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petegz28
12-02-2010, 08:23 PM
We have seen it time and time again. Game after game. Play after play. Game threads are filled with pages of people (including myself) complaining about flags not being thrown for holding Tamba Hali.

So what is it we are missing or not understanding? What constitutes a hold and what is a legal block that apparently looks like holding to a lot of us here?

Are the Refs really turning a blind eye that often? Or are we as fans just not understanding the rules?

KCtotheSB
12-02-2010, 08:24 PM
Because of Josh McDaniels

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-02-2010, 08:25 PM
Go five posts outside of DC without bitching about the refs in some way, shape, or form.

Jesus Christ.

petegz28
12-02-2010, 08:26 PM
Because of Josh McDaniels

That fuckin' bastage!!! :grr:

petegz28
12-02-2010, 08:27 PM
Go five posts outside of DC without bitching about the refs in some way, shape, or form.

Jesus Christ.

I'm not bitching, I am asking. I want to know what it is that keeps the flag in their pocket? If they aren't holds explain what it is I and others are misinterpreting?

jd1020
12-02-2010, 08:30 PM
Dont you think you are asking the wrong people?

petegz28
12-02-2010, 08:32 PM
Dont you think you are asking the wrong people?

Probably. But I figured some football genius on here would have an answer.

crazycoffey
12-02-2010, 08:33 PM
no answer, bad refs...

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-02-2010, 08:36 PM
We have seen it time and time again. Game after game. Play after play. Game threads are filled with pages of people (including myself) complaining about flags not being thrown for holding Tamba Hali.

So what is it we are missing or not understanding? What constitutes a hold and what is a legal block that apparently looks like holding to a lot of us here?

Are the Refs really turning a blind eye that often? Or are we as fans just not understanding the rules?

You can grab and engage a rusher as long as it is inside his pads (unwritten rule). You can't wrap your arm around his neck, and you can't grab and pull him down anywhere. If he's getting bulldogged by a LT, it should be a flag, and it's being missed.

petegz28
12-02-2010, 08:39 PM
You can grab and engage a rusher as long as it is inside his pads (unwritten rule). You can't wrap your arm around his neck, and you can't grab and pull him down anywhere. If he's getting bulldogged by a LT, it should be a flag, and it's being missed.

Ok, so you are saying then when we see a O-lineman with his arm around Hali's chest or up around his neck that should be called holding?

Bugeater
12-02-2010, 08:40 PM
I think Dan Beebe is behind it.

Consistent1
12-02-2010, 08:58 PM
All good pass rushers are held all time. There isn't a conspiracy against Hali.

Old Dog
12-02-2010, 09:01 PM
All good pass rushers are held all time. There isn't a conspiracy against Hali.

This. Watch any NFL game. It's ALL about making sure the QB doesn't get hurt.

Paniero
12-02-2010, 09:04 PM
It's all part of Buddy Biancalana's master plan for KC to celebrate another championship on the 25th anniversary of the last one. Hali learns from the holds, and beast mode is on the last 8 games of this year.

jidar
12-02-2010, 09:26 PM
It's how holding in the NFL is called. Every speedy pass rusher gets held the same way Hali does. You wont find it in a rulebook, it's just a judgment call and a feel thing.

petegz28
12-02-2010, 09:30 PM
It's how holding in the NFL is called. Every speedy pass rusher gets held the same way Hali does. You wont find it in a rulebook, it's just a judgment call and a feel thing.

I guess I just don't pay attention as much when watching other teams.

GloryDayz
12-02-2010, 09:32 PM
Probably. But I figured some football genius on here would have an answer.

Simple,it's about high scoring games. That's why the D can't lead with a helmet, but any running back can. That's why the D can't touch a face mask, but a running back can. It's why the NFL goes to any length to protect QBs, but really doesn't worry all that much about anybody on the line. They want to protect players, but they won't outlaw the very crossing routes that get them killed. They won't counter "protecting" QBs by saying they also can't run. But if they do, you can't hit them hard. Fair? You have to be a fool to think the game isn't geared toward the offensive side of the ball. But who wants to see a 7-3 game more often than not? Me... But let's ask why a Defensive PI call can can be a 10, 20, 30, he11 a 60 yard penalty; but what is a Offensive PI?

Back to Hali; why do they (the NFL and their hired goons named the officials) care about him? They don't! He's not a superstar yet. When he is, and he's getting closer, they will. I should say, when he is in their minds...

But he also has to be a lot more vocal with the officials and stop taking the high road. Cry like Manning... Don't be disrespectful, but talk to them plenty, then ask you coach to back you up with a tape sent to the NFL on Monday.

But don't get me started, I'll give you my opinion...

Bugeater
12-02-2010, 10:00 PM
Simple,it's about high scoring games. That's why the D can't lead with a helmet, but any running back can. That's why the D can't touch a face mask, but a running back can. It's why the NFL goes to any length to protect QBs, but really doesn't worry all that much about anybody on the line. They want to protect players, but they won't outlaw the very crossing routes that get them killed. They won't counter "protecting" QBs by saying they also can't run. But if they do, you can't hit them hard. Fair? You have to be a fool to think the game isn't geared toward the offensive side of the ball. But who wants to see a 7-3 game more often than not? Me... But let's ask why a Defensive PI call can can be a 10, 20, 30, he11 a 60 yard penalty; but what is a Offensive PI?

And you can thank the popularity of fantasy football for all of that.

CoMoChief
12-02-2010, 10:06 PM
We have seen it time and time again. Game after game. Play after play. Game threads are filled with pages of people (including myself) complaining about flags not being thrown for holding Tamba Hali.

So what is it we are missing or not understanding? What constitutes a hold and what is a legal block that apparently looks like holding to a lot of us here?

Are the Refs really turning a blind eye that often? Or are we as fans just not understanding the rules?

The refs are racist....plain and simple.

CoMoChief
12-02-2010, 10:07 PM
And you can thank the popularity of fantasy football for all of that.

I don't think that really has anything to do w/ it.

Groves
12-02-2010, 10:19 PM
Why don't they just go ahead and allow holding in some forms, by rule.

Bugeater
12-02-2010, 10:19 PM
I don't think that really has anything to do w/ it.
You really think a game, based almost entirely on offensive statistics, whose popularity has exponentially increased interest in the NFL over the past decade, has nothing to do with those rule changes? You must not have a clue.

Ugly Duck
12-02-2010, 10:53 PM
I guess I just don't pay attention as much when watching other teams.

We all see own own guys getting held. The other guys... not so much...

DaneMcCloud
12-02-2010, 11:17 PM
Holding won't be called unless a defensive player is tackled or pushed to the ground in clear view of a ref.

Get over it.

DaneMcCloud
12-02-2010, 11:17 PM
I guess I just don't pay attention to life in general.

Yep.

Rudy lost the toss
12-02-2010, 11:22 PM
Yeah....The complaining on this issue has been a bit much.

petegz28
12-02-2010, 11:26 PM
Yep.

Glad to see you too, sunshine.