
Hopefully the internet will take cassel with it, whenever it crashes.

Pawnmower
11-10-2010, 04:56 PM
My excitement is still there...

I never got my hopes up about winning playoff games THIS season...Even before the HOU and IND losses.

The OAK loss basically doesn't change anything....like it or not, this is a rebuilding team. The progress is much faster than I could have imagined....

I am excited about the DEN game....if we can win, I think we will be in a pretty good position to at least get one playoff game.

Even one playoff game's worth of experience would be invaluable to this team IMO.

Our team is young, we faced a tough road crowd and pretty much beat ourselves last Sunday. Too many penalties, missed opportunities....

But we are growing and to me it seems we are learning and growing every week. I have really high hopes for the Chiefs for the next several years. I haven't been able to say that for a long time.

Chiefs Pantalones
11-10-2010, 04:57 PM
We are still on top. And we are winning more than anyone thought we would. I'm still excited.

But what are your expectations and have they changed?

Direckshun
11-10-2010, 04:57 PM
It was a big reality check, that this team has a lot of talent but still a ways to go.

We're going to need at least a couple more solid drafts to get this team where it needs to go.

Basically, we need to ride out the Cassel era by getting as much talent as possible, so that when we do finally discover a franchise QB, we'll be amazing.

Rausch
11-10-2010, 04:58 PM
This is our chance to rebound.

We've had some sloppy play and it's catching up with us.

It's time to turn it up. We drop this game and we're in deep $3it.

Time to pull up our big girl panties and take back our division...

Earthling
11-10-2010, 04:59 PM
But what are your expectations and have they changed?

My expectations are that we will indeed win the AFCW. I dont have expectations after that....yet.

Simply Red
11-10-2010, 05:00 PM
but some rotten luck hit us at the worst time.

That's just it though, Pete; we ALWAYS have that 'rotten luck' - we're TIRED ****ING of it. There comes a time where team and personal/player accountability HAS to be observed. I seriously would be tickled pink if they'd put Brodie in. ...And you all can call me a dumbass until you're blue in the face regarding that last sentence, if ya'll don't concur.

petegz28
11-10-2010, 05:01 PM
Look at it this way. It took the Raiders getting some fluke calls going their way at the end and they still had to beat us in OT at their house.

I know they had a ton of penalties called on them throughout the game. Lucky for them the Refs are only allowed to call holding when Hali is involved once every 8 games or they never would have had a 1st down.

Mr. Laz
11-10-2010, 05:01 PM
bit disappointed in our coordinators recently tbh

Weis is still using the same 12 plays they have been using all year

i understand that Crennel is bend,don't break but you need to fire it up occasionally just to keep the offenses honest.

petegz28
11-10-2010, 05:04 PM
That's just it though, Pete; we ALWAYS have that 'rotten luck' - we're TIRED ****ING of it. There comes a time where team and personal accountability HAS to be observed. I seriously would be tickled pink if they'd put Brodie in. ...And you all can call me a dumbass until you're blue in the face regarding that last sentence, if ya'll don't concur.

We have had rotten luck with t he officials all year. To a good extent we have played through it. I can think of one BS call that went our way and several that didn't. The problem with being accountable is you can only be so accountable when the rotten luck (calls) starts hitting you in the last minute of a game. If a Ref makes a bad call at the end of the game, Indy, Houston, Oakland, you have really no time to play through it.

KC Tattoo
11-10-2010, 05:06 PM
That was a blood thursty war against the greatest rival teams ever in the NFL. I think it brought out the best and worst in the Chiefs. It gave us a feel of how it's gonna be from now on in this division against them and renewed a burning hatred for them. It also made the Chiefs sink down and make more penalties than we've seen all season and that was uncharistic of us. So we can learn from that game, lick our wounds and fight another day. It showed nothing is going to be easy and we have to dig harder and want it more than before. That game was a gut check and this game against the Broncows is another test cuz it's rival. We still have much to improve, but we are a better team and I think we will over come this loss and use it to get better.

DaFace
11-10-2010, 05:06 PM
I haven't been sold on the playoff idea yet, and don't continue to be. I think we've got a really good shot at it, but we've got to win the games we're supposed to. The Raiders and the Chargers are both getting their shit together, so if we don't, we're screwed.

Simply Red
11-10-2010, 05:08 PM
We have had rotten luck with t he officials all year. To a good extent we have played through it. I can think of one BS call that went our way and several that didn't. The problem with being accountable is you can only be so accountable when the rotten luck (calls) starts hitting you in the last minute of a game. If a Ref makes a bad call at the end of the game, Indy, Houston, Oakland, you have really no time to play through it.

well our coordination has always been clumbsy when time is ticking, esp. while we have a narrow/slim lead. It's better now, but still, often, amateur in my opinion. Part of that is newness I guess. The time allotment needed for this staff to gel (and they may not be there yet) and youthful playboys on the field.

*hoping it gets better

petegz28
11-10-2010, 05:08 PM
If it makes anyone else we have good company at 5-3 in Indy and NE.

LaChapelle
11-10-2010, 05:11 PM
I feel that 3:15 games suck much penis

Douche Baggins
11-10-2010, 05:12 PM
I feel like we lost the Super Bowl.

It's gonna take a couple solid wins for me to get my homer legs back under me.

petegz28
11-10-2010, 05:13 PM
well our coordination has always been clumbsy when time is ticking, esp. while we have a narrow/slim lead. It's better now, but still, often, amateur in my opinion. Part of that is newness I guess. The time allotment for this staff to gell and youthful playboys on the field.

*hoping it gets better


If I am disappointed in anything it is the play calling on 3rd down. I don't understand what Weis is calling and what he is telling and not telling Cassel to do?

That being saidm Bowe dropped ball and all, we had a chance to seal that game Sunday and I will say we got some severe screwing over by the Zebras. Drawing a holding penalty is crucial in a game under 2 mins and the other team has no TO's. We did that but they refused to run the 10 secs off the clock. A holding call on the defense is huge for the offense in the last minute when they only need a FG to tie. The Raiders got a nice phantom call. Missing an interception to seal the game usually costs you only when the other team still catches the ball. Ford didn't catch it yet the booth chose not to review the suspect catch as opposed to the unquestionable catch.

There isn't anything you can do about those things. Except maybe Flowers hangs onto the ball.

Simply Red
11-10-2010, 05:14 PM
trouble is - sometimes it feels like we've waited an eternity, Carl and Herm AND DV days haven't prepped us well, ....when I say 'us' - I mean CP.

It's like going out hungover and extremely short on sleep and expecting to be able to ACTUALLY enjoy yourself, or dance, or visit, or whatever... They just aren't there yet, and it STILL sucks.

MahiMike
11-10-2010, 05:15 PM
We played on a shitty field where we couldn't run, scored 3 td's that didn't count, got screwed by the refs and lost on a fluke catch. We're still a very good team. Have faith.

Extra Point
11-10-2010, 05:19 PM
"It seems some of the excitement has since disappeared."

But not the excrement. 3rd and short, we have to run the ball.

Pick a side. A Gap: Jones. B or C Gap: Charles. Trapping Waters or Weigmann is our best option in either case.

KCtotheSB
11-10-2010, 05:20 PM
5-11 this year.
0-16 for the next 5 seasons.

KC Tattoo
11-10-2010, 05:21 PM
I think when Dexter MCluster comes back our offense will get back on track. He is a play maker that makes defense accountable for him, if he gets the ball or not.

Stinger
11-10-2010, 05:26 PM
I know this is going to sound cliche but I am just enjoying the season week to week. I really have enjoyed the season and watching the Defense emerge and seeing the young players develop week to week. On the loses so far it is really strange but I have not been that angry or upset. We have been playing as a team and not been out of any game this year, which is a pleasant surprise.

I have really enjoyed this season and it has been easier on me to go week to week and not look ahead, which the last few years we would be looking forward to the draft at this point. The playoffs are a long way away and I am just enjoying football.

As far as expectations I never had visions of playoffs this year before the season, and still don't now. Come week 13 and beyond we may talk. But as of right now I am just enjoying what they give me, which so far is more than I had expected at the beginning of the season.

Fritz88
11-10-2010, 05:27 PM
What are your feelings on the Chiefs since the loss? And don't base it on the fact that we lost, but how we played in that loss. Has your outlook and/or expectations changed? Do you still feel like we are winning this division?

It seems some of the excitement has since disappeared. No more playoff expectations? Our schedule is favorable but just as we can beat anybody, we proved this past Sunday we can lose to even crap teams like the Raiders.

Thoughts?


hugs and kisses,

VT

On a positive note, the loss was so sour that CP has received less hits ever since which is resulting in no more broken CP.

CrazyPhuD
11-10-2010, 05:27 PM
I'm always torn, I recognize that so long as we have cassel we will never win a super bowl. Given that does it really matter than much the record is? The only acceptable outcome to a season is a super bowl victory. If losing the rest of the games the season forces us to acknowledge that we will never go anywhere with cassel and dump him then this season will be a winning one. But then again you like to see improvement and breeding a winning culture because you will never win without that either.

So I'm torn I want us to lose the rest to be forced to dump cassel, but losing the rest can also set back player development for those we need stick around.

Stryker
11-10-2010, 05:28 PM
We will lose our hold on the AFC West. WE will probably split with Denver, lose to the Chargers, hopefully win against Oakland and lose against Tennessee.

I was shocked at how we started and then...reality hit. We should have won the 3 games we lost and I cannot figure for the life of me how the hell we lose games we are winning? I am sick to my stomach with the way this team has played the lately.

Hoping we get back on track sooner than later. But as of right now? :cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss:

CrazyPhuD
11-10-2010, 05:29 PM
On a positive note, the loss was so sour that CP has received less hits ever since which is resulting in no more broken CP.

Heh maybe we should change the name of the lounge to 'Help the server's fallen and it can't get up'

GoChiefsTinyPenis
11-10-2010, 05:29 PM
I can think of one BS call that went our way and several that didn't.


You mean the TD pass to Tucker that he clearly didn't get two feet down?

Or the phantom 30 yard pass interference penalty against Chris Johnson that lead to KC's first phantom TD pass to Tucker?

Or the "fumble" on the punt return by Nick Miller that clearly wasn't?

Or the many uncalled holding penalties against Brian Waters on the plays that Seymour wasn't making him look like his woman?

Or, wait. Nevermind, you're a homer. ROFL

Simply Red
11-10-2010, 05:30 PM
honest to god, we have had McClustr, we'd have beaten them.

DaneMcCloud
11-10-2010, 05:31 PM
The problem I had with Sunday's game was effort, execution and concentration.

If the Chiefs had played like they did against the Colts and Texans but still lost, I'd be fine with it. Bummed out, yes, but if they lost playing to the best of their abilities, there's nothing more you can ask of this or any team.

They broke down in all phases of the game. Special teams, defense, the run game and the passing game. Mistakes were made by Flowers, Bowe, Lilja and several others which would have altered the outcome.

All of the breakdowns are correctable but it's very clear that if the Chiefs don't play well in all phases of the game, they won't win against teams that are equally matched or better.

They don't have that single, special player on the roster that's able to put the team on his shoulders and in the face of adversity, will this team to a win.

MahiMike
11-10-2010, 05:33 PM
You mean the TD pass to Tucker that he clearly didn't get two feet down?



I stopped reading there. Idiot Faider fan.

Bearcat
11-10-2010, 05:38 PM
What are your feelings on the Chiefs since the loss? And don't base it on the fact that we lost, but how we played in that loss. Has your outlook and/or expectations changed? Do you still feel like we are winning this division?

It seems some of the excitement has since disappeared. No more playoff expectations? Our schedule is favorable but just as we can beat anybody, we proved this past Sunday we can lose to even crap teams like the Raiders.

Thoughts?


hugs and kisses,

VT

Wow, just like every other team in the NFL...

Fish
11-10-2010, 05:39 PM
I know this is going to sound cliche but I am just enjoying the season week to week. I really have enjoyed the season and watching the Defense emerge and seeing the young players develop week to week. On the loses so far it is really strange but I have not been that angry or upset. We have been playing as a team and not been out of any game this year, which is a pleasant surprise.

I have really enjoyed this season and it has been easier on me to go week to week and not look ahead, which the last few years we would be looking forward to the draft at this point. The playoffs are a long way away and I am just enjoying football.

As far as expectations I never had visions of playoffs this year before the season, and still don't now. Come week 13 and beyond we may talk. But as of right now I am just enjoying what they give me, which so far is more than I had expected at the beginning of the season.

This. Well said.

Pawnmower
11-10-2010, 05:48 PM
I want us to lose the rest to be forced to dump cassel

**** you. Mother**** you in the ass with a huge tomahawk made out of a kind of rock that is splintery and fragments easily.

Stupid ****ing moron.

Bearcat
11-10-2010, 05:55 PM
I know this is going to sound cliche but I am just enjoying the season week to week. I really have enjoyed the season and watching the Defense emerge and seeing the young players develop week to week. On the loses so far it is really strange but I have not been that angry or upset. We have been playing as a team and not been out of any game this year, which is a pleasant surprise.

I have really enjoyed this season and it has been easier on me to go week to week and not look ahead, which the last few years we would be looking forward to the draft at this point. The playoffs are a long way away and I am just enjoying football.

As far as expectations I never had visions of playoffs this year before the season, and still don't now. Come week 13 and beyond we may talk. But as of right now I am just enjoying what they give me, which so far is more than I had expected at the beginning of the season.

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I know this is going to sound completely obvious, but I am completely freaking out week to week. I've had 17 heart attacks this season while watching the Defense shit the bed at the worst possible times and seeing the young players piss down their leg. On the loses so far I've broken 27 televisions and have been banned from every Buffalo Wild Wings within 50 miles of my home. We have been on a roller coaster when we should be 8-0 right now, which just f***ing pathetic.

I have ruined my marriage this season which has made it easier on me to catch all the games this season, but I find I have nothing else to look forward to at this point. The playoffs are a long way away and I am just trying not to jump off the ledge.

As far as expectations I think it's about time we won a f***ing Super Bowl, and if you think I'm pissed now just wait until we come up short again this year. Come week 13 and beyond I'll be on suicide watch. But as of right now I am just waiting to see what they give me, but like they say, shit in one hand and hope in the other and see which one fills up first.

Discuss Thrower
11-10-2010, 05:55 PM
They're going to win enough to lower the value of their draft picks, but not enough to win the division. Awesome.

CrazyPhuD
11-10-2010, 06:01 PM
**** you. Mother**** you in the ass with a huge tomahawk made out of a kind of rock that is splintery and fragments easily.

Stupid ****ing moron.

Do you want to relive the 90s again? Because that's where we are today...the ultimate cock tease, we might do well in the regular season but we won't finish the deal until we get a QB. The question is which do you want? Regular season winning with no chance in the playoffs, or more short term pain with at least the chance of winning a super bowl, because right now we don't have that chance.

Coogs
11-10-2010, 06:07 PM
I'm still OK with things. We sit at 5-3 with a 1 1/2 game lead on Sandy Eggo. This 3rd Quarter comming up is going to be huge. At Denver, home for Arizona, at Seattle, home for Denver to close out the quarter. 3-1 would be pretty acceptable as it would put us at 8-4, and probably allow us to go into the 4th quarter with a 2 game lead at worst on the Bolts, as they have to go to Indy this quarter. Anything less would probably mean a wait until next year. However, if we should happen to go 4-0 we would be looking at a potential 3 game lead on San Diego going into the last quarter with two home games to close it out.

One game at a time, but huge quarter comming up.

DaWolf
11-10-2010, 06:09 PM
I expected us to lose the Oakland game. So while it sucked losing a winnable game, I never went into it with the expectation of us winning against that team on the road the way they were playing.

Now if we lose to Denver, it's goodnight...

Coogs
11-10-2010, 06:12 PM
Do you want to relive the 90s again? Because that's where we are today...the ultimate cock tease, we might do well in the regular season but we won't finish the deal until we get a QB. The question is which do you want? Regular season winning with no chance in the playoffs, or more short term pain with at least the chance of winning a super bowl, because right now we don't have that chance.

I prefer the chance of the payoffs this year. Even if we pick #20 or so, I might trade half of this years draft and next year #1 to move up to #1 overall and get Luck.

crossbow
11-10-2010, 06:12 PM
We are paying for the decision to spend the third overall draft pick on a reach instead of getting a franchise QB. Other then that, the moves have been solid. The trouble is: the one mistake they made was huge.

At least the Chiefs are fun to watch again and they don't look disorganized and Hermified.

Pawnmower
11-10-2010, 06:14 PM
Do you want to relive the 90s again?

The 90's was great compared to the last few seasons. Always being a playoff contender, making a Championship game...we had some good teams.

You're acting like we could just happen to make a superbowl.....Last time I checked you have to make the playoffs and build a team before you can win a superbowl....That is what we are doing. I think we are on the right path.

You are saying you WANT us to lose. That is ****ing lame IMO. I want to win every game.

kysirsoze
11-10-2010, 06:22 PM
You mean the TD pass to Tucker that he clearly didn't get two feet down?

Or the phantom 30 yard pass interference penalty against Chris Johnson that lead to KC's first phantom TD pass to Tucker?

Or the "fumble" on the punt return by Nick Miller that clearly wasn't?

Or the many uncalled holding penalties against Brian Waters on the plays that Seymour wasn't making him look like his woman?

Or, wait. Nevermind, you're a homer. ROFL

And you are a dumbass. The PI call was awful, no doubt, but so was the defensive holding call later on the Chiefs. On the fumble, the side view showed the ball was moving before he went down. I'll concede it cause it's close, but that was far from bullshit.

Tucker absolutely got theTD and Hali was held on 80% of his plays at least, including the last one.

The refs blew this game from top to bottom, but get your homery bullshit out of here.

Hog Farmer
11-10-2010, 06:42 PM
I feel like we lost the Super Bowl.

It's gonna take a couple solid wins for me to get my homer legs back under me.

This , but if you look at the big picture we've been in EVERY single game we lost. We could easily be 8-0 if just a few balls bounced our way. We could just step up and run the table from here on out.

BossChief
11-10-2010, 06:52 PM
This place will be rocking again after we destroy the Donkeys this week in a statement game.

Chiefs Pantalones
11-10-2010, 07:43 PM
This place will be rocking again after we destroy the Donkeys this week in a statement game.

Every "statement game" we've had we've lost.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-10-2010, 07:46 PM
My thoughts are that people always overrate this team after a win, and are Chicken Littles after a loss. Few rarely display the ability to see this team in the long term. The events of this season really haven't changed the long term outlook of this franchise very much:

We still need a QB
We still need help rushing the passer
We still need additional depth on the defensive line, especially at NT

Chiefshrink
11-10-2010, 07:54 PM
We need to learn as a team to "put the nail in the coffin". We play well enough to win but in golfing terms our guys need to remember to "sign their scorecard", especially Bowe! F**K!!!

Chiefs Pantalones
11-10-2010, 07:54 PM
My thoughts are that people always overrate this team after a win, and are Chicken Littles after a loss. Few rarely display the ability to see this team in the long term. The events of this season really haven't changed the long term outlook of this franchise very much:

We still need a QB
We still need help rushing the passer
We still need additional depth on the defensive line, especially at NT

Do you think this team is winning the division?

Goldmember
11-10-2010, 08:03 PM
My thoughts are that people always overrate this team after a win, and are Chicken Littles after a loss. Few rarely display the ability to see this team in the long term. The events of this season really haven't changed the long term outlook of this franchise very much:

We still need a QB
We still need help rushing the passer
We still need additional depth on the defensive line, especially at NT

Agree with you on those and add that they need a true #1 WR

Goldmember
11-10-2010, 08:06 PM
I got a bit excited after they destroyed SF, but not to the point of them running away with the division. I didn't think they would beat Indy, Houston or Oakland. I thought they had more trouble with Buffalo than I thought they would and that led me to believe they stood a good chance to lose in Oakland. I think they will finish 9-7 and no playoffs and SD will finish 10-6.

Bearcat
11-10-2010, 08:17 PM
My thoughts are that people always overrate this team after a win, and are Chicken Littles after a loss. Few rarely display the ability to see this team in the long term. The events of this season really haven't changed the long term outlook of this franchise very much:

We still need a QB
We still need help rushing the passer
We still need additional depth on the defensive line, especially at NT

Correct, people are extremely fickle, and it's like they start with a clean slate every season. At most, you can spot trends over the course of 1/4th of a season, and with a young & inexperienced team, even that can be difficult with so much parity. Regardless of whether they win 7 games or 10, make the playoffs this season, whatever, they're making progress towards being a contender in the playoffs... outside of that $60m question.

milkman
11-10-2010, 08:28 PM
This team is better than I expected, so I'm content to just let the season play out and find out where we at the end of the season.

7 to 9 wins were far beyond my expectation.

KCwolf
11-10-2010, 08:30 PM
And you are a dumbass. The PI call was awful, no doubt, but so was the defensive holding call later on the Chiefs. On the fumble, the side view showed the ball was moving before he went down. I'll concede it cause it's close, but that was far from bullshit.

Tucker absolutely got theTD and Hali was held on 80% of his plays at least, including the last one.

The refs blew this game from top to bottom, but get your homery bullshit out of here.

The officiating was horrid.....on both sides of the ball. I hope we do not see that crew again....ever.

CrazyPhuD
11-10-2010, 09:01 PM
The 90's was great compared to the last few seasons. Always being a playoff contender, making a Championship game...we had some good teams.

You're acting like we could just happen to make a superbowl.....Last time I checked you have to make the playoffs and build a team before you can win a superbowl....That is what we are doing. I think we are on the right path.

You are saying you WANT us to lose. That is ****ing lame IMO. I want to win every game.

Hey I want to win games too but the simple fact is we won't win a SB with cassel at the helm. Anything that results in his removal from this team is a positive step forward for this team, if that means losing every reaming game this year then 110% I hope that happens. It's not about winning or losing it's about getting rid of cassel.

Right now it looks like we are following the model of the 90s and that model is absolutely a failed model. It doesn't matter what we do in the regular season, what matters is what we do in the post season and the simple reality is we haven't won a playoff game since 1994. The last time we won a playoff game we had an elite(albeit aging) QB. Since then we haven't won shit. Some people like cock teases, personally I don't, you either win or you lose and the 90s chiefs are my definition of losers.

Following their model will just result in yet another 15 years of frustration. Hey it's great that we're not sucking, but now it's time to take that next step and simply put, we can't take that next step with cassel.

I like winning as much as the next guy, but if we can't actually do something in the playoffs does it really matter what we do in the regular season. See this is the fraud that's placed upon every fan, if you're running your football team as a business you care substantially less about winning in the playoffs. Winning consistently in the regular season is what sells season tickets, the 90s chiefs are a model of this. People will sell out the regular season, and you'll always sell out any games in the playoffs, but if you don't go anywhere what's the point? There's a strong incentive not to suck in the regular season because then you have empty stadiums, less TV revenue and the team may fail. But if you succeed in the regular season and sell out your games is there s strong incentive to win a SB?

I don't think so at least financially, teams are content to make the playoffs and sell out regular season games. But if you do nothing once you get there then what's the point. To me any team that can't win in the playoffs is an extremely mediocre team.

So yes I would take a whole lot of pain this year to give us a chance next year. Anything to get rid of cassel. If we do just 'ok' cassel won't likely get booted, because his contact is too big. But if we lose quite a few games, directly because of him then he is gone, and this team is better off.

Maybe you don't like it, but I'd like to think of the Chiefs as world champions, to me making the playoffs doesn't mean anything any more. There are no prizes for 2nd place.

KCtotheSB
11-10-2010, 09:06 PM
Hey I want to win games too but the simple fact is we won't win a SB with cassel at the helm. Anything that results in his removal from this team is a positive step forward for this team, if that means losing every reaming game this year then 110% I hope that happens. It's not about winning or losing it's about getting rid of cassel.

Right now it looks like we are following the model of the 90s and that model is absolutely a failed model. It doesn't matter what we do in the regular season, what matters is what we do in the post season and the simple reality is we haven't won a playoff game since 1994. The last time we won a playoff game we had an elite(albeit aging) QB. Since then we haven't won shit. Some people like cock teases, personally I don't, you either win or you lose and the 90s chiefs are my definition of losers.

Following their model will just result in yet another 15 years of frustration. Hey it's great that we're not sucking, but now it's time to take that next step and simply put, we can't take that next step with cassel.

I like winning as much as the next guy, but if we can't actually do something in the playoffs does it really matter what we do in the regular season. See this is the fraud that's placed upon every fan, if you're running your football team as a business you care substantially less about winning in the playoffs. Winning consistently in the regular season is what sells season tickets, the 90s chiefs are a model of this. People will sell out the regular season, and you'll always sell out any games in the playoffs, but if you don't go anywhere what's the point? There's a strong incentive not to suck in the regular season because then you have empty stadiums, less TV revenue and the team may fail. But if you succeed in the regular season and sell out your games is there s strong incentive to win a SB?

I don't think so at least financially, teams are content to make the playoffs and sell out regular season games. But if you do nothing once you get there then what's the point. To me any team that can't win in the playoffs is an extremely mediocre team.

So yes I would take a whole lot of pain this year to give us a chance next year. Anything to get rid of cassel. If we do just 'ok' cassel won't likely get booted, because his contact is too big. But if we lose quite a few games, directly because of him then he is gone, and this team is better off.

Maybe you don't like it, but I'd like to think of the Chiefs as world champions, to me making the playoffs doesn't mean anything any more. There are no prizes for 2nd place.

Cassel sucks, guess we should quit...are you f**king serious? We just went through a spell of winning 10 games in three seasons and now that we are rising up, you want to smack the team back down because you feel one player sucks. I don't give two shits if we win every playoff game 2-0 and Cassel throws 8 interceptions en route.

Last season, the Colts had the worst rushing attack in the league and went to the Super Bowl. Should they have given up and purposely lost so they could have a better shot in the RB in the draft? Give me a goddamn break. We start winning and now we're trying to reason on why we should purposely shit the bed.....AGAIN!

I don't like neg repping posts, but you're making it awfully tough on this one...

EDIT: Sorry, I needed to add more. Your post was THAT stupid.

Marcellus
11-10-2010, 09:12 PM
I think we got caught up in a Raiders game of penalties ad dumb shit and still should have won the game.

I worries me but I don't think that is the type of play we will see the rest of the season.

I also think the shitty field and rain at the early going worked against us. We are a running team but more of a finesse running team.

By the time things cleared up rain wise we were caught up in the penalty fest and the fact is the crowd showed up and made an impact.

We should win that game. I think we are capable of learning from that.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-10-2010, 09:13 PM
Do you think this team is winning the division?

I don't know. I will say that we've been trending downward for the last four games.

We collapsed in the 4th quarter against Houston.

Although we won big against Jacksonville, that game was pretty close for the first two and a half quarters, and if not for DJ's pick six, it may have come down to the last drive.

We played a truly horrible game against Buffalo and had a number of breakdowns on all levels against the Raiders.

In some ways, this team reminds me of a golfer who worked really hard on his swing while at the range. Normally, that can help you for the first few holes, but after a while your old habits and mechanics start to creep in and your deficiencies rear their head again.

I think some of the coaching from the OTAs and camp as well as the advanced prep work before the season is starting to wear off a bit.

I'd say they are probably 60/40 to win the division just because the schedule is so easy. I thought they were a 7-9 team going into the year, so they should exceed the wins expectation, but they don't look like a team that could finish 11-5 at all. They remind me of the 2008 Dolphins, who did it entirely with smoke, mirrors, and an easy schedule, and once the next year hit, they were a 7-8 win team.

That's what worries me for next year as well.

Chiefs Pantalones
11-10-2010, 09:15 PM
I don't know. I will say that we've been trending downward for the last four games.

We collapsed in the 4th quarter against Houston.

Although we won big against Jacksonville, that game was pretty close for the first two and a half quarters, and if not for DJ's pick six, it may have come down to the last drive.

We played a truly horrible game against Buffalo and had a number of breakdowns on all levels against the Raiders.

In some ways, this team reminds me of a golfer who worked really hard on his swing while at the range. Normally, that can help you for the first few holes, but after a while your old habits and mechanics start to creep in and your deficiencies rear their head again.

I think some of the coaching from the OTAs and camp as well as the advanced prep work before the season is starting to wear off a bit.

I'd say they are probably 60/40 to win the division just because the schedule is so easy. I thought they were a 7-9 team going into the year, so they should exceed the wins expectation, but they don't look like a team that could finish 11-5 at all. They remind me of the 2008 Dolphins, who did it entirely with smoke, mirrors, and an easy schedule, and once the next year hit, they were a 7-8 win team.

That's what worries me for next year as well.

Yeah me too. Next year's schedule looks brutal by the way.

CrazyPhuD
11-10-2010, 09:22 PM
Cassel sucks, guess we should quit...are you f**king serious? We just went through a spell of winning 10 games in three seasons and now that we are rising up, you want to smack the team back down because you feel one player sucks. I don't give two shits if we win every playoff game 2-0 and Cassel throws 8 interceptions en route.

Last season, the Colts had the worst rushing attack in the league and went to the Super Bowl. Should they have given up and purposely lost so they could have a better shot in the RB in the draft? Give me a goddamn break. We start winning and now we're trying to reason on why we should purposely shit the bed.....AGAIN!

I don't like neg repping posts, but you're making it awfully tough on this one...

EDIT: Sorry, I needed to add more. Your post was THAT stupid.

Pot this is kettle, you're black....considering you missed the entire point of my post what do you expect me to say?

Bearcat
11-10-2010, 09:31 PM
I like winning as much as the next guy, but if we can't actually do something in the playoffs does it really matter what we do in the regular season. See this is the fraud that's placed upon every fan, if you're running your football team as a business you care substantially less about winning in the playoffs. Winning consistently in the regular season is what sells season tickets, the 90s chiefs are a model of this. People will sell out the regular season, and you'll always sell out any games in the playoffs, but if you don't go anywhere what's the point? There's a strong incentive not to suck in the regular season because then you have empty stadiums, less TV revenue and the team may fail. But if you succeed in the regular season and sell out your games is there s strong incentive to win a SB?

I don't think so at least financially, teams are content to make the playoffs and sell out regular season games. But if you do nothing once you get there then what's the point. To me any team that can't win in the playoffs is an extremely mediocre team.


The whole "get rid of Cassel at all costs" comes on a bit strong, but the rest of it makes a lot of sense... it should actually be really obvious, but somehow isn't. Cassel doesn't have to be great (not that you said he does), but right now I don't have any confidence that he could string together multiple playoff wins, and that's all that matters. This year? 7 wins, 9 wins, playoffs, one playoff win... whatever, I'll take it. Next year, the year after that.... well, I either hope Cassel can continue to improve and get much better in key situations (especially since his number seems to get called an awful lot in key (running :# ) situations), or he gets the hook.

This team doesn't ruin me any longer when they lose or don't live up to expectations and I'll continue to enjoy watching blah blah, but to watch a team grow from Herm to a regular season contender, just to be one-and-done playoff frauds in future seasons because of the QB position, would be pretty rough.

Frankie
11-10-2010, 09:36 PM
What are your feelings on the Chiefs since the loss? And don't base it on the fact that we lost, but how we played in that loss. Has your outlook and/or expectations changed? Do you still feel like we are winning this division?

It seems some of the excitement has since disappeared.

Nothing has disappeared. The Chiefs were the better team last Sunday. But they were in a divisional rivalry and played with less discipline than before. Upsets happen in those conditions, especially on the other guys' turf.

Frankie
11-10-2010, 09:41 PM
I still feel good about this team. Lets look at some facts of the last game.

Fluke cirumstances on the game-tying drive:

1. Washington gets hurt giving the Raiders a free stoppage of the clock
2. Raiders get called for holding under 2 minutes and no timeouts and there is no 10 second runoff
3. Washington gets called for a clear phantom hold
4. Refs review a clear catch allowing the Raiders to not have to spike the ball and giving the a long stoppage of the clock
5. Flowers has an interception go through his hands and the Raider's WR gets his hands on it and bobbles it all the way to the ground and it is not reviewed.

That shit just happens sometimes. The majority of the game tying drive was out of our hands as the Refs chose to intervene or not intervene or not enforce the rules accordingly and all ended up in the favor of the Raiders. They capitalised on it so no shame to them. They played the hand they were dealt.

Had a good Ref crew been on the field, Washington does not get called for the phantom hold, 10 secs is run off the clock bringing under 30 secs if I remember correctly, after the Raiders holding penalty, and the bobbled "catch" gets reviewed thus not allowing the Raiders the field position for the tying FG.

I thought we played well enough to keep them from tying the game but some rotten luck hit us at the worst time.

All this + the shameful way the refs let the opposition's LT hold Tamba on almost all plays. Thanks to DVR I saw some take downs that wrestling stars would be proud of.

Pawnmower
11-10-2010, 09:45 PM
Hey I want to win games too but the simple fact is we won't win a SB with cassel at the helm. Anything that results in his removal from this team is a positive step forward for this team, if that means losing every reaming game this year then 110% I hope that happens. It's not about winning or losing it's about getting rid of cassel.


You are a huge fucking moron. You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. If getting rid of cassel was so important why hasn't the FO done that already? Fuck you for wishing us to lose. Fuck you sir. And for thinking you know more than the FO, well...that just speaks for itself. Have fun flipping burgers or selling phones at the mall.

KCtotheSB
11-10-2010, 09:58 PM
Pot this is kettle, you're black....considering you missed the entire point of my post what do you expect me to say?

Ah, so what's the secret "point" of your "let's purposely suck so we can replace our quarterback" post? Afraid that we'll be back to where we were in the 90's where we were competitive but just not able to get over the hump? The past three years, the 90's have looked pretty goddamn good in comparison.

I'd much rather prefer a shot in the playoffs than waiting a century or two until we're juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust perfect in order to make our postseason run. What's that? Our second string tight end doesn't look good? Well, time to blow chunks this season so we can find a new one. You go with what you got and make the best of it.

But for the hell of it, let's say we do go 5-11 and get ourselves a new quarterback in the Draft. I suppose that cures what ails us, eh? There's absolutely no chance he'll be a flop or (god forbid) be worse than Cassel.

I'm not going to pretend to say I like Cassel at all. The guy makes some stupid throws and misses the mark way more than we should....but purposely bombing a season where we are 5-3 and have just as much chance to make the playoffs as any other team in the West IN ORDER TO JUST GET RID OF CASSEL? I can't even begin to comprehend that type of stupidity.

Pawnmower
11-10-2010, 10:04 PM
Hey I want to win games too

You just said you wanted to lose you ****ing douche.

DOnt lie, you already told us CLEARLY that you want the Chiefs to lose so you can be 'right' about Matt Cassel.

**** you.

Coogs
11-11-2010, 07:27 AM
Hey I want to win games too but the simple fact is we won't win a SB with cassel at the helm. Anything that results in his removal from this team is a positive step forward for this team, if that means losing every reaming game this year then 110% I hope that happens. It's not about winning or losing it's about getting rid of cassel.


We were in position to get anyone of the top QB's in the last 3 drafts. Ryan, Stafford, Sanchez, and Bradford. Yes, we would have had to traded up to get 3 of the 4, but all of those teams were shopping their picks before the draft, so it was a doable option.

And I think it is too early to tell if the 90's would be repeated with a team built in that same mold. Marty's teams clearly became more conservative in the playoffs than they were in the regular season. Time will tell if Haley will do the same. Hopefully we start finding out the answer to that part this season, but if not... :shrug:... hey, it's been a lot more fun this season than the last several seasons combined already, and there are still 8 games to go.

One at a time... see what happens.

petegz28
11-11-2010, 07:30 AM
All this + the shameful way the refs let the opposition's LT hold Tamba on almost all plays. Thanks to DVR I saw some take downs that wrestling stars would be proud of.

There was one play I will get when GC posts his torrent, where Hali was literaly getting helmet raped. I mean hands to the face multiple times in one play and not 1 flag was thrown.