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Gracie Dean
12-26-2010, 06:22 PM
HE took a team no one expected to win and put together great chemistry

He took a QB most everyone hated and made him a great player


I have totally changed my mind on both Haley and Cassel

Coach of the year

petegz28
12-26-2010, 06:23 PM
I think it's an easy call. You go from 4-12 to Division winners with a 2nd year coach and it's an easy call.

Goldmember
12-26-2010, 06:24 PM
This x10 Nobody comes close because no other team was worst to first.

KCrockaholic
12-26-2010, 06:24 PM
Yeah...But he coaches for Kansas City.

Put him in NY or Somewhere on the east coast and the award is already set in stone.

Rams Fan
12-26-2010, 06:25 PM
This x10 Nobody comes close because no other team was worst to first.

St. Louis?

KCrockaholic
12-26-2010, 06:26 PM
St. Louis?

:LOL:

Sorry, but the NFC West is an abortion.

Rams Fan
12-26-2010, 06:28 PM
:LOL:

Sorry, but the NFC West is an abortion.

The Rams beat two AFC West opponents and, assuming they win next week, will have improved their win total from 1 to 8, or 7 games, just the like Chiefs would do assuming the Chiefs win next week. If it goes to Reid or Belichick, I'll be pissed.

Wallcrawler
12-26-2010, 06:28 PM
I still cant believe the Chiefs are gonna be 11-5 after going 4-12 a season ago.

Sure, they added a few new players, but the Coaching staff is the difference here. A lot of people like to credit Belichick with the success there in NE, and he is a great coach, but Weis and Crennel are pretty effing good at what they do. A couple failed HC runs for those guys and people start doubting if they were any good, and if it was all just BB there in New England.

Theyve been awesome for us, and have allowed Haley to be what he needs to be, the Head Coach. Not spreading himself thin trying to run the entire operation and still be responsible for calling the offense on gameday.

He's done a helluva job here.

DBOSHO
12-26-2010, 06:28 PM
if he doesnt win it itll be total bullshit.

itll probably go to Mike Smith or somebody though..

ReynardMuldrake
12-26-2010, 06:29 PM
St. Louis?

:facepalm:

doomy3
12-26-2010, 06:29 PM
I agree, it should be Haley.

If not Haley, I think I would give it to Andy Reid.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad
12-26-2010, 06:29 PM
St. Louis?

this is why hootie hates you

Gracie Dean
12-26-2010, 06:30 PM
if he doesnt win it itll be total bullshit.

itll probably go to Mike Smith or somebody though..

who?

KcMizzou
12-26-2010, 06:30 PM
Players have bought in 100%. Those who wouldn't are gone. I love this team.

And yeah, it's all on the coaching staff. Amazing turn around.

Wallcrawler
12-26-2010, 06:31 PM
The Rams beat two AFC West opponents and, assuming they win next week, will have improved their win total from 1 to 8, or 7 games, just the like Chiefs would do assuming the Chiefs win next week. If it goes to Reid or Belichick, I'll be pissed.




Reid shouldnt even be considered. His guy was Kevin Kolb in the opener and he was unshakable on it, even after Kolb got hurt. Then Vick starts tearing it up.

Kolb doesnt go down to that raping from Clay Matthews, the Eagles enjoy what was going to be their "rebuilding" year, with Mike Vick watching helplessly from the sidelines.

Rams Fan
12-26-2010, 06:31 PM
I agree, it should be Haley.

If not Haley, I think I would give it to Andy Reid.

I could see it going to Reid, but what has he done this year than what he did last year? What about Lovie or Mike Smith?

UTChief
12-26-2010, 06:32 PM
I agree

DBOSHO
12-26-2010, 06:33 PM
who?

ATL

Hootie
12-26-2010, 06:33 PM
Lovie Smith or Todd Haley if you ask me...

Raheem Morris and Belichick will be in the running...Mike Smith too...

but gotta be Lovie or Todd.

HotRoute
12-26-2010, 06:33 PM
I keep hearing Andy Reid will win it bc of vicks revival, which I think is total bullshit

Sweet Daddy Hate
12-26-2010, 06:33 PM
The Campaign has begun; NFL Network is FULLY pimping Haley for COTY.

Good Lord, People; WE ARE A FUCKING TEAM AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hootie
12-26-2010, 06:34 PM
these tags are awesome

Kyle DeLexus
12-26-2010, 06:34 PM
I love what Todd Haley and the rest of his staff have done for this team!

He did what an effective leader does and surrounded himself with good people.

mnchiefsguy
12-26-2010, 06:34 PM
The Rams beat two AFC West opponents and, assuming they win next week, will have improved their win total from 1 to 8, or 7 games, just the like Chiefs would do assuming the Chiefs win next week. If it goes to Reid or Belichick, I'll be pissed.

While what the Rams have done this since merits some consideration...I think Haley deserves it more. When your win total in one year matches your win total from your last three years...and you do it in the division of a superbowl favorite (San Diego was the sexy pick to go to the superbowl this year by many experts). If you put the Rams in any other division, they are close to last. If you put the Chiefs in the AFC West, they win it...and I think they would also be competitive in the NFC North as well. That is what give Haley an edge, but the Rams have nothing to be ashamed of...to go from one win all year to one win from the playoffs is a big step forward.

Rams Fan
12-26-2010, 06:35 PM
Lovie Smith or Todd Haley if you ask me...

Raheem Morris and Belichick will be in the running...Mike Smith too...

but gotta be Lovie or Todd.

Morris deserves it if the Bucs beat the Saints next week. It's going to go down to like the 5th or 6th tiebreaker if they did beat the Saints to clinch a wild card.

Hootie
12-26-2010, 06:36 PM
you know who doesnt deserve it?

Steve Spagnuolo

Terribilis
12-26-2010, 06:37 PM
your crazy if you guys don't think it will end up in the Boston market.
http://madamedeals.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/boston-market-logo.gif

chiefzilla1501
12-26-2010, 06:38 PM
I think he's a strong candidate.

But much as I like Haley, I don't think he deserves it. I'd give it to Bellichick or Mike Smith.

But it's just an award. I'm happy with our coach.

dirk digler
12-26-2010, 06:38 PM
I only think Haley or Morris deserve it (if the Bucs make the playoffs)

RedThat
12-26-2010, 06:38 PM
Todd Haley will definately be a candidate for sure. i hope he wins it.

But, I will say, Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis were instrumental this year. I wish they could just share this award amongst the whole coaching staff. Not trying to take anything away from Haley, but as a group, those guys have been stout.

I think those two have allowed Haley to grow as a coach for sure.

Rams Fan
12-26-2010, 06:39 PM
I only think Haley or Morris deserve it (if the Bucs make the playoffs)

The Bucs have to hope Green Bay or New York loses, though.

Goldmember
12-26-2010, 06:39 PM
:LOL:

Sorry, but the NFC West is an abortion.

Plus the Chiefs have the tie breaker over the Rams :p

dirk digler
12-26-2010, 06:40 PM
I think he's a strong candidate.

But much as I like Haley, I don't think he deserves it. I'd give it to Bellichick or Mike Smith.

But it's just an award. I'm happy with our coach.

I don't see why they deserve it considering they were predicted to go to the playoffs.

CHENZ A!
12-26-2010, 06:41 PM
no no no no no. no dancing. we ain't done shit

ProAngler
12-26-2010, 06:44 PM
there has been 13 teams since 2003 that have went from worst to first in thier divisions...did those coaches win?

dirk digler
12-26-2010, 06:53 PM
there has been 13 teams since 2003 that have went from worst to first in thier divisions...did those coaches win?

Yes.

Marty -
Lovie Smith
Sean Payton
Mike Smith
Marvin Lewis (actually was 3rd but were 4-11 the year before)

Rams Fan
12-26-2010, 06:55 PM
Yes.

Marty -
Lovie Smith
Sean Payton
Mike Smith
Marvin Lewis (actually was 3rd but were 4-11 the year before)

Mike Smith didn't go from worst to first, IIRC. They finished 2nd behind Carolina and lost to AZ in AZ in the playoffs. And I thought Sparano won it in 2008?

Basileus777
12-26-2010, 06:59 PM
The Rams beat two AFC West opponents and, assuming they win next week, will have improved their win total from 1 to 8, or 7 games, just the like Chiefs would do assuming the Chiefs win next week. If it goes to Reid or Belichick, I'll be pissed.

Spags has done a good job, but his team has a losing record in one of the worst divisions in NFL history.

dirk digler
12-26-2010, 06:59 PM
Mike Smith didn't go from worst to first, IIRC. They finished 2nd behind Carolina and lost to AZ in AZ in the playoffs. And I thought Sparano won it in 2008?

In 07 the Falcons were last with a 4-12 record and he came in 2008 and won the division.

I am going by the AP Coach of the Year

Goldmember
12-26-2010, 07:01 PM
St. Louis?

St. Louis is only in first because SOMEBODY'S got to be first! ROFL

chiefs1111
12-26-2010, 07:01 PM
Mort just said on ESPN that he is voting for Haley,hope he wins it.

Rams Fan
12-26-2010, 07:02 PM
In 07 the Falcons were last with a 4-12 record and he came in 2008 and won the division.

I am going by the AP Coach of the Year

Smith won the Coach of the Year, but they finished one game behind the Panthers. The Falcons had an 11-5 record that year and the Panthers were 12-4.

CupidStunt
12-26-2010, 07:05 PM
He will win it pretty easily.

SenselessChiefsFan
12-26-2010, 07:17 PM
Yeah, it certainly seems as though Haley should get it. The only way he may get overlooked is due to the established, well respected coordinators that were brought in.

milkman
12-26-2010, 07:19 PM
I still think that what happens is that Pioli wins executive of the year, and Billichick wins COTY.

chiefzilla1501
12-26-2010, 07:20 PM
I don't see why they deserve it considering they were predicted to go to the playoffs.

I think he'll get it. But let's be honest. Bellichick dealt with the Moss controversy and cutting their starting RB and ended up fielding the most dominant team in the NFL that did it on a tough schedule.

Love Haley, but also understand that he benefited off an easy schedule.

Chief Pote
12-26-2010, 07:34 PM
I agree, it should be Haley.

If not Haley, I think I would give it to Andy Reid.

Reid? Not a chance. Your starting QB is hurt and your backup comes in and performs like a superstar....easy decision. Not coach of the of the year.

Haley getting Dbowe to perform and Weis "fixing" Cassel. Coach of the year.

Just Passin' By
12-26-2010, 07:45 PM
My $.02

Deserving coaches, in no particular order:

Belichick
Haley
Morris
M. Smith

Tomlin might also get some love because of how well the Steelers started off with Roethlisberger on suspension.

doomy3
12-26-2010, 07:54 PM
Reid? Not a chance. Your starting QB is hurt and your backup comes in and performs like a superstar....easy decision. Not coach of the of the year.

Haley getting Dbowe to perform and Weis "fixing" Cassel. Coach of the year.

I said I would give it to Haley. But if he doesn't get it, I would give it to Reid.

Yes, Vick is playing lights out. There was one coach in the NFL who wanted to have Vick on his team. That was Reid. Reid also let McNabb walk, which was a great decision. You also have to give him some credit for Vick's play, and the overall play of that team. Vick is playing the best football of his life by far, and is a year removed from prison. He is so much better than he ever was with the Falcons as a QB that it isn't even funny. Reid gets some credit for that, for sure.

ProAngler
12-26-2010, 08:10 PM
NFL'S WORST TO FIRST FINISHES

BEST ONE-YEAR TURNAROUNDS SINCE 2003


2003 Carolina Panthers: 11-5; 7-9

2003 Kansas City Chiefs: 13-3; 8-8*

2004 Atlanta Falcons: 11-5; 5-11

2004 San Diego Chargers: 12-4; 4-12***

2005 Chicago Bears: 11-5; 5-11

2005 Tampa Bay Buccaneers: 11-5; 5-11

2006 Baltimore Ravens: 13-3; 6-10*

2006 New Orleans Saints: 10-6; 3-13

2006 Philadelphia Eagles: 10-6; 6-10

2007 Tampa Bay Buccaneers: 9-7; 4-12

2008 Miami Dolphins: 11-5; 1-15

2009 New Orleans Saints: 13-3; 8-8

2010 Kansas City Chiefs: 10-5; 4-12

kstater
12-26-2010, 08:15 PM
I agree, it should be Haley.

If not Haley, I think I would give it to Andy Reid.

Why because he lucked into an MVP candidate that he didn't even want to play?

doomy3
12-26-2010, 08:22 PM
Why because he lucked into an MVP candidate that he didn't even want to play?

If by lucked into you mean taking a shot on a guy no one else wanted to take a chance on, and then teaching how to actually play quarterback in the NFL, then yeah.

Gracie Dean
12-27-2010, 10:24 AM
Reid? Not a chance. Your starting QB is hurt and your backup comes in and performs like a superstar....easy decision. Not coach of the of the year.

Haley getting Dbowe to perform and Weis "fixing" Cassel. Coach of the year.

This!

Cassel was not many people's idea of a QB. At the beginning of the year,I hated him. But I have to eat my words and say he is doing a fantastic job

ChiefGator
12-27-2010, 07:49 PM
Can someone explain why BB deserves it? Seriously, I don't understand why he is the discussion. Because the Pats are good.. again?

Sassy Squatch
12-27-2010, 07:53 PM
Can someone explain why BB deserves it? Seriously, I don't understand why he is the discussion. Because the Pats are good.. again?
...............That usually means you apre a pretty good coach......

TEX
12-27-2010, 07:56 PM
Haley absolutely should be coach of the year.

However, Josh McDaniles should get some kind of trophy for what he did to Denver...

Sweet Daddy Hate
12-27-2010, 08:04 PM
Haley absolutely should be coach of the year.

However, Josh McDaniles should get some kind of trophy for what he did to Denver...

ROFL The "Thank you, Dumbass"-award?

Haley absolutely deserves it. BB is considered for his consistent, winning ways and SB titles, but taking the abortion that WAS the post-Vermeil/Carl/Herm Chiefs and raising them to Division Champions and playoff contenders is what being a great, regular season HC is all about IMO.

Brianfo
12-27-2010, 08:16 PM
If by lucked into you mean taking a shot on a guy no one else wanted to take a chance on, and then teaching how to actually play quarterback in the NFL, then yeah.

Gotta give you a deuce. Ask yourself this question. Who would u rather have playing QB?? Matty Ice or dog runner.

CoMoChief
12-27-2010, 08:18 PM
I agree, it should be Haley.

If not Haley, I think I would give it to Andy Reid.

:spock: Why?

If anything else it should be ATL Mike Smith

J Diddy
12-27-2010, 08:27 PM
Haley absolutely should be coach of the year.

However, Josh McDaniles should get some kind of trophy for what he did to Denver...

We'll give em the Gunther Cunningham award.

milkman
12-27-2010, 09:35 PM
Can someone explain why BB deserves it? Seriously, I don't understand why he is the discussion. Because the Pats are good.. again?

Because the Patriots were thought to be a team retooling, especially on defense.

Not only have they won the homefield advantage in the AFC, they've done it against a brutal schedule.

Gracie Dean
12-28-2010, 08:08 PM
We'll give em the Gunther Cunningham award.

bwaha

Gunther was a great D C but when he got the reigns to the whole team, he couldn't handle it

Bane
12-28-2010, 08:09 PM
bwaha

Gunther was a great D C but when he got the reigns to the whole team, he couldn't handle it

I just want to see him rush the field to start a fight!!!

mlyonsd
12-28-2010, 08:10 PM
bwaha

Gunther was a great D C but when he got the reigns to the whole team, he couldn't handle it

And then he came back as DC and sucked just as much when he was HC.

milkman
12-28-2010, 08:10 PM
bwaha

Gunther was a great D C but when he got the reigns to the whole team, he couldn't handle it

Cunther was never a great DC.

munkey
12-28-2010, 08:13 PM
****her was never a great DC.

agreed...he just had great talent...

MadMax
12-28-2010, 08:16 PM
HE took a team no one expected to win and put together great chemistry

He took a QB most everyone hated and made him a great player


I have totally changed my mind on both Haley and Cassel

Coach of the year





I hear ya Pam it's been a GREAT year to be a Chiefs fan and we deserve it....

Gracie Dean
12-28-2010, 08:49 PM
I hear ya Pam it's been a GREAT year to be a Chiefs fan and we deserve it....

This week I have worn both my 1997 AFC West Champs and my 2003 AFC West Champs sweatshirts.


Today I was in my stadium jacket and someone in the store said awesome jacket and fistbumped me saying "this is our year"

Amnorix
12-28-2010, 09:55 PM
The Rams beat two AFC West opponents and, assuming they win next week, will have improved their win total from 1 to 8, or 7 games, just the like Chiefs would do assuming the Chiefs win next week. If it goes to Reid or Belichick, I'll be pissed.

Belichick has 12 players on IR, including six starters, three of whom went out before week 1, and is starting 4 rookies on defense. He also had a brutal schedule (Jets x2, Steelers, Ravens, Colts, Bears, Packers), and has converted all that into an NFL best 13-2 heading into an "off" week.

The Pats also had to revamp their offensive attack on the fly after one of their key weapons (Moss) clearly had to go after week 3 or whatever it was.

While I think Haley is certainly an excellent candidate, I can't see being "pissed" if Belichick wins it.

Amnorix
12-28-2010, 09:56 PM
I could see it going to Reid, but what has he done this year than what he did last year? What about Lovie or Mike Smith?

I like the FAlcons and Mike Smith alot, but Smith got coach of the year in 2008, then "fell" to 9-7 in 2009. Now in 2010 he has the soft NFC West in his rotation to help boost his W-L.

I really can't see what he's done that is on par with Haley, Lovie, the Rams coach or Belichick.

FRCDFED
12-28-2010, 09:57 PM
Belichick has 12 players on IR, including six starters, three of whom went out before week 1, and is starting 4 rookies on defense. He also had a brutal schedule (Jets x2, Steelers, Ravens, Colts, Bears, Packers), and has converted all that into an NFL best 13-2 heading into an "off" week.

The Pats also had to revamp their offensive attack on the fly after one of their key weapons (Moss) clearly had to go after week 3 or whatever it was.

While I think Haley is certainly an excellent candidate, I can't see being "pissed" if Belichick wins it.
This! Well put! Both are deserving! Everyone can say that he has Brady but the same could be said of us having Charles and Jones. We have a great running game and they have a great passing game. Its a wash!

FRCDFED
12-28-2010, 09:59 PM
I like the FAlcons and Mike Smith alot, but Smith got coach of the year in 2008, then "fell" to 9-7 in 2009. Now in 2010 he has the soft NFC West in his rotation to help boost his W-L.

I really can't see what he's done that is on par with Haley, Lovie, the Rams coach or Belichick.For St. Louis....Bradford is the first QB taken that high that I can say earned his money his rookie year. That guy has nerves of steel and is deadly acccurate on all his throws! Great pick for them!

pkane
12-28-2010, 10:05 PM
For St. Louis....Bradford is the first QB taken that high that I can say earned his money his rookie year. That guy has nerves of steel and is deadly acccurate on all his throws! Great pick for them!

Matt Ryan came in strong and helped lead that turn around in Atl

Micjones
12-28-2010, 10:19 PM
Haley should be the frontrunner for this award.
He engineered a worst-to-first turnaround, a 6 game improvement (could be 7 by this time next week) AND a division title for the first time in 7 years. In only his 2nd season as Head Coach.

Spags deserves some credit for a similar turnaround, but that team can finish no better than .500 in the worst division in football.

Bill Belichick will also be a favorite to win seeing how his Pats are again a runaway train in the AFC.

My money's on Haley, but I won't be surprised if "The Hood" wins it.

FRCDFED
12-28-2010, 10:37 PM
Matt Ryan came in strong and helped lead that turn around in Atl
Maybe....but I can't help but be impressed with Bradford. That guy looks like he is the real deal. I'm not a big fan of Ryan. He is what he is. I wonder if his rookie stats would compare with Bradford.

pkane
12-28-2010, 10:50 PM
Maybe....but I can't help but be impressed with Bradford. That guy looks like he is the real deal. I'm not a big fan of Ryan. He is what he is. I wonder if his rookie stats would compare with Bradford.

I am not taking anything away from Bradford, he has done great in his first year with virtually zero talant around him. I was just giving you a recent example of another QB coming in and doing the same thing.

Here is Ryans rookie stats and Bradfords (up to this point)

Ryan 3440 passing yards 16 TDs 11-5 record

Bradford 3357 passing yards 18 TDs 7-8 record

Pretty comparable in terms of stat line.

Also, what do you mean Ryan "is what he is?" I think he is a hell of a QB with an enormous amount of talent.

pkane
12-28-2010, 10:52 PM
IMO Haley should be coach of the year. I could see it going to Belichick.

Oregon chief
12-28-2010, 11:00 PM
AskSNF: Is Haley a top contender for COY after winning a division the Chargers were supposed to dominate?
PFTonSNF: Yes, but that could be worst thing that happens to Chiefs. Haley already thinks he’s Parcells without external validation.

Just read this on PFT... WTF?

FRCDFED
12-28-2010, 11:01 PM
I am not taking anything away from Bradford, he has done great in his first year with virtually zero talant around him. I was just giving you a recent example of another QB coming in and doing the same thing.

Here is Ryans rookie stats and Bradfords (up to this point)

Ryan 3440 passing yards 16 TDs 11-5 record

Bradford 3357 passing yards 18 TDs 7-8 record

Pretty comparable in terms of stat line.

Also, what do you mean Ryan "is what he is?" I think he is a hell of a QB with an enormous amount of talent.
Yeah those stats are pretty comparable. Bradford seems to throw with more zip on the ball. It looked that way when STL and ATL played recently. It doesn't matter because neither are Chiefs but I'm just more impressed with Bradford than Ryan. I know others may disagree but to each their own.

pkane
12-28-2010, 11:07 PM
Yeah those stats are pretty comparable. Bradford seems to throw with more zip on the ball. It looked that way when STL and ATL played recently. It doesn't matter because neither are Chiefs but I'm just more impressed with Bradford than Ryan. I know others may disagree but to each their own.



I didn't see that game but yeah, both have good upside. Bradford really impressed this year especially playing most of the year with back-up WRs.

Gracie Dean
12-29-2010, 05:48 PM
I keep hearing Andy Reid will win it bc of vicks revival, which I think is total bullshit

I agree. Vick is just one person...Haley revived an entire team!

keg in kc
12-29-2010, 05:51 PM
Win sunday, take a 4-12 team to 11-5, and I think it would be a travesty if anybody else got it.

Sweet Daddy Hate
12-29-2010, 06:02 PM
I agree. Vick is just one person...Haley revived an entire team!

I think some of the shine is off of Reid now.

LaChapelle
12-29-2010, 06:05 PM
It may go to Raheem Morris
so they can give Pioli GM of the Year
the draft class is getting lots of love

Rasputin
12-29-2010, 06:10 PM
Got to give kudos to Haley for bringing in Crenel and Weis. That was an unselfish act to do. I think highly of Haley for doing that. Especialy after him trying to do it himself last year. It was briliant. Kudos to GM Pioli for bringing them all here. Life is good as a Chiefs fan!:thumb:

FRCDFED
12-29-2010, 09:28 PM
I think some of the shine is off of Reid now.Without Vick that team would've really shown what Reid was made of. Vick made that team..not Reid. I really like that WR corps though. Wish we could've picked up Macklin.

milkman
12-29-2010, 09:53 PM
Without Vick that team would've really shown what Reid was made of. Vick made that team..not Reid. I really like that WR corps though. Wish we could've picked up Macklin.

I've said it before.

Andy Reid is overrated.
Always has been.

Gracie Dean
12-30-2010, 10:10 AM
I've said it before.

Andy Reid is overrated.
Always has been.

agreed

Sweet Daddy Hate
12-30-2010, 10:10 AM
Without Vick that team would've really shown what Reid was made of. Vick made that team..not Reid. I really like that WR corps though. Wish we could've picked up Macklin.

In retrospect, Macklin in 2009 instead of Ty-Jack would be sitting pretty fuckin' sweet with me right now.

-King-
12-30-2010, 10:20 AM
It's Maclin :facepalm:

Sweet Daddy Hate
12-30-2010, 10:21 AM
It's Meccalin :facepalm:

:thumb:

Chief Pote
12-30-2010, 11:45 AM
I said I would give it to Haley. But if he doesn't get it, I would give it to Reid.

Yes, Vick is playing lights out. There was one coach in the NFL who wanted to have Vick on his team. That was Reid. Reid also let McNabb walk, which was a great decision. You also have to give him some credit for Vick's play, and the overall play of that team. Vick is playing the best football of his life by far, and is a year removed from prison. He is so much better than he ever was with the Falcons as a QB that it isn't even funny. Reid gets some credit for that, for sure.

I agree. Still not coach of the year....I know I could be considered biased, but others are starting to notice that the team is not just some mirage and Haley deserves a good amount of credit. Weis has got to be credited with turning Cassel around and Haley for turning Bowe into a top notch receiver. Can't wait for Fitz to sign. :p

JD10367
12-30-2010, 12:16 PM
IMO it's between Belichick and Haley.

Belichick doesn't get enough credit for what he does because people simply say, "Oh, he's got Brady". This season, most people predicted the Pats at 8 or 9 wins. In training camp, they lost their #1 corner (Leigh Bodden) and a top D-lineman (Ty Warren). Their best OL (Logan Mankins) held out for over half a year. They traded Moss only a month into the season. They have two unheralded backs (Green-Ellis and Woodhead the Smurf). At WR they have one little dude coming back from a knee injury (Welker) and another little dude rescued from obscurity in Seattle where his career was flagging (Branch). They have two rookie tight ends. On defense they have rookies and walk-ons up and down the roster, including starting a rookie at corner (McCourty) and linebacker (Spikes). And they went up against the iron of the NFL, playing a bunch of teams that are in the playoffs (Jets twice, Chicago, Indy, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Green Bay probably will make it). And so far they've only lost 2 games... and 1 of them was against a crap Browns team when the Pats just failed to show up.

Rausch
12-30-2010, 12:17 PM
I agree. Vick is just one person...Haley revived an entire team!

:spock:

JD10367
12-30-2010, 12:24 PM
If Vick and the Eagles are so good, and Reid is such a great coach, how come they just got their ass kicked at home against the crap Vikings with a rookie QB, costing them a shot at a bye week? Philly is 10-5, with losses to such luminaries as Washington, Tennessee, and Minnesota. They were 11-5 last season (and lost their first playoff game), so it's not like Reid did something amazing this year.

reschief
12-30-2010, 01:06 PM
The Chiefs will likely be the only "new face" in the playoffs in the AFC compared to last year (if Indy gets in again). That fact alone speaks volumes to the job Haley has done. He gets COY.

seamonster
12-30-2010, 01:08 PM
Because the Patriots were thought to be a team retooling, especially on defense.

Not only have they won the homefield advantage in the AFC, they've done it against a brutal schedule.

I wouldn't give the patriots anything. Nobodys saying it, but they're just a weird team. Brady isn't the quickest, most nimble thinker to play his position and as far as quarterbacks go he's like a lumbering statue in the pocket, yet the long hair still manages to find these attack vectors and vulerabilities in good defenses. After years of video taping, side line wedges, and bllshit the NFL shouldn't trust the patriots and they shouldn't be awarding that organization until after the current management has moved on.

JD10367
12-30-2010, 01:10 PM
I wouldn't give the patriots anything. Nobodys saying it, but they're just a weird team. Brady isn't the quickest, most nimble thinker to play his position and as far as quarterbacks go he's like a lumbering statue in the pocket, yet the long hair still manages to find these attack vectors and vulerabilities in good defenses. After years of video taping, side line wedges, and bllshit the NFL shouldn't trust the patriots and they shouldn't be awarding that organization until after the current management has moved on.

Hi. You're a stupid fuck.

ModSocks
12-30-2010, 01:12 PM
I wouldn't give the patriots anything. Nobodys saying it, but they're just a weird team. Brady isn't the quickest, most nimble thinker to play his position and as far as quarterbacks go he's like a lumbering statue in the pocket, yet the long hair still manages to find these attack vectors and vulerabilities in good defenses. After years of video taping, side line wedges, and bllshit the NFL shouldn't trust the patriots and they shouldn't be awarding that organization until after the current management has moved on.

I nominate this one for the "Most Retarded post of 2010" award. We still do that, right?

seamonster
12-30-2010, 01:25 PM
I nominate this one for the "Most Retarded post of 2010" award. We still do that, right?

There's a level of trust that has to be established after an individual goes out their way, for years, to cheat a system. That's never been established with the patriots. The patriots are and have been for years a dirty team, the NFL shouldn't be awarding that.

seamonster
12-30-2010, 01:28 PM
Hi. You're a stupid ****.

You need to step away from your parents thirty five dollar gnubby cellar futon and formulate an opinion before you go around with the tough talking internet verbage.

Sassy Squatch
12-30-2010, 01:33 PM
You need to step away from your parents thirty five dollar gnubby cellar futon and formulate an opinion before you go around with the tough talking internet verbage.
lolwut?

ModSocks
12-30-2010, 01:35 PM
There's a level of trust that has to be established after an individual goes out their way, for years, to cheat a system. That's never been established with the patriots. The patriots are and have been for years a dirty team, the NFL shouldn't be awarding that.

And what would the patriots need to do to gain trust in your opinion?

JD10367
12-30-2010, 03:03 PM
You need to step away from your parents thirty five dollar gnubby cellar futon and formulate an opinion before you go around with the tough talking internet verbage.

If you're a stupid fuck, what makes you think your lame attempt at an insult would bother me? Stupid fuck.

JD10367
12-30-2010, 03:06 PM
lolwut?

Yeah, apparently "formulating your own opinion" means assuming that Belichick has cheated for years and that the Patriots have been a dirty team for years. Never mind that whole 16-0 season after Spygate. Or the 10 years of winning seasons and 4 SB appearances. Apparently "formulating your own opinion" means thinking that Brady is an awful QB and that he's only winning because he cheats.

Did I mention... stupid fuck?

RealSNR
12-30-2010, 03:08 PM
IMO it's between Belichick and Haley.

Belichick doesn't get enough credit for what he does because people simply say, "Oh, he's got Brady". This season, most people predicted the Pats at 8 or 9 wins. In training camp, they lost their #1 corner (Leigh Bodden) and a top D-lineman (Ty Warren). Their best OL (Logan Mankins) held out for over half a year. They traded Moss only a month into the season. They have two unheralded backs (Green-Ellis and Woodhead the Smurf). At WR they have one little dude coming back from a knee injury (Welker) and another little dude rescued from obscurity in Seattle where his career was flagging (Branch). They have two rookie tight ends. On defense they have rookies and walk-ons up and down the roster, including starting a rookie at corner (McCourty) and linebacker (Spikes). And they went up against the iron of the NFL, playing a bunch of teams that are in the playoffs (Jets twice, Chicago, Indy, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Green Bay probably will make it). And so far they've only lost 2 games... and 1 of them was against a crap Browns team when the Pats just failed to show up.Belichick and ol what's his dick in Atlanta should be considered before Haley, sadly. I'll love it if Haley wins it, but outstanding record needs to be considered before all of that.

That is, of course, assuming that Atlanta wins their final game this week.

kysirsoze
12-30-2010, 03:11 PM
I wouldn't give the patriots anything. Nobodys saying it, but they're just a weird team. Brady isn't the quickest, most nimble thinker to play his position and as far as quarterbacks go he's like a lumbering statue in the pocket, yet the long hair still manages to find these attack vectors and vulerabilities in good defenses. After years of video taping, side line wedges, and bllshit the NFL shouldn't trust the patriots and they shouldn't be awarding that organization until after the current management has moved on.

I know that everybody's piling on this dude, but he's kinda right. They were busted for cheating and only this year McDaniels even admitted to his staff that the taping and reviewing of opponent practices was something that was coached from the top down. Bellichick's great, no doubt, but I don't think the dude deserves any accolades from the league considering the fact that he brought the whole integrity of the game into question.

JD10367
12-30-2010, 03:28 PM
I know that everybody's piling on this dude, but he's kinda right. They were busted for cheating and only this year McDaniels even admitted to his staff that the taping and reviewing of opponent practices was something that was coached from the top down. Bellichick's great, no doubt, but I don't think the dude deserves any accolades from the league considering the fact that he brought the whole integrity of the game into question.

Spygate has been beaten to death, so I'll simply reply: if you honestly think that Belichick is the only coach who ever taped a practice, and that other things don't go on in both football as well as other sports, then you're not a realist. From trying to cheat the salary cap (Broncos) to signing other teams' recent cuts just to get the plays (everyone). From stealing signals (baseball) to doing something as childish as turning the hot water off in a team's visiting locker room (Red Auerbach was famous for this one).

Belichick's defensive game plan as the Giants' DC is in the HOF. I believe his gameplan against the Rams in the '01 SB is also in there. He has a decade-long history of winning, of smart personnel moves, and solid coaching moves. After Spygate they won every game they played; if that's not enough for you, I don't know what is. Not to mention that none of this has any bearing on his coaching job this season; you can't NOT give someone COY simply because you don't like what they did a couple of seasons ago. Otherwise I guess Vick shouldn't get Comeback Player of the Year.

And I was piling on him because he's a fucktard who introduced himself with a nonsensical badly-worded paragraph which made little sense on the surface and even less when you tried to understand it. I'm still wrapping my head around the whole "Brady isn't the most nimble thinker" comment...

FAX
12-30-2010, 04:19 PM
With all due respect, Mr. JD10367, the "everybody does it so it's okay" argument is kind of weak, to be honest. Two wrongs do not make a right. Nor do 32 wrongs, 1 whoopdedoo, and a large bucket of tomato puree.

Think of it this way; if everybody else where chopping off their testicles with a framing axe, would you do the same? (Answer honestly, now.)

Personally, I have no opinion one way or the other as to whether or not Belichick should receive COTY ... although I'd prefer that Haley receive the honor. However, building your case that "Spygate" was somehow mitigated because baseball teams steal signals is ... well ... sorta wacky.

FAX

Sassy Squatch
12-30-2010, 04:21 PM
With all due respect, Mr. JD10367, the "everybody does it so it's okay" argument is kind of weak, to be honest. Two wrongs do not make a right. Nor do 32 wrongs, 1 whoopdedoo, and a large bucket of tomato puree.

Think of it this way; if everybody else where chopping off their testicles with a framing axe, would you do the same? (Answer honestly, now.)

Personally, I have no opinion one way or the other as to whether or not Belichick should receive COTY ... although I'd prefer that Haley receive the honor. However, building your case that "Spygate" was somehow mitigated because baseball teams steal signals is ... well ... sorta wacky.

FAX
Chopping off your testicles hurts you. If everyone else does it, laugh. Cheating helps you. If everyone else is doing it, you better jump on that fucking ship/

milkman
12-30-2010, 09:05 PM
I wouldn't give the patriots anything. Nobodys saying it, but they're just a weird team. Brady isn't the quickest, most nimble thinker to play his position and as far as quarterbacks go he's like a lumbering statue in the pocket, yet the long hair still manages to find these attack vectors and vulerabilities in good defenses. After years of video taping, side line wedges, and bllshit the NFL shouldn't trust the patriots and they shouldn't be awarding that organization until after the current management has moved on.

Wow.

Just wow.

SAUTO
12-30-2010, 09:24 PM
AgreedIn retrospect, Macklin in 2009 instead of Ty-Jack would be sitting pretty fuckin' sweet with me right now.
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SAUTO
12-30-2010, 09:29 PM
Wow.

Just wow.

Lol yep
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ChiefGator
12-31-2010, 07:36 AM
Belichick and ol what's his dick in Atlanta should be considered before Haley, sadly. I'll love it if Haley wins it, but outstanding record needs to be considered before all of that.

That is, of course, assuming that Atlanta wins their final game this week.

I guess I disagree. I don't think Coach of the year means, coach of the team that has the best record. Both Atlanta and New England are good improving teams, but were both very good last year as well. I'm not sure why people thought New England was in rebuild mode. Because they are starting a couple rookies? Atlanta had a bit of a down-year last year, but they were expected to be in the hunt.

To take a team that was 4-12 the year before (and 2-14 the year before) and coach them up to 11-5 is a damn impressive job.

That would get my vote any day.

PunkinDrublic
12-31-2010, 08:24 AM
Coach Haley walks into a room, he doesn't even have to ask, I immediately make him a sandwich. That's the kind of respect I have for him. Hope he wins.

ReynardMuldrake
12-31-2010, 08:44 AM
I guess I disagree. I don't think Coach of the year means, coach of the team that has the best record. Both Atlanta and New England are good improving teams, but were both very good last year as well. I'm not sure why people thought New England was in rebuild mode. Because they are starting a couple rookies? Atlanta had a bit of a down-year last year, but they were expected to be in the hunt.

To take a team that was 4-12 the year before (and 2-14 the year before) and coach them up to 11-5 is a damn impressive job.

That would get my vote any day.

If you look at the single season improvement due soely to the coaching staff, Haley clearly should be COTY. No other team has improved as much as the Chiefs this season.

Chief Roundup
12-31-2010, 09:46 AM
I think he is definately in the running but so is Steve Spagnolo, and Raheem Morris.
I am thinking Spagnolo will win it though. Rams were 1-15 last year. Rookie QB and all.

ReynardMuldrake
12-31-2010, 12:01 PM
By Bill Williamson

Todd Haley has turned around the Chiefs much sooner than anyone, including himself, expected.In August, Todd Haley had no idea his second season in Kansas City would be so delightfully better than his first season.

Still, he sensed he was on the right track -- even though it likely wouldn’t be the fast track to NFL riches.

“I knew last year wasn’t going to be easy or fun or smooth or comfortable,” Haley said on one of the final days of the Chiefs’ training camp in August. “And it lived up to expectations. ... But we were building a program and trying to change things. We’re doing it our way.”

Four months later, it is evident Haley did it his way better than any other NFL coach in 2010.

The Chiefs (10-5) are the surprise division winner in the AFC West and one of the biggest turnaround stories in the NFL. Kansas City was 4-12 in 2009 in Haley's first season after new Kansas City general manager Scott Pioli hired him away from Arizona, where he was the Cardinals' offensive coordinator. Haley’s final game with Arizona was a Super Bowl loss to Pittsburgh. After accepting the task in Kansas City, it seemed like that game would be Haley's last postseason experience for a while. The Chiefs, who last won the AFC West seven years ago, won only 10 games the three previous seasons.

Yet, Haley’s Chiefs -- who are 7-0 at home heading into Sunday’s regular-season finale against Oakland -- are preparing to face either New York, Baltimore or Pittsburgh on Jan. 8 or Jan. 9 in the wild-card round.

Haley’s work with this team has been stunning, and he's the easy choice for NFL Coach of the Year.

Who else could it be?

Sure, St. Louis coach Steve Spagnuolo could get consideration if his 7-8 Rams beat Seattle to win the NFC West. It would be a huge improvement for the Rams, who went 1-15 last season. But Haley’s work this season isn’t less impressive. Here’s a tiebreaker: Haley’s Chiefs beat Spagnuolo’s Rams in St. Louis easily in Week 15.

Other candidates include Philadelphia’s Andy Reid, Chicago’s Lovie Smith, Atlanta’s Mike Smith, New England’s Bill Belichick and Pittsburgh’s Mike Tomlin. No one has done the job Haley has done this season.

Not much was expected this season in Kansas City -- even in Kansas City. The Chiefs were just hoping to be more competitive in 2010 than they were in 2009 and continue to build the program on both sides of the ball. Instead, Haley has orchestrated the biggest one-season turnaround in Kansas City history.

“Through experience I have learned that you can get things going at least in the right direction,” Haley told reporters this week. “For us to get to this spot, this quick, is really great. I can’t say that it was necessarily expected.’’

Haley has overseen a major reconstruction on offense and defense. Offensively, the Chiefs are one of the more efficient and hard-nosed teams in the league. Quarterback Matt Cassel has made great strides this season. The running tandem of Jamaal Charles and Thomas Jones leads the NFL’s No. 1-ranked run offense. Kansas City has committed only 12 turnovers, three behind New England, which leads the league with nine. The NFL record for fewest turnovers in a season is 12.

Although he clashed with Todd Haley in 2009, Derrick Johnson had a Pro Bowl season in 2010 and was awarded a contract extension.On defense, Kansas City is aggressive and timely. In 2008 and ’09, Kansas City combined for 32 sacks, including an NFL record-low 10 in ’08. Kansas City has 34 sacks this season.

There’s no doubt Kansas City has benefited from the additions of offensive coordinator Charlie Weis and defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel. Haley said as early as the NFL combine in February that the hiring of the former key New England assistants would help free him to do more of what he wanted to as the CEO of the staff.

Haley, who is fourth in the league in going for it on fourth down (21 times), is not afraid of being different. Who can forget when assistant coach Maurice Carthon brought a portable toilet onto the field for players to catch passes out of to improve their concentration during training camp? During a minicamp, Haley had select veterans dress as coaches and instruct their teammates in an exercise to build team chemistry. Haley had the same thing in mind on a hot day in training camp when he suddenly blew the whistle on practice and sent his team to the movies.

Still, Haley has a reputation for having a hard edge. He argued with Terrell Owens in Dallas and Anquan Boldin in Arizona as an assistant coach. In his first year in Kansas City, Brian Waters, Dwayne Bowe and Derrick Johnson spent time in Haley’s doghouse.

To his credit, Haley doesn’t believe in burying players. This summer, Haley said he was thrilled that players persevered through the culture change from the Herm Edwards era to his program. Edwards was known as a player-friendly coach. Haley was not interested in adding to his Facebook friend collection when he came to Kansas City. Haley said in August he felt like his players were all “buying into” his program.

This year, Waters and Bowe made the Pro Bowl. Johnson had a career year and was awarded a contract extension.

It’s clear that Haley’s master plan is working in Kansas City and it is clear he was the right choice by Pioli. Haley has now won a division title with five different teams as an NFL coach, either as an assistant or head coach. No other active head coach can say that.

There’s no doubt Haley deserves to be the coach of the year. Still, he’s sticking to his preseason mantra. The job is not done.

“I know we have a lot of work to do, and I don’t think we’re there yet,” Haley said. “We still have our issues and things we have to continue to work on, and I don’t think anything has changed for us as a team. We just have to get a little better every day and that will give us our best chance.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/22516/haley-is-easy-choice-for-coach-of-the-year

JD10367
12-31-2010, 12:06 PM
I guess I disagree. I don't think Coach of the year means, coach of the team that has the best record. Both Atlanta and New England are good improving teams, but were both very good last year as well. I'm not sure why people thought New England was in rebuild mode. Because they are starting a couple rookies?

It's more than a couple of rookies. And it's also other additions they've had to work in (Crumpler, Branch) and losses they've suffered (Ty Warren, Leigh Bodden, trading Randy Moss). And it's the schedule they faced. Many people were picking them for a wildcard at best.

Still not sure who I'd vote for, but I think Belichick and Haley will be a very close race for it, and whoever edges out for COY won't do it by much.

Amnorix
01-02-2011, 08:27 PM
I guess I disagree. I don't think Coach of the year means, coach of the team that has the best record. Both Atlanta and New England are good improving teams, but were both very good last year as well. I'm not sure why people thought New England was in rebuild mode. Because they are starting a couple rookies?[quote]

Had the youngest defense in the NFL and started soemthing like 4 rookies, and had a brutal schedule and went 14-2 to get the #1 seed, with Belichick becoming the first coach in NFL history to have four separate 14 win seasons. Pats beat every team in the AFC playoffs except the Chiefs (who they did not play) and two of the six NFC playoff teams (Bears/Pack).

Patriots have set records for fewest turnovers in a season, fewest INTs in a season, most consecutive home wins in NFL history and have won the last five games by an average of something like 20 points.

I'm not saying BB is the obvious winner and would be robbed if it went to someone else, but it's not like it would be a crime for him to get it either.

[quote]To take a team that was 4-12 the year before (and 2-14 the year before) and coach them up to 11-5 is a damn impressive job.

That would get my vote any day.

Well, 10-6, and NFC West was your rotation. Not that you can do anything other than play your schedule, and I certainly respect what the Chiefs have done, and won't complain if Haley gets the award, but it is worth noting.