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the Talking Can
01-10-2011, 08:51 AM
Our coordinators

No one is surprised that Cassel couldn't rise to the occasion (Pats fans have long lectured us to love and accept this mediocrity), but both Crennel and Weis got their asses kicked.

These guys have rings, I expected better.

We have Charles, Moeaki, and that worthless midget McCluster....why couldn't we run that short middle stuff that the Ravens were killing us with?

And we couldn't throw a simple slant to Bowe?....Really?

Ravens destroyed us on 3rd down. Our early blitzes were worthless. The defense got better, and held them to fgs for a awhile, but we couldn't get them off the field in the first half when it was crucial.

It was obvious on the first drive that the Ravens OC saw a weakness in our defense, and exploited it.

I thought we had a great chance to win largely based on the pedigree of our coordinators. Still shocked.

JASONSAUTO
01-10-2011, 08:52 AM
weis mailed it in


we hope at least. pray haley wasnt calling the plays

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-10-2011, 08:52 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/10/kolb-wants-to-start-or-he-wants-out-of-philly/


chiefs need to go get kolb

Dave Lane
01-10-2011, 08:56 AM
I'll give props to Crennel. This is largely (other than Berry) the same defense as the last 10 years of defensive abortion. He schemed this group into doing far better than they should have. The main thing Sunday was the totally lopsided TOP, I saw player after player coming to the sideline gassed. If we could have sustained a few offensive drives to keep TOP close they would have been fresher and done a better job in my mind.

Chiefnj2
01-10-2011, 09:00 AM
I'll give props to Crennel. This is largely (other than Berry) the same defense as the last 10 years of defensive abortion. He schemed this group into doing far better than they should have. The main thing Sunday was the totally lopsided TOP, I saw player after player coming to the sideline gassed. If we could have sustained a few offensive drives to keep TOP close they would have been fresher and done a better job in my mind.

The D's failure on 3rd downs was just as big as the offense's inability to move the ball.

KCrockaholic
01-10-2011, 09:02 AM
The defense didn't stand a chance when they were out on the field all day long.

The offense didn't help the defense out at all. I don't really put this on the D.

the Talking Can
01-10-2011, 09:02 AM
I'll give props to Crennel. This is largely (other than Berry) the same defense as the last 10 years of defensive abortion. He schemed this group into doing far better than they should have. The main thing Sunday was the totally lopsided TOP, I saw player after player coming to the sideline gassed. If we could have sustained a few offensive drives to keep TOP close they would have been fresher and done a better job in my mind.

i agree, and i'm glad Crennel is staying and Weis leaving



but i still expected something better, i guess...figured they had some rabbits to pull out of their hats....the ravens had us schemed much better than we had them...

Tuckdaddy
01-10-2011, 09:04 AM
If you don't have the players then you don't havr the players no matter who is coaching.

pr_capone
01-10-2011, 09:04 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/10/kolb-wants-to-start-or-he-wants-out-of-philly/


chiefs need to go get kolb

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7956/stoppostingb.jpg

ChiTown
01-10-2011, 09:06 AM
The defense didn't stand a chance when they were out on the field all day long.

The offense didn't help the defense out at all. I don't really put this on the D.

+1

When you turn the flippin ball over 5 times, and in your own territory, we are lucky we held them to FG's versus TD's, and gave our O a chance. Unfortunately, the O was miserable, had no answer for the Ravens D, and folded like a card table early in the 3rd qtr (after the failed 4th down conversion). At that point, the game was OVER.

Bill Lundberg
01-10-2011, 09:07 AM
The defense didn't stand a chance when they were out on the field all day long.

The offense didn't help the defense out at all. I don't really put this on the D.

This

kepp
01-10-2011, 09:09 AM
The D's failure on 3rd downs was just as big as the offense's inability to move the ball.

And I swear half of those were because McGraw was covering Heap.

Dave Lane
01-10-2011, 09:09 AM
i agree, and i'm glad Crennel is staying and Weis leaving



but i still expected something better, i guess...figured they had some rabbits to pull out of their hats....the ravens had us schemed much better than we had them...

The Ravens had us schemed with talent. Seriously they were 12-4 in the AFC East. Thats a tough frikken division.

KCrockaholic
01-10-2011, 09:10 AM
And I swear half of those were because McGraw was covering Heap.

That's true. McGraw is a damn disaster. Liability in coverage, and he's not as instinctual as you would expect from a vet.

The TD pass to Rice was McGraw's fault also.

KCrockaholic
01-10-2011, 09:10 AM
The Ravens had us schemed with talent. Seriously they were 12-4 in the AFC East. Thats a tough frikken division.

AFC North.

Easy 6
01-10-2011, 09:11 AM
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7956/stoppostingb.jpg

LMAO

tk13
01-10-2011, 09:12 AM
Crennel did a great job all year of picking a thing or two the other team does well and taking it away. And the good news is it usually worked... but it always left something else open that hurt us. Same thing happened yesterday... really we shut down their running attack and their all star WR cast on the outside, but that left the middle wide open.

Dave Lane
01-10-2011, 09:12 AM
And I swear half of those were because McGraw was covering Heap.

They had to put McGraw in. As great as Berry was doing in run support and making plays, Heap is his man to cover. He was getting pwned by Heap.

Sure-Oz
01-10-2011, 09:14 AM
Doesn't help when your #2 WR is a guy off the street...something tells me that no one could get open worth a shit. We also didn't use charles as a reciever out of the backfield like we should've.

the Talking Can
01-10-2011, 09:14 AM
The Ravens had us schemed with talent. Seriously they were 12-4 in the AFC East. Thats a tough frikken division.

they schemed us on offense

that wasn't just about talent...their offense had been pitiful coming into the game


they saw a weakness in our d and simply exploited it over and over and over....their OC deserves credit for that

KCrockaholic
01-10-2011, 09:15 AM
They had to put McGraw in. As great as Berry was doing in run support and making plays, Heap is his man to cover. He was getting pwned by Heap.

I don't think so. Berry had Heap covered very well throughout the game. There was 1 perfect pass on the sidelines when Berry went for the INT rather than swat and it was completed. Berry had Heap blanketed in the endzone on 3rd down. McGraw was just horrible. He did nothing right in that game.

KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN
01-10-2011, 09:18 AM
Charlie Weis left Kansas City 2 weeks ago. He knew that the farther the Chiefs went in the playoffs the less time he would have to recruit talent to Florida. Haley should have kicked him out when he learned he accepted another position. There is no explaining the total lack of any downfield pass attempts or play action passes! Weis wanted us to lose so he could get to Florida! I hope he drowns in the swamp!

Deberg_1990
01-10-2011, 09:19 AM
BTW, Chan Gailey hung 34 points on the Ravens D earlier this year.

KCrockaholic
01-10-2011, 09:20 AM
Gawd. These guys on ESPN are fuckin dumb.

Saying the Chiefs haven't BEEN to the playoffs since 1993....Fuckin tool.

KCrockaholic
01-10-2011, 09:21 AM
BTW, Chan Gailey hung 34 points on the Ravens D earlier this year.

Yeah but his QB

58-4ever
01-10-2011, 09:38 AM
Kolb=Cassel 2.0

NaptownChief
01-10-2011, 09:45 AM
When McCluster Fu@k has 60% of the touches that Charles has then you have to really wonder about the game plan. Chiefs offensive game plan was pretty poor. Probably wouldn't have won the game no matter what but a game plan that took advantage of the fact they were running the ball well would have at least kept them in the game. But when Charles only gets 10 touches and Mighty Mouse McCluster gets 6 then the coaching staff needs their heads checked.

Kintclan
01-10-2011, 09:49 AM
When your best RB puts 88 yards on the defense in the first half and then you dont give him any touches in the second half something is really wrong. I agree that Weiss wanted it over so he could get to Florida. I think they should have pounded the ball with JC until they could stop him.

NaptownChief
01-10-2011, 09:51 AM
When your best RB puts 88 yards on the defense in the first half and then you dont give him any touches in the second half something is really wrong. I agree that Weiss wanted it over so he could get to Florida. I think they should have pounded the ball with JC until they could stop him.


Exactly...That was the biggest head scratcher....only thing that made less sense was Jim Caldwell's brainless timeout late in the Colts/Jets game.

-King-
01-10-2011, 09:53 AM
I put this game on Weis. He can go and rot in Florida. Asshole checked out before last week. The 2nd half was fucking aweful. Jamaal Charles was averaging damn near 10 a carry and Weis stops running the ball. Hope his gall bladder explodes again.

Crennel can't really do shit when the Ravens got the ball on our 40 to start drives.
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T-post Tom
01-10-2011, 10:07 AM
O Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo?

Why should Crennel get a free pass? Even before the turnovers, the defense couldn't get off the field. Just look at the disparity in time of possession in the first half. Romeo was incapable of making adjustments yesterday. It was like Greg Robinson all over again. Hey Romeo, if your young safety is getting owned by a bigger, stronger and smarter TE, then put a LB on the f'ng line and mug that SOB. Disrupt his f'ng routes and don't allow him to get into his f'ng patterns!!! He pushed Berry around from the very beginning. You should have f'ng done something before the 4th WIDE OPEN reception. FUCK YOU, GRANDPA.

OK, I feel better now. Carry on.

The God Hypothesis
01-10-2011, 10:08 AM
i agree, and i'm glad Crennel is staying and Weis leaving



but i still expected something better, i guess...figured they had some rabbits to pull out of their hats....the ravens had us schemed much better than we had them...

It is a little early to assume that Romeo is staying.

Weis frequents a local pizza joint by my house up north that I frequent as well (great tv's and cheap beer) and according to him Romeo hates Coach Haley too and will look to ride into one of the open head coaching jobs if at all possible. I know that seems obvious, but I figured he would be happy as a D-Coordinator and not be shopping himself around. I don't see this happening, but it is dissapointing to know he is looking at other opportunities after just one year.

Weis made it clear he H A T E S coach Haley. Before hearing this I thought everyones speculation was a conspiracy theory but he made his dissatisfaction loud and clear. He also said that he didnt enjoy the immaturity of college players and had planned to never go back but this was before all of the drama. Supposedly Florida is paying for his sons entire medical education whether Charlie stays there or not. After Notre Dame paid his ass 18 million to leave you'd think he could afford the tab anyways. His wife never really lived here in KC, and I think we are possibly better off without him.

However, even though I really like Coach Haley especially after the inmate's running the asylum coaching styles of Herm and DV, we need to retain talented coordinators to be successful. I really hope Romeo sticks around for the long haul.

the Talking Can
01-10-2011, 10:10 AM
It is a little early to assume that Romeo is staying.

Weis frequents a local pizza joint by my house up north that I frequent as well (great tv's and cheap beer) and according to him Romeo hates Coach Haley too and will look to ride into one of the open head coaching jobs if at all possible. I know that seems obvious, but I figured he would be happy as a D-Coordinator and not be shopping himself around. I don't see this happening, but it is dissapointing to know he is looking at other opportunities after just one year.

Weis made it clear he H A T E S coach Haley. Before hearing this I thought everyones speculation was a conspiracy theory but he made his dissatisfaction loud and clear. He also said that he didnt enjoy the immaturity of college players and had planned to never go back but this was before all of the drama. Supposedly Florida is paying for his sons entire medical education whether Charlie stays there or not. After Notre Dame paid his ass 18 million to leave you'd think he could afford the tab anyways. His wife never really lived here in KC, and I think we are possibly better off without him.

However, even though I really like Coach Haley especially after the inmate's running the asylum coaching styles of Herm and DV, we need to retain talented coordinators to be successful. I really hope Romeo sticks around for the long haul.

hmm, interesting....thanks for the info, even though i'll have to file it under 'internet rumors'....

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-10-2011, 10:11 AM
It is a little early to assume that Romeo is staying.

Weis frequents a local pizza joint by my house up north that I frequent as well (great tv's and cheap beer) and according to him Romeo hates Coach Haley too and will look to ride into one of the open head coaching jobs if at all possible. I know that seems obvious, but I figured he would be happy as a D-Coordinator and not be shopping himself around. I don't see this happening, but it is dissapointing to know he is looking at other opportunities after just one year.

Weis made it clear he H A T E S coach Haley. Before hearing this I thought everyones speculation was a conspiracy theory but he made his dissatisfaction loud and clear. He also said that he didnt enjoy the immaturity of college players and had planned to never go back but this was before all of the drama. Supposedly Florida is paying for his sons entire medical education whether Charlie stays there or not. After Notre Dame paid his ass 18 million to leave you'd think he could afford the tab anyways. His wife never really lived here in KC, and I think we are possibly better off without him.

However, even though I really like Coach Haley especially after the inmate's running the asylum coaching styles of Herm and DV, we need to retain talented coordinators to be successful. I really hope Romeo sticks around for the long haul.

crap like this makes my day ...hey Romeo hates you to

-King-
01-10-2011, 10:19 AM
O Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo?

Why should Crennel get a free pass? Even before the turnovers, the defense couldn't get off the field. Just look at the disparity in time of possession in the first half. Romeo was incapable of making adjustments yesterday. It was like Greg Robinson all over again. Hey Romeo, if your young safety is getting owned by a bigger, stronger and smarter TE, then put a LB on the f'ng line and mug that SOB. Disrupt his f'ng routes and don't allow him to get into his f'ng patterns!!! He pushed Berry around from the very beginning. You should have f'ng done something before the 4th WIDE OPEN reception. FUCK YOU, GRANDPA.

OK, I feel better now. Carry on.

They had 2 legit drives iirc. Romeos defense did their job for the most part. The Ravens got the ball to start the drive at our 40 more than a few times. Can't put that on the defense.
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OnTheWarpath58
01-10-2011, 10:31 AM
They had 2 legit drives iirc. Romeos defense did their job for the most part. The Ravens got the ball to start the drive at our 40 more than a few times. Can't put that on the defense.
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I'm not sure how anyone can blame the defense.

It's not like it wasn't a 10-7 game with 9:00 to go in the 3rd quarter, and we'd had the ball on offense for all of 12:00 to that point.

They'd done a damn good job to that point considering they'd been on the field for approximately 24 of the first 36 minutes of the game.

The God Hypothesis
01-10-2011, 10:32 AM
crap like this makes my day ...hey Romeo hates you to

I understand your take, I was simply sharing information I was given. I didn't create a thread to announce anything and shove it down your throat, I was simply passing along info I found interesting.

Brock
01-10-2011, 10:33 AM
If you're going to do that to your D, you better have incredible depth. The Chiefs don't.

Chiefnj2
01-10-2011, 10:34 AM
I'm not sure how anyone can blame the defense.

It's not like it wasn't a 10-7 game with 9:00 to go in the 3rd quarter, and we'd had the ball on offense for all of 12:00 to that point.

They'd done a damn good job to that point considering they'd been on the field for approximately 24 of the first 36 minutes of the game.

At that point, they were on the field so long in large part due to the scheme and failure to stop the Ravens on 3rd down. The offensive turnovers put the nail in the coffin for them.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-10-2011, 10:35 AM
they schemed us on offense

that wasn't just about talent...their offense had been pitiful coming into the game


they saw a weakness in our d and simply exploited it over and over and over....their OC deserves credit for that

They saw the same damned weakness that dozens of people on this site saw in the fucking preseason.

The obstinacy of a lot of NFL OCs is mind-boggling at times.

Frosty
01-10-2011, 10:36 AM
I thought last week's vanilla play-calling was maybe some way to disguise things for the play-offs but after watching the game yesterday, it's pretty clear that it was just Weis mailing it in.

El Jefe
01-10-2011, 10:38 AM
I don't think so. Berry had Heap covered very well throughout the game. There was 1 perfect pass on the sidelines when Berry went for the INT rather than swat and it was completed. Berry had Heap blanketed in the endzone on 3rd down. McGraw was just horrible. He did nothing right in that game.

I agree.

notorious
01-10-2011, 10:41 AM
+1

When you turn the flippin ball over 5 times, and in your own territory, we are lucky we held them to FG's versus TD's, and gave our O a chance. Unfortunately, the O was miserable, had no answer for the Ravens D, and folded like a card table early in the 3rd qtr (after the failed 4th down conversion). At that point, the game was OVER.

I agree.


The defense's 3rd and long performance was anger-inspiring, but they didn't break.


The offense was a pile of shit, with Cassel and Weis being the cherries on top.

beach tribe
01-10-2011, 10:44 AM
It wasn't the scheme on Defense that allowed Balt to convert the third downs early in the game. It was DJs complete inability to cover or tackle Ray rice.

HemiEd
01-10-2011, 10:52 AM
I think the defense did an outstanding job. Being on the field forever, finally wore their asses out. Letting the opposition start from your 20, after your own fucking Offense turns it over on the first play, repeatedly, is not going to allow your defense a chance to succeed.

The defense brought their A game IMO.

The offense is so full of problems except for Jamaal Charles, the rest need to be shitcanned and start over. Get rid of all of them. :banghead:

KC Tattoo
01-10-2011, 11:02 AM
I'll give props to Crennel. This is largely (other than Berry) the same defense as the last 10 years of defensive abortion. He schemed this group into doing far better than they should have. The main thing Sunday was the totally lopsided TOP, I saw player after player coming to the sideline gassed. If we could have sustained a few offensive drives to keep TOP close they would have been fresher and done a better job in my mind.

I agree, I put our defense collaps on our offense failures to produse long sustained drives. One of my biggest disapointment was watching Jones this season. He had a few good games but he was a drive killer for the most part especially at the start of games. I feel that Jackie Battle could have done a better job and Jackie Battle has a chance to be around for the next several seasons. Jones took away playing time from other younger guys. Yea it's nice to have a vet like Jones but not at the cost of developing players that needed to play. The excuse for Jackie not to play was he was a special teams guy. WTF. Maybe Jackie would have failed but he didn't get the chance to do either succeed or fail but we are going to need him next year. Jones has to be replaced.

I think Jones, Chambers, & Vrabel should be offered a coaching role, fine with that. They are old and no good going forward with this team. They took valuable playing time away from developing players.

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-10-2011, 11:10 AM
610 just said Haley wanted to fire him 2 weeks ago scott told him no wow if this is true gonna get ugly around here

kaplin42
01-10-2011, 11:19 AM
Charlie Weis left Kansas City 2 weeks ago. He knew that the farther the Chiefs went in the playoffs the less time he would have to recruit talent to Florida. Haley should have kicked him out when he learned he accepted another position. There is no explaining the total lack of any downfield pass attempts or play action passes! Weis wanted us to lose so he could get to Florida! I hope he drowns in the swamp!

This is just stupid.

Please take your tinfoil hat off and step away from the keyboard.

Valiant
01-10-2011, 11:32 AM
I'll give props to Crennel. This is largely (other than Berry) the same defense as the last 10 years of defensive abortion. He schemed this group into doing far better than they should have. The main thing Sunday was the totally lopsided TOP, I saw player after player coming to the sideline gassed. If we could have sustained a few offensive drives to keep TOP close they would have been fresher and done a better job in my mind.

I have always hated the TOP talk and gassing players. The offense is also out there. If you sub properly you should not be more tired then your opposition. Now it does matter for chances of winning because you control the ball longer and limit the opposition having it.

CoMoChief
01-10-2011, 11:47 AM
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7956/stoppostingb.jpg

:LOL:

kaplin42
01-10-2011, 11:54 AM
The problem with the game yesterday came down to really one simple fact. Talent.

While we have some awesome rookies (Berry is just going to be amazing) and young players in our secondary, Our LB's (excluding Hali who has made the transition to LB, and come out the other end a beast) and our D-Linemen leave something to be desired. Dorsey, Gilberry and Smith are getting better, but thatís about it. We desperately need a NT, a solid MLB, and another pass rusher.

The really bad part is that we draft or offensive players from the handicap Olympics. Charles is amazing, there is no doubt, but everyone else is terrible. While Cassel made some improvements at the latter part of the year, he went from being absolutely horrible, too passable as a QB in the CFL. We were all so ecstatic that he made it passed the starring down his receiver issue that we moved him up into the pantheon of greatness, when really he barely made it into the hall of "he's ok if the defense is ranked 25th or lower". Bowe had a great season, but is that because he is awesome, or because we have no other receivers to go to. I think the fact that he was completely shut out yesterday, as in not even given a look to, is a pretty big sign that he is not the player we want him to be. Great receivers find ways to be open, even more than that, coaches find ways to get them open. The O-line is a wreck. Lilja was an upgrade over last year, so was Wiegman, Waters is mailing it in, Albert is still learning, and apparently we are just cursed at RT and will never find a player that can do anything more than just be a speed bump.

Some people want to blame Weiss or Haley, and thatís fine, some of the blame definitely falls to them, like not using JC at all in the second half, how does that even happen? But no matter what the scheme was yesterday, the talent wasnít there to pull it off. Charles runs for 9 yards three times in a row, go out for a breather, and Jones gets back to the LoS. Bowe doesnít get open or even try to it looked like, and Cassels reverts back to shitting himself instead of being a legit QB. If you are a QB in the NFL, you should know exactly what intentional grounding is, and avoid it, not make it blatantly obvious that youíre doing it. That play right there was the beginning of the end.

Believe it when you hear that the strength of schedule is why the Chiefs got into the playoffs this year, and be prepared for next year to go back to be a sub .500 team again. Cause if they don't address the offensive needs in a major way, teams will just load up, stop Charles, and put the game on Cassel's shoulders. And, well, we all know how that ends.

Bill Lundberg
01-10-2011, 11:56 AM
BradBiggs @Brad Biggs
Since 2003, QBs making first start in playoffs are 5-19, including KC's Matt Cassel, who lost Sunday.

Pawnmower
01-10-2011, 11:57 AM
The problem with the game yesterday came down to really one simple fact. Talent.


This is pretty accurate. I havent seen many comments about this, but our salary was the lowest in the league.(I believe ~80 million in 2010). The annual salaries of the top teams is like 150 million, or almost double ours. Until Clark Hunt ponies up the money, we will always be competing at a disadvantage. If the Players/Owners strike a deal, I better see Clark getting out his god damned wallet. This is crap.

Bill Lundberg
01-10-2011, 11:58 AM
@BradBiggs Brad Biggs
The 5 to win in 1st playoff start since 03: Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco, David Garrard, Ben Roethlisberger, Jake Delhomme.

the Talking Can
01-10-2011, 11:59 AM
@BradBiggs Brad Biggs
The 5 to win in 1st playoff start since 03: Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco, David Garrard, Ben Roethlisberger, Jake Delhomme.

what about the 5 to have a 20 QB rating and 3ints in their first playoff game?

Simply Red
01-10-2011, 12:04 PM
what about the 5 to have a 20 QB rating and 3ints in their first playoff game?

My personal favorite was when Casshole had about 47 seconds to throw the ball, nvr flushed out of the pocket and slanged it about 15 yards out of bounds. That one was pretty. I bet he literally DID shit in his pants, yesterday.

JASONSAUTO
01-10-2011, 12:05 PM
My personal favorite was when Casshole had about 47 seconds to throw the ball, nvr flushed out of the pocket and slanged it about 15 yards out of bounds. That one was pretty. I bet he literally DID shit in his pants, yesterday.

on that play there was NO ONE open. no one. not even for a second

Simply Red
01-10-2011, 12:08 PM
on that play there was NO ONE open. no one. not even for a second

it was genius to NOT get out of the pkt, first, you know? - PRIOR to throwing it to Gates N Sons.

eazyb81
01-10-2011, 12:12 PM
It is a little early to assume that Romeo is staying.

Weis frequents a local pizza joint by my house up north that I frequent as well (great tv's and cheap beer) and according to him Romeo hates Coach Haley too and will look to ride into one of the open head coaching jobs if at all possible. I know that seems obvious, but I figured he would be happy as a D-Coordinator and not be shopping himself around. I don't see this happening, but it is dissapointing to know he is looking at other opportunities after just one year.

Weis made it clear he H A T E S coach Haley. Before hearing this I thought everyones speculation was a conspiracy theory but he made his dissatisfaction loud and clear. He also said that he didnt enjoy the immaturity of college players and had planned to never go back but this was before all of the drama. Supposedly Florida is paying for his sons entire medical education whether Charlie stays there or not. After Notre Dame paid his ass 18 million to leave you'd think he could afford the tab anyways. His wife never really lived here in KC, and I think we are possibly better off without him.

However, even though I really like Coach Haley especially after the inmate's running the asylum coaching styles of Herm and DV, we need to retain talented coordinators to be successful. I really hope Romeo sticks around for the long haul.

If anyone has a terrible reputation for working with others, it's Weis. It's well known in football circles that he has an ego the size of Texas, and in my brief encounters with him it sure seems accurate. He is extraordinarily smart, but he's a "my way or the highway" guy when it comes to schemes and gameplans, and is a bit awkward in social situations.

Also not sure where you're getting that bit about Weis' wife. They still have their huge pad in South Bend, but she's been living in KC. I don't think they ever really embraced KC though; it's been more of an in-between spot to sit before they figured out where they really wanted to go. Charlie's son was originally planning to go to Texas, but when the Florida thing came up they all decided to make it happen.

ClevelandBronco
01-10-2011, 12:17 PM
I don't know why Weis timed events the way he did, and I suspect that his decisions hurt the Chiefs' chances somewhat. But Romeo Crennel performed exactly as he should be expected to perform: to the best of his very shitty abilities.

Chiefnj2
01-10-2011, 12:21 PM
Denny Green: "Chiefs are who we thought Seattle was."

-I saw that on Whitlock's twitter.

notorious
01-10-2011, 12:25 PM
Denny Green: "Chiefs are who we thought Seattle was."

-I saw that on Whitlock's twitter.

That IS pretty clever.

Dave Lane
01-10-2011, 12:28 PM
Exactly...That was the biggest head scratcher....only thing that made less sense was Jim Caldwell's brainless timeout late in the Colts/Jets game.

You obviously haven't been paying attention to the fact Charles got hurt at the end of the 1st half.

The God Hypothesis
01-10-2011, 12:31 PM
If anyone has a terrible reputation for working with others, it's Weis. It's well known in football circles that he has an ego the size of Texas, and in my brief encounters with him it sure seems accurate. He is extraordinarily smart, but he's a "my way or the highway" guy when it comes to schemes and gameplans, and is a bit awkward in social situations.

Also not sure where you're getting that bit about Weis' wife. They still have their huge pad in South Bend, but she's been living in KC. I don't think they ever really embraced KC though; it's been more of an in-between spot to sit before they figured out where they really wanted to go. Charlie's son was originally planning to go to Texas, but when the Florida thing came up they all decided to make it happen.

That bit about his wife in entirety: His wife never really lived here in KC. Your bit: They still have their huge pad in South Bend, but she's been living in KC. I don't think they ever really embraced KC though; it's been more of an in-between spot to sit before they figured out where they really wanted to go.

You obviously know more about the situation, but we are largely saying the same thing. Yes they had a house here in Risk Lake, and she may very well have been here at times, but I was told that she never really lived in KC, made it her home. You also state they never embraced KC, it was an in-between spot. Only relevent because imo Charlie never had intentions to stay in KC and planned all along to bolt once his boy finished @ St. Pius. I just don't think he planned on it being a trip back to the college game, by his own admission.

HemiEd
01-10-2011, 12:42 PM
This is pretty accurate. I havent seen many comments about this, but our salary was the lowest in the league.(I believe ~80 million in 2010). The annual salaries of the top teams is like 150 million, or almost double ours. Until Clark Hunt ponies up the money, we will always be competing at a disadvantage. If the Players/Owners strike a deal, I better see Clark getting out his god damned wallet. This is crap.

Bullshit.

You want the Chiefs to be more like the Raiders, Cowboys, Vikings and Browns?

NFL payrolls (http://www.altiusdirectory.com/Sports/nfl-salaries.php)

As a business man, and a fan, I appreciate the fact that he is building through the draft and positioning the team for the CBA that is unknown at this time.

JASONSAUTO
01-10-2011, 12:43 PM
it was genius to NOT get out of the pkt, first, you know? - PRIOR to throwing it to Gates N Sons.

i agree here

Bill Lundberg
01-10-2011, 12:48 PM
Bullshit.

You want the Chiefs to be more like the Raiders, Cowboys, Vikings and Browns?

NFL payrolls (http://www.altiusdirectory.com/Sports/nfl-salaries.php)

As a business man, and a fan, I appreciate the fact that he is building through the draft and positioning the team for the CBA that is unknown at this time.

Interesting to point out that the Ravens are just one step above us on your link for salary.

HemiEd
01-10-2011, 12:49 PM
You obviously haven't been paying attention to the fact Charles got hurt at the end of the 1st half.

375 lbs. of man titted Terrance Cody squashed the poor little guy. He probably had nightmares about those loose hangers all night.

http://i51.tinypic.com/sy09w6.jpg

HemiEd
01-10-2011, 12:51 PM
Interesting to point out that the Ravens are just one step above us on your link for salary.

Pats, Colts and Packers right above them. I would rather be in that company than the top 5, wouldn't you? It must mean something.

Pawnmower
01-10-2011, 12:53 PM
Bullshit.

You want the Chiefs to be more like the Raiders, Cowboys, Vikings and Browns?

NFL payrolls (http://www.altiusdirectory.com/Sports/nfl-salaries.php)

As a business man, and a fan, I appreciate the fact that he is building through the draft and positioning the team for the CBA that is unknown at this time.

Bullshit...What about the Saints and Steelers? Bears?

Saints and steelers have rings. Bears have a bye week.

Why do you NOT mention those teams. Look I am not saying we have to spend the MOST money...Can we just not spend the LEAST? The god damn bears have a 50% higher salary than us. 120 million. How bout we spend 110? It isn't even your money...'

Also, in your completely bullshit dishonest post, you mention the CBA...If you go back and read what I wrote..It is 100% predicated on the CBA being sorted out. (notice in my post I said 'IF the players / owners reach a deal')

Pawnmower
01-10-2011, 01:03 PM
Pats, Colts and Packers right above them. I would rather be in that company than the top 5, wouldn't you? It must mean something.

We would need to spend 10% more on our salary just to be in their company. If you look at it in sheer numbers that is 5 more players worth of salary.

The God Hypothesis
01-10-2011, 01:17 PM
375 lbs. of man titted Terrance Cody squashed the poor little guy. He probably had nightmares about those loose hangers all night.

http://i51.tinypic.com/sy09w6.jpg

:LOL: Those are epic National Geographic hangers!!

Frosty
01-10-2011, 01:18 PM
:LOL: Those are epic National Geographic hangers!!

I'm not sure Charles was right after the full mass of that landed on him.

OnTheWarpath58
01-10-2011, 01:26 PM
You obviously haven't been paying attention to the fact Charles got hurt at the end of the 1st half.

Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse.

Dude wasn't too hurt to take a pass in the flat 15 yards early in the 3rd quarter.

Dude wasn't too hurt to call a toss sweep for him on 4th and a goddamn foot.

Dude wasn't too hurt to be picking up blitzes in pass protection in the 2nd half.

It's a cover-your-ass excuse, and nothing more.

HemiEd
01-10-2011, 01:26 PM
Bullshit...What about the Saints and Steelers? Bears?

Saints and steelers have rings. Bears have a bye week.

Why do you NOT mention those teams. Look I am not saying we have to spend the MOST money...Can we just not spend the LEAST? The god damn bears have a 50% higher salary than us. 120 million. How bout we spend 110? It isn't even your money...'

Also, in your completely bullshit dishonest post, you mention the CBA...If you go back and read what I wrote..It is 100% predicated on the CBA being sorted out. (notice in my post I said 'IF the players / owners reach a deal')
You are the guy that called Clark Hunt cheap n00b! Just which players would you have added from free agency this year?

If he was cheap would he have paid for Pioli, Haley, Wiess and Crennel, probably the most expensive staff in the NFL? After paying off Herm and Galey?

See it just don't wash call him cheap. Now, if after the CBA is done, and they are the lowest, then we have a problem.

NaptownChief
01-10-2011, 03:40 PM
Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse.

Dude wasn't too hurt to take a pass in the flat 15 yards early in the 3rd quarter.

Dude wasn't too hurt to call a toss sweep for him on 4th and a goddamn foot.

Dude wasn't too hurt to be picking up blitzes in pass protection in the 2nd half.

It's a cover-your-ass excuse, and nothing more.


If he was hurt then TV did the worst job in history of covering it. Guy who was the star of the first half gets hurt and they aren't talking about it?

Short Leash Hootie
01-10-2011, 05:20 PM
Unlike everyone else...I thought the 4th and 1 call was the right call...charles in space had been working all day. Crennel on the other hand...he flat pissed me off with his conservative "bend don't break" bullshit...the playcalling after the 4th and 1 turned awful but I was ok with that call and people are mad because we didn't execute...so regardless of what was called it would be getting blasted today for not working...if charles takes that pitch for another score the staff are heroes.

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jd1020
01-10-2011, 05:22 PM
Unlike everyone else...I thought the 4th and 1 call was the right call...charles in space had been working all day. Crennel on the other hand...he flat pissed me off with his conservative "bend don't break" bullshit...the playcalling after the 4th and 1 turned awful but I was ok with that call and people are mad because we didn't execute...so regardless of what was called it would be getting blasted today for not working...if charles takes that pitch for another score the staff are heroes.

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Why risk running outside when you have a foot to go?

Short Leash Hootie
01-10-2011, 05:25 PM
Haloti ngata...we were running outside all game...I was even shouting pitch left before the play was called...the ravens loaded up heavy left so cassel probably audibled right (maybe not) and it got stopped....I was so disappointed in the game and the effort displayed but this call wasn't a bad call at all it just wasn't executed.

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Phobia
01-10-2011, 05:28 PM
We have Charles, Moeaki, and that worthless midget McCluster....why couldn't we run that short middle stuff that the Ravens were killing us with?

And we couldn't throw a simple slant to Bowe?....Really?


I don't know if this has been mentioned but that was Jon McGraw all day. I don't think the Ravens have one of those positions on their defense - whatever position it is that he plays.

jd1020
01-10-2011, 05:29 PM
Still doesnt make sense to run a pitch with a foot to go to extend the drive. It wasnt even a true pitch. It was an inside fake then a pitch. Christ... run an I-form with Battle leading the way and take your pick. 1) Let Battle blow up the inside or 2) Run Charles right behind him.

Short Leash Hootie
01-10-2011, 05:30 PM
I don't think its as easy as you're trying to paint it...we gained yards on that sweep every time in the 1st half...we weren't running inside at all because it wasn't gonna be there...just my opinion of course.

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'Hamas' Jenkins
01-10-2011, 05:31 PM
That was not an audible. No QB ever audibles to a toss sweep on 4th and a foot, you fucking moron. Do you ever not just make shit up as you go?

Besides, the guy who blew the play up wasn't Ngata, it was Gregg. And a toss sweep is a terrible call when you have a 10 man front because there is nowhere for the RB to go. There is no illusion or threat of a pass there.

The right call was to pound it up Waters' ass using Asamoah or Smith as a lead blocker.

the Talking Can
01-10-2011, 05:32 PM
I don't know if this has been mentioned but that was Jon McGraw all day. I don't think the Ravens have one of those positions on their defense - whatever position it is that he plays.

heh...true enough...


and DJ got humiliated by Rice all day

Short Leash Hootie
01-10-2011, 05:35 PM
I didn't say cassel audibled the play...just may have flipped it from a run left to a run right because the ravens overloaded the left side of the field and the right looked open...I was highly critical of the game plan but this was the one thing that didn't piss me off...but hey hamas...no big deal you have all the answers...charles wasn't gaining 10 yards a pop on outside runs up until that point or anything...maybe pioli can read this thread and replace weis with you since you're such an offensive mastermind

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Phobia
01-10-2011, 05:36 PM
heh...true enough...


and DJ got humiliated by Rice all day

DJ had a couple of nice sticks but other than that he was bad all day. Bad angles, bad wrapping up, bad, bad, bad.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-10-2011, 05:40 PM
I didn't say cassel audibled the play...just may have flipped it from a run left to a run right because the ravens overloaded the left side of the field and the right looked open...I was highly critical of the game plan but this was the one thing that didn't piss me off...but hey hamas...no big deal you have all the answers...charles wasn't gaining 10 yards a pop on outside runs up until that point or anything...maybe pioli can read this thread and replace weis with you since you're such an offensive mastermind

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Because you should always run an outside play that takes three seconds to develop when the defense is selling out against the run.

You know why teams don't run toss sweeps on G2G from the one? Same reason. It's also far more complicated to flip a toss sweep than it is an off tackle play because of the pulling guards. We didn't have the same hesitation that would indicate such a check before the snap.

Pawnmower
01-10-2011, 05:43 PM
You are the guy that called Clark Hunt cheap n00b! Just which players would you have added from free agency this year?

If he was cheap would he have paid for Pioli, Haley, Wiess and Crennel, probably the most expensive staff in the NFL? After paying off Herm and Galey?

See it just don't wash call him cheap. Now, if after the CBA is done, and they are the lowest, then we have a problem.

Bold Part: Well, in terms of salary 2010, he was THE CHEAPEST. You really can't get cheaper than that , can you? I also do agree about the CBA...I fully fully expect his spending to increase after a new CBA is reached. That is what I was trying to say with my original post. I have also said it before , even months ago that I 100% have faith in him to open his wallet after this mess w/the CBA is over.

I agree 1000000% that the problem will be when the CBA is agreed on, and if we still are say in the bottom half of spending. I'd like to see us rise to about the middle....if we remain in the bottom I will feel like we have a problem.

I think you and I are pretty much in agreement from how I am reading it...I fully meant my comments to be directed at 'when the player VS owner problems are setteled.'

Short Leash Hootie
01-10-2011, 05:46 PM
Oh really? I saw the eagles run a toss sweep to mccoy on 4th and 1 against the giants (I think) in a pivotal part of the game that went for a 50 yard td...but no teams do that...except for those shitty chiefs with the best outside runner in the nfl...if there was any reason not to run that play it is because it was predictable...as I was begging for a toss left before they ran the play...in my opinion...it was a good call...and after it wasn't executed it was the last even debatablely good call of the game on offense or defense.

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jd1020
01-10-2011, 05:47 PM
Oh really? I saw the eagles run a toss sweep to mccoy on 4th and 1 against the giants (I think) in a pivotal part of the game that went for a 50 yard td...but no teams do that...except for those shitty chiefs with the best outside runner in the nfl...if there was any reason not to run that play it is because it was predictable...as I was begging for a toss left before they ran the play...in my opinion...it was a good call...and after it wasn't executed it was the last even debatablely good call of the game on offense or defense.

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Not even Todd Haley agrees with you.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-10-2011, 05:47 PM
G2G isn't 4th and 1, reading comp champ, and we don't exactly have Michael Vick as a pitch man, either.

Pawnmower
01-10-2011, 05:52 PM
I was begging for a toss left before they ran the play...

Awesome. Thats almost sig-worthy.

Short Leash Hootie
01-10-2011, 05:55 PM
Sure...put it in your sig. At least I can be real...if it worked and went for 6 it was a great call...if we call an inside run and get stuffed the same reactions would be going on around here..."why run inside against ngata with weigman at center" "the pitch was our bread and butter why not get charles in space" "why pass on 4th and 1" etc. etc.

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jd1020
01-10-2011, 05:56 PM
Nah. It would be more along the lines of "Why the hell didnt we kick a FG when we were only down by 3." Instead we called a pitch with a foot to go which leaves the door wide open for "If you were gonna go for it why the hell dont you run it up the gut?"

Short Leash Hootie
01-10-2011, 05:58 PM
Field goal wasn't an option...going for it was the correct call...I hope everyone can at least agree with that.

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Brock
01-10-2011, 05:59 PM
They weren't going to make that kick.

pr_capone
01-10-2011, 05:59 PM
Oh really? I saw the eagles run a toss sweep to mccoy on 4th and 1 against the giants (I think) in a pivotal part of the game that went for a 50 yard td...but no teams do that...except for those shitty chiefs with the best outside runner in the nfl...if there was any reason not to run that play it is because it was predictable...as I was begging for a toss left before they ran the play...in my opinion...it was a good call...and after it wasn't executed it was the last even debatablely good call of the game on offense or defense.

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Teams don't have to account for Cassel taking off on them like they do with Vick. Thinking that because the Eagles can get away with a playcall like that means we can too is ridiculous.

It was a horrid call with horrid execution.

Field goal wasn't an option...going for it was the correct call...I hope everyone can at least agree with that.

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Yes, I agree with you here.

jd1020
01-10-2011, 06:00 PM
They weren't going to make that kick.

We''l never know. Trying a kick would have been a better option than that "trick pitch."

Brock
01-10-2011, 06:01 PM
We''l never know. Trying a kick would have been a better option than that "trick pitch."

Not really. The end result would be the same.

Short Leash Hootie
01-10-2011, 06:01 PM
Uhm lol a toss sweep with vick at qb would be even more difficult to execute because of the fact the ends and backers have to keep their lanes to prevent a possible bootleg or roll out...but yeah yeah...we're the chiefs we're dumb we call dumber plays etc etc etc blah blah blah

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jd1020
01-10-2011, 06:02 PM
Not really. The end result would be the same.

Which is why it would have been a better option.

FAX
01-10-2011, 06:02 PM
Priest Holmes used to take the toss sweep into the endzone on goal to go ... on a fairly regular basis, too.

It's dependent upon how you've set up the defense, their alignment and tendencies, and (most of all) your own personnel, more than anything. All this "never, ever, ever" stuff is usually wrong ... in football, as it is in everything else.

It's just like what Grampa FAX used to say; "The only thing you can count on to never happen is Grandma playing Nude Twister in this house again."

FAX

Short Leash Hootie
01-10-2011, 06:03 PM
If the "trick pitch" went for 6 it would have been considered a great playcall by everyone...if an inside run gets stuffed the reactions would be the same as they are now...but blaming a trick pitch is easy for picketing fans...that's for sure

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Brock
01-10-2011, 06:04 PM
Which is why it would have been a better option.

There is no better when the end result is the same.

jd1020
01-10-2011, 06:04 PM
If the "trick pitch" went for 6 it would have been considered a great playcall by everyone...if an inside run gets stuffed the reactions would be the same as they are now...but blaming a trick pitch is easy for picketing fans...that's for sure

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If, if, if, if, if, if. Todd Haley says, "STFU! It was a terrible play call!"

Short Leash Hootie
01-10-2011, 06:05 PM
And please don't confuse my defense of that play as blind homerism...I have never left a game early and I was pissed at fans for staying and supporting that piece of shit effort/gameplan

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Brock
01-10-2011, 06:06 PM
If, if, if, if, if, if. Todd Haley says, "STFU! It was a terrible play call!"

Todd Haley would know, he's made plenty of them.

jd1020
01-10-2011, 06:06 PM
There is no better when the end result is the same.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the Chiefs were inside the 35 when this 4th and a foot happened in a 10-7 game. I'll take attempting a FG over a pitch resulting in a 5 yard loss any day.

DBOSHO
01-10-2011, 06:07 PM
There is no way you can justify running that play on 4th and a foot.

Brock
01-10-2011, 06:10 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the Chiefs were inside the 35 when this 4th and a foot happened in a 10-7 game. I'll take attempting a FG over a pitch resulting in a 5 yard loss any day.

That's a 52 yarder vs. putting the ball in your best players hands when they hadn't stopped him all day.

Short Leash Hootie
01-10-2011, 06:11 PM
Just like there would be no way to justify getting stuffed for a loss running inside into haloti ngata...this is a game always played by captain hindsight fans...doesn't matter what play is called if we don't pick it up its going to be the worst playcall ever according to our know-it-all fan base...unless mccluster dropped a pass or something that would have been the ultimate treat. If charles hadn't gotten 8 yards every pitch prior id agree most likely...you know what play irritated me more??? The 3rd and 2 run to thomas jones...he shoudlnt have played a snap.

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jd1020
01-10-2011, 06:14 PM
Just like there would be no way to justify getting stuffed for a loss running inside into haloti ngata...this is a game always played by captain hindsight fans...doesn't matter what play is called if we don't pick it up its going to be the worst playcall ever according to our know-it-all fan base...unless mccluster dropped a pass or something that would have been the ultimate treat. If charles hadn't gotten 8 yards every pitch prior id agree most likely...you know what play irritated me more??? The 3rd and 2 run to thomas jones...he shoudlnt have played a snap.

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I'm not playing any kind of hindsight game here. It was a terribly designed play that was headed in the wrong direction from the start.

DBOSHO
01-10-2011, 06:14 PM
Just like there would be no way to justify getting stuffed for a loss running inside into haloti ngata...this is a game always played by captain hindsight fans...doesn't matter what play is called if we don't pick it up its going to be the worst playcall ever according to our know-it-all fan base...unless mccluster dropped a pass or something that would have been the ultimate treat. If charles hadn't gotten 8 yards every pitch prior id agree most likely...you know what play irritated me more??? The 3rd and 2 run to thomas jones...he shoudlnt have played a snap.

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I definitely agree on the last sentence but if you cant hold off 1 man long enough to get 1 foot you need to GTFO. put shaun smith at fb and pound it in there.

kcfanXIII
01-10-2011, 06:16 PM
How many yards did the offense have? Less then 200. It was vital to control the clock, especially against a physical team like the ravens. The offense never once looked like it could control the clock. The results? the defense wore down. Oh, and FIVE turnovers. Don't put this on the defense.

Short Leash Hootie
01-10-2011, 06:18 PM
Defense gave up a 3rd and 12 in the 1st half that resulted in a td and a huge momentum shift...the defense and that pussy scheme can lick my fucking nuts.

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BigMeatballDave
01-10-2011, 06:31 PM
Defense gave up a 3rd and 12 in the 1st half that resulted in a td and a huge momentum shift...the defense and that pussy scheme can lick my fucking nuts.

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Blick
01-10-2011, 06:41 PM
I really don't understand why we couldn't make the adjustment on the same fucking route Heap kept running. It was like a glitch play in a video game.

Going for it on 4th down was definitely the right call. The play call was indeed awful. If it had been a regular toss sweep with the FB leading out there with Charles, that would have been fine. But, they tried to get cute.

Succup wasn't going to hit a FG from there. At halftime, he was missing a bunch at that end from only 40 yards.

Dave Lane
01-10-2011, 07:34 PM
610 just said Haley wanted to fire him 2 weeks ago scott told him no wow if this is true gonna get ugly around here

I'd have fired him the second he took another job. Its obvious the massive drop off in offensive production.

Dave Lane
01-10-2011, 07:35 PM
How many yards did the offense have? Less then 200. It was vital to control the clock, especially against a physical team like the ravens. The offense never once looked like it could control the clock. The results? the defense wore down. Oh, and FIVE turnovers. Don't put this on the defense.

No shit Sherlock. Not sure how the defense was supposed to keep going.

FAX
01-10-2011, 07:38 PM
610 just said Haley wanted to fire him 2 weeks ago scott told him no wow if this is true gonna get ugly around here

When will it all end?

Believing anything 610 says is very much like taking career advice from the chipmunk that lives under your front porch, man.

FAX

BigMeatballDave
01-10-2011, 07:45 PM
I'd have fired him the second he took another job. Its obvious the massive drop off in offensive production.Or, they were over matched by 2 very good Ds.

BigMeatballDave
01-10-2011, 07:47 PM
Some of you knee jerks need to stop listening to 610. Or at least stop posting their tripe.

Pioli Zombie
01-10-2011, 08:13 PM
Cassel choked worse than David Carradine.