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Rams Fan
12-23-2010, 10:13 AM
He hasn't posted since mid November.

:(

DenverDanChiefsFan
12-23-2010, 10:14 AM
This is a problem why?

Count Alex's Losses
12-23-2010, 10:14 AM
He's washing his hair.

WebGem
12-23-2010, 10:15 AM
Prolly having circle jerks with all the other Red Wings fans.

Donger
12-23-2010, 10:16 AM
In Saudi Arabia near the Red Sea. If that doesn't help, just follow the smell.

Mr. Arrowhead
12-23-2010, 10:16 AM
The chiefs are winning and are in first place soo um yeah Mecca wont show his face.

Sofa King
12-23-2010, 10:16 AM
Playing street ball with Nelly in downtown Sioux Falls.

Warrior5
12-23-2010, 10:19 AM
The chiefs are winning and are in first place soo um yeah Mecca wont show his face.

This. He's boycotting the Chiefs' success.

InChiefsHell
12-23-2010, 10:20 AM
You guys are gonna feel terrible if something bad actually happened to him...

The Bad Guy
12-23-2010, 10:21 AM
Posts a ton when we suck. Doesn't post at all when we are winning.

Mecca is who we thought he was.

Brainiac
12-23-2010, 10:22 AM
If a guy is going to try to set himself as an NFL "expert" and relentlessly criticize Scott Pioli for being so "stupid" because he didn't draft Sanchez, the least he could do is own it.

He should publicly admit how wrong he was, or he should continue to stubbornly insist that he was right along and take the heat. To just run away is pretty chickenshit.

doomy3
12-23-2010, 10:22 AM
Who gives a shit?

Rams Fan
12-23-2010, 10:22 AM
Posts a ton when we suck. Doesn't post at all when we are winning.

Mecca is who we thought he was.

Can someone make a gif with Dennis Green and the words, "Mecca is who we thought he was"?

doomy3
12-23-2010, 10:23 AM
Posts a ton when we suck. Doesn't post at all when we are winning.

Mecca is who we thought he was.

A gigantic douche?

notorious
12-23-2010, 10:25 AM
He is in the studio recording the new version of "Where Corn Don't Grow"

ILChief
12-23-2010, 10:26 AM
Don't worry. He'll be back around draft time to tell us how much better of a GM than pioli he would be

Brock
12-23-2010, 10:26 AM
Wherever he may be, I'm sure he's wearing a hair net.

DA_T_84
12-23-2010, 10:26 AM
Singing "Chop it Up"

Rams Fan
12-23-2010, 10:30 AM
I wonder if Mecca has any mults by chance?

DaFace
12-23-2010, 10:31 AM
I wonder if Mecca has any mults by chance?

Not that I'm aware of.

Rams Fan
12-23-2010, 10:32 AM
Not that I'm aware of.

Would you guess that he's lurking?

DaFace
12-23-2010, 10:34 AM
Would you guess that he's lurking?

Well, he logged in six days ago, so to some extent, yes. I remember him mentioning that he's been busy with a new job or something a while back, but who knows?

Mr. Laz
12-23-2010, 10:35 AM
You guys are gonna feel terrible if something bad actually happened to him...
not a bit

Hog Farmer
12-23-2010, 10:35 AM
Would you guess that he's lurking?


I liked you more when you were LittleBoPeep

notorious
12-23-2010, 10:38 AM
he's been busy with a new job or something a while back, but who knows?

Applying for a NFL GM position?

Rams Fan
12-23-2010, 10:40 AM
Applying for a NFL GM position?

LMAO

siberian khatru
12-23-2010, 10:43 AM
Posts a ton when we suck. Doesn't post at all when we are winning.

Mecca is who we thought he was.

Does seem like a coincidence.

Crush
12-23-2010, 10:53 AM
Repost

Otter
12-23-2010, 10:53 AM
A backup vocalist on "The Hansons - MmmmmBop" tour.

Dicky McElephant
12-23-2010, 10:57 AM
not a bit

:shake:

Rausch
12-23-2010, 10:59 AM
Playing street ball with Nelly in downtown Sioux Falls.

I hear he quit when Nelly didn't know the difference between a post and a dig route after the 15th time.

Detoxing
12-23-2010, 11:01 AM
Wherever he may be, I'm sure he's wearing a hair net.

WHOA WHOA WHOA. What's with the avatar, dude? Not digging the new Brock at all.

Sofa King
12-23-2010, 11:04 AM
I hear he quit when Nelly didn't know the difference between a post and a dig route after the 15th time.

he shoulda picked Dave Chappelle's "Prince" instead.

Deberg_1990
12-23-2010, 11:26 AM
He grew up, got a job and moved out of his parents house. Another Chiefsplanet success story.

WebGem
12-23-2010, 11:44 AM
He grew up, got a job and moved out of his parents house. Another Chiefsplanet success story.

LOL

boogblaster
12-23-2010, 12:03 PM
maybe he cut his hair and lost his ability to post .......

Bane
12-23-2010, 12:06 PM
http://i53.tinypic.com/10p99qt.jpg

BigMeatballDave
12-23-2010, 12:11 PM
He's adding more glamour shots to his Facebook page.

Bwana
12-23-2010, 12:16 PM
Waxing his beaver?

HotRoute
12-23-2010, 12:18 PM
Just give it time, he will definately be back around draft time

Rams Fan
12-23-2010, 02:34 PM
Just give it time, he will definately be back around draft time

So he was wrong about Clausen?

-King-
12-23-2010, 02:37 PM
I miss Hootie talking about Mecca. That was always worth a chuckle or 3.


And he's busy with a new job? Does his job literally take 24 hrs of his day? If we were losing, he'd be neck and neck with GoChiefs in terms of post count.

teedubya
12-23-2010, 02:53 PM
Wherever he is, I bet he is in T-R-O-U-B-L-E

Pawnmower
12-23-2010, 03:01 PM
A gigantic douche?

Turd Sammwich

Pushead2
12-23-2010, 03:04 PM
http://i53.tinypic.com/10p99qt.jpg

I see....

Norman Einstein
12-23-2010, 03:04 PM
Well, he logged in six days ago, so to some extent, yes. I remember him mentioning that he's been busy with a new job or something a while back, but who knows?

24/7?

When I'm on the road doing a startup I don't even work that. There's always some time for relaxation.

Even at 14 hours a day there's time to email and do other stuff.

Reerun_KC
12-23-2010, 03:06 PM
Who cares, he is isnt anything of substance. All mouth and zero credibility... Besides his 3 other counter parts are still here...

Norman Einstein
12-23-2010, 03:07 PM
Who cares, he is isnt anything of substance. All mouth and zero credibility... Besides his 3 other counter parts are still here...

He has friends?

Reerun_KC
12-23-2010, 03:08 PM
He has friends?

Hamas, OTWP58 and Dane...

those 4 rode around together the last 18 months or so... hijacking every thread that didnt believe their opinions were fact...

OnTheWarpath58
12-23-2010, 03:37 PM
Hamas, OTWP58 and Dane...

those 4 rode around together the last 18 months or so... hijacking every thread that didnt believe their opinions were fact...

I've been scratching my head for the past year trying to figure out if you're just trolling, a habitual liar, or both.

Reerun_KC
12-23-2010, 03:42 PM
I've been scratching my head for the past year trying to figure out if you're just trolling, a habitual liar, or both.

Unfortantly none of the above...

Sorry dude...

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-23-2010, 03:46 PM
I've been scratching my head for the past year trying to figure out if you're just trolling, a habitual liar, or both.

He's just fucking stupid.

CaliforniaChief
12-23-2010, 03:46 PM
Is it already time for the "Where's Mecca" thread, morphing into drafturbation-accusations, followed by fierce reprisals, leading to a Mecca appearance, laughter, and insults.

Starting threads like this are stupid. Just PM the guy if you care so much. And if he doesn't answer, what are you going to do about it?

Bwana
12-23-2010, 03:49 PM
Is it already time for the "Where's Mecca" thread, morphing into drafturbation-accusations, followed by fierce reprisals, leading to a Mecca appearance, laughter, and insults.

Starting threads like this are stupid. Just PM the guy if you care so much. And if he doesn't answer, what are you going to do about it?

And there you have it!

Rausch
12-23-2010, 03:51 PM
He's just ****ing stupid.

LMAO

Phobia
12-23-2010, 03:52 PM
Is it already time for the "Where's Mecca" thread, morphing into drafturbation-accusations, followed by fierce reprisals, leading to a Mecca appearance, laughter, and insults.

Starting threads like this are stupid. Just PM the guy if you care so much. And if he doesn't answer, what are you going to do about it?

Welcome to ChiefsPlanet, n00b.

ChiefsCountry
12-23-2010, 03:54 PM
Its amazing how butthurt so many are over Mecca.

OnTheWarpath58
12-23-2010, 03:55 PM
Its amazing how butthurt so many are over Mecca.

.

doomy3
12-23-2010, 03:56 PM
Its amazing how butthurt so many are over Mecca.

Like you said the other day without Mecca ever being brought up in a thread, Mecca's a douche.

Reerun_KC
12-23-2010, 03:56 PM
He's just ****ing stupid.:thumb:

So insightful.... I am just overwhelmed by your wit...

siberian khatru
12-23-2010, 03:58 PM
Is it already time for the "Where's Mecca" thread, morphing into drafturbation-accusations, followed by fierce reprisals, leading to a Mecca appearance, laughter, and insults.



Hell, I'm counting on it. :popcorn:

ChiefsCountry
12-23-2010, 03:58 PM
Like you said the other day without Mecca ever being brought up in a thread, Mecca's a douche.

That he is.

doomy3
12-23-2010, 04:00 PM
That he is.

See, now I don't call that being "butthurt" to be able to acknowledge that.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-23-2010, 04:02 PM
:thumb:

So insightful.... I am just overwhelmed by your wit...

I'd take that as a compliment if you weren't overwhelmed by a 4-way stop sign.

Mecca
12-23-2010, 04:02 PM
Actually I'm around here and there, but I don't have nearly the time I've had in the past, having things to do does that. Sorry for not posting constantly I'm sure somehow this means I'm "hiding" when my post count has been low since May.

doomy3
12-23-2010, 04:03 PM
Actually I'm around here and there, but I don't have nearly the time I've had in the past, having things to do does that. Sorry for not posting constantly I'm sure somehow this means I'm "hiding" when my post count has been low since May.

Plus, I'm sure you just don't have the things to say when you are around here and there.

Donger
12-23-2010, 04:03 PM
I have to admit that I didn't really pay much attention to what the Draftabulators (sp?) were so incensed about. What were their arguments?

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-23-2010, 04:04 PM
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e131/motorhead069/AndHereWeGo.gif

beach tribe
12-23-2010, 04:05 PM
Its amazing how butthurt so many are over Mecca.

Not so butt hurt that they hide like a bitch and stop posting completely during one of the best seasons we've had in years though.

Donger
12-23-2010, 04:05 PM
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e131/motorhead069/AndHereWeGo.gif

You were/are one of them, yes? If so, perhaps you could give a synopsis?

Reerun_KC
12-23-2010, 04:06 PM
I'd take that as a compliment if you weren't overwhelmed by a 4-way stop sign.

Is that really the best you can do.... I would be offended otherwise...

beach tribe
12-23-2010, 04:06 PM
Actually I'm around here and there, but I don't have nearly the time I've had in the past, having things to do does that. Sorry for not posting constantly I'm sure somehow this means I'm "hiding" when my post count has been low since May.

Please.

Bwana
12-23-2010, 04:06 PM
Now look what you have gone and done N00b. Bad rammy, BAD!!

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-23-2010, 04:07 PM
You were/are one of them, yes? If so, perhaps you could give a synopsis?

The 2009 offseason being a complete clusterfuck
The 2nd round of the 2010 draft being a poor acquisition of value

Them's the big ones.

Donger
12-23-2010, 04:07 PM
If my question has already been covered elsewhere in summary, there's no need to go over it again.

Mecca
12-23-2010, 04:09 PM
I think it's kinda funny honestly, sorry the internet forum hasn't been a priority of mine in forever. I also love how it's somehow tied to this season when my post count dipped months before that.

doomy3
12-23-2010, 04:10 PM
I think it's kinda funny honestly, sorry the internet forum hasn't been a priority of mine in forever. I also love how it's somehow tied to this season when my post count dipped months before that.

I agree it is kind of funny. It's a joke.

The Bad Guy
12-23-2010, 04:11 PM
Actually I'm around here and there, but I don't have nearly the time I've had in the past, having things to do does that. Sorry for not posting constantly I'm sure somehow this means I'm "hiding" when my post count has been low since May.

Yes, that's exactly what it means.

"Having things to do" like everyone on this board don't have things to do themselves.

We just choose to show up here when we have free time. I'm sure if the Chiefs ever suck again you'll be posting at an alarming rate.

beach tribe
12-23-2010, 04:11 PM
The 2009 offseason being a complete cluster****
The 2nd round of the 2010 draft being a poor acquisition of value

Them's the big ones.

And the Matt Cassel trade, Not taking Sanchez, Switching to the 3-4 with 4-3 personnel, Cutting Pollard, making all the players lose weight, and basicallly everything else Pioli, and Haley did.

Donger
12-23-2010, 04:12 PM
The 2009 offseason being a complete cluster****

Any specifics?

The 2nd round of the 2010 draft being a poor acquisition of value

Dumb it down a bit, please. You are referring to Dexter McCluster?

beach tribe
12-23-2010, 04:13 PM
I think it's kinda funny honestly, sorry the internet forum hasn't been a priority of mine in forever. I also love how it's somehow tied to this season when my post count dipped months before that.

Your post count didn't dip, it practically ceased.

The Bad Guy
12-23-2010, 04:13 PM
I think it's kinda funny honestly, sorry the internet forum hasn't been a priority of mine in forever. I also love how it's somehow tied to this season when my post count dipped months before that.

I'm sure it's just a big misunderstanding.

The Bad Guy
12-23-2010, 04:14 PM
Your post count didn't dip, it practically ceased.

It's just all a coincidence. He has no life when the Chiefs suck so he can blast them around every turn.

Now they are good, he has nothing to say...until they start losing.

beach tribe
12-23-2010, 04:14 PM
Any specifics?



Dumb it down a bit, please. You are referring to Dexter McCluster?

Those are just the things, that they didn't turn out to be completely wrong about.

Donger
12-23-2010, 04:14 PM
Oh, Mecca showed up? Mecca, what (if anything) were you wrong about in your Chiefs' predictions?

Reerun_KC
12-23-2010, 04:16 PM
And the Matt Cassel trade, Not taking Sanchez, Switching to the 3-4 with 4-3 personnel, Cutting Pollard, making all the players lose weight, and basicallly everything else Pioli, and Haley did.

Or the fact that Haley and Pioli didnt give two shits about Brian Waters, when they didnt drop everything to have a meeting with Brian Waters....

Bane
12-23-2010, 04:18 PM
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:




http://i56.tinypic.com/10hu1cy.jpg

Donger
12-23-2010, 04:19 PM
Those are just the things, that they didn't turn out to be completely wrong about.

Well, I presume that the Draftabulators (sp?) did not believe that all the things that the Chiefs did (or didn't do) during the time in question would lead to a season like what has happened, right? If so, did anyone really think that the Chiefs would be leading the AFCW at this point in the season before it began?

If not, then I guess everyone was wrong, but that the Draftabulators were just wrong to a higher/worse level. And, it probably didn't help that they were apparently so vociferous in their prognostications.

doomy3
12-23-2010, 04:20 PM
Oh, Mecca showed up?

Luckily for us all, he just happened to have a little bit of downtime in his crazy life to respond to this thread.

Mecca
12-23-2010, 04:20 PM
It's just all a coincidence. He has no life when the Chiefs suck so he can blast them around every turn.

Now they are good, he has nothing to say...until they start losing.

Personally I love how you dislike me so heavily from a forum, it's fuckin hilarious.

Mecca
12-23-2010, 04:21 PM
Luckily for us all, he just happened to have a little bit of downtime in his crazy life to respond to this thread.

Because life is so busy 2 days before Christmas at 4 in the afternoon, I have time right before the holiday.

Donger
12-23-2010, 04:22 PM
Because life is so busy 2 days before Christmas at 4 in the afternoon, I have time right before the holiday.

Have you had the time to watch the Chiefs' games? If so, what do you think of the team's progress this year? Well, I guess that you don't really have to have time to watch, but I presume you are aware that they are leading the AFC West?

Mecca
12-23-2010, 04:24 PM
Have you had the time to watch the Chiefs' games? If so, what do you think of the team's progress this year?

Yea on DVR I've watched them. They've obviously been better this year, it's solid progress need a receiver pretty badly though that and another pass rusher. Stuff I think everyone knows.

mikey23545
12-23-2010, 04:24 PM
Have you had the time to watch the Chiefs' games? If so, what do you think of the team's progress this year? Well, I guess that you don't really have to have time to watch, but I presume you are aware that they are leading the AFC West?

ROFL...You <i>are</i> an evil bastard, aren't you?

Donger
12-23-2010, 04:24 PM
Yea on DVR I've watched them. They've obviously been better this year, it's solid progress need a receiver pretty badly though that and another pass rusher. Stuff I think everyone knows.

Are they better than you thought they would be?

The Bad Guy
12-23-2010, 04:24 PM
Personally I love how you dislike me so heavily from a forum, it's ****in hilarious.

Yep, it's just me, no one else dislikes someone who know when to huff and puff when things aren't going well, but then decides to bail when things don't really go according the gospel you've laid out here the last 2 years.

beach tribe
12-23-2010, 04:25 PM
Well, I presume that the Draftabulators (sp?) did not believe that all the things that the Chiefs did (or didn't do) during the time in question would lead to a season like what has happened, right? If so, did anyone really think that the Chiefs would be leading the AFCW at this point in the season before it began?

If not, then I guess everyone was wrong, but that the Draftabulators were just wrong to a higher/worse level. And, it probably didn't help that they were apparently so vociferous in their prognostications.

True. Nor did they use every insult they could think of to let anyone who didn't agree that every single move Pioli & Haley made was a monumental mistake, know how stupid they were for being such a true fan.

Mecca
12-23-2010, 04:27 PM
Uh bail? I don't have a "I'm leaving" thread, I'm sorry that I pop in for 5 minutes here and there and generally don't post unless I have something to add to convo.

Should I like put off my other obligations to post on the forum, would that make your day?

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-23-2010, 04:28 PM
And the Matt Cassel trade, Not taking Sanchez, Switching to the 3-4 with 4-3 personnel, Cutting Pollard, making all the players lose weight.

That's the 2009 offseason, dumbass.

beach tribe
12-23-2010, 04:28 PM
Because life is so busy 2 days before Christmas at 4 in the afternoon, I have time right before the holiday.

ROFL

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-23-2010, 04:30 PM
Well, I presume that the Draftabulators (sp?) did not believe that all the things that the Chiefs did (or didn't do) during the time in question would lead to a season like what has happened, right? If so, did anyone really think that the Chiefs would be leading the AFCW at this point in the season before it began?

If not, then I guess everyone was wrong, but that the Draftabulators were just wrong to a higher/worse level. And, it probably didn't help that they were apparently so vociferous in their prognostications.

Actually, I predicted that the team would significantly outperform its talent level due to the historically bad schedule. The truly "surprising" wins on this schedule were the San Diego victory and the SF win, as those teams were expected to be much better.

beach tribe
12-23-2010, 04:31 PM
That's the 2009 offseason, dumbass.

And That "cluster fuck" is a big reason this team has turned it around.

Donger
12-23-2010, 04:33 PM
Actually, I predicted that the team would significantly outperform its talent level due to the historically bad schedule. The truly "surprising" wins on this schedule were the San Diego victory and the SF win, as those teams were expected to be much better.

Okay, so since you apparently aren't going to elaborate on your post 74, you think that the only reason the Chiefs are leading the AFCW is because of their weak schedule?

Marcellus
12-23-2010, 04:34 PM
Okay, so since you apparently aren't going to elaborate on your post 74, you think that the only reason the Chiefs are leading the AFCW is because of their weak schedule?

Isn't the rest of the AFCW playing pretty much the same schedule?

beach tribe
12-23-2010, 04:36 PM
Okay, so since you apparently aren't going to elaborate on your post 74, you think that the only reason the Chiefs are leading the AFCW is because of their weak schedule?
They also saw the schedule before the season started and would ridicule the shit out of anyone who said we would win more than 5 games.

Rams Fan
12-23-2010, 04:36 PM
Isn't the rest of the AFCW playing pretty much the same schedule?

Pretty much except for a few games.

Mecca
12-23-2010, 04:38 PM
ROFL

:facepalm: don't you have some speed to do?

Pushead2
12-23-2010, 04:40 PM
I think it's kinda funny honestly, sorry the internet forum hasn't been a priority of mine in forever. I also love how it's somehow tied to this season when my post count dipped months before that.

Fuck you & the Red Wings, douche :)

WebGem
12-23-2010, 04:42 PM
Isn't the rest of the AFCW playing pretty much the same schedule?

From our division finish last year (only differences) we got these games:

Chiefs: BUF, @CLE
Chargers: NE, @CIN
Broncos: NYJ, @BAL
Raiders: MIA, @PIT

I mean, yeah I guess we got the best deal out of it but the only team that would have had a chance at the division regardless is San Diego and there's isn't THAT much worse. The Browns are a much tougher road game than Cinci IMO.

Phobia
12-23-2010, 04:42 PM
Because life is so busy 2 days before Christmas at 4 in the afternoon, I have time right before the holiday.

Send me an address. I want to send a few bottles of Prell your way.

Marcellus
12-23-2010, 04:43 PM
I think CP is much more entertaining with Mecca around.

I think people are irritated he hasn't gotten to partake in KC's successful season and Cassel's imminent HOF consideration.

Mecca
12-23-2010, 04:55 PM
I think CP is much more entertaining with Mecca around.

I think people are irritated he hasn't gotten to partake in KC's successful season and Cassel's imminent HOF consideration.

haha, he's been better I'll give him that much.

WebGem
12-23-2010, 04:57 PM
What up Mecca. You like that 5-0 shutout by our terrible offense + JQuick's 51 saves.

Edit: Oh and the OT win on the Saturday night before the Broncos game too. Yeah that one was fun also. Anze FTW!

Rams Fan
12-23-2010, 04:58 PM
What up Mecca. You like that 5-0 shutout by our terrible offense + JQuick's 51 saves.

Edit: Oh and the OT win on the Saturday night before the Broncos game too. Yeah that one was fun also. Anze FTW!

How'd you like that Blues win against the Kings last Thursday?

WebGem
12-23-2010, 04:58 PM
How'd you like that Blues win against the Kings last Thursday?

I'm just glad I didn't drive there early to see that game. It was gay.

KurtCobain
12-23-2010, 04:59 PM
haha, he's been better I'll give him that much.

Maybe there is a jesus.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:YEfF3xigDiayHM:http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/44/l_d81cfb5581214ff1b11934696b9fd4cf.png&t=1

Donger
12-23-2010, 05:02 PM
Draftabulators, would you be so kind as to give me an example of one prediction (or many) that you actually got correct?

Rams Fan
12-23-2010, 05:02 PM
Draftabulators, would you be so kind as to give me an example of one prediction (or many) that you actually got correct?

I got one thing right. LMAO

Donger
12-23-2010, 05:03 PM
I got one thing right. LMAO

You were a Draftabulator?

WilliamTheIrish
12-23-2010, 05:05 PM
Dongtabulator,

Use the search finction for f's sake.

Rams Fan
12-23-2010, 05:06 PM
You were a Draftabulator?

No, but there's a 50 something page thread in Draft Planet in which I told everyone that I was right about Clausen falling to the 2nd round(Hamas at one point had him going 1st overall, IIRC).

Donger
12-23-2010, 05:07 PM
Dongtabulator,

Use the search finction for f's sake.

Like I already stated, if there is a summary of what the Darftabulators predicted, I'd welcome a link.

KurtCobain
12-23-2010, 05:07 PM
Didn't they like the Lewis pick?

Donger
12-23-2010, 05:15 PM
How about Pioli and Haley?

It seems like the addition of Crennel and Weis were good moves, yes? If so, isn't Pioli responsible for those moves?

I saw that Haley is up for coach of the year honors. I could be wrong, but I wouldn't think that he would be up for such an honor if he sucked.

What say you, Draftabulators? Would you agree with those two examples?

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-23-2010, 05:32 PM
Okay, so since you apparently aren't going to elaborate on your post 74, you think that the only reason the Chiefs are leading the AFCW is because of their weak schedule?

Is the weak schedule the primary reason we are leading the division? Yes.
Is it the only reason? No.

Here's how it breaks down: The 2009 offseason was terrible and it set this team back significantly.

Let's first look at the draft:

#3 Tyson Jackson. This is looking like one of the worst picks in the history of the franchise
#67 Alex Magee. Total bust. No longer with the team
#102 Donald Washington. Nothing but a ST player at this point.
#139 Colin Brown. Not even in the NFL anymore. Didn't play a single regular season game for the team
#175 Quinten Lawrence. PS fodder. Has never done anything for the team
#212 Javarris Williams. Now with the Seahawks. Did nothing
#237 Jake O'Connell. ST player. When he gets reps, he's a penalty/drop machine
#256 Ryan Succop. Looks like a good NFL kicker.

Now, we obviously traded for Matt Cassel during this time as well. He has played significantly better this year, and has shown promise, but is that a function of the schedule? I think an argument could be made that the easy schedule, combined with TD vulturing, has made him look better than what he really is.

With that being said, he does deserve a lot of credit for his improvement, and if he can turn into a top level QB, that acquisition obviates a great deal of the failure of the 2009 draft.

Haley is looking like a promising NFL coach, but he does seem to have a fatal flaw of making stupid decisions at inopportune times. It could have easily cost us the second Denver game as well as the Buffalo game. Overall, we should be very pleased with this hire.

The Pederast and Gailey debacle was an embarrassment.

But here's the real problem: Our improvement this year has been primarily driven by the players who were already here.

On defense: Dorsey, Carr, Flowers, Johnson, Hali, Gilberry.

2009 has made no contribution to this team at all on D.

2010, thankfully, has been much better. Berry, Lewis, and even Arenas all look like they will be either lynchpins (Berry), good players (Lewis), or important situational players (Arenas).

Lilja and Jones were good FA signings that no one objected to (especially given Jones' contract), and Wiegmann is a semi-effective stopgap who helps in the outside running game.

But here's the irony of it:

Let's look at the root word: Drafturbator. The idea that the draft is of the utmost importance to the point where every pick is given too much implied value.

Yet, look at our starters.

LT, RT, RB, RDE, LCB, RCB all came from one draft, and they are all quality players, and some of them (Charles, Flowers) are elite players and Dorsey and Carr have the potential to be Pro Bowlers.

From 2010:

FS, SS, TE. You can consider NCB to be a part of the equation, and next year, you'll probably add Asamoah into the starting lineup.

That's potentially 10 starters and a quasi starter from two drafts.

Thus, when something like 2009 happens, being upset is pretty well justified, especially when it is layered on top of awful coaching hires (coordinators, assistants, etc.).

Now, the problem with the second round in 2010 is that you could have added players at important positions that were team weaknesses, but instead focused on gadgety players.

Reerun_KC
12-23-2010, 05:33 PM
Hamas Jenkins - Message board GM of the year!

siberian khatru
12-23-2010, 05:37 PM
Is the weak schedule the primary reason we are leading the division? Yes.
Is it the only reason? No.

Here's how it breaks down: The 2009 offseason was terrible and it set this team back significantly.

Let's first look at the draft:

#3 Tyson Jackson. This is looking like one of the worst picks in the history of the franchise
#67 Alex Magee. Total bust. No longer with the team
#102 Donald Washington. Nothing but a ST player at this point.
#139 Colin Brown. Not even in the NFL anymore. Didn't play a single regular season game for the team
#175 Quinten Lawrence. PS fodder. Has never done anything for the team
#212 Javarris Williams. Now with the Seahawks. Did nothing
#237 Jake O'Connell. ST player. When he gets reps, he's a penalty/drop machine
#256 Ryan Succop. Looks like a good NFL kicker.

Now, we obviously traded for Matt Cassel during this time as well. He has played significantly better this year, and has shown promise, but is that a function of the schedule? I think an argument could be made that the easy schedule, combined with TD vulturing, has made him look better than what he really is.

With that being said, he does deserve a lot of credit for his improvement, and if he can turn into a top level QB, that acquisition obviates a great deal of the failure of the 2009 draft.

Haley is looking like a promising NFL coach, but he does seem to have a fatal flaw of making stupid decisions at inopportune times. It could have easily cost us the second Denver game as well as the Buffalo game. Overall, we should be very pleased with this hire.

The Pederast and Gailey debacle was an embarrassment.

But here's the real problem: Our improvement this year has been primarily driven by the players who were already here.

On defense: Dorsey, Carr, Flowers, Johnson, Hali, Gilberry.

2009 has made no contribution to this team at all on D.

2010, thankfully, has been much better. Berry, Lewis, and even Arenas all look like they will be either lynchpins (Berry), good players (Lewis), or important situational players (Arenas).

Lilja and Jones were good FA signings that no one objected to (especially given Jones' contract), and Wiegmann is a semi-effective stopgap who helps in the outside running game.

But here's the irony of it:

Let's look at the root word: Drafturbator. The idea that the draft is of the utmost importance to the point where every pick is given too much implied value.

Yet, look at our starters.

LT, RT, RB, RDE, LCB, RCB all came from one draft, and they are all quality players, and some of them (Charles, Flowers) are elite players and Dorsey and Carr have the potential to be Pro Bowlers.

From 2010:

FS, SS, TE. You can consider NCB to be a part of the equation, and next year, you'll probably add Asamoah into the starting lineup.

That's potentially 10 starters and a quasi starter from two drafts.

Thus, when something like 2009 happens, being upset is pretty well justified, especially when it is layered on top of awful coaching hires (coordinators, assistants, etc.).

Now, the problem with the second round in 2010 is that you could have added players at important positions that were team weaknesses, but instead focused on gadgety players.

I can't believe you're playing his game.

You're getting soft, Hamas.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-23-2010, 05:53 PM
I can't believe you're playing his game.

You're getting soft, Hamas.

Meh, what else am I going to do? There's nothing on TV.

The Bad Guy
12-23-2010, 05:54 PM
haha, he's been better I'll give him that much.

What an olive branch.

The Bad Guy
12-23-2010, 05:56 PM
I don't think Arenas is a gadget player at all, but someone who will solidify a nickel position that is a must in today's NFL.

McCluster's pick was meh.

Donger
12-23-2010, 05:56 PM
Is the weak schedule the primary reason we are leading the division? Yes.
Is it the only reason? No.

Here's how it breaks down: The 2009 offseason was terrible and it set this team back significantly.

Let's first look at the draft:

#3 Tyson Jackson. This is looking like one of the worst picks in the history of the franchise
#67 Alex Magee. Total bust. No longer with the team
#102 Donald Washington. Nothing but a ST player at this point.
#139 Colin Brown. Not even in the NFL anymore. Didn't play a single regular season game for the team
#175 Quinten Lawrence. PS fodder. Has never done anything for the team
#212 Javarris Williams. Now with the Seahawks. Did nothing
#237 Jake O'Connell. ST player. When he gets reps, he's a penalty/drop machine
#256 Ryan Succop. Looks like a good NFL kicker.

Now, we obviously traded for Matt Cassel during this time as well. He has played significantly better this year, and has shown promise, but is that a function of the schedule? I think an argument could be made that the easy schedule, combined with TD vulturing, has made him look better than what he really is.

With that being said, he does deserve a lot of credit for his improvement, and if he can turn into a top level QB, that acquisition obviates a great deal of the failure of the 2009 draft.

Haley is looking like a promising NFL coach, but he does seem to have a fatal flaw of making stupid decisions at inopportune times. It could have easily cost us the second Denver game as well as the Buffalo game. Overall, we should be very pleased with this hire.

The Pederast and Gailey debacle was an embarrassment.

But here's the real problem: Our improvement this year has been primarily driven by the players who were already here.

On defense: Dorsey, Carr, Flowers, Johnson, Hali, Gilberry.

2009 has made no contribution to this team at all on D.

2010, thankfully, has been much better. Berry, Lewis, and even Arenas all look like they will be either lynchpins (Berry), good players (Lewis), or important situational players (Arenas).

Lilja and Jones were good FA signings that no one objected to (especially given Jones' contract), and Wiegmann is a semi-effective stopgap who helps in the outside running game.

But here's the irony of it:

Let's look at the root word: Drafturbator. The idea that the draft is of the utmost importance to the point where every pick is given too much implied value.

Yet, look at our starters.

LT, RT, RB, RDE, LCB, RCB all came from one draft, and they are all quality players, and some of them (Charles, Flowers) are elite players and Dorsey and Carr have the potential to be Pro Bowlers.

From 2010:

FS, SS, TE. You can consider NCB to be a part of the equation, and next year, you'll probably add Asamoah into the starting lineup.

That's potentially 10 starters and a quasi starter from two drafts.

Thus, when something like 2009 happens, being upset is pretty well justified, especially when it is layered on top of awful coaching hires (coordinators, assistants, etc.).

Now, the problem with the second round in 2010 is that you could have added players at important positions that were team weaknesses, but instead focused on gadgety players.

Okay, thanks. To summarize that, 2009 sucked and 2010 was pretty darn good, right? So, props to Pioli and Haley?

Donger
12-23-2010, 05:58 PM
Oh, and what about that Sanchez chap? If he were taken and Cassel had never been acquired, do you think we'd be better off, worse off or about the same?

Bewbies
12-23-2010, 06:02 PM
You could cover all the beaches in Florida with the sand coming out of everyone's giners in here.

Donger
12-23-2010, 06:05 PM
Oh again, one last question: Hamas or Mecca, would either of you remove either Haley or Pioli from their positions at the end of this year if that were within your power?

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-23-2010, 06:16 PM
A lot of it will depend on what the team does next year. If they backslide (which they could with a tougher schedule), and Cassel doesn't look like a solution at QB, I'd understand dropping the axe on Pioli. If Haley's players continue to play hard for him, I have no problem with his approach for the forseeable future.

Donger
12-23-2010, 06:23 PM
A lot of it will depend on what the team does next year. If they backslide (which they could with a tougher schedule), and Cassel doesn't look like a solution at QB, I'd understand dropping the axe on Pioli. If Haley's players continue to play hard for him, I have no problem with his approach for the forseeable future.

Thanks. And what about that Sanchez chap? Are you now of the opinion that the Chiefs made the correct decision not to go after him, or have you not made up your mind yet?

OnTheWarpath58
12-23-2010, 06:27 PM
A lot of it will depend on what the team does next year. If they backslide (which they could with a tougher schedule), and Cassel doesn't look like a solution at QB, I'd understand dropping the axe on Pioli. If Haley's players continue to play hard for him, I have no problem with his approach for the forseeable future.

24/5. /CP

BossChief
12-23-2010, 06:41 PM
I generally enjoy the takes of the draftabulators. They are wrong as much as the rest of us but are entertaining when they give their opinions.

For all the shit mecca gets on here, he doesnt really get into personal attacks...even when they are being fired at him left and right (which by the way he carries himself he basically asks for in certain instances). The bad part about him (and to some extent the group of "horsemen" or whatever) is that more times than not, they want to defend their positions on topics and allow that to effect their ability to fairly judge a situation. When mecca, specifically, is wrong about something you will almost never hear him own up to it. The list of examples to this are endless. That turns a "horseman" into a "jackass" and its fun to watch the planet explosion when it happens.

If they wanted us to draft a guy, that player can generally do no wrong and is given a long leash... where as if they didn't want us to draft somebody, they attempt to kill the players perception at every opportunity.

This isnt always true, but it is more than not.

Hamas gave this past draft a D rating and if it weren't for Asamoah and Berry being picked it would have been a F-when in fact even if we made average picks at those spots the draft would still have been a B and with them is a solid A. Its refreshing to see him get a dose of humility in the way he has changed his tune on the draft over the course of the year...we all cant be right all of the time.

I think this board is more enjoyable with mecca posting regularly for multiple reasons. He tries to act so "above everyone" that he makes a straight fool of himself often and its fun to point it out knowing he will tuck his tail but at the same time the guy knows as much about football as almost anyone on here and often gives a different perspective than you get from others and that creates more conversation which is good for the Planet.

But yeah, you are a fool if you believe that anything in real life is what is keeping the guy from posting on here. Dude has like 50,000,000 posts here and once we start winning and all of his predictions are looking like massive failure for the year, he is nowhere to be found.

predictable.

stevieray
12-23-2010, 06:47 PM
For all the shit mecca gets on here, he doesnt really get into personal attacks....
BS

BossChief
12-23-2010, 06:49 PM
Thanks. And what about that Sanchez chap? Are you now of the opinion that the Chiefs made the correct decision not to go after him, or have you not made up your mind yet?

If anyone has made their mind up on that debate (Cassel/Sanchez) yet, they arent very objective. I didnt want either annd look at this point to be wrong on at least one of them.

Sanchez has shown growth for the majority of his time in the league after only one year starting in college and will likely come into his own sometime next year. Cassel is growing by leaps and bounds with lesser weapons to work with, but is also already 28 and Sanchez is 24.

Who knows how much growth Sanchez would have taken under Weis as his position coach?

That will likely be a good ongoing debate for years on here.

Donger
12-23-2010, 06:50 PM
BS

I think Mecca told me that he wanted to punch me in the face once. However, that happens with curious frequency, so I could be mistaken.

JASONSAUTO
12-23-2010, 06:52 PM
Total bsBS
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Al Bundy
12-23-2010, 06:54 PM
Mecca has always been alright with me. Though Mark Sanchez can suck balls.

JASONSAUTO
12-23-2010, 06:55 PM
Look at atlanta's last three years. I would think that a good year followed by a bit of a backside would be acceptable. Maybe even expected somewhat. Pioli is getting his contract played out. IMO.A lot of it will depend on what the team does next year. If they backslide (which they could with a tougher schedule), and Cassel doesn't look like a solution at QB, I'd understand dropping the axe on Pioli. If Haley's players continue to play hard for him, I have no problem with his approach for the forseeable future.
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BossChief
12-23-2010, 06:57 PM
BS

Ive seen that guy be called every name in the book and can probably only find 5 instances that I can remember of him going into a direct personal attack. Not saying it doesnt happen at all, but when it does its usually after many personal insults have been directed at him by that specific poster.

He attacks "true fans" just as much as people attack "drafturbators" but when he does so its usually a generalization.

He should post the conversations in PM he and I had during the CP mock...I hit homerun after homerun on the players I said I would pick at his spots when asked my opinion on them. :evil:

It would probably be hard to find 10 posts of him making a personal attack.

BossChief
12-23-2010, 07:00 PM
There is no way in hell Pioli isn't here in 3 years.

none

JASONSAUTO
12-23-2010, 07:03 PM
Is calling someone a retard a "personal attack" in your opinion?Ive seen that guy be called every name in the book and can probably only find 5 instances that I can remember of him going into a direct personal attack. Not saying it doesnt happen at all, but when it does its usually after many personal insults have been directed at him by that specific poster.

He attacks "true fans" just as much as people attack "drafturbators" but when he does so its usually a generalization.

He should post the conversations in PM he and I had during the CP mock...I hit homerun after homerun on the players I said I would pick at his spots when asked my opinion on them. :evil:

It would probably be hard to find 10 posts of him making a personal attack.
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SNR
12-23-2010, 07:05 PM
How about Pioli and Haley?

It seems like the addition of Crennel and Weis were good moves, yes? If so, isn't Pioli responsible for those moves?

I saw that Haley is up for coach of the year honors. I could be wrong, but I wouldn't think that he would be up for such an honor if he sucked.

What say you, Draftabulators? Would you agree with those two examples?Don't you have something else to be doing? Like pussing out and cheering for the Broncos just because your son does?

BossChief
12-23-2010, 07:11 PM
Is calling someone a retard a "personal attack" in your opinion?
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Depends on who its used on, I guess.

No offense, but I think some of the posters here are literally mentally retarded.

I often wonder about some of the members here... (this is in no way directed at you in any way man, you're ok in my book)

I enjoy it when a full blown WW breaks out on here. That is when the Planet is at its best IMO.

JASONSAUTO
12-23-2010, 07:18 PM
Well ill just say that I have a mentally disabled daughter. I take offense to someone calling people that. And to tell someone that and just expect the decency to just not use it and to still throw it around.... Yeah fuck him. And its funny how many times he's said he would like to hit someone them when you offer to let him try and her cries like a bitch.


And you may like that he goes on and on and on about how he knows and if you disagree you are a true fan or hear that "this fanbase" bullshit, and then to not come around. But I think that makes him a bitch, sorry if you disagreeDepends on who its usevd on, I guess.

No offense, but I think some of the posters here are literally mentally retarded.

I often wonder about some of the members here... (this is in no way directed at you in any way man, you're ok in my book)

I enjoy it when a full blown WW breaks out on here. That is when the Planet is at its best IMO.
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Pioli Zombie
12-23-2010, 07:22 PM
I gaurantee you that the Chiefs could go to the Super Bowl this year and if they lose by 1 point he will be right back here saying "See I told you"

KurtCobain
12-23-2010, 07:26 PM
I gaurantee you that the Chiefs could go to the Super Bowl this year and if they lose by 1 point he will be right back here saying "See I told you"

Well, he did.

SNR
12-23-2010, 07:28 PM
Umm... did some of you guys read this thread? His posting tailed off in May, long before the Chiefs started improving anything

BossChief
12-23-2010, 07:30 PM
Well ill just say that I have a mentally disabled daughter. I take offense to someone calling people that. And to tell someone that and just expect the decency to just not use it and to still throw it around.... Yeah **** him. And its funny how many times he's said he would like to hit someone them when you offer to let him try and her cries like a bitch.


And you may like that he goes on and on and on about how he knows and if you disagree you are a true fan or hear that "this fanbase" bullshit, and then to not come around. But I think that makes him a bitch, sorry if you disagree
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I knew that and its why I treaded lightly on the issue.

The fact is there are a lot of posters here that take numerous shots at the guy and its rare when he resorts to name calling to respond...that doesn't mean it never happens. I never said he was a class act by any means, he is a self absorbed, egotistical, know it all who thinks he is always right and just moves on without acknowledging it when he is wrong (and its quite often TBH) and that is a bad character flaw that I have pointed out to him on numerous occasions.

mecca is like the bizarro KnowMo (except neither watches the games)

JASONSAUTO
12-23-2010, 07:30 PM
Lol.Umm... did some of you guys read this thread? His posting tailed off in May, long before the Chiefs started improving anything
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BossChief
12-23-2010, 07:31 PM
I gaurantee you that the Jets could go to the Super Bowl this year and if they win by 1 point he will be right back here saying "See I told you"

FYP :evil:

JASONSAUTO
12-23-2010, 07:33 PM
Ill just say this, and you can go see if you want, I don't resort to calling names or even disrespect until someone comes that way... Even in real life. Lol I'm the guy who doesn't talk, if you know what I mean.... That's why I had a hard time at first here.I knew that and its why I treaded lightly on the issue.

The fact is there are a lot of posters here that take numerous shots at the guy and its rare when he resorts to name calling to respond...that doesn't mean it never happens. I never said he was a class act by any means, he is a self absorbed, egotistical, know it all who thinks he is always right and just moves on without acknowledging it when he is wrong (and its quite often TBH) and that is a bad character flaw that I have pointed out to him on numerous occasions.

mecca is like the bizarro KnowMo (except neither watches the games)
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SNR
12-23-2010, 07:33 PM
Lol.
Posted via Mobile DeviceAnd...?

Posted via punching keys with my enormous penis

JASONSAUTO
12-23-2010, 07:34 PM
And...?

Posted via punching keys with my enormous penis
And....lol what?
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Pioli Zombie
12-23-2010, 07:35 PM
Hopefully he's been tied up in a basement with a red ball in his mouth getting fucked up the ass by two big hillbillies

Donger
12-23-2010, 07:39 PM
Don't you have something else to be doing? Like pussing out and cheering for the Broncos just because your son does?

LMAO

My son is free to cheer for whichever team he wants, yes.

BossChief
12-23-2010, 07:43 PM
Ill just say this, and you can go see if you want, I don't resort to calling names or even disrespect until someone comes that way... Even in real life. Lol I'm the guy who doesn't talk, if you know what I mean.... That's why I had a hard time at first here.
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I know, thats why you were one of the first I sent a friend request to here. More so than not, I am the same way. Im a pretty big guy (6'4 245) and I dont usually talk unless Im about to do something and by that point my mind is already made up.

I guess what Im saying is that mecca is more in line with OTWP or Deez than Hamas or Dane in that he is mostly a mellow poster and doesn't generally just go after a posters throat right off the bat. Once he is provoced a few times by the same person, he starts to respond with attacks, but he usually isnt the guy to start that line of conversation. At least from my time here and my experiences.

SNR
12-23-2010, 07:43 PM
LMAO

My son is free to cheer for whichever team he wants, yes.Probably made the right decision, as long as you teach him to grin and bear it while the Broncos are playing terrible football. We don't want another Knowmo in this world.

BossChief
12-23-2010, 07:45 PM
haha

KnowMo cant watch the games because he knows his team is gonna get its ass kicked

mecca cant watch the games because he knows the team will play well

weird



(this may or may not be true, but its sure does seem that way)

Donger
12-23-2010, 07:45 PM
Probably made the right decision, as long as you teach him to grin and bear it while the Broncos are playing terrible football. We don't want another Knowmo in this world.

I basically use it is a method of mental torture. In a gentle, paternal kind of way. Although the game here in Denver against the Chiefs sucked, since my wife joined in.

-King-
12-23-2010, 07:46 PM
Didn't they like the Lewis pick?

LMAO Hell no. Only pick they liked was the Berry and Asomoah one. They hated the Lilja pick up because he was shitty and had bad knees. They hated the Thomas Jones pick up and Hamas said he'd rather have Mike Bell. They thought Clausen should have been the #1 overall pick and that he was much better than Bradford. They thought Bruce Campbell was worth a 1st round pick. They thought that Pollard would have been a better safety than Lewis. That we'd allow 300 yards rushing a game because of our terrible run D.


Just a few off my head. :)

Reerun_KC
12-23-2010, 07:48 PM
24/5. /CP

Just like we endured your countless 200 is the new 400 in the nfl posts...

Funny thing is, most teams with winning records this year QB's are closer to 200 than 400....

BossChief
12-23-2010, 07:51 PM
I wanted Bradford since 2009 and he was the reason I wanted us to wait on a QB and didnt want Cassel or Sanchez. I thought he would have additional motivation playing for a team thats name has native american tone, while he himself is part native american...also I pointed out numerous times how his accuracy was the best of any college quarterback Id ever seen that has the rest of the NFL tools.

That said, I think Clausen will surprise a lot of people here with his talent over time and a big reason the drafturbators hated the idea of Bradford is because of versatility and he is only one year into his career. Jimmy can surely develop into a special player in this league, hopefully the Panthers trade him to a team that will start and continue to develop him because I dont think that team has the tools in place to do so.

Hopefully he is able to stay healthy because the league needs more players like him.

Same goes for Moeaki.

-King-
12-23-2010, 07:55 PM
I wanted Bradford since 2009 and he was the reason I wanted us to wait on a QB and didnt want Cassel or Sanchez. I thought he would have additional motivation playing for a team thats name has native american tone, while he himself is part native american...also I pointed out numerous times how his accuracy was the best of any college quarterback Id ever seen that has the rest of the NFL tools.

That said, I think Clausen will surprise a lot of people here with his talent over time and a big reason the drafturbators hated the idea of Bradford is because of versatility and he is only one year into his career. Jimmy can surely develop into a special player in this league, hopefully the Panthers trade him to a team that will start and continue to develop him because I dont think that team has the tools in place to do so.


....Unless they draft Luck...

JASONSAUTO
12-23-2010, 07:55 PM
Funny thing, I can take hamas, deez, and dane. The other two........I know, thats why you were one of the first I sent a friend request to here. More so than not, I am the same way. Im a pretty big guy (6'4 245) and I dont usually talk unless Im about to do something and by that point my mind is already made up.

I guess what Im saying is that mecca is more in line with OTWP or Deez than Hamas or Dane in that he is mostly a mellow poster and doesn't generally just go after a posters throat right off the bat. Once he is provoced a few times by the same person, he starts to respond with attacks, but he usually isnt the guy to start that line of conversation. At least from my time here and my experiences.
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stevieray
12-23-2010, 07:57 PM
It would probably be hard to find 10 posts of him making a personal attack.

BS

BossChief
12-23-2010, 08:02 PM
....Unless they draft Luck...I dont think it matters where that kid goes TBH. I see him as the next Steve Young that could probably flourish in about any system.

Mark this post down wherever you want...

I would trade a first rounder AND Matt Cassel for Andrew Luck OR Sam Bradford.

I think Jimmy is a different kind of player. He needs to go into the right situation with a staff that can humble him a bit and make him work at it, but I feel he has the same ceiling as the others if he is in the right situation...if that makes sense.

Clausen would have been worth our top pick due (JMO) to his history with our staff and knowledge of our specific offense, that is if we were in the market for a quarterback at the time. Obviously we werent. I wouldnt make the same trade for him as I would for the other two.

Funny thing, I can take hamas, deez, and dane. The other two........
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You guys hold grudges and argue the poster back and forth instead of the topic IMO.

BossChief
12-23-2010, 08:05 PM
BS

Of him going personal without being provoked by a poster going personal with an attack on him multiple times beforehand??

I think it would be hard to find 10 instances of such (during the time I have been a member here), but I may be wrong.

JASONSAUTO
12-23-2010, 08:07 PM
Lol I can punch c someone up and be friends tomorrow... But don't talk shit and not back it up I'll hate you forever lolI dont think it matters where that kid goes TBH. I see him as the next Steve Young that could probably flourish in about any system.

Mark this post down wherever you want...

I would trade a first rounder AND Matt Cassel for Andrew Luck OR Sam Bradford.

I think Jimmy is a different kind of player. He needs to go into the right situation with a staff that can humble him a bit and make him work at it, but I feel he has the same ceiling as the others if he is in the right situation...if that makes sense.

Clausen would have been worth our top pick due (JMO) to his history with our staff and knowledge of our specific offense, that is if we were in the market for a quarterback at the time. Obviously we werent. I wouldnt make the same trade for him as I would for the other two.



You guys hold grudges and argue the poster back and forth instead of the topic IMO.
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BossChief
12-23-2010, 08:10 PM
Lol I can punch c someone up and be friends tomorrow... But don't talk shit and not back it up I'll hate you forever lol
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100% agree. My best friend in the world and I have been in about 10 full blown brawls and I would trust him with anything...the way mecca acts is why he is disrespected in the manner he is.

Sully
12-23-2010, 08:14 PM
It's interesting to see people conflate Mecca, Hamas, OTWP, and Dane.
Their opinions often match (but not always), but their posting styles are all completely different.
I think they all, individually, take crap as if they are all the same poster.

I don't always agree with their approach. But those guys, even when wrong, come with an opinion backed up by study, stats, and facts, which I'd take every day of the week over a ton of posters who may have the same "edge," but don't have the depth and "meat" to what they are talking about.


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Mecca
12-23-2010, 08:27 PM
I still watch all of the games, I still watch college and follow prospects, just because I haven't had as much time to sit down and post 100 times a day doesn't mean I'm following the game any less.

I just find the thread funny because my posts have been tailing for a good 7 months now, I popped in here after the Grienke trade because I wanted to see the overall thoughts on that.

The Chiefs have had a solid year, I dunno how that really has much to do with me, if I really did what you guys accuse me of wouldn't you think I'd have been here after the Broncos or Chargers road games?

SNR
12-23-2010, 08:28 PM
It's interesting to see people conflate Mecca, Hamas, OTWP, and Dane.
Their opinions often match (but not always), but their posting styles are all completely different.
I think they all, individually, take crap as if they are all the same poster.

I don't always agree with their approach. But those guys, even when wrong, come with an opinion backed up by study, stats, and facts, which I'd take every day of the week over a ton of posters who may have the same "edge," but don't have the depth and "meat" to what they are talking about.


Sent from my Lite Brite using TapatalkAgree. People can claim they wanted the Chiefs to do poorly this year all they want, but I really can't recall a single convincing argument in the offseason of why the Chiefs were going to win 9+ games this year.

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googlegoogle
12-23-2010, 08:34 PM
someone loves you

Bill Parcells
12-23-2010, 08:39 PM
I don't think the trial of Mecca was ever finished. isn't it still in recess? Rainman was the judge, and gochiefs was the prosecutor, and banyon was his defense attorney. I guess they would know.

I still fucking laugh over getting a pm from ''court clerk2'' telling me I had been selected for the jury pool ROFL

JASONSAUTO
12-23-2010, 08:39 PM
Lol and now you have answered your self....100% agree. My best friend in the world and I have been in about 10 full blown brawls and I would trust him with anything...the way mecca acts is why he is disrespected in the manner he is.
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BossChief
12-23-2010, 08:39 PM
I still watch all of the games, I still watch college and follow prospects, just because I haven't had as much time to sit down and post 100 times a day doesn't mean I'm following the game any less.

I just find the thread funny because my posts have been tailing for a good 7 months now, I popped in here after the Grienke trade because I wanted to see the overall thoughts on that.

The Chiefs have had a solid year, I dunno how that really has much to do with me, if I really did what you guys accuse me of wouldn't you think I'd have been here after the Broncos or Chargers road games?

We were kind of surprised that you didnt.

:p

Really though man, give up on this whole "real life called" bull. Nobody is buying it. Most of us hold down full time jobs and families and still take limited time to post from time to time and you have more posts per day than ANYONE on the planet. Im not buying the claim that y real life called at the same time we are having one of the better years in recent memory during a year you expected 5 wins or so. NOBODY is right all of the time, but it shows a persons character in how they deal with adversity and you seem to go into the fetal position more than Damon Huard when he smells a pass rusher.

Like Ive said to ya time and again, if you just owned your fails and not put on this 'better than everyone' bull, people wouldn't be so reluctant to give you credit for your good takes and wouldnt be such a big bunch of pricks to you when you are wrong.

Agree. People can claim they wanted the Chiefs to do poorly this year all they want, but I really can't recall a single convincing argument in the offseason of why the Chiefs were going to win 9+ games this year.

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http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=232610

Take the "8 or 9 games" part with Cassel having a bad year and put in the current play of Cassel and you have what may well materialize...an 11 win season.

KurtCobain
12-23-2010, 08:42 PM
I don't think the trial of Mecca was ever finished. isn't it still in recess? Rainman was the judge, and gochiefs was the prosecutor, and banyon was his defense attorney. I guess they would know.

I still ****ing laugh over getting a pm from ''court clerk2'' telling me I had been selected for the jury pool ROFL

That was classic.

SNR
12-23-2010, 08:45 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=232610

Take the "8 or 9 games" part with Cassel having a bad year and put in the current play of Cassel and you have what may well materialize...an 11 win season.You are indeed wise. But keep in mind, this was also during preseason, when our running game was starting to get going.

But everything else... man... especially that DJ, Belcher, Shaun Smith call. Kudos to you, sir.

doomy3
12-23-2010, 08:54 PM
I still watch all of the games, I still watch college and follow prospects, just because I haven't had as much time to sit down and post 100 times a day doesn't mean I'm following the game any less.

I just find the thread funny because my posts have been tailing for a good 7 months now, I popped in here after the Grienke trade because I wanted to see the overall thoughts on that.

The Chiefs have had a solid year, I dunno how that really has much to do with me, if I really did what you guys accuse me of wouldn't you think I'd have been here after the Broncos or Chargers road games?

You were here after the Broncos road game. You were talking shit on Haley for not shaking McDaniels' hand and somehow equated it to "The Right 53."

In fact, that is one of the only games where you showed up afterwards, not surprisingly.

kstater
12-23-2010, 08:59 PM
You were here after the Broncos road game. You were talking shit on Haley for not shaking McDaniels' hand and somehow equated it to "The Right 53."

In fact, that is one of the only games where you showed up afterwards, not surprisingly.

It was just the one day that Life was put on hold for him.

doomy3
12-23-2010, 09:00 PM
It was just the one day that Life was put on hold for him.

Well, it was only a few days before Thanksgiving. Who is busy during that time?

Sully
12-23-2010, 09:00 PM
We were kind of surprised that you didnt.

:p

Really though man, give up on this whole "real life called" bull. Nobody is buying it. Most of us hold down full time jobs and families and still take limited time to post from time to time and you have more posts per day than ANYONE on the planet. Im not buying the claim that y real life called at the same time we are having one of the better years in recent memory during a year you expected 5 wins or so. NOBODY is right all of the time, but it shows a persons character in how they deal with adversity and you seem to go into the fetal position more than Damon Huard when he smells a pass rusher.

Like Ive said to ya time and again, if you just owned your fails and not put on this 'better than everyone' bull, people wouldn't be so reluctant to give you credit for your good takes and wouldnt be such a big bunch of pricks to you when you are wrong.



http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=232610

Take the "8 or 9 games" part with Cassel having a bad year and put in the current play of Cassel and you have what may well materialize...an 11 win season.

I agree with this, Mecca.
I've defended you in the past, but no one is buying the "too busy" thing, and bowing out sure as hell looks more like copping out, at this point.


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JASONSAUTO
12-23-2010, 09:06 PM
Lol just like always he has inserted foot into mouth.You were here after the Broncos road game. You were talking shit on Haley for not shaking McDaniels' hand and somehow equated it to "The Right 53."

In fact, that is one of the only games where you showed up afterwards, not surprisingly.
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Mecca
12-23-2010, 09:06 PM
Would you like me to make time to post or something? Sorry I don't mind the place but anymore the majority of the board dislikes me so I have little desire to make sure I check in everyday. When I'm sitting here doing nothing, sure, but it isn't some priority of mine to be here everyday.

Pioli Zombie
12-23-2010, 09:13 PM
I would like to hear Meccas take on the fading Patriots dynasty and their horrible drafting compared to the stellar Packer organization.

Sully
12-23-2010, 09:48 PM
Would you like me to make time to post or something? Sorry I don't mind the place but anymore the majority of the board dislikes me so I have little desire to make sure I check in everyday. When I'm sitting here doing nothing, sure, but it isn't some priority of mine to be here everyday.

I get that, but it's not like no one liking you is a new thing. It never stopped you before.
Really, I don't care what you do. I think you add a lot here. I only agree with roughly 50% of what you say (at most), but (for the most part) I think your opinions are based on legit stuff. I'm not telling you how to adjust your posting style.

But I'm not buying the fact that you're too busy. I think the fact that you're tired of being the whipping boy is probably closer to the truth.


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SNR
12-23-2010, 10:05 PM
I would like to hear Meccas take on the fading Patriots dynasty and their horrible drafting compared to the stellar Packer organization.I'm with Mecca 100% on the Packers. They're a team that does (nearly) everything right personnel-wise.

Look at their linebackers. Desman Bishop and Frank Zombo? Who the fuck are those guys? Drafting Clay Matthews before Maualuga and Cushing? Even years ago that Nick Barnett pick has steadily kept that defense good even through several tough years of inexperienced young guys.

You do get the occasional Ahmad Carroll and Justin Harrel, but you also get guys like BJ Raji, Clay Matthews, AJ Hawk, Aaron Rodgers, and Nick Barnett. That's all since Ted Thompson took over that team.

That's a solid team, and the very instant that Mike McCarthy gets his head out of his ass and starts to figure out the intricacies of being a coach on gameday, they'll be challenging for the Super Bowl every year. That, and it wouldn't hurt to pick up some depth at safety and RB.

SNR
12-23-2010, 10:10 PM
Oops. Ted Thompson took over in 2005. Mike Sherman was the GM following Ron Wolf, not Thompson. Even then, Ron Wolf drafted Nick Barnett, not (what I thought was) Ted Thompson.

The Bad Guy
12-23-2010, 10:28 PM
Would you like me to make time to post or something? Sorry I don't mind the place but anymore the majority of the board dislikes me so I have little desire to make sure I check in everyday. When I'm sitting here doing nothing, sure, but it isn't some priority of mine to be here everyday.

The board disliked you for a long time and you were still here plugging away when this team was pure shit.

It's like your ambition to post has gone away now that the Chiefs are actually competitive and not what you invisioned.

Mecca
12-23-2010, 10:32 PM
I'd like to know how that makes any fuckin sense when my posting dropped off well before the season.

That'd make all the sense in the world if my post count dropped off in October, it dropped in May and has stayed low.

doomy3
12-23-2010, 10:37 PM
I'd like to know how that makes any ****in sense when my posting dropped off well before the season.

That'd make all the sense in the world if my post count dropped off in October, it dropped in May and has stayed low.

You may want to run a quick search on your posts before you repeat this another time. You were posting daily until November. Then you disappeared when it looked like the Chiefs had a legitimate shot at the playoffs.

Pioli Zombie
12-23-2010, 10:37 PM
Yeah, the Packers have sure dominated the league over the last 10 years with all those playoff wins and championships. Their 8-6 record is something the Patriots can only hope to emulate someday.

SNR
12-23-2010, 10:39 PM
You may want to run a quick search on your posts before you repeat this another time. You were posting daily until November. Then you disappeared when it looked like the Chiefs had a legitimate shot at the playoffs.The Chiefs had a legitimate shot after the 49ers game. Lots of things were clicking. Mecca would have left long before November if he was that embarrassed

jjchieffan
12-23-2010, 10:41 PM
It's interesting to see people conflate Mecca, Hamas, OTWP, and Dane.
Their opinions often match (but not always), but their posting styles are all completely different.
I think they all, individually, take crap as if they are all the same poster.

I don't always agree with their approach. But those guys, even when wrong, come with an opinion backed up by study, stats, and facts, which I'd take every day of the week over a ton of posters who may have the same "edge," but don't have the depth and "meat" to what they are talking about.


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I'm not sure why OTW58 is getting lumped in this argument. He is a draftubator, but his posting is not like the other 3 guys at all. The reason why people can't stand Mecca, Dane, and Hamas is simple. Nobody likes a know it all, and that is exactly what they are. They presume to know more about the Chiefs and the talent that is available than anyone. Not just those of us who post here, but, the team staff. Somehow, they think that what they have seen and read on someone is enough to form an opinion superior to the people who make a living watching all of these players play and workout year around. And if you disagree with one of them, they attack you and call you names. Hamas will even tell you to kill yourself. He is by far the worst, he makes Mecca look like Mother Theresa. If Hamas quit posting, I doubt anyone would even care.

KCwolf
12-23-2010, 10:43 PM
I'm not sure why OTW58 is getting lumped in this argument. He is a draftubator, but his posting is not like the other 3 guys at all. The reason why people can't stand Mecca, Dane, and Hamas is simple. Nobody likes a know it all, and that is exactly what they are. They presume to know more about the Chiefs and the talent that is available than anyone. Not just those of us who post here, but, the team staff. Somehow, they think that what they have seen and read on someone is enough to form an opinion superior to the people who make a living watching all of these players play and workout year around. And if you disagree with one of them, they attack you and call you names. Hamas will even tell you to kill yourself. He is by far the worst, he makes Mecca look like Mother Theresa. If Hamas quit posting, I doubt anyone would even care.

We Have a BINGO

SNR
12-23-2010, 10:43 PM
I'm not sure why OTW58 is getting lumped in this argument. He is a draftubator, but his posting is not like the other 3 guys at all. The reason why people can't stand Mecca, Dane, and Hamas is simple. Nobody likes a know it all, and that is exactly what they are. They presume to know more about the Chiefs and the talent that is available than anyone. Not just those of us who post here, but, the team staff. Somehow, they think that what they have seen and read on someone is enough to form an opinion superior to the people who make a living watching all of these players play and workout year around. And if you disagree with one of them, they attack you and call you names. Hamas will even tell you to kill yourself. He is by far the worst, he makes Mecca look like Mother Theresa. If Hamas quit posting, I doubt anyone would even care.Kill yourself

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-23-2010, 10:44 PM
I'm not sure why OTW58 is getting lumped in this argument. He is a draftubator, but his posting is not like the other 3 guys at all. The reason why people can't stand Mecca, Dane, and Hamas is simple. Nobody likes a know it all, and that is exactly what they are. They presume to know more about the Chiefs and the talent that is available than anyone. Not just those of us who post here, but, the team staff. Somehow, they think that what they have seen and read on someone is enough to form an opinion superior to the people who make a living watching all of these players play and workout year around. And if you disagree with one of them, they attack you and call you names. Hamas will even tell you to kill yourself. He is by far the worst, he makes Mecca look like Mother Theresa. If Hamas quit posting, I doubt anyone would even care.

Kill yourself.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-23-2010, 10:45 PM
Kill yourself

This.

Bill Parcells
12-23-2010, 10:46 PM
Kill yourself.

ROFL

I actually liked when you said you would rather have your asshole cauterized shut than to have Herm Edwards as the Chiefs coach.

Sully
12-23-2010, 10:47 PM
I'm not sure why OTW58 is getting lumped in this argument. He is a draftubator, but his posting is not like the other 3 guys at all. The reason why people can't stand Mecca, Dane, and Hamas is simple. Nobody likes a know it all, and that is exactly what they are. They presume to know more about the Chiefs and the talent that is available than anyone. Not just those of us who post here, but, the team staff. Somehow, they think that what they have seen and read on someone is enough to form an opinion superior to the people who make a living watching all of these players play and workout year around. And if you disagree with one of them, they attack you and call you names. Hamas will even tell you to kill yourself. He is by far the worst, he makes Mecca look like Mother Theresa. If Hamas quit posting, I doubt anyone would even care.

Hamas is one of the top 2-3 posters on this site.
But... You know... Different strokes, and all that.

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kysirsoze
12-23-2010, 10:48 PM
I'm not sure why OTW58 is getting lumped in this argument. He is a draftubator, but his posting is not like the other 3 guys at all. The reason why people can't stand Mecca, Dane, and Hamas is simple. Nobody likes a know it all, and that is exactly what they are. They presume to know more about the Chiefs and the talent that is available than anyone. Not just those of us who post here, but, the team staff. Somehow, they think that what they have seen and read on someone is enough to form an opinion superior to the people who make a living watching all of these players play and workout year around. And if you disagree with one of them, they attack you and call you names. Hamas will even tell you to kill yourself. He is by far the worst, he makes Mecca look like Mother Theresa. If Hamas quit posting, I doubt anyone would even care.

I would. Not that I always agree with his takes, but I always agree with him telling people to kill themselves. Solid poster.

Bill Parcells
12-23-2010, 10:49 PM
I'm not sure why OTW58 is getting lumped in this argument. He is a draftubator, but his posting is not like the other 3 guys at all. The reason why people can't stand Mecca, Dane, and Hamas is simple. Nobody likes a know it all, and that is exactly what they are. They presume to know more about the Chiefs and the talent that is available than anyone. Not just those of us who post here, but, the team staff. Somehow, they think that what they have seen and read on someone is enough to form an opinion superior to the people who make a living watching all of these players play and workout year around. And if you disagree with one of them, they attack you and call you names. Hamas will even tell you to kill yourself. He is by far the worst, he makes Mecca look like Mother Theresa. If Hamas quit posting, I doubt anyone would even care.

I like Hamas, I think he''s always been one of the best posters on here. he's a stubborn mofo, but knows his football. and his fucking rants are all time classics.

who are you again?

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-23-2010, 10:50 PM
ROFL

I actually liked when you said you would rather have your asshole cauterized shut than to have Herm Edwards as the Chiefs coach.

I'd rather rip those j's off of jjchiefs' name, sharpen the tips, wrap them in Concertina wire, and use them as an anal speculum than listen to another paragraph of his butthurt drivel.

Reaper16
12-23-2010, 10:50 PM
My biggest problem with the "drafturbator-haters?" 85% of those posters either would never give a football take themselves or would be unable to defend their positions with any sort of tangible evidence or logical reasoning. At least guys like chiefzilla or Saul Good or Saccopoo, hell even B_Ambuehl, defended their takes. Most of the people on this board had nothing by way of argument outside of hope. No matter how you feel about the drafturbators, at least they make arguments.

stevieray
12-23-2010, 10:50 PM
I like Hamas, I think he''s always been one of the best posters on here. he's a stubborn mofo, but knows his football. and his ****ing rants are all time classics.

who are you again?

STFU, noobs.

Brock
12-23-2010, 10:51 PM
jj, quit whining, this isn't a homer board. Go to WIPE if you want that.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-23-2010, 10:51 PM
My biggest problem with the "drafturbator-haters?" 85% of those posters either would never give a football take themselves or would be unable to defend their positions with any sort of tangible evidence or logical reasoning. At least guys like chiefzilla or Saul Good or Saccopoo, hell even B_Ambuehl, defended their takes. Most of the people on this board had nothing by way of argument outside of hope. No matter how you feel about the drafturbators, at least they make arguments.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mUDzDbevInU/SdJooi-oX9I/AAAAAAAAAco/5iuJmVZBPV8/s400/CookieMagnet_Tagalongs.jpg

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-23-2010, 10:55 PM
Let me break this down real simple for you:

At the root of everything, this board is just like High School. When the Chiefs were abjectly horrible, it was far more fashionable to be a "hater" than a True Fan. Now that the team is showing promise, it's far more acceptable to trust everything the admin feeds you than to question the goings on. Why the hell do you think we have so many pile-ons (not only about football, of course)?

There are a lot of interesting, and complex, individual arguments therein, but at its heart, that's what it boils down to.

Dave Lane
12-23-2010, 11:06 PM
They also saw the schedule before the season started and would ridicule the shit out of anyone who said we would win more than 5 games.

I said in July I thought there was a good chance we could start the season 3-0 and got posted up as an epic true fan. Got 9 weeks in Danes sig.

SNR
12-23-2010, 11:17 PM
I said in July I thought there was a good chance we could start the season 3-0 and got posted up as an epic true fan. Got 9 weeks in Danes sig.Did you foresee the collapse of the Niners? The effectiveness of a Charles/Jones backfield? Was the defense really going to be THIS good? Did you see rain in the forecast two months prior? How about not only zero injuries for Moeaki, but also some really high quality TE play? How about Casey being this good? Lilja?

I'll give you the short-leashed play-not-to-lose style of QBing from Cassel. I DID see that coming, and actually thought he would do quite well at it. Even then, he still threw some picks, but erased those as the season went on. But I'm just talking about the first three games.

That's what I mean. I'm going to post that Kerry Collins is going to have such a tough time against this Chiefs D that he gets shell-shocked in the game like Jim Everett. Does that mean I'm a genius if that happens on Sunday? No it doesn't. It means that I can throw up some shit on the wall and if it sticks and forms a nice little mural of a cat raping a bird, whoopee!

It's like playing pool with somebody who makes slop shots all the time and then thinks he's a good pool player at the end of the game. It gets kind of annoying, and I can see where the drafturbators are coming from when arguments about certain prospects or predictions about the next season go nowhere.

BossChief
12-23-2010, 11:25 PM
I don't trust every move this regime does, but they have earned what equates to "the benefit of the doubt" after the way they conducted themselves this past off-season.

After the abomination of the 2009 offseason and the brilliance of the 2010 offseason, this upcoming offseason will tell us a lot about which was the anomaly and which was what we should expect in future. Hopefully, we have seen a glimpse of how this team will be built and that we will continue to build this roster with talent that can help us take the next step as a franchise.

Lets hope Tyson Jackson can grow into a solid starter so that 2009 offseason doesn't end up netting us a kicker and a quarterback. If he does, the replacement for Vrabel will be walking into a nice situation in which he has a good chance to excel.

BossChief
12-23-2010, 11:28 PM
How about not only zero injuries for Moeaki, but also some really high quality TE play?

there was this one poster that said over and over this would be the case...being that none of his injuries in college would cause future injury ramifications as they were all broken bones that once healed are stronger than before the injury.

OnTheWarpath58
12-23-2010, 11:29 PM
I don't trust every move this regime does, but they have earned what equates to "the benefit of the doubt" after the way they conducted themselves this past off-season.

After the abomination of the 2009 offseason and the brilliance of the 2010 offseason, this upcoming offseason will tell us a lot about which was the anomaly and which was what we should expect in future. Hopefully, we have seen a glimpse of how this team will be built and that we will continue to build this roster with talent that can help us take the next step as a franchise.

Lets hope Tyson Jackson can grow into a solid starter so that 2009 offseason doesn't end up netting us a kicker and a quarterback. If he does, the replacement for Vrabel will be walking into a nice situation in which he has a good chance to excel.

Agreed.

Though it is sad that we have to lower our expectations of the 3rd overall pick to "solid starter."

Can't help but wonder where this team would be right now, and how great they'd be set up for the future had we not whiffed on that pick.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-23-2010, 11:29 PM
there was this one poster that said over and over this would be the case...being that none of his injuries in college would cause future injury ramifications as they were all broken bones that once healed are stronger than before the injury.

People who get injured in HS and college tend to get injured in the pros. 13/14 games played and significant sections of PS missed doesn't make you Nostradamus or James Andrews.

KurtCobain
12-23-2010, 11:38 PM
Agreed.

Though it is sad that we have to lower our expectations of the 3rd overall pick to "solid starter."

Can't help but wonder where this team would be right now, and how great they'd be set up for the future had we not whiffed on that pick.

You may have posted it before, but what would you've liked to see done with the pick?

doomy3
12-23-2010, 11:46 PM
Let me break this down real simple for you:

At the root of everything, this board is just like High School. When the Chiefs were abjectly horrible, it was far more fashionable to be a "hater" than a True Fan. Now that the team is showing promise, it's far more acceptable to trust everything the admin feeds you than to question the goings on. Why the hell do you think we have so many pile-ons (not only about football, of course)?

There are a lot of interesting, and complex, individual arguments therein, but at its heart, that's what it boils down to.

I'll definitely agree with this.

OnTheWarpath58
12-23-2010, 11:49 PM
You may have posted it before, but what would you've liked to see done with the pick?

At the time, my preference was to take Sanchez as insurance for Cassel, or deal him.

Had you told me at the time we were taking Tyson Jackson, I would have been cool with literally any other player being discussed.

Example: I didn't want Aaron Curry, but if given a choice between him and Jackson pre-draft, give me Curry.

If pre-draft, you had given this entire board a list of the guys that eventually were picked in R1, and asked them "would you rather have Tyson Jackson or _____" with each of the other 31 picks - I can't see a single person picking Jackson.

Short Leash Hootie
12-23-2010, 11:50 PM
everytime I see the word drafturbator used, I just HAVE to pat myself on the back

OnTheWarpath58
12-23-2010, 11:51 PM
everytime I see the word drafturbator used, I just HAVE to pay myself on the back

You should get royalties.

Short Leash Hootie
12-23-2010, 11:51 PM
I thought the general consensus on Jackson was he was 15-20 value...not 3

either way

If Cassel ends up being a franchise caliber QB (dane thinks he will), we won 2009 and it wasn't even close.

It all hinges on Cassel...not Tyson Jackson. If Cassel works out the Jackson pick is forgiven.

Bill Parcells
12-23-2010, 11:53 PM
everytime I see the word drafturbator used, I just HAVE to pay myself on the back

Did you coin that phrase? lol

Why did you change your name?

The Bad Guy
12-23-2010, 11:54 PM
Shocker. Mecca now has all the time in the world during what is typically the busiest days of the year for some.

Short Leash Hootie
12-23-2010, 11:54 PM
Did you coin that phrase? lol

Why did you change your name?

of course AND I like this name better

BossChief
12-23-2010, 11:54 PM
Agreed.

Though it is sad that we have to lower our expectations of the 3rd overall pick to "solid starter."

Can't help but wonder where this team would be right now, and how great they'd be set up for the future had we not whiffed on that pick.It sucks to know that if Orakpo was that pick, this defense would be a NT away from being on of the elite ones in the NFL.

YA HEAR THAT MECCA?

ORAKPO

JKA

People who get injured in HS and college tend to get injured in the pros. 13/14 games played and significant sections of PS missed doesn't make you Nostradamus or James Andrews.

I agree most of the time with the fact that players that get injured in college tend to follow that up with an injury riddled NFL career, but the reason he went so high was a combination of talent (that nobody doubts anymore and I listed over and over in great detail of exactly how his talent would equate including hands, feel for the game against zones, blocking ability, toughness, clutch ability etc.) and the fact that none of his previous injuries are ones that lingered long term or caused concern they would be a problem in the future. Broken bones aren't a cause for concern. Its also how he got them injured that were total flukes that wouldn't happen if you redid the plays 100 more times.

I may be a bit of a homer, but the two players I went on and on about last (from Iowa) were Moeaki and Angerer and both were redrafted as first rounders after being "overdrafted" in the second and third rounds.

Clown it if you choose, but I do know 2 people that actually work for the university athletics program and I knew a bit more about Moeaki than most from my eyes and stuff told to me first hand.

Mecca told me over and over that Moeaki was nothing better than the "17th best tight end in the draft" and that Angerer wasn't even the best linebacker on the team (Edds was) but it seems my eyes and ears told me better information than the draft sites guys.

KurtCobain
12-23-2010, 11:54 PM
At the time, my preference was to take Sanchez as insurance for Cassel, or deal him.

Had you told me at the time we were taking Tyson Jackson, I would have been cool with literally any other player being discussed.

Example: I didn't want Aaron Curry, but if given a choice between him and Jackson pre-draft, give me Curry.

If pre-draft, you had given this entire board a list of the guys that eventually were picked in R1, and asked them "would you rather have Tyson Jackson or _____" with each of the other 31 picks - I can't see a single person picking Jackson.

What about hindsight? Aaron Curry? Or deal the pick? For who?

stevieray
12-23-2010, 11:54 PM
Agreed.

Though it is sad that we have to lower our expectations of the 3rd overall pick to "solid starter."

Can't help but wonder where this team would be right now, and how great they'd be set up for the future had we not whiffed on that pick.
...there is still a damn good chance this could be wrong also. year three is huge for linemen...


besides..

...Haley lost the team. Not. see Hali quotes.
...Pioli's right 53 is a joke.(smart tough football players, not superstars.) On course.
...Charles needs more carries, being mistreated. Not. best rushing attack in the league..signed extension.
...Thomas Jones stealing carries from Charles, too old.. not. 1k rushing..(bonus) keeps Charles fresh.
...DJ being mistreated, or utilized properly. Not. Best season yet. signed extension.
Cassel? most recent... came back 11 days after surgery, overcame an INT and pretty much picked up where left off. Leader. tough. motivated. currently rated top five QB. leading the division in year two.


:shrug: guess we'll see.

Short Leash Hootie
12-23-2010, 11:55 PM
Shocker. Mecca now has all the time in the world during what is typically the busiest days of the year for some.

I bet mecca still doesn't even have a job...I don't believe him one bit.

I work 50 hours a week and still find time to post...

he's butthurt because he was wrong and now everyone has turned against the drafturbating crowd...

and now that same crowd can't do their whole "we know more than you so shut up and die" schtick because of how wrong they were this entire offseason

OnTheWarpath58
12-23-2010, 11:57 PM
I thought the general consensus on Jackson was he was 15-20 value...not 3

either way

If Cassel ends up being a franchise caliber QB (dane thinks he will), we won 2009 and it wasn't even close.

It all hinges on Cassel...not Tyson Jackson. If Cassel works out the Jackson pick is forgiven.

I don't agree with this line of thinking at all.

You (might) have done your job correctly and got good value out of your 2nd round pick - doesn't mean that you get a pass for throwing away the 3rd most valuable pick in the entire draft.

But that's your right to give a pass if you so choose.

The Bad Guy
12-23-2010, 11:58 PM
I have my doubts Tyson Jackson ever turns into anything but a rotational player. I can't imagine how great it would be to have Jeremy Maclin, or hell even Percy Harvin on this team. Having a legit threat next to Bowe and Moeaki has to be priority #1 this off-season.

-King-
12-23-2010, 11:59 PM
I don't agree with this line of thinking at all.

You (might) have done your job correctly and got good value out of your 2nd round pick - doesn't mean that you get a pass for throwing away the 3rd most valuable pick in the entire draft.

But that's your right to give a pass if you so choose.

Yeah even if Cassel turns out to be great, I still don't think we won that draft. It will just be an average to above average draft. TJ at 3 just fucked it all up.

-King-
12-23-2010, 11:59 PM
I have my doubts Tyson Jackson ever turns into anything but a rotational player. I can't imagine how great it would be to have Jeremy Maclin, or hell even Percy Harvin on this team. Having a legit threat next to Bowe and Moeaki has to be priority #1 this off-season.

Clay Matthews opposite Hali....

OnTheWarpath58
12-23-2010, 11:59 PM
What about hindsight? Aaron Curry? Or deal the pick? For who?

Hindsight?

Shit, there are a TON of guys that would be helping this team immensely.

Orakpo, Maclin, Cushing, Matthews, Raji, Harvin, Oher, Nicks. To name a few.

BossChief
12-24-2010, 12:00 AM
I thought the general consensus on Jackson was he was 15-20 value...not 3

either way

If Cassel ends up being a franchise caliber QB (dane thinks he will), we won 2009 and it wasn't even close.

It all hinges on Cassel...not Tyson Jackson. If Cassel works out the Jackson pick is forgiven.

IMO Cassel has already done enough to make the trade fro a 2nd rounder a win. If he doesnt get any better from here on out, it was a good trade.

For that offseason to be labeled a win and not a push, Tyson needs to be a solid starter in this defense for at least the next 5 years. #3 overall, even in a weak draft, for that position will never live up to the billing but at least it can be salvageable.

But yeah, damn, a pass rush of Hali and Orakpo would have been GOD MODE and this secondary would be lights out.

Short Leash Hootie
12-24-2010, 12:01 AM
I've gone over it time, and time, and time, and time again with the drafturbators regarding the draft...

someone earlier referenced how great the Packers are at drafting...

they don't want me to go through the last 5 years of their drafts again...

It sucks we missed on a top 5 pick (or so it seems so far)...but we made up for it by trading for a top tier, franchise caliber QB (or so it seems)...

you hit on less than half of 1st round picks, less than a third on 2nd round picks, and after that it's juts a giant crap shoot...

AND

YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS

of draft evidence supports this

The Bad Guy
12-24-2010, 12:02 AM
Clay Matthews opposite Hali....

Even BJ Raji. Good lord almighty.

I'm not totally down on Tyson Jackson, but besides losers like Heyward-Blows and Andre Smith, we could have just pulled any name out of the hat and it would have helped.

OnTheWarpath58
12-24-2010, 12:03 AM
I have my doubts Tyson Jackson ever turns into anything but a rotational player. I can't imagine how great it would be to have Jeremy Maclin, or hell even Percy Harvin on this team. Having a legit threat next to Bowe and Moeaki has to be priority #1 this off-season.

That's my frustration.

You can get a goddamn 5-technique anywhere in the draft.

We spent the 3rd most valuable pick in the draft on one, and passed on elite talent to do so.

Maclin, Nicks, Harvin, even Oher on offense?

Cushing, Matthews, Raji on defense?

Any of those players, and I highly doubt we're 4-12 last year, and I highly doubt we're sweating a playoff spot right now. We'd already be in, and fucking dangerous, IMO.

The Bad Guy
12-24-2010, 12:04 AM
If Cassel turns out to be great, we absolutely won. If you can get a QB you can have as your starter for a long time that gives you great production, it's always a win.

The Bad Guy
12-24-2010, 12:05 AM
That's my frustration.

You can get a goddamn 5-technique anywhere in the draft.

We spent the 3rd most valuable pick in the draft on one, and passed on elite talent to do so.

Maclin, Nicks, Harvin, even Oher on offense?

Cushing, Matthews, Raji on defense?

Any of those players, and I highly doubt we're 4-12 last year, and I highly doubt we're sweating a playoff spot right now. We'd already be in, and ****ing dangerous, IMO.

See, I still think we are 4-12 last year. And if we were better last year, that also might mean we don't have Berry, who I think is a bonafide stud for a long, long time.

I'm just happy to be in a position where we win 2 and we are in.

OnTheWarpath58
12-24-2010, 12:05 AM
Even BJ Raji. Good lord almighty.

I'm not totally down on Tyson Jackson, but besides losers like Heyward-Blows and Andre Smith, we could have just pulled any name out of the hat and it would have helped.

I posted this the other day.

DHB and Smith are the only two you could even argue wouldn't be helping us more than Jackson.

Hell, I think Aaron Maybin would be helping more right now.

The Bad Guy
12-24-2010, 12:07 AM
I posted this the other day.

DHB and Smith are the only two you could even argue wouldn't be helping us more than Jackson.

Hell, I think Aaron Maybin would be helping more right now.

I don't know about Maybin. On a team that needs pass rushers like we need WR's, he can't get on the field.

BossChief
12-24-2010, 12:07 AM
The best move this previous offseason might well have been getting Weis on board...I don't see Cassel playing the way he is if that move isn't made.

OnTheWarpath58
12-24-2010, 12:08 AM
See, I still think we are 4-12 last year. And if we were better last year, that also might mean we don't have Berry, who I think is a bonafide stud for a long, long time.

I'm just happy to be in a position where we win 2 and we are in.

For sake of conversation, let's say we couldn't have gotten Berry.

We likely would have been able to get Earl Thomas, who's no slouch himself.

Any of the guys we mentioned + Thomas?

Or Tyson Jackson and Eric Berry?

That's a no-brainer to me, and I'm a HUGE Eric Berry fan.

OnTheWarpath58
12-24-2010, 12:09 AM
I don't know about Maybin. On a team that needs pass rushers like we need WR's, he can't get on the field.

While I don't think he'll ever be a special player, the coaching up there certainly isn't helping his, or any of their other player's causes.

BossChief
12-24-2010, 12:10 AM
I wonder how Tyson would be looking by now if he hadn't gotten injured on MNF. He had like 6 or 7 tackles in what was basically a half a game and was looking very solid.

Lets hope thats the guy we see when it comes to playoff times and for the next few years.