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Rams Fan
11-26-2010, 12:09 PM
I know some of you probably don't give a shit about St. Louis, but for those of you that have been there, what do you think about it?

seclark
11-26-2010, 12:12 PM
i've lived there.
it's a nice place to visit, but i wouldn't want to live there.
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milkman
11-26-2010, 12:15 PM
I only saw the inside of a hospital when I was a young boy back in the early 60s.

It was a nice hospital, as hospitals go.

luv
11-26-2010, 12:16 PM
Boy, are you in for it. You know not what you ask.


Being from Springfield, I grew up a Cardinals baseball fan, although I haven't been to the new Busch Stadium. Is the Bowling Museum still near there? I went up in the Arch when I was 10. Union Station was nice. Last time I was up there, I went to the President's Casino. Other than these experiences, I haven't seen much else.

Saul Good
11-26-2010, 12:16 PM
I think St. Louis is #1.

Saul Good
11-26-2010, 12:17 PM
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world/st-louis-at-top-of-cqs-most-dangerous-cities-in-us_100463859.html

St Louis at Top of CQ’s “Most Dangerous Cities in US”
Monday, November 22, 2010 12:19:33 PM by Angela Kaye Mason ( Leave a comment )

Nov 22 (THAINDIAN NEWS) As CQ Press releases it’s City Crime Rankings for the seventeenth year in a row, four hundred United States cities are ranked according to six different categories. Murder, rape, burglary, robbery, aggravated assault and motor vehicle theft statistics are studies to see which cities have more of each of those crimes, and the combined scores show our most dangerous places.

For the second year in a row, the LEAST dangerous city was shown to be Colonie, New York. This city had only sixty one incidences of violent crime for the entire year of 2009. St Louis Missouri came in at the top to take first place as America’s most dangerous city for 2010, with motor vehicle theft and robbery being the top of the “criminal’s list of things to do in St Louis” and assault and murder coming in close behind.

Camden, NJ was number one last year, but came in at number two this year. This city had more rapes and robberies than any on the list. They place second in the assault listing, and fourth in murder.

Coming in third on CQ’s list was Detroit, Michigan. Although this city scored high in the car theft and assault rankings, they were very low in the number of rapes committed there. Scoring number 4 in the list, with the number one number of assaults was Flint, Michigan. And Oakland California came in fifth on the CQ list, with the number one ranking in motor vehicle theft. A full list can be seen from CQ here .

Rams Fan
11-26-2010, 12:18 PM
Boy, are you in for it. You know not what you ask.


Being from Springfield, I grew up a Cardinals baseball fan, although I haven't been to the new Busch Stadium. Is the Bowling Museum still near there? I went up in the Arch when I was 10. Union Station was nice. Last time I was up there, I went to the President's Casino. Other than these experiences, I haven't seen much else.

The Bowling Museum moved out a few years ago to Dallas. Union Station is basically crap now and the President's Casino closed down this year.

WebGem
11-26-2010, 12:20 PM
I've been to St. Louis and Collinsville numerous times for pro wrestling shows, didn't think much of the city. Saw a Cardinals game and that was fun.

Rams Fan
11-26-2010, 12:21 PM
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world/st-louis-at-top-of-cqs-most-dangerous-cities-in-us_100463859.html

St Louis at Top of CQ’s “Most Dangerous Cities in US”
Monday, November 22, 2010 12:19:33 PM by Angela Kaye Mason ( Leave a comment )

Nov 22 (THAINDIAN NEWS) As CQ Press releases it’s City Crime Rankings for the seventeenth year in a row, four hundred United States cities are ranked according to six different categories. Murder, rape, burglary, robbery, aggravated assault and motor vehicle theft statistics are studies to see which cities have more of each of those crimes, and the combined scores show our most dangerous places.

For the second year in a row, the LEAST dangerous city was shown to be Colonie, New York. This city had only sixty one incidences of violent crime for the entire year of 2009. St Louis Missouri came in at the top to take first place as America’s most dangerous city for 2010, with motor vehicle theft and robbery being the top of the “criminal’s list of things to do in St Louis” and assault and murder coming in close behind.

Camden, NJ was number one last year, but came in at number two this year. This city had more rapes and robberies than any on the list. They place second in the assault listing, and fourth in murder.

Coming in third on CQ’s list was Detroit, Michigan. Although this city scored high in the car theft and assault rankings, they were very low in the number of rapes committed there. Scoring number 4 in the list, with the number one number of assaults was Flint, Michigan. And Oakland California came in fifth on the CQ list, with the number one ranking in motor vehicle theft. A full list can be seen from CQ here .

That number is fixed. The city of St. Louis isn't in a county, nor are there any unincorporated counties near the city.

Mr. Arrowhead
11-26-2010, 12:21 PM
I go there every March for the MVC basketball tourney, and its ok, although their downtown has gone way downhill in the last couple years.

chiefsnorth
11-26-2010, 12:23 PM
Dirty

Rams Fan
11-26-2010, 12:24 PM
Oh and about people saying how bad St. Louis is as a sports city....

Why would you pay to go to a game to see a team that had the 2nd worst(or worst record in the modern day NFL) in history over a 3 year span? I've been to over a handful games during that stretch and do you know how annoying it is to have opposing fans invade the Dome and have the rumors of the Rams moving out of a stadium that is only 15 years to another city?

luv
11-26-2010, 12:28 PM
The Bowling Museum moved out a few years ago to Dallas. Union Station is basically crap now and the President's Casino closed down this year.

Wow. Way to ruin my memories.

:p


My brother lives up there somewhere now (near Hazelwood?). I really should go up there sometime. I'd love to go to a Blues game. I may look into that. What else is there now?

Rams Fan
11-26-2010, 12:30 PM
Wow. Way to ruin my memories.

:p


My brother lives up there somewhere now (near Hazelwood?). I really should go up there sometime. I'd love to go to a Blues game. I may look into that. What else is there now?


There's not a whole lot to do in the city, but places like the Loop, Forest Park etc. are places you should check out if you ever go to St. Louis.

Chiefs Pantalones
11-26-2010, 12:31 PM
ghetto

Pawnmower
11-26-2010, 12:33 PM
St Louis is becoming the Chess mecca.....(Other than NYC)...

http://www.fox2now.com/news/ktvi-jaco-chess-championships-051310,0,6687128.story

Rams Fan
11-26-2010, 12:33 PM
ghetto

:doh!:Every city has it's bad places, but there's only a few places I wouldn't feel safe at night(a bad part of the Central West End, for example). But the burbs are awesome, like Clayton.

Bearcat
11-26-2010, 12:37 PM
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/bearcat2002/ArchPeeing2.jpg

Fritz88
11-26-2010, 12:44 PM
No thanks.
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Bowser
11-26-2010, 12:47 PM
The Budweiser brewmaster tour is definitely worth the 25 bucks, and Tucker's is a great place to get a steak. That's about all of my knowledge on St. Louis.

DenverDanChiefsFan
11-26-2010, 12:52 PM
Have family friends that live in Chesterfield, which was nice back in the 80's (haven't been out there since then). Took the wife to the Arch in the early 90's. Other than that not much to do in St. Loser.

Bill Parcells
11-26-2010, 12:54 PM
I loved the loop. and that place Blueberry hill. I had a lot of fun there. its fucking hot as hell in the summer time though. muggy (the Mississippi river?) kinda like New Orleans muggy.

Rams Fan
11-26-2010, 01:00 PM
I loved the loop. and that place Blueberry hill. I had a lot of fun there. its ****ing hot as hell in the summer time though. muggy (the Mississippi river?) kinda like New Orleans muggy.

The summer is awful here. It's so humid. Blueberry Hill is okay, but it's crowded a lot and service there sucks.

Bill Parcells
11-26-2010, 01:07 PM
The summer is awful here. It's so humid. Blueberry Hill is okay, but it's crowded a lot and service there sucks.

What I liked was that you could eat upstairs and then pick a room downstairs to what flavor of music you like. they had bars downstairs too. what I liked was driving over there. everything is flat and when you drive on a highway you can see for miles. I got out of my car in either misery or Illinois or indy (dont remember) at 12am with a beer in my hand and took a leak on the side of the road. (I wasnt driving) but theres no way in hell I would be able to do that here. I could not see any lights from horizon to horizon. I think thaT was rte 70.

Pasta Giant Meatball
11-26-2010, 01:19 PM
I think the Chiefs fans will take over the Dome in December. That's what I think :D

Rams Fan
11-26-2010, 01:20 PM
I think the Chiefs fans will take over the Dome in December. That's what I think :D

I think the Dome will be invaded with Rams fans who are wanting to see the div leading Rams.

Bowser
11-26-2010, 01:22 PM
I think the Dome will be invaded with Rams fans who are wanting to see the div leading Rams.

When you say invaded, are you talking over 30,000 fans?

HonestChieffan
11-26-2010, 01:23 PM
Cesspool. Septic Tank. St.Louis.

Explain the difference.

Rams Fan
11-26-2010, 01:27 PM
When you say invaded, are you talking over 30,000 fans?

The Dome has had over 50,000 fans a game this season. That's saying alot considering no one was there the past 3 seasons.

chiefzilla1501
11-26-2010, 01:37 PM
Wow, can't believe the hate for St. Louis. St. Louis is an awesome city if you have any idea what the fuck you're doing. Soulard is a great yuppie area with a ton of bars in one spot. The Landing, Wash Ave, and Central West End are great spots if you want something trendy. And the Loop and Clayton are awesome spots to walk around in. You have a top-notch park with Forest Park, awesome casinos in St. Charles, and oh yeah... boobies in East St. Louis. And I used to love going to concerts at the Pageant. It's got a little bit of everything.

St. Louis is not that dangerous as long as you pick the right spots, and there are plenty of them.

NewChief
11-26-2010, 02:45 PM
I'm impartial as I have inlaws and friends in both Kc and st Louis. I enjoy both, but the hate for the Lou on here mainly seems to stem from a combination of ignorance and jealousy.

BigRedChief
11-26-2010, 03:03 PM
I've been going to St. Louis for over 40+ years to see Cardinal games. I lived there for about 4 months in 2008. Agree that there is too much hatred for St. Louis. It doesn't warrant the hatred. The loop and blueberry hill are cool but I didn't know about it until I was a local.

KChiefs1
11-26-2010, 03:27 PM
That VP Fair thing on the 4th of July is pretty cool...otherwise the place is a urinal.

Rams Fan
11-26-2010, 03:31 PM
That VP Fair thing on the 4th of July is pretty cool...otherwise the place is a urinal.

Explain?

gblowfish
11-26-2010, 03:33 PM
If you're into leggy, stacked blue eyed blonde chicks, it's the place to be. I had one wreck my world back in the 1980s.

KChiefs1
11-26-2010, 03:41 PM
Explain?

That thing they do under the arch...it's pretty cool.

Bwana
11-26-2010, 03:48 PM
Heh, all I can say, is stay the hell away from the east side.

Rams Fan
11-26-2010, 03:50 PM
Heh, all I can say, is stay the hell away from the east side.

East St. Louis? That's not even in Missouri....

Donger
11-26-2010, 03:51 PM
It seems a lot like Kansas City, but a little bit east. Very similar cities.

crazycoffey
11-26-2010, 03:56 PM
Live in Soulard, Mardi Gras is bad ass.
Lived in Webster Groves, Art fair 63119 is very interesting and fun. Got my guitar and first lessons at Dave's Guitar loft.
Lived in Kirkwood when I first moved to St. Louis from Dallas. No thanks.

Bwana
11-26-2010, 03:57 PM
East St. Louis? That's not even in Missouri....

Sure, but my point stands.

crazycoffey
11-26-2010, 03:57 PM
I think the Chiefs fans will take over the Dome in December. That's what I think :D

I'm planning on being there, wearing red....

Rams Fan
11-26-2010, 03:57 PM
It seems a lot like Kansas City, but a little bit east. Very similar cities.

Kansas City's a bit bigger than St. Louis if you're going by the cities' populations. But St. Louis has a larger metro area. I agree with you, though.

Donger
11-26-2010, 03:58 PM
Kansas City's a bit bigger than St. Louis if you're going by the cities' populations. But St. Louis has a larger metro area. I agree with you, though.

I wasn't referring to either size or population. Just a general feel.

crazycoffey
11-26-2010, 03:59 PM
Heh, all I can say, is stay the hell away from the east side.

East St. Louis? That's not even in Missouri....

how about north St. Louis proper? hell north county....

Bwana
11-26-2010, 03:59 PM
I wasn't referring to either size or population. Just a general feel.

What are you, a TSA agent? :D

Rams Fan
11-26-2010, 04:04 PM
What are you, a TSA agent? :D

ROFL Nice.

Donger
11-26-2010, 04:05 PM
What are you, a TSA agent? :D

No, that would be a very specific feel.

Ralphy Boy
11-26-2010, 04:10 PM
St Louis is great. If you have kids, take them to the City Museum. Unlike KC, there is a lot of free things to do there, the zoo & science center. Obviously during baseball season is a great time, but its a good city and very similar to KC in a lot of ways. If you stay downtown, you can take a jog thru the park near the arch, which is great.

The much acclaimed "Hill" is unimpressive IMO, but good food. Back in the Greatest Show on Turf era, we went to a Blues game on a Saturday night, followed by a Rams game the next day and it was a blast. It's always fun going to a Cards game but nothing compares to KC. Some places you just feel a connection to and KC is a great city for me. Always have a blast there and prefer it over STL.

siberian khatru
11-26-2010, 04:21 PM
My experience is that St. Louis is much more of an Eastern city and Kansas City is Midwestern. A lot of the country thinks of St. Louis as Midwestern, but most of the people I've met from there remind me a lot of the people I knew in Rochester, N.Y. That's not the case with most Kansas Citians.

Rams Fan
11-26-2010, 04:32 PM
My experience is that St. Louis is much more of an Eastern city and Kansas City is Midwestern. A lot of the country thinks of St. Louis as Midwestern, but most of the people I've met from there remind me a lot of the people I knew in Rochester, N.Y. That's not the case with most Kansas Citians.

I don't think St. Louis is Eastern at all. It's just a city that wants to be a mini Chicago.

Tylerthigpen!1!
11-26-2010, 05:00 PM
I went to white castle two years ago over spring break. All I remember was some ghetto black guy tried to give me a briefcase.

bevischief
11-26-2010, 05:16 PM
The city or the team?

Or both?

HonestChieffan
11-26-2010, 05:19 PM
I wasn't referring to either size or population. Just a general feel.

Everyday KC City actually becomes more third world feel. The politics in ST L is way ahead of KC for being corrupt but KC can kick STL ass for stupid points.

Rams Fan
11-26-2010, 05:20 PM
The city or the team?

Or both?

The city.

Halfcan
11-26-2010, 05:49 PM
I like St. louis-its a great place to watch the Chiefs beat up on the Lambs.

RJ
11-26-2010, 06:01 PM
I like St. Louis. I like the zoo and The Hill. I like cities in general. It's foolish to ask about cities on this board. They all get trashed no matter how great they are.

So I guess that's the difference. I like cities. I also like small towns. And the desert and the beach and the mountains and Canada and Mexico.

I look for the best in people and places.

Sfeihc
11-26-2010, 06:29 PM
MOBO gardens is very nice. Been going to the Lou all my life and have always had a great time. Saw Phish at the Fox Theatre on my last trip. Thinking about going to the Chiefs/Lambs game. Lamb Dome IS Arrowhead East. Second on Tucker's for a great steak.

chasedude
11-26-2010, 07:41 PM
I've been there. Friends and I were out for a Metallica show at some speedway. The day before we went trough the Anheuser-Busch tour. The only complaint I had was the tasting at the end. They gave us a dixie cup and said we could fill it up 3 times. WTF? Bunch of cheap bastards. All these years of my financial support and this is all I got.

WilliamTheIrish
11-26-2010, 07:49 PM
I love St. Louis. It's always a great yet not too expensive place to enjoy a weekend away. Been to close to 40 baseball games but none in the new park. All in the old Busch Stadium.

Got my first autographs there back in 72 or 73. Denny Doyle and Lefty Carlton when they played the Phillies. Dick Allen wasn't signing (or he had been traded).

Ebolapox
11-26-2010, 07:50 PM
I like it enough to have considered going to grad school at either wash U or Slu... they're no longer in my top five, but if any of those falter, they're right there.

Deberg_1990
11-26-2010, 07:51 PM
Been to close to 40 baseball games but none in the new park. All in the old Busch Stadium.



The new Busch is really nice. I was highly impressed. Went to a game there this past summer. It doesnt feel really big and has a nice open feel to it.

Rams Fan
11-26-2010, 07:52 PM
The new Busch is really nice. I was highly impressed. Went to a game there this past summer. It doesnt feel really big and has a nice open feel to it.

It's smaller than the old Busch Stadium. Ballpark Village needs to be finished soon, though...

Lonewolf Ed
11-26-2010, 07:55 PM
Aside from it being where the HQ of a national embarassment is located, I have no feelings one way or another about St. Louis. Buck Fudweiser!

GloryDayz
11-26-2010, 08:40 PM
F*** St. Louis, F*** the city, F*** the people, F*** the coach, F*** the firemen who put out the fire that "just happens" to start in the sh1t bowl they call a stadium, F*** their mayor, F*** their owner, F*** everything in, around, and about the city - let it burn!

Reaper16
11-26-2010, 09:23 PM
I hate St. Louisians.

chiefzilla1501
11-26-2010, 09:27 PM
I've been there. Friends and I were out for a Metallica show at some speedway. The day before we went trough the Anheuser-Busch tour. The only complaint I had was the tasting at the end. They gave us a dixie cup and said we could fill it up 3 times. WTF? Bunch of cheap bastards. All these years of my financial support and this is all I got.

Yeah, dude. You missed out. 10 years ago, tours included "all you can drink in 10 minutes." Turns out people were getting shitfaced and driving home. Hence, the dixie cup policy.

chiefzilla1501
11-26-2010, 09:29 PM
Heh, all I can say, is stay the hell away from the east side.

There are good reasons to go to the east side. Two BIG reasons.

Bane
11-26-2010, 09:32 PM
I only go to STL to hit Soulard for a bite to eat and a few drinks then I'm done.Nothing personal,just not my cup of tea.

Phobia
11-26-2010, 09:39 PM
I grew up with relatives in both KC and St. Louis. I don't have anything awful to say about St. Louis - as far as culture goes, there are things to do. I enjoy visiting.