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WebGem
11-27-2010, 08:53 PM
I didn't want to bury this question in one of the other threads.

Since they've already been fined, they've obviously already been found at least somewhat guilty. The fine ($100k) seems like a slap on the wrist to everyone I've heard voice an opinion on this. I understand there is more than likely more to come, but I'm worried the league isn't going to go as far as they should because Denver isn't really doing much. The comedy in all of this is the fact that Denver is 3-7, but that's what leads to my question.

If Denver was 9-1 right now, or hell even in playoff contention, is the punishment (in the end) more severe? If so, what would you expect from the league?

Chief3188
11-27-2010, 08:55 PM
I think anyone who ever wore a Broncos uniform outside of Neil Smith, Eddie Kennison and Casey Wiegmann should be drawn and quartered and their franchise should be dispersed back into the hellfire from which it came. Then there should be a bonfire of epic proportions in the middle of Transvesco stadium where ordered by Colorado state law everyone possessing anything of Broncos fandom should be required under fear of death to toss their memoirabilia into the flames and get this thing right like they did in the Crusades.

LaChapelle
11-27-2010, 08:59 PM
Since the crime was committed on foreign soil
they should have to move the franchise to London

Count Alex's Losses
11-27-2010, 08:59 PM
I think anyone who ever wore a Broncos uniform outside of Neil Smith, Eddie Kennison and Casey Wiegmann should be drawn and quartered and their franchise should be dispersed back into the hellfire from which it came. Then there should be a bonfire of epic proportions in the middle of Transvesco stadium where ordered by Colorado state law everyone possessing anything of Broncos fandom should be required under fear of death to toss their memoirabilia into the flames and get this thing right like they did in the Crusades.

Rep this lurker, for he is wise.

Rain Man
11-27-2010, 09:08 PM
Maybe the NFL will force them to keep Josh McDaniels for another year.

WebGem
11-27-2010, 09:09 PM
Maybe the NFL will force them to keep Josh McDaniels for another year.

That's the part that pisses me off the most is that he might get fired over this. If they fire their coach and lose 100k they are fucking benefiting from cheating for Gods sake. Something more, A LOT more needs to be done to these cock smokers.

DaFace
11-27-2010, 09:14 PM
I can't vouch for the authenticity of this, but it seems written like it's legit. I found it on the OM:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
11/27/10
BRONCOS DISCLOSE VIOLATION OF INTEGRITY-OF-GAME POLICY
BRONCOS FINED $50,000 FOR VIOLATION
HEAD COACH JOSH MCDANIELS FINED $50,000 FOR FAILING TO REPORT PROHIBITED VIDEOTAPING OF OPPOSING TEAM PRACTICE

The Denver Broncos discovered and disclosed to the NFL a violation by a club employee of the league’s integrity-of-the-game policy involving the improper videotaping of a six-minute portion of the San Francisco 49ers’ October 30 practice at Wembley Stadium in London the day prior to the Broncos-49ers game there, the Broncos and NFL announced today.

Team video director Steve Scarnecchia took the video and presented it that day to head coach Josh McDaniels, who declined to view it, the investigation by the Broncos and NFL has determined. However, as a result of failing to report the incident as required by league policy, McDaniels has been fined $50,000 by Commissioner Roger Goodell.

The Broncos also have been fined $50,000 by Commissioner Goodell because clubs are ultimately accountable for the actions of their employees. The Broncos have terminated Scarnecchia’s employment for cause. In addition, Commissioner Goodell has notified Scarnecchia that, as a repeat violator of league rules relating to the integrity of the game, he will be the subject of a hearing to determine whether he should be barred from the NFL for conduct detrimental to the league under the commissioner’s disciplinary authority in the NFL Constitution and Bylaws.

The investigation found that Broncos executives were made aware of the apparent improper videotaping on November 8 following the team’s return from London. After conducting an internal review, team executives contacted the NFL office on November 12 and requested a meeting to report the apparent violation. On the morning of November 16, Broncos executives, including owner Pat Bowlen, met with NFL staff in New York to disclose Mr. Scarnecchia’s actions.

Based on the report, NFL Security promptly began an investigation, which included interviews of Broncos personnel in Denver on November 18 and 19. In addition, they arranged for a forensic analysis of the laptop computers used by the video department, which confirmed that the Saturday practice had been recorded. NFL Security has retained the tape. Following are excerpts from Commissioner Goodell’s letter to Broncos owner Pat Bowlen:

• “The investigation was conducted with the full cooperation and support of the Denver Broncos. Your entire organization has fully responded to our requests for information and access to individuals, and provided exemplary assistance to our investigators.

• “The investigation disclosed that on October 30, the day before the Broncos played the 49ers in London, Steve Scarnecchia, Denver’s video director, was present in Wembley Stadium. He was properly at the stadium, along with players, coaches and other club staff, to prepare for the October 31 game. During this time, the Broncos conducted their final walk-thru. After the Denver players and most of the other team staff left Wembley, Mr. Scarnecchia remained behind to continue setting up his equipment for the next day. At one point he noticed that the 49ers were conducting their walk-thru practice, and he surreptitiously recorded a portion (approximately six minutes in length) of that practice.

• “When he was interviewed by NFL Security, Mr. Scarnecchia admitted that he had recorded the practice. He maintained that he had not previously recorded a walk-thru or other practice or engaged in any other improper videotaping (such as recording coaching signals of an opposing team) since joining the Broncos; that he knew that what he did in London was wrong; that taping the walk-thru was his decision alone; and that nobody had instructed him to record the practice.

• “Mr. Scarnecchia also stated that while he offered to show the tape to head Coach McDaniels, the coach had no interest in the material and did not in fact watch the tape. He said that Coach McDaniels responded to his offer by saying, “No, I’m not doing that,” at which point Mr. Scarnecchia left. He also said that he did not show the tape to any other member of the coaching staff, and our interviews do not disclose that any member of the coaching or football staff viewed the recording.

• “Our investigators immediately and independently interviewed Coach McDaniels and did so under circumstances that would have made it impossible for him to have spoken to Mr. Scarnecchia in advance. (It is also significant that your staff had not previously discussed the matter with Coach McDaniels; thus, his meeting with NFL Security was the first time that he had been questioned on the matter.) Coach McDaniels recounted essentially the same sequence of events as Mr. Scarnnechia had previously disclosed – namely, that Mr. Scarnecchia had come to him and advised that he had recorded the walk-thru, and that Coach McDaniels told Mr. Scarnecchia that he was not interested in watching the tape and did not do so.

• “Based on our investigation, we have found no evidence to suggest that Coach McDaniels or any other member of the coaching staff watched the tape. Nor have we identified any evidence to suggest that any member of the coaching staff or club management directed Mr. Scarnecchia to record the practice. We are aware of no evidence that would indicate the recording of any other opposing team practices or walk-thrus, or the like. And there is no reason to believe that the improper videotaping in London had any competitive effect on the October 31 game between the Broncos and 49ers.

• “There is no question, as you and your executives recognized, that Mr. Scarnecchia’s actions are prohibited by league rules. Even Mr. Scarnecchia acknowledged this. You initially placed Mr. Scarnecchia on administrative leave and have advised me that he now has been discharged for cause.

• “Although I find no fault with the way the club handled this matter once you and your executives became aware of it, I nonetheless believe that some penalty must be imposed. We have no more important responsibility than preserving the integrity and competitive fairness of the game and avoiding any implication that games are decided by anything other than what takes place on the field. In the only prior case of improper videotaping, the penalties included fines on the club and the head coach, as well as loss of a first round draft pick. For many reasons, there is no basis here to consider discipline at anywhere close to those levels: this appears to be a single incident by an employee who acted entirely on his own; there was no competitive effect; and, most importantly, the Broncos promptly took the initiative to report the violation. Had any of those factors not been present, I would have almost certainly imposed much more substantial discipline on the club. But because clubs are ultimately accountable for the conduct of their employees, I have determined that a sanction on the club is appropriate, and have therefore imposed a fine on the Broncos of $50,000.

• “With respect to Coach McDaniels, I have reached the conclusion that disciplinary action is appropriate for him as well. While he apparently declined to look at the tape, I also believe that he should have immediately advised you or one of your senior executives when he learned what Mr. Scarnecchia had done. The coach’s failure to do so is inconsistent with the Policy on Integrity of the Game, which imposes an obligation on executives, head coaches and others with knowledge of violations to report them promptly. Because Coach McDaniels failed to do so, I have decided to impose a fine on him of $50,000. I have also, as you know, personally discussed this matter with Coach McDaniels, and have emphasized his critical role in fostering and maintaining a culture of integrity within the football organization. I believe that he now understands his responsibilities in this respect, and am hopeful that he will live up to those responsibilities in the future.

• “As part of an effort to confirm that that the violations do not extend beyond Mr. Scarnecchia’s actions in London, a significant number of club employees have signed a certification confirming that they are aware of no further violations of the Policy. The signatories include you, Joe Ellis, Rich Slivka, Coach McDaniels and his staff, and the remaining members of the club’s video staff. Although we believe that our investigation has thoroughly addressed the matter, I should also add that if further information comes to our attention, we will reopen the investigation and, if the facts warrant, will impose additional discipline as appropriate.


If you assume that all of that is true, I'm OK with the punishment. If some idiot just went out on his own and taped it, the team really can't be held TOO liable given that there were really no consequences of the action. I do think it's awfully fishy that McDaniels didn't report it, but if there's no evidence that he did anything wrong other than being slow, the fines are probably appropriate.

BigMeatballDave
11-27-2010, 09:14 PM
$100,000? That's it?

JFC

yeti
11-27-2010, 09:14 PM
First born child

Chiefs Rool
11-27-2010, 09:18 PM
I say take away a first round pick

GloryDayz
11-27-2010, 09:18 PM
I think anyone who ever wore a Broncos uniform outside of Neil Smith, Eddie Kennison and Casey Wiegmann should be drawn and quartered and their franchise should be dispersed back into the hellfire from which it came. Then there should be a bonfire of epic proportions in the middle of Transvesco stadium where ordered by Colorado state law everyone possessing anything of Broncos fandom should be required under fear of death to toss their memoirabilia into the flames and get this thing right like they did in the Crusades.

This... F*** Denver. Burn the city to the ground, then burn the ashes..

Rain Man
11-27-2010, 09:19 PM
Per Post 7, I have a hard time believing that a 14 year-old coach with a losing record would resist watching some surreptitious film of the upcoming opponent.

WebGem
11-27-2010, 09:22 PM
I do think it's awfully fishy that McDaniels didn't report it, but if there's no evidence that he did anything wrong other than being slow, the fines are probably appropriate.

Being slow? ROFL If he didn't report it right away, he was never going to. This is not something you just don't have time to do and forget about. He's a fucking moron and if this is really the case then he deserves the maximum punishment as if he used the video tape because of the fact he didn't report it. Not reporting it is pretty bad, and 100k is DEFINITELY not appropriate when there's so much doubt. Defensive players get fined half of this for helmet-to-helmet hits, I mean JFC.

DaFace
11-27-2010, 09:23 PM
Per Post 7, I have a hard time believing that a 14 year-old coach with a losing record would resist watching some surreptitious film of the upcoming opponent.

I would tend to agree, but if there's no evidence to suggest that he did other than "you'd think he would," and a bunch of staff members have sworn, written statements that he didn't, I think you have to take his word for it rather than punish him heavily over a hunch.

LaChapelle
11-27-2010, 09:23 PM
Peterson talks to a retired DV and gets slapped for a 2nd round draft pick
McBlockbuster tapes a practice and gets a $50,000 fine
more than fair

DaFace
11-27-2010, 09:23 PM
Being slow? ROFL If he didn't report it right away, he was never going to. This is not something you just don't have time to do and forget about. He's a fucking moron and if this is really the case then he deserves the maximum punishment as if he used the video tape because of the fact he didn't report it. Not reporting it is pretty bad, and 100k is DEFINITELY not appropriate when there's so much doubt. Defensive players get fined half of this for helmet-to-helmet hits, I mean JFC.

Innocent until proven guilty and all that...

Saul Good
11-27-2010, 09:23 PM
I say take away a first round pick

That wouldn't really hurt them much given what they do with first round picks.

Chiefs Rool
11-27-2010, 09:24 PM
Peterson talks to a retired DV and gets slapped with a 2nd round draft pick
McBlockbuster tapes a practice and gets a $50,000 fine
more than fair

I forgot about that

LaChapelle
11-27-2010, 09:26 PM
I think most people would have destroyed the tape
seriously

chasedude
11-27-2010, 09:28 PM
Per Post 7, I have a hard time believing that a 14 year-old coach with a losing record would resist watching some surreptitious film of the upcoming opponent.

Exactly, we are not getting the full story here. It's too easy for them (Broncos) to use the vid director as a scapegoat. Chances are they even paid him a nice "severance" to take the complete fall and take his dismissal in stride.

Theres' always three sides to every story... yours, mine, and the truth.

Bane
11-27-2010, 09:28 PM
This... F*** Denver. Burn the city to the ground, then burn the ashes..

Burn it and piss on the ashes.

Rain Man
11-27-2010, 09:33 PM
Peterson talks to a retired DV and gets slapped for a 2nd round draft pick
McBlockbuster tapes a practice and gets a $50,000 fine
more than fair


What happened? I don't remember this.

KCrockaholic
11-27-2010, 09:59 PM
Since the crime was committed on foreign soil
they should have to move the franchise to London

Great idea.

GloryDayz
11-27-2010, 10:59 PM
Since the crime was committed on foreign soil
they should have to move the franchise to London

This... Rep!!

Garcia Bronco
11-27-2010, 11:02 PM
Lol at you guys.

ClevelandBronco
11-27-2010, 11:06 PM
Darn. Guess you're all disappointed.

Eat shit. :p

DenverDanChiefsFan
11-27-2010, 11:19 PM
This... F*** Denver. Burn the city to the ground, then burn the ashes..:rolleyes: Christ, every fucking thread. Hate the football team, most of us do. Big difference between that and the city.

Of course, Lee Summit is the Mecca of the world. :doh!:

yeti
11-28-2010, 12:52 AM
From Jason Cole Yahoo Sports

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-broncosvideotaping112710

Meanwhile, the Denver Broncos, a team with repeat violations of the NFLís salary cap, and coach Josh McDaniels, who was a member of the last team to commit a major off-field violation of competitive rules, get docked $50,000 each after the team fails to report a violation for more than a week.

Not everyone is in denial donkey fans.

JOhn
11-28-2010, 01:01 AM
What punishment? :shrug:


More kissing of donkey ass is all it is.

Pioli Zombie
11-28-2010, 01:05 AM
The penalty should be severe, harsh,and damaging to the Broncos.
Give them Cassel.

Chief3188
11-28-2010, 01:52 AM
The penalty should be severe, harsh,and damaging to the Broncos.
Give them Cassel.

No no, that is too much light of a penalty. For a crime of this magnitude the only way to fully compensate for this travesty is to unleash the Herminator for a sentence no shorter than 3 years as HC in full control of all operations.

nstygma
11-28-2010, 01:57 AM
I can't vouch for the authenticity of this, but it seems written like it's legit. I found it on the OM:


...and avoiding any implication that games are decided by anything other than what takes place on the field.

slippery, conniving rascals
http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/1111/4000747085580.jpg

JOhn
11-28-2010, 02:32 AM
slippery, conniving rascals
http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/1111/4000747085580.jpg

:LOL::LOL:

:banghead:

ClevelandBronco
11-28-2010, 02:40 AM
From Jason Cole Yahoo Sports

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-broncosvideotaping112710



Not everyone is in denial donkey fans.

Oh, my. Yahoo Sports.

Earthling
11-28-2010, 07:10 AM
If Denver was 9-1 right now, or hell even in playoff contention, is the punishment (in the end) more severe? If so, what would you expect from the league?

I have no reason to believe the puishment would be any different because of a different win/loss record. But the loss of a pick would be nice. :evil:

Chief Roundup
11-28-2010, 07:39 AM
What happened? I don't remember this.

Dick Vermeil had retired from the Rams as thier HC. But there was still years left on his contract.
Carl Peterson had a conversation with DV about becoming the Head Coach of the Kansas City Chiefs after the season was over.
After we hired DV the Rams filed a complaint with the league offices.
We were fined because DV was still under contract even though he had already been retired, I think for one year, when Peterson had talked to DV about taking the job here. IIRC

BigMeatballDave
11-28-2010, 08:46 AM
If I'm the Patriots, I'm calling Goodell and asking him WTF?

GloryDayz
11-28-2010, 09:13 AM
:rolleyes: Christ, every ****ing thread. Hate the football team, most of us do. Big difference between that and the city.

Of course, Lee Summit is the Mecca of the world. :doh!:

No, I hate the city too - they enable the team... I trust you've been to the Office Park looking Martini Bowl thing they call a stadium? You know the one full of arrogant no-football-knowing saps... Yeah, it and they suck the root! Burn it... I'd say "Nuke um", but that'd put some nasty cr@p into the underground streams, and that could affect some innocent people, so let's not do that. Let's just keep the fire local to stadium and the surrounding 30 miles.

And at least I refer to my city by its true name instead of the local team that I hate... Really!!!??? ROFL

BigMeatballDave
11-28-2010, 09:30 AM
Of course, Lee Summit is the Mecca of the world. :doh!:Huh?

TEX
11-28-2010, 09:49 AM
They have been caught cheating before. It had to do with cap manipulation during thier Super Bowl years (Al Davis was right).They were fined. I believe they even lost a low round draft pick. Then they did it again. They figured they could live with the "punuishment". So, I don't think the record has anything to do with it. It's more if you're in the "in" crowd and they are.

Chiefaholic
11-28-2010, 10:04 AM
$50K to a BILLIONAIR owner is a drop in the bucket. Guys on the ****ing practice squad make more than the league fined this worthless piece of a **** team in Dungver. The Commish needs to grow a pair and make the fine something that OTHER franchises don't want to happen to them. $100K for actually getting caught is nothing and a risk many would take even if they thought they'de get caught every now and then. I winning franchise puts people's asses in the seats, which could be recouped pretty quick.

Take away their #1 pick for a first offense. If they get caught again, take away multiple picks and give them a fine in the MILLIONS that actually pisses off an owner.

LaChapelle
11-28-2010, 11:53 AM
Dick Vermeil had retired from the Rams as thier HC. But there was still years left on his contract.
Carl Peterson had a conversation with DV about becoming the Head Coach of the Kansas City Chiefs after the season was over.
After we hired DV the Rams filed a complaint with the league offices.
We were fined because DV was still under contract even though he had already been retired, I think for one year, when Peterson had talked to DV about taking the job here. IIRC

The media wanted to come after Peterson again for Herm
but the Jets probably said STFU
don't blow this for us -a 4th is robbery on our part

Bane
11-28-2010, 11:55 AM
McBowlen must have something on Goodell.:shake:

Rain Man
11-28-2010, 12:31 PM
No, I hate the city too - they enable the team... I trust you've been to the Office Park looking Martini Bowl thing they call a stadium? You know the one full of arrogant no-football-knowing saps... Yeah, it and they suck the root! Burn it... I'd say "Nuke um", but that'd put some nasty cr@p into the underground streams, and that could affect some innocent people, so let's not do that. Let's just keep the fire local to stadium and the surrounding 30 miles.

And at least I refer to my city by its true name instead of the local team that I hate... Really!!!??? ROFL

The 30-mile thing would still burn my house down, and I'm a loyal Chiefs fan. :( How about we instead hope for their team to get fined a bunch of draft picks and keep the teenager as their coach?

Psyko Tek
11-28-2010, 12:32 PM
I say take away a first round pick

the way they draft that is not a penalty

the Talking Can
11-28-2010, 12:47 PM
Peterson talks to a retired DV and gets slapped for a 2nd round draft pick
McBlockbuster tapes a practice and gets a $50,000 fine
more than fair

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King_Chief_Fan
11-28-2010, 02:34 PM
who really cares........we have numerous confirmations over the years about the Donks and their cheating. Bowlen is probably at a boiling point. Good enough for me.

Ugly Duck
11-28-2010, 07:31 PM
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/1128/nfl_u_broncos-baghead01_576.jpg