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Sully
12-05-2010, 03:49 PM
I reluctantly post the third installment, as Cassel resorted to some of the pre-3rd q problems in this game. But he had more clutch throws than boneheaded plays, and was effective even though his favorite target was blanketed.
So, good job, Matt. Big one next week.
Midnight rule.

KCrockaholic
12-05-2010, 03:50 PM
He wasn't as sharp today. But only having 10 points wasn't his fault. Not entirely.

AndChiefs
12-05-2010, 03:51 PM
I'm still no Cassel supporter but he did fine. Not his fault either way.

Micjones
12-05-2010, 03:51 PM
Cassel was able to make some positive things happen on a day where Bowe was taken away entirely by Champ Bailey. He made some good throws.

siberian khatru
12-05-2010, 03:51 PM
He wasn't the problem today.

BigMeatballDave
12-05-2010, 03:52 PM
Not bad. He didnt try to force anything to Bowe and risk the INT.

chiefzilla1501
12-05-2010, 03:54 PM
Still seeing significant growth. A lot of plays where I saw him legitimately root through his progressions. I think he's starting to become a decent QB.

One thing that bothered me is that he seemed to me to be rattled by the offensive mistakes. Not something I want to see out of my QB. But yeah, today there were lots of stupid mistakes on offense that made his job a lot harder to win than he should have.

Sully
12-05-2010, 03:54 PM
He wasn't as sharp today. But only having 10 points wasn't his fault. Not entirely.

I agree.
Colts game, Texans game, First Raiders game, and first Broncos game he left many plays on the field that could've changed things. He did so in wins, as well.
But for the third game straight, I didn't see any of that. Even the boneheaded sack, best case, would've just been a 4th down and shorter.

Sully
12-05-2010, 03:54 PM
He wasn't the problem today.

Agreed

Deberg_1990
12-05-2010, 03:55 PM
Even the boneheaded sack, best case, would've just been a 4th down and shorter.

We should have kicked the FG there..

Sully
12-05-2010, 03:57 PM
Still seeing significant growth. A lot of plays where I saw him legitimately root through his progressions. I think he's starting to become a decent QB.

One thing that bothered me is that he seemed to me to be rattled by the offensive mistakes. Not something I want to see out of my QB. But yeah, today there were lots of stupid mistakes on offense that made his job a lot harder to win than he should have.

I'm not going to nit pick in this thread, but I have an issue with his reactions of negative things. But I don't want to belabor in the very little bad today, so I'll leave it...

DeezNutz
12-05-2010, 03:57 PM
Overall, he played fine, and this is improvement. But he deserves serious criticism for not managing the game well on the penultimate drive.

Sully
12-05-2010, 03:57 PM
We should have kicked the FG there..

I don't have a huge problem with going for it.
It's who this team is.

DeezNutz
12-05-2010, 03:58 PM
I don't have a huge problem with going for it.
It's who this team is.

Then you go for it on 4th and 5 at the Denver 35 earlier in the game.

Sully
12-05-2010, 04:00 PM
Overall, he played fine, and this is improvement. But he deserves serious criticism for not managing the game well on the penultimate drive.

Not a perfect game.
But I look at it this way...

Because when I look at the big picture, I'm used to being disappointed with his play, and tend toward no benefit of the doubt, it's only fair in my strange mind to extend that benefit of the doubt after the past two games. He's earned a bit.

mlyonsd
12-05-2010, 04:04 PM
Cassel did what he had to today to win. Props for him.

He overcame our D dropping INT's and terrible coaching decisions.

DeezNutz
12-05-2010, 04:05 PM
Cassel did what he had to today to win. Props for him.

He overcame our D dropping INT's and terrible coaching decisions.

What? Seriously?

The defense was the reason we won today, not something that anyone had to "overcome."

KCrockaholic
12-05-2010, 04:06 PM
I didn't like the inaccuracy of the Bowe pass on the sidelines though.

DeezNutz
12-05-2010, 04:06 PM
I'd like to applaud the D for bailing us out when Brokaki took 7 off the board, DMC fumbled the ball, Cassel fucked up the penultimate drive, etc.

SNR
12-05-2010, 04:08 PM
Did a fine job getting us that field goal at the end of the 2nd quarter. Turns out those were 3 CRUCIAL points.

He's gotta keep improving though. Still not there yet.

DeezNutz
12-05-2010, 04:10 PM
Did a fine job getting us that field goal at the end of the 2nd quarter. Turns out those were 3 CRUCIAL points.

He's gotta keep improving though. Still not there yet.

Yes.

And he started off the game with three horrible throws but didn't allow them to establish the tone of his game. I don't think '09 Cassel would have been capable of this.

the Talking Can
12-05-2010, 04:16 PM
excellent the first half...the drive before halftime was crucial and clutch


i personally thought he wilted in the 2nd half...but we won so whatever, i don't want fake mma guy showing up to threaten my life again....

mlyonsd
12-05-2010, 04:18 PM
What? Seriously?

The defense was the reason we won today, not something that anyone had to "overcome."

Coaching and offensive penalties.

mlyonsd
12-05-2010, 04:21 PM
I'd like to applaud the D for bailing us out when Brokaki took 7 off the board, DMC fumbled the ball, Cassel ****ed up the penultimate drive, etc.
I see you figured out your own question.

DeezNutz
12-05-2010, 04:27 PM
I see you figured out your own question.

Right on. My bad.

cdcox
12-05-2010, 04:30 PM
He played well enough to win today. But if this was his typical or average game, I would want to do another direction. If this were to be one of the bottom 1/4 of his games, then I would be okay with it.

FRCDFED
12-05-2010, 04:31 PM
What? Seriously?

The defense was the reason we won today, not something that anyone had to "overcome."This! He did nothing worthy of having a positive thread to be started in his name. Giving him any praise for this game is undeserved. Minimal or otherwise!

Sully
12-05-2010, 04:35 PM
He played well enough to win today. But if this was his typical or average game, I would want to do another direction. If this were to be one of the bottom 1/4 of his games, then I would be okay with it.

I agree.

Saul Good
12-05-2010, 04:39 PM
Then you go for it on 4th and 5 at the Denver 35 earlier in the game.

If the strategy was to gamble and be aggressive, yes. If the strategy was to bury the Broncos deep all day, Haley's choices were consistent. I'm not sure if that was his strategy or if he just kind of flies by the seat of his pants.

tk13
12-05-2010, 04:41 PM
It's one of those days. If a couple of those penalties don't happen we score 24+ points and we're probably looking at a successful offensive day overall.

DeezNutz
12-05-2010, 04:42 PM
If the strategy was to gamble and be aggressive, yes. If the strategy was to bury the Broncos deep all day, Haley's choices were consistent. I'm not sure if that was his strategy or if he just kind of flies by the seat of his pants.

Fair enough.

Punting from inside an opponent's 40 is one of my absolute least favorite coaching decisions made in the NFL.

Reaper16
12-05-2010, 04:43 PM
Cassel was fine today. He had a few glaring mistakes but overall played alright. W/o all the penalties that his teammates committed he would have have a much more "impressive" performance.

CoMoChief
12-05-2010, 04:48 PM
Then you go for it on 4th and 5 at the Denver 35 earlier in the game.

4th and 5 is different than 4th and 2

Frankie
12-05-2010, 04:51 PM
what was Cassel's passer rating today?

Reaper16
12-05-2010, 04:55 PM
what was Cassel's passer rating today?
84.9

cdcox
12-05-2010, 04:55 PM
According to "the chart" developed by AdvancedNFLStats.com he should have gone for it on 4th and 5 from the 33. It looks like the 4th and goal from the 2 was on the border and could be called either way.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2618/3688516023_07450826e5_o.png


http://www.advancednflstats.com/2009/09/4th-down-study-part-4.html

DeezNutz
12-05-2010, 04:59 PM
DeezNutz: owning (because he remembered the statistical analysis previously posted by cdcox and DaFace)

jd1020
12-05-2010, 05:00 PM
We should have kicked the FG there..

Haley is going to lose the Chiefs a very important game one of these days because of his ego. I almost turned the game off when he went for it in that situation. I just had that feeling when the Broncos sacked Cassel that they were going to come back and steal the game. No reason to go for it when you are up by 7 already... make it a 2 score game.

Sully
12-05-2010, 05:04 PM
Haley is going to lose the Chiefs a very important game one of these days because of his ego. I almost turned the game off when he went for it in that situation. I just had that feeling when the Broncos sacked Cassel that they were going to come back and steal the game. No reason to go for it when you are up by 7 already... make it a 2 score game.

If the percentages hold, he'll give us far more opportunities for wins with his 4th down strategies.
But yes, there will be a game or two here and there where we'll have gone for it in FG range, and lose by less than three.
But I don't think it's ego, at all.

cdcox
12-05-2010, 05:04 PM
By going for it, Haley is saying that he expects his QB and the rest of the team to make plays in crucial situations. I think that is a reasonable and healthy expectation.

WilliamTheIrish
12-05-2010, 05:10 PM
Stepping on our own dicks on nearly every big play stopped this offense. Remember early in the season when we would just miss on a big play due to a pick or dropped pass?

Same thing today only it was penalties that snuffed out the biggest plays of the day. Easily could have put up 24 today.

jd1020
12-05-2010, 05:13 PM
By going for it, Haley is saying that he expects his QB and the rest of the team to make plays in crucial situations. I think that is a reasonable and healthy expectation.

When you go for it at the 2 when you are already up by 7, late, it is most certainly ego.

Frankie
12-05-2010, 05:14 PM
84.9

thx

cdcox
12-05-2010, 05:16 PM
When you go for it at the 2 when you are already up by 7, late, it is most certainly ego.

It was the first drive of the 2nd half against a team that put up 49 against us three weeks ago.

jd1020
12-05-2010, 05:18 PM
It was the first drive of the 2nd half against a team that put up 49 against us three weeks ago.

So the game 3 weeks ago is making an impact on Haley's play calling in a game thats a complete 180 from that game? Thanks for proving my point.

Sully
12-05-2010, 05:20 PM
So the game 3 weeks ago is making an impact on Haley's play calling in a game thats a complete 180 from that game? Thanks for proving my point.

Your point that the first drive of the second half is "late" in the game?

jd1020
12-05-2010, 05:22 PM
Your point that the first drive of the second half is "late" in the game?

So 3rd quarter isnt late? Gotchya.

Pitt Gorilla
12-05-2010, 05:26 PM
So 3rd quarter isnt late? Gotchya.First drive of the second half is NOT late.

jd1020
12-05-2010, 05:29 PM
Pretty easy to spin it by saying "1st drive of the second half." Too bad that "first drive" took damn near half of the 3rd quarter, 2 seconds short.

Sully
12-05-2010, 05:29 PM
So 3rd quarter isnt late? Gotchya.

No.

Sweet Daddy Hate
12-05-2010, 05:33 PM
Not a perfect game.
But I look at it this way...

Because when I look at the big picture, I'm used to being disappointed with his play, and tend toward no benefit of the doubt, it's only fair in my strange mind to extend that benefit of the doubt after the past two games. He's earned a bit.

Will he ever be great? Probably not. But it's becoming pretty obvious that we CAN win with him if the rest of the system is chugging along as it's supposed to.

To that end, give him the players/tools he needs to succeed, keep practicing the Patriot method of building for equal effectiveness from your 2nd string guys, and maybe, God-willing, we'll get our Manning/Brady/Brees/Whoever on the NEXT go around.
And if we do, he'll have a KILLER/no-filler team to support him as he grows.

Tribesman
12-05-2010, 06:17 PM
I reluctantly post the third installment, as Cassel resorted to some of the pre-3rd q problems in this game. But he had more clutch throws than boneheaded plays, and was effective even though his favorite target was blanketed.
So, good job, Matt. Big one next week.
Midnight rule.

Not only was Bowe limited by Bailey's coverage, but it appeared also that the pass protection was lacking quite a bit today. Didn't look like Matt had much time to throw on most passing plays IMO, especially in the 2nd half.