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Rain Man
12-23-2010, 10:53 AM
I'd been meaning to post this since I read it a while back, and I don't think it's a repost. The story itself is moderately interesting, but I'm particularly intrigued by the part that I bolded.

It raises so many questions. Who has a head collection? And who has a collection that includes a 17th-century French king? How does one end up possessing the head of a 17th-century French king? Do you keep it in a refrigerator? Is it on display in your foyer? It seems to me that if I had the head of a 17th-century French king, I'd want to show it off, but then again if it's mummified and still has the brain and stuff it might be a putoff to guests.

http://www.livescience.com/history/mummifed-head-henry-IV-101214.html

Mummy Head (and Brain) Identified as Long-Lost French King
By Stephanie Pappas, LiveScience Senior Writer
posted: 14 December 2010 07:21 pm ET

Four centuries after his death, King Henry IV of France is being laid to rest. Or at least his head is.

A team of multidisciplinary researchers announced today (Dec. 14) that a mummified head and its brain contents long thought to belong to the beloved king really are his. The head, which has been in the hands of private owners, had been removed from Henry IV's body by revolutionaries in 1793 during a symbolic desecration of the tombs of the monarchs of France.

Researchers, led by forensic medical examiner and osteo-archaeologist Philipp Charlier of University Hospital R Poincaré in Garches, France, compared the head with sculptures and portraits of Henry, who had been assassinated in 1610, and digitally reconstructed the face. The result was a dead ringer for the beloved king.

The same techniques could be used on the other mutilated remains of French royalty, the researchers wrote today in the British Medical Journal.

Good King Henry

The story of how Henry IV's head became the subject of a forensic investigation can be traced to 1589, when his predecessor, Henry III, was assassinated by a fanatical monk. At the time, the designated heir to the throne was ruling Navarre, a small kingdom in the Pyrenees Mountains. Henry of Navarre was an accomplished tennis player who often wagered on the game, said Pierre Force, a professor of French and history at Columbia University who was not involved in the head identification.

"In the accounting books, there are entries in which the accountant of the kingdom had to pay because the king lost yet another game of tennis to some noble," Force told LiveScience.

Henry IV was also a Protestant, a fact that made his ascension to the throne of Catholic France problematic. By the laws of succession, he would be France's rightful king, but to gain the throne he had to lay siege to Paris and eventually convert to Catholicism, Force said.

"That was a very spectacular gesture and one that brought peace to the country," Force said.

In 1598, Henry IV further cemented his reputation as a fair, peaceful king when he issued an edict guaranteeing religious freedom to Protestants. He became known as "good King Henry" for his popularity, and the "green gallant" for his attractiveness to women.

Off with his head

But in 1610, Henry IV, like his predecessor, lost his life to an assassin. The king was buried in the Basilica of Saint Denis in northern Paris, where his body stayed until 1793. French revolutionaries executed their own king, Louis XVI, that year and then turned their attention to the previous monarchs, opening their tombs and reburying their mutilated bodies in mass graves nearby. It was at this point that Henry IV lost his head.

"It fit into their idea of 'Out, out, damn spot,' of getting rid of, in a symbolic way, the historical burdens of monarchy," John Merriman, a Yale University historian and author of a number of books on European and French history, told LiveScience.

"It seemed, in context, a proper gesture," Merriman, who was not involved in the current study, added.

The head stayed in the hands of private collectors until recently, when Charlier and his colleagues began their investigation. The mummified head was well-preserved, and the royal brain lay undisturbed inside the skull. The head's owner was bald with bad teeth and a cataract in the right eye, the researchers found.

Radiocarbon dating showed that the head's age matched the king's date of death. The head had an irregular mole on the right nostril and an earring hole in the right earlobe, both features seen in portraits and statues of Henry IV. [See the ear, nose and hair of king]

The method of embalming, which involved leaving the brain intact, matched the historical records of the king's preservation. On the neck of the mummified head, researchers found a black band of carbon, which matched the ingredients that the king's embalmer had reported using on the body to absorb decomposition odors. The mummy's mouth was stuffed with plant matter, also used at the time to absorb odors.

The team could not recover uncontaminated DNA in order to match it to the king's descendants, but the researchers completed a digital facial reconstruction of the skull that matched the plaster mold of Henry IV's face made just after his death.

After all this poking and prodding, the remains of Henry IV will finally get some rest, according to Charlier and his colleagues.

"Now positively identified according to the most rigorous arguments of any forensic anthropology examination, the French king’s head will be reinterred in the royal basilica of Saint-Denis after a solemn funeral ceremony," the researchers wrote.

Sofa King
12-23-2010, 10:56 AM
ewwwww....

Frazod
12-23-2010, 10:56 AM
There can be only one!

boogblaster
12-23-2010, 10:57 AM
wonder who has poncho's head .......

Donger
12-23-2010, 10:58 AM
Getting head is a fantastic Christmas present idea.

Bane
12-23-2010, 10:58 AM
There can be only one!


:thumb:


http://i54.tinypic.com/2i8yf5t.jpg

BushyTheBeaver
12-23-2010, 11:30 AM
I'd love a little head for Christmas

mesmith31
12-23-2010, 11:44 AM
Speaking of head collections, this reminds me of when I was a kid and watched 'Return to Oz', and they had this woman called Mombi who was a witch without a head that had a giant head collection. Between her and the Wheelers this may have been one of the scariest movies I had seen as a kid:

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JohninGpt
12-23-2010, 11:57 AM
The head stayed in the hands of private collectors until recently, when Charlier and his colleagues began their investigation. The mummified head was well-preserved, and the royal brain lay undisturbed inside the skull. The head's owner was bald with bad teeth and a cataract in the right eye, the researchers found.


Those researchers are a tad more thorough than they really need to be.

threebag02
12-23-2010, 02:38 PM
They use to sell shrunken heads at the market in Seattle. I wish I would have bought a bunch of them.

Hog Farmer
12-23-2010, 02:59 PM
I used to have a feet collection when I was a kid. Everything I killed I cut off one foot and kept them in a shoe box. Birds,squirrels, opossums,coyotes. Everything. My wife made me get rid of it a few years ago. that's one reason I hate her.

Chief Chief
12-23-2010, 03:20 PM
Who has a head collection? And who has a collection that includes a 17th-century French king? How does one end up possessing the head of a 17th-century French king? Do you keep it in a refrigerator? Is it on display in your foyer?

"Mr. (Richard) Fader, you sure do ask a lot of stupid questions for a guy from New Jersey."
-- Rosanne Rosannadanna

mikey23545
12-23-2010, 03:20 PM
Speaking of head collections, this reminds me of when I was a kid and watched 'Return to Oz', and they had this woman called Mombi who was a witch without a head that had a giant head collection. Between her and the Wheelers this may have been one of the scariest movies I had seen as a kid:

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Jeebus, that's a <i>kid's</i> movie?

trndobrd
12-23-2010, 03:49 PM
I saw this on Antiques Roadshow a couple of seasons back. As I recall, it was mixed in with a box of mummified heads and late 1960's baseball cards a lady from Knoxville bought at an estate sale for for $125.

Talisman
12-23-2010, 05:54 PM
My buddy Doe got his friend Mills one of these in a box one time. He was so curious about what it was. He kept yelling, "What's in the box?"

mesmith31
12-23-2010, 07:39 PM
On second thought, the head in the box gift apparently doesn't go over as well as one may have expected...

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Frankie
12-23-2010, 09:44 PM
http://www.livescience.com/history/mummifed-head-henry-IV-101214.html

Mr. Rain Man. I so wanted to see pix but my computer warns me against opening the URL you have furnished. It says it may harm my computer.

Can you do me a favor and posts the pix?

rtmike
12-23-2010, 10:55 PM
Mr. Rain Man. I so wanted to see pix but my computer warns me against opening the URL you have furnished. It says it may harm my computer.

Can you do me a favor and posts the pix?


Me too. Avast?

rtmike
12-23-2010, 10:57 PM
My buddy Doe got his friend Mills one of these in a box one time. He was so curious about what it was. He kept yelling, "What's in the box?"


A dick.

JOhn
12-23-2010, 11:21 PM
I used to have a feet collection when I was a kid. Everything I killed I cut off one foot and kept them in a shoe box. Birds,squirrels, opossums,coyotes. Everything. My wife made me get rid of it a few years ago. that's one reason I hate her.

:LOL:

Rain Man
12-24-2010, 02:57 PM
Mr. Rain Man. I so wanted to see pix but my computer warns me against opening the URL you have furnished. It says it may harm my computer.

Can you do me a favor and posts the pix?

You can't get good pics from a science site. You have to go to China Daily for the good stuff:

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20101216/0013729e4abe0e73be6213.jpg

Or maybe the history blog, whatever that is.

http://www.thehistoryblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/henry-reconstruction-101214-02.jpg

Hog Farmer
12-24-2010, 04:33 PM
Looks like he was yelling at his wife when he died