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googlegoogle
01-10-2011, 01:03 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/567576-2011-nfl-draft-prospects-20-players-who-will-be-on-the-rise#page/4

:hmmm:

Big belly = big power

Malgordo
01-10-2011, 01:19 AM
This is an awful idea. LB seems to be your guys' obvious need. Inside specifically.

bowener
01-10-2011, 01:38 AM
That site had us taking OST WR Blackmon in their mock draft.

Can't say that would upset me.

Fruit Ninja
01-10-2011, 01:40 AM
our main problem is RT and Wide Receiver. We have Bowe and it ends there. thats it.

Its like double him and you win.

googlegoogle
01-10-2011, 01:48 AM
A NT can put on a pass rush too!

sodcat
01-10-2011, 05:50 AM
If'n it were me, i'd draft, in this order OLB/DE to play opposite Hali, than WR. than OL, a center would be nice....

tyton75
01-10-2011, 06:10 AM
take the best available at olb/de-wr-OL with the first pick.. imo

TheGuardian
01-10-2011, 07:58 AM
This is an awful idea. LB seems to be your guys' obvious need. Inside specifically.

Uh what? No. You don't watch the Chiefs much do you?

notorious
01-10-2011, 08:06 AM
This is an awful idea. LB seems to be your guys' obvious need. Inside specifically.

LOL


:facepalm:


I agree that we need middle LBs, but we have MUCH more important needs before that.

MOhillbilly
01-10-2011, 08:14 AM
WR, OLB, OL, ILB, in that order.

TheGuardian
01-10-2011, 08:16 AM
WR, OLB, OL, ILB, in that order.

We don't need inside backers for the love of God. We need a true nose in front of those guys and that's not even on your list. Sheesh.

MOhillbilly
01-10-2011, 08:23 AM
We don't need inside backers for the love of God. We need a true nose in front of those guys and that's not even on your list. Sheesh.

i dont believe the NT is this clubs greatest weakness.

notorious
01-10-2011, 08:24 AM
i dont believe the NT is this clubs greatest weakness.

I can see where this is leading..........

TheGuardian
01-10-2011, 08:27 AM
i dont believe the NT is this clubs greatest weakness.

Greatest? I think that WR, NT, O-line, and outside rusher are all about equal. We don't need inside backers however.

KCrockaholic
01-10-2011, 08:29 AM
This is an awful idea. LB seems to be your guys' obvious need. Inside specifically.

:shake:

I don't know who you are, but that is a fucking stupid statement.

Zeke
01-10-2011, 08:31 AM
While I agree with many of the sentiments to what we need, I believe some of our needs will be addressed in FA long before the draft. There are quality OLineman to be had. There are quality Linebackers to be had. There are a few quality WR's, but not many.

If we were able to shore up 2 of these spots via Free Agency (Ryan Kalil please) our draft will go a long way to fill the rest. As it stands, there are so many needs that if you're looking solely at the draft to fill them, we're gonna be disappointed.

MOhillbilly
01-10-2011, 08:42 AM
Greatest? I think that WR, NT, O-line, and outside rusher are all about equal. We don't need inside backers however.

yes we need a late ILB for depth.

I dont want to take a chance on D lineman in this draft.


Sick of it. Bring this club speed and skill on both sides.

ChiefsCountry
01-10-2011, 08:49 AM
Jerell Powe out of Ole Miss is the Nose Tackle we need. He should be at our pick in the second round.

KCrockaholic
01-10-2011, 09:07 AM
Jerell Powe out of Ole Miss is the Nose Tackle we need. He should be at our pick in the second round.

Thats a lot of Ole Miss on this team....

El Jefe
01-10-2011, 09:34 AM
This is an awful idea. LB seems to be your guys' obvious need. Inside specifically.

huh

El Jefe
01-10-2011, 09:35 AM
Jerell Powe out of Ole Miss is the Nose Tackle we need. He should be at our pick in the second round.

How good is Powe? I really haven't watched him much.

HotRoute
01-10-2011, 09:43 AM
Ya let's pay another DL first round money, sorry buddy it ain't happening

HotRoute
01-10-2011, 09:46 AM
We will most likely draft an offensive player in the first round

KCrockaholic
01-10-2011, 09:47 AM
Ya let's pay another DL first round money, sorry buddy it ain't happening

Well first, you don't draft NT's in the 1st round because they become unmotivated after that point.

We need to draft a guy in the 2nd or 3rd.

58-4ever
01-10-2011, 09:48 AM
I'd love to have Blackmon. I don't think he falls that far though. All depends on the combine I guess.

HotRoute
01-10-2011, 09:49 AM
Need need need need need kneed

Draft best player available and eventually you have a team full of really good players, drafting for need forces the issue and doesn't work as well

HotRoute
01-10-2011, 09:54 AM
Well first, you don't draft NT's in the 1st round because they become unmotivated after that point.

We need to draft a guy in the 2nd or 3rd.

Agreed, that would be ideal maybe even later

MOhillbilly
01-10-2011, 10:05 AM
Need need need need need kneed

Draft best player available and eventually you have a team full of really good players, drafting for need forces the issue and doesn't work as well


The club is beyond BPA at many positions.

HotRoute
01-10-2011, 10:12 AM
The club is beyond BPA at many positions.

Having depth and developing that depth is a beautiful thing.

DJ's left nut
01-10-2011, 10:15 AM
The club is beyond BPA at many positions.

Agreed.

There are clear holes in this lineup, many of which are glaring weaknesses.

NT was exposed yesterday as much as anything. We have to sell out to stop the run because we don't have a nose. If we had a guy like Raji in there to plug the middle, we don't have to sell out with DJ and Belcher and suddenly we can do a lot more to cover those seam routes and soft zones that Heap was taking advantage of.

With this defense, it all starts with the NT. If you can get a plugger there, everyone behind him becomes far more effective.

NT, WR, LOLB, RT, Guard, CB (Arenas isn't good enough, IMO), depth at safety.

In reality, I'd say QB, but that ship has clearly sailed. Unfortunately, it's a leaky dinghy, but nobody seems to care anymore.

Brock
01-10-2011, 10:15 AM
WR C OLB in any order

DJ's left nut
01-10-2011, 10:17 AM
Having depth and developing that depth is a beautiful thing.

When you have crippling holes covered, you're absolutely right.

But you don't go putting down another layer of lacquer on the deck of a ship with no keel. You don't build an extra bedroom onto a home with no kitchen.

This team has MASSIVE holes at critical positions. If you don't address those holes, your depth means precisely dick.

the Talking Can
01-10-2011, 10:20 AM
how many times did we have coverage only to watch flacco break the pocket and run?


we need a NT in the worst way, it will make all our lbs better...we also need lbs, starter and better depth

we need multiple WRs, and a rt and C

etc...


and yes we wasted 2 second round picks last year on midget gadgets non-essential players

HotRoute
01-10-2011, 10:21 AM
When you have crippling holes covered, you're absolutely right.

But you don't go putting down another layer of lacquer on the deck of a ship with no keel. You don't build an extra bedroom onto a home with no kitchen.

This team has MASSIVE holes at critical positions. If you don't address those holes, your depth means precisely dick.

I just don't see us taking a NT in the first round. I have faith in pioli to make the right decisions in the draft

TheGuardian
01-10-2011, 10:24 AM
WE don't have to take a nose in the first. But we have to go get a nose this offseason either through the draft or FA. This is a MUST.

We don't need a corner. Arenas was good as a rookie in the nickel packages. Gosh it's like some of you think a guy is as good as he's going to be as a rookie. Jesus christ.

El Jefe
01-10-2011, 10:27 AM
WE don't have to take a nose in the first. But we have to go get a nose this offseason either through the draft or FA. This is a MUST.

We don't need a corner. Arenas was good as a rookie in the nickel packages. Gosh it's like some of you think a guy is as good as he's going to be as a rookie. Jesus christ.

Spot on, freakin good post brah.

Chiefnj2
01-10-2011, 10:28 AM
and yes we wasted 2 second round picks last year on midget gadgets non-essential players

It was fitting that Cody was able to chase Charles down from behind and force the fumble. A 5.9 40 yard NT sneaking up on the 4.40 playmaker. It was that kind of day.

HotRoute
01-10-2011, 10:35 AM
WE don't have to take a nose in the first. But we have to go get a nose this offseason either through the draft or FA. This is a MUST.

We don't need a corner. Arenas was good as a rookie in the nickel packages. Gosh it's like some of you think a guy is as good as he's going to be as a rookie. Jesus christ.

We also have to remember that legget will be back next year

DJ's left nut
01-10-2011, 10:35 AM
I just don't see us taking a NT in the first round. I have faith in pioli to make the right decisions in the draft

Like he did with McCluster and Arenas? Or 2009?

I have hope he can make the right decisions, but I'm going to stop WELL short of having any faith in it. He simply hasn't given me any reason thus far to believe he will.

Unlike a couple years ago, we do have some building blocks. Hopefully that will allow him to streamline his thinking and focus in on a few key areas. If you try to go 100% at all areas and take the BPA - you end up underscouting key positions in favor of time spent at less critical positions.

We have a finite amount of time and resources for scouting and evaluation. As such, that time and those resources should be put into making sure we get it absolutely right at the positions that are most critical. "BPA" drafts tend to lack focus and a cogent plan. Whereas a draft where you identify 3-5 positions of major need gives you a more focused approach and better information for your targets at those positions.

For the last few seasons I didn't mind the BPA draft, but now we are at least good enough to know where we're bad. Those positions need to be addressed via the draft or FA (I'd honestly pursue my NT in FA, but the draft should obviously be a consideration as well). BPA just doesn't fit where this team is right now, IMO.

HotRoute
01-10-2011, 10:36 AM
Has anyone heard any recent news on Cameron Sheffields status on his injured neck?

HotRoute
01-10-2011, 10:42 AM
Like he did with McCluster and Arenas? Or 2009?

I have hope he can make the right decisions, but I'm going to stop WELL short of having any faith in it. He simply hasn't given me any reason thus far to believe he will.

Unlike a couple years ago, we do have some building blocks. Hopefully that will allow him to streamline his thinking and focus in on a few key areas. If you try to go 100% at all areas and take the BPA - you end up underscouting key positions in favor of time spent at less critical positions.

We have a finite amount of time and resources for scouting and evaluation. As such, that time and those resources should be put into making sure we get it absolutely right at the positions that are most critical. "BPA" drafts tend to lack focus and a cogent plan. Whereas a draft where you identify 3-5 positions of major need gives you a more focused approach and better information for your targets at those positions.

For the last few seasons I didn't mind the BPA draft, but now we are at least good enough to know where we're bad. Those positions need to be addressed via the draft or FA (I'd honestly pursue my NT in FA, but the draft should obviously be a consideration as well). BPA just doesn't fit where this team is right now, IMO.

I'm not ready to write off either mccluster or arenas just yet, as for rookies they got a ton of playing time and will hopefully continue to develop. Not many teams expect rookies to be as productive as the chiefs did this year

El Jefe
01-10-2011, 10:42 AM
It was fitting that Cody was able to chase Charles down from behind and force the fumble. A 5.9 40 yard NT sneaking up on the 4.40 playmaker. It was that kind of day.

Yeah because Charles was running straight up the field unhindered :doh!:

MOhillbilly
01-10-2011, 10:44 AM
Dont wanna draft a NT in rounds 1-2 or even 3 imo bring in every FANT and run em through the ringer.

TheGuardian
01-10-2011, 10:44 AM
Yeah because Charles was running straight up the field unhindered :doh!:

This is the kind of shit that drives me nuts around here. Just dumbass posts like that. Because 40 times matter in traffic. For the love of God.......

mohammedhali
01-10-2011, 10:50 AM
This is an awful idea. LB seems to be your guys' obvious need. Inside specifically.

Derrick Johnson is the man, Belcher could be replaced, But there is no way they draft ILB in the first round, no way (unless there's a Ray Lewis type that drops that far)= No Way.

KILLER_CLOWN
01-10-2011, 10:52 AM
Offensive Line, Wide receiver, D-line, Linebacker oh and maybe QB

Chiefnj2
01-10-2011, 10:53 AM
Yeah because Charles was running straight up the field unhindered :doh!:

It was fitting that the guy we passed on, at a position of great need, who fans said "he's a useless tub of fat, look at the man-titties, etc.," made a really good play from behind on one of the smaller sized KC players that Haley and Pioli seem to favor. It was that type of game.

MOhillbilly
01-10-2011, 10:54 AM
It was fitting that the guy we passed on, at a position of great need, who fans said "he's a useless tub of fat, look at the man-titties, etc.," made a really good play from behind on one of the smaller sized KC players that Haley and Pioli seem to favor. It was that type of game.

The guy we got instead played a HELL of a game yesterday.

Chiefnj2
01-10-2011, 10:55 AM
The guy we got instead played a HELL of a game yesterday.

McCluster had a hell of a game?

notorious
01-10-2011, 10:57 AM
McCluster had a hell of a game?

Sarcasm.

warrior
01-10-2011, 10:58 AM
The guy we got instead played a HELL of a game yesterday.




:thumb:

Berry is/was a great choice 1st pic ever that I wanted and the Chiefs got.

Hoover
01-10-2011, 11:00 AM
I have to agree that NT is the biggest need on this team. I think we will have to address this in the draft as 3-4 NT's don't come on the market all the time and when they do it can cost a lot of $$$$. I think the other need we need that has to be addressed in the draft is the offensive line.

We should then address our needs at WR and LB in free agency. I would not trade for Fitzgerald, doing that would hurt our ability to address our needs in the draft. I would rather target a guy like James Jones of the Packers at WR and LaMarr Woodley the OLB with the Steelers. Both are 27, both have playoff experience, and both are entering the prime.

Priest31kc
01-10-2011, 11:08 AM
Asamoah needs to start in the middle of the OL next year, he'll bring more physicality.

RT - Sorry B-Rich, we need to upgrade, he'd be good depth though.

C - Love Casey, but hes getting up there, and gets dominated by more physical DLines

WR - Bowe needs help. I think Dex will be alot better in the slot next yr, but Bowe needs a #2 oppo him and more depth at WR. Need atleast 2....

NT - Biggest need IMO. Get a legit NT, and this D is already better. Makes DJ, Dorsey & Jackson better immediately.

OLB - Some might say pass rusher is biggest need, but I disagree. Still its pretty high up there, if Hali had another threat on the other side.....damn.

More depth @ LB - I like Belcher, and think he's fine starting, but we need more depth specifically @ ILB. Maybe get someone to put in coverage instead of Belcher.

Better ST blockers - I really thought our return game would be really good this yr w/ Dex & Arenas....but our ST blocking was HORRID. Get players who can block.

MOhillbilly
01-10-2011, 11:11 AM
Albert got straight punked the last couple games and he needs moved and replaced at LT. The guy is just not a hardcore tackle.

Zeke
01-10-2011, 11:16 AM
Asamoah needs to start in the middle of the OL next year, he'll bring more physicality.

RT - Sorry B-Rich, we need to upgrade, he'd be good depth though.

C - Love Casey, but hes getting up there, and gets dominated by more physical DLines

WR - Bowe needs help. I think Dex will be alot better in the slot next yr, but Bowe needs a #2 oppo him and more depth at WR. Need atleast 2....

NT - Biggest need IMO. Get a legit NT, and this D is already better. Makes DJ, Dorsey & Jackson better immediately.

OLB - Some might say pass rusher is biggest need, but I disagree. Still its pretty high up there, if Hali had another threat on the other side.....damn.

More depth @ LB - I like Belcher, and think he's fine starting, but we need more depth specifically @ ILB. Maybe get someone to put in coverage instead of Belcher.

Better ST blockers - I really thought our return game would be really good this yr w/ Dex & Arenas....but our ST blocking was HORRID. Get players who can block.

Did Mays or Demarrio do anything to help our Special teams this year? I remember Demarrio making a couple of plays on Defense, but he did more to hurt the team than anything. Jesus those two need to gtfo already. Waste of money and roster space.

Those are supposed to be veteran guys that helped us quite a bit with depth and on ST and they stunk at both.

If we don't draft 2-3 LB's in this draft, that's a crying shame.

MOhillbilly
01-10-2011, 11:18 AM
Did Mays or Demarrio do anything to help our Special teams this year? I remember Demarrio making a couple of plays on Defense, but he did more to hurt the team than anything. Jesus those two need to gtfo already. Waste of money and roster space.

Those are supposed to be veteran guys that helped us quite a bit with depth and on ST and they stunk at both.

If we don't draft 2-3 LB's in this draft, that's a crying shame.


2-3 linbackers in one draft is nuts. Draft, fa pick ups.

Zeke
01-10-2011, 11:39 AM
2-3 linbackers in one draft is nuts. Draft, fa pick ups.

I spoke out of turn. Rookie Free Agents I consider part of the draft class. I would rather have 2 Rookie Free Agents on the roster next year rather than Mays or Demarrio. So 2-3 Rookies.

TheGuardian
01-10-2011, 11:40 AM
Asomoah is not playing center. Jesus people.

DJ's left nut
01-10-2011, 11:48 AM
Better ST blockers - I really thought our return game would be really good this yr w/ Dex & Arenas....but our ST blocking was HORRID. Get players who can block.

For some reason this reminds me of "there was an old lady who swallowed a fly"

We drafted a couple of midgets, one a scat back and one a return specialist, in order to cover for the deficiencies of our QB.

Said midgets didn't do the trick, so now it's time to draft some blockers to cover for the deficiencies of the midgets.

"There was an old lady who swallowed a horse...she's dead, of course."

I'm disinclined to put any more effort into trying to salvage a bad draft pick (or trade).

DJ's left nut
01-10-2011, 11:49 AM
Asomoah is not playing center. Jesus people.

Nope.

But Waters could make that transition nicely and Asomoah would slide in at LG admirably.

C has to be addressed - Weigmann is a warrior and has had a great career, but he can be dominated at the point of attack. Unless we want to use a high draft pick on a guy like Pouncey, the best available option is presently playing guard for us.

Ralphy Boy
01-10-2011, 12:32 PM
Wonder if the Chargers would trade away Cam Thomas?

Chiefnj2
01-10-2011, 12:38 PM
But Waters could make that transition nicely and Asomoah would slide in at LG admirably.



Stop with the stupidity. Waters is on his last legs and hasn't played center in a decade.