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chiefforlife
01-09-2011, 07:28 PM
mortreport Chris Mortensen Filed to ESPN: Broncos OC Mike McCoy under serious consideration to replace Charlie Weis for the Chiefs as Weis packs his bags for Gatorland

Deberg_1990
01-09-2011, 07:29 PM
That was rumoured by the Star this past week as well..

KCrockaholic
01-09-2011, 07:29 PM
mortreport Chris Mortensen Filed to ESPN: Broncos OC Mike McCoy under serious consideration to replace Charlie Weis for the Chiefs as Weis packs his bags for Gatorland

Hmm....Lets do it!

KChiefs1
01-09-2011, 07:29 PM
Another "Patriots Way" kinda coach.

Mr_Tomahawk
01-09-2011, 07:30 PM
Who?

chiefforlife
01-09-2011, 07:30 PM
Id rather have McDaniels but this guy is supposed to be good.

Mr_Tomahawk
01-09-2011, 07:32 PM
A quick glance at his Wiki...and he isnt from the Parcells Tree...oh noes! :deevee:

Deberg_1990
01-09-2011, 07:32 PM
Who?


http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/coaches/Mike-McCoy/d0f303a8-afba-4f0d-926a-f19dc6731bce

Mike McCoy enters his second season as the Broncos’ offensive coordinator in 2010 after being hired by the club on Jan. 20, 2009. A former quarterback who competed in Denver’s 1995 training camp as a rookie free agent, McCoy spent nine years (2000-08) coaching with the Carolina Panthers before joining the Broncos.

McCoy, who also coached the Broncos’ quarterbacks in 2009 in addition to his offensive coordinator responsibilities, worked in a variety of offensive capacities with the Panthers after beginning his coaching career with the club in 2000. He had stints as Carolina’s passing game coordinator (2007-08), quarterbacks coach (2002-08) and wide receivers coach (2001) while also handling offensive assistant duties (2000, ‘02) with the team.

For his NFL coaching career, McCoy has overseen five individual 3,000-yard passing seasons from his work with Panthers quarterback Jake Delhomme (4) and Broncos quarterback Kyle Orton (1). He also has been involved with the coaching of three Pro Bowl selections, helping Delhomme (2005) along with Broncos tackle Ryan Clady (2009) and wide receiver Brandon Marshall (2009) earn NFL All-Star honors.

In his first year as Denver’s offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach in 2009, McCoy helped Orton reach career highs in every passing category while tying for fifth in the NFL and matching a club record with 10 90.0+passer rating games. Clady’s work at left tackle was recognized around the league with him earning the first Pro Bowl selection of his career and becoming only the fifth tackle since the 1970 league merger to be named a first-team Associated Press All-Pro by his second NFL season.

McCoy’s offense in 2009 featured another Pro Bowl pick in Marshall, who tied for third in the league with 101 receptions, including an NFL-record 21 in one game. Running back Knowshon Moreno also enjoyed a productive season, earning All-Rookie honors after becoming just the 14th player since the 1970 NFL merger to lead league rookies in rushing yards (947), yards from scrimmage (1,160) and total touchdowns (9).

The Panthers totaled three playoff appearances, two division titles, two NFC Championship Game appearances and a berth in Super Bowl XXXVIII (2003 season) during McCoy’s nine years on staff from 2000-08. Carolina tied for the second-best record in the NFC (T-7th in NFL) from 2003-08, posting a 56-40 (.583) mark with McCoy seeing an increased role in coaching its offense in that six-year period.

McCoy worked closely with Delhomme during six of his nine years coaching with the Panthers, helping the quarterback to his first career Pro Bowl selection (2005) and four 3,000-yard passing seasons (2003-05, ‘08).

As passing game coordinator/quarterbacks coach with Carolina from 2007-08, McCoy’s passing offense averaged the seventh-most yards per completion (11.7) in the NFL during that time. Delhomme averaged the fifth-most yards per pass attempt (7.8) in the NFL during McCoy’s two seasons managing Carolina’s passing attack while wide receiver Steve Smith enjoyed similar success, ranking seventh in the league in receiving yards (2,423) over that period.

In 2008, McCoy’s instruction helped Delhomme rank fourth in the NFL in yards per pass attempt (7.9) and register his fourth career 3,000-yard passing effort (3,288). His passing offense featured a 1,421-yard receiving output from Smith that was the third best in the league and resulted in the wide receiver earning a Pro Bowl berth. The Panthers’ 12-4 regular-season record tied for the best mark by the club in franchise history and resulted in the team earning a first round playoff bye.

Injuries forced the Panthers to start four different quarterbacks (none for more than three games in a row) in 2007, but McCoy’s group of passers answered the challenge. Carolina became the first NFL team in 10 years to win at least one game with four different starters at quarterback (Delhomme, David Carr, Matt Moore and Vinny Testaverde).

McCoy’s instruction in 2007 prepared Moore, a rookie college free agent, to start the Panthers’ final three games and post victories in two of those three contests.

From 2002-06, McCoy served as the Panthers’ quarterbacks coach and also handled offensive assistant duties for the club during the first year of that period. His teaching helped Delhomme total 89 touchdown passes from 2003-06 that represented the fifth-highest total in the NFL.

In 2006, Delhomme registered a career-high 61.0 completion percentage with McCoy’s instruction helping him post a 1.55 touchdown-to-interception ratio (17-11) that was the 10th best in the league. The Panthers had an 11-5 record and advanced to the NFC Championship Game in 2005, and McCoy’s efforts with Delhomme helped the quarterback tie for fourth in the league with 24 touchdown passes and earn his first career Pro Bowl selection.

Delhomme enjoyed a career-year under McCoy in 2004, registering personal bests in passing yards (3,886) and touchdown passes (29) that both marked the second-best season totals in Panthers annals. Delhomme’s 1.93 touchdown-to-interception ratio (29-15) also ranked fifth in the NFL for the season.

McCoy helped the Panthers to an NFC South title and their first-ever Super Bowl berth (XXXVIII) during the 2003 season. Delhomme, in his first year as an NFL starter, registered a league-high seven fourth-quarter comeback drives that season.

Carolina named McCoy its wide receivers coach in 2001, and he oversaw the development of Smith during his rookie campaign. Wide receivers Mushin Muhammad and Donald Hayes each recorded more than 50 catches and 500 receiving yards under McCoy’s instruction that year.

McCoy’s coaching career began with Carolina as its offensive assistant in 2000, and he was thrust into the quarterbacks coaching role four weeks into the season. He worked closely with veteran Steve Beuerlein, helping him total 3,730 passing yards that ranked seventh in the NFL.

A quarterback in college, McCoy spent his first two seasons playing for Long Beach State University from 1990-91 under legendary Head Coach George Allen before transferring to the University of Utah for his final two years. His collegiate career ended in dramatic fashion in 1994 when he threw a game-winning, 5-yard touchdown pass to wide receiver Kevin Dyson in the final minute to give Utah a 16-13 win against Arizona in the Freedom Bowl.

The Broncos signed McCoy as a college free agent in 1995, and he spent the regular season as a rookie on Green Bay’s practice squad. He saw his first professional playing time with NFL Europe’s Amsterdam Admirals in 1997 and spent one game on San Francisco’s roster as its third quarterback that year. McCoy competed in training camp with Philadelphia in 1998 before concluding his playing career with the Canadian Football League’s Calgary Stampeders in 1999.

McCoy was born on April 1, 1972, in San Francisco. He and his wife, Kellie, have one daughter (Olivia) and one son (Luke).

DA_T_84
01-09-2011, 07:33 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_McCoy_(American_football_coach)

milkman
01-09-2011, 07:33 PM
Doesn't excite me.

Spent a few years as the QB coach for the Panthers, and QBs in Carolina are nothing to write home about.

KCrockaholic
01-09-2011, 07:33 PM
He was a QB coach which would be a good thing. Anything to improve Cassel.

Deberg_1990
01-09-2011, 07:33 PM
Doesn't excite me.

Spent a few years as the QB coach for the Panthers, and QBs in Carolina are nothing to write home about.

He was there when Delhomme was good and smokin fools.

milkman
01-09-2011, 07:36 PM
He was there when Delhomme was good and smokin fools.

Delhomme had what? 2 good seasons?

Not impressed.

chiefzilla1501
01-09-2011, 07:36 PM
Doesn't excite me.

Spent a few years as the QB coach for the Panthers, and QBs in Carolina are nothing to write home about.

That's what came to mind for me. But at the same time, it's not like he was given much talent to work with.

Tebow and Orton both improved considerably under his watch. The question is, how much of that was McDaniels and how much was McCoy.

Mr_Tomahawk
01-09-2011, 07:37 PM
Have any other OC names surfaced in the past 72 hours?

bevischief
01-09-2011, 07:49 PM
after the game today just about anyone...

Brock
01-09-2011, 07:51 PM
He made Orton look pretty good at times, I guess.

The Bad Guy
01-09-2011, 07:51 PM
It just comes down to how much was McDaniels and how much was McCoy?

If they are looking for a pushover OC, who Haley can tell what to run, McCoy might be the perfect guy.

milkman
01-09-2011, 07:53 PM
That's what came to mind for me. But at the same time, it's not like he was given much talent to work with.

Tebow and Orton both improved considerably under his watch. The question is, how much of that was McDaniels and how much was McCoy.

I don't know that Orton improved a lot.

I thought he was showing something in his last half season in Chicago, and that McDumbass simply aired it out a lot which lead to big numbers.

And TeBow looked a lot like Tebow, with terrible mechanics and that long elongated release.

But that is just one year of working on that, and it will take years to fix that, so I won't blame anyone for his lack of improvement.

BigMeatballDave
01-09-2011, 08:04 PM
Doesn't excite me.

Spent a few years as the QB coach for the Panthers, and QBs in Carolina are nothing to write home about.True, but he did get a lot out of Delhomme.

tk13
01-09-2011, 08:06 PM
He made Tebow look like a real QB. That's something.

BigMeatballDave
01-09-2011, 08:06 PM
Delhomme had what? 2 good seasons?

Not impressed.I am. Dehomme is a horrible QB, otherwise.

KChiefs1
01-09-2011, 08:07 PM
Delhomme was pretty good for awhile.

Baconeater
01-09-2011, 08:07 PM
as Weis packs his bags for Gatorland
Those bags were packed a week and a half ago.

Deberg_1990
01-09-2011, 08:08 PM
I think he was also there that year DeAngelo Williams was red hot in 08 and had 18 TD's.

milkman
01-09-2011, 08:09 PM
I am. Dehomme is a horrible QB, otherwise.

You may have a point there.

Al Bundy
01-09-2011, 08:10 PM
Doesn't excite me.

Spent a few years as the QB coach for the Panthers, and QBs in Carolina are nothing to write home about.

Actually seems as though Delhomme had his best seasons when the guy was on the staff.

Sweet Daddy Hate
01-09-2011, 08:11 PM
Vomit.

MahiMike
01-09-2011, 08:28 PM
I want Haley for OC.

chiefforlife
01-09-2011, 08:32 PM
This is as strong as you'll see it put: If Mike McCoy wants to be the Chiefs' OC, he probably will be.

Twitter / Kent Babb

MIAdragon
01-09-2011, 08:33 PM
I want Haley for OC.

Vomit.

KurtCobain
01-09-2011, 08:34 PM
I've always compared Cassel's potential to Delhomme, so this sounds interesting!

chiefforlife
01-09-2011, 08:35 PM
Chiefs Offense-TM-Chiefs Jan. 9 - 10:07 pm et

The Chiefs are strongly considering Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy as the replacement for Charlie Weis, sources tell ESPN's Chris Mortensen.
Weis has already signed on to be the offensive coordinator for the Florida Gators. McCoy, 38, broke into the league with the Panthers back in 2000. He signed on with Denver as the offensive coordinator in 2009, but only began calling the plays after Josh McDaniels was fired following Week 13. McDaniels would be a more exciting hire for the Chiefs' offense.
Source: Chris Mortensen on Twitter

jd1020
01-09-2011, 08:35 PM
I've always compared Cassel's potential to Delhomme, so this sounds interesting!

What makes it interesting? We just witnessed Cassel reach that Delhomme potential.

Trevo_410
01-09-2011, 08:36 PM
as long as haley lets him call all the plays and he's better than weis(wont be hard) im in!

Von Dumbass
01-09-2011, 09:19 PM
I honestly don't know anything about McCoy. He was our QB coach in 09 but McDaniels spent more time with the QB's than any other position. In 2010 he was our OC and McDaniels called all the plays. After McDaniels was fired, McCoy only called screens, runs, and play action passes.

dirk digler
01-09-2011, 09:27 PM
Not excited

notorious
01-09-2011, 09:29 PM
After McDaniels was fired, McCoy only called screens, runs, and play action passes.


That could be considered an entire offense.

KCChiefsFan88
01-09-2011, 09:29 PM
Denver did some good things with their passing game, with McCoy as their OC so that is a good sign.

Whoever comes in as the next OC needs to fix the Chiefs passing game... you can't win in today's NFL with a shitty passing game.

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-09-2011, 09:31 PM
Denver did some good things with their passing game, with McCoy as their OC so that is a good sign.

Whoever comes in as the next OC needs to fix the Chiefs passing game... you can't win in today's NFL with a shitty passing game.

What you talking about for the last year all i heard was weis has fixed the qb lol what a joke

chiefzilla1501
01-09-2011, 09:33 PM
Not excited

I don't know. I don't think it's that bad. He knows the system well, having run McDaniels' system for 2 years. He's young and wouldn't mind sharing playcalling duties with Haley.

Given what we know about Haley, this seems like a pretty decent fit. I understand where they're coming from on this.

mcaj22
01-09-2011, 09:34 PM
from week 13 on, just looking at box scores, it looks like Denver under McCoy was nothing to cry home about so I'm not sure how excited I'm going to be about this guy.

chiefzilla1501
01-09-2011, 09:36 PM
from week 13 on, just looking at box scores, it looks like Denver under McCoy was nothing to cry home about so I'm not sure how excited I'm going to be about this guy.

I think what makes it different is that no doubt Haley wants a lot of say in playcalling.

But also, from week 14 to 16, consider the QB.

dirk digler
01-09-2011, 09:38 PM
I don't know. I don't think it's that bad. He knows the system well, having run McDaniels' system for 2 years. He's young and wouldn't mind sharing playcalling duties with Haley.

Given what we know about Haley, this seems like a pretty decent fit. I understand where they're coming from on this.

It only fits because Haley wants to be a micro manager of the offense.

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-09-2011, 09:38 PM
John fox will be hired in denver and will keep mike mccoy if the chiefs dont hurry up

chiefzilla1501
01-09-2011, 09:43 PM
It only fits because Haley wants to be a micro manager of the offense.

That's why I think it makes sense. I wish Haley could work well with experienced coordinators, but since that's not an option, this kind of hire makes sense in a lot of ways.

Von Dumbass
01-09-2011, 09:43 PM
John fox will be hired in denver and will keep mike mccoy if the chiefs dont hurry up

Denver isn't in any hurry to hire their new HC. Green Bay, Atl, and the Jets all have coaches that Denver will want to interview. I wouldn't be surprised if Denver doesn't have a coach until after the Super Bowl.

KurtCobain
01-09-2011, 10:25 PM
What makes it interesting? We just witnessed Cassel reach that Delhomme potential.

Delhomme won a few playoff games, it'd be nice to see cassel do that.

alanm
01-09-2011, 10:29 PM
John fox will be hired in denver and will keep mike mccoy if the chiefs dont hurry upI'm of the belief that there's a better alternative for OC out there.

Sweet Daddy Hate
01-10-2011, 05:23 AM
Vomit.

LMAO

bevischief
01-10-2011, 05:34 AM
Mecca.

Sweet Daddy Hate
01-10-2011, 05:38 AM
Mecca.'

He'll Madden us to Dynastic Glory!

the Talking Can
01-10-2011, 06:40 AM
sounds really exciting

Dave Lane
01-10-2011, 07:34 AM
Delhomme had what? 2 good seasons?

Not impressed.

I'm impressed if they coincide with him being there. If he made Delhomme look good he is a god.

KCrockaholic
01-10-2011, 08:18 AM
http://cdn5.mattters.com/photos/photos/8575595/162778_179199548765940_100000276883721_570593_7242966_n.jpg

Von Dumbass
01-10-2011, 08:22 AM
http://cdn5.mattters.com/photos/photos/8575595/162778_179199548765940_100000276883721_570593_7242966_n.jpg

That was Tebow's first game starting if I remember correctly.

The Bad Guy
01-10-2011, 08:23 AM
That was Tebow's first game starting if I remember correctly.

Why would the OC spread the ball around with Tebow in his first start?

KCrockaholic
01-10-2011, 08:24 AM
Why would the OC spread the ball around with Tebow in his first start?

Because Brandon Lloyd is dumb.

Sure-Oz
01-10-2011, 08:26 AM
Because Brandon Lloyd is dumb.

He's just pissed cause he wanted the ball the whole game

Mr_Tomahawk
01-10-2011, 08:27 AM
Because knowmo is dumb.

fyp

Mr_Tomahawk
01-10-2011, 02:34 PM
Anyone care to post the stats of Delhome or any other player directly under McCoy during his tenure with the Panthers?

King_Chief_Fan
01-10-2011, 02:37 PM
mortreport Chris Mortensen Filed to ESPN: Broncos OC Mike McCoy under serious consideration to replace Charlie Weis for the Chiefs as Weis packs his bags for Gatorland

we must wait for Nick Athan to report the deal is done

BigMeatballDave
01-10-2011, 04:28 PM
I want Haley for OC.Are you a masochist? :)

bevischief
01-10-2011, 04:29 PM
Mecca, everyone happy.

BigMeatballDave
01-10-2011, 04:35 PM
Denver isn't in any hurry to hire their new HC. Green Bay, Atl, and the Jets all have coaches that Denver will want to interview. I wouldn't be surprised if Denver doesn't have a coach until after the Super Bowl.Hopefully Denver hires Brian Schottenheimer. :thumb:

Von Dumbass
01-10-2011, 05:21 PM
Coordinator musical chairs - still hear Mike McCoy to KC to replace Weis, Josh McDaniels to Rams if Pat Shurmur new HC in CLE as many expecthttps://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/24621211631747072

FringeNC
01-10-2011, 06:11 PM
This guy seems perfect for us -- a glorified QB coach who will be calling the plays, but calling the plays that Haley game-planned. And if the offense sucks, then Haley is responsible, and is not the offensive stud we were lead to believe he was. It's stupid to hire an offensive coach then not implement his system.

Dave Lane
01-10-2011, 06:12 PM
Hopefully Denver hires Brian Schottenheimer. :thumb:

No no no no. Jimmy Raye.

Dude rocks!

Go for it Elway :)

TheGuardian
01-10-2011, 06:13 PM
Did anyone see him in Leawood today looking at houses?

KurtCobain
01-10-2011, 06:18 PM
Did anyone see him in Leawood today looking at houses?

I saw him in westport clubbing.

TheGuardian
01-10-2011, 06:21 PM
I saw him in westport clubbing.

WEll the deal is done then.

Sweet Daddy Hate
01-10-2011, 06:21 PM
I saw him in westport clubbing.

Night-clubbing?:evil:

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SNR
01-10-2011, 06:24 PM
Meh.

If we're going to have a pushover OC why not promote Nick Sirianni and basically have Haley run the show?

That's pretty much what they do up in Green Bay with Mike McCarthy and Joe Philbin

ILChief
01-10-2011, 07:25 PM
Did anyone see him in Leawood today looking at houses?

Would anyone know him if they saw him?

Von Dumbass
01-10-2011, 07:37 PM
Some had linked McDaniels to the Kansas City Chiefs' offensive coordinator opening with Charlie Weis going to the University of Florida, but that isn't very likely now. Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy is the favorite to replace Weis. McCoy was considered for the position last year before Weis was hired following his firing from Notre Dame.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81d9a0b1/article/mcdaniels-coveted-around-league-in-offensive-coordinator-role

The Bad Guy
01-10-2011, 07:51 PM
How could McCoy be considered for the position last year when he was under contract with Denver and it's a lateral move?

Von Dumbass
01-10-2011, 07:52 PM
How could McCoy be considered for the position last year when he was under contract with Denver and it's a lateral move?

He was promoted from QB coach to OC in the offseason after Rick Dennison went to the Texans.

The Bad Guy
01-10-2011, 08:05 PM
He was promoted from QB coach to OC in the offseason after Rick Dennison went to the Texans.

As usual, you are wrong.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3847662

McCoy was hired as QB coach and coordinator on January 20, 2009.

Rams Fan
01-10-2011, 08:09 PM
Don't know where to post this, but Michael Lombardi said that Pat Shurmur will be hired by the Browns within 48 hours on NFLN.

CoMoChief
01-10-2011, 08:10 PM
We really need Jimmy Raye back.

Von Dumbass
01-10-2011, 08:31 PM
As usual, you are wrong.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3847662

McCoy was hired as QB coach and coordinator on January 20, 2009.

My bad. I could have sworn Dennison was our OC in 2009.

milkman
01-10-2011, 08:49 PM
I don't know. I don't think it's that bad. He knows the system well, having run McDaniels' system for 2 years. He's young and wouldn't mind sharing playcalling duties with Haley.

Given what we know about Haley, this seems like a pretty decent fit. I understand where they're coming from on this.

After thinking about it after I shut down last night, I reached the same conclusion.

He ould be a good fit.

Meh.

If we're going to have a pushover OC why not promote Nick Sirianni and basically have Haley run the show?

That's pretty much what they do up in Green Bay with Mike McCarthy and Joe Philbin

The thing is, McCoy now has a couple of years in preparing an offense, and game planning, something Siriani lacks at this time.

He also is still young, and has worked under a HC that he deferred to on playcalling, so it shouldn't be an issue between he and Haley.

It really, upon further thought, is a perfect marriage.

Haley has an OC that can handle the everyday responsibilities of an OC, and they can work together on the final touches of plannning and playcalling.

This guy gets the opportunity to continue to grow, and Haley is still able to focus on the overall big picture.

Promote Sirianni to QB coach and groom him to replace MCoy when the time comes.

booger
01-11-2011, 09:00 AM
» The Bengals have not let linebackers coach Jeff FitzGerald go. He's been given permission to look for other opportunities.

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Anderson-looking-at-his-own-Senior-Bowl/98c44321-f7e2-4db4-bd50-deabb75edab3

Only reason that is somewhat Chiefs related is that the Bengals DC Mike Zimmer has a son on KC's Staff that came aboard last year, Adam Zimmer the Asst. LB coach. He previously worked for Gary Gibbs in NO when both were there and stuck around there during their SB season. Wouldn't be suprised to see Zimmer go coach LB's under Marvin Lewis and his dad.

Fitzgerald would actually be a good replacement for Adam Zimmer if he leaves. He is a well respected former Ravens coach who runs the LB drills at the combine every year.

Both of these from KFFL

Titans | Two assistant coaches may leave
Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:22:41 -0800

Tennessee Titans offensive line coach Mike Munchak and defensive line coach Jim Washburn could leave during the offseason because the team could only offer them one-year contract extensions, reports Paul Kuharsky, of ESPN.com. Neither has a contract and may want to look for a more stable job.

Jaguars | Will allow assistants to talk with other teams
Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:22:07 -0800

The Jacksonville Jaguars will allow assistant coaches to talk with other teams about coaching opportunities because they are entering the final year of their contracts, reports Paul Kuharsky, of ESPN.com.

I suppose this is about the CBA/Lockout but could also be both Del Rio and Fischer would be fired if the owners didn't want to pay them not to coach and risk paying a coach if there is a shortened season. Jags DC Mel Tucker was Romeo's DC in Cleveland and i could see him possibly wanting to get him on staff as a position coach. But their owner stipped Del Rio of calling the D so maybe Tucker they wouldn't let talk.

booger
01-11-2011, 09:13 AM
I don't think Clark would allow asst's to leave to save cash on the coaching staff. Weis and paying a guy like say McCoy is probably making at least half as less than Charlie. Just thought it was worth mentioning.

booger
01-11-2011, 09:16 AM
After thinking about it after I shut down last night, I reached the same conclusion.

He ould be a good fit.



The thing is, McCoy now has a couple of years in preparing an offense, and game planning, something Siriani lacks at this time.

He also is still young, and has worked under a HC that he deferred to on playcalling, so it shouldn't be an issue between he and Haley.

It really, upon further thought, is a perfect marriage.

Haley has an OC that can handle the everyday responsibilities of an OC, and they can work together on the final touches of plannning and playcalling.

This guy gets the opportunity to continue to grow, and Haley is still able to focus on the overall big picture.

Promote Sirianni to QB coach and groom him to replace MCoy when the time comes.

I agree. I think McCoy would be a good fit for the staff. Along the same lines of why i thought Brian Daboll or Jeff Davidson and Judd Chyzinski would be possible choices but i like that McCoy has the qb/passing game background and agree with the move if that's the one they make

King_Chief_Fan
01-11-2011, 09:43 AM
Is there really any OC that can come to KC and make chicken salad out of chicken poop when he is stuck with Cassel? Talking about limiting your playbook/plan.

booger
01-12-2011, 11:51 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81da5adb/article/report-dolphins-interview-browns-daboll-for-oc-vacancy?module=HP_headlines


Add Brian Daboll to the list of candidates for the Miami Dolphins' offensive coordinator opening.

Daboll interviewed Wednesday with the Dolphins, the South Florida Sun Sentinel reported, citing a league source.

Dallas Cowboys tight ends coach John Garrett also interviewed Wednesday with the Dolphins, a league source told NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora.

The other candidates for the job, left vacant by Dan Henning's retirement, are San Diego Chargers tight ends coach Rob Chudzinski, who also is a candidate for the Carolina Panthers' offensive coordinator vacancy, and former Cleveland Browns coach Chris Palmer, Dolphins coach Tony Sparano's mentor.

Palmer, who brought Sparano into coaching at the University of New Haven in the 1980s and into the NFL as the Browns' quality-control coach in 1999, currently is coach of the United Football League's Hartford Colonials. He was the Houston Texans' offensive coordinator from 2002 to 2005.

Daboll has been the Browns' offensive coordinator for two seasons after stints on the New England Patriots' and New York Jets' staffs. But Browns coach Eric Mangini was dismissed Jan. 3, and St. Louis Rams offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur is expected to be announced as the replacement Thursday, La Canfora reported

=======================================================



Hadn't thought of Palmer. He worked with Haley in Dallas in '06. From the above article he has much more of a history with Sparano though.

Jason's Brother, John Garrett, I didn't know his background and assumed he was TE's Coach in Dallas largely due to his brother. But he was coaching when Jason was playing and is an interesting candidate i haven't heard mentioned anywhere until this Miami interview came up.

Based on the systems both could be considered under Haley.

Chiefs=Good
01-12-2011, 11:53 PM
My bad. I could have sworn Dennison was our OC in 2009.

Thats what you get for not watching the games...










:)

Von Dumbass
01-13-2011, 03:36 PM
The Broncos are expected to retain offensive coordinator Mike McCoy under Fox. McCoy previously worked with Fox for seven seasons in Carolina.




http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_17087361

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-13-2011, 03:38 PM
John Fox has long history with Broncos coordinator Mike McCoy
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 13, 2011, 5:08 PM EST
I’m cautiously optimistic that John Fox was a smart hire for the Denver Broncos considering the circumstances. The move will make even more sense if Fox winds up retaining Mike McCoy as the team’s offensive coordinator.

McCoy worked under Fox for seven seasons in Carolina as his quarterbacks coach and then passing game coordinator. McCoy remains under contract in Denver as offensive coordinator. By keeping McCoy, Fox could provide continuity to an offense that did plenty of good things the last two years. Installing a new offense could be difficult, especially if there is a long work stoppage.

The Chiefs were expected to make a run at McCoy for their offensive coordinator job, with a few writers believing he was the favorite to get the job. Perhaps Fox will want McCoy to stay.

Fox hasn’t consistently shown he’s a difference-making head coach; his Panthers teams were over .500 three times in his nine seasons. But he makes more sense in Denver than their other candidates for three reasons.

1. He’s experienced. The combination of John Elway and G.M. Brian Xanders could use someone that’s been around the league a few times.

2. Fox has shown he can turn around a terrible situation quickly. He took over a 1-15 Panthers team and they improved to seven wins, and then made the Super Bowl the following year.

3. Most importantly, Fox can address the team’s defense. Denver’s other finalists were offensive minded. Offense hasn’t been the problem in Denver under Mike Shanahan and Josh McDaniels, but this is an organization that has been clueless about building a quality defense.

If Fox keeps McCoy, perhaps the Broncos can have the best of both worlds.

Halfcan
01-13-2011, 04:20 PM
Better than Weis-his playcalling the last two games were a joke-glad he is gone.

KurtCobain
01-13-2011, 04:26 PM
I really hope the donks don't keep him, he's my choice for new OC.

Sweet Daddy Hate
01-13-2011, 04:44 PM
Better than Weis-his playcalling the last two games were a joke-glad he is gone.

Ah, but was it Weis?:hmmm:

ProAngler
01-13-2011, 04:48 PM
he;ll; no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Von Dumbass
01-14-2011, 12:20 AM
According to the Denver Post, the Broncos are expected to retain OC Mike McCoy. So the Chiefs' top choice would therefore be off the table.

https://twitter.com/kentbabb/status/25812240259096576

chiefzilla1501
01-14-2011, 12:32 AM
https://twitter.com/kentbabb/status/25812240259096576

That makes sense, given McCoy's history with Fox.

But it does make me scratch my head as to why they would hire an inexperienced OC who didn't call plays under McDaniels to be the OC for a defensive coach like Fox.

booger
01-14-2011, 08:10 AM
Browns Offense-TM-Browns Jan. 14 - 9:42 am et

According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer's Mary Kay Cabot, Broncos OC Mike McCoy is a candidate for the same position on Pat Shurmur's new staff.
McCoy has also been connected to Todd Haley and the Chiefs. He's in high demand, so the Broncos may be willing to sweeten the pot to get him to stay with John Fox in Denver. It's worth noting that Fox, McCoy, and the entire Browns brass all share Bob LaMonte as an agent.
Source: Mary Kay Cabot on Twitter

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/home_NFL.aspx
http://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/statuses/25924202762604544

booger
01-14-2011, 08:11 AM
Bob Lamonte is also Charlie Weis's agent

Mile High Mania
01-14-2011, 08:19 AM
That makes sense, given McCoy's history with Fox.

But it does make me scratch my head as to why they would hire an inexperienced OC who didn't call plays under McDaniels to be the OC for a defensive coach like Fox.

My hope is they brought Fox in to help get the focus back to a sound rushing attack and then primarily defense. McCoy is familiar with the offense that Fox runs and he is very familiar with Tebow and the rest... continuity is good and in this case, McCoy has that with both the existing players and the new HC.

booger
01-14-2011, 08:24 AM
Jeff Davidson would make sense in Denver as Fox chose him over McCoy in Carolina to be OC and ran a system with a strong running game.

Between CLE KC and DEN i say it makes the most sense for McCoy to stay in denver with a Defensive minded HC. Have to wait and see.

Oz_Chief
01-14-2011, 02:04 PM
Any chance our next OC is on a team still in the playoffs?

DeezNutz
01-14-2011, 02:06 PM
Any chance our next OC is on a team still in the playoffs?

Nope. Not since the Chiefs were eliminated.

bevischief
01-14-2011, 02:09 PM
My hope is they brought Fox in to help get the focus back to a sound rushing attack and then primarily defense. McCoy is familiar with the offense that Fox runs and he is very familiar with Tebow and the rest... continuity is good and in this case, McCoy has that with both the existing players and the new HC.

They will probably keep him to keep working with Tebow and the Fox has worked with him before.

jd1020
01-14-2011, 02:17 PM
So who else is out there? Chilly?

DaneMcCloud
01-14-2011, 02:24 PM
So who else is out there? Chilly?

Wrong offense.

Haley runs the Erhardt-Perkins offense. Chilly runs the WCO he learned from Andy Reid, who learned it from Holmgren, who learned it from Bill Walsh, who learned it from Paul Brown.

There may be someone on the Patriots staff that could be the new OC but I'll be surprised if Haley hires anyone.

I think Sirianni will likely be named the QB coach and Haley will run the offense.

I hope I'm wrong about Haley.

DeezNutz
01-14-2011, 02:29 PM
If Haley serves as the OC and next season is a flop, will he be fired?

Mile High Mania
01-14-2011, 02:32 PM
Just go get McD ... you know you want him.

DaneMcCloud
01-14-2011, 02:32 PM
If Haley serves as the OC and next season is a flop, will he be fired?

Good question.

I think it depends on Pioli: How much rope does he give Haley to hang himself?

If Pioli allows Haley to act as his own OC and he's a flop, then Pioli shares a portion of the blame. If Pioli allows Haley to act as his own OC but with the caveat that he must have a Top Ten (or whatever) offense and he fails, he's probably gone.

I think it all depends on Pioli & Haley's relationship, of which has always been in question due to their "secretive" nature.

Personally, I think Haley is best served by hiring an offensive coordinator that doesn't have any issues with Haley calling the plays. I think any other way will be disaster.

Pestilence
01-14-2011, 02:34 PM
If Haley serves as the OC and next season is a flop, will he be fired?

Probably not. They'll blame the issues on our SOS.

DeezNutz
01-14-2011, 02:34 PM
Just go get McD ... you know you want him.

No thanks. No fucking thanks.

Anyone dumb enough to destroy the chemistry that was building for Denver's offense is someone I want far away from KC.

DeezNutz
01-14-2011, 02:35 PM
Probably not. They'll blame the issues on our SOS.

Dane makes some great points.

I don't think the SOS excuse would cut it because Haley would be taking the OC role with eyes wide open, since he filled this role in '09.

Mr. Laz
01-14-2011, 02:37 PM
If Haley serves as the OC and next season is a flop, will he be fired?
we'll be running out of options at that point.

I mean Haley can't run the offense and "apparently" can't get along with someone else running it. It only leaves 2 choices if we want to be successful.

1. Pioli tells haley to STFU when it comes to the offense and to let the OC do his job

2. fire Haley

milkman
01-14-2011, 02:39 PM
I honestly don't believe that Haley wants the additional responsibility of OC on top of his responsibilities as HC again.

Someone, other than Haley, will be named to the position.

Haley will continue to "stick his nose in", but he won't be doing all the work.

JMNSHO.

booger
01-14-2011, 02:39 PM
So who else is out there? Chilly?

McDaniels-has apparently interviewed in Minny and STL
Brian Daboll-interviewed in Miami, was wr coach with pats cassel's first 2 yrs
Jeff Davidson-former pats TE coach knows Weis system Fox's Carolina OC
Greg Olson-under contract as Bucs OC but still speculated on by Teicher. Highly doubful he could get out of his contract even if he wanted but the Bucs did lose their sp.teams coach to a lateral move to SD.
Mike McCoy-apparently has options of OC in KC, Denver, and Cleveland
Jud Chizinski-Interviewed w/Miami and probably top choice of Rivera in Carolina
Tom Cable-would possibly fit in as run game CO/OL if Muir retires.
Childress-not a fit in KC, no way
Chris Palmer-UFL HC of Hartford. A mentor to Sparano and has interviewed in Miami. Makes the most sense for those 2 to pair up but He might be a possibility in KC.
John Garrett- Dallas TE coach and Jason Garrett's brother. Just missed coaching w/ Haley in Dallas but coached at Virginia under Al Groh and the Dolphins with Saban who both of those coaches have ties to Pioli.

Darkhorses
Ken Zampese-Bengals qb coach
James Urban-Eagles qb coach. Only got his current role in 09 so i think he would be making a big jump and if that's the case they would just Promote Nick Sirianni. Urban is just a name i'm throwing out there.
Curtis Johnson- WR coach w/ Saints
Joe Lombardi-Vince's grandson and qb coach w/ Saints. I throw those 2 out there because Haley and Payton are close. Haley wouldn't make a move like that without Payton's blessing kind of like Pioli hiring any Pat's employees. They don't like to ruffle feathers.
Nick Caserio-VP player personnel, took Pioli's spot in NE coached WR's one year in NE otherwise in the scouting dept. This one doesn't make sense to me but it has been mentioned on this board.

Other than Teicher thinking Greg Olson, Babb thinking Mike McCoy, and as i mentioned Caserio the rest are just guess's on my part.

jd1020
01-14-2011, 02:41 PM
I'll take Haley as HC/OC...













If Warner is throwing to Fitz/Boldin.

Pestilence
01-14-2011, 02:44 PM
So if Greg Olsen is the OC in Tampa Bay......would it be a lateral move if he was named KC's OC and Assistant HC? Or is that basically just a lateral move?

milkman
01-14-2011, 02:45 PM
McDaniels-has apparently interviewed in Minny and STL
Brian Daboll-interviewed in Miami, was wr coach with pats cassel's first 2 yrs
Jeff Davidson-former pats TE coach knows Weis system Fox's Carolina OC
Greg Olson-under contract as Bucs OC but still speculated on by Teicher. Highly doubful he could get out of his contract even if he wanted but the Bucs did lose their sp.teams coach to a lateral move to SD.
Mike McCoy-apparently has options of OC in KC, Denver, and Cleveland
Jud Chizinski-Interviewed w/Miami and probably top choice of Rivera in Carolina
Tom Cable-would possibly fit in as run game CO/OL if Muir retires.
Childress-not a fit in KC, no way
Chris Palmer-UFL HC of Hartford. A mentor to Sparano and has interviewed in Miami. Makes the most sense for those 2 to pair up but He might be a possibility in KC.
John Garrett- Dallas TE coach and Jason Garrett's brother. Just missed coaching w/ Haley in Dallas but coached at Virginia under Al Groh and the Dolphins with Saban who both of those coaches have ties to Pioli.

Darkhorses
Ken Zampese-Bengals qb coach
James Urban-Eagles qb coach. Only got his current role in 09 so i think he would be making a big jump and if that's the case they would just Promote Nick Sirianni. Urban is just a name i'm throwing out there.
Curtis Johnson- WR coach w/ Saints
Joe Lombardi-Vince's grandson and qb coach w/ Saints. I throw those 2 out there because Haley and Payton are close. Haley wouldn't make a move like that without Payton's blessing kind of like Pioli hiring any Pat's employees. They don't like to ruffle feathers.
Nick Caserio-VP player personnel, took Pioli's spot in NE coached WR's one year in NE otherwise in the scouting dept. This one doesn't make sense to me but it has been mentioned on this board.

Other than Teicher thinking Greg Olson, Babb thinking Mike McCoy, and as i mentioned Caserio the rest are just guess's on my part.

FTR, Cesario was the director of player personnel in New England while Pioli was still hoding down his position of Vice President-Player personnel, and has not been promoted to the position left vacant by Pioli.

He, along with Floyd Reese, who was hired as a consultant when Pioli left, have taken on and shared the responsibilities that Pioli was in charge of, but Cesario did not, in fact, take Pioli's spot.

booger
01-14-2011, 02:46 PM
So if Greg Olsen is the OC in Tampa Bay......would it be a lateral move if he was named KC's OC and Assistant HC? Or is that basically just a lateral move?

good question. I think it's based on postion coach to OC/DC and then HC. I don't think the league considers Asst. HC a promotion but i don't know for sure.

milkman
01-14-2011, 02:47 PM
good question. I think it's based on postion coach to OC/DC and then HC. I don't think the league considers Asst. HC a promotion but i don't know for sure.

Yes, actually, they do consider it a promotion.

Pestilence
01-14-2011, 02:48 PM
Yes, actually, they do consider it a promotion.

Well then....considering that it was reported that Haley has been trying to get Olsen for over a year now. Maybe that's what Haley and Pioli are trying to do now.

booger
01-14-2011, 02:50 PM
FTR, Cesario was the director of player personnel in New England while Pioli was still hoding down his position of Vice President-Player personnel, and has not been promoted to the position left vacant by Pioli.

He, along with Floyd Reese, who was hired as a consultant when Pioli left, have taken on and shared the responsibilities that Pioli was in charge of, but Cesario did not, in fact, take Pioli's spot.

i knew they hired reese but thought Caserio did in fact get promoted. Thanks.

I think he was a college teamate of McDaniels at John Carroll college too. I guess his whole candicacy of KC's OC depends on what BB thinks of him. I can see if he is a Pioli guy he would want to come to KC. But the only 1 year coaching in NE and all the sudden he's a legit candidate for OC in KC just seems pretty strange to me.

beach tribe
01-14-2011, 02:51 PM
No thanks. No ****ing thanks.

Anyone dumb enough to destroy the chemistry that was building for Denver's offense is someone I want far away from KC.

He would not be given the power to do what he did in Donkville.
I'd take him in a heartbeat as OC.

milkman
01-14-2011, 02:51 PM
Well then....considering that it was reported that Haley has been trying to get Olsen for over a year now. Maybe that's what Haley and Pioli are trying to do now.

The problem is that Mo Carthon is the Chiefs asst. HC, which means that the position is not vacant, and I'm not sure that associate HC, a title given one of the top assts. to Joe Gibbs in his last stint as the Skins HC is considered a promotion.

DaneMcCloud
01-14-2011, 02:51 PM
Well then....considering that it was reported that Haley has been trying to get Olsen for over a year now. Maybe that's what Haley and Pioli are trying to do now.

Carthon already has the title of Asst. Head Coach.

From what I understand, the entire Tamba Bay staff is in an option year and while they've picked up the option on Morris, the rest of the staff is in limbo unless they've been released.

As far as I know, Olsen is still waiting on his option.

Pestilence
01-14-2011, 02:53 PM
Fuck Carthon.....demote his worthless ass.

DaneMcCloud
01-14-2011, 02:53 PM
i knew they hired reese but thought Caserio did in fact get promoted. Thanks.

I think he was a college teamate of McDaniels at John Carroll college too. I guess his whole candicacy of KC's OC depends on what BB thinks of him. I can see if he is a Pioli guy he would want to come to KC. But the only 1 year coaching in NE and all the sudden he's a legit candidate for OC in KC just seems pretty strange to me.

I've heard Caserio's name bounced around as a possibility in KC but I'd be surprised if he went back into coaching.

FTR, the New England drafts and player acquisition since Pioli left have been outstanding, especially on the offensive side of the ball.

milkman
01-14-2011, 02:54 PM
i knew they hired reese but thought Caserio did in fact get promoted. Thanks.

I think he was a college teamate of McDaniels at John Carroll college too. I guess his whole candicacy of KC's OC depends on what BB thinks of him. I can see if he is a Pioli guy he would want to come to KC. But the only 1 year coaching in NE and all the sudden he's a legit candidate for OC in KC just seems pretty strange to me.

Cesario, since he's been in New England, while not a coach, has spent every Sunday in the booth with the OC and staff, helping out.

DeezNutz
01-14-2011, 02:54 PM
He would not be given the power to do what he did in Donkville.
I'd take him in a heartbeat as OC.

While it's true that he wouldn't have the same level of power, he would have input, just like Gunther's stupid fucking ass had input in the construction of the defense.

I'd like to cleanse this franchise of stupidity, and McDaniels would not help in this regard. This is the same guy who took over a young, ascending offense and essentially said, "Yeah, I don't like the looks of this."

Pass.

booger
01-14-2011, 02:54 PM
Haley's wanted Olson since the day he was hired from their days with the bears. The OC for the bears then was John Schoop. I hope he's not under consideration.

DaneMcCloud
01-14-2011, 02:55 PM
Fuck Carthon.....demote his worthless ass.

The guy is a worthless piece of shit. His offenses in Detroit & Cleveland were horrific and he was fired as OC in both cities.

He *may* be a decent running back coach but he's an abomination as a offensive coordinator.

DaneMcCloud
01-14-2011, 02:56 PM
Haley's wanted Olson since the day he was hired from their days with the bears. The OC for the bears then was John Schoop. I hope he's not under consideration.

It's odd because I always thought Olsen was a dud. Tampa Bay certainly had success this past season but I think that has more to do with talent that Dominick has acquired for them.

milkman
01-14-2011, 02:57 PM
The guy is a worthless piece of shit. His offenses in Detroit & Cleveland were horrific and he was fired as OC in both cities.

He *may* be a decent running back coach but he's an abomination as a offensive coordinator.

He may be a solid position coach, and is undoubtedly a piss poor coordinator, but I think he might well have the mental makeup to be a damn good HC.

booger
01-14-2011, 02:58 PM
I've heard Caserio's name bounced around as a possibility in KC but I'd be surprised if he went back into coaching.

FTR, the New England drafts and player acquisition since Pioli left have been outstanding, especially on the offensive side of the ball.

probably depends on his personal aspirations then. Coaching or Front Office.

Kraft and BB getting in with Myer in Florida led to a few gators to NE. Not like that was the sole reason for their drafting but i'm sure they got good insight.

They sure are kicking ass again this year. I'm sure they don't want to lose Caserio either way.

booger
01-14-2011, 02:59 PM
Cesario, since he's been in New England, while not a coach, has spent every Sunday in the booth with the OC and staff, helping out.

Didn't know that either. Kind of like Joel Collier KC's asst GM and Pioli's longtime buddy from their Syracuse days took over QB coach duties w/Sirianni when chan got fired.

booger
01-14-2011, 03:02 PM
The guy is a worthless piece of shit. His offenses in Detroit & Cleveland were horrific and he was fired as OC in both cities.

He *may* be a decent running back coach but he's an abomination as a offensive coordinator.

i would think he would have promoted him when Gailey was fired if Haley wanted him in that role. I agree and hope he stays away from Play calling and all OC duties. He fits his current role well and seems to be the only one who really has Haley's ear other than Crennel, Gary Gibbs, and Muir.

booger
01-14-2011, 03:05 PM
It's odd because I always thought Olsen was a dud. Tampa Bay certainly had success this past season but I think that has more to do with talent that Dominick has acquired for them.

Yeah, he doesn't seem like a hot candidate out there even when he was qb coach to get a promotion. I think Haley wants a calm presence as his OC for Cassel. Haley gets on everyone's ass that's just how he coaches. I don't know about other qb's Olson has helped guide besides the kid in TB. I guess Haley must really think he is the perfect fit or as close to it for what he wants to do with the offense.

milkman
01-14-2011, 03:17 PM
Yeah, he doesn't seem like a hot candidate out there even when he was qb coach to get a promotion. I think Haley wants a calm presence as his OC for Cassel. Haley gets on everyone's ass that's just how he coaches. I don't know about other qb's Olson has helped guide besides the kid in TB. I guess Haley must really think he is the perfect fit or as close to it for what he wants to do with the offense.

I believe, though I'm not sure, that Olson had a hand in the development of Marc Bulger in StL., and was the 9ers QB coach while Garcia was there.

DaneMcCloud
01-14-2011, 03:20 PM
I believe, though I'm not sure, that Olson had a hand in the development of Marc Bulger in StL., and was the 9ers QB coach while Garcia was there.

He was only in St. Louis for one season. That was 2007, when Linehan was fired after 4 games.

booger
01-14-2011, 03:24 PM
I believe, though I'm not sure, that Olson had a hand in the development of Marc Bulger in StL., and was the 9ers QB coach while Garcia was there.

Yeah, that is what the new OC should be centered around. QB play and development. I think Haley should take his time with Sirianni and bump him up to QB's coach first. Or WR coach. He did that in the past in college. And i could see Parmelee either joining Weis at Florida or going elsewhere assuming he was only brought in because of Weis. That would leave the door open to move Richie Anderson to TE coach and Sirianni to WR coach. It would develop him in more aspects of the passing game since he has assisted with much of the qb coaching duties his first 2 seasons.

DaneMcCloud
01-14-2011, 03:24 PM
He was only in St. Louis for one season. That was 2007, when Linehan was fired after 4 games.

Actually, his bio says 2006 & 2007 in St. Louis, then off to Tampa Bay as a QB coach under Gruden.

DaneMcCloud
01-14-2011, 03:26 PM
OLSON AT A GLANCE

* 1987-89...Washington State, Graduate Assistant
* 1990-93...Central Washington University, Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks Coach
* 1994-96...University of Idaho, Quarterbacks Coach
* 1997-2000...Purdue University, Quarterbacks Coach
* 2001...San Francisco 49ers, Quarterbacks Coach
* 2002...Purdue University, Tight Ends/Recruiting Coordinator
* 2003...Chicago Bears, Quarterbacks Coach
* 2004...Detroit Lions, Quarterbacks Coach
* 2005...Detroit Lions, Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks Coach
* 2006-07...St. Louis Rams, Offensive Coordinator
* 2008...Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Quarterbacks Coach
* 2009...Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks Coach
* 2010...Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Offensive Coordinator

milkman
01-14-2011, 03:27 PM
Actually, his bio says 2006 & 2007 in St. Louis, then off to Tampa Bay as a QB coach under Gruden.

Yeah, just looked it up myself after your post.

Looks like both Bulger and Steven Jackson had one of their most productive seasons under his watch.

DaneMcCloud
01-14-2011, 03:35 PM
Yeah, just looked it up myself after your post.

Looks like both Bulger and Steven Jackson had one of their most productive seasons under his watch.

Yeah, I just saw that as well.

I don't know why I was thinking he was a dud. I must have lost track of him after his stints in Chicago & Detroit. Either that or I've confused him with someone else.

booger
01-14-2011, 03:36 PM
I'd like to see them add Tom Cable to coach the OL. Maybe Run game CO to depending on how they structure it. Actually after hearing Oakland wasn't going to bring him back he said he was fine with coaching OL somewhere and that he knew he could do a good job at that.

I keep bringing him up because i think he and Haley like eachother and would be a good fit. Each time we played oakland haley has been complememtary twards cable and this year i caught part of a Cable presser telling how he was telling the players to just get a little bit better each day, something Haley said at just about every presser. They aren't the only coaches to use that verbage of course but i can't explain it i just get a feeling Haley would like to hire Cable. Maybe i just have gas.

booger
01-14-2011, 03:37 PM
Yeah, I just saw that as well.

I don't know why I was thinking he was a dud. I must have lost track of him after his stints in Chicago & Detroit. Either that or I've confused him with someone else.

i used to get him confused with Greg Knapp

Micjones
01-14-2011, 03:52 PM
Wearing two hats brings more attention and responsibility to Haley.
He can extend his Chiefs tenure if he has an OC (with autonomy) who he can blame our offensive woes on.

Trying to do this all by himself puts a huge bullseye on his own back.

Hire a guy who has a similar offensive philosophy and let him do his job.
Coach the whole team...Or step down and be an Offensive Coordinator elsewhere.

Von Dumbass
01-14-2011, 03:57 PM
Just go get McD ... you know you want him.

McD is overqualified to be Haley's understudy. He wouldn't want or need any input from Haley on creating a gameplan/calling plays. It would not work and I'm sure Haley would probably kick his ass at some point during the season if they worked together.

booger
01-14-2011, 04:00 PM
go slam your tiny prick in the refrigerator door over and over you little herpe

Rams Fan
01-14-2011, 04:02 PM
Yeah, just looked it up myself after your post.

Looks like both Bulger and Steven Jackson had one of their most productive seasons under his watch.

2006 was the last season the Rams had a lot of productivity from players from the GSOT days. The next season, look how Bulger and Jackson fared.

Rams Fan
01-14-2011, 04:04 PM
I believe, though I'm not sure, that Olson had a hand in the development of Marc Bulger in StL., and was the 9ers QB coach while Garcia was there.

He didn't develop Bulger at all. Martz mostly did and the Chargers QB coach(who could be an OC candidate) Johnny Ramsdell, did.

booger
01-14-2011, 04:06 PM
He didn't develop Bulger at all. Martz mostly did and the Chargers QB coach(who could be an OC candidate) Johnny Ramsdell, did.

Ramsdell is another candidate i would think plenty of teams would have interest in. He's SD's qb coach now right? I bet he's on Rivera's short list.

Rams Fan
01-14-2011, 04:06 PM
Cesario, since he's been in New England, while not a coach, has spent every Sunday in the booth with the OC and staff, helping out.

Caserio was the WR coach in '07 for the Pats.

Rams Fan
01-14-2011, 04:07 PM
Ramsdell is another candidate i would think plenty of teams would have interest in. He's SD's qb coach now right? I bet he's on Rivera's short list.

That is correct. He's also a name that has been mentioned in St. Louis. That would still help Curl develop Bradford as well as Ramsdell helping him even more.

booger
01-14-2011, 04:09 PM
Caserio was the WR coach in '07 for the Pats.

you are right, but he was talking specifically about this season where he is in the personnel dept. but also helps the coaches in the booth on game day which i personally didn't know.

booger
01-14-2011, 04:11 PM
That is correct. He's also a name that has been mentioned in St. Louis. That would still help Curl develop Bradford as well as Ramsdell helping him even more.

He would be a damn good hire for Bradford. West coast offense and the Don Coryell offense are different but have some of the same concepts.

DaneMcCloud
01-14-2011, 04:11 PM
McD is overqualified to be Haley's understudy.

wut

Rams Fan
01-14-2011, 04:12 PM
McDaniels-has apparently interviewed in Minny and STL
Brian Daboll-interviewed in Miami, was wr coach with pats cassel's first 2 yrs
Jeff Davidson-former pats TE coach knows Weis system Fox's Carolina OC
Greg Olson-under contract as Bucs OC but still speculated on by Teicher. Highly doubful he could get out of his contract even if he wanted but the Bucs did lose their sp.teams coach to a lateral move to SD.
Mike McCoy-apparently has options of OC in KC, Denver, and Cleveland
Jud Chizinski-Interviewed w/Miami and probably top choice of Rivera in Carolina
Tom Cable-would possibly fit in as run game CO/OL if Muir retires.
Childress-not a fit in KC, no way
Chris Palmer-UFL HC of Hartford. A mentor to Sparano and has interviewed in Miami. Makes the most sense for those 2 to pair up but He might be a possibility in KC.
John Garrett- Dallas TE coach and Jason Garrett's brother. Just missed coaching w/ Haley in Dallas but coached at Virginia under Al Groh and the Dolphins with Saban who both of those coaches have ties to Pioli.



This list isn't accurate. Right now, Olson is not under contract and it hasn't been confirmed that McDaniels has interviewed in St. Louis.

DaneMcCloud
01-14-2011, 04:13 PM
This list isn't accurate. Right now, Olson is not under contract and it hasn't been confirmed that McDaniels has interviewed in St. Louis.

Olson can't leave until the Bucs decide whether or not to pick up his option.

Rams Fan
01-14-2011, 04:14 PM
He would be a damn good hire for Bradford. West coast offense and the Don Coryell offense are different but have some of the same concepts.

He was with the Rams their first 11 seasons in St. Louis. I'd be happy if he came, but I'm not holding my breath. Chances are that it's Bevell, Childress or McDaniels. Or an assistant in Philly. A darkhorse could be Cromwell.

Rams Fan
01-14-2011, 04:15 PM
Olson can't leave until the Bucs decide whether or not to pick up his option.

The whole staff is in limbo right now for the Bucs(except Morris). The Glazers are waiting to see if there will be a lockout or not.

booger
01-14-2011, 04:16 PM
This list isn't accurate. Right now, Olson is not under contract and it hasn't been confirmed that McDaniels has interviewed in St. Louis.

that's why i put apparently with the McDaniels part.

As for Olson..........It's been reported both ways on if he does or does not have a contract for '11. Same as it has with Raheem Morris and Dominik on their options being picked up. Pro football talk had the first mention of it about 2-3 weeks ago with the assistants in Tampa not knowing their futures next season because of the ownership wanting to hold off until more is known about the next CBA.

Micjones
01-14-2011, 04:19 PM
McD is overqualified to be Haley's understudy.

Which is why you hire him and let him do his job.

He makes Haley's job EASIER. And makes him look smarter as a Head Coach for deferring to a capable OC.

I wish I would let a tift between me and a former rival Head Coach keep me from hiring him. He'd be an asset to this offense and allow me to rest easy.

DaneMcCloud
01-14-2011, 04:20 PM
The whole staff is in limbo right now for the Bucs(except Morris). The Glazers are waiting to see if there will be a lockout or not.

That's untrue. They've let go two of their coaches and made an offer to a Vikings assistant.

booger
01-14-2011, 04:22 PM
Although he said he would like to retain offensive coordinator Mike McCoy, new Broncos head coach John Fox admitted on Friday that McCoy has "options" and isn't a slam-dunk to be back in Denver in 2011.
One of those "options" is widely believed to be Cleveland, where McCoy would work under new head coach Pat Shurmur. Although an intriguing possibility (McCoy, Shurmur and Browns president Mike Holmgren are all represented by the same agent), it sounds less likely after Shurmur said at his introductory press conference on Friday that he is planning on calling plays in 2011. Odds are, if Fox really wants McCoy back in Denver in 2011, that's where he will be.
Source: Mary Kay Cabot on Twitter

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/home_NFL.aspx

DaneMcCloud
01-14-2011, 04:22 PM
that's why i put apparently with the McDaniels part.

As for Olson..........It's been reported both ways on if he does or does not have a contract for '11. Same as it has with Raheem Morris and Dominik on their options being picked up. Pro football talk had the first mention of it about 2-3 weeks ago with the assistants in Tampa not knowing their futures next season because of the ownership wanting to hold off until more is known about the next CBA.

Morris and Dominick's options have been picked up since.

They've let go of their D-line coach & Special Teams coordinator.

I think they've only got another month or so to decide on the rest of the staff. Otherwise, once the option expires, they're free to go elsewhere.

booger
01-14-2011, 04:29 PM
Morris and Dominick's options have been picked up since.

They've let go of their D-line coach & Special Teams coordinator.

I think they've only got another month or so to decide on the rest of the staff. Otherwise, once the option expires, they're free to go elsewhere.

when this olson thing came out about being a candidate i was searching for the PFT story and looked at others on the net. Just kept getting Dominik denying anyone was leaving, which he pretty much has to. Really confusing.

Your right i think most contracts expire the end of Feb/early march. Teicher sure isn't backing off of Olson so he may be the main target.

booger
01-14-2011, 04:33 PM
As for McCoy he has to choose to stay in Denver where Fox when both were in Carolina, Fox chose Davidson over him but he would have plenty of familiarity with Fox as well. Cleveland is a different offense and he won't call plays atleast the first season as Shurmur has said he intends to. And he will have Haley looking over his shoulder to some degree but running a similar offense to denver.

Pretty good spot for him. He's only called plays for 3 games and he's got 3 teams to get himself a good contract and the right situation.

DaneMcCloud
01-14-2011, 04:42 PM
One of the names I'd heard early on was Mike Miller of the Arizona Cardinals, but I haven't heard a peep about him since.

booger
01-14-2011, 04:55 PM
One of the names I'd heard early on was Mike Miller of the Arizona Cardinals, but I haven't heard a peep about him since.

He makes a ton of sense. Started in AZ same year as Haley. Pittsburgh native and surely knows both Todd and Dick Haley for years. Roughly the same age as Todd.

Haley wouldn't do anything to piss off Whizenhunt though. Depends on how involved Miller really is. If he is considered the all around OC and play caller in the future then i'm sure Haley wouldn't go that route. That's all with my assumption that Whisenhunt does most if not all of the play calling since Haley left. Also Russ Grimm was a hot candidate back to when he almost got the steelers job instead of Tomlin but he didn't even get an interview this year. Maybe if he can talk Whisenhunt into letting him take over OC duties and call a few plays that will get his name back on the A list. And at the same time open the door for Miller to KC. But it has to make sense on a competitive level of course. HC's don't want to lose their jobs just doing a favor for friends on their staff.

Frankie
01-14-2011, 05:56 PM
Was Stram his own OC? Just curious. Did they even have coordinators back then?

booger
01-14-2011, 06:41 PM
According to ESPN's John Clayton, Josh McDaniels becoming the Rams' next offensive coordinator is a "no brainer" in St. Louis.
Appearing on 101 ESPN St. Louis, Clayton stated Friday night that he's "surprised it hasn't happened yet." McDaniels has also gotten interest from the Vikings, but they can't offer a young franchise quarterback to groom like the Rams can. St. Louis is not known to be considering other coordinator options yet.
Source: Brian Stull on Twitter

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/home_NFL.aspx

The Bad Guy
01-14-2011, 06:44 PM
You know what I can't figure out?

How all these young coaches like Shurmur, McCarthy, and Garrett can all call their own plays, but Haley says it was real difficult for him.

Let Romeo have full control of the defense and handle the offense if he can't get a coordinator he's comfortable with.

booger
01-14-2011, 06:58 PM
You know what I can't figure out?

How all these young coaches like Shurmur, McCarthy, and Garrett can all call their own plays, but Haley says it was real difficult for him.

Let Romeo have full control of the defense and handle the offense if he can't get a coordinator he's comfortable with.

He talked about in training camp one of the good things about having charlie as OC was him being able to spend more time with Romeo and actually learn the D. Something that will help him become a more complete HC.

Somebody like Whitlock comes along and says Haley is trying to immitate Parcells. And he's right. Whitlock says it like it's a negative or slams him for it. But that is the HC he spent the most time with and chose to emulate.

Like DV said while bawling at the PC to announce robinson's 'resignation' , DV said i wish i was a Parcells or Belichic and be able to help Greg with the Defense but i'm not like those guys. Both of those guys actually had times in their careers where they were heavily involved with and even called plays on offense while being Defensive coaches.

I think Haley, judging by his pressers, truly wants to shoot for the sky and be a complete HC in that way.

Sounds corny but that's just the way i see it.

booger
01-14-2011, 07:05 PM
Plus it was really difficult from him. Pendergast was his DC when he was doing it, not Crennel. And he was running the O on the fly because of the Chan firing and restarting everything it intensified everything. I don't think he wants to but if he does choose to do so next year it will be much easier with Romeo.

Rams Fan
01-14-2011, 07:06 PM
According to ESPN's John Clayton, Josh McDaniels becoming the Rams' next offensive coordinator is a "no brainer" in St. Louis.
Appearing on 101 ESPN St. Louis, Clayton stated Friday night that he's "surprised it hasn't happened yet." McDaniels has also gotten interest from the Vikings, but they can't offer a young franchise quarterback to groom like the Rams can. St. Louis is not known to be considering other coordinator options yet.
Source: Brian Stull on Twitter

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/home_NFL.aspx

MCDUMBASS EXPRESS BITCHES. JUMP ON.

Rams Fan
01-14-2011, 07:10 PM
I think this makes sense for McDaniels in this sense, he wants to be a HC soon. One of his major flaws in Denver was his inability to have a decent defense. Learning something under Spags about defense could help him out a lot if he wants to be a HC in 2 years. Then again, he was OC under Belichick

booger
01-14-2011, 07:20 PM
I think this makes sense for McDaniels in this sense, he wants to be a HC soon. One of his major flaws in Denver was his inability to have a decent defense. Learning something under Spags about defense could help him out a lot if he wants to be a HC in 2 years. Then again, he was OC under Belichick

He will learn the 4-3 that Spags runs and learned from the late Jim Johnson. With that and the 3-4 from his pats days that broadens his education and expands his opportunities for any potential openings he might have in the future.

On the other hand the cover 2 that Frazier runs in Minny isn't complicated and some teams don't run it as much as they used to. Plus the young qb in STL helps matters.

RustShack
01-14-2011, 07:24 PM
I don't see Bradford as the type McDaniels would want... He seems to like the Cassel/Tebow types... Then again Bradford might be like a Brady set.

Rams Fan
01-14-2011, 07:25 PM
I don't see Bradford as the type McDaniels would want... He seems to like the Cassel/Tebow types... Then again Bradford might be like a Brady set.

I heard that McDaniels might meet in the middle in terms of using the WCO. That's what LaCanfora said.

milkman
01-14-2011, 07:28 PM
He didn't develop Bulger at all. Martz mostly did and the Chargers QB coach(who could be an OC candidate) Johnny Ramsdell, did.

I was made aware of that by Dane, and following up by looking for his bio.

I was just shooting from the hip initially, trying to remember things that I hadn't really thought about or looked at in some time.

Caserio was the WR coach in '07 for the Pats.

I'm aware of that.
I was simply pointing out what he has been doing since he was named to the position of Director of Player Development.

Which is why you hire him and let him do his job.

He makes Haley's job EASIER. And makes him look smarter as a Head Coach for deferring to a capable OC.

I wish I would let a tift between me and a former rival Head Coach keep me from hiring him. He'd be an asset to this offense and allow me to rest easy.

As for McDumbass, I absoluetly want Haley to be involved, because McDumbass loses sight of the fact that he can run the ball.

Martz syndrome.

You know what I can't figure out?

How all these young coaches like Shurmur, McCarthy, and Garrett can all call their own plays, but Haley says it was real difficult for him.

Let Romeo have full control of the defense and handle the offense if he can't get a coordinator he's comfortable with.

It's not a question of whether he can handle calling plays.

It's a question of finding someone who can spend the time to at least get a blueprint together to game plan for each opponent.

Right now, the Chiefs have one of the smallest staffs in the NFL, and Haley has a lot on his plate.

Bring in a guy that can help to creat the game plan and Haley can call the plays on Sundays.

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-15-2011, 01:05 PM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Not sure if this beats John Elway on Twitter, but the Broncos retained their OC Mike McCoy, who also could have gone to Clev or KC.

WebGem
01-15-2011, 01:08 PM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Not sure if this beats John Elway on Twitter, but the Broncos retained their OC Mike McCoy, who also could have gone to Clev or KC.

repost tho

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-15-2011, 01:09 PM
repost tho

no you repost me

Sweet Daddy Hate
01-15-2011, 01:11 PM
I really hope he doesn't split duties.

Frankie
01-15-2011, 01:14 PM
Haley's interest in McCoy says to me he is looking for an OC to take some load off of his own shoulder while he keeps the final say without worrying about the OC's ego. I bet Siriani will be promoted to something like QB Coach/Assistant OC while Haley will be the OC. Haley as HC AND OC was a bit overwhelmed, but this arrangement might just work.

BigRock
01-15-2011, 01:20 PM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Not sure if this beats John Elway on Twitter, but the Broncos retained their OC Mike McCoy, who also could have gone to Clev or KC.

There was a lot of talk yesterday that McCoy wasn't really in demand at all, and that mob boss Bob LaMonte was just trying to drive up the price on Denver, who didn't want to lose McCoy and force Tebow to start from square one.

The McCoy to KC story hadn't picked up any steam, so suddenly it started getting floated that McCoy might be wanted in Cleveland, where LaMonte has a bunch of other clients. And sure enough, now McCoy ends up sticking with Denver.

Be interesting to see if he got a raise.

Sweet Daddy Hate
01-15-2011, 01:23 PM
I don't see Bradford as the type McDaniels would want... He seems to like the Cassel/Tebow types... Then again Bradford might be like a Brady set.

So basically, he prefers shit?

WebGem
01-15-2011, 01:31 PM
no you repost me

Not that I really care, but I'd be willing to make money off of this disagreement if you want to move forward with it. Wanna bet?

booger
01-15-2011, 01:37 PM
There was a lot of talk yesterday that McCoy wasn't really in demand at all, and that mob boss Bob LaMonte was just trying to drive up the price on Denver, who didn't want to lose McCoy and force Tebow to start from square one.

The McCoy to KC story hadn't picked up any steam, so suddenly it started getting floated that McCoy might be wanted in Cleveland, where LaMonte has a bunch of other clients. And sure enough, now McCoy ends up sticking with Denver.

Be interesting to see if he got a raise.

I can see that. LaMonte is Weis's agent too. He probably fed that right to Babb himself to drive up interest. Not that i don't believe Babb doesn't have sources, it was just strange all of the sudden he had McCoy's name and was pretty sure on it that if he wanted the KC OC job it was his for the taking. The only other local mentioning names is Teicher with Greg Olson and he has mentioned him every time there has been an open spot to call plays, even since Haley's hiring.

With the way they keep things so tightly under wraps we probably won't find out until the presser to announce it or shortly before.

booger
01-15-2011, 01:42 PM
oh and f#ck that guy. He can die in a tree house fire surrounded by an antifreeze moat.

He is obviously not the real McCoy.

booger
01-15-2011, 01:47 PM
Cowboys | John Garrett to remain with team
Sat, 15 Jan 2011 12:42:52 -0800

The Dallas Cowboys have re-signed assistant coach John Garrett, reports ESPN's Adam Schefter. Garrett will be the team's tight ends coach as well as the passing game coordinator.

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I mentioned him because he interviewed with Miami. He's Jason's brother and they have another brother that works in Dallas's scouting Dept. I don't think he worked in Dallas the same time as Haley either.

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-15-2011, 02:01 PM
JasonLaCanfora Jason La Canfora
@ @hayden2004 have a feeling haley going to be heavily involved

DaneMcCloud
01-15-2011, 02:06 PM
Haley's interest in McCoy says to me he is looking for an OC to take some load off of his own shoulder while he keeps the final say without worrying about the OC's ego. I bet Siriani will be promoted to something like QB Coach/Assistant OC while Haley will be the OC. Haley as HC AND OC was a bit overwhelmed, but this arrangement might just work.

I don't mind if Haley calls the plays but he'd be a fool not to hire a real offensive coordinator.

2009.

Sweet Daddy Hate
01-15-2011, 02:07 PM
I don't mind if Haley calls the plays but he'd be a fool not to hire a real offensive coordinator.

2009.

Regression is on the way if we go that route. Bank it.

booger
01-15-2011, 02:10 PM
as long as it's not some guy named Hector

booger
01-15-2011, 02:12 PM
Dolphins Offense-TM-Dolphins Jan. 15 - 4:04 pm et

The South Florida Sun-Sentinel's Omar Kelly is "hearing" that Chargers TEs coach Rob Chudzinski is the front-runner to fill the Dolphins' offensive coordinator vacancy.
The Fins appear to prefer Chudzinski to Brad Childress, who is expected to interview for the job at some point. The Panthers also want Chudzinski, but the Dolphins may have a built-in edge in that he is particularly familiar with South Beach. Chud coached tight ends at "The U" from 1996 until 2000.
Source: Omar Kelly on Twitter

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/home_NFL.aspx

RustShack
01-15-2011, 07:38 PM
Is Olsen the guy who Haley wanted last year? I was just looking at his Wiki and he was on some shitty Lions and Rams teams before going to Tampa which still isn't a top notch offense... but they were pretty impressive last year.

DaneMcCloud
01-15-2011, 08:03 PM
Is Olsen the guy who Haley wanted last year? I was just looking at his Wiki and he was on some shitty Lions and Rams teams before going to Tampa which still isn't a top notch offense... but they were pretty impressive last year.

Yes, although I'd be extremely surprised if Dominick, Morris & Freeman "allow him" to leave.

RustShack
01-15-2011, 08:22 PM
They picked up the option one two of their coaches right? I wonder why they haven't picked up Olsen's yet..

Rams Fan
01-15-2011, 08:24 PM
They picked up the option one two of their coaches right? I wonder why they haven't picked up Olsen's yet..

The Glazers are a cheap ownership. The only picked up Morris' and their GM's so far. They're waiting on if there will be a lockout or not.

DaneMcCloud
01-15-2011, 08:29 PM
The Glazers are a cheap ownership. The only picked up Morris' and their GM's so far. They're waiting on if there will be a lockout or not.

Dude, you've fucking said this TWICE now in this thread and it's absolutely UNTRUE.

If they don't pick up the option on their coaches before the CBA expires, they coaches DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT because their contracts coincide with the CBA.

If they're not locked up before the CBA expires, they're free to move to other teams.

And furthermore, they're FAR from fucking cheap. They had their asses burned by Bruce Allen & Jon Gruden so they dumped all the old fucks and went to youth, with TEN rookie starters this year.

I'd say it worked.

RustShack
01-15-2011, 08:31 PM
When does the CBA expire again?

DaneMcCloud
01-15-2011, 08:32 PM
When does the CBA expire again?

March.

Obviously, after the Super Bowl and the Combines.

The draft will still happen, regardless of whether or not a CBA is in place.

Rams Fan
01-15-2011, 08:38 PM
Dude, you've ****ing said this TWICE now in this thread and it's absolutely UNTRUE.

If they don't pick up the option on their coaches before the CBA expires, they coaches DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT because their contracts coincide with the CBA.

If they're not locked up before the CBA expires, they're free to move to other teams.

And furthermore, they're FAR from ****ing cheap. They had their asses burned by Bruce Allen & Jon Gruden so they dumped all the old ****s and went to youth, with TEN rookie starters this year.

I'd say it worked.

The Glazers are having financial issues with their soccer team in Europe and there are rumors that the team might be sold.

And the youth movement did work for them, like you said.

DaneMcCloud
01-16-2011, 12:43 AM
The Glazers are having financial issues with their soccer team in Europe and there are rumors that the team might be sold.


Having financial issues doesn't make them "cheap".

IF they sell Man U and their other assets, they'll be FLUSH with cash.

Regardless, the Glazers have never been "cheap".