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chief52
12-31-2010, 05:32 PM
They then followed that up with a question for Holtz about his New Year's Eve plans, and he said he might try to catch Benny Goodman or the Glenn Miller Orchestra, and maybe see when the Hindenberg was landing in New Jersey. So I'm not sure Holtz is the best authority on the subject.

I did consider that...I actually did because I feel the same way about him. But I think he has a pretty good handle on recruiting in the NCAA...especially with his son still coaching. The entire coaching staff is on the road during the recruiting period I believe. That means load up your rascal Charlie!

The Bad Guy
12-31-2010, 05:32 PM
I love me some Sweet Lou Holtz.

tomahawk kid
12-31-2010, 05:36 PM
That doesn't hold much water.

He's paid 2 mill a year from the Chiefs and has the buyout money from ND, which was a boat load.

You're probably right, and not to split hairs - but would the agent have gotten a clip of the ND buyout?

I, for one, think it would suck to lose him.

Shogun
12-31-2010, 05:46 PM
Todays Q/A with Weis

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/QA-with-Charlie-Weis-1231/6c7fc869-69f9-444c-bbeb-a3f36b0153e9

Q: Could you tell with Coach Haley at a young age that he had potential?



WEIS: “It is easy to see with a young guy when there is a bright future ahead of him. It starts with work ethic and then you see that they learn under guys that were there during the (Bill) Parcells regime when to make a suggestion and to not be afraid to make a suggestion based off of research. That is what I saw from him. I mean we shared an office; it was a real small office. I was in there a lot and he was always in there. He studied, he studied, he studied and wasn’t afraid to be told he was wrong because if he had done something that was based off of research, he wasn’t afraid to give an answer even though he was a young guy. Most young guys are afraid to be wrong so they don’t say something, that wasn’t his case.”

Q: Can you talk about, in general, the decision to play or not to play certain players in a Week 17 game when the team is already in the playoffs?

WEIS: “It depends on momentum, that is one thing that comes into play. You always raise the question, do you lose momentum if you end up doing that? Which has been the case historically in the past, but more importantly I think it is the experience. Those teams that have been there year in and year out can handle it a little differently than a team that just gets to the dance for the first time in awhile. Fortunately we have a hungry group of guys that want to play. That is a good thing.”

Nothing about Florida

Chiefs Pantalones
12-31-2010, 05:47 PM
I agree that the timing of this news is the worst part...I don't care about losing him, but what a shitacular time for the news to break.

Same thing happened to us in 97 with Hackett. Granted it was a blessing that he left, but the timing sucked.

The Bad Guy
12-31-2010, 05:49 PM
You're probably right, and not to split hairs - but would the agent have gotten a clip of the ND buyout?

I, for one, think it would suck to lose him.

Absolutely. He got a % of the negotiated deal in the beginning.

booger
12-31-2010, 05:54 PM
dammit charlie

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:D

Von Dumbass
12-31-2010, 06:00 PM
I will not tolerate any McDaniels praise from any of you after the past two years.

The Bad Guy
12-31-2010, 06:05 PM
I will not tolerate any McDaniels praise from any of you after the past two years.

Fuck off.

I don't need your approval on a message board that you agreed to leave but then backed out of because you're a gutless cockbag.

Smed1065
12-31-2010, 06:09 PM
I really hope McDaniels doesn't go to KC. Only a real douche would go inside the division one year after coaching a team.

Seems to be his motive. Want to be the best. According to your old sig........

Ebolapox
12-31-2010, 06:09 PM
I will not tolerate any McDaniels praise from any of you after the past two years.

it's funny, we don't tolerate your useless shit; however, you continue to keep posting it.

fuck off.

Smed1065
12-31-2010, 06:09 PM
I will not tolerate any McDaniels praise from any of you after the past two years.

Yeah, I guess you sucked his dick for all.

Rams Fan
12-31-2010, 06:11 PM
I will not tolerate any McDaniels praise from any of you after the past two years.

From what I've read in my short time here, posters said McD was an awful HC but he knew how to coach offense.

keg in kc
12-31-2010, 06:19 PM
Now this is some fucked-up timing.

KcMizzou
12-31-2010, 06:23 PM
kentbabb Kent Babb
Hearing so many conflicting rumors on weis, it's crazy. Some involve fla, others with him staying in the nfl. Most involve him leaving kc.


kentbabb Kent Babb
At any rate, I'll be on SportsCenter, I guess on ESPNews, at 7:45 central, to try to make heads or tails of this Weis situation.

Mr. Arrowhead
12-31-2010, 06:25 PM
actually think we would take a bigger hit if we loss crennell over wies

keg in kc
12-31-2010, 06:26 PM
kentbabb Kent Babb
Hearing so many conflicting rumors on weis, it's crazy. Some involve fla, others with him staying in the nfl. Most involve him leaving kc.Wonder if something happened this week.

FringeNC
12-31-2010, 06:28 PM
Wonder if something happened this week.

I wonder if it has anything to do with the bad audible Cassel made that got him yanked for a series. Perhaps that was the final straw for one of the two.

keg in kc
12-31-2010, 06:29 PM
I wonder if it has anything to do with the bad audible Cassel made that got him yanked for a series. Perhaps that was the final straw for one of the two.What's the story there? I was in West Virginia on Sunday and haven't seen more than 2 or 3 highlights from the game.

FringeNC
12-31-2010, 06:31 PM
What's the story there? I was in West Virginia on Sunday and haven't seen more than 2 or 3 highlights from the game.

Haley claimed it was to work out a problem with strategy. Who knows really...

chief52
12-31-2010, 06:32 PM
Just for the record, Art Shell was the Raiders head coach in '94 and joined Marty's staff in '95. I loved that :):):)

Sully
12-31-2010, 06:33 PM
Yes, you're off. Started calling plays late in '07. Completely in '08.

Thanks.
I wonder why I was so convinced about that. I probably would've bet money on it.


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HIChief
12-31-2010, 06:37 PM
A specious report if ever there was one.

Smed1065
12-31-2010, 06:41 PM
From what I've read in my short time here, posters said McD was an awful HC but he knew how to coach offense.

He does not want to suck a OC dick..............

Best ever was the old sig, no?

salame
12-31-2010, 06:51 PM
doesn't Haley hate McD?
did you guys forget that?

Smed1065
12-31-2010, 06:56 PM
Hire him and gone in 2 weeks.........

beach tribe
12-31-2010, 06:59 PM
I doubt it -- if he didn't want to give them permission he could have denied it.

This probably has something to do with Weis telling them that he a) couldn't take the grind of the NFL, b) wanted more control than Haley was willing to cede, or c) something completely different that no one in the media is ever going to consider because it probably is personal and makes too much sense.

But yeah, kinda sucks that the attention will be on whether or not this will make us turn into the 2007 Chiefs. As I said before, we have a solid, young, team and there are many coordinators who will shake loose who would LOVE to have the players we have to gameplan with...

Oh yeah. Duh. I didn't think that through too well. I was too shocked by all of this to really do so.

Smed1065
12-31-2010, 06:59 PM
Fuck rookies and fuck Florida.

Awesome......

MIAdragon
12-31-2010, 07:18 PM
I know there are quite a few haters of the guy here but I think his loss will hurt more than most think. He's put together an offense that leads the league in rushing are in the top 10 in total offense and made Cassel look like a young Tom Brady.

Here are a few quick stats. (top are 09 stats and bottom are 10)

Total Offense
25th
9th

PTS a Game
18.4
23.7

Yrds/g
303.2
359.6

Yrds/P
4.8
5.4

1stD/G
16
20

I think we could easily see a step back in O production next year.

keg in kc
12-31-2010, 07:21 PM
I don't think we'll see a step back, but I don't see changing coordinators every year as a positive. There's has to be some continuity at some point.

DTLB58
12-31-2010, 07:21 PM
actually think we would take a bigger hit if we loss crennell over wies

Agreed. The Defense has much more work left to do. I think They would be lost without Romeo right now.

Wyndex
12-31-2010, 07:22 PM
Isnt' Mortenson the guy that promised Shanahan was headed her as our Head Coach???

lol I'll believe it when I see it

I will say this though, if Weis is out then do we look at McDaniels??!! LMAO!!!

seriously though I hope we get a veteran guy instead of some new dick

Brainiac
12-31-2010, 07:31 PM
I keep seeing people post that Mortenson reported that Shanahan was going to be our head coach. I don't remember it that way. I remember Mortenson always adding the disclaimer that a KC radio station was reporting that Shanahan was coming here.

It's a subtle difference, but an important one.

WebGem
12-31-2010, 07:32 PM
I will say this though, if Weis is out then do we look at McDaniels??!! LMAO!!!

Why the hell wouldn't we?

The Bad Guy
12-31-2010, 07:33 PM
I keep seeing people post that Mortenson reported that Shanahan was going to be our head coach. I don't remember it that way. I remember Mortenson always adding the disclaimer that a KC radio station was reporting that Shanahan was coming here.

It's a subtle difference, but an important one.

No, Mort said he had sources that were telling him Shanny was going to KC.

He wasn't piggybacking initially and was reporting it as a done deal.

Thig Lyfe
12-31-2010, 07:36 PM
This whole thing is weird.

chief52
12-31-2010, 07:37 PM
Obviously if the OC position opened McDaniel would be someone to look at. I believe it all depends on the relationship Haley has with McDaniel...and who knows what that is. I surely do not put much value in the shake refusal after the ass kickin'.

KcMizzou
12-31-2010, 07:40 PM
This whole thing is weird.And shitty.

salame
12-31-2010, 07:43 PM
Obviously if the OC position opened McDaniel would be someone to look at. I believe it all depends on the relationship Haley has with McDaniel...and who knows what that is. I surely do not put much value in the shake refusal after the ass kickin'.

I'm sure had denver not offered him a head coaching job he would have been a prime candidate for our OC that year anyways

MIAdragon
12-31-2010, 07:44 PM
And shitty.

X2

MIAdragon
12-31-2010, 07:47 PM
I hope when the details spill out, it doesn't leave the organization with a proverbial "black eye" that scares potential replacements away.

JD10367
12-31-2010, 08:08 PM
I know there are quite a few haters of the guy here but I think his loss will hurt more than most think. He's put together an offense that leads the league in rushing are in the top 10 in total offense and made Cassel look like a young Tom Brady.

Here are a few quick stats. (top are 09 stats and bottom are 10)

Total Offense
25th
9th

PTS a Game
18.4
23.7

Yrds/g
303.2
359.6

Yrds/P
4.8
5.4

1stD/G
16
20

I think we could easily see a step back in O production next year.

Here's another quick stat.

2009: first year for Haley and Cassel in KC
2010: drafted Moeaki, McCluster, and Arenas, and signed Thomas Jones

It's probably not one extreme or another. I'm sure Weis helped the offense. I'm also sure the offense would probably have improved without Weis. I think if the Chiefs add O-line depth and WR depth, it'll probably offset whatever Weis brought to the table... and it's possible that whoever they bring in as OC might be just as good--if not better--than Weis.

bevischief
12-31-2010, 08:09 PM
Who takes his place?

JD10367
12-31-2010, 08:13 PM
I don't think we'll see a step back, but I don't see changing coordinators every year as a positive. There's has to be some continuity at some point.

Quick. Name the Patriots' OC and DC.

KcMizzou
12-31-2010, 08:14 PM
Quick. Name the Patriots' OC and DC.lol... ummm...

Good point.

Bowser
12-31-2010, 08:17 PM
Who takes his place?

Mecca

Frankie
12-31-2010, 08:19 PM
I would love mcdaniels as an OC. I just worry that him and haley would clash. I think mcdaniels would turn this cassel into a superstar.

I think even McDAssholewill know who the boss is. I'm not worried about that. I had worried about Weis, having been Haley's superior would feel comfortable working under him.

I actually think McD. would probably call more aggressive, more exciting games than old Weis did. Especially against the Donks. Some of Weis's calls were really strange.

Hoover
12-31-2010, 08:20 PM
I don't think NE even has a true OC

Frankie
12-31-2010, 08:21 PM
mortreport Chris Mortensen
On Weis, also have updated to report his exit was inevitable. Haley had strong oversight w offense & Cassel. Weis wants autonomy.

Sounds like Weis was a glorified QB coach. :hmmm:

RustShack
12-31-2010, 08:22 PM
I will not tolerate any McDaniels praise from any of you after the past two years.

HC and OC are completely different, dumbass.

Spott
12-31-2010, 08:22 PM
Who takes his place?

Mangino?

Frankie
12-31-2010, 08:22 PM
I really hope that handshake business is past Mcdaniels, he should be the 1st person we contactAgreed. Having an aggressive asshole as an OC is as good as having him as HC is bad.

RustShack
12-31-2010, 08:25 PM
doesn't Haley hate McD?
did you guys forget that?

Haley isn't a woman. One small conflict doesn't mean you hate and always will hate someone.

RustShack
12-31-2010, 08:27 PM
I know there are quite a few haters of the guy here but I think his loss will hurt more than most think. He's put together an offense that leads the league in rushing are in the top 10 in total offense and made Cassel look like a young Tom Brady.

Here are a few quick stats. (top are 09 stats and bottom are 10)

Total Offense
25th
9th

PTS a Game
18.4
23.7

Yrds/g
303.2
359.6

Yrds/P
4.8
5.4

1stD/G
16
20

I think we could easily see a step back in O production next year.

That would depend on who we bring in. The Patriots offense was at its best under McDaniels.

tk13
12-31-2010, 08:28 PM
I'm just not sure McDaniels will want to have Haley over his shoulder any more than Weis did.

JD10367
12-31-2010, 08:29 PM
I don't think NE even has a true OC

They don't have an OC or a DC. Last year, they had a DC (Dean Pees) but not an OC. Point being, sometimes OC and DC are overrated, if you have a good HC, good GM, and good QB.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not sure Haley's quite good enough yet to go the Belichickian "control freak" route. Haley's definitely done better this year with less on his plate. But after his 2nd season in KC--and after one full season with Weis--he might be ready to take a step back into the offense. Maybe if McDaniels comes in, it would be more of two young guys getting their heads together (no homo) and coming up with stuff, as opposed to a Haley/Weis relationship (or lack thereof) of young/old, former-student being the boss of former-mentor, friction and arguing crappola.

RustShack
12-31-2010, 08:30 PM
I'm just not sure McDaniels will want to have Haley over his shoulder any more than Weis did.

While I agree in a way I don't think it will be as big of a deal. They both seem a lot more aggressive in their play style and I think thats where the Haley/Weis clash is. Haley is aggressive, Weis isn't.

JD10367
12-31-2010, 08:32 PM
I'm just not sure McDaniels will want to have Haley over his shoulder any more than Weis did.

McDaniels just got canned. He's probably going to have to take a step back and coordinate for a while to build up some winning on his resume again. Doing so in KC would be a close move, both geographically and divisionally (i.e. his knowledge of Denver would allow him to kick their ass twice a season). It makes sense for him.

Al Bundy
12-31-2010, 08:38 PM
Gator fans seem to think Weis taking a step back to go down there is an actual step up. They are a delusional bunch.

Mr_Tomahawk
12-31-2010, 08:50 PM
Who takes his place?

<a href="http://www.gifbin.com/982022"><img src="http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1232904646_Techno viking.gif" alt="funny animated gif"></a>

kysirsoze
12-31-2010, 08:52 PM
I will not tolerate any McDaniels praise from any of you after the past two years.

LMAO

MIAdragon
12-31-2010, 08:55 PM
They don't have an OC or a DC. Last year, they had a DC (Dean Pees) but not an OC. Point being, sometimes OC and DC are overrated, if you have a good HC, good GM, and good QB.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not sure Haley's quite good enough yet to go the Belichickian "control freak" route. Haley's definitely done better this year with less on his plate. But after his 2nd season in KC--and after one full season with Weis--he might be ready to take a step back into the offense. Maybe if McDaniels comes in, it would be more of two young guys getting their heads together (no homo) and coming up with stuff, as opposed to a Haley/Weis relationship (or lack thereof) of young/old, former-student being the boss of former-mentor, friction and arguing crappola.

Bill O'Brien is the OC, he just doesn't have the title.

LaChapelle
12-31-2010, 09:01 PM
Damn it Knowmo
if you're so intent on sticking your dick in the party dip
have enough sense to put it in the warm one

Rams Fan
12-31-2010, 09:04 PM
JD, any chance McDaniels goes back to NE?

KcMizzou
12-31-2010, 09:18 PM
I will not tolerate any McDaniels praise from any of you after the past two years.Heh, I'd like to know what, exactly, you plan to do about it?

KC Tattoo
12-31-2010, 09:23 PM
I will not tolerate any McDaniels praise from any of you after the past two years.

Did you see how awsome Cutler is playing this year for Da Bears? Man bet if he was a Bronco he would have destroyed the AFCwest & not having that Brandon Marshel WR must of really hurt too. We got Cassel oh & McD tried to get him kind of ironic if he would become a Chief, don't you think? & if so I would be ok with it. Josh McD has proven to be a quality OC, just hasn't proven himself as HC.

Chiefaholic
12-31-2010, 09:31 PM
Q: There’s something being reported in Florida that Charlie Weis is a candidate to join the staff at Florida. Is that true?

HALEY: “I have no idea. That’s something that I wouldn’t talk about right now. Our focus is on the Oakland Raiders. At a later date, if something comes up, I surely will talk about it, if there is something going on.”

Q: Just to be clear, you’re not denying that that’s going on? You’re just saying you’re not going to talk about it?

HALEY: “No. I’m saying I’m unaware of anything. Charlie was out there today coaching and we’re getting ready to beat the Oakland Raiders.”

Q: So if he’s talked to Florida or is planning on talking to Florida, that’s news to you?

HALEY: “It would be news to me.”

KILLER_CLOWN
12-31-2010, 09:37 PM
Q: There’s something being reported in Florida that Charlie Weis is a candidate to join the staff at Florida. Is that true?

HALEY: “I have no idea. That’s something that I wouldn’t talk about right now. Our focus is on the Oakland Raiders. At a later date, if something comes up, I surely will talk about it, if there is something going on.”

Q: Just to be clear, you’re not denying that that’s going on? You’re just saying you’re not going to talk about it?

HALEY: “No. I’m saying I’m unaware of anything. Charlie was out there today coaching and we’re getting ready to beat the Oakland Raiders.”

Q: So if he’s talked to Florida or is planning on talking to Florida, that’s news to you?

HALEY: “It would be news to me.”

Coachspeak or plausible deniability?


Weis loads up arrowhead, and tells all the fans "I'm Stayin" :drool:

Be Careful if the media asks Charlie the question and his answer is "I don't give a shit about Florida!"

kysirsoze
12-31-2010, 09:55 PM
Weis loads up arrowhead, and tells all the fans "I'm Stayin" :drool:

Be Careful if the media asks Charlie the question and his answer is "I don't give a shit about Florida!"


Jim Gray better not be anywhere close to this....


http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2029/grayrt.jpg

"So Charlie, Chiefs nation is waiting."


http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/92/weissg.jpg


"I'M TAKING MY TALENTS TO GAINESVILLE!"


ESPN with fans' reaction:

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7070/doughnut.jpg

Al Bundy
12-31-2010, 10:01 PM
Heh, I'd like to know what, exactly, you plan to do about it?

Hopefully leave CP forever.

DaWolf
12-31-2010, 10:08 PM
Jay Glazer tweeted that he doesn't think McD is a possibility with Haley there (paraphrasing)...

BCD
12-31-2010, 10:42 PM
IF .......... this does happen then we might need to start considering that Haley is not going to last very long as a Head Coach:rolleyes:

BCD
12-31-2010, 10:47 PM
WTF??

this is not good, it doesn't bode well for Haley's management skills. :cuss:JFC Could you be more of a drama queen about this?

BCD
12-31-2010, 10:48 PM
Haley going through 3 coordinators in 2 seasons is not a good thing.Who was 3rd?

KcMizzou
12-31-2010, 10:49 PM
JFC Could you be more of a drama queen about this?I'm guessing... yes.

Rams Fan
12-31-2010, 10:50 PM
Who was 3rd?

I was talking about all of the coordinators that have left KC(Pendergast and Gailey). The 3rd would be Weis, but I think that post was a bit premature in thinking that Weis would leave. Still to early to tell if he's leaving or not.

BCD
12-31-2010, 10:50 PM
LMAO The drama in this thread is priceless!

kysirsoze
12-31-2010, 10:53 PM
IF .......... this does happen then we might need to start considering that Haley is not going to last very long as a Head Coach. I mean if his old friend/working buddy who he respects and shared a tiny office with for 8 years ... blah,blah,blah can't handle working with him for more than a year then it's a problem.

Weis is willing to take a major demotion just to get away from Haley???
Weis is willing to leave an improving NFL franchise to become a college OC??
Haley has been here 2 years and has already gone through 3 coordinators???

that's ****ed up

Wow that is a lot of unbased specualtion in one post.

KCrockaholic
12-31-2010, 10:55 PM
LMAO The drama in this thread is priceless!

The Laz in this thread is priceless.

JD10367
12-31-2010, 10:57 PM
JD, any chance McDaniels goes back to NE?

Eric Mangini would receive a reach-around from Belichick sooner than that would happen.

chief52
12-31-2010, 11:00 PM
I was talking about all of the coordinators that have left KC(Pendergast and Gailey). The 3rd would be Weis, but I think that post was a bit premature in thinking that Weis would leave. Still to early to tell if he's leaving or not.

All change is good if it is an improvement. So far his track record for coaching changes is perfect IMO.

threebag02
12-31-2010, 11:02 PM
Happy New Year

Thig Lyfe
12-31-2010, 11:21 PM
Let's hire Brad Childress!!!

-King-
12-31-2010, 11:25 PM
JD, any chance McDaniels goes back to NE?

After all the shit he talked about the Pats? LMAO he's lucky Belichick doesn't find him and kill him.

FRCDFED
12-31-2010, 11:27 PM
Just for the mere facts that this has become an issue on our first playoff run in many years and has the potential to derail us and Weiss has not denied it would make me can his ass if I were Haley. Regardless of whether or not they get along. This would be a major douche move during a playoff run. The fact that FSU is being allowed to speak with him is a surprising development though. Some hope this isn't going to happen but why would you want him back if he was even considering leaving?

shaneo69
12-31-2010, 11:32 PM
Paul Hackett to USC part II.

This sucks.

stevieray
12-31-2010, 11:37 PM
If this is all true by some miracle, and Weis does leave, it has to be about his personality conflicts with Haley than anything.

FWIW, I've heard this rumor...from an owner of a restaurant where CW frequents.

KurtCobain
12-31-2010, 11:40 PM
That poor guy is gonna have a heat stroke down there!

JD10367
12-31-2010, 11:42 PM
FWIW, I've heard this rumor...from an owner of a restaurant where CW frequents.

Wow! You know a guy with a Dunkin' Donuts franchise?

RustShack
12-31-2010, 11:44 PM
LOL are people really talking about Gailey and Pen? Everyone knew Gailey wasn't going to work from the start, usually doesn't work when the GM(this case owner) wants to retain a coach that doesn't fit with the HC. As for Pen, everyone knew that was a stop gap for Crennel the next year.

BCD
12-31-2010, 11:49 PM
Someone get Laz some Xanax.

Iconic
01-01-2011, 12:42 AM
Anyone else wish we pick up McDaniels if this is true? He'll help Cassel immensly! I mean we could end up seeing the Patriots Cassel we all hoped for... I honestly respect McDaniels. I mean look what he turned Kyle Orton and Brandon Loyd into? Sure he's a duece bag for what he did but I'd still take him.

Thig Lyfe
01-01-2011, 12:47 AM
Maybe the schizophrenic nature of the playcalling could be a result of a power struggle. The question is, who's been calling the good games and who's been calling the bad?

FAX
01-01-2011, 01:00 AM
Maybe the schizophrenic nature of the playcalling could be a result of a power struggle. The question is, who's been calling the good games and who's been calling the bad?

Interesting perspective there, Mr. SportsRacer. Looking at it that way, my money's on Haley at this point. The head coach wins all arguments and we are a far more balanced offense now when compared to the first 8 games, or so. Of course, much of that could be due to the improved play of Cassel and Bowe.

As for this story, we need to get used to this. Whenever teams are successful, other organizations try to poach their coaching talent. Marty lost a few, for example. It's always tough on the kids, though. I wonder who gets the gall bladder?

Still, this whole deal could be a mountain in a molehill. Or, perhaps, a watermelon and bacon sandwich in an OC's gullet. It could be that Weis isn't going anywhere even though Florida wanted to discuss the opportunity with him. We've seen countless stories floated about the Chiefs, Chiefs coaches, and Chiefs players that were so far from the truth as to be laughable. We would do well to remember that the media are a bunch of lying scumbags whose rush to judgment once cost Dewey an election.

FAX

RealMarcus
01-01-2011, 01:20 AM
Keep your name hot. That's what he's doing. Next year there will be bigger expectations and a harder schedule. Not much to gain and a rep to lose in that situation.

At Florida he should keep looking good. The Gators have been underachieving. If he builds a good offense he just might get another head coaching op.

A lot of assistant coaches do this. Who was the KU def cord under Mangino? He left after the Orange Bowl and went to Miami if I remember right. He knew he was losing good players so get out while the rep is hot.

Who cares about next year anyway? We still have this year. We can worry about next year after this season ends.

KILLER_CLOWN
01-01-2011, 01:36 AM
Interesting perspective there, Mr. SportsRacer. Looking at it that way, my money's on Haley at this point. The head coach wins all arguments and we are a far more balanced offense now when compared to the first 8 games, or so. Of course, much of that could be due to the improved play of Cassel and Bowe.

As for this story, we need to get used to this. Whenever teams are successful, other organizations try to poach their coaching talent. Marty lost a few, for example. It's always tough on the kids, though. I wonder who gets the gall bladder?

Still, this whole deal could be a mountain in a molehill. Or, perhaps, a watermelon and bacon sandwich in an OC's gullet. It could be that Weis isn't going anywhere even though Florida wanted to discuss the opportunity with him. We've seen countless stories floated about the Chiefs, Chiefs coaches, and Chiefs players that were so far from the truth as to be laughable. We would do well to remember that the media are a bunch of lying scumbags whose rush to judgment once cost Dewey an election.

FAX

LOLz, good stuff as usual Fax.

Oso
01-01-2011, 01:36 AM
nCHARLIE WEIS IS FAT LLO

Shogun
01-01-2011, 02:00 AM
Keep your name hot. That's what he's doing. Next year there will be bigger expectations and a harder schedule. Not much to gain and a rep to lose in that situation.

At Florida he should keep looking good. The Gators have been underachieving. If he builds a good offense he just might get another head coaching op.

A lot of assistant coaches do this. Who was the KU def cord under Mangino? He left after the Orange Bowl and went to Miami if I remember right. He knew he was losing good players so get out while the rep is hot.

Who cares about next year anyway? We still have this year. We can worry about next year after this season ends.

This. We're still not done with quarter #4 of the season.

KcMizzou
01-01-2011, 02:02 AM
nCHARLIE WEIS IS FAT LLOsO AM I. wUT NOW BITCH? wANNA FIGHT?

Oso
01-01-2011, 02:25 AM
sO AM I. wUT NOW BITCH? wANNA FIGHT?

klOL

MoreLemonPledge
01-01-2011, 03:47 AM
http://www.allaboutbipolar.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/sky-is-falling.jpg

BossChief
01-01-2011, 04:00 AM
Pioli: Hey Josh, looks like Im gonna take the GM job in KC in a week or two and heres what I want you to do...


I want you to take the job as the new coach of the Broncos! The first thing for you to do is buy Pat Bowlen a truckload of Jack Daniels and get fully on his good side...hell, get him a hooker or three while your at it. He needs to believe in you 100% so that he trusts you to make decisions on player personnel as well as coaching. First things first, make it public that you want them to trade Cutler for "our guy" Cassel, ok...that will fuck up their quarterback and after the news gets out, backtrack a bit and let it go so that we can trade for him in KC for peanuts while still getting Bill a good pick to work with as a thank you for everything weve all been through.

Next, I want you to alienate the talent on that roster and make them all feel unwanted and do your best to trade the ones that make their displeasure public... WASTE THE PICKS after you receive them....haha even waste a few of them on that Tebow guy to make it obvious!

Im gonna hire a guy for our head coaching spot that Ive worked with for a number of years going all the way back to mine and Bills days in NY, you probably know him, hes the OC of the Cardinals and they look to be a Superbowl team. Hes a hard nosed guy and I can tell he wont be able to work with this softie guy they have in place (Chan) for very long and I am gonna bring in Charlie Weis after hes gone, but his health isnt very good so I dont think he will last very long.

Once Charlie gives me the idea that he wants to move on to a smaller workload, for health reasons or whatnot, Ill give you a heads up to REALLY FUCK THINGS UP. Im talking cheat and get caught for it, call nothing but pass plays even when the run game is doing well...make yourself unwanted and Ill bring you into KC to be a premium paid OC in the league, close to what you will likely get in Denver to be the HC.

In short, I want you to go into Denver and tear that franchise down...with Norv in place in SD and Oakland being, well, Oakland...this division will be ours.

Josh McDaniels: Im down. You have always been like a father to me Scott. Consider Denver sunk and Ill see ya in a couple years in KC!!!!

...


Far Fetched as the other possibilities thrown around in this thread, but one that I actually proposed as soon as the kid was announced as the HC in Denver.

milkman
01-01-2011, 04:26 AM
If we lost Weis and gained McDouche, I'd be ecstatic. I think McDouche is one of the brightest offensive minds in the NFL.

What he did with Orton and Lloyd was remarkable.

Weis was a bit dissappointing is his playcalling.

My fear is that we are left with neither and have someone like Mo Carthon running the show.

The problem with McDumbass is his inability to get any balance in his offenses.

SB quality offenses are ones that have balance.

DUDE LOOK WHAT MCDUMMY did for cassel as a pat

Mcdaniels did well for Cassel

What did he do for Cassel?

Did he develop Cassel's pro set mechanics?

Did he help to learn to make reads?

Rather than developing Cassel as a pro QB, he simply increased the number of snaps run out of the spread.

so who the hell can we get to deal with our asshole Head coach?

If weis leaves i wouldn't be surprised to see Haley go back to handling the offense since he seems to think he's the only guy who can run an offense.

i need to just forget about this ... it hasn't happened and still is a long shot to happen.

I will be so pissed.

This asshole head coach has this team in the playoffs 2 years removed from a 2 win season.

Baby Lee
01-01-2011, 04:34 AM
This asshole head coach has this team in the playoffs 2 years removed from a 2 win season.

Kind of like Schotty in 1990, amirite!!

You must be so pumped!!

milkman
01-01-2011, 04:38 AM
Figured.

Cassel sucked for the first handful of games as a Pat...

but when it started to matter and when the stretch run started...he blossomed...and started making all sorts of plays...

Dude is resilient and he is a gamer...was doing that with the Pats in 07...

but you're right...400 yard games back to back were just against prevent defenses and didn't really mean anything...

winning 5 in a row (I think) to win 11 and make a playoff push had nothing to do with the play of the QB...

you guys all want to say Cassel took over an undefeated team and regressed them to an 11 win team...

well what did Brady do to the Cassel led team the next year? Regressed them further?

It's bullshit.

What Cassel did in 2008 was nothing short of amazing...and that's why we have Pioli's Zombie and Just Passin' By here at all times sucking Cassel's metaphorical penis because of how he won over those fans in 08...(just like he's doing once again here in KC)

Once again.

Cassel didn't suck, and I talked at length about the fact that he was able to make plays with his arm, both with some zip and with accuracy while with teh Pats.

His problem was that he wasn't able to do that out of a pro set with any consistency.
His mechanics were really bad, and it wasn't until McDumbass increased the number of snaps out of the spread that Cassel really started to flourish.

Weis and Siriani have developed Cassel into a QB that can make plays out of the pro set.
They've turned him into an NFL QB rather than simply a spread QB.

Sweet Daddy Hate
01-01-2011, 04:48 AM
See I think the opposite about Weis. I think he helped Cassel significantly.

If this is all true by some miracle, and Weis does leave, it has to be about his personality conflicts with Haley than anything.

Mmm...

Vertical vs D&D?

milkman
01-01-2011, 04:50 AM
Good point. But so much of the vitriol was based on how Roy handled the situation (no presser in Lawrence, hop a jet and talk in Chapel Hill).

I think fans are far more accepting if the coach/player handles the situation like a man. Likely Coach K would have done this, making much of this moot.

But I do think that Dukies have an unusually high opinion of themselves, so the transition to the NBA, no matter the organization, wouldn't have necessarily been viewed as a step up, as ridiculous as it sounds.

Coach K is a far bigger asshole than most people know.

Had he left, I have little doubt that he would have done it much the same way as Roy Williams, but with even less class.

milkman
01-01-2011, 05:09 AM
I do not know. Never said I knew. Do you think Coach Haley could walk into the Chiefs and say I am leaving to go be a head coach in the NCAA? They may let him out of his contract or they may not...

Never said it was that way. Just felt if you are under contract you are under contract and the only way out is if the NFL team decides to let you out. Could be wrong. Would love to know the answer.

Ever hear of Bobby Petrino?

Nick Saban?

milkman
01-01-2011, 05:23 AM
Anyone saying Weis's playcalling sucked is in breakup denial.

I sometimes want to reach through my TV and strangle the guy while asking WTF were you thinking?

But one thing I have always liked about Weis is continued belief in balance.

Even when the Pats couldn't run the ball effectively, he still maintained a balance between the pass and run so that defenses didn't simply get after the QB.

That was a huge benefit to Brady and his development into the QB he is today.

ChiefsNow
01-01-2011, 06:03 AM
And why did Urban Meyer leave? Florida is as much a heart attack generator as the Chiefs.

With a couple or three guys under him, he can do so much more with the Chiefs, then hand off the job a well-understudied coach, at the end of the next two seasons.

Riding off to Florida in a scooter isn't how I envision Weis' departure.

I think he will investigate in his hoverround first.

Baby Lee
01-01-2011, 06:07 AM
I think he will investigate in his hoverround first.

Can one be IN a scooter, fuck you I'm getting ON the scooter.

Copyright George Carlin.

milkman
01-01-2011, 06:13 AM
you all might as well give up on Sanchez...

that dude is not going to work out

I want everyone to bookmark this post, too...because I bet in 3 years it won't be getting bumped.

even if this is true (and I have no idea)

are we forgetting Brees' first years in San Diego where he was so bad that they gave up on him and drafted Eli Manning?

???

??????

the fact of the matter is...we traded for Green...he played pro bowl caliber football for us...and the Rams got Damione Lewis out of it.

I find it funny that you are throwing Sanchez to the curb while just a couple of posts later citing Brees, who took three years to get it.

FTR, I like Sanchez, but have said since he declared for the draft that he's a guy that I wouldn't start as a rookie, and that he wouldn't get it until his 3rd season.

Also FTR, you keep lumping "drafturbators" together, when in fact, I said I thought that Bradford would have success in the right situation, and that I was not sold on Clausen as an NFL QB, and some of the other "drafturbators" agreed with one or both of those thoughts.

I also liked the intangibles that I thought Colt McCoy brought to the table and felt/feel that he will be a good NFL QB because of those intangibles.

As "drafturbators" go, I was virtually alone in that belief.

milkman
01-01-2011, 06:19 AM
Oh, and one other thing.

Where is misjudged Cassel is my belief that a QB that had spent 8 years practicing in a pro set, first at USC and then at New England, that didn't already have the mechanics of the position figured out would learn it at this stage of his career.

Spott
01-01-2011, 06:43 AM
Maybe next year we'll have an OC that can figure out how to convert on 3rd and 1 with the leagues best running game.

the Talking Can
01-01-2011, 07:03 AM
Maybe next year we'll have an OC that doesn't eat hams as a snack...

Mr_Tomahawk
01-01-2011, 07:39 AM
Any of you twitter people have anymore tweet updates regarding this?

I am guessing its a done deal since Weis hasn't issued any statements that all of this isn't true. I have a hard time imagining they would allow this to occur if it wasn't true as it serves as a distraction.

Mizzou_8541
01-01-2011, 07:40 AM
I think he will investigate in his hoverround first.

Did you intentionally jack up the spelling in the last sentence of your sig, or are you just and idiot?

Drwbllz
01-01-2011, 08:03 AM
Did you intentionally jack up the spelling in the last sentence of your sig, or are you just and idiot?

:LOL: Pot, meet kettle.

Mr_Tomahawk
01-01-2011, 08:04 AM
:LOL: Pot, meet kettle.

n00b

Drwbllz
01-01-2011, 08:05 AM
n00b



Oh no! I don't have as many posts as you! :rolleyes:

Bugeater
01-01-2011, 08:06 AM
:LOL: Pot, meet kettle.
n00b, meet lexicon.

Stanley Nickels
01-01-2011, 08:06 AM
:LOL: Pot, meet kettle.

Looks like your and idiot, too!

Drwbllz
01-01-2011, 08:08 AM
Looks like your and idiot, too!



I'll come back here when you hicks are done tossing each other's salads.

DaKCMan AP
01-01-2011, 08:14 AM
I'm concerned as a Chiefs fan, but super excited as a Gator.

Weis is a proven OC and a very good recruiter. Bringing a pro-style offense to Gainesville and the type of recruits we get is :drool:.

Hog Farmer
01-01-2011, 08:18 AM
Maybe next year we'll have an OC that doesn't eat hams as a snack...


Like that's a bad thing !

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-01-2011, 08:18 AM
I'm concerned as a Chiefs fan, but super excited as a Gator.

Weis is a proven OC and a very good recruiter. Bringing a pro-style offense to Gainesville and the type of recruits we get is :drool:.

It's actually harder to defend the spread option with the kind of recruits you already get.

Look at USC's offensive numbers the last several years. Despite a massive amount of talent, they aren't an especially effective or prolific offense.

Exotic offenses always work better in college than in the pros due to the lack of depth and speed of the teams you face.

DaKCMan AP
01-01-2011, 08:25 AM
It's actually harder to defend the spread option with the kind of recruits you already get.

Look at USC's offensive numbers the last several years. Despite a massive amount of talent, they aren't an especially effective or prolific offense.

Exotic offenses always work better in college than in the pros due to the lack of depth and speed of the teams you face.

It depends. When you have guys like Tim Tebow or Percy Harvin, the spread is difficult to defend. When you don't have those guys and when you have a dumbass as OC (Steve Addazio), it becomes rather easy for SEC defenses to defend.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-01-2011, 08:33 AM
It depends. When you have guys like Tim Tebow or Percy Harvin, the spread is difficult to defend. When you don't have those guys and when you have a dumbass as OC (Steve Addazio), it becomes rather easy for SEC defenses to defend.

The problem you guys have had on O this year has more to do with a QB who is ill equipped to play the position in that offense and youth at some of your skill positions. Andre Debose is probably going to be a really good Percy Harvinesque player.

I can understand the desire to move to a more traditional attack, but I've always felt the best offense you can run in college is a 3-4 wide package with a QB under center and a RB. You're still a threat to run, you won't scare away top level recruits at QB, and you can expose the weakest part of any college team--depth in the secondary.

Chiefs Pantalones
01-01-2011, 08:35 AM
I don't think McDaniels and Haley would have issues with each other. Both are aggressive offensively.

MahiMike
01-01-2011, 09:09 AM
I'll come back here when you hicks are done tossing each other's salads.

Dude, joke's on you. ChiefsPlanet has its own lexicon. If you use traditional English, you'll be mocked.

MahiMike
01-01-2011, 09:10 AM
So it looks like this story has some legs. In the Jacksonville Times Union today it's looking like it'll happen. Chris Mortensen also confirms. Sucks.

GloryDayz
01-01-2011, 09:16 AM
If true, this sucks!

If he goes, just like JA, TG and any other Chiefs who optionally leaves, he can KMA too. And I DON'T wish him the best. I'd be happy if he never wins another game in his life! If you're fired and land somewhere else, good for you. If you get a promotion, good for you. If you take an obvious step back with no real evidence that you needed to (family etc), FU!!

Short Leash Hootie
01-01-2011, 09:17 AM
THE SKY IS FALLING

Rams Fan
01-01-2011, 09:21 AM
THE SKY IS FALLING

Come on, TMD. I know you can do better than that. Can GoChiefs make a Photoshop of Chicken Little next to Charlie Weis at the Chiefs training facility?

FringeNC
01-01-2011, 09:24 AM
Is it a given Weis will finish out the season? This is unlike him going to Notre Dame -- that was an obvious great job and a promotion. He left on great terms in New England.

Here, I'd be shocked if one of the major reasons he is leaving is NOT some acrimony with Todd Haley. If so, I'm wondering if he shouldn't just leave now.

The Bad Guy
01-01-2011, 09:26 AM
FWIW, I've heard this rumor...from an owner of a restaurant where CW frequents.

When did he fill you in on this?

I talked to the guy who told me about Crennel this morning and he told me what I suspected, Charlie wants the offense to be his show, and not a collaboration with the HC.

nychief
01-01-2011, 09:27 AM
If he is leaving, it's because he doesnt have the control he wants... So no big loss. TH has been calling plays, perhaps. So I think we'll replace him with someone good. As this organization grows and improves we are going to lose top assistants. We should be prepared for that.

The Bad Guy
01-01-2011, 09:30 AM
Is it a given Weis will finish out the season? This is unlike him going to Notre Dame -- that was an obvious great job and a promotion. He left on great terms in New England.

Here, I'd be shocked if one of the major reasons he is leaving is NOT some acrimony with Todd Haley. If so, I'm wondering if he shouldn't just leave now.

Him leaving now would be a disaster. He's obligated to finish out the year.

Here's also what I was told this morning. Things must really been hanging on by a thread with Charlie since the Chiefs granted permission to Florida to talk to him. The Patriots/Parcells way is to eliminate all distractions and Pioli knew that this would be a firestorm.

GloryDayz
01-01-2011, 09:30 AM
If he is leaving, it's because he doesnt have the control he wants... So no big loss. TH has been calling plays, perhaps. So I think we'll replace him with someone good. As this organization grows and improves we are going to lose top assistants. We should be prepared for that.

This is true, but they can FO for allowing it to happen before the end of the season. These are not the distractions a team needs while they're making a playoff run.

Chiefs Pantalones
01-01-2011, 09:31 AM
Even Herbstreit on GameDay just now said Weis wanting to go to Florida is unusual.

The guys all said that hiring someone of Weis' strong personality with a young head coach (Mushamp) coming in is the wrong thing to do, it's a bad move.

FringeNC
01-01-2011, 09:34 AM
Him leaving now would be a disaster. He's obligated to finish out the year.

Here's also what I was told this morning. Things must really been hanging on by a thread with Charlie since the Chiefs granted permission to Florida to talk to him. The Patriots/Parcells way is to eliminate all distractions and Pioli knew that this would be a firestorm.

I agree with the second paragraph, but why would it be a disaster? Having an all-but-fired lame duck offensive coordinator seems every bit as problematic as Todd Haley resuming play-calling duties (if he hasn't already).

The Bad Guy
01-01-2011, 09:34 AM
Even Herbstreit on GameDay just now said Weis wanting to go to Florida is unusual.

The guys all said that hiring someone of Weis' strong personality with a young head coach (Mushamp) coming in is the wrong thing to do, it's a bad move.

Yeah, it doesn't make any sense why an established guy like Weis would pair up with an unknown at Florida.

The unfortunate thing is Weis will just use the excuse that he missed the college game and not give actual reasons for why he's leaving/left.

tomahawk kid
01-01-2011, 09:34 AM
Maybe its the control / personality conflict thing - but something just isn't adding up here to me.

STILL hoping this is all rumor.

The Bad Guy
01-01-2011, 09:35 AM
I agree with the second paragraph, but why would it be a disaster? Having an all-but-fired lame duck offensive coordinator seems every bit as problematic as Todd Haley resuming play-calling duties (if he hasn't already).

Because Haley doesn't call the plays on game day. Weis does based on a collaborated game plan created during the week.

I want to keep the continuinty they've had all year.

Rams Fan
01-01-2011, 09:37 AM
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense why an established guy like Weis would pair up with an unknown at Florida.

The unfortunate thing is Weis will just use the excuse that he missed the college game and not give actual reasons for why he's leaving/left.

What I don't get is the time this rumor came out. Weis should be obligated to stay with the Chiefs through the playoffs. And Pioli should have told Florida they could talk to Weis after the Chiefs are done in the playoffs.

Chiefs Pantalones
01-01-2011, 09:40 AM
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense why an established guy like Weis would pair up with an unknown at Florida.

The unfortunate thing is Weis will just use the excuse that he missed the college game and not give actual reasons for why he's leaving/left.

A lot of people claim Haley is responsible for Weis possibly leaving, but what about the other side? Weis has to get that it's Haley's team and he is an offensive guy so of course he's not gonna give the whole show to Weis. Weis knew that coming in. I don't blame Haley for him leaving, Weis has to realize that he's the OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR, not the head coach. Dude must have a huge ego. I hope we get McDaniels to replace him, if he does end up leaving.

The Bad Guy
01-01-2011, 09:46 AM
A lot of people claim Haley is responsible for Weis possibly leaving, but what about the other side? Weis has to get that it's Haley's team and he is an offensive guy so of course he's not gonna give the whole show to Weis. Weis knew that coming in. I don't blame Haley for him leaving, Weis has to realize that he's the OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR, not the head coach. Dude must have a huge ego. I hope we get McDaniels to replace him, if he does end up leaving.

Weis is a pretty flakey guy to be honest.

I think McDaniels makes sense, but what Milkman is saying is correct. All McDaniels did was put Cassel in the shotgun and have Wes Welker run a 3 yard crossing pattern. He did develop Orton some, but in terms of Cassel, he ascended far more here than with McDaniels.

FringeNC
01-01-2011, 09:46 AM
Because Haley doesn't call the plays on game day. Weis does based on a collaborated game plan created during the week.

I want to keep the continuinty they've had all year.

Maybe, but using an analogy, is it better on the kids of parents who are always fighting to stay together or get a divorce? To me, there is no obvious answer. I'd like to know what Cassel thinks about what's going on...

Sure-Oz
01-01-2011, 09:48 AM
So who would be the top OC candidates you guys would want? Mcdaniels seems obvious, what about chilly?

King_Chief_Fan
01-01-2011, 09:50 AM
Weis is a pretty flakey guy to be honest.

I think McDaniels makes sense, but what Milkman is saying is correct. All McDaniels did was put Cassel in the shotgun and have Wes Welker run a 3 yard crossing pattern. He did develop Orton some, but in terms of Cassel, he ascended far more here than with McDaniels.

what you said makes no sense....unless you want him to do what he did in NE

DeezNutz
01-01-2011, 09:51 AM
If Haley wants to continue to be hands-on with the offense, I think we'd be best served to try to make an astute hire of a young, ascending coach. Perhaps Nick Sirianni is that guy? I don't know.

But we'll need someone who won't feel the need for the offense to be "his." This is why I don't think that McDaniels will be much of a consideration, unless Haley continues to evolve as a coach and can take half a step back.

stevieray
01-01-2011, 09:59 AM
When did he fill you in on this?

I talked to the guy who told me about Crennel this morning and he told me what I suspected, Charlie wants the offense to be his show, and not a collaboration with the HC.

about a week ago...he's no schlub, but it could be stemming from his own bias or opinion. I know a guy who rails on Haley after every home game...and we're undefeated so far...:shrug:

LaChapelle
01-01-2011, 10:05 AM
Perhaps the Chargers will get Tebowed tomorrow
and the Chiefs can pick up Norv Turner and Jackson for a 1st rounder

tonyetony
01-01-2011, 10:05 AM
It's a control thing. I think we saw evidence of the conflict when Haley pulled Cassel off the field and put Croyle in for a few plays. Haley was getting a message across to Weis that he had the final say.

mcaj22
01-01-2011, 10:08 AM
What does Scott Pioli do in this situation?

does he try and keep the band together? Does he mediate? Does he just say screw it and let these guys part ways without any effort?

I am curious of his role, you would think he'd want to keep all his buddies in the same room.

LaChapelle
01-01-2011, 10:10 AM
If I'm Clark Hunt I'm concerned with the bucks
my first time head coach has me shelling out to coordinators

Von Dumbass
01-01-2011, 10:10 AM
Losing Weis will be a huge loss to KC. The Chiefs offense sucked before they brought him in.

Sure-Oz
01-01-2011, 10:12 AM
Losing Weis will be a huge loss to KC. The Chiefs offense sucked before they brought him in.

Aren't you banned after sunday?

KcMizzou
01-01-2011, 10:12 AM
Losing Weis will be a huge loss to KC. The Chiefs offense sucked before they brought him in.STFU, quitter. The football fans are talking.

FringeNC
01-01-2011, 10:13 AM
Losing Weis will be a huge loss to KC. The Chiefs offense sucked before they brought him in.

Like when we put up 524 yards against Denver last year?

milkshock
01-01-2011, 10:15 AM
so, kc isnt big enough for weis. does that say more about weiss or kc?

BCD
01-01-2011, 10:15 AM
Losing Weis will be a huge loss to KC. The Chiefs offense sucked before they brought him in.You lost your burst. You were so entertaining. :shake:

tonyetony
01-01-2011, 10:17 AM
Losing Weis will be a huge loss to KC. The Chiefs offense sucked before they brought him in.

The offense was finding it's identity before Weis. Oh yeah I forgot that you probably quit watching the last game of the season last year because you already knew how it was going to end.

milkman
01-01-2011, 10:22 AM
Weis is a pretty flakey guy to be honest.

I think McDaniels makes sense, but what Milkman is saying is correct. All McDaniels did was put Cassel in the shotgun and have Wes Welker run a 3 yard crossing pattern. He did develop Orton some, but in terms of Cassel, he ascended far more here than with McDaniels.

In fact. Orton was already coming along nicely in Chicago before he was traded to Denver.

All McDunbass really did for Orton was let him sling it around more than he had ever slung it before, but at the cost of makng the run game amost non existent.

McDumbass hasn't really developed a QB, and on his own, he also hasn't really developed an offense.

Rams Fan
01-01-2011, 10:23 AM
Losing Weis will be a huge loss to KC. The Chiefs offense sucked before they brought him in.

:facepalm: No, he was brought in to help Cassel. If he leaves, McDaniels might come to KC who wanted Cassel in Denver. McDaniels is a good OC, but sucks as a HC.

Von Dumbass
01-01-2011, 10:23 AM
You lost your burst. You were so entertaining. :shake:

You always say that when I'm saying something about the Chiefs. You will like my posts again once the Broncos use their first top 10 pick in over 25 years.

milkman
01-01-2011, 10:25 AM
Perhaps the Chargers will get Tebowed tomorrow
and the Chiefs can pick up Norv Turner and Jackson for a 1st rounder

The Spano's and AJ, for reasons only god understands, really like Norvell, so he isn't going anywhere.

They are not just giving lip service when they say his job isn't in any jeopardy.

Buehler445
01-01-2011, 10:25 AM
Soooo....I'm not reading the whole thread.

What's going on here?

Rams Fan
01-01-2011, 10:26 AM
You always say that when I'm saying something about the Chiefs. You will like my posts again once the Broncos use their first top 10 pick in over 25 years.

And what makes you think the Broncos will be better than the Chiefs or Chargers next year? The Broncos hardly have any talent. 2 years of bad drafting and a bad HC have finally caught up to the Broncos. And Tebow will be nowhere as good as Bradford. You can quote me and put that in your sig under that picture.

milkman
01-01-2011, 10:27 AM
If I'm Clark Hunt I'm concerned with the bucks
my first time head coach has me shelling out to coordinators

If Weis quits to take another job, Clark Hunt doesn't have to pay him another dime.

Sure-Oz
01-01-2011, 10:28 AM
If Weis quits to take another job, Clark Hunt doesn't have to pay him another dime.

WHo would you like for OC?

milkman
01-01-2011, 10:28 AM
Soooo....I'm not reading the whole thread.

What's going on here?

Weis may be leaving for the Gators cause he doesn't understand that the HC is in charge.

Rams Fan
01-01-2011, 10:30 AM
WHo would you like for OC?

If I were the Chiefs, I'd try to get one of the 2 OCs in AZ(one of them is running game coordinator, the other is passing game coordinator) or McDaniels.

milkman
01-01-2011, 10:33 AM
WHo would you like for OC?

I think if McDumbass can subdue his ego, with Haley keeping him in check, he could very well be a good fit as OC, with Sirianni getting the QB coach title and OC heir apparent.

I think a Haley/McDumbass team could be as effective as what the Rams had with Dick/Martz.

I just think that people need to take a step back and really look at what McDumbass has really accomplished, or more accurately, what he didn't really accomplish.

tonyetony
01-01-2011, 10:37 AM
Anyone willing to entertain that thought of Jason Garrett.

bevischief
01-01-2011, 10:39 AM
So who is on the short list besides McDaniels for the next OC?

Mr_Tomahawk
01-01-2011, 10:40 AM
Anyone willing to entertain that thought of Jason Garrett.

Would he go back as the OC of Dallas before coming here? Or are you thinking he would be too pissed to return to OC if he doesnt get the HC position?

Also...I think if he doesnt get the cowgirls HC position...good chance he will land one of the many other HC positions around the league.

Rams Fan
01-01-2011, 10:41 AM
So who is on the short list besides McDaniels for the next OC?

Maybe Grimm or Mike Miller from AZ?

The Bad Guy
01-01-2011, 10:44 AM
Losing Weis will be a huge loss to KC. The Chiefs offense sucked before they brought him in.

You will be no loss to this message board when you leave tomorrow.

SNR
01-01-2011, 10:45 AM
If Weis leaves, does that mean that the shotgun draw plays, bubble screens when the defense shows press coverage, and sideline sweeps to Thomas Jones will finally be GONE from the playbook?

JD10367
01-01-2011, 10:45 AM
I sometimes want to reach through my TV and strangle the guy while asking WTF were you thinking?

But one thing I have always liked about Weis is continued belief in balance.

Even when the Pats couldn't run the ball effectively, he still maintained a balance between the pass and run so that defenses didn't simply get after the QB.

That was a huge benefit to Brady and his development into the QB he is today.

I disagree. IMO the most overlooked part of New England's decade-long run has been the O-line. They've never had huge-name players (biggest so far was Matt Light and he's just solid, not spectacular) and yet they've kept Brady's uni fairly clean for most of his career, with notable exceptions (like that fucking Game That Shall Not Be Named to end the perfect season). After that I'd have to credit the players Belichick likes to pick up, because he always makes sure guys can pass-block if the D is coming on a blitz. I don'r give Weis a lot of credit for any of that.

Coogs
01-01-2011, 10:46 AM
Haley has said before he prefers running the football to throwing the football like they did in Arizona. They just threw the ball in Arizona because of the way that team was built on the offensive side.

He also let Chan go right before the season in a move that apparently had more to do with philosophical differences right down to the terminology used to call the plays.

He brought in Weis because they shared the same terminology which was huge to Haley as he did not want to disrupt what had been built during the 2009 season.

I suspect the next guy is going to have to be someone from within Haley's inner circle... maybe not the NE inner circle under BB.

The Bad Guy
01-01-2011, 10:46 AM
If anyone from Arizona is on the list for OC, then that's a fucking joke. That offense is awful.

Chiefs Pantalones
01-01-2011, 10:47 AM
Maybe Grimm or Mike Miller from AZ?

Grimm is probably gonna be the next head coach of the Panthers.

Mr_Tomahawk
01-01-2011, 10:48 AM
Ok gurus...

Who are offensive minded coordinators from the Parcells-tree out there who could be available?

Chiefs Pantalones
01-01-2011, 10:49 AM
Haley has said before he prefers running the football to throwing the football like they did in Arizona. They just threw the ball in Arizona because of the way that team was built on the offensive side.

He also let Chan go right before the season in a move that apparently had more to do with philosophical differences right down to the terminology used to call the plays.

He brought in Weis because they shared the same terminology which was huge to Haley as he did not want to disrupt what had been built during the 2009 season.

I suspect the next guy is going to have to be someone from within Haley's inner circle... maybe not the NE inner circle under BB.
Yeah I agree. It'll be someone that shares the same philosophy. Haley knows how important continuity is.

The Bad Guy
01-01-2011, 10:49 AM
Ok gurus...

Who are offensive minded coordinators from the Parcells-tree out there who could be available?

Jason Garrett.

Reaper16
01-01-2011, 10:49 AM
I disagree. IMO the most overlooked part of New England's decade-long run has been the O-line. They've never had huge-name players (biggest so far was Matt Light and he's just solid, not spectacular) and yet they've kept Brady's uni fairly clean for most of his career, with notable exceptions (like that fucking Game That Shall Not Be Named to end the perfect season). After that I'd have to credit the players Belichick likes to pick up, because he always makes sure guys can pass-block if the D is coming on a blitz. I don'r give Weis a lot of credit for any of that.
:spock:

You disagree? Why wouldn't a balanced offense keep defenses from selling out in blitzes all the time?

Buehler445
01-01-2011, 10:50 AM
Weis may be leaving for the Gators cause he doesn't understand that the HC is in charge.

Is the rumor legit?

bevischief
01-01-2011, 10:50 AM
Any in house candidates?

Chiefs Pantalones
01-01-2011, 10:52 AM
Any in house candidates?

Sirianni would be my guess for an in house candidate...

Mr_Tomahawk
01-01-2011, 10:52 AM
Any in house candidates?

http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/kcwolf.JPG

The Bad Guy
01-01-2011, 10:53 AM
Sirianni would be my guess for an in house candidate...

No chance. He could be promoted to QB coach, but he's not a coordinator candidate yet.

Coogs
01-01-2011, 10:56 AM
Any in house candidates?

I'd be leaning that way right now as opposed to a big name from another system. Our offense right now may not be "The Greatest Show on Turf", but it is pretty damn good.

The Bad Guy
01-01-2011, 10:57 AM
I do not want Mo Carthon as the OC either.

milkman
01-01-2011, 10:59 AM
I disagree. IMO the most overlooked part of New England's decade-long run has been the O-line. They've never had huge-name players (biggest so far was Matt Light and he's just solid, not spectacular) and yet they've kept Brady's uni fairly clean for most of his career, with notable exceptions (like that ****ing Game That Shall Not Be Named to end the perfect season). After that I'd have to credit the players Belichick likes to pick up, because he always makes sure guys can pass-block if the D is coming on a blitz. I don'r give Weis a lot of credit for any of that.

I know there's a lot more that goes into it.

The O-Line has been good, and I've also mentioned numerous times, Brady's ability to glide in the pocket to avoid pressure is better than anyone I've ever seen.

However, early in Brady's development, Weis still did maintain a balance, even when the gorund game was managing only about 3 ypc, and I think that was a big reason for their success.

Chiefs Pantalones
01-01-2011, 11:00 AM
I do not want Mo Carthon as the OC either.

Yeah Haley and Mo are already going at it quit a bit lol, it would be comical if he go it. There would be fist fights

SNR
01-01-2011, 11:00 AM
I do not want Mo Carthon as the OC either.Ugh. You brought this up, and something tells me that's what we're going to get. I've heard more glowing reports about Mo Carthon from Todd Haley than any of his assistants

Ebolapox
01-01-2011, 11:01 AM
No Carthon, plz..

LaChapelle
01-01-2011, 11:02 AM
698 posts in 24 hours
or 29.083333 posts an hour
very nice

The Bad Guy
01-01-2011, 11:02 AM
Ugh. You brought this up, and something tells me that's what we're going to get. I've heard more glowing reports about Mo Carthon from Todd Haley than any of his assistants

I think that's a natural thing when Jamaal has ascended.

Jay Glazer and Peter King both think that McDaniels won't come here.

milkman
01-01-2011, 11:02 AM
Jason Garrett.

You know, I don't really like the idea of bringing in Jason Garrett.

Something that really bothers me is the fact that the Cowboys, with Garrett calling the plays, seemed to forget that they had a couple of good RBs, but as soon as Phillips was fired, Garrett magically discoverd the ground game.

I'm not sayin', but I'm just sayin'.

milkman
01-01-2011, 11:03 AM
Is the rumor legit?

It seems to have legs.

DTLB58
01-01-2011, 11:04 AM
You know, I don't really like the idea of bringing in Jason Garrett.

Something that really bothers me is the fact that the Cowboys, with Garrett calling the plays, seemed to forget that they had a couple of good RBs, but as soon as Phillips was fired, Garrett magically discoverd the ground game.

I'm not sayin', but I'm just sayin'.

Yea, They should have been using all three of those RB's this year. Another thing that happened as soon as Garrett took over Jason Witten became a STUD again!

The Bad Guy
01-01-2011, 11:05 AM
I will say this is a massive gamble for Weis. He's essentially banking that he's going to have success in college when I'm not so sure. If he fails at Florida, he's basically setting it up where he doesn't get another HC job (even though he repeatedly said he didn't want one). If he stayed here, he'd likely have his pick after a year or 2.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-01-2011, 11:05 AM
You know, I don't really like the idea of bringing in Jason Garrett.

Something that really bothers me is the fact that the Cowboys, with Garrett calling the plays, seemed to forget that they had a couple of good RBs, but as soon as Phillips was fired, Garrett magically discoverd the ground game.

I'm not sayin', but I'm just sayin'.

The guy is a weasel. No doubt.

DTLB58
01-01-2011, 11:08 AM
It seems to have legs.

Yea the espn guys are pretty much saying it's a done deal. Laconfora (who I despise) from NFLN is just saying Weis "could be in line for the job"

I don't know, when I watched Haley's face and response yeaterday when he was asked about the report that was out there about it I thought he was lieing. Just the way it came accross to me.

Coogs
01-01-2011, 11:09 AM
In house possibility...

Bernie Parmalee enters his first season as Kansas City’s tight ends coach in 2010. He returns to the NFL coaching ranks after spending the past five seasons working for current Chiefs offensive coordinator Charlie Weis at Notre Dame (2005-09).

Parmalee served as the tight ends coach his final three seasons with Notre Dame (2007-09). He tutored the tight ends in addition to assisting with the special teams during the 2005-06 campaigns.

During his tenure with the Fighting Irish, Parmalee was instrumental in the development of three of the top tight ends in school history. Notre Dame was the only school to have two tight ends selected in the first two rounds of the NFL Draft from 2006-09. A second-round selection (38th overall) of Seattle in 2008, TE John Carlson registered 100 catches for 1,093 yards at Notre Dame. TE Anthony Fasano caught 92 passes for 1,102 yards for the Fighting Irish before being selected by Dallas in the second round (53rd overall) of the 2006 NFL Draft.

TE Kyle Rudolph started all 13 contests as a freshman in 2008, becoming the first tight end to start every game as a freshman in Fighting Irish lore. He tallied 29 receptions, the most by a freshman in Notre Dame history. Rudolph was selected to the All-Freshman team by The Sporting News.

Prior to joining Notre Dame, Parmalee spent three seasons as an assistant coach with Miami (2002-04). During his coaching tenure with the Dolphins, he served as the tight ends coach (2004), the assistant special teams coach/offensive assistant (2003) and assistant special teams coach (2002). Parmalee tutored a position group in 2004 that was led by TE Randy McMichael, who caught a team-high 73 passes for 791 yards with four TDs.

Parmalee enjoyed a nine-year NFL playing career with Miami (’92-98) and the N.Y. Jets (’99-00). During his tenure with the Jets, current Chiefs Head Coach Todd Haley and Weis both served on that club’s coaching staff.

He played in 134 games (26 starts), recording 567 rushes for 2,179 yards with 17 TDs and 168 receptions for 1,485 yards with three scores. He also registered 16 kickoff returns for 289 yards, as well as 123 special teams tackles. Parmalee also played in seven career postseason contests (four starts). Parmalee entered the NFL as a rookie free agent with Miami in ’92.

The Jersey City, New Jersey native finished his collegiate career as the all-time leading rusher in Ball State history, tallying 3,483 rushing yards and 26 touchdowns. He earned varsity letters in football and baseball as a prep standout at Lincoln High School in Jersey City, New Jersey.

chiefzilla1501
01-01-2011, 11:11 AM
I know there's a lot more that goes into it.

The O-Line has been good, and I've also mentioned numerous times, Brady's ability to glide in the pocket to avoid pressure is better than anyone I've ever seen.

However, early in Brady's development, Weis still did maintain a balance, even when the gorund game was managing only about 3 ypc, and I think that was a big reason for their success.

Agreed. I hate that a lot of people give Weis shit because he doesn't razzle dazzle.

His whole offense is genius because it's so simple. Those basic runs are either in response to a matchup or used to set up some other play. As a playcaller, I think Weis is one of the smartest, best in the game.

It sounds like the rumors are true and that sucks, because I think the Chiefs will have huge shoes to fill.

chiefzilla1501
01-01-2011, 11:15 AM
I will say this is a massive gamble for Weis. He's essentially banking that he's going to have success in college when I'm not so sure. If he fails at Florida, he's basically setting it up where he doesn't get another HC job (even though he repeatedly said he didn't want one). If he stayed here, he'd likely have his pick after a year or 2.

One thing about Weis is that he runs a pro system. It absolutely sucks that it's true, but it just makes your life a million times harder in the pros because the spread system is so much easier to learn by inferior talent. It's easy to run a pro system in the NFL when every player on your roster has superior talent. Quite another when the majority of your starters will never sniff an NFL roster.

Coogs
01-01-2011, 11:15 AM
In house possibility...

Nick Sirianni (pronounced SEER-ee-AHN-ee) begins his second season as Kansas City’s offensive quality control coach in 2010. Sirianni assists Head Coach Todd Haley and the Chiefs offensive staff with self-scouting, computer analysis and opponent breakdowns. He also assists with the production of playbooks and gameplans.

In his initial campaign with the Chiefs, he worked with the club’s quarterbacks and wide receivers during practice and performed a variety of functions on game day. Sirianni joined the Chiefs after a three-year stint as the wide receivers coach at Indiana University - Pennsylvania.

In 2008, Sirianni helped senior WR Ken Witter produce 66 receptions for 773 yards with seven TDs at IUP. Under Sirianni’s direction, Witter recorded two of the top three seasonal totals for receptions in school history. In addition to his 66 catches in 2008, Witter had 67 receptions the previous season.

Prior to joining the Crimson Hawks, Sirianni spent two seasons as the defensive backs coach at Mount Union College in Alliance, Ohio. He helped the Purple Raiders win the NCAA Division III National Championship in 2005.

Sirianni was a three-year starter as a wide receiver at Mount Union. He was part of the Purple Raiders squad that claimed back-to-back NCAA Division III National Championships in 2001-02. He concluded his collegiate career with 68 receptions for 1,332 yards with 17 touchdowns. He earned All-Ohio Athletic Conference honors as a senior after posting a career-high 13 TD catches.

Sirianni was a prep standout at Southwestern Central High School in Jamestown, New York. The Jamestown, New York native hails from a football family. His brother, Jay, is the head coach at their high school alma mater, which claimed the 2008 and 2009 New York State Class C Championships. Meanwhile, his brother, Mike, is the head coach at Washington and Jefferson College in Washington, Pennsylvania.

DaWolf
01-01-2011, 11:15 AM
Think of any disciples of the "Ron Erhardt - Ray Perkins" offensive system. They won't want to stray from that too much...

DTLB58
01-01-2011, 11:17 AM
Yeah Haley and Mo are already going at it quit a bit lol, it would be comical if he go it. There would be fist fights

Well, like weis he would more than likely be in the box on gameday calling plays.

Just curious, why don't some want Mo getting this job?

DTLB58
01-01-2011, 11:19 AM
Think of any disciples of the "Ron Erhardt - Ray Perkins" offensive system. They won't want to stray from that too much...

ie. Mo Carthon

Coogs
01-01-2011, 11:19 AM
Think of any disciples of the "Ron Erhardt - Ray Perkins" offensive system. They won't want to stray from that too much...

I think it will be an inhouse hire. Haley made it a point of developing the guys on the team. He also made it a point of developing coaches on the coaching staff. Personally, I think he has been training a guy for just this role. Maybe happening a little sooner than all of us expected... but maybe not Haley.

GloryDayz
01-01-2011, 11:20 AM
Anyone willing to entertain that thought of Jason Garrett.

Interesting....

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-01-2011, 11:21 AM
ie. Mo Carthon

He has proven that he is not an OC.

It will definitely be an Erhardt-Perkins guy, though. Look @ the OCs and assistants in NE and Miami.

Mile High Mania
01-01-2011, 11:21 AM
Josh McDaniels...

chief52
01-01-2011, 11:22 AM
It seems like Weis and Florida could have kept this quiet. Does not seem like it would be that hard to me. Find it peculiar that this got out to the media.

What is up with that?

Chiefs Pantalones
01-01-2011, 11:23 AM
Well, like weis he would more than likely be in the box on gameday calling plays.

Just curious, why don't some want Mo getting this job?

I'm not sure, it just seems like he lacks some composure. He's more like Haley's hype man, than a coach when I see film of him on NFL Films. I don't think anyone has seen him really coach other than Haley. I've just seen him get into fights with Haley or act as a cheerleader on the sidelines. But if he is the choice, I'm fine with it. Haley has my confidence.

mcaj22
01-01-2011, 11:25 AM
if they just handed it to a guy like Mo Carthon I'd be bummed.

I'd rather a guy with OC experience and not an assistant coach promoted for his first shot at play calling. That would be five steps backwards for the ten steps forward the team has taken this year.

The Bad Guy
01-01-2011, 11:29 AM
You know, I don't really like the idea of bringing in Jason Garrett.

Something that really bothers me is the fact that the Cowboys, with Garrett calling the plays, seemed to forget that they had a couple of good RBs, but as soon as Phillips was fired, Garrett magically discoverd the ground game.

I'm not sayin', but I'm just sayin'.

I don't like him at all either to be honest. I'm just saying guys from the Parcells tree.

DaWolf
01-01-2011, 11:29 AM
Well, like weis he would more than likely be in the box on gameday calling plays.

Just curious, why don't some want Mo getting this job?

He sucked badly under Romeo as the OC in Cleveland. Think of Solari and Raye having a brother, and then triple the suckage and lack of imagination...

Maurice Carthon resigned as Cleveland Browns offensive coordinator on October 24, 2006 after Cleveland managed only seven points against the Denver Broncos. Under Carthon, the Browns had managed a league-low 232 points in 2005 and had only scored 88 points through six games in 2006. Carthon was the third NFL offensive coordinator to be fired during the 2006 season. Fans—obviously fed up with Carthon—started the "Mo's Gotta Go" movement in October 2006. A website www.firemauricecarthon.com was created to express some fans' displeasure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Carthon

ILChief
01-01-2011, 11:30 AM
if they just handed it to a guy like Mo Carthon I'd be bummed.

I'd rather a guy with OC experience and not an assistant coach promoted for his first shot at play calling. That would be five steps backwards for the ten steps forward the team has taken this year.

Carthon has been an offensive coordinator for three teams

Coogs
01-01-2011, 11:32 AM
if they just handed it to a guy like Mo Carthon I'd be bummed.

I'd rather a guy with OC experience and not an assistant coach promoted for his first shot at play calling. That would be five steps backwards for the ten steps forward the team has taken this year.

I agree with the first sentence. Not so much the second part. Every coordinator out there has to have his first chance. If Haley is grooming someone for this job then I could see it happening. I don't think Haley has forgotten people have taken chances with him.

DaWolf
01-01-2011, 11:40 AM
I agree with the first sentence. Not so much the second part. Every coordinator out there has to have his first chance. If Haley is grooming someone for this job then I could see it happening. I don't think Haley has forgotten people have taken chances with him.

I agree, however it would seem to clash with what Haley has been saying all year which is that this team is still in the developmental stage. I think you can give a young guy a shot when he's had multiple years of experience and you are dealing with a veteran offensive team. For all intents and purposes, this is still a developing offense that's finding its identity and it's going to face a much tougher schedule next year, so to me I wouldn't want to put an inexperienced guy in charge for that scenario...

TEX
01-01-2011, 11:45 AM
It seems like Weis and Florida could have kept this quiet. Does not seem like it would be that hard to me. Find it peculiar that this got out to the media.

What is up with that?

Most always is the case...

Coogs
01-01-2011, 11:46 AM
I agree, however it would seem to clash with what Haley has been saying all year which is that this team is still in the developmental stage. I think you can give a young guy a shot when he's had multiple years of experience and you are dealing with a veteran offensive team. For all intents and purposes, this is still a developing offense that's finding its identity and it's going to face a much tougher schedule next year, so to me I wouldn't want to put an inexperienced guy in charge for that scenario...

If Haley is in charge of the offense during the week, and Weis is just calling the plays as Haley wants him to as has been suggested here, then why couldn't a guy that Haley has been training for 2 years do that?

Haley has earned my trust. What he has done here in a short time has been nothing short of remarkable. If he does go with inexperience, he must have a good reason.

Frankie
01-01-2011, 11:54 AM
As much as I'd PREFER not to have Weis leave (especially at this particular moment), whoever is the new OC is being handed a young team with real talent. I don't think we'll have any trouble getting someone as good (or better) than Weis.

There ARE and will many good possibilities out there for Weis's replacement. But Weis is obviously a great QB developer, and the work with Cassel is still far from done. That's why I think it makes a w\hole lot of sense to hire McDaniels to take over. Especially with his familiarity with Cassel.

Frankie
01-01-2011, 12:04 PM
I don't care if Weis leaves, but for f*cks sake, the timing of this announcement is extremly sh*tty.

My thoughts as well. Reminds me of when Marty's OC (the name escapes me) announced he had accepted the USC job right before the playoffs. It really hurt the team's PO performance.

smittysbar
01-01-2011, 12:06 PM
On the run and don't have time to read through the whole thread. Can someone give me a rundown on what happened or was said, is this a for sure thing? Thanks in advance!

DaWolf
01-01-2011, 12:12 PM
On the run and don't have time to read through the whole thread. Can someone give me a rundown on what happened or was said, is this a for sure thing? Thanks in advance!

Multiple outlets and sources are saying that Weis is leaving after the season. Haley has neither confirmed or denied. Most are implying it's likely due to a personality conflict or a case of one not having as much oversight as they want on the offense. Many of the rumors say he is taking the Florida OC job, however that is not confirmed and there is a possibility of him going elsewhere. Mortensen has said McDaniels is a possible replacement but others like Glazer are saying that's not likely as long as Haley is in charge...

Frankie
01-01-2011, 12:13 PM
I will not tolerate any McDaniels praise from any of you after the past two years.

1- Good. You can leave this forum then.

2- McD as Donks HC and having all the power sucked. McD as Chiefs OC an on a leash will be awesome. Not the same.

Frankie
01-01-2011, 12:14 PM
I really hope McDaniels doesn't go to KC. Only a real douche would go inside the division one year after coaching a team.

How did you like Shanahan?

Frankie
01-01-2011, 12:20 PM
I will say this though, if Weis is out then do we look at McDaniels??!! LMAO!!!

I actually think that's a great fit. It may very well be a blessing in disguise if Weis leaves now that McDouche is still available.

Chiefshrink
01-01-2011, 12:22 PM
What does Scott Pioli do in this situation?

does he try and keep the band together? Does he mediate? Does he just say screw it and let these guys part ways without any effort?

I am curious of his role, you would think he'd want to keep all his buddies in the same room.

This is the key question and the key person who will call the final shot and why Clark paid Pioli the big bucks:thumb:

No way McDaniels comes here primarily because of character issues which is what got him fired, not the record. Although I have no proof but my "hunch" tells me that Pioli and McDaniels were not fond of each other when they were in NE. Primarily because of what we saw in McDaniels lack of character and immaturity play itself out in Denver and Pioli saw all of this way before anybody else IMO.

Pioli will not put up with a Napoleon complex KID who thinks he is more important than he truly is, who will do "anything" to climb the NFL ladder and views Josh as "all about Josh" and not all about "team and winning".

BTW, this doesn't surprise me at all that there are control issues i.e the offense especially when there has been sucess to the point of an AFC West Div crown involved. All this Gator talk could be very well be a smokescreen bluff from Weis to Haley saying "hey, you hired me to develop Matt and call the plays, PLMTFA(please leave me the f**k alone) or i'll leave!!!

Political trial balloons! Don't you just love them?? The media and fans definitely do.

Bottom line: Anywhere there has been significant success it seems those involved "always" want their share of the "credit pie" and some want more than their share!!!:thumb:

kstater
01-01-2011, 12:24 PM
Fatso is getting all wet.

@WhitlockJason NFL media might spin Weis departure in way that downplays Haley's insecurity. NFL media won't rock the boat, still need Haley/Pioli.

BCD
01-01-2011, 12:25 PM
I still cant find any updates on this. PFT doesnt even mention this on their site.

KChiefs1
01-01-2011, 12:25 PM
1- Good. You can leave this forum then.

2- McD as Donks HC and having all the power sucked. McD as Chiefs OC an on a leash will be awesome. Not the same.

McD as Pats asst coach was good enough to get the Donks HC job so that's on par with the Chiefs OC.

KChiefs1
01-01-2011, 12:27 PM
BTW...Crennel would be a bigger loss than Weis...no pun intended.

Chiefshrink
01-01-2011, 12:31 PM
Chemistry is everything and a good GM's job is to manage this sucessfully at every turn.

Haley will always have a hard time giving up control. You can see this in his personality and especially when there has been some sucess with himself at the helm knowing how hard it is to be consistently sucessfully in the NFL he will always be more of a "tyrant" in protecting what they have built not ever wanting to take steps backward and you can't blame a guy for that attitude but Haley will eventually have to learn to trust more as time goes on or "he" will be his own demise in due time.

Frankie
01-01-2011, 12:41 PM
Paul Hackett to USC part II.

This sucks.

My thoughts as well. Reminds me of when Marty's OC (the name escapes me) announced he had accepted the USC job right before the playoffs. It really hurt the team's PO performance.

Thanks. ;)

KCBOSS1
01-01-2011, 12:44 PM
I sure hope this is wrong. I honestly thought that after the scrutiny that he faced in Notre Dame that Weis would be really happy in KC. Although, Haley may be really hard to work for. I haven't read all of the pages of dialogue, but it sounds like there has been conflict with Haley and Weis, is that right? Honestly, Weis may deserve as much or more credit for Cassel's improvement than Cassel does. His play pre and post Weis are dramatically different.

RINGLEADER
01-01-2011, 12:48 PM
Chemistry is everything and a good GM's job is to manage this sucessfully at every turn.

Haley will always have a hard time giving up control. You can see this in his personality and especially when there has been some sucess with himself at the helm knowing how hard it is to be consistently sucessfully in the NFL he will always be more of a "tyrant" in protecting what they have built not ever wanting to take steps backward and you can't blame a guy for that attitude but Haley will eventually have to learn to trust more as time goes on or "he" will be his own demise in due time.


If the guy you are managing doesn't get his role or tries to do things you don't agree with then you replace him. Haley is the head coach. Not Weis.

All this "Haley doesn't know how to play nice" is -- if the reports are true and I believe they are at this point -- coming from a couple of men who don't agree with Haley's approach (which, I might point out, emphasized Charles a lot more as a primary runner in the second half of last season which was something most on this board seemed to want). That's fine. But Weis is the one who is unable to deal with Haley's input. Not the other way around.

Because Haley is the head coach. Not Weis.

smittysbar
01-01-2011, 12:50 PM
Multiple outlets and sources are saying that Weis is leaving after the season. Haley has neither confirmed or denied. Most are implying it's likely due to a personality conflict or a case of one not having as much oversight as they want on the offense. Many of the rumors say he is taking the Florida OC job, however that is not confirmed and there is a possibility of him going elsewhere. Mortensen has said McDaniels is a possible replacement but others like Glazer are saying that's not likely as long as Haley is in charge...
Thanks

GloryDayz
01-01-2011, 12:50 PM
I guess we know who the alpha-gimp is... :-)

DaFace
01-01-2011, 12:50 PM
It's incredible how much people listen to complete speculation about why Weiss might leave.

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Bowser
01-01-2011, 12:52 PM
It's incredible how much people listen to complete speculation about why Weiss might leave.

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Hell, it's what we do as a nation. Speculate. PLEASE DON'T MOVE THIS TO DC!!!

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DaKCMan AP
01-01-2011, 12:56 PM
What I don't get is the time this rumor came out. Weis should be obligated to stay with the Chiefs through the playoffs. And Pioli should have told Florida they could talk to Weis after the Chiefs are done in the playoffs.

Florida plans to have their staff hired and announced by January 4th, in time to recruit down the stretch once the dead (silent) period is over.

DaKCMan AP
01-01-2011, 12:56 PM
The problem you guys have had on O this year has more to do with a QB who is ill equipped to play the position in that offense and youth at some of your skill positions. Andre Debose is probably going to be a really good Percy Harvinesque player.

I can understand the desire to move to a more traditional attack, but I've always felt the best offense you can run in college is a 3-4 wide package with a QB under center and a RB. You're still a threat to run, you won't scare away top level recruits at QB, and you can expose the weakest part of any college team--depth in the secondary.

I still think they'll run an attacking, aggressive, spread out attack. But it will contain pro-style formations and will be more of a spread attack instead of a spread-option

Debose is a great talent who never seems to get any offensive touches. His freshman season he was touted as the next Percy Harvin. He got hurt, missed the entire year, and hasn't done much other than return kickoffs this year. The most frustrating thing about Florida this year is the mis-utilization of talent.