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Count Zarth
11-14-2010, 06:56 PM
Cassel is sacked, effectively ends the competitive portion of the game with a fumble sixer, and goes to the sideline.

The camera captures him laying into Barry Richardson for, apparently, failing to pick up the blitz.

B-Rich has struggled with this a few times this year. Apparently Cassel had "had enough" or some BS.

FUCK THAT

First of all, FUCK CASSEL. We were down 28-0 before he took that snap BECAUSE HE DID NOTHING. He stood around and watched our defense get anally violated while he jerked off in the corner.

Then, he fumbles, and he starts talking to Richardson because he missed his assignment? Cassel didn't even get hit hard.

FRANCHISE QUARTERBACKS DON'T FUMBLE JUST BECAUSE THEY GET HIT, DUMBASS. THEY HOLD ON TO THE FUCKING FOOTBALL.

And then Haley backs up his quarterback AND BENCHES BARRY RICHARDSON FOR THE REST OF THE GAME FOR THAT SACK OF SHIT RYAN O'CALLAGHAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fuck that shit. Haley should have yanked Matt Casshole out of the game after he floated the second turd out there on yet ANOTHER failed third-down conversion.

Matt Cassel is a piece of shit and he should leave Barry Richardson alone. I'd bet anything right now B-Rich has a 10-year career here and Cassel is gone within three.

Fuck Matt Cassel, fuck Todd Haley for backing him up on this, and fuck Ryan O'Failaghan, because he sucked ass in this game like he always does.

FAX
11-14-2010, 07:00 PM
You seem a tad frenzied in your fearsome attacks of rage, Mr. GoghChiefs. They're going off in every direction ... kinda like Cassel passes, dude.

No offense, but I think maybe you need to take a walk or a shower or pour a can of soda over your head or something.

Regards,

FAX

Samson
11-14-2010, 07:00 PM
real "classless"...right?

threebag02
11-14-2010, 07:01 PM
Fuck

GoChiefsTinyPenis
11-14-2010, 07:03 PM
Keep your chins up GoChiefs!

Count Zarth
11-14-2010, 07:05 PM
You seem a tad frenzied in your fearsome attacks of rage, Mr. GoghChiefs. They're going off in every direction ... kinda like Cassel passes, dude.

No offense, but I think maybe you need to take a walk or a shower or pour a can of soda over your head or something.

Regards,

FAX

I'm a mushroom cloud laying motherfucker, motherfucker.

DBOSHO
11-14-2010, 07:05 PM
My hate of matt cassel has gone to depths i never though possible.

I now hate him more than philip rivers and manning. Almost combined. I want him to go far away.

I watch brady in the pocket. He stands there, calm and cool, going through his reads, and when he finds a man, he guns it with zip and accuracy. Everytime i see him pass the ball i think "why cant matt cassel do that?"

Rain Man
11-14-2010, 07:06 PM
I was curious about O'Callaghan and assumed that maybe he'd been given the starting job back and I had missed it. So Barry was in early in the game?

doomy3
11-14-2010, 07:07 PM
At halftime on 101, they said Richardson was out with an injury.

FAX
11-14-2010, 07:07 PM
My hate of matt cassel has gone to depths i never though possible.

I now hate him more than philip rivers and manning. Almost combined. I want him to go far away.

I watch brady in the pocket. He stands there, calm and cool, going through his reads, and when he finds a man, he guns it with zip and accuracy. Everytime i see him pass the ball i think "why cant matt cassel do that?"

I've been thinking about that too, Mr. DBOSHO. A lot.

And, I've decided it's because Cassel is distracted by the large volumes of steaming urine flowing down his inner thigh on pass plays.

FAX

Shogun
11-14-2010, 07:08 PM
You seem a tad frenzied in your fearsome attacks of rage, Mr. GoghChiefs. They're going off in every direction ... kinda like Cassel passes, dude.

No offense, but I think maybe you need to take a walk or a shower or pour a can of soda over your head or something.

Regards,

FAX

I'm a mushroom cloud laying mother****er, mother****er.

I love you guys

tk13
11-14-2010, 07:09 PM
I was curious about O'Callaghan and assumed that maybe he'd been given the starting job back and I had missed it. So Barry was in early in the game?

Regardless of what reason they gave, Richardson was in the game and did not play after the play where Cassel got hit and fumbled.

LaChapelle
11-14-2010, 07:09 PM
You forgot to wear your lucky underwear today didn't you
it's all on you

Marcellus
11-14-2010, 07:10 PM
The 7 TD's the defense gave up doesn't boil your blood? Wow.

I guess that's because it wasn't something you expected and so you wouldn't be right.

Rain Man
11-14-2010, 07:10 PM
What happened to Waters? I saw that Asamoah was in at left guard in the second half, too.

doomy3
11-14-2010, 07:11 PM
What happened to Waters? I saw that Asamoah was in at left guard in the second half, too.

Hurt his shoulder and leg.

Shogun
11-14-2010, 07:11 PM
What happened to Waters? I saw that Asamoah was in at left guard in the second half, too.

When you're getting pounded in the ass harder than Jenna Haze for 30 minutes, by more black guys, you gotta switch it up, I guess.

kcpasco
11-14-2010, 07:13 PM
When you're getting pounded in the ass harder than Jenna Haze for 30 minutes, by more black guys, you gotta switch it up, I guess.

This.

Waters has been bent over and abused lately

BigRock
11-14-2010, 07:13 PM
Can't wait for the impending GoChiefs thread called "ATHAN: Cassel proves he's a franchise QB".

PornChief
11-14-2010, 07:14 PM
you guys think you're pissed? That was the first Chiefs game in 4 years they showed live down here (every other I got to find a torrent if I want to watch) and after all that time the game shown is this clusterfuck. Imagine me all happy joy joy gonna watch the chiefs on the big screen wooo then shortly after the game begins and...

Rain Man
11-14-2010, 07:14 PM
Hurt his shoulder and leg.

Shoulder AND leg? What's up with that?

Asamoah did fine in pass protection for the most part, which was great. I'm not sure what was happening in the running game, but our backs had no lanes or holes at all today.

FAX
11-14-2010, 07:15 PM
What happened to Waters?

He just sort of exploded in a blast of red, gold, and greenish goo. I think Seymour may have ended his career.

FAX

Shogun
11-14-2010, 07:15 PM
you guys think you're pissed? That was the first Chiefs game in 4 years they showed live down here (every other I got to find a torrent if I want to watch) and after all that time the game shown is this cluster****. Imagine me all happy joy joy gonna watch the chiefs on the big screen wooo then shortly after the game begins and...

I think we all know how this story ends....

MATT CASSEL WITH 460 YARDS AND 4 TDS!


fuck im sad

Count Zarth
11-14-2010, 07:15 PM
At halftime on 101, they said Richardson was out with an injury.

That is a load of fucking bullshit.

Fucking coverup for some stupid "lesson" they were trying to teach B-Rich.

Shogun
11-14-2010, 07:16 PM
I have no idea how Moreno had so many holes. Well, I do. But I don't understand why it was allowed to happen.

GloryDayz
11-14-2010, 07:16 PM
My hate of matt cassel has gone to depths i never though possible.

I now hate him more than philip rivers and manning. Almost combined. I want him to go far away.

I watch brady in the pocket. He stands there, calm and cool, going through his reads, and when he finds a man, he guns it with zip and accuracy. Everytime i see him pass the ball i think "why cant matt cassel do that?"

This... It's a ball, you get paid $26M to throw it, throw it well motherfu**er.

Marcellus
11-14-2010, 07:17 PM
This... It's a ball, you get paid $26M to throw it, throw it well motherfu**er.

Cassel told the defense to lay an egg so he could get some big time garbage time stats.

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-14-2010, 07:26 PM
Calm like explosive diarrhea.

GloryDayz
11-14-2010, 07:29 PM
Cassel told the defense to lay an egg so he could get some big time garbage time stats.

STFU! Just because the D had a VERY bad day doesn't mean cASShole doesn't suck... His accuracy is horrible compared to other QBs in the league. Are you watching Brady right now? That'd be nice! And his hapy feet are epic! I blitz him every play, he can't handle it. just let him see you coming, or even planning on it, and you can count on him dancing a jig in the back field.

doomy3
11-14-2010, 07:34 PM
STFU! Just because the D had a VERY bad day doesn't mean cASShole doesn't suck... His accuracy is horrible compared to other QBs in the league. Are you watching Brady right now? That'd be nice! And his hapy feet are epic! I blitz him every play, he can't handle it. just let him see you coming, or even planning on it, and you can count on him dancing a jig in the back field.

There are maybe 5 QBs in the entire NFL that make the throws Brady makes.

Sure, it'd be great to have one of them.

But, as of now, the only QBs we have passed up in the draft are Sanchez, Clausen, McCoy and Freeman.

Most on the board would have thrown a fit if we drafted the latter two, and although they're playing well, I don't see anyone on that list who is going to be a bona fide franchise QB, IMO.

Hindsight being what it is, it would have been nice to go after Orton, but we didn't have a guy like Cutler to trade to the Bears to get him, either.

Pawnmower
11-14-2010, 07:45 PM
First of all, **** CASSEL. We were down 28-0 before he took that snap BECAUSE HE DID NOTHING.

yah he shouldve played LB, S, DB , DT, and DE better oh and CB

**** him bro!!!!

Marcellus
11-14-2010, 07:46 PM
STFU! Just because the D had a VERY bad day doesn't mean cASShole doesn't suck... His accuracy is horrible compared to other QBs in the league. Are you watching Brady right now? That'd be nice! And his hapy feet are epic! I blitz him every play, he can't handle it. just let him see you coming, or even planning on it, and you can count on him dancing a jig in the back field.

Nobody is saying that. But if you want to bitch about Cassel because the defense had a VERY bad day, go for it. Cassel didn't have a VERY bad day.

He had a Cassel like day (or half really which is his MO) which is mediocre. Had the defense played mediocre we may have been in it.

milkman
11-14-2010, 07:50 PM
There are maybe 5 QBs in the entire NFL that make the throws Brady makes.

Sure, it'd be great to have one of them.

But, as of now, the only QBs we have passed up in the draft are Sanchez, Clausen, McCoy and Freeman.

Most on the board would have thrown a fit if we drafted the latter two, and although they're playing well, I don't see anyone on that list who is going to be a bona fide franchise QB, IMO.

Hindsight being what it is, it would have been nice to go after Orton, but we didn't have a guy like Cutler to trade to the Bears to get him, either.

We had Cassel.
:D

As for whether we would have thrown a fit if we drafted any of those QBs, if Freeman and McCoy were making the plays fr teh Chiefs that they are for their respective teams, we'd get over it.

I'd have had a fit if the Chiefs drafted Drew Brees, but I'd have gotten over it.

Pawnmower
11-14-2010, 07:52 PM
The 7 TD's the defense gave up doesn't boil your blood? Wow.

I guess that's because it wasn't something you expected and so you wouldn't be right.

this

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-14-2010, 07:52 PM
We had Cassel.
:D

As for whether we would have thrown a fit if we drafted any of those QBs, if Freeman and McCoy were making the plays fr teh Chiefs that they are for their respective teams, we'd get over it.

I'd have had a fit if the Chiefs drafted Drew Brees, but I'd have gotten over it.

I'd have had a fit over Bradford, but I DAMN sure would have gotten over that REAL fucking quick-like.

milkman
11-14-2010, 07:52 PM
Nobody is saying that. But if you want to bitch about Cassel because the defense had a VERY bad day, go for it. Cassel didn't have a VERY bad day.

He had a Cassel like day (or half really which is his MO) which is mediocre. Had the defense played mediocre we may have been in it.

The problem is, if we had been in it, Cassel would never have played the game he played today, and the likelyhood that he makes a play when we need a play is minimal, at best.

Cassel is not responsible for this loss.

The defense lost this game.
The running game let us down.

But Cassel did nothing to stop the bleeding.

Shogun
11-14-2010, 07:55 PM
I'd have had a fit over Bradford, but I DAMN sure would have gotten over that REAL ****ing quick-like.

Same. Maybe with Matthew Staffhuard also

patteeu
11-14-2010, 07:55 PM
Shoulder AND leg? What's up with that?

Asamoah did fine in pass protection for the most part, which was great. I'm not sure what was happening in the running game, but our backs had no lanes or holes at all today.

I've been told that that was Matt Cassel's fault.

GloryDayz
11-14-2010, 07:59 PM
The bottom line is our scouting staff is either not very good, has bad luck, or doesn't seem to have any dumb luck...

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-14-2010, 07:59 PM
Same. Maybe with Matthew Staffhuard also

Stafford and Sanchez would have had brutal first seasons in KC, but who gives a fuck? Look at the way they have both been playing, look at the learning curve, and then tell me one year of face palm's "isn't worth it".

Fuck QB quick-fixers. Fuck them in the ass.

Marcellus
11-14-2010, 08:00 PM
The problem is, if we had been in it, Cassel would never have played the game he played today, and the likelyhood that he makes a play when we need a play is minimal, at best.

Cassel is not responsible for this loss.

The defense lost this game.
The running game let us down.

But Cassel did nothing to stop the bleeding.

I agree to an extent. A big play or 2 in the 2nd quarter could have made a difference though the defensive performance in the 2nd half makes me doubt that.

I think it's easy to blame Cassel because believing that he is our main issue today takes focus away from the complete defensive meltdown, lack of running game, and offensive line failure.

In other words it's easier to say it's Cassel not the team. Today it was the team not Cassel.

Harder to think about fixing so many problems rather than just replacing the QB.

Personally I think this game was an exception to the norm as a team and we won't see anything of that nature again this year and you can put the blame squarely on Cassel later. :harumph:

Shogun
11-14-2010, 08:01 PM
Which brings me to my next point. Can we please Draft a QB. I am now getting more comfortable with Bowe so we can hold off on the WR spot especially if we got somebody like Kevin Curtis. The right QB will make the kind of throws that are catchable for them. Bowe didn't have much trouble catching passes from Thigpen iirc.

GloryDayz
11-14-2010, 08:09 PM
I agree to an extent. A big play or 2 in the 2nd quarter could have made a difference though the defensive performance in the 2nd half makes me doubt that.

I think it's easy to blame Cassel because believing that he is our main issue today takes focus away from the complete defensive meltdown, lack of running game, and offensive line failure.

In other words it's easier to say it's Cassel not the team. Today it was the team not Cassel.

Harder to think about fixing so many problems rather than just replacing the QB.

Personally I think this game was an exception to the norm as a team and we won't see anything of that nature again this year and you can put the blame squarely on Cassel later. :harumph:


At $26M, I think cASShole needs to understand that he has to make a difference. He can't be that guy who says, "hey, I only make the league minimum". he has to go out there and make something happen. How about complete a few more passes. Sure, some will be dropped, but, so far, it' only because the WR aren't used to being hit in the numbers. The bottom line, the QB will always be the focal point of the blame. That's why the get paid the big buks, and they get protected like no other player on the field.

Count Zarth
11-14-2010, 08:11 PM
At $26M, I think cASShole needs to understand that he has to make a difference. He can't be that guy who says, "hey, I only make the league minimum". he has to go out there and make something happen.

Cassel's ineptitude was particularly embarrassing today considering the terrific games Sanchez and Colt McCoy battled one another with.

Marcellus
11-14-2010, 08:12 PM
At $26M, I think cASShole needs to understand that he has to make a difference. He can't be that guy who says, "hey, I only make the league minimum". he has to go out there and make something happen. How about complete a few more passes. Sure, some will be dropped, but, so far, it' only because the WR aren't used to being hit in the numbers. The bottom line, the QB will always be the focal point of the blame. That's why the get paid the big buks, and they get protected like no other player on the field.

Whatever he makes, say it was $100MM (that's $100,000,000 to make it clear to you) he didn't give up 7 TD's on defense today. No matter how much he has sucked.

Clear enough?

Marcellus
11-14-2010, 08:14 PM
Cassel's ineptitude was particularly embarrassing today considering the terrific games Sanchez and Colt McCoy battled one another with.

Your posting ineptitude today has been rather embarrassing as well.

Sanchez threw at least 2 sure INTs right into defenders hands that they dropped, but hey he battled. Did you watch the game?

FAX
11-14-2010, 08:14 PM
Honestly, if we can stand to watch it ... it would be great to gif up some of those Casspasses that highlight his mechanics. His body is really, really open on some of those throws ... it's weird, really.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a quarterback with the kind of body "control" that Cassel has when he's not pressured or on the move for whatever reason.

FAX

Thig Lyfe
11-14-2010, 08:16 PM
B-b-but he threw for a gazilliion yards!

Rain Man
11-14-2010, 08:17 PM
While I think Cassel gets only a minor proportion of the blame today (along with everyone else), I did notice something interesting. In warmups he was throwing it right between the numbers of the receivers. Once the game started, he was overthrowing as usual. I don't think it's his mechanics as much as it is his propensity to panic in game situations.

patteeu
11-14-2010, 08:17 PM
At $26M, I think cASShole needs to understand that he has to make a difference.

You sound like they pay him out of your bank account.


How about complete a few more passes.

I think they showed a graphic that said he had 12 completions out of his first 16 passes.

DBOSHO
11-14-2010, 08:19 PM
How soon before people realize that defenses get gassed if the offense keeps going 3 and out?

GloryDayz
11-14-2010, 08:19 PM
Whatever he makes, say it was $100MM (that's $100,000,000 to make it clear to you) he didn't give up 7 TD's on defense today. No matter how much he has sucked.

Clear enough?

Yeah, but the cASShole-led 3-and-outs sure helped then to those TDs. He11, he was one of them. So you go back to being happy in the cASShole Harem. Enjoy... Cr@p, answer a few more of those SEVEN TDs with one of your own, and it might have been interesting. Stop with the manlove! We know the D sucked D, it doesn't mean cASShole or Todd the golfer get a free pass..

Marcellus
11-14-2010, 08:21 PM
How soon before people realize that defenses get gassed if the offense keeps going 3 and out?

Um, gassed and steam rolled aren't the same. They got gassed in the 1st qtr? The first 3 and out was on JC for not setting after going in motion.

Not making excuses, just the facts.

patteeu
11-14-2010, 08:21 PM
How soon before people realize that defenses get gassed if the offense keeps going 3 and out?

You're defending today's defensive performance? Really?

jd1020
11-14-2010, 08:21 PM
Honestly, if we can stand to watch it ... it would be great to gif up some of those Casspasses that highlight his mechanics. His body is really, really open on some of those throws ... it's weird, really.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a quarterback with the kind of body "control" that Cassel has when he's not pressured or on the move for whatever reason.

FAX

I'd rather see the server crash on an overload of passes where Cassel gets rushed, stutter steps, and dumps it off into the middle of the pacific.

Count Zarth
11-14-2010, 08:21 PM
Your posting ineptitude today has been rather embarrassing as well.

Sanchez threw at least 2 sure INTs right into defenders hands that they dropped, but hey he battled. Did you watch the game?

All I give a fuck about is that Mark Sanchez has led two comebacks two weeks in a row and made several incredibly pretty passes in doing it. When his team has ABSOLUTELY needed him to perform he has come through.

He's played 25 games as a pro and keeps getting better every game.

Meanwhile Cassel just overthrew a pass to a wide open receiver running five yards down the field.

Marcellus
11-14-2010, 08:23 PM
Yeah, but the cASShole-led 3-and-outs sure helped then to those TDs. He11, he was one of them. So you go back to being happy in the cASShole Harem. Enjoy... Cr@p, answer a few more of those SEVEN TDs with one of your own, and it might have been interesting. Stop with the manlove! We know the D sucked D, it doesn't mean cASShole or Todd the golfer get a free pass..

Read this if you can. I DON'T LIKE CASSEL.

That doesn't mean he lost us the game when the defense, 0-line, and most of the team shit the bed.

Like I said before, easy to blame Cassel so you take the blame away from the rest of the team sucking ass.

GloryDayz
11-14-2010, 08:25 PM
All I give a **** about is that Mark Sanchez has led two comebacks two weeks in a row and made several incredibly pretty passes in doing it. When his team has ABSOLUTELY needed him to perform he has come through.

He's played 25 games as a pro and keeps getting better every game.

Meanwhile Cassel just overthrew a pass to a wide open receiver running five yards down the field.

This!!!!

FAX
11-14-2010, 08:27 PM
While I think Cassel gets only a minor proportion of the blame today (along with everyone else), I did notice something interesting. In warmups he was throwing it right between the numbers of the receivers. Once the game started, he was overthrowing as usual. I don't think it's his mechanics as much as it is his propensity to panic in game situations.

I think that's very true, Mr. Rain Man.

However, I think it's the "panic" stuff that causes him to forget his mechanics (such as they are), maybe. It's like he gets all jumpy and stuff. Freaks out or something at the snap. Honestly, it's very strange.

For example, there was a play late in the game where he suffered no pressure whatsoever, had plenty of time to throw, and had a nice, open lane. From the endzone camera angle, you could clearly see how open his body was ... it wasn't sidearm, exactly, but a strange motion. No step into the throw. No use of his hips or legs. Weird. And very unusual compared to other quarterbacks in the league ... or college.

FAX

Marcellus
11-14-2010, 08:27 PM
All I give a **** about is that Mark Sanchez has led two comebacks two weeks in a row and made several incredibly pretty passes in doing it. When his team has ABSOLUTELY needed him to perform he has come through.

He's played 25 games as a pro and keeps getting better every game.

Meanwhile Cassel just overthrew a pass to a wide open receiver running five yards down the field.

So it's OK to ignore it when Sanchez almost lost them the game in the redzone multiple times. It's ok because they won.

OK.

Count Zarth
11-14-2010, 08:30 PM
So it's OK to ignore it when Sanchez almost lost them the game in the redzone multiple times. It's ok because they won.

OK.

I don't really give a fuck.

The Jets' defense isn't what it was last year and they are still winning games. Sanchez has been amazing the last two weeks.

He is only going to keep getting better.

Meanwhile Matt Cassel is stuck on gridlock traffic and Chiefs fans are choking on the exhaust fumes. Arrowhead is going to die from carbon monoxide poisoning if he's here in two years.

DBOSHO
11-14-2010, 08:30 PM
You're defending today's defensive performance? Really?

Of course not, but it doesnt really help when your offense doesnt steal the momentum back or even give you a breather.

Chiefnj2
11-14-2010, 08:32 PM
I don't really give a ****.

The Jets' defense isn't what it was last year and they are still winning games. Sanchez has been amazing the last two weeks.

He is only going to keep getting better.

Meanwhile Matt Cassel is stuck on gridlock traffic and Chiefs fans are choking on the exhaust fumes. Arrowhead is going to die from carbon monoxide poisoning if he's here in two years.

There is no way you could have watched the game today. Sanchez was not amazing today.

Rain Man
11-14-2010, 08:33 PM
I think that's very true, Mr. Rain Man.

However, I think it's the "panic" stuff that causes him to forget his mechanics (such as they are), maybe. It's like he gets all jumpy and stuff. Freaks out or something at the snap. Honestly, it's very strange.

For example, there was a play late in the game where he suffered no pressure whatsoever, had plenty of time to throw, and had a nice, open lane. From the endzone camera angle, you could clearly see how open his body was ... it wasn't sidearm, exactly, but a strange motion. No step into the throw. No use of his hips or legs. Weird. And very unusual compared to other quarterbacks in the league ... or college.

FAX

Yeah, that's what I was intending to communicate too. The panic makes him forget his mechanics. It's not like he can't do it because he does fine when he's not in a game situation. Something about the opening kickoff makes him forget everything.

Marcellus
11-14-2010, 08:34 PM
There is no way you could have watched the game today. Sanchez was not amazing today.

That is the exact thing I was about to post. He was horrendous in the redzone which the only reason it went to OT.

He should have lost the game for them.

GC didn't watch the game and is talking out his ass.

Marcellus
11-14-2010, 08:35 PM
Of course not, but it doesnt really help when your offense doesnt steal the momentum back or even give you a breather.

You mean like JC not setting after going in motion on a key 3rd down that would have been a 1st down?

patteeu
11-14-2010, 08:36 PM
Of course not, but it doesnt really help when your offense doesnt steal the momentum back or even give you a breather.

That's true, but it's also true that the defense had plenty of opportunities to steal back the momentum or come up with a stop so they could get a breather on the sidelines and they failed repeatedly. Kyle Orton hit Chiefs defenders in the hands 3 different times and they couldn't come up with a pick, for example.

Count Zarth
11-14-2010, 08:37 PM
There is no way you could have watched the game today. Sanchez was not amazing today.

The Jets were 11 for 21 on third down, Sanchez threw for 300 yards, and the Jets' longest run was only 10 yards. Their running game was VERY mediocre.

The guy overcame adversity on the road against a hot Browns team.

The day Matt Cassel throws for 300 yards and 2 TDs and runs for another and the Chiefs win, I will suck him off in kind.

Sanchez > Cassel

doomy3
11-14-2010, 08:39 PM
The Jets were 11 for 21 on third down, Sanchez threw for 300 yards, and the Jets' longest run was only 10 yards. Their running game was VERY mediocre.

The guy overcame adversity on the road against a hot Browns team.

The day Matt Cassel throws for 300 yards and 2 TDs and runs for another and the Chiefs win, I will suck him off in kind.

Sanchez > Cassel

Did you watch the Jets' game?

Marcellus
11-14-2010, 08:39 PM
The Jets were 11 for 21 on third down, Sanchez threw for 300 yards, and the Jets' longest run was only 10 yards. Their running game was VERY mediocre.

The guy overcame adversity on the road against a hot Browns team.

The day Matt Cassel throws for 300 yards and 2 TDs and runs for another and the Chiefs win, I will suck him off in kind.

Sanchez > Cassel

Go ahead and ignore the bad passes and potential game losing throws. Just look at the stats on NFL.com.

You will also find there that Cassel had a hell of a game.

Count Zarth
11-14-2010, 08:41 PM
I watched parts of it.

Maybe he wasn't "amazing."

Whatever.

Sanchez > Cassel

milkman
11-14-2010, 08:48 PM
So it's OK to ignore it when Sanchez almost lost them the game in the redzone multiple times. It's ok because they won.

OK.

Given how people have put Brett Favre on a pedestal for his comeback wins through the years, I'd have to say the answer to your question is "Yes".

-King-
11-14-2010, 08:51 PM
All I give a fuck about is that Mark Sanchez has led two comebacks two weeks in a row and made several incredibly pretty passes in doing it. When his team has ABSOLUTELY needed him to perform he has come through.

He's played 25 games as a pro and keeps getting better every game.

Meanwhile Cassel just overthrew a pass to a wide open receiver running five yards down the field.

:spock: Sanchez sucks. His 2 slants were pretty? Really? Did you miss the INT he threw in OT? Or the pick 6 that the defender dropped in the 4th quarter?

Yeah, you probably missed them because you didn't watch the game.

Sanchez hasn't done SHIT special. He sucks, just not as bad as Cassel. For a 2nd year QB, Freeman is light years ahead of Sanchez, and the talent around the two QBs isn't even comparable.

Marcellus
11-14-2010, 08:53 PM
Given how people have put Brett Favre on a pedestal for his comeback wins through the years, I'd have to say the answer to your question is "Yes".

Not in the same stratosphere. He should have lost the game today multiple times. He was playing a young inconsistent Browns team. The same team when we barely beat them it was seen as a negative.

Now he is a hero by beating them with 10 seconds left in OT.

That's hypocrisy.

Count Zarth
11-14-2010, 08:54 PM
Sanchez is 2-0 the last two weeks while throwing for 635 yards and 3 TD with 2 rushing TD.

Stats are for losers, but when you win and put up stats like that everyone should really just STFU.

And by the way, NY's running game was VERY mediocre in both games.

Coogs
11-14-2010, 08:55 PM
But, as of now, the only QBs we have passed up in the draft are Sanchez, Clausen, McCoy and Freeman.


I'm going to have to disagree here. We had options to trade up and aquire Ryan, Stafford, and possibly even Bradford as well. Teams were openly shopping those draft slots... but we stayed put.

We spent a 2nd rounder for Cassel. I would have gladly have spent that 2nd rounder any of those years to moved up the few slots we would have needed to go to land any of those three.

And I believe Ryan would have been the easiest, as both Miami and St. Louis were looking hard at trying to get out of their #1 and #2 draft position.

I'm not sure where we will wind up this season in the draft order, but I would give up quite a bit to move up for Luck. JMO

-King-
11-14-2010, 08:56 PM
Sanchez is 2-0 the last two weeks while throwing for 635 yards and 3 TD with 2 rushing TD.

Stats are for losers, but when you win and put up stats like that everyone should really just STFU.

And by the way, NY's running game was VERY mediocre in both games.

FUCK YEAH! He beat the Lions and Browns and had good stats while doing it!

MEXICO! FUCK YEAH!!! Sanchez to save the MOTHERFUCKING DAY!

-King-
11-14-2010, 08:57 PM
I'm going to have to disagree here. We had options to trade up and aquire Ryan, Stafford, and possibly even Bradford as well. Teams were openly shopping those draft slots... but we stayed put.

How in the hell do you know that?

IMO, the only player we missed out on was Freeman. I think he's turning out to be a franchise QB. We can't say that "we could have traded up and got so and so" because you don't know if the trade up opportunity was there.

Count Zarth
11-14-2010, 08:58 PM
FUCK YEAH! He beat the Lions and Browns and had good stats while doing it!

MEXICO! FUCK YEAH!!! Sanchez to save the MOTHERFUCKING DAY!

Tom Brady couldn't beat Cleveland.

I'm of the belief that any road win in the NFL is a quality win.

Sanchez haters should step off. Cassel sucks balls in comparison.

Marcellus
11-14-2010, 08:59 PM
Sanchez is 2-0 the last two weeks while throwing for 635 yards and 3 TD with 2 rushing TD.

Stats are for losers, but when you win and put up stats like that everyone should really just STFU.

And by the way, NY's running game was VERY mediocre in both games.

You are simply refusing to listen at this point. NY won today despite Sanchez trying to give the game up at key times. He didn't win it for them, they won despite his mistakes.

Hell the game should have never gone to OT.

milkman
11-14-2010, 08:59 PM
Not in the same stratosphere. He should have lost the game today multiple times. He was playing a young inconsistent Browns team. The same team when we barely beat them it was seen as a negative.

Now he is a hero by beating them with 10 seconds left in OT.

That's hypocrisy.

Not in the same straosphere?

What?

I've said it again and again through the years.

Brett Favre is the most overrated QB ever, in large part because of combacks he's engineered in games is which he's directly or indirectly responsible for putting his team in position to have to come back.

And in case you missed it, the Browns have improved substantially since we played them.

They've beaten New Orleans and New England in consecutive weeks, in large part, because of the play of Colt McCoy, who didn't play against the Chiefs.

There's no way in hell the Chiefs would beat either of those teams right now.

-King-
11-14-2010, 09:00 PM
Tom Brady couldn't beat Cleveland.

I'm of the belief that any road win in the NFL is a quality win.

Sanchez haters should step off. Cassel sucks balls in comparison.

So because Tom Brady couldn't beat Cleveland...that makes them a good team? Good to know, because Cassel beat Cleveland also.

Marcellus
11-14-2010, 09:01 PM
Not in the same straosphere?

What?

I've said it again and again through the years.

Brett Favre is the most overrated QB ever, in large part because of combacks he's engineered in games is which he's directly or indirectly responsible for putting his team in position to have to come back.

And in case you missed it, the Browns have improved substantially since we played them.

They've beaten New Orleans and New England in consecutive weeks, in large part, because of the play of Colt McCoy, who didn't play against the Chiefs.

There's no way in hell the Chiefs would beat either of those teams right now.

I agree Favre and Sanchez are both overrated.

Coogs
11-14-2010, 09:02 PM
How in the hell do you know that?

IMO, the only player we missed out on was Freeman. I think he's turning out to be a franchise QB. We can't say that "we could have traded up and got so and so" because you don't know if the trade up opportunity was there.

I guess I'm not absolutely sure, but it was pretty much the talk on all of the nightly shows on TV leading up to the draft. :shrug:

I guess I just tended to believe what they were saying.

jd1020
11-14-2010, 09:03 PM
Not in the same straosphere?

What?

I've said it again and again through the years.

Brett Favre is the most overrated QB ever, in large part because of combacks he's engineered in games is which he's directly or indirectly responsible for putting his team in position to have to come back.

And in case you missed it, the Browns have improved substantially since we played them.

They've beaten New Orleans and New England in consecutive weeks, in large part, because of the play of Colt McCoy, who didn't play against the Chiefs.

There's no way in hell the Chiefs would beat either of those teams right now.

If anything Favre is under rated. Think about it... How amazing do you have to be to have records for the most fumbles and interceptions and still have the record for yards/tds?

-King-
11-14-2010, 09:03 PM
I guess I'm not absolutely sure, but it was pretty much the talk on all of the nightly shows on TV leading up to the draft. :shrug:

I guess I just tended to believe what they were saying.

The talk was also that Pioli would never draft a safety high. Talk is just talk.

BigMeatballDave
11-14-2010, 09:04 PM
When you're getting pounded in the ass harder than Jenna Haze for 30 minutes, by more black guys, you gotta switch it up, I guess.LMAO

milkman
11-14-2010, 09:04 PM
I agree Favre and Sanchez are both overrated.

I'm saying that QBs make mistakes.

It's what they do in the clutch that defines them.

So when you ask if it's ok to ignore what he did before he made plays to win teh game, the answer is yes.

milkman
11-14-2010, 09:05 PM
I agree Favre and Sanchez are both overrated.

At this point, I would agree with you.

doomy3
11-14-2010, 09:06 PM
I'm going to have to disagree here. We had options to trade up and aquire Ryan, Stafford, and possibly even Bradford as well. Teams were openly shopping those draft slots... but we stayed put.

We spent a 2nd rounder for Cassel. I would have gladly have spent that 2nd rounder any of those years to moved up the few slots we would have needed to go to land any of those three.

And I believe Ryan would have been the easiest, as both Miami and St. Louis were looking hard at trying to get out of their #1 and #2 draft position.

I'm not sure where we will wind up this season in the draft order, but I would give up quite a bit to move up for Luck. JMO

I'm talking about the Pioli era. Ryan was drafted the year before.

As far as Stafford, he has looked good when healthy, but he can't stay healthy.

And Pittsburgh was rumored to have offered their first round pick AND Roethlisberger to the Rams for the chance to draft Bradford this year. You think we could have moved up with a second?

Chiefnj2
11-14-2010, 09:06 PM
:spock: Sanchez sucks. His 2 slants were pretty? Really? Did you miss the INT he threw in OT? Or the pick 6 that the defender dropped in the 4th quarter?

Yeah, you probably missed them because you didn't watch the game.

Sanchez hasn't done SHIT special. He sucks, just not as bad as Cassel. For a 2nd year QB, Freeman is light years ahead of Sanchez, and the talent around the two QBs isn't even comparable.

There is no use debating. He didn't watch the game. He watched a few highlights and is reading stats.

-King-
11-14-2010, 09:08 PM
I'm saying that QBs make mistakes.

It's what they do in the clutch that defines them.

So when you ask if it's ok to ignore what he did before he made plays to win teh game, the answer is yes.

Yeah, but he also threw a pick during clutch time. In the 4th quarter, they were at midfield in position to win it and Sanchez threw a pick.

BigMeatballDave
11-14-2010, 09:09 PM
The problem is, if we had been in it, Cassel would never have played the game he played today, and the likelyhood that he makes a play when we need a play is minimal, at best.

Cassel is not responsible for this loss.

The defense lost this game.
The running game let us down.

But Cassel did nothing to stop the bleeding.This sums it up perfectly.

Coogs
11-14-2010, 09:09 PM
The talk was also that Pioli would never draft a safety high. Talk is just talk.

Whatever dude.

-King-
11-14-2010, 09:15 PM
FWIW, the Jets had 172 yards rushing. Not so mediocre as GoChiefs wants to paint it.

milkman
11-14-2010, 09:16 PM
Yeah, but he also threw a pick during clutch time. In the 4th quarter, they were at midfield in position to win it and Sanchez threw a pick.

I'm just pointing out how flawed the question posed by Marcellus is.

When it's all said and done, the Jet won, and what Sanchez did to that point didn't lose them the game.

-King-
11-14-2010, 09:16 PM
I'm just pointing out how flawed the question posed by Marcellus is.

When it's all said and done, the Jet won, and what Sanchez did to that point didn't lose them the game.

Fair enough.

doomy3
11-14-2010, 09:19 PM
I'm just pointing out how flawed the question posed by Marcellus is.

When it's all said and done, the Jet won, and what Sanchez did to that point didn't lose them the game.

But see, that's the double standard here.

Sanchez tried to blow the game in the 4th quarter and overtime, then throws a quick slant to Holmes that Holmes breaks for the game winner.

"That Sanchez is a winner. He makes plays when he needs to."

Cassel does essentially the exact same thing against Buffalo, and all the same people on this board say we won that game despite Cassel, and all the talk is about how he should have won the game earlier in overtime, or the 4th quarter.

That's what drives me crazy about this place.

Mile High Mania
11-14-2010, 09:21 PM
I thought you were going to refer to this moment... when I knew you had just given great vibes to Moreno prior to the game.

Chiefs are gonna keep both safeties back in this game, because there is zero threat of a running game.

Uh ooh - I think you just assured Moreno of having his first career 100 yard rushing game.

Shut the **** up or I'll bump every post I made last season about Slowshon Moreno being a bust.

chiefzilla1501
11-14-2010, 09:21 PM
Sanchez is 2-0 the last two weeks while throwing for 635 yards and 3 TD with 2 rushing TD.

Stats are for losers, but when you win and put up stats like that everyone should really just STFU.

And by the way, NY's running game was VERY mediocre in both games.

Sanchez is better than Cassel. But what point does that prove?

I don't think a great game against Detroit should justify his status as a franchise QB. He played shitty against Cleveland today. We tore Matt Cassel apart against Buffalo because he didn't take advantages of opportunities to win the game when it mattered most. The same standard should apply to Sanchez. Good on him for making a key pass in a clutch moment. But it shouldn't take you an entire OT to do it and if it does, that's a much bigger credit to your defense.

Count Zarth
11-14-2010, 09:23 PM
FWIW, the Jets had 172 yards rushing. Not so mediocre as GoChiefs wants to paint it.

What?

LT and Greene barely combined for 130 yards on almost FORTY carries. That's a terrible average per rush.

That team won because Sanchez converted third downs.

The fucker throws the game winning TD two weeks in a row and you want to bash him.

Fuck off. You and Matt Cassel.

milkman
11-14-2010, 09:24 PM
But see, that's the double standard here.

Sanchez tried to blow the game in the 4th quarter and overtime, then throws a quick slant to Holmes that Holmes breaks for the game winner.

"That Sanchez is a winner. He makes plays when he needs to."

Cassel does essentially the exact same thing against Buffalo, and all the same people on this board say we won that game despite Cassel, and all the talk is about how he should have won the game earlier in overtime, or the 4th quarter.

That's what drives me crazy about this place.

I agree, it is a double standard.

But at the same time, Sanchez played on the road against a Cleveland team that had won consecutive games against the best the league has to offer.

Cassel was playing a home game against the only winless team in the league at the time.

-King-
11-14-2010, 09:25 PM
What?

LT and Greene barely combined for 130 yards on almost FORTY carries. That's a terrible average per rush.

That team won because Sanchez converted third downs.

The fucker throws the game winning TD two weeks in a row and you want to bash him.

Fuck off. You and Matt Cassel.

He didn't throw a game winning TD last week. Go back to your stats. You obviously don't watch the games.

Count Zarth
11-14-2010, 09:25 PM
I thought you were going to refer to this moment... when I knew you had just given great vibes to Moreno prior to the game.



Uh ooh - I think you just assured Moreno of having his first career 100 yard rushing game.

Moreno didn't do shit.

Your offensive line opened holes and he ran through them.

He didn't make anyone miss or run anyone over. He had an average game.

A good running back would have had 150+ today.

He did make a nice play on his TD catch but other than that, he was no Peyton Hillis.

Mile High Mania
11-14-2010, 09:28 PM
Moreno didn't do shit.

Your offensive line opened holes and he ran through them.

He didn't make anyone miss or run anyone over. He had an average game.

A good running back would have had 150+ today.

He did make a nice play on his TD catch but other than that, he was no Peyton Hillis.

My bad... 156 total yards and a TD, you're right - he was very sparish today. Moreno only had 22 carries - plus, why run when you throw 5 TDs... and Lloyd is making circus catches.

Count Zarth
11-14-2010, 09:30 PM
My bad... 156 total yards and a TD, you're right - he was very sparish today. Moreno only had 22 carries - plus, why run when you throw 5 TDs... and Lloyd is making circus catches.

His longest run was 14 yards and the hole was gaping fucking wide open.

He's nothing special whatsoever.

chiefzilla1501
11-14-2010, 09:34 PM
I agree, it is a double standard.

But at the same time, Sanchez played on the road against a Cleveland team that had won consecutive games against the best the league has to offer.

Cassel was playing a home game against the only winless team in the league at the time.

milkman, here's what has really turned me off about Sanchez. Every time I watch the guy play, I have never, ever, ever seen a QB hold on to the ball for as long as he does and get away with it. I think he has arguably the best pass protecting line in the NFL. And his receivers are miles ahead of the Chiefs'.

So yeah, I'd take Sanchez over Cassel, but I haven't seen nearly enough that leads me to believe Sanchez is a franchise QB just yet.

Mile High Mania
11-14-2010, 09:36 PM
His longest run was 14 yards and the hole was gaping ****ing wide open.

He's nothing special whatsoever.

I never said he was ... I think he's been a failed bit so far, but he had a good game, I'll give him credit.

milkman
11-14-2010, 09:38 PM
milkman, here's what has really turned me off about Sanchez. Every time I watch the guy play, I have never, ever, ever seen a QB hold on to the ball for as long as he does and get away with it. I think he has arguably the best pass protecting line in the NFL. And his receivers are miles ahead of the Chiefs'.

So yeah, I'd take Sanchez over Cassel, but I haven't seen nearly enough that leads me to believe Sanchez is a franchise QB just yet.

I've never hidden the fact that I liked Sanchez coming out of school a lot, but at the same time, I think I've been fair in my assessment of his play to this point.

He hasn't shown that he's a franchise QB.

But I've said numerous times that he won't begin to get it until next year, and am actually surprised that he has played as well as he has, which is just above mediocre, this year.

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-15-2010, 06:18 PM
B-b-but he threw for a gazilliion yards!

Your boy looked pretty good yesterday.

Pasta Giant Meatball
11-15-2010, 06:25 PM
ROFL This game was over before it started. It pains me to say it, but Denver was better prepared, better coached, and wanted it more. Our Chiefs looked like they had 8 men on defense. Crennel has to be embarrased.

FAX
11-15-2010, 06:31 PM
ROFL This game was over before it started. It pains me to say it, but Denver was better prepared, better coached, and wanted it more. Our Chiefs looked like they had 8 men on defense. Crennel has to be embarrased.

Totally agree.

FAX

Donger
11-15-2010, 06:37 PM
My Bronco-loving son actually had the temerity to console me during the game. He chose poorly.

HemiEd
11-15-2010, 06:49 PM
Yeah, that's what I was intending to communicate too. The panic makes him forget his mechanics. It's not like he can't do it because he does fine when he's not in a game situation. Something about the opening kickoff makes him forget everything.

Yeah, he is like a dog that robs the eggs from the chicken house. Only way to cure them is to shoot them, it can't be fixed.

el borracho
11-15-2010, 06:50 PM
There are maybe 5 QBs in the entire NFL that make the throws Brady makes.

Sure, it'd be great to have one of them.

But, as of now, the only QBs we have passed up in the draft are Sanchez, Clausen, McCoy and Freeman.

Most on the board would have thrown a fit if we drafted the latter two, and although they're playing well, I don't see anyone on that list who is going to be a bona fide franchise QB, IMO.

Hindsight being what it is, it would have been nice to go after Orton, but we didn't have a guy like Cutler to trade to the Bears to get him, either.
Aaron Rodgers.

FAX
11-15-2010, 06:55 PM
My Bronco-loving son actually had the temerity to console me during the game. He chose poorly.

LOL

Did you forcibly remove his temerities?

FAX

-King-
11-15-2010, 06:56 PM
Aaron Rodgers.

Tom Brady.