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notorious
12-21-2010, 01:19 PM
Post your questions/reviews on power tools here!

notorious
12-21-2010, 01:19 PM
It's time to get rid of the old Craftsman table saws and pick up a new jobsite saw.

If anyone has had experience with the tablesaws listed below, please let me know your pros/cons.


Here are my final 3:

Dewalt DW744 $589

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/fa/62/8399e03ae7a01f18738de110.L._AA300_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B0014GD3HQ/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_0?ie=UTF8&index=0


Bosch 4100-09 $549

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518tVaedTYL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-4100-09-10-Inch-Worksite-Gravity-Rise/dp/B000S5S5CW/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1292898938&sr=1-1


Ridgid R4510 $500

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/300/59/59efc1d3-e16f-466d-81b1-6889ed289451_300.jpg
http://www.amazon.com/Ridgid-R4510-Heavy-Duty-Portable-Table/dp/B001W0ZI9K/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1292899015&sr=1-1



Thanks for any feedback!

DMAC
12-21-2010, 01:20 PM
Hmmm, I choose that one.

Baconeater
12-21-2010, 01:21 PM
Hmmm, I choose that one.
That other one is way better you fucking dumbass.

DMAC
12-21-2010, 01:23 PM
That other one is way better you fucking dumbass.

That's the same one I'm pointing at, DUMBASS.

pr_capone
12-21-2010, 01:24 PM
Sorry Notorious... I thought you would actually get some help out here in the Lounge.

LMFAO

notorious
12-21-2010, 01:26 PM
Sorry Notorious... I thought you would actually get some help out here in the Lounge.

LMFAO


Screw it, I am getting some quality entertainment instead. LMAO

Phobia
12-21-2010, 01:29 PM
The Ridgid saw is a very, very good selection. I've had both a previous version of that Dewalt and the Ridgid. Ridgid all day long. The Bosch is also a quality tool but I don't think there's anything that really sets it apart from the Ridgid to justify the extra 10% cost.

Hog Farmer
12-21-2010, 01:31 PM
I don't have a Table saw but if I we're to choose one of those I'd go with Dewalt. I do have a 12" Dewalt miter saw and it does a wonderful job of making big pieces of wood in to smaller pieces.

Hog Farmer
12-21-2010, 01:31 PM
Ok, I changed my mind to Ridgid.

Sofa King
12-21-2010, 01:34 PM
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notorious
12-21-2010, 01:37 PM
The Ridgid saw is a very, very good selection. I've had both a previous version of that Dewalt and the Ridgid. Ridgid all day long. The Bosch is also a quality tool but I don't think there's anything that really sets it apart from the Ridgid to justify the extra 10% cost.

To be honest I have been leaning toward the Ridgid. It felt solid, the fence was smooth as butter and solid as a rock. The bevel dial/wheel gave me a chubby. The lifetime warranty helps, too.


I have used the Dewalt 744 and 745's at the jobsite to give them a test and I was impressed, but I was worried about transporting it. The fence looks like it would get destroyed while moving between jobsites. The owners (contractors) said that the rack and pinion had to be realigned often and the dust jammed up the inner workings quite a bit.


Bosch just makes good tools. According to the online reviews the Ridgid is a near clone to the Bosch for $50 less. I wish the Ridgid came with the gravity rise stand (even though the Ridgid has a decent stand already).

notorious
12-21-2010, 01:39 PM
I don't have a Table saw but if I we're to choose one of those I'd go with Dewalt. I do have a 12" Dewalt miter saw and it does a wonderful job of making big pieces of wood in to smaller pieces.

My 12" Dewalt Miter owns my 12" Ridgid. The Ridgid feels heavier/stronger, but the angle adjustment lock doesn't work very well. The Dewalt locks in rock-solid every time.

Phobia
12-21-2010, 01:42 PM
My 12" Dewalt Miter owns my 12" Ridgid. The Ridgid feels heavier/stronger, but the angle adjustment lock doesn't work very well. The Dewalt locks in rock-solid every time.

Yeah, I'd go Dewalt miter over Ridgid all day long.... unless I weren't a Makita miter saw fan. But table saws are different.

Hey, I think the latest version of the Ridgid saw does have that gravity stand thing - maybe. But, the old stand on my saw has been spectacular for 5 years so who needs a gravity option?

Hog Farmer
12-21-2010, 01:43 PM
My 12" Dewalt Miter owns my 12" Ridgid. The Ridgid feels heavier/stronger, but the angle adjustment lock doesn't work very well. The Dewalt locks in rock-solid every time.

I'd sure take that into consideration then. In your business you need the cuts precise. So I'm changing my mind back to Dewalt.

Hog Farmer
12-21-2010, 01:45 PM
Yeah, I'd go Dewalt miter over Ridgid all day long.... unless I weren't a Makita miter saw fan. But table saws are different.

Hey, I think the latest version of the Ridgid saw does have that gravity stand thing - maybe. But, the old stand on my saw has been spectacular for 5 years so who needs a gravity option?


Oh , well, that changes things then. I change my mind again. I'm going with Ridgid

notorious
12-21-2010, 01:47 PM
Hey, I think the latest version of the Ridgid saw does have that gravity stand thing - maybe. But, the old stand on my saw has been spectacular for 5 years so who needs a gravity option?


I work hard now so that I can be lazy later. The Gravity Rise stand was made for me.

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I think the Ridgid takes a slightly different approach to the Bosch stand. I need to demo it at HD to see what how nice it is.

Phobia
12-21-2010, 01:52 PM
Yes, Ridgid does offer an updated stand but I was always happy with my old one. http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100090444&N=10000003+90401+502949

DMAC
12-21-2010, 01:54 PM
This thread has lost its burst.

notorious
12-21-2010, 01:59 PM
Yes, Ridgid does offer an updated stand but I was always happy with my old one. http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100090444&N=10000003+90401+502949

You are right. It looks like it functions the same way.

notorious
12-21-2010, 02:13 PM
Here is my review of a fairly unique tool:

Craftsman Mini Circular Saw

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21GWcGelbyL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Craftsman-Mini-Circular-Saw/dp/B001C8WCMI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1292962572&sr=8-1

Pros: Portability, very easy to set cutting depth, minimal saw dust, laser alignment works VERY well, enough power to cut through 3/4" oak flooring, can be used in tight spaces, cheap price ($79 on special)


Cons: Blades are $$$, must give it cool down time between cuts (I smoked my first one from overworking it), kickback can be a bitch so caution must be taken.


I find the tool almost indespensable when installing patterns/borders/frames into floors. Excellent addition for anyone from entry level to pro builders.


4 out of 5 stars due to it's durability if over stressed.

Brock
12-21-2010, 02:17 PM
Dewalt 18v drill/driver. Badass.

Phobia
12-21-2010, 02:27 PM
Dewalt 18v drill/driver. Badass.

As long as yours is 3-4 years old. They're going downhill fast. I've already bought a small Ridgid kit and future cordless tool purchases will be Ridgid. If I didn't already have several thousand invested in Dewalt cordless tools, I'd switch immediately. Ridgid's offering of an angled, battery-powered finish nailer cemented my decision to switch over time. I love, love, love my Dewalt 18V finish nailer.

Will also never buy a cordless circular saw again. It's just not convenient enough to justify expensive 6.5" blades and poor cuts per charge. I'd rather just plug in my circular saw and go.

Also, in terms of portability and space in the tool-bag, I've invested into Milwaukee 12V technology. Love those little guys and now they offer a larger battery.

ChiefsNow
12-21-2010, 02:27 PM
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Phobia
12-21-2010, 02:30 PM
He's an awesome thumb actor.

notorious
12-21-2010, 02:53 PM
I am tired pulling out my air compressor every time I need to fire a finish nail. I was looking at the Paslode cordless, but the Dewalt Battery op finish nailer has caught my attention recently.


Thank again Phobia. I will probably have a clone set of your tools in my trailer if this keeps up.

mikeyis4dcats.
12-21-2010, 03:01 PM
Today Only - 20% Off DEWALT Tools At Lowes With Promo Code Dewalt20 at checkout

ChiefsNow
12-21-2010, 03:16 PM
He's an awesome thumb actor.

It would have been better if the thumb crawled away before he got back.

ReynardMuldrake
12-21-2010, 03:26 PM
As long as yours is 3-4 years old. They're going downhill fast. I've already bought a small Ridgid kit and future cordless tool purchases will be Ridgid. If I didn't already have several thousand invested in Dewalt cordless tools, I'd switch immediately. Ridgid's offering of an angled, battery-powered finish nailer cemented my decision to switch over time. I love, love, love my Dewalt 18V finish nailer.


What's wrong with the new Dewalts? I just got a cordless drill last year.

notorious
12-21-2010, 03:54 PM
Today Only - 20% Off DEWALT Tools At Lowes With Promo Code Dewalt20 at checkout

Just tried it.


DEWALT20 in caps.

Nice work mikey. Replicious

aturnis
12-21-2010, 05:57 PM
What's wrong with the new Dewalts? I just got a cordless drill last year.

Nothing if you're using it at home. He might be saying, that on a construction site it might burn up quick. Constant and heavy use and abuse. Especially on a commercial site. When you don't own 'em, ya drive it like ya stole it...b/c it's gotta get done.

aturnis
12-21-2010, 06:07 PM
As for the OP, some serious woodworkers LOVE Ridgid tools. From the hybrid table saw, to the jointers, planer, bandsaw, router. They love it all. Personally been looking into this guy here... SAW (http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xhs/R-202500206/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053) a hybrid table saw. Rate very high for a GREAT price. Probably not quite what you're looking for though, lacking portability and all...

Bwana
12-21-2010, 06:10 PM
http://www.thenorthendzone.com/images/stories/tim_taylor.jpg

notorious
12-21-2010, 07:59 PM
As for the OP, some serious woodworkers LOVE Ridgid tools. From the hybrid table saw, to the jointers, planer, bandsaw, router. They love it all. Personally been looking into this guy here... SAW (http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xhs/R-202500206/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053) a hybrid table saw. Rate very high for a GREAT price. Probably not quite what you're looking for though, lacking portability and all...

This?

http://www.ridgid.com/assets/thumbnail.asp?path=/ASSETS/628CA63BC3F54912B4593C2236F0C2C0/R4511_1_Final.jpg&key={A2B43DDA-9763-45CD-A630-E3F6E24F4951}


They are very nice. Excellent fence and ruler flat table. The wheel system is very nice for scooting it around, too.

It is a little over-kill for wood flooring, though. Heavy as hell, too.

mlyonsd
12-21-2010, 08:13 PM
Anybody use a Jawhorse?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41V97vG4I0L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Phobia
12-21-2010, 08:53 PM
Anybody use a Jawhorse?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41V97vG4I0L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

It's on my Christmas list. Ridgid equivalent is crap. Really wish I had bought a couple of the Jawhorses when they came out at $99. Now best price is $179.

Phobia
12-21-2010, 08:56 PM
What's wrong with the new Dewalts? I just got a cordless drill last year.

Black & Decker has really brought the quality down. Lots of plastic inside and lots of burnouts. I used to get several years out of any Dewalt drill now I'm burning up impact drivers 2-3 per year. Plus with the price of batteries and their service rebuild, it makes more sense to just buy another one than rebuild.

jspchief
12-21-2010, 09:02 PM
I have the old Ridgid 3612 in my shop and have been very happy with it. It's a contractors saw, not a jobsite saw so I can't comment on the specifics of the model you're looking at. Just saying, I've been happy with my ridgid.

cdcox
12-21-2010, 09:03 PM
This?

http://www.ridgid.com/assets/thumbnail.asp?path=/ASSETS/628CA63BC3F54912B4593C2236F0C2C0/R4511_1_Final.jpg&key={A2B43DDA-9763-45CD-A630-E3F6E24F4951}


They are very nice. Excellent fence and ruler flat table. The wheel system is very nice for scooting it around, too.

It is a little over-kill for wood flooring, though. Heavy as hell, too.

I have the previous model of that saw before they went to the granite top. Mine is cast iron. :thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb:

booger
12-21-2010, 09:45 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-2691-22-18-Volt-Compact-Impact/dp/B001F7BIMG/ref=sr_1_1?s=power-hand-tools&ie=UTF8&qid=1292988807&sr=1-1

bought this drill a couple years ago for the same price but at sears and without the driver but 2 batteries and charger. probably gonna get the sawzal and impact driver from one of the bar tool only sites in the future. Did pick up a flashlight as tool only to help keep using the batteries as i don't use it as much, not daily like those of you that work construction. I had a thread on here before i bought that drill and was impressed with what was being said about rigid at that time and looks like the same folks are still happy with their product.
I'll definatley keep them in mind for future purchases.

http://www.toolup.com/ridgid_26092_1224-pipe-threading-machine-stand-box-sold-seperately.aspx

Obviously not something one would have as much use for in their garage but i used one of these when i worked in manufacturing a hand full of years ago. Tough durable smooth running machine. Probably an older version of this one.

notorious
12-21-2010, 09:53 PM
Milwaukee makes very good tools when it comes to Recips, Routers, and drills IMO.


My father gave me a Milwaukee Router 9 years ago and it has been excellent. Ton of power and the slide/plunger works really smooth.


It makes me want to destroy my cheap-o Craftsman router/table combo sometimes.

booger
12-21-2010, 10:00 PM
yep, spendy though.

just depends on the tool itself and how often you use it to justify the cost and also not buy a cheap piece of junk.

nothing ticks me off more than a great looking piece of equipment you spent hard earned money on that craps out because of some small plastic piece used by engineers to cut manufacturing cost.

one of the main reasons i bought a used snowblower last winter. went to a dealer to look at new ones and bought someone's trade in. sob is a tank all metal. half the price of used too.

notorious
12-21-2010, 10:05 PM
Craftsman 3 Gallon Air Compressor

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/219EGa1TbWL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_009C0422000B?prdNo=16&blockNo=16&blockType=G16

Price I paid: $69 (December 2009)
$89 (December 2010)


Pros : Highly portable, cycles from 0 PSI to 125 PSI in less then 30 seconds, quiet


Cons : Must lubricate, not very stable during transportation (top heavy)


I own two of these. The first one tipped over in my trailer, and when I cycled it on at the jobsite it locked up due having no oil. Evidently the compressor leaks when it falls on it's side. Repair was easy. I use the old one as a portable air bomb and the new one in my wood floor business.

4/5 stars -1 star due to damn lubrication!

Buehler445
12-22-2010, 12:18 AM
Black & Decker has really brought the quality down. Lots of plastic inside and lots of burnouts. I used to get several years out of any Dewalt drill now I'm burning up impact drivers 2-3 per year. Plus with the price of batteries and their service rebuild, it makes more sense to just buy another one than rebuild.

Black and Decker owns DeWalt? Is that what I'm hearing?

Buehler445
12-22-2010, 12:21 AM
http://www.ncaircompressors.com/Images/Gas%20Powered/PUK8008GE.jpg

Picked up this for agricultural use. It probably has too big of pump, not enough storage for contracting type use, but good overall unit. I love Honda motors.

It doesn't perform as well as the salesmen will tell you (too good to be true), but does really well operating out of the back of a pickup.

Pushead2
12-22-2010, 01:28 AM
Milwaukee makes very good tools when it comes to Recips, Routers, and drills IMO.


My father gave me a Milwaukee Router 9 years ago and it has been excellent. Ton of power and the slide/plunger works really smooth.


It makes me want to destroy my cheap-o Craftsman router/table combo sometimes.

yeah, I've got a Milwaukee set now that is going 7+ years no problem. The first 3 or 4 years of it's life is when I did office furniture installation, so it was used a lot. I'll be a fan of theirs for years to come because of this.

Phobia
12-22-2010, 02:54 AM
Black and Decker owns DeWalt? Is that what I'm hearing?

Dewalt, Porter Cable, Delta - yeah.

mlyonsd
12-22-2010, 08:46 AM
It's on my Christmas list. Ridgid equivalent is crap. Really wish I had bought a couple of the Jawhorses when they came out at $99. Now best price is $179.

Have you ever used one or know anyone that uses one? They look pretty useful to me. I was wondering how sturdy they were under weight.

Extra Point
12-22-2010, 10:10 AM
Sawzall used to be my favorite tool, but the Dremel Multi-Max is now. The Multi-Max is great with the grout blade for cutting Hardi-Board on a dormer. (Fixed a contractor ****up, wherein they bottomed the panels onto the flashing, rather than leaving a gap.)

Milwaukee AC Drywall screw gun is great. 8-year-old DeWalt hammer drill is, too. Only own a couple cheap-ass B&D DC drills, since I don't do anything outside the home.

Worse tool is a ShopVac-- cord storage hooks are next to the extension tube storage.

notorious
12-22-2010, 11:40 AM
Fein Supercut

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517dUz5E3YL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Fein-FSC-2-0-CK-SuperCut-Carpenter/dp/B0011ACSEO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1293039389&sr=8-1

Price Paid : $675 (2005 older version)


Pros : Amazing tool, makes special cuts that are otherwise impossible, powerful, runs all day without any worry of overworking it, nice carry case and extra-long cord (10-12ft)

Cons : Expensive, expensive, expensive, blades are expensive, VERY LOUD, did I mention it is expensive?


5/5 Stars Unbeatable Product from the Germans

notorious
12-22-2010, 11:49 AM
Craftsman Cordless Multitool

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21IPcmQZplL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00917438000P?prdNo=2&blockNo=2&blockType=G2

Price Paid : $79 in 2008
Price for refurb currently at Sears : $49


Pros : Makes cuts that no other type of tool can make, cordless, blade attachements are cheap, initial cost for unit is cheap, Sears product


Cons : Duty time is short, battery doesn't stay locked in during vibration (while it's on, in other words), plastic construction


3/ 5 Stars - Battery problem makes me want to drown kittens.

Extra Point
12-22-2010, 07:05 PM
Craftsman Cordless Multitool

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21IPcmQZplL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00917438000P?prdNo=2&blockNo=2&blockType=G2

Price Paid : $79 in 2008
Price for refurb currently at Sears : $49


Pros : Makes cuts that no other type of tool can make, cordless, blade attachements are cheap, initial cost for unit is cheap, Sears product


Cons : Duty time is short, battery doesn't stay locked in during vibration (while it's on, in other words), plastic construction


3/ 5 Stars - Battery problem makes me want to drown kittens.

The efficacy of the oscillating tool is predicated on its repeatabiliity during its use cycle; the A/C version of such a tool gives you high starting torque, and decent predictibility through its speed setting. For the $99+tx spent on the Dremel tool at H-D, it's the best value tool for the technology.

BushyTheBeaver
12-22-2010, 07:36 PM
Classic scene...hit man buying a nail gun.

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notorious
12-22-2010, 08:03 PM
The efficacy of the oscillating tool is predicated on its repeatabiliity during its use cycle; the A/C version of such a tool gives you high starting torque, and decent predictibility through its speed setting. For the $99+tx spent on the Dremel tool at H-D, it's the best value tool for the technology.

That's why I use the Fein 95% of the time. Too bad it was the only tool of it's kind when I bought it. (They must have had exclusive patent).

ChiefsNow
12-24-2010, 06:26 PM
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notorious
12-24-2010, 08:05 PM
I went on a mild spending spree with the Lowes sale. 12" Dewalt Sliding Compound Miter Saw (Free Stand) and a Dewalt DW744X (Crappy Stand Included) for under $900. The Sliding Miter saw normally sales for over $600 by itself, and with the stand included I got an $800 value for $480. The table saw was $475 and I got it for $380.


Not the Ridgid table saw I wanted, but when they come on sale I will probably buy one up and find a new owner for the Dewalt.


$1300 worth of tools for <$900. Not too shabby. :)

johnny961
12-24-2010, 08:21 PM
I went on a mild spending spree with the Lowes sale. 12" Dewalt Sliding Compound Miter Saw (Free Stand) and a Dewalt DW744X (Crappy Stand Included) for under $900. The Sliding Miter saw normally sales for over $600 by itself, and with the stand included I got an $800 value for $480. The table saw was $475 and I got it for $380.


Not the Ridgid table saw I wanted, but when they come on sale I will probably buy one up and find a new owner for the Dewalt.


$1300 worth of tools for <$900. Not too shabby. :)

Thats a hell of a deal for that miter saw and stand. I was looking hard at it some time back but decided to go with the ridgid. I would've been all over that dewalt had it been on sale when I bought mine.

notorious
12-24-2010, 09:30 PM
Thats a hell of a deal for that miter saw and stand. I was looking hard at it some time back but decided to go with the ridgid. I would've been all over that dewalt had it been on sale when I bought mine.

I was holding out for a 10" Mikita or Bosch, but that deal was too good to pass up.


I checked out the Ridgid at HD, and the first thought that entered my head was,"Holy s%$#, that is a HUGE saw!" It is a good selection, though.

johnny961
12-24-2010, 11:55 PM
I was holding out for a 10" Mikita or Bosch, but that deal was too good to pass up.


I checked out the Ridgid at HD, and the first thought that entered my head was,"Hoy s%$#, that is a HUGE saw!" It is a good selection, though.

Yeah it has been a good saw. You are right about its size though, which I would think would be a major drawback on a jobsite where it got moved alot. I don't move mine much but when I've had to its kind of a PITA.

On a different note, I noticed you and some other posters talking about cordless stuff. Anybody have any experience with Milwaukees M18 lineup? Where I work we just got a cutoff grinder and a portable bandsaw in this lineup about a month ago and they seem to work well. We haven't had them long enough to judge long term durability but so far looks good. I was wondering about their drills, sawzalls, and circular saws in this line. HD has a 4 pc M18 kit on closeout for around $100 off. I'm toying with the idea of one of these kits for around the house. Any takes on this line?

Phobia
12-25-2010, 02:37 AM
Don't have any experience in the M18 line but I like my little M12s. Bought them to be able to throw into the toolkit and also have the deep scanner and in-wall camera.

I can get one of those Ridgid table saws for $400 if that's sale enough for you, Notorious.

notorious
12-29-2010, 09:10 PM
Great day today.


Went to Hutch to pick up my tools at Lowes, but decided to stop at Home Depot to look at the Ridgid one last time.


One of the managers found out I was there to pick up my tools at Lowes and gave me a pretty good price on the Ridgid. I made a deal for the Ridgid and got a refund for the Dewalt DW744X (before even picking it up) at Lowes. Sweetness!

The HD manager did shake his head at the $480 + stand deal I got for the Dewalt Sliding Miter at Lowes. He said that they probably lost money on the deal. :)

I was whistling all the way home with a Dewalt 12" sliding compound miter saw, Dewalt miter saw stand, and my beloved Ridgid 4510 table saw for under $1000 bucks.

Thanks for confirming what I already knew about the Ridgid vs. Dewalt, Mr. Phobia. I would have been wondering "What If" for the next 2 years if I didn't get the Ridgid.

The Ridgid is an amazing table saw. Fence is seemingly as solid as a contractor saw fence, the storage on it is second to none. The stand is simply amazing. It take ZERO lifting to change it from cutting mode to transport and vice versa. The startup is nice and soft (unlike the Dewalt, the ultimate breaker flipper), and the bevel adjustment is smooth as butter.


Thank you, Mr. Phobia.

notorious
12-30-2010, 10:14 AM
Very good deal:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000U8S3QA/ref=pe_78080_18128310_pe_epc_d5


Fein Multimaster for $319 + Free Shipping.

Normally $399.


Fein NEVER goes on sale, so this is a big surprise.

Baby Lee
12-30-2010, 10:20 AM
Anyone have any of Incra's or Jointech's stuff? I've drooled over it for years, but never amassed the prodigious scrilla involved.

Phobia
12-30-2010, 03:41 PM
Anyone have any of Incra's or Jointech's stuff? I've drooled over it for years, but never amassed the prodigious scrilla involved.

Nah - that's cabinet grade stuff for serious woodworkers. All my tools are commercial grade portables for mobile job site.

Extra Point
12-30-2010, 05:27 PM
Very good deal:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000U8S3QA/ref=pe_78080_18128310_pe_epc_d5


Fein Multimaster for $319 + Free Shipping.

Normally $399.


Fein NEVER goes on sale, so this is a big surprise.

For the originator, that's a great price. I still would buy the Dremel for $99 + tx; you can buy blades anywhere. Your comment earlier regarding the exclusive patent: I hope that Fein is getting royalties on all these knock-offs. However, that technology is at Harbor Freight for <$50, so who knows? Of course, the H-F tools are good for 2 weeks, if that-- I bought an electric impact wrench, and had to disassemble it and re-solder a wire to the switch, and re-work the damn switch contacts.

aturnis
12-30-2010, 05:31 PM
Anyone have any experience with track saws? Festool, Dewalt or Makita? Leaning towards Makita.

booger
05-07-2011, 06:20 AM
http://www.toolup.com/hitachi_c10fce2_10-compound-miter-saw.aspx?gclid=CPOq4vbY1agCFcq8Kgod-lhBCw

the local lowes has one of these on sale for around $109. I have never used Hitachi. Anyone have experience with them. Not a sliding one but those are more spendy. It would be for more of a chop saw type use for my shop, nothing everyday i sure aint no pro. I wouldn't use the miter features for much. Might do a wood floor install in the future and it would be handy for that.

I can't justify the price for a Bosch, Makita, Milwaukee, or Dewalt on a tool like this i won't use much.

Anyone know anything about the Ryobi brand? I could go to sears and get one of them or a skilsaw or craftsman type for under a buck fifty. Just don't which of those brands are trust worthy and which aren't when it comes to the miter saws. i cut up some pressure treated pine every now and then so it has to be medium duty range.

here's one for 140 and it's a slider too. I have no idea about the brand of this one.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200400975_200400975

notorious
05-07-2011, 07:44 AM
http://www.toolup.com/hitachi_c10fce2_10-compound-miter-saw.aspx?gclid=CPOq4vbY1agCFcq8Kgod-lhBCw

the local lowes has one of these on sale for around $109. I have never used Hitachi. Anyone have experience with them. Not a sliding one but those are more spendy. It would be for more of a chop saw type use for my shop, nothing everyday i sure aint no pro. I wouldn't use the miter features for much. Might do a wood floor install in the future and it would be handy for that.

I can't justify the price for a Bosch, Makita, Milwaukee, or Dewalt on a tool like this i won't use much.

Anyone know anything about the Ryobi brand? I could go to sears and get one of them or a skilsaw or craftsman type for under a buck fifty. Just don't which of those brands are trust worthy and which aren't when it comes to the miter saws. i cut up some pressure treated pine every now and then so it has to be medium duty range.

here's one for 140 and it's a slider too. I have no idea about the brand of this one.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200400975_200400975


If you can be patient, Craftsman will run sales on their Miter Saws from time to time. $ wise that would be your best buy.


I don't know much about Hitachi, and Ryobi is generally the type of tool you buy for one, maybe two jobs.

booger
05-07-2011, 08:01 AM
If you can be patient, Craftsman will run sales on their Miter Saws from time to time. $ wise that would be your best buy.


I don't know much about Hitachi, and Ryobi is generally the type of tool you buy for one, maybe two jobs.

Yea i'm not in too big of hurry. I liked the Hitachi too because of a 5 yr warranty. How their customer service is could be another story, just never know.

Also gonna check out http://www.reconditionedtools.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-recondtioned-tools-Site/default/Default-Start?ref=outletRTOnetwork

I look on the CPO Milwaukee site all the time and figure i will check out CPO recondition models.

I grew up thinking the sears brand stuff was great. I have heard some aren't as happy with Craftsman and Skilsaw as they used to be. Overall do you think Craftsman puts out pretty good power tools like they have in the past? I just haven't used any except my mulching push mower which isn't quiet 10 yrs old and has been abused and still runs great.

notorious
05-07-2011, 08:07 AM
Yea i'm not in too big of hurry. I liked the Hitachi too because of a 5 yr warranty. How their customer service is could be another story, just never know.

Also gonna check out http://www.reconditionedtools.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-recondtioned-tools-Site/default/Default-Start?ref=outletRTOnetwork

I look on the CPO Milwaukee site all the time and figure i will check out CPO recondition models.

I grew up thinking the sears brand stuff was great. I have heard some aren't as happy with Craftsman and Skilsaw as they used to be. Overall do you think Craftsman puts out pretty good power tools like they have in the past? I just haven't used any except my mulching push mower which isn't quiet 10 yrs old and has been abused and still runs great.


I bought a Craftsman Miter Mate (gimic) since I thought it would help speed up finish work. It didn't. :(

Anyway, the saw is built very solid, angle adjust is accurate and locks very well, and it had plenty of power while cutting oak wood floor. I wouldn't trade my Dewalt or Ridgid Miters for it, but it was less then half the price.

Cutting capacity is limited on a 10", and I wouldn't buy a budget sliding 10" due to build and accuracy quality concern.

booger
05-07-2011, 08:16 AM
I bought a Craftsman Miter Mate (gimic) since I thought it would help speed up finish work. It didn't. :(

Anyway, the saw is built very solid, angle adjust is accurate and locks very well, and it had plenty of power while cutting oak wood floor. I wouldn't trade my Dewalt or Ridgid Miters for it, but it was less then half the price.

Cutting capacity is limited on a 10", and I wouldn't buy a budget sliding 10" due to build and accuracy quality concern.

I need to actually go in to sears and look at them up close. Sometimes you just look at the pics and they look like too much plastic. I think i'll keep an open mind about craftsman brand.

That slider from Northern tool i linked only has a 90 day warranty. Terrible for a new product. As the old saying goes ya get what ya pay for. That could get scary on some of these saws cutting some hard wood on a piece of junk equipment.

thanks for the advice!

Delano
05-07-2011, 08:22 AM
http://www.toolup.com/hitachi_c10fce2_10-compound-miter-saw.aspx?gclid=CPOq4vbY1agCFcq8Kgod-lhBCw

the local lowes has one of these on sale for around $109. I have never used Hitachi. Anyone have experience with them. Not a sliding one but those are more spendy. It would be for more of a chop saw type use for my shop, nothing everyday i sure aint no pro. I wouldn't use the miter features for much. Might do a wood floor install in the future and it would be handy for that.

I can't justify the price for a Bosch, Makita, Milwaukee, or Dewalt on a tool like this i won't use much.

Anyone know anything about the Ryobi brand? I could go to sears and get one of them or a skilsaw or craftsman type for under a buck fifty. Just don't which of those brands are trust worthy and which aren't when it comes to the miter saws. i cut up some pressure treated pine every now and then so it has to be medium duty range.

here's one for 140 and it's a slider too. I have no idea about the brand of this one.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200400975_200400975

I've got that particular model of Hitachi miter saw. Works perfect for me, and it seems you'd be using it about the same. I've used it for cedar fencing, trim, 2X4s, 2X6s, and even 4X4s - some pressure treated pine. I'm quite happy with it. Let me know if you've got questions.

tmax63
05-07-2011, 08:22 AM
I like Ryobi cordless stuff for around home use. Their lithium batteries have lasted well for me, both charge life and battery life. Not my choice if I was using them every day making a living with them but for the weekend odd job around home they do a nice job of balancing cost and function and you can about buy 2 for the cost of 1 DeWalt. It's hard to go wrong with Craftsman in the larger corded stuff.

booger
05-07-2011, 08:32 AM
Yeah it has been a good saw. You are right about its size though, which I would think would be a major drawback on a jobsite where it got moved alot. I don't move mine much but when I've had to its kind of a PITA.

On a different note, I noticed you and some other posters talking about cordless stuff. Anybody have any experience with Milwaukees M18 lineup? Where I work we just got a cutoff grinder and a portable bandsaw in this lineup about a month ago and they seem to work well. We haven't had them long enough to judge long term durability but so far looks good. I was wondering about their drills, sawzalls, and circular saws in this line. HD has a 4 pc M18 kit on closeout for around $100 off. I'm toying with the idea of one of these kits for around the house. Any takes on this line?

Have the M18 drill that came with the 2 batteries lith-on, and charger. Works great every time i've used it the last yr and a half since i got it. Did a small deck project and some other odds and ends. Bought a flashlight to use so i would work the batteries since i don't use it everyday so they get run down and recharged instead of sitting long periods of time. Going to buy the impact driver soon. CPO Milwaukee and the other brands for that matter have the tool only option so in my case since i have the drill and batteries i can add tools that use the same battery at less cost.

The M12 that phobia mentioned is pretty popular i hear. I stop by a hardware store to do some business in a town not too far from me and he says he sells the heck out of the M12 stuff.

booger
05-07-2011, 08:40 AM
I've got that particular model of Hitachi miter saw. Works perfect for me, and it seems you'd be using it about the same. I've used it for cedar fencing, trim, 2X4s, 2X6s, and even 4X4s - some pressure treated pine. I'm quite happy with it. Let me know if you've got questions.

Cool.

It says it's lightweight(26 lbs), actually lightest on the market for that sized miter. I won't have to move it around and may even mount it benchtop. Is the lightness of the base any concern for you when you got it?

Angles stay accurate when your using for the trim stuff?

clamp down on that does it work for the hard wood and longer pieces?

Did it come w/ a decent blade?

109 bucks and 5 yr warranty is worth a shot.

Lzen
05-07-2011, 09:26 AM
I have been (slowly) replacing some tools and music equipment that got stolen out of my garage. I may go with that Hitachi miter saw. Like you, I am a weekend warrior and don't need anything super high quality/durability.

I just bought this Hitachi compressor from Lowes. I like it so far. Even better is that it came with a brad nailer and finish nailer. Both seem decent quality. I think it can handle a framing nailer, too.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_331410-67702-KNT65APR_4294795218_4294937087_?productId=3260195&Ns=p_product_prd_lis_ord_nbr|0||p_product_quantity_sold|1&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl_Air%2BCompressors_4294795218_4294937087_%3FNs%3Dp_product_prd_lis_ord_nbr|0||p_prod uct_quantity_sold|1 (http://www.lowes.com/pd_331410-67702-KNT65APR_4294795218_4294937087_?productId=3260195&Ns=p_product_prd_lis_ord_nbr%7C0%7C%7Cp_product_quantity_sold%7C1&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl_Air%2BCompressors_4294795218_4294937087_%3FNs%3Dp_product_prd_lis_ord_nbr%7C0%7C%7C p_product_quantity_sold%7C1)

Phobia
05-07-2011, 09:32 AM
You weekend warriors should be happy with that Hitachi saw. It's a sight better than Ryobi crap.

Lzen
05-07-2011, 09:38 AM
You weekend warriors should be happy with that Hitachi saw. It's a sight better than Ryobi crap.

I notice a lot of Ryobi dislike. I own a 18v Ryobi cordless drill, corner kitty sander, and cordless power saw. Now the sander is meh, but I love my drill. That saw is decent, too. But the batteries don't last long to make it useful for much. I don't own any other Ryobi stuff, though.

Phobia
05-07-2011, 10:24 AM
I notice a lot of Ryobi dislike. I own a 18v Ryobi cordless drill, corner kitty sander, and cordless power saw. Now the sander is meh, but I love my drill. That saw is decent, too. But the batteries don't last long to make it useful for much. I don't own any other Ryobi stuff, though.

it is what it is. It's for weekenders. But for similar money, weekend guys can make wiser choices, I think. Like Hitachi. Or quality products used.

booger
05-07-2011, 12:21 PM
This link has it for $111. No sales tax or gas money and was 10 bucks shipping.
Worth a shot. Wish me luck in not cutting any appendages off. (knock on wood)

http://www.reconditionedsales.com/Hitachi_C10FCE2_10_Compound_Miter_Saw___i1107.aspx

Delano
05-07-2011, 04:50 PM
Cool.

It says it's lightweight(26 lbs), actually lightest on the market for that sized miter. I won't have to move it around and may even mount it benchtop. Is the lightness of the base any concern for you when you got it?

Angles stay accurate when your using for the trim stuff?

clamp down on that does it work for the hard wood and longer pieces?

Did it come w/ a decent blade?

109 bucks and 5 yr warranty is worth a shot.

The base is really sturdy. I was cutting some deck stuff on uneven concrete for a friend and couldn't get the lumber to sit evenly initially. I screwed the clamp down and it actually lifted the miter up and evened out the cut. Not what I had planned, but it worked in a pinch in that situation. Obviously, the clamp is strong enough :D .

The blade is decent. Very little tear out and if you tape the cuts, there is none. It bogged down just a bit in some 4x4 green wood, but that's kind of what I figured would happen.

Lzen
05-08-2011, 08:59 AM
This link has it for $111. No sales tax or gas money and was 10 bucks shipping.
Worth a shot. Wish me luck in not cutting any appendages off. (knock on wood)

http://www.reconditionedsales.com/Hitachi_C10FCE2_10_Compound_Miter_Saw___i1107.aspx

I almost grabbed that Hitachi miter saw when I was in Lowe's yesterday. I've got some baseboard trim and quarter round that has needed to be finished up in my kitchen. Been without a miter since my garage was burglarized a couple months ago. I should probably get that soon. Wife wants her kitchen finished. :D