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luv
11-29-2010, 11:05 AM
Working on sprucing up my resume. Any tips? I love to write and be creative, but I'm not really one who is great a selling myself to employers.

MOhillbilly
11-29-2010, 11:06 AM
photo copy your boobs and attach as a cover sheet.

Bill Parcells
11-29-2010, 11:08 AM
FYI..when you send your resume over the net it shouldn't be formatted with any bold or large fonts unless it is sent as an email attachment. the automated resume readers will not read them unless they are in plain text.

Bill Parcells
11-29-2010, 11:09 AM
And make sure you put on there that you're Bugeater's right hand woman on CP ;)

Bugeater
11-29-2010, 11:11 AM
Shit, I was hoping you could help me with mine.

Slainte
11-29-2010, 11:14 AM
I would keep this in mind: the average resume gets -at best- 20 seconds worth of attention from an HR/hiring faculty.

Make it count.

MOhillbilly
11-29-2010, 11:16 AM
we had a lady write down that at one point she was crazy but all better now. epic.

Bugeater
11-29-2010, 11:16 AM
And make sure you put on there that you're Bugeater's right hand woman on CP ;)
And be sure to note your amount of posts, rep points, casino cash and your current rep power.

luv
11-29-2010, 11:17 AM
The order of my resume:

Page 1
Name and personal info
Objective
Skills
Education
Work History

Page 2
Work Experience
About Me
References available upon request

Bill Parcells
11-29-2010, 11:17 AM
And be sure to note your amount of posts, rep points, casino cash and your current rep power.

Yes, excellent point! they are very important, and an integral part of doing things the right way ;)

Donger
11-29-2010, 11:18 AM
Less is more.

Rausch
11-29-2010, 11:19 AM
Be conservative, sexy, but not sleazy.

Yes, this ALWAYS will win pts...

Bugeater
11-29-2010, 11:19 AM
Less is more.
Hi,

Plz hire me.

Thx, Luv

T-post Tom
11-29-2010, 11:19 AM
Never accept resume tips from a football forum. None of us have jobs; and for good reason.

Bill Parcells
11-29-2010, 11:20 AM
Hi,

Plz hire me.

Thx, Luv

Is she bending over in a pic holding a piece of paper saying this? or is it a plain text kind of thing?

luv
11-29-2010, 11:21 AM
Less is more.

Yes, I agree. I am very "to the point" on it. IMO, wordiness shows a lack of knowledge. I am trying to find the best, most all-inclusive words I can.

Is a two page resume about average?

Donger
11-29-2010, 11:21 AM
Hi,

Plz hire me.

Thx, Luv

LMAO

Yeah, but not quite so less. Have a good objective, short and precise. Don't go crazy on your work experience. Just a few bullet points. If you've had a bunch of jobs, try to 'forget' a few.

Bugeater
11-29-2010, 11:21 AM
Is she bending over in a pic holding a piece of paper saying this? or is it a plain text kind of thing?
I was thinking more like her presenting it at gunpoint.

loochy
11-29-2010, 11:21 AM
I would keep this in mind: the average resume gets -at best- 20 seconds worth of attention from an HR/hiring faculty.

Make it count.

This.

Don't cram too much on your page. Think about what the reader will actually care about. A crammed full page = reader skipping over the entire resume.

Don't use fancy cutesy fonts or papers. Use a standard sans serif font for your headings, such as Arial, and use a standard serifed font for the body text, such as Times New Roman.

Be quick and concise in your descriptions.

Use correct spelling, punctuation, and grammar.

Avoid passive voice.

Quantify your previous job experience with numbers whenever possible. Example: Led the sales team to a district record 50% sales volume increase in 2005.

Use descriptive verbs to describe previous job experience. Example: Instead of saying "Responsible for updating software" say something like "Updated and maintained software updates."

Donger
11-29-2010, 11:22 AM
Yes, I agree. I am very "to the point" on it. IMO, wordiness shows a lack of knowledge. I am trying to find the best, most all-inclusive words I can.

Is a two page resume about average?

I wouldn't go more than two, or maybe a page and a half.

Mr. Plow
11-29-2010, 11:22 AM
photo copy your boobs and attach as a cover sheet.


ROFL

I came into the thread to say the exact same thing. Rep.

Rain Man
11-29-2010, 11:23 AM
And be sure to note your amount of posts, rep points, casino cash and your current rep power.

It tipped DaFace over the other applicants when I was interviewing him.

kstater
11-29-2010, 11:24 AM
The order of my resume:

Page 1
Name and personal info
Objective
Skills
Education
Work History

Page 2
Work Experience
About Me
References available upon request

Get it down to 1 page
Take off the references mention. They know you'll provide references if needed.

luv
11-29-2010, 11:25 AM
LMAO

Yeah, but not quite so less. Have a good objective, short and precise. Don't go crazy on your work experience. Just a few bullet points. If you've had a bunch of jobs, try to 'forget' a few.

I had one employer for 12 years. It's the only one I listed. My work experience is the largest portion of my resume. I listed:

Supervisory
Managerial
On-Site
HR Assistant
Customer Support
Production

I listed my duties included in each.

Rain Man
11-29-2010, 11:26 AM
On the resume front, focus your accomplishments on your next job's requirements, not your last job's requirements.

Oh, and the best advice is this: don't worry about your resume and get out and meet people in the industry where you want to work. Networking is a much better bet than sending out blind resumes.

Donger
11-29-2010, 11:28 AM
I had one employer for 12 years. It's the only one I listed. My work experience is the largest portion of my resume. I listed:

Supervisory
Managerial
On-Site
HR Assistant
Customer Support
Production

I listed my duties included in each.

Make sure that you gear them to what this new job wants, not really "here's what I did," if you know what I mean. More like "here's what I can do for you."

Donger
11-29-2010, 11:28 AM
On the resume front, focus your accomplishments on your next job's requirements, not your last job's requirements.

Or this.

Bugeater
11-29-2010, 11:29 AM
Oh, and the best advice is this: don't worry about your resume and get out and meet people in the industry where you want to work. Networking is a much better bet than sending out blind resumes.
What's the best way to go about doing this? Should I just show up at a particular business and hang out in the reception area for a while?

Rausch
11-29-2010, 11:29 AM
On the resume front, focus your accomplishments on your next job's requirements, not your last job's requirements.

Oh, and the best advice is this: don't worry about your resume and get out and meet people in the industry where you want to work. Networking is a much better bet than sending out blind resumes.

It's kind of like dating.

You need to use what friends you have as "feelers" to seek out opportunities.

|Zach|
11-29-2010, 11:30 AM
Oh, and the best advice is this: don't worry about your resume and get out and meet people in the industry where you want to work. Networking is a much better bet than sending out blind resumes.

Yes.

luv
11-29-2010, 11:31 AM
On the resume front, focus your accomplishments on your next job's requirements, not your last job's requirements.

Oh, and the best advice is this: don't worry about your resume and get out and meet people in the industry where you want to work. Networking is a much better bet than sending out blind resumes.

Thanks for the reminder. Right now, the only thing I had planned on changing, depending on who I was sending it to, was my objective.

I currently became a member of SALSP (Springfield Area Legal Support Professionals) which is the local chapter of the state and national organization. Our class actually goes to meetings as field trips every other month. I also receive publications sent out from the group which includes job listings. My only blunder is that I am not a paralegal or legal assistant yet. My goal is to find a job as maybe a receptionist or file clerk in a law firm/department if at all possible.

Rain Man
11-29-2010, 11:31 AM
What's the best way to go about doing this? Should I just show up at a particular business and hang out in the reception area for a while?


They have to use the restroom at some point.

Bugeater
11-29-2010, 11:34 AM
They have to use the restroom at some point.
Ah, good call, I'll just hang in the restroom. That'll definitely put me on the fast track to success. Who says you can't get good career advice on a football forum?

The Pedestrian
11-29-2010, 11:34 AM
They have to use the restroom at some point.

I tried that once. People really appreciate having someone there to dry their hands.

Bill Parcells
11-29-2010, 11:34 AM
luv, to be honest. in this economy networking is the best way to find a job.

Rain Man
11-29-2010, 11:35 AM
And mints. Bring mints. Nothing is better than a good restroom mint when you're freshening up.

luv
11-29-2010, 11:37 AM
Ah, good call, I'll just hang in the restroom. That'll definitely put me on the fast track to success. Who says you can't get good career advice on a football forum?

Exactly. I've read of several people on here who have lost their jobs and found another one. Surely they have tips on what they did. Also, there are several business owners on here who might have good tips as to what employers look for in potential applicants.

The Pedestrian
11-29-2010, 11:37 AM
And mints. Bring mints. Nothing is better than a good restroom mint when you're freshening up.

I don't know...ice in the urinals is supposed to be pretty sweet...

LaChapelle
11-29-2010, 11:39 AM
Always mail it
after the envelope and resume
have been locked in a tuperware container of fresh baked cookies over night

Rain Man
11-29-2010, 11:44 AM
Thanks for the reminder. Right now, the only thing I had planned on changing, depending on who I was sending it to, was my objective.



If you list an objective at the top of your resume, you'd better nail it for each job. It's one of the fastest ways for me to filter people out when they state an objective that doesn't match my job. (I HATE it when people apply for my research jobs and then say they want to work in marketing. We're not a marketing firm!)

Rain Man
11-29-2010, 11:45 AM
Always mail it
after the envelope and resume
have been locked in a tuperware container of fresh baked cookies over night

The post office should do that. That'd be a great service.

Donger
11-29-2010, 11:48 AM
Thanks for the reminder. Right now, the only thing I had planned on changing, depending on who I was sending it to, was my objective.

I currently became a member of SALSP (Springfield Area Legal Support Professionals) which is the local chapter of the state and national organization. Our class actually goes to meetings as field trips every other month. I also receive publications sent out from the group which includes job listings. My only blunder is that I am not a paralegal or legal assistant yet. My goal is to find a job as maybe a receptionist or file clerk in a law firm/department if at all possible.

I presume that you are on Linked In?

Jilly
11-29-2010, 11:49 AM
I tried that once. People really appreciate having someone there to dry their hands.

ROFL

luv
11-29-2010, 11:51 AM
I presume that you are on Linked In?

No. Hadn't thought of that.

MOhillbilly
11-29-2010, 11:53 AM
Luv this sounds like a situation where its more about who you know than what you know.

Donger
11-29-2010, 11:55 AM
No. Hadn't thought of that.

You want to do that.

Hog Farmer
11-29-2010, 12:47 PM
I would find a picture of the most beautiful woman you can find and send it with your resume and tell them you have included your photo. I'll always hire a hot woman over someone more qualified.

Bearcat
11-29-2010, 12:57 PM
The order of my resume:

Page 1
Name and personal info
Objective
Skills
Education
Work History

Page 2
Work Experience
About Me
References available upon request

I'd try to trim it down to 1 page, but I'm sure there are more qualified people who will tell you 2 pages is okay.

I've read some debate about having an objective at all... and like Rain Man said, if you have one, you better nail it. I left it off my resume for my most recent set of interviews.

I also think "references available upon request" is a waste of space... if they want them, they'll ask. IMO, the About Me would have to be pretty relevant.... see, you're almost down to a single page. ;)

Old Dog
11-29-2010, 01:00 PM
I'll always hire a hot woman over someone more qualified.

Do the pigs appreciate that?

The Pedestrian
11-29-2010, 01:08 PM
The order of my resume:

Page 1
Name and personal info
Objective
Skills
Education
Work History

Page 2
Work Experience
About Me
References available upon request

Oh, I don't know if you're already planning to leave this off or not, but quite a few tip sites are starting to say leave off your mailing address, fax, and "fancy" paper. The Ladders (http://www.theladders.com/career-advice/is-resume-old-fashioned) is pretty blunt about it:

Forget the fancy paper. It was all the rage a number of years ago, said career counselor Holly Klose, but, aside from the fact that you will submit most resumes electronically, fancy paper is a thing of the past. “It either shows that you’re over a certain age, or that you’re new to the workforce and received advice from someone of a certain age,” she said.

luv
11-29-2010, 01:10 PM
Oh, I don't know if you're already planning to leave this off or not, but quite a few tip sites are starting to say leave off your mailing address, fax, and "fancy" paper. The Ladders (http://www.theladders.com/career-advice/is-resume-old-fashioned) is pretty blunt about it:

Forget the fancy paper. It was all the rage a number of years ago, said career counselor Holly Klose, but, aside from the fact that you will submit most resumes electronically, fancy paper is a thing of the past. “It either shows that you’re over a certain age, or that you’re new to the workforce and received advice from someone of a certain age,” she said.

So, name, phone, and email?

JD10367
11-29-2010, 01:11 PM
Short and sweet and try to tailor it to pump up the things you think the specific employer might like to hear.

For example, my job is highly technological. If I were applying to a technological company, I'd stress all that. If I were applying to be a manager at a retail store, I'd gloss the technical and stress the responsibility and people managing and scheduling.

PunkinDrublic
11-29-2010, 01:13 PM
Do mention that you are able to deepthroat, but don't let it overshadow your work history and other accomplishments.

The Pedestrian
11-29-2010, 01:14 PM
So, name, phone, and email?

Yep, and just because a lot of places ask anyway, I've been doing home and mobile.

Saulbadguy
11-29-2010, 01:15 PM
Lie.

Rausch
11-29-2010, 01:15 PM
Blowjobs.


It's really never too early in an interview to point out your sister WILL give blowjobs...

Rausch
11-29-2010, 01:16 PM
Lie.

So, what you're saying is, we're all Raiders at heart?....

Hog Farmer
11-29-2010, 01:17 PM
Do the pigs appreciate that?

Yes !

Fire Me Boy!
11-29-2010, 01:29 PM
Here's a few tips I've figured out over the past several months of hiring:

# Typos are a killer. Even one and you're garbage.
# Design of the resume is CRITICAL. Make your design stand out. Anything that will get me past a cursory glance is a good thing.
# Give me references. I don't want to have to track down more information from you. You're asking me for a job, don't make me work to hire you.

Fire Me Boy!
11-29-2010, 01:31 PM
The order of my resume:

Page 1
Name and personal info
Objective
Skills
Education
Work History

Page 2
Work Experience
About Me
References available upon request

Keep it to one page. Utilize columns to maximize space on the page.

Second page should be references.

luv
11-29-2010, 01:42 PM
Keep it to one page. Utilize columns to maximize space on the page.

Second page should be references.

I've got it to a page and a half. If I include references, should i list them at the bottom of page two, or create a new page? I've always heard that creating a new page is key.

Rain Man
11-29-2010, 01:49 PM
I've got it to a page and a half. If I include references, should i list them at the bottom of page two, or create a new page? I've always heard that creating a new page is key.

Maybe this is just me, but I never leave part of a page blank. It looks like you don't have any more to add. If you really don't, space it out, or better yet, compress it to eliminate the half page.

luv
11-29-2010, 01:52 PM
Maybe this is just me, but I never leave part of a page blank. It looks like you don't have any more to add. If you really don't, space it out, or better yet, compress it to eliminate the half page.

I had two pages, but I compressed it to a page and a half...minus references.

AndChiefs
11-29-2010, 02:08 PM
A good cover letter.

Fire Me Boy!
11-29-2010, 02:38 PM
I've got it to a page and a half. If I include references, should i list them at the bottom of page two, or create a new page? I've always heard that creating a new page is key.

I'd add them to the bottom of page 2. No harm in that if you just can't get the first page and a half down to one page. Make sure you're utilizing your space page the first page.

The Pedestrian
11-29-2010, 06:05 PM
I had two pages, but I compressed it to a page and a half...minus references.

It shouldn't be too compressed, or it'll look cluttered. An attractive resume makes use of white space.

joesomebody
11-29-2010, 06:27 PM
Not to hijack, but I have an interview tomorrow. I'm set I think, except this:

How on earth are you supposed to answer the question about your greatest weakness?

I hate that question and always botch it. Any suggestions?

The Pedestrian
11-29-2010, 06:41 PM
Not to hijack, but I have an interview tomorrow. I'm set I think, except this:

How on earth are you supposed to answer the question about your greatest weakness?

I hate that question and always botch it. Any suggestions?

Something you are working on improving, or you can turn into a positive note without sounding corny and cliche. Especially, don't say that your weakness is being a perfectionist.

Simply Red
11-29-2010, 06:54 PM
Less is more.

- this is no longer true, period. Post, say: y2k.

Simply Red
11-29-2010, 06:57 PM
Not to hijack, but I have an interview tomorrow. I'm set I think, except this:

How on earth are you supposed to answer the question about your greatest weakness?

I hate that question and always botch it. Any suggestions?

I always said - 'I'm a tad impatient, I want to complete tasks as efficiently as possible, but w/ regards to my work-history, i've had to depend on others in other departments to help finalize the process' ------ or something of the sorts.

joesomebody
11-29-2010, 06:57 PM
Something you are working on improving, or you can turn into a positive note without sounding corny and cliche. Especially, don't say that your weakness is being a perfectionist.

This may not be a good answer, but I was thinking about talking about my piss poor ability to spell.

I can probably spell better than most, but I feel my ability to spell gud is one of my biggest faults. So much so that I doubt myself all the time. 9 times out of 10, I will spell something correctly and I'll change it to be incorrect or waste time researching.

Is that a bad weakness to use in an interview? I'm applying to be a logistics specialist, so I will be required to write a fair amount. In all reality I'll have access to spell check and dictionaries in this line of work...

joesomebody
11-29-2010, 07:01 PM
I always said - 'I'm a tad impatient, I want to complete tasks as efficiently as possible, but w/ regards to my work-history, i've had to depend on others in other departments to help finalize the process' ------ or something of the sorts.I like this one. Though I have to make sure it comes off that I am good at multi-tasking.

Bugeater
11-29-2010, 07:03 PM
Not to hijack, but I have an interview tomorrow. I'm set I think, except this:

How on earth are you supposed to answer the question about your greatest weakness?

I hate that question and always botch it. Any suggestions?
Haha, I hate bullshit questions like that...they might as well say "give me a reason not to hire you".

SLAG
11-29-2010, 07:03 PM
when I was in Connecticut visiting a client, the client was interviewing a candidate for an open position they had and one of the dudes I was working with that was about to Ho interview this guy was all like. OMG you have to look at this resume ... its 22 pages long and his work history only went back to 2003

:spock:


Sent from the EVO 4G

DenverDanChiefsFan
11-29-2010, 07:05 PM
check your email.

Simply Red
11-29-2010, 07:05 PM
when I was in Connecticut visiting a client, the client was interviewing a candidate for an open position they had and one of the dudes I was working with that was about to Ho interview this guy was all like. OMG you have to look at this resume ... its 22 pages long and his work history only went back to 2003

:spock:


Sent from the EVO 4G

that's absolutely ridiculous.

Simply Red
11-29-2010, 07:06 PM
wear a suit, Joe ;) - shave your face too, :)

joesomebody
11-29-2010, 07:10 PM
wear a suit, Joe ;) - shave your face too, :) I got a hair cut today... Working on the suit now. I think I'm going sans suit jacket though. Just shirt, tie, and I have a nice dockers winter type coat that I'll wear into the interview and probably take off before I sit.

The interview is with FEMA first responder types for a logistics job, so I'm not thinking a power suit is necessarily appropriate.

Simply Red
11-29-2010, 07:11 PM
pls also, don't fidget (no matter what) - look in eye, check the corners of your mouth, check your posture, smile, take notes, check your breath, bring pen (lol) - use eyedrops. Ask for the job!

^ just a few people dont think of ^


Coffee's for closers! Go get it!

Simply Red
11-29-2010, 07:14 PM
I got a hair cut today... Working on the suit now. I think I'm going sans suit jacket though. Just shirt, tie, and I have a nice dockers winter type coat that I'll wear into the interview and probably take off before I sit.

The interview is with FEMA first responder types for a logistics job, so I'm not thinking a power suit is necessarily appropriate.

yes, drape it on your seat backing, contouring it over the chair outlines, like you're chair is wearing the jacket, Also, another quick reminder, DON'T over nod or tilt your head. These are all serious, i know SOME sound retarted, but they're proven and come from the experts.

Bugeater
11-29-2010, 07:16 PM
Jesus Christ, I hope Simply Red never interviews me for a job, I'd fail for sure.

Simply Red
11-29-2010, 07:18 PM
Jesus Christ, I hope Simply Red never interviews me for a job, I'd fail for sure.

sorry, i'm not being a dick, it's just how the pro's i've read on, say to do it. I could say a ton more if Joe want's anymore advice, there's a ton of shit to do in order to ace an interview. Best i've done is a self graded 'B' --- I'd like to ace one, one day, though. Hopefully if this business survives I'll be the interviewer and not have to interview. So far, so good.

joesomebody
11-29-2010, 07:25 PM
sorry, i'm not being a dick, it's just how the pro's i've read on, say to do it. I could say a ton more if Joe want's anymore advice, there's a ton of shit to do in order to ace an interview. Best i've done is a self graded 'B' --- I'd like to ace one, one day, though. Hopefully if this business survives I'll be the interviewer and not have to interview. So far, so good.
Please keep them coming. Should I really take notes? I really really want this job. It pays well enough (about average to above average for fresh out of school econ grads) and is here in Columbia. I really don't want to move. Plus, I would love to work in the type of environment where I get to help people again. I miss the Air Force, and this is right up my alley.

I am positive I over-nod. I'll work on that.

joesomebody
11-29-2010, 07:26 PM
When you talk about posture, do you mean to be stiff. Almost like sitting at attention in the military? Is that good or bad?

I have lot's of experience in front of military promotion/accommodation boards, and we had to sit at attention during those. I don't want to seem overly stiff though. Which is better?

Simply Red
11-29-2010, 07:29 PM
When you talk about posture, do you mean to be stiff. Almost like sitting at attention in the military? Is that good or bad?

I have lot's of experience in front of military promotion/accommodation boards, and we had to sit at attention during those. I don't want to seem overly stiff though. Which is better?

not a stiff, but do not slouch, error on the stiff... and we're talking about how you're sitting WHILE interviewing.

Simply Red
11-29-2010, 07:36 PM
... take a nice pen.

also, take ANY and ALL bragging book material, meaning, take and actually print out emails which were complementary of your work, even schooling accomplishments, ask them questions, don't dominate, but don't be shy, you can ask for the job, too, i recommend it in the closing. Something like, Are there any unanswered questions or foginess I can clarify for you? --or have I provided all you'll need for your consideration for this position?'

be as genuine as you can, just do not create any awkwardness, also, maybe even visualize this person is a friend,

you can vary a tad on all, Joe. Anything else? They may ask you the 'why you' question, that's fairly easy to get through, though...

joesomebody
11-29-2010, 07:40 PM
... take a nice pen.

also, take ANY and ALL bragging book material, meaning, take and actually print out emails which were complementary of your work, even schooling accomplishments, ask them questions, don't dominate, but don't be shy, you can ask for the job, too, i recommend it in the closing. Something like, Are there any unanswered questions or foginess I can clarify for you? --or have I provided all you'll need for your consideration for this position?'

be as genuine as you can, just do not create any awkwardness, also, maybe even visualize this person is a friend,

you can vary a tad on all, Joe. Anything else? They may ask you the 'why you' question, that's fairly easy to get through, though... When you say ask for the job, what do you mean? At the end, I just say "Can I have the job?"

This is a pretty good job, I assume there will be more than one interview. I sort of doubt I'm walking out of there with a job tomorrow. I could definitely use some clarification on that one.

I wish I had copies of my military yearly reviews. Some really good stuff. I didn't realize you should provide copies of stuff like that during an interview unless asked. Up until now, I've only interviewed for part time positions.

Simply Red
11-29-2010, 07:52 PM
When you say ask for the job, what do you mean? At the end, I just say "Can I have the job?"

This is a pretty good job, I assume there will be more than one interview. I sort of doubt I'm walking out of there with a job tomorrow. I could definitely use some clarification on that one.

I wish I had copies of my military yearly reviews. Some really good stuff. I didn't realize you should provide copies of stuff like that during an interview unless asked. Up until now, I've only interviewed for part time positions.

keep the data/hardcopies in your laptop case until needed, but, Yes, bring stuff, It's okay, no matter what. You can use the military reviews as a way to answer the question, break out the data and put on a clinic on a (normally) 'hard-to-answer' question. Prove yourself as much as possible.

as you're leaving, Joe. Say something along the lines of 'Have I answered all of your questions, is there anything I can clear up?' and then follow with a 'I'd appreciate your consideration for the position, and I'd like nothing more than this position and the opportunity to prove what we've discussed. and then ****ing smile. :)

luv
11-29-2010, 08:04 PM
Not to hijack, but I have an interview tomorrow. I'm set I think, except this:

How on earth are you supposed to answer the question about your greatest weakness?

I hate that question and always botch it. Any suggestions?

Make it positive and job related. Say your weakness is making decisions. You could say that you are a perfectionist, and sometimes this means that you want to make sure that you have all the information possible before making decisions.

Simply Red
11-29-2010, 08:07 PM
Make it positive and job related. Say your weakness is making decisions. You could say that you are a perfectionist, and sometimes this means that you want to make sure that you have all the information possible before making decisions.

all these are good, 'fact based decisions' oh yes, nice one, that's very good to indicate you make 'fact based decisions.

Bearcat
11-29-2010, 08:12 PM
Not to hijack, but I have an interview tomorrow. I'm set I think, except this:

How on earth are you supposed to answer the question about your greatest weakness?

I hate that question and always botch it. Any suggestions?

Assuming you're looking to move up in the company, you should have a decent idea of what career paths you could take. Talk about something that would be a requirement for your NEXT job with the company, but that's not a big part of the job you're interviewing for... in other words, something you'll have the chance to exhibit in the job you're interviewing for, but not a deal breaker.

So, if you were interviewing for an entry level type job working in a small team, and the next level was project manager, you could safely talk about how you would like to improve your leadership skills... and you could tell them the job you're interviewing for will give you the opportunity to grow and strengthen those skills.

KCUnited
11-29-2010, 08:17 PM
Practice, do some mock interviews, try your best to simulate a real interview environment. As someone who gives interviews, I like to do my best to throw you off your game so I can see what you're really like. I'll use awkward pauses, blantant over-the-top fake laughter at feeble attempts at humor, vacant/confused stares after very poignant answers, long exasperated sighs, anything I can to see how you react when you're uncomfortable and under pressure.

Practice with someone.

Bugeater
11-29-2010, 08:20 PM
Practice, do some mock interviews, try your best to simulate a real interview environment. As someone who gives interviews, I like to do my best to throw you off your game so I can see what you're really like. I'll use awkward pauses, blantant over-the-top fake laughter at feeble attempts at humor, vacant/confused stares after very poignant answers, long exasperated sighs, anything I can to see how you react when you're uncomfortable and under pressure.

Practice with someone.
I fucking hate you.

KCUnited
11-29-2010, 08:22 PM
I ****ing hate you.

You're hired!

alnorth
11-29-2010, 08:23 PM
1) On cover letter or in e-mail message if HR requires you to send electronically, keep it short (2-3 paragraphs) and tailor it specifically to that company. Show you know something about them, what some of their needs might be, and that you can meet their needs.

2) Unless you won the nobel prize or medal of honor, keep resume to one page. (exception: I hear it is accepted for college professors to have long resumes)

3) Keep only relevant information on the resume, enough to fill the page (more fluff if you are young with little experience, less if not) Slightly increase font or spacing if you need to.

4) In both resume and cover letter, do not be afraid to brag about your strengths. You do not want to lie or exaggerate anything, but this is not the time to be modest.

luv
11-29-2010, 08:26 PM
1) On cover letter or in e-mail message if HR requires you to send electronically, keep it short (2-3 paragraphs) and tailor it specifically to that company. Show you know something about them, what some of their needs might be, and that you can meet their needs.

2) Unless you won the nobel prize or medal of honor, keep resume to one page. (exception: I hear it is accepted for college professors to have long resumes)

3) Keep only relevant information on the resume, enough to fill the page (more fluff if you are young with little experience, less if not) Slightly increase font or spacing if you need to.

4) In both resume and cover letter, do not be afraid to brag about your strengths. You do not want to lie or exaggerate anything, but this is not the time to be modest.

I think I will be able to get my resume down to one page. I was including items on there that would sufficiently be covered in the cover letter, which I will begin working on tomorrow.

Rain Man
11-29-2010, 08:47 PM
Practice, do some mock interviews, try your best to simulate a real interview environment. As someone who gives interviews, I like to do my best to throw you off your game so I can see what you're really like. I'll use awkward pauses, blantant over-the-top fake laughter at feeble attempts at humor, vacant/confused stares after very poignant answers, long exasperated sighs, anything I can to see how you react when you're uncomfortable and under pressure.

Practice with someone.


I do exactly the same thing. Except not just in interviews. And it's not fake.

DRU
11-29-2010, 10:27 PM
What type of a job are you looking for? I'm looking for some help at Angell EYE (www.angelleye.com)

AndChiefs
11-29-2010, 10:46 PM
What type of a job are you looking for? I'm looking for some help at Angell EYE (www.angelleye.com)

I thought Luv was attending nursing school and I'm guessing you're looking for coders. Perhaps my memory is incorrect.

luv
11-29-2010, 10:50 PM
I thought Luv was attending nursing school and I'm guessing you're looking for coders. Perhaps my memory is incorrect.

Ugh. You must have me confused with badgirl. Shame on you. I'm going to school to be a paralegal.

AndChiefs
11-29-2010, 10:52 PM
Ugh. You must have me confused with badgirl. Shame on you. I'm going to school to be a paralegal.

*falls to knees begging for forgiveness*

I apologize. At least I was right about you going back to school.

teedubya
11-29-2010, 10:59 PM
Make sure you have a POWERFUL summary at the beginning of your resume. Objectives and Summary's get read the most. Its the Cliff's notes of your resume. You want that HR person to put you in the pile that gets called.

Bugeater
11-29-2010, 11:00 PM
Ugh. You must have me confused with badgirl. Shame on you. I'm going to school to be a paralegal.
:LOL: Ouch. I hope you dropped a neg rep bomb on him for that.

luv
11-29-2010, 11:00 PM
Make sure you have a POWERFUL summary at the beginning of your resume. Objectives and Summary's get read the most. Its the Cliff's notes of your resume. You want that HR person to put you in the pile that gets called.

Isn't that what the cover letter is for?

luv
11-29-2010, 11:01 PM
:LOL: Ouch. I hope you dropped a neg rep bomb on him for that.

He caught me misspelling Haley in another thread, so we've forgiven each other (even though I think my forgiveness mean more). :)

-King-
11-29-2010, 11:36 PM
Something you are working on improving, or you can turn into a positive note without sounding corny and cliche. Especially, don't say that your weakness is being a perfectionist.

Make it positive and job related. Say your weakness is making decisions. You could say that you are a perfectionist, and sometimes this means that you want to make sure that you have all the information possible before making decisions.

This is why I hate interviews and asking for help on interviews. Too many contradicting opinions.

But some of the help offered here seem pretty good.

Fairplay
11-29-2010, 11:41 PM
I wouldn't hire you.

Pushead2
11-30-2010, 12:19 AM
If you list an objective at the top of your resume, you'd better nail it for each job. It's one of the fastest ways for me to filter people out when they state an objective that doesn't match my job. (I HATE it when people apply for my research jobs and then say they want to work in marketing. We're not a marketing firm!)

Let's do this, I just left my job & ready to "research"......what are we researching and how many injections of it do I have to take?

AndChiefs
11-30-2010, 05:38 AM
Isn't that what the cover letter is for?

There's been a trend towards going back to having a summary statement of skills at the top of your resume. Frankly, it seems like what's expected changes from year to year which makes it all the tougher.

Simply Red
11-30-2010, 06:36 AM
Good luck today JS. ;)

Fire Me Boy!
11-30-2010, 06:39 AM
This may not be a good answer, but I was thinking about talking about my piss poor ability to spell.

I can probably spell better than most, but I feel my ability to spell gud is one of my biggest faults. So much so that I doubt myself all the time. 9 times out of 10, I will spell something correctly and I'll change it to be incorrect or waste time researching.

Is that a bad weakness to use in an interview? I'm applying to be a logistics specialist, so I will be required to write a fair amount. In all reality I'll have access to spell check and dictionaries in this line of work...

If a major part of your job is writing, do NOT say spelling is a problem, even with spell check and such available. The interview will end badly and quickly.

Fire Me Boy!
11-30-2010, 06:41 AM
I got a hair cut today... Working on the suit now. I think I'm going sans suit jacket though. Just shirt, tie, and I have a nice dockers winter type coat that I'll wear into the interview and probably take off before I sit.

The interview is with FEMA first responder types for a logistics job, so I'm not thinking a power suit is necessarily appropriate.

Dress slightly better than everyone else. If everyone wears a shirt and tie, wear a suit. If everyone wears a button-up with no tie, wear a tie.

Fire Me Boy!
11-30-2010, 06:43 AM
Please keep them coming. Should I really take notes? I really really want this job. It pays well enough (about average to above average for fresh out of school econ grads) and is here in Columbia. I really don't want to move. Plus, I would love to work in the type of environment where I get to help people again. I miss the Air Force, and this is right up my alley.

I am positive I over-nod. I'll work on that.

DO take notes. It's always a good sign to show that you're actively interested in what's being said. It will also better prepare you to ask a question or two at the end of the interview. Jot questions down as you think of them, draw arrows to points you want to follow up on so it's easy to scan the notes and be reminded.

Fire Me Boy!
11-30-2010, 06:43 AM
Practice, do some mock interviews, try your best to simulate a real interview environment. As someone who gives interviews, I like to do my best to throw you off your game so I can see what you're really like. I'll use awkward pauses, blantant over-the-top fake laughter at feeble attempts at humor, vacant/confused stares after very poignant answers, long exasperated sighs, anything I can to see how you react when you're uncomfortable and under pressure.

Practice with someone.

That's awesome. I'm going to start doing that. I've got someone coming in today.

Simply Red
11-30-2010, 06:56 AM
also take 'em a little jar of apricot-preserves and a batch of barley.

joesomebody
11-30-2010, 06:57 AM
Good luck today JS. ;)

Thanks SR, and thank you to everyone who offered suggestions.

I'll go with your being impatient suggestion for the biggest weakness. Spelling is too honest for an interview I guess. I repeat, I'm not a horrible speller, it's just something that I personally feel I need to work on.

AndChiefs
11-30-2010, 07:00 AM
Thanks SR, and thank you to everyone who offered suggestions.

I'll go with your being impatient suggestion for the biggest weakness. Spelling is too honest for an interview I guess. I repeat, I'm not a horrible speller, it's just something that I personally feel I need to work on.

And that's why a good interviewer will never ask that question. At least in my opinion. :)

Simply Red
11-30-2010, 07:06 AM
Thanks SR, and thank you to everyone who offered suggestions.

I'll go with your being impatient suggestion for the biggest weakness. Spelling is too honest for an interview I guess. I repeat, I'm not a horrible speller, it's just something that I personally feel I need to work on.

just google it, when you don't know how and that'll be your best trainer moving forward...

Bugeater
11-30-2010, 07:11 AM
That's awesome. I'm going to start doing that. I've got someone coming in today.
I fucking hate you.

Fire Me Boy!
11-30-2010, 07:45 AM
And that's why a good interviewer will never ask that question. At least in my opinion. :)

I disagree. It's good when someone can identify a problem and express how they're working to improve. I don't phrase it as "your biggest weakness". I always ask where they need the greatest improvement.

Fire Me Boy!
11-30-2010, 07:45 AM
I ****ing hate you.

ROFL

Fire Me Boy!
11-30-2010, 07:48 AM
And that's why a good interviewer will never ask that question. At least in my opinion. :)

If you're trying to be a writer in any capacity, and you admit that spelling or grammar is your biggest weakness, I'd seriously consider that judgment is indeed your biggest weakness. Spelling and grammar might very well be your biggest weakness, but it's one of the single most important parts of writing at a professional level.

Saulbadguy
11-30-2010, 07:52 AM
also take 'em a little jar of apricot-preserves and a batch of barley.

You want me to cook you up some fuckin potato pancakes? Some latkes?

luv
11-30-2010, 07:55 AM
I disagree. It's good when someone can identify a problem and express how they're working to improve. I don't phrase it as "your biggest weakness". I always ask where they need the greatest improvement.

I think it also shows how honest you are. You just have to try to put a positive spin on it and make sure that positive spin relates to your job. I actually received something from my school on interviewing yesterday.

I know a big thing they do is perform mock interviews.


http://www.jobdig.com/articles/445/What_Are_Your_Strengths_and_Weaknessess%3F.html

AndChiefs
11-30-2010, 08:08 AM
If you're trying to be a writer in any capacity, and you admit that spelling or grammar is your biggest weakness, I'd seriously consider that judgment is indeed your biggest weakness. Spelling and grammar might very well be your biggest weakness, but it's one of the single most important parts of writing at a professional level.

I agree...but there's better ways to find out about a person than the direct approach like that. Greatest improvement is a better wording though.

KCUnited
11-30-2010, 08:11 AM
We call them limiters, one of my current limiters is empathy for my direct reports.

Fire Me Boy!
11-30-2010, 08:20 AM
I agree...but there's better ways to find out about a person than the direct approach like that. Greatest improvement is a better wording though.

I'm not certain there are better ways to identify something like that. Most people, especially in an interview, are very guarded of their weaknesses. If you want to know that, you almost always have to ask.

My answer, especially now that I'm in management, is that as a manager I sometimes rely on email too much to manage people. That in my world - the internet - it's very easy to fall into electronic means of communication and remove the face-to-face, person-to-person aspect. It's a very honest answer, and I always follow it up with it was first brought to my attention about three years ago, that I'm aware of it, and I've continuously worked to improve that side of me. That I think my managers would say I improved from year to year, and I'd encourage them to follow up with X person.

Jenson71
11-30-2010, 08:24 AM
How is the paralegal education coming, luv? Do you find it interesting? What are some of the main subjects your classes cover?

luv
11-30-2010, 08:30 AM
How is the paralegal education coming, luv? Do you find it interesting? What are some of the main subjects your classes cover?

Office procedures, legal terminology, filing, civil interviewing and investigation, criminal law, etc.

I love the field of study, but I'm unsure about my education. I'm basically paying for job training, and I haven't really felt challenged in any of my classes so far. My teacher is sick a lot, so we leave early. With as much as I'm spending on the program, I expect to get much more for my money.

luv
11-30-2010, 08:32 AM
I agree...but there's better ways to find out about a person than the direct approach like that. Greatest improvement is a better wording though.

The interviewer is trying to gather as much information in as little amount of time as possible. Most don't have time to beat around the bush and are not worried about whether you're uncomfortable or not. They want you to be uncomfortable. It shows them how you fair under pressure.

Bugeater
11-30-2010, 08:33 AM
Heh, interestingly enough, I just got a call back from a job I had inquired about a while back, and I have an interview this Thursday. Usually if the 'weakness' question comes up, I'll answer it by saying I don't have much patience when it comes to co-workers who don't do their jobs with the same standards and dedication that I do. Is that a bad thing to say, or is their a better way to word it so it doesn't come across that I don't work well with others? Or should I lie and make something stupid up? I just wonder sometimes if honesty is really the best policy, but I'm not a good liar.

luv
11-30-2010, 08:35 AM
Heh, interestingly enough, I just got a call back from a job I had inquired about a while back, and I have an interview this Thursday. Usually if the 'weakness' question comes up, I'll answer it by saying I don't have much patience when it comes to co-workers who don't do their jobs with the same standards and dedication that I do. Is that a bad thing to say, or is their a better way to word it so it doesn't come across that I don't work well with others? Or should I lie and make something stupid up? I just wonder sometimes if honesty is really the best policy, but I'm not a good liar.

I think that says it perfectly. Puts another characteristic (high standards) in a positive light, and it's definitely job related.

KCUnited
11-30-2010, 08:42 AM
Heh, interestingly enough, I just got a call back from a job I had inquired about a while back, and I have an interview this Thursday. Usually if the 'weakness' question comes up, I'll answer it by saying I don't have much patience when it comes to co-workers who don't do their jobs with the same standards and dedication that I do. Is that a bad thing to say, or is their a better way to word it so it doesn't come across that I don't work well with others? Or should I lie and make something stupid up? I just wonder sometimes if honesty is really the best policy, but I'm not a good liar.

I'd follow it up with something positive, like since you've recognized your lack of patience you take the time to coach your peers when you recognize that work standards aren't being met. That way it showcases your high standards and your ability to hold your peers accountable and work as a team.

AndChiefs
11-30-2010, 08:44 AM
The interviewer is trying to gather as much information in as little amount of time as possible. Most don't have time to beat around the bush and are not worried about whether you're uncomfortable or not. They want you to be uncomfortable. It shows them how you fair under pressure.

I prefer focusing more on personal stories and throwing the interviewee off that way. But true, the general idea is to throw a curveball that they don't expect in order to try to see who the person really is.

Either way, interviewing is an inexact science and you're going to strike out as well as hit home runs. Just trying to minimize the strikeouts is the hard part.

Fairplay
11-30-2010, 08:45 AM
I think that says it perfectly. Puts another characteristic (high standards) in a positive light, and it's definitely job related.



Luv let's get together for a practice interview. I have all my questions ready. You will be graded in different categories of your performance.

L.A. Chieffan
11-30-2010, 08:48 AM
make sure you make business cards with with a water mark. that always goes over well

Saulbadguy
11-30-2010, 08:50 AM
make sure you make business cards with with a water mark. that always goes over well

That, and subtle, off-white coloring.

Bugeater
11-30-2010, 08:54 AM
I think that says it perfectly. Puts another characteristic (high standards) in a positive light, and it's definitely job related.

I'd follow it up with something positive, like since you've recognized your lack of patience you take the time to coach your peers when you recognize that work standards aren't being met. That way it showcases your high standards and your ability to hold your peers accountable and work as a team.
Good deal, because that's definitely a weakness for me, and I can't screw this up because it's a rare opportunity to get my foot in the door in a field I really want to get into.

Fairplay
11-30-2010, 09:00 AM
Also a tip. I wrote down the top 25 job questions employers ask that were posted on an internet site.

I wrote down how to respond and practiced verbally answering the questions everyday. It really helped a lot, then just project yourself confidently with a smile and maybe a wink-wink from time to time during your interview and you could land the job.

Omaha
11-30-2010, 09:18 AM
The order of my resume:

Page 1
Name and personal info
Objective
Skills
Education
Work History

Page 2
Work Experience
About Me
References available upon request

I would try to keep it to 1 page. I hate getting 2 page resumes.

joesomebody
11-30-2010, 09:19 AM
I truly think the interview went great. It ran a full hour, the two interviewers were very frank about everything.

They let me know exactly what I was up against.

Apparantly there were 7 people out of over 50 applicants called for first interviews.

They plan to narrow the 7 to 2 or 3 for second interviews and will inform me by next week.

After the second interviews, one will be selected to be hired by the board of directors.

When I thought the interview was over, they gave me a 10 to 15 minute tour of the place and introduced me to some people.

I have a really good feeling about it.

My only problem is the paperwork they gave me requires CPR certification, and I am not currently certified. I've been certified numerous times, I just let it expire because I didn't need certification while going to school.

I tried very hard to speak as if I was a going to get the job.

Fairplay
11-30-2010, 09:24 AM
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Chiefs Pantalones
11-30-2010, 09:26 AM
Have good work experience and a college education. That'll be a start.

AndChiefs
11-30-2010, 09:40 AM
I truly think the interview went great. It ran a full hour, the two interviewers were very frank about everything.

They let me know exactly what I was up against.

Apparantly there were 7 people out of over 50 applicants called for first interviews.

They plan to narrow the 7 to 2 or 3 for second interviews and will inform me by next week.

After the second interviews, one will be selected to be hired by the board of directors.

When I thought the interview was over, they gave me a 10 to 15 minute tour of the place and introduced me to some people.

I have a really good feeling about it.

My only problem is the paperwork they gave me requires CPR certification, and I am not currently certified. I've been certified numerous times, I just let it expire because I didn't need certification while going to school.

I tried very hard to speak as if I was a going to get the job.

Good luck Joe.

HonestChieffan
11-30-2010, 09:52 AM
The order of my resume:

Page 1
Name and personal info
Objective
Skills
Education
Work History

Page 2
Work Experience
About Me
References available upon request

get it on one page

btlook1
11-30-2010, 10:05 AM
get it on one page

I agree.....trim it down and get it down to 1 page only. You can elaborate more when you get an interview!

Dave Lane
11-30-2010, 11:17 AM
Working on sprucing up my resume. Any tips? I love to write and be creative, but I'm not really one who is great a selling myself to employers.

If you want pm me and I'll look it over. Ive seen thousands of resumes and know what works since I was doing the hiring.

Fire Me Boy!
11-30-2010, 11:18 AM
If you want pm me and I'll look it over. Ive seen thousands of resumes and know what works since I was doing the hiring.

Me too. I'll be happy to help, and I've looked over hundreds in the past few months.

bowener
10-24-2012, 02:44 PM
How up to date is all of this info?

I've worked a lot of shit jobs, and I fear they make my resume weak.

Woodchuck
10-24-2012, 02:45 PM
Put the roller derby shit on there. maybe even your roller derby nickname. It will get you interviews.

loochy
10-24-2012, 03:14 PM
you do what they say in this thread and you be CAKN PATNA

Bugeater
10-24-2012, 03:15 PM
I would try to keep it to 1 page. I hate getting 2 page resumes.
And if you're a smoker, lie when he asks you about it.

Bearcat
10-24-2012, 03:25 PM
I would try to keep it to 1 page. I hate getting 2 page resumes.

I've had friends ask me to look over their resume.... ~25 years old and they have a 2+ page resume. Uh, all that stuff might look impressive to you, but it doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the real world. :(

loochy
10-24-2012, 03:50 PM
I've had friends ask me to look over their resume.... ~25 years old and they have a 2+ page resume. Uh, all that stuff might look impressive to you, but it doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the real world. :(

bbbbbut i was a member of the (insert worthless club here) club in college!

i was chair of I ETA PI!

AndChiefs
10-24-2012, 03:56 PM
bbbbbut i was a member of the (insert worthless club here) club in college!

i was chair of I ETA PI!

I think part of it is the enigma of computer keyword searching. They want it to get past the computer screener so they put as many words on the page as possible that might possibly be included in what the company is looking for.

BigRedChief
10-24-2012, 04:08 PM
I've had friends ask me to look over their resume.... ~25 years old and they have a 2+ page resume. Uh, all that stuff might look impressive to you, but it doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the real world. :(In the tech world, you need to put in everything you ever worked with on the resume for the keyword searchs. But dont fluff in the rest of the resume.

My resume is at 3 pages but I have 12 years of experience and shitload of certifications to list. A 25 year old should fit onto a one page resume.

The key to resumes is to get as much feedback from others as possible. As Bearcat said, what you think is important, may not be important to someone else.

scho63
10-24-2012, 05:54 PM
I've hired 100+ people over the last 20 and have seen a minimum of 1,000 resumes

TIPS:


Don't be too creative or cute-it is a negative unless you are going for an advertising job
Don't tell a single lie on the resume especially about being an expert at something like Excel or Powerpoint and you don't know how to autosum or can't even create an animation
Taut every major success or accomplishment at each job
Don't talk about your daily work as if it is an accomplishment-it is not
Don't put experience older then 10 years ago
Make sure to tailor your skill set to fit the job
TRIPLE CHECK YOUR GRAMMER AND HAVE AT LEAST THREE IMPARTIAL PEOPLE READ IT FIRST


Things like your language skills, the fact you like golf, or other things don't really mean much anymore. Be careful on structure, font's and fancy paper.

You should have a Linkedin Profile if you are a professional and you better assume that they will dig into your Facebook page-they can find you with your personal email that you use at Facebook by search

Hope those help

Bearcat
10-24-2012, 06:12 PM
TRIPLE CHECK YOUR GRAMMER AND HAVE AT LEAST THREE IMPARTIAL PEOPLE READ IT FIRST



This is extremely important, heh.

Gonzo
10-24-2012, 06:29 PM
I had a guy submit a resume once on parchment paper, rolled up and sealed with wax like a scroll.
It was hand written in old English.


"I hereby presenth thy résumé."

I shit you not. I did not hire him either. Douchebag...

Canofbier
10-24-2012, 06:39 PM
TRIPLE CHECK YOUR GRAMMER AND HAVE AT LEAST THREE IMPARTIAL PEOPLE READ IT FIRST


Make sure your speling is good too.

La literatura
10-24-2012, 06:39 PM
I've hired 100+ people over the last 20 and have seen a minimum of 1,000 resumes

. . . .

Hope those help

What about Eagle Scout? Should an Eagle Scout list that? And what about Interests and Hobbies?

Canofbier
10-24-2012, 06:48 PM
What about Eagle Scout? Should an Eagle Scout list that? And what about Interests and Hobbies?

I'm not swimming in experience or anything, but I figure that fun facts and hobbies should be left off of a resume, since space on the page is so precious (and people who go through tons of resumes hate ones that are any longer than they need to be). In many cases, HR people have more resumes than they could possibly read, so they skim; if they see that you used space on your resume for non-essential details, they might figure that you have nothing better to say and toss it out, never to read it again. They might make you a more desirable hire, but your personality gets its chance to shine when you have your interview.

Of course, each job is different. Depending on the industry, the company size and the kind of person reviewing your resume, it might be worth including the extra information. In my opinion, though, you're better off sticking strictly to business unless you have specific reason to believe that doing otherwise would be of benefit.

Simply Red
10-24-2012, 06:56 PM
semi lengthy and detailed are now back in style.

Canofbier
10-24-2012, 07:24 PM
semi lengthy and detailed are now back in style.

I was recently hired at a very large consulting firm, and after joining was told by more than one person that the resumes get looked at for maybe 8-10 seconds each and whatever went beyond the first page wasn't looked at. It's probably not quite that bad with smaller companies, admittedly, but at least for younger people, there's no benefit to going beyond one page.

Bearcat
10-24-2012, 07:43 PM
semi lengthy and detailed are now back in style.

Someone recently mentioned to me that they wanted to do a narrative resume... thought it was odd, but maybe they had heard the same thing. I've always used a cover letter as an overview of my resume, and it's my chance to be a little more verbose. HR can read it or throw it away, and the interviewers/hiring managers get the highlights they need in the resume.

Bugeater
10-24-2012, 08:09 PM
On a related note, why the fuck do so many employers want you to fill out lengthy applications when a fucking resume would be adequate? Does it really fucking matter what fucking elementary school I attended 30 fucking years ago?

Mr_Tomahawk
10-24-2012, 08:16 PM
Anyone say pictures of your boobs under "Qualifications" yet?

GloryDayz
10-24-2012, 08:31 PM
Have you considered a Curriculum Vitae (CV). On the reviewing side, I've come to prefer the CV since I can skim parts that are less relevant, but get more detail in those areas I'm more interested in. I'm sure you have plenty of content for either, I'm just saying the CV provides the reviewer some advantages most Resumes' don't.

La literatura
10-24-2012, 08:44 PM
Have you considered a Curriculum Vitae (CV). On the reviewing side, I've come to prefer the CV since I can skim parts that are less relevant, but get more detail in those areas I'm more interested in. I'm sure you have plenty of content for either, I'm just saying the CV provides the reviewer some advantages most Resumes' don't.

My understanding is that those are just for academicians.

AndChiefs
10-24-2012, 08:45 PM
My understanding is that those are just for academicians.

Or Europeans.

GloryDayz
10-24-2012, 08:51 PM
My understanding is that those are just for academicians.

Geared towards it, but I find that a lot of folks have altered its narrative nature into useful highlights for a broader group. Like I said, bullets and employment history are weak, you wanna tell me what you've done with routers, tell me a short story about it. Very short! I don't care that you've been to certain Cisco classes, we all have, tell me what you did with it. Tell me how you've integrated them with other vendors. I don't care that you have, tell me a bit more about it. Come interview time, you'll go into much greater detail. So I find it takes a lot of the guess work out of separating the chaff..

GloryDayz
10-24-2012, 08:52 PM
Or Europeans.

Europe is cool (as long as it's not French).

scho63
10-25-2012, 04:58 PM
This is extremely important, heh.

I was dying for someone to catch that little foible and it didn't take too long....

:clap:

Bugeater
10-31-2012, 08:20 AM
Ok, I need someone here who is smarter than me to explain something. Two weeks ago I saw a job posted on CareerLink, and I met their list of qualifications to a T, so I submitted my resume as requested. I never heard anything back, which I suppose isn't unusual, as the possibility certainly exists that they found someone else. But today, I see the job posted yet again. So my question is, why on earth would they completely ignore a qualified applicant like that?

RippedmyFlesh
10-31-2012, 08:27 AM
Ok, I need someone here who is smarter than me to explain something. Two weeks ago I saw a job posted on CareerLink, and I met their list of qualifications to a T, so I submitted my resume as requested. I never heard anything back, which I suppose isn't unusual, as the possibility certainly exists that they found someone else. But today, I see the job posted yet again. So my question is, why on earth would they completely ignore a qualified applicant like that? How old are you? Can someone guess your age based on your resume? Employers now days prefer younger workers right or wrong. I have extensive experience in IT yet didn't get calls for interviews until I just included last 10 years of experience. There is a bias against older(over 35) applicants. If you don't believe that you are being delusional because I know for a fact it happens. I am not in great shape or anything but I do look younger than my age so that helps when I go to interviews. My wife was in banking for 25 years and didn't get calls for jobs that she trained people on.

Bugeater
10-31-2012, 08:33 AM
How old are you? Can someone guess your age based on your resume? Employers now days prefer younger workers right or wrong. I have extensive experience in IT yet didn't get calls for interviews until I just included last 10 years of experience. There is a bias against older(over 35) applicants. If you don't believe that you are being delusional because I know for a fact it happens. I am not in great shape or anything but I do look younger than my age so that helps when I go to interviews. My wife was in banking for 25 years and didn't get calls for jobs that she trained people on.
Ok, that makes some sense. I'm 44, and I do have relevant work experience listed on by resume dating back to 1991. That's pretty fucked up if they want the experience but not the age. It's hard to get one without the other.

RippedmyFlesh
10-31-2012, 08:37 AM
Ok, that makes some sense. I'm 44, and I do have relevant work experience listed on by resume dating back to 1991. That's pretty fucked up if they want the experience but not the age. It's hard to get one without the other. You kind of need that blend of experience yet no too much. I have it easy because I went to college for Medical technology worked a couple of years and went back to school for IT. I list the year I finished school for IT so they assume I am younger than 53 when I apply. Just go back 10 years on your resume that should help.

Bugeater
10-31-2012, 08:46 AM
You kind of need that blend of experience yet no too much. I have it easy because I went to college for Medical technology worked a couple of years and went back to school for IT. I list the year I finished school for IT so they assume I am younger than 53 when I apply. Just go back 10 years on your resume that should help.
Eh, if that's the case then I'm not going to worry about it too much. I'm not interested in working for someone who discriminates like that. And if that's what's going on here it's kinda ironic seeing that this particular job was a maintenance position in a retirement home, so compared to the people that are living there I am still pretty young.

RippedmyFlesh
10-31-2012, 09:00 AM
Eh, if that's the case then I'm not going to worry about it too much. I'm not interested in working for someone who discriminates like that. And if that's what's going on here it's kinda ironic seeing that this particular job was a maintenance position in a retirement home, so compared to the people that are living there I am still pretty young. When I got my current position I tried to convince the CEO that even though I was mature I was willing to learn new tricks so to speak. He cut me off and came right and said "Don't worry John I don't discriminate against mature workers." He's 47 so staring down 50 prob makes him that way. And you are right F them if they cant appreciate your experience.

La literatura
10-31-2012, 09:55 AM
Can you contact the company directly, without going through CareerLink? Maybe some wires got crossed.

Bearcat
10-31-2012, 10:00 AM
Ok, I need someone here who is smarter than me to explain something. Two weeks ago I saw a job posted on CareerLink, and I met their list of qualifications to a T, so I submitted my resume as requested. I never heard anything back, which I suppose isn't unusual, as the possibility certainly exists that they found someone else. But today, I see the job posted yet again. So my question is, why on earth would they completely ignore a qualified applicant like that?

Hard to say... I've read that HR will sometimes post a default/outdated set of requirements while the hiring manager will have additional/different requirements. I've read they'll post to job sites to meet internal guidelines even though they already have someone in mind (maybe it was originally set to post twice :shrug: ).

Getting through HR is the most important, yet seemingly most random and confusing part of the process, unless they're really good at their job and not completely swamped, so they will/can actually communicate.

BIG_DADDY
10-31-2012, 10:01 AM
I am not going to go through what has already been given to you but since I have over 200 resume's on my desk I can tell you what I personally like and dislike.

Cover Sheet: You can do more to make yourself stand out with a cover sheet than any other single area on your resume. A creative well thought out and written cover letter is highly recommended.

Objective: Should be to get the job I am offering not some random horseshit about using your vast array of skill sets in a great work enviroment. What this tells me is you are sending your resume out to as many positions as possible and screening them. You were never even really looking to work for my company in the position offered. This shows lack focas and or the fact that you are lazy.

Work History: This is especially important if you are younger. I want to see that you know how to work and you haven't been coddled your whole life because if you have you have literally zero chance of making it here. If you are older I want to see that you have held positions for a long time and don't bounce from job to job like a hooker on Friday night.

Charity work and sports: Charity work shows me that the applicant thinks about more than themself. Sports history especially at a higher level shows me discipline and effort without needing instant gratification.

Hope that helps

Bearcat
10-31-2012, 10:05 AM
Can you contact the company directly, without going through CareerLink? Maybe some wires got crossed.

Forgot to mention that... it's always a good idea to apply through their website if that option is available.

Also, they may not necessarily be ignoring your resume.. I've had companies call me a month or two later after seeing the job posted multiple times. You could always call or email them and ask.

Bearcat
10-31-2012, 10:36 AM
Objective: Should be to get the job I am offering not some random horseshit about using your vast array of skill sets in a great work enviroment. What this tells me is you are sending your resume out to as many positions as possible and screening them. You were never even really looking to work for my company in the position offered. This shows lack focas and or the fact that you are lazy.


Do you really even care about an objective? I've heard different things, but tend to agree with those who say it's pointless. Like you said, the objective is to work for the company you're applying for, and that should be explained in detail in the cover letter. I had a fairly generic one for a while and took it off. Just curious what those who look at resumes think about it...

Bugeater
10-31-2012, 10:39 AM
I am not going to go through what has already been given to you but since I have over 200 resume's on my desk I can tell you what I personally like and dislike.

Cover Sheet: You can do more to make yourself stand out with a cover sheet than any other single area on your resume. A creative well thought out and written cover letter is highly recommended.

Objective: Should be to get the job I am offering not some random horseshit about using your vast array of skill sets in a great work enviroment. What this tells me is you are sending your resume out to as many positions as possible and screening them. You were never even really looking to work for my company in the position offered. This shows lack focas and or the fact that you are lazy.

Work History: This is especially important if you are younger. I want to see that you know how to work and you haven't been coddled your whole life because if you have you have literally zero chance of making it here. If you are older I want to see that you have held positions for a long time and don't bounce from job to job like a hooker on Friday night.

Charity work and sports: Charity work shows me that the applicant thinks about more than themself. Sports history especially at a higher level shows me discipline and effort without needing instant gratification.

Hope that helps
One thing that concerns me is the fact that I was self-employed for 11 years and that part of my work history isn't really verifiable. How do you feel when you see self-employment on a resume?

Bugeater
10-31-2012, 10:41 AM
Forgot to mention that... it's always a good idea to apply through their website if that option is available.

Also, they may not necessarily be ignoring your resume.. I've had companies call me a month or two later after seeing the job posted multiple times. You could always call or email them and ask.
Yeah that was suggested elsewhere as well. I did find their website and emailed them asking them to confirm that they have received my resume. Haven't heard back yet so we'll see.

La literatura
10-31-2012, 10:51 AM
Do you really even care about an objective? I've heard different things, but tend to agree with those who say it's pointless. Like you said, the objective is to work for the company you're applying for, and that should be explained in detail in the cover letter. I had a fairly generic one for a while and took it off. Just curious what those who look at resumes think about it...

I've never seen an objective that wasn't just a generic statement of bullshit. There's no way anyone who hires people cares about those.

La literatura
10-31-2012, 10:53 AM
Here's a tip: don't include Who's Who on your resume because it shows lack of judgment twice.

Bugeater
10-31-2012, 11:06 AM
Oh, and one other question. Since the employer can ask me why I left my former job and if they can contact them, is it ok for me to ask them why the employee who used to hold the position left the company, and if it's ok if I contact said employee?

BIG_DADDY
10-31-2012, 06:21 PM
Do you really even care about an objective? I've heard different things, but tend to agree with those who say it's pointless. Like you said, the objective is to work for the company you're applying for, and that should be explained in detail in the cover letter. I had a fairly generic one for a while and took it off. Just curious what those who look at resumes think about it...

It's funny, it's one of those things you don't notice if it is not there. If it is there a gerneral BS one is a small mark against that candidate to me. If they are focased with the intent to work for me it is a small plus. It is not a big deal though. Leave it off or be focased would be my advise.

BIG_DADDY
10-31-2012, 06:32 PM
One thing that concerns me is the fact that I was self-employed for 11 years and that part of my work history isn't really verifiable. How do you feel when you see self-employment on a resume?

I'm good with that. It's much better than somebody working all over the place. In my business it will come down to having an unusual skill set. If they have it and are extremely motivated they will most likely get a shot.