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jjchieffan
11-24-2010, 09:41 PM
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The Kansas City Chiefs didnít have any players in the Pro Bowl last year and really, other than punter Dustin Colquitt, you could make an argument they didnít deserve any.
In 2010, however, the Chiefs are much improved and have a number of players worthy of a Pro Bowl birth. Unfortunately, the voting so far seems to indicate that NFL fans disagree.
The NFL released a list of top vote-getters yesterday and there are no Kansas City players in the mix.
This list shows that the average NFL fans kind of tend to vote for the same ďnameĒ players every year. There are a few new additions here but there are also a lot of emerging players across the league who are having better seasons than the current top vote-gertters.
Fortunately, the Pro Bowl players are selected by a combination of fan vote, coaches and players which helps balance things out a little bit.
After the jump, Iíll run down some KC players I think are deserving of a trip to Honolulu this year next year.

Dwayne Bowe

Bowe is not a lock for the Pro Bowl yet but if he plays out the rest of the season like he has the last seven games or so, he has to go to Hawaii.
Letís look at the numbers. These are league-wide.
Bowe ranks first among all receivers in TDís with 11.
Bowe ranks 23rd in receptions(45) but 10th in yardage(715).
Bowe ranks 29th in dropped passes with 4. 4 is the same amount as Santonio Holmes, who just started playing a couple of weeks ago.
Pro Football Focus ranks Bowe as the 6th best receiver in the league.

Jamaal Charles
The voters are ignoring Jamaal Charles because he isnít getting a ton of carries but if they would just look at his average yards-per-carry they would see he should be a lock for the Pro Bowl.
Letís look at the numbers:
Charles has the highest YPC (6.1) of any back in the league that has been in for at least 50% of his teamís snaps.
Charles is 17th in attempts (146) and 4th in yards. Think about that for a second. At his average, if Charles were to have as many attempts as Arian Foster who leads the NFL with 194, he would have 1183 yards from scrimmage right now.
Charles is 9th in the NFL in yards-after-contact. He is ahead of guys like Frank Gore, Peyton Hillis and Maurice Jones-Drew.
Once thought to be ďfumble-proneĒ Charles has fumbled only once this season.
Charles is also 5th in receiving yards for a back (356) while he is 9th in receptions (30). Of backs who have played at least 50% of their teamís snaps, Charles averages the most per reception with 11.9.
Charles may not have big touchdown numbers but he is without a doubt the most productive back in the NFL. If he does not make the Pro Bowl it will be a crime.

Brandon Flowers
Flowers is having an unbelievable season and he is not getting enough respect for it. Even after a couple of tough games, he is still one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL.
Donít believe me? Letís look at the numbers:
Flowers has been thrown at 75 times. That is 2nd in the league among CBís who have been in for at least 50% of their teamís snaps yet only 48% of the passes thrown at Flowers have been completed. That ranks 8th in the NFL.
Flowers is in a 3-way tie for 1st (along with Brandon Carr) for passes defended with 10.
When throwing at Flowers, QBís have a QB rating of 55.4 which is 3rd in the NFL.
The only thing that is holding Flowers back seems to be how much he is getting targeted. In fact, Brandon Carr has been targeted only 3 less times than Flowers and has given up the same amount of receptions (36). By comparison, Nnamdi Asomugha has only been thrown at 20 times, allowing 8 receptions.
The other thing that is so great about Flowers is that if you watch him you know he is more than a cover corner. Flowers is 1 of 4 CBís this season who has 0 missed tackles. None. Zlich. Zip.
The only difference is that of those 4 players, Flowers has been on the field 656 snaps, whereas the next closet guy with 0 missed tackles, Joselio Hanson, has only played 420 snaps.

Derrick Johnson
DJ is having a heck of a season and if he can pull in a few more interceptions he could find himself in paradise this January.
The numbers (for 3-4 ILBís):
DJ ranks first in the NFL in passes defended with 8. The next closest is Stewart Bradley with 5.
DJ is 3rd in the NFL in tackles with 67.
Pro Football Focus grades DJ as their 4th best 3-4 ILB.
DJís problems right now are his missed tackles and his inability to bring in the interceptions that are bouncing off his hands. He is 4th in the league in missed tackles with 8 and while he ranks high at pressuring the QB, he does not have any sacks.
I would say DJ is on the fringe. He is having a very good season but he needs to step it up to be a Pro Bowler.

Tamba Hali
Tamba is a beast this season. In my opinion, he is the best pure pass rusher in the NFL.
The numbers:
Pro Football Focus agrees with me on Hali. They rank him far and away the #1 3-4 OLB.
PFF gives Hali credit for 45 QB pressures. 45! The next closest is Lamarr Woodley with 32. Clay Matthews of the Green Bay Packers has 23.
PFF currently has Hali listed at 10 sacks. Keep in mind that PFF does their own grading and while they are not official, they are more accurate. In regards to sacks, Niel from PFF told me this today:
We donít award half sacks Ė we think theyíre an abomination to simply make things add up. Why should a guy only get 0.5 of a sack because coincidently another guy got there as well?

On Clay Matthews:
Regarding Matthewís sack in the Vikings game Ė while the scorers at Minnesota may have given him it, he wonít get it from us. Favre is flushed and scrambles out of the pocket chased by Matthews. He then slides because B.J. Raji is blocking his way effectively tackling himself. If anyone should get the sack itís Raji so in cases like this we will also differ.

On Hali vs. Matthews:
When it comes to rushing the passer I agree Hali is on a different planet at the momentĖ heís doing that as well as anyone weíve ever seen and obviously far better than Matthews. The only issue is that neither is playing the run that well (although not poorly). However Matthews is only marginally better in this regard so I would very much concur with your view.
Yep. Hali for President.
That is it Addicts. I donít feel any other Chiefs are in the conversation at this point. Lilja had a good start to the season but he has since tapered off and I wouldnít label him a Pro Bowler.

Reerun_KC
11-24-2010, 09:45 PM
Good. The pro bowl is a waste of freaking time anyway. Biggest joke in all of sports.

cdirty
11-24-2010, 10:00 PM
i thought it wasnt in Hawaii any more.

pr_capone
11-24-2010, 10:02 PM
woopty

fucking

doo

Captain Obvious
11-24-2010, 10:12 PM
I like Pro Bowe voting.

chiefs1111
11-24-2010, 10:12 PM
They really should just get rid of the damn game.

CaliforniaChief
11-24-2010, 10:14 PM
Nobody respects the Chiefs. If we ever consistently contend for championships that will change.

Bacon Cheeseburger
11-24-2010, 10:16 PM
They really should just get rid of the damn game.
This. No one gives a damn.

jjchieffan
11-24-2010, 10:18 PM
I am more posting this for the stats on our players than the pro bowl snub. It is apparent that Flowers is not as widely respected around the league as other top corners. It is unbelievable that he has been targeted 75 times. Only Jay Cutler would go after a top corner that often.

Bacon Cheeseburger
11-24-2010, 10:22 PM
I am more posting this for the stats on our players than the pro bowl snub. It is apparent that Flowers is not as widely respected around the league as other top corners. It is unbelievable that he has been targeted 75 times. Only Jay Cutler would go after a top corner that often.
Eh, it's a popularity contest, and no one knows who the fuck is on our team because we've been irrelevant since...well...ever.

Guru
11-24-2010, 10:26 PM
Who gives a flying fuck?

Reerun_KC
11-24-2010, 10:29 PM
I am more posting this for the stats on our players than the pro bowl snub. It is apparent that Flowers is not as widely respected around the league as other top corners. It is unbelievable that he has been targeted 75 times. Only Jay Cutler would go after a top corner that often.

Teams started to abuse flowers since Houston. Until he shows up again. Teams will continually throw his way with great success.

Psyko Tek
11-24-2010, 10:31 PM
Nobody respects the Chiefs. If we ever consistently contend for championships that will change.

this
we win we get votes


but does it really matter to the players?

kcfanXIII
11-25-2010, 12:32 AM
i used to get excited for the pro bowl. what can i say, one last, last game just gets me. problem is the game itself is unwatchable. i loved watching all the skills competitions and flag football games, but the pro bowl isn't even a game. its basically watching qbs playing catch with wrs. i think they should have kept the whole hawaii thing, and just send them out there as a reward, scrap the game, and just focus on all the other things going on. like i said, the skills competition and flag football games are great. those players are out there, screwing around, laughing and having a good time during those events.

Jewish Rabbi
11-25-2010, 01:12 AM
Well since it's the week before the Super Bowl now I'd assume all the Chiefs players will be preparing for that instead of playing in the Pro Bowl anyway.

Nightfyre
11-25-2010, 01:16 AM
If we don't get our players sent to the pro-bowl, they can't get hurt there.

Willie Lanier
11-25-2010, 01:22 AM
Tamba, Brandon, and Dwayne have earned bids; all the other close calls still have work to do

Pushead2
11-25-2010, 01:35 AM
Good. The pro bowl is a waste of freaking time anyway. Biggest joke in all of sports.

winner....

BigRock
11-25-2010, 01:35 AM
This thing is dumb on it's face. All the NFL released was a list of the top vote getters, with one guy listed at each position.

For all anyone knows, Bowe is the #2 vote getter at receiver. Or Hali is #2 at LB. I'm sure they're not, but they could be. Talking about "zero respect" because no Chief is the #1 vote getter at a position is just searching for something to whine about.

Psyko Tek
11-25-2010, 02:16 AM
if fams vote on it it shouldn't count anyway
let the players vote on it

think it should be the same for the hall of fame

kysirsoze
11-25-2010, 02:20 AM
I guess I just don't give a shit. The years when we had a bunch of pro-bowlers all ended in a loss. IMO, the only thing it's good for is for HoF resume so we can take a little pride in our players being enshrined. I don't remember the last Probowl I watched, and even then I'm sure I didn't watch the whole thing.

Guru
11-25-2010, 02:44 AM
It's impossible to watch a game that the players couldn't care less about.

mikey23545
11-25-2010, 02:50 AM
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Rausch
11-25-2010, 07:08 AM
Good. The pro bowl is a waste of freaking time anyway. Biggest joke in all of sports.

This.

That said, no fucking way Bowe deserves to be there...

Short Leash Hootie
11-25-2010, 07:10 AM
This.

That said, no ****ing way Bowe deserves to be there...

ROFL

Why?

He's playing like Jerry Rice right now...just so you know.

He blocks well, keeps his mouth shut, and PRODUCES...dude is on a tear only Randy Moss and Jerry Rice know anything about...

but yeah...he doesn't deserve a Pro Bowl...nope not one bit

Short Leash Hootie
11-25-2010, 07:14 AM
If Bowe ends up with 18-20 TDs and doesn't make the Pro Bowl...it would be ridiculous.

And I don't care about the game itself, but it is an HONOR to be a pro bowler.

Chiefnj2
11-25-2010, 07:24 AM
Poor form to rag on another player in a different conference.

Pasta Giant Meatball
11-25-2010, 07:25 AM
This.

That said, no fucking way Bowe deserves to be there...

His league leading total in TD receptions and the way he's playing lately says otherwise.

Fish
11-25-2010, 07:25 AM
Nobody respects us! It's not fair!

:deevee:

kysirsoze
11-25-2010, 07:49 AM
This.

That said, no ****ing way Bowe deserves to be there...

wUT?

DBOSHO
11-25-2010, 07:55 AM
This.

That said, no ****ing way Bowe deserves to be there...

The probowl is about awarding the best players at their position.

Bowe is currently the best at his position at catching touchdowns, so why doenst he deserve it.

Earthling
11-25-2010, 08:06 AM
This.

That said, no ****ing way Bowe deserves to be there...

How you figure?

redsurfer11
11-25-2010, 08:10 AM
We have the #1 rushing team in the NFL. I also think we're low on the list of Sacks Allowed. No props to the Offensive Line. This would be insulting.