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Carlota69
11-15-2010, 01:44 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/40188005#40188005

Micjones
11-15-2010, 02:10 PM
Good defenses don't get creamed? Interesting...

Tell that to the #1-ranked Giants who've had 30+ hung on it by the "feeble" Cowboys...TWICE.
They've also surrendered 35 to the Colts.

The #2-ranked Chargers gave up 35 to Oakland.
The #3-ranked Saints gave 30 to Cleveland AND Arizona.

I don't think the Chiefs defense is comparable to any of the three I cited...My point is simply...even the BEST defenses get dogwalked from time-to-time.

LiL stumppy
11-15-2010, 02:16 PM
Good defenses don't get creamed? Interesting...

Tell that to the #1-ranked Giants who've had 30+ hung on it by the "feeble" Cowboys...TWICE.
They've also surrendered 35 to the Colts.

The #2-ranked Chargers gave up 35 to Oakland.
The #3-ranked Saints gave 30 to Cleveland AND Arizona.

I don't think the Chiefs defense is comparable to any of the three I cited...My point is simply...even the BEST defenses get dogwalked from time-to-time.

good post. i agree

Demonpenz
11-15-2010, 02:21 PM
open the door get on the floor everybody walk the dinasour

Douche Baggins
11-15-2010, 02:23 PM
void of any real substance

Douche Baggins
11-15-2010, 02:24 PM
I don't think the Chiefs defense is comparable to any of the three I cited...My point is simply...even the BEST defenses get dogwalked from time-to-time.

That's why you need a quarterback.

Bewbies
11-15-2010, 03:46 PM
void of any real substance

Isn't this what happens when you discuss a team you never watch?

donkhater
11-15-2010, 04:34 PM
That's why you need a quarterback.

You mean like Pittsburgh?

blazzin311
11-15-2010, 04:53 PM
Good defenses don't get creamed? Interesting...

Tell that to the #1-ranked Giants who've had 30+ hung on it by the "feeble" Cowboys...TWICE.
They've also surrendered 35 to the Colts.

The #2-ranked Chargers gave up 35 to Oakland.
The #3-ranked Saints gave 30 to Cleveland AND Arizona.

I don't think the Chiefs defense is comparable to any of the three I cited...My point is simply...even the BEST defenses get dogwalked from time-to-time.

Damn straight...excellent post! :clap:

KChiefs1
11-15-2010, 05:08 PM
What did you guys expect?

Mr. Flopnuts
11-15-2010, 05:45 PM
Good. We'll see if this inspires them at all.

Micjones
11-15-2010, 08:10 PM
That's why you need a quarterback.

I'm not sure ANY QB could've saved us from a 5 TD deficit.

CaliforniaChief
11-15-2010, 08:13 PM
If they can't get inspired by the whooping they received, then they're screwed.

I fully expect them to rip off 3 straight impressive wins going into the San Diego game. And that includes trashing Denver's ass in 3 weeks.

Douche Baggins
11-15-2010, 08:15 PM
I'm not sure ANY QB could've saved us from a 5 TD deficit.

If we had a real QB we would not have been down 35-0 at any point.

Maybe we would have been down by 10 or 14 points but we would have finished our own drives and put up touchdowns and been in the fucking game.

BCD
11-15-2010, 09:39 PM
If we had a real QB we would not have been down 35-0 at any point.

Maybe we would have been down by 10 or 14 points but we would have finished our own drives and put up touchdowns and been in the fucking game.This is what the Cassel apologists dont get.

stevieray
11-15-2010, 10:06 PM
If we had a real QB we would not have been down 35-0 at any point.

Maybe we would have been down by 10 or 14 points but we would have finished our own drives and put up touchdowns and been in the ****ing game.
ya, that oline and those fifty yards of rushing were pure phenom...

thurman merman
11-15-2010, 10:09 PM
Good defenses don't get creamed? Interesting...

Tell that to the #1-ranked Giants who've had 30+ hung on it by the "feeble" Cowboys...TWICE.
They've also surrendered 35 to the Colts.

The #2-ranked Chargers gave up 35 to Oakland.
The #3-ranked Saints gave 30 to Cleveland AND Arizona.

I don't think the Chiefs defense is comparable to any of the three I cited...My point is simply...even the BEST defenses get dogwalked from time-to-time.

Steelers' defense got creamed yesterday too.

Douche Baggins
11-15-2010, 10:17 PM
ya, that oline and those fifty yards of rushing were pure phenom...

Well allow me to retort.

http://uranus.ckt.net/%7Egochiefs/oak/suckass.gif

stevieray
11-15-2010, 10:28 PM
Well allow me to retort.

http://uranus.ckt.net/%7Egochiefs/oak/suckass.gif
strawman...every QB overthrows WR's. Bowe and Cassel pwned Champ Bailey.

Last time I checked we're a running team first...if you can't run the ball, or stop the run, you usually lose..It's exactly why that foundation is trying to be established.

Chiefs fans are the goats. they've been bipolar...we suck, no we don't, yes we do....no, it's just Cassel...:rolleyes: I told you Haley hasn't once said this was a good team, yet everyone had it in their heads that we were this close to over the hump halfway through the second season of almost a complete gutting. you set yourself up for it, and are wigging out because you can.

fiddy yards..12.5 a qtr. wooboy.

Douche Baggins
11-15-2010, 10:30 PM
strawman...every QB overthrows WR's.

And some QBs do it more than others.

Those QBs are called SHITTY QBS.


Bowe and Cassel pwned Champ Bailey.

:rolleyes:

I'm sure he'll remember this weekend's game in that light. He'll go to sleep thinking "damn, Cassel really toasted my ass this week."

jd1020
11-15-2010, 10:30 PM
strawman...every QB overthrows WR's.

Oh please... Thats a 12 yard pass to a WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE open receiver. That throw was barely catchable 5 yards beyond his intended target.

stevieray
11-15-2010, 10:32 PM
Oh please... Thats a 12 yard pass to a WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE open receiver. That throw was barely catchable 5 yards beyond his intended target.
you don't have to be open to be overthrown.

stevieray
11-15-2010, 10:34 PM
And some QBs do it more than others.

Those QBs are called SHITTY QBS.



:rolleyes:

I'm sure he'll remember this weekend's game in that light. He'll go to sleep thinking "damn, Cassel really toasted my ass this week."

so shitty I'm sure champ will coast through in three weeks..won't even have to try.

jd1020
11-15-2010, 10:34 PM
you don't have to be open to be overthrown.

You can't possibly be making a case for that pass with a straight face. It's impossible.

stevieray
11-15-2010, 10:36 PM
You can't possibly be making a case for that pass with a straight face. It's impossible.
ya, it wasn't a great pass. shit happens.

jd1020
11-15-2010, 10:37 PM
ya, it wasn't a great pass. shit happens.

Shit happens alot for Cassel.

stevieray
11-15-2010, 10:41 PM
Shit happens alot for Cassel.
and so do good things.
they put the ball in his hands and he responded. he made some great throws yesterday... I think they need to open it up more.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-15-2010, 10:44 PM
Where were these great throws?

Was it against the Cover 4 shell when the corners were playing 10 yards off the WR and giving up everything short?

Or was it in the time when the game was in doubt and he was sailing every imaginable throw over every open receiver's head?

Everyone looks confident and accurate playing against a prevent defense.

And the sack-fumble he took was all on him, and every bit as bad as any Favre pick 6.

BCD
11-15-2010, 10:54 PM
and so do good things.
they put the ball in his hands and he responded. he made some great throws yesterday... I think they need to open it up more.I hope they do open it up more. Unfortunately for Matt, he's not always gonna see a prevent D.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-15-2010, 10:58 PM
I hope they do open it up more. Unfortunately for Matt, he's not always gonna see a prevent D.

Then you better prepare yourself for a lot of Buffalo '09 games, where he grades out perfectly while throwing four picks. The guy cannot read a defense.

stevieray
11-15-2010, 11:05 PM
I hope they do open it up more. Unfortunately for Matt, he's not always gonna see a prevent D.and the run game isn't always going to stall...and the defense isn't always going to give up four consecutive scores. (twice now)

DaneMcCloud
11-15-2010, 11:47 PM
and the run game isn't always going to stall...and the defense isn't always going to give up four consecutive scores. (twice now)

This team has been trending downward for six games. Many of the same problems that existed before the draft and free agency exist now and most people thought that they couldn't be fixed in 2010.

If this team wins more than three out of their next seven, I'll be pleasantly surprised. IMO, two seems more likely.

KcFanInGA
11-16-2010, 12:28 AM
I honestly tried to support Matt Cassel. I can't do it anymore. If the defense is going to start giving up massive pass plays just like last year, we need to at least be able to score. Just had to get that off my chest.

Three7s
11-16-2010, 12:31 AM
Hey Pete and Dan, have you ever heard of Donald Washington and Ricky Price? No? That's why the Chiefs defense stunk.

Rausch
11-16-2010, 12:37 AM
What did you guys expect?

A much more prepared and disciplined team...

Buck
11-16-2010, 12:38 AM
Good defenses don't get creamed? Interesting...

Tell that to the #1-ranked Giants who've had 30+ hung on it by the "feeble" Cowboys...TWICE.
They've also surrendered 35 to the Colts.

The #2-ranked Chargers gave up 35 to Oakland.
The #3-ranked Saints gave 30 to Cleveland AND Arizona.

I don't think the Chiefs defense is comparable to any of the three I cited...My point is simply...even the BEST defenses get dogwalked from time-to-time.

The Chargers gave up a safety on a punt block, a touchdown on a punt block, and a fumble return for a TD, so that's really 19 points.

donkhater
11-16-2010, 04:56 AM
I wonder how many people put the Pit loss against NE at the feet of Big Ben. I mean, they did give up 39 pts. Or I guess McNabb was the main reason Phi hung 59 on Wash.

Sure, they didn't help. It's a team game after all, but I bet they aren't seen with the same level of vitriol on this board. You guys really do need help with your Cassel obsessions.

Rausch
11-16-2010, 05:08 AM
I wonder how many people put the Pit loss against NE at the feet of Big Ben.

Just stop...

:facepalm:

milkman
11-16-2010, 05:33 AM
I wonder how many people put the Pit loss against NE at the feet of Big Ben. I mean, they did give up 39 pts. Or I guess McNabb was the main reason Phi hung 59 on Wash.

Sure, they didn't help. It's a team game after all, but I bet they aren't seen with the same level of vitriol on this board. You guys really do need help with your Cassel obsessions.

Actually, McNabb has been overrated for years.

I bet Andy Reid and the Philly front office is sitting back in their offices laughing their asses off at getting over on the Skins in that trade.

Rausch
11-16-2010, 05:38 AM
Actually, McNabb has been overrated for years.

I bet Andy Reid and the Philly front office is sitting back in their offices laughing their asses off at getting over on the Skins in that trade.

He's use to finding ways to win with fucking Mike Tomczak and Detmer brother level guys.

Considering they paid peanuts for the new Vick and he's done s'ploded all over.....yeah.........Reid is pretty fucking dance-happy.

movinbones
11-16-2010, 06:44 AM
If we had a real QB we would not have been down 35-0 at any point.

Maybe we would have been down by 10 or 14 points but we would have finished our own drives and put up touchdowns and been in the ****ing game.

this

Simply Red
11-16-2010, 07:07 AM
Peyton or Brady or any of the other top fives could unload 3 passes while our Matt still ponders where he'll pass HIS 1st pass. I will say this much about Croyle - he can quickly release the ball. You know? just how they teach you in pop-warner league....

Edit: Cassel was sacked while I typed th^t

stevieray
11-16-2010, 07:11 AM
fiddy yards...wooboy.

58-4ever
11-16-2010, 07:19 AM
fiddy yards...wooboy.

The game got out of hand quickly. I think that kind of changes the game plan.

Micjones
11-16-2010, 12:26 PM
Well allow me to retort.

http://uranus.ckt.net/%7Egochiefs/oak/suckass.gif

Good thing those two defenders closing in on Cassel don't count toward the Offensive Line ineptitude on Sunday.

Micjones
11-16-2010, 12:29 PM
Stick with one argument please fellas...
One minute he can't hit an open receiver...The next, he's only hitting them because the defense is playing soft coverage (so they're...y'know open). Which is it?

BCD
11-16-2010, 12:40 PM
Good thing those two defenders closing in on Cassel don't count toward the Offensive Line ineptitude on Sunday.There's no excuse for missing on that pass. None.

Micjones
11-16-2010, 12:58 PM
There's no excuse for missing on that pass. None.

Actually there's a PERFECT reason for not hitting his target there.

Passes sail when QB's can't step into throws and follow through. Something tells me that the LB barreling in on him might've had something to do with that.

-Championship-
11-16-2010, 01:00 PM
I remember Chief fans were bragging 3 weeks how footballsoutsiders.com has them ranked #1 in DVOA or some shit like that. ROFL

It's like during you Chief fans forgot who you were for a second. You don't have a long history of greatness where you are supposed to expect to win. You're the Chiefs. Not the Raiders, not the Cowboys, Packers, or 49ers, or Steelers. But the Chiefs.

Losing is what you guys do. Last place is where a irrelevant franchise like the Chiefs belong

Micjones
11-16-2010, 01:14 PM
I remember Chief fans were bragging 3 weeks how footballsoutsiders.com has them ranked #1 in DVOA or some shit like that. ROFL

It's like during you Chief fans forgot who you were for a second. You don't have a long history of greatness where you are supposed to expect to win. You're the Chiefs. Not the Raiders, not the Cowboys, Packers, or 49ers, or Steelers. But the Chiefs.

Losing is what you guys do. Last place is where a irrelevant franchise like the Chiefs belong

This coming from a Raiders fan?

WebGem
11-16-2010, 01:17 PM
Good defenses don't get creamed? Interesting...

Tell that to the #1-ranked Giants who've had 30+ hung on it by the "feeble" Cowboys...TWICE.
They've also surrendered 35 to the Colts.

The #2-ranked Chargers gave up 35 to Oakland.
The #3-ranked Saints gave 30 to Cleveland AND Arizona.

I don't think the Chiefs defense is comparable to any of the three I cited...My point is simply...even the BEST defenses get dogwalked from time-to-time.

Anyone who disagrees w/ this is simply a moron. It's a fact that this happens to the best defenses just about every single year. You can go find the best defenses of all time, and yes, they may not have gotten beat to death in any single game but that's why they're the best ever. Defenses such as those mentioned don't come around very often, far less than every year. The Chiefs aren't even the best in the league in the current year, but to say they aren't a good defense with some of the performances they've had is just dumb.

BCD
11-16-2010, 01:18 PM
I remember Chief fans were bragging 3 weeks how footballsoutsiders.com has them ranked #1 in DVOA or some shit like that. ROFL

It's like during you Chief fans forgot who you were for a second. You don't have a long history of greatness where you are supposed to expect to win. You're the Chiefs. Not the Raiders, not the Cowboys, Packers, or 49ers, or Steelers. But the Chiefs.

Losing is what you guys do. Last place is where a irrelevant franchise like the Chiefs belongI hope your family is molested by a 400lb man.

loochy
11-16-2010, 01:18 PM
I remember Chief fans were bragging 3 weeks how footballsoutsiders.com has them ranked #1 in DVOA or some shit like that. ROFL

It's like during you Chief fans forgot who you were for a second. You don't have a long history of greatness where you are supposed to expect to win. You're the Chiefs. Not the Raiders, not the Cowboys, Packers, or 49ers, or Steelers. But the Chiefs.

Losing is what you guys do. Last place is where a irrelevant franchise like the Chiefs belong

LOL @ you including the Raiders.

BCD
11-16-2010, 01:28 PM
Actually there's a PERFECT reason for not hitting his target there.

Passes sail when QB's can't step into throws and follow through. Something tells me that the LB barreling in on him might've had something to do with that.To clarify, I should have mentioned that a GOOD QB doesnt miss that throw.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-16-2010, 03:25 PM
Good thing those two defenders closing in on Cassel don't count toward the Offensive Line ineptitude on Sunday.

He had more than enough room to step up and make that throw.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-16-2010, 03:26 PM
This coming from a Raiders fan?

Yeah, Mic. They actually win in the playoffs. Why don't you sit this one out, champ.

milkman
11-16-2010, 04:13 PM
He had more than enough room to step up and make that throw.

This is what separates Cassel from good.

A good QB satnds in, steps into his throw and takes that hit when delivering the ball.

Cassel simply stands flat footed and makes no attempt to follow through.

Three7s
11-16-2010, 04:22 PM
I remember Chief fans were bragging 3 weeks how footballsoutsiders.com has them ranked #1 in DVOA or some shit like that. ROFL

It's like during you Chief fans forgot who you were for a second. You don't have a long history of greatness where you are supposed to expect to win. You're the Chiefs. Not the Raiders, not the Cowboys, Packers, or 49ers, or Steelers. But the Chiefs.

Losing is what you guys do. Last place is where a irrelevant franchise like the Chiefs belong
The Raiders haven't been expected to win since 2003! ROFL

milkman
11-16-2010, 04:24 PM
The Raiders haven't been expected to win since 2003! ROFL

As much as I hate the Raiders, historically, they are one of the top 5-6 franchises in the league.

Chiefs Pantalones
11-16-2010, 04:26 PM
As much as I hate the Raiders, historically, they are one of the top 5-6 franchises in the league.

Historically, yes. History is the past. Now they are one of the worst franchises in all of professional sports. Thanks to the great Al Davis.

gochiefs_va
11-16-2010, 04:42 PM
@Gochiefs (nice name btw). Damn man you are really hard on Cassel. Seems every post you make is down on the guy, we get it man you dont like him (btw neither do I).

I agree that he is not living up to his expectations at all, and I wouldnt really mind seeing Brodie play a little if cassel continues to make the same mistakes.

We've had almost two seasons to see what cassel is all about. What I dislike about him the most is ignoring a wide open receiver, AND FFS SOMEONE SHOW HIM HOW TO PUMPFAKE!@

Having said all that, dont make every post about you hate cassel.

Chiefs Pantalones
11-16-2010, 04:44 PM
@Gochiefs (nice name btw). Damn man you are really hard on Cassel. Seems every post you make is down on the guy, we get it man you dont like him (btw neither do I).

I agree that he is not living up to his expectations at all, and I wouldnt really mind seeing Brodie play a little if cassel continues to make the same mistakes.

We've had almost two seasons to see what cassel is all about. What I dislike about him the most is ignoring a wide open receiver, AND FFS SOMEONE SHOW HIM HOW TO PUMPFAKE!@

Having said all that, dont make every post about you hate cassel.

Free blumpkin perhaps?

milkman
11-16-2010, 04:46 PM
Historically, yes. History is the past. Now they are one of the worst franchises in all of professional sports. Thanks to the great Al Davis.

His post was discussing the relevence of franchises, and the Raiders history does make them relevent on the national stage.

Chiefs Pantalones
11-16-2010, 04:49 PM
His post was discussing the relevence of franchises, and the Raiders history does make them relevent on the national stage.

Sucks for them that the past doesn't make them relevant on the field now. Fine by me though lol.

Hog Farmer
11-16-2010, 04:52 PM
@Gochiefs (nice name btw). Damn man you are really hard on Cassel. Seems every post you make is down on the guy, we get it man you dont like him (btw neither do I).

I agree that he is not living up to his expectations at all, and I wouldnt really mind seeing Brodie play a little if cassel continues to make the same mistakes.

We've had almost two seasons to see what cassel is all about. What I dislike about him the most is ignoring a wide open receiver, AND FFS SOMEONE SHOW HIM HOW TO PUMPFAKE!@

Having said all that, dont make every post about you hate cassel.


Cassel Rating 94.5 16 TD 4 INT

Manning Rating 93.9 16 TD 4 INT



Cassel still sucks !

BCD
11-16-2010, 04:53 PM
Cassel Rating 94.5 16 TD 4 INT

Manning Rating 93.9 16 TD 4 INT



Cassel still sucks !The NFLs Qb rating is SO overrated.

Chiefs Pantalones
11-16-2010, 04:54 PM
Cassel Rating 94.5 16 TD 4 INT

Manning Rating 93.9 16 TD 4 INT



Cassel still sucks !

Wow. The difference is Manning makes plays every game, not just take-out-the-garbage day.