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Chris Meck
12-02-2010, 11:34 AM
No, not yours. You're not in any kind of shape to be throwing deep outs.

What is it that YOU want to SEE from a QB that indicates excellence?

Personally, I've been pretty anti-Cassel until the last month or so, but I'm seeing signs of marked improvement. All the discussion about Matt's play and Peyton/Brady this and that made me curious as to what everyone's real markers are. Here are mine-

Statistically:
60% completion rate
2 to 1 or better TD/INT ratio
YPA (yards per attempt) needs to be in the mid 7.0's or better. (i.e. 7.5+)

Mentally:
I want to see good decisions. Not throwing into triple coverage.
Fast reads, decisiveness
Defensive recognition. directs traffic, audibles, is aware of pressure off the edge. shows pocket awareness.

Physically:
HITS RECEIVERS IN STRIDE. Must be accurate.
Can make all the throws you need to make in a game. I don't care if he can throw it 70 yards from his knee. Can he throw a deep out with a pass rusher in his face?
Can buy time in or out of the pocket, and can throw on the run.

Intangibles:
No quitters allowed. Must show heart.
should have obvious leadership qualities; team should rally around him.


I guess that's my list, off the top of my head. What's yours?

loochy
12-02-2010, 11:35 AM
Being named Matt Cassel.

Sofa King
12-02-2010, 11:35 AM
Superbowls

LaChapelle
12-02-2010, 11:35 AM
I must be able to wear his face as a codpiece with pride
Have you seen Tebow's nose

Rain Man
12-02-2010, 11:43 AM
Fast reads
Multiple reads
Strong arm
Ability to recognize defenses and audible
Pocket presence and ability to evade rush without scrambling
Good runner when opportunity presents itself
Respected team leader (or even feared team leader, but respected is better)
Recognizes game situations re: spiking, time outs, throwing checkdowns, etc.
Accurate, hits receivers in numbers and in stride
Good with passing speed, i.e., doesn't throw 100 mph ball at a guy 5 yards away
Good lead blocker when needed (that's for Trent and now for Matt)
Improves in pressure situations (or at least doesn't panic)


All of those = Hall of Fame. Most of those = good QB.

Earthling
12-02-2010, 11:49 AM
Consistantly winning.

Bane
12-02-2010, 11:50 AM
Getting Jamaal Charles more carries.

Chiefnj2
12-02-2010, 11:53 AM
Win. Play well in crunch time.

notorious
12-02-2010, 11:56 AM
Win. Play well in crunch time.

This.

salame
12-02-2010, 12:00 PM
nose tackling

Tuckdaddy
12-02-2010, 12:00 PM
Delivering the ball to the open man without getting sacked. That's it

TRR
12-02-2010, 12:10 PM
How many times has this thread been done?
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MahiMike
12-02-2010, 12:12 PM
Throw out the stats. Those are only as good as the receivers on the other end. Combine OL's ability to give him time + run game effectiveness, etc.

I measure a QB by body parts. He of course has to have a strong, accurate arm. He also has to have good eyes to see holes 40 yds away. His legs need to be agile enough to move him around in the pocket to get more time. But ahead of all that is his brain. It has to be able to decipher defenses, remember all his plays and hot reads. But it also needs to work at a speed above the defense. Of course, there's instinct that reigns over everything.

The only QB's I've seen have (most) all these qualities are Drew Brees and Ben Roethlisberger. Brady and Manning are pretty stiff but get away with it due their quick brains allowing them to get the ball out earlier than most. That SB between Ben and Warner was classic. They both took sacks but nobody slides around better in the pocket than Ben. BTW, I've seen some of these talents in Sanchez and McCoy.

I think Matt is getting close but he needs to work on his pocket movement. I think some of it goes back to the eyes. Peripheral vision is key.

Count Alex's Wins
12-02-2010, 12:12 PM
As many AFC Offensive Player of the Month awards as is humanly possible.

MahiMike
12-02-2010, 12:14 PM
As many AFC Offensive Player of the Month awards as is humanly possible.

Watching your posts is like looking at the odometer. 5 to go. Don't miss it.

WebGem
12-02-2010, 12:17 PM
As many AFC Offensive Player of the Month awards as is humanly possible.

ROFL

WebGem
12-02-2010, 12:18 PM
Watching your posts is like looking at the odometer. 5 to go. Don't miss it.

Whatever you do, don't adjust your television.

Chiefnj2
12-02-2010, 12:18 PM
The only QB's I've seen have (most) all these qualities are Drew Brees and Ben Roethlisberger. Brady and Manning are pretty stiff but get away with it due their quick brains allowing them to get the ball out earlier than most. .

The fact that the top 4 guys are so different is what makes it interesting, and tough to predict QB success. Even Brees' and Rothlisberger's ability to make plays out of the pocket are completely different. Brees avoids contact. Ben's size enables him to break free from people grabbing at him and he can throw well while being hit.

BigMeatballDave
12-02-2010, 12:22 PM
60% is good, but I'd prefer that number to be around 66.

Bewbies
12-02-2010, 12:27 PM
Remember when Trent Green was our QB and late in the 4th when we needed a score you KNEW we were gonna get it?

That.

My biggest issue with Cassel has been that when we needed a score, or a first down, you hoped he might not choke. That's a big difference.

Coogs
12-02-2010, 12:41 PM
Remember when Trent Green was our QB and late in the 4th when we needed a score you KNEW we were gonna get it?




That is the one part of Greens game that I felt was missing. Regardless of how bad the defense was, when we absolutely needed the offense to score, we usually came up short... even if the offense had already put up 35 points.

That is what I hope Cassel can do. Put the ball in a real tight space when the time on the clock absolutely demands it. That remains to be seen, but he is taking strides towards being able to do that.

Chief DJBrad
12-02-2010, 12:43 PM
4th quarter comebacks,winning,no injuries and ball on target.My biggest gripe with Cassel is over throwing a WIDE OPEN receiver.I like him but he has to make those throws and passes in stride.The next two games will tell us all we need to know!

Pawnmower
12-02-2010, 01:04 PM
Awesome war face

Running downfield to trow blox

Sexy singing / dancing

jbwm89
12-02-2010, 01:31 PM
My only qualification is that he can lead block half as well as Trent Green. Cassel has also showed improvement in this area.

Short Leash Hootie
12-02-2010, 01:43 PM
60% is good, but I'd prefer that number to be around 66.

and to be done with one eye closed without any offensive lineman or backs and to be throwing to two receivers with no arms

DeezNutz
12-02-2010, 01:46 PM
All about the "it." When the moments are the biggest and most pressure-filled, can he elevate his game and get the job done?

Short Leash Hootie
12-02-2010, 01:47 PM
like Tom Brady...leading his team against prevent defenses in Super Bowls on 20 yard drives so Vinatieri could nail 3 45+ yard field goals...

that's clutch!

loochy
12-02-2010, 01:49 PM
like Tom Brady...leading his team against prevent defenses in Super Bowls on 20 yard drives so Vinatieri could nail 3 45+ yard field goals...

that's clutch!

Don't forget the consistent checkdown passes that are considered brilliant when he does them.

WilliamTheIrish
12-02-2010, 01:50 PM
With the game on the line, does he the guile to look off a Safety to draw him away from the middle, and the ability to deliver that ball into the seam? Especially with pressure?

IMO, Matt Cassel doesn't throw that route/ball well at all. It's more of a paper airplane floater that makes every fan crack his/her knuckles or hold his/her breath while that particular throw is in the air.

loochy
12-02-2010, 01:51 PM
With the game on the line, does he the guile to look off a Safety to draw him away from the middle, and the ability to deliver that ball into the seam? Especially with pressure?

IMO, Matt Cassel doesn't throw that route/ball well at all. It's more of a paper airplane floater that makes every fan crack his/her knuckles or hold his/her breath while that particular throw is in the air.

The last few games he's really been whipping it in there though.

ChiefsCountry
12-02-2010, 01:53 PM
Win in January and I guess Feb now.
Be the "man" on the team ie the leader of the troops.
Have moxy.
Win against the best teams in the league during the regular season.
Cool in the clutch.

WilliamTheIrish
12-02-2010, 01:54 PM
The last few games he's really been whipping it in there though.

Yes he has. I cannot deny that.

This has just been my observation since he arrived. He struggles throwing that route. Seems unsure, very hesitant.