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Nzoner
01-12-2011, 09:12 PM
out of the J-E-T-S this Sunday.

Hey Rex and gang when you finally sport some hardware,then run your mouth if you must.


Rex Ryan offers no apology for Cromartie's comments on Brady

cromartie_0112.jpgFOXBORO -- Jets coach Rex Ryan just finished his conference call with the New England media and offered no apologizes for his cornerback Antonio Cromartie, who in an interview with the New York Daily News used a crude slur to label Tom Brady.

"We're not apologizing for anything," said Ryan. "Did we vote to be the starting quarterback in the Pro Bowl? Yes we did. Did we vote him for the NFL Player of the Year? Yeah we did, so there's plenty of respect but we don't have to be all lovey dovey and say, 'Oh he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.' We have a right to our opinion and a comment like that, it's no big deal. A guy makes a comment, big deal."

Unlike Bill Belichick, who doesn't like his players giving bulletin board material to opposing teams, Ryan doesn't have a problem with it.

"In this country you're allowed to have opinions and all that kind of stuff," Ryan said. "Obviously as an organization we respect Tom Brady, there's no question about it. But hey, is there dislike between us and Brady, and Brady against the Jets? Of course there is. Am I going to punish Cromartie for saying something or whatever? No. I know one thing, we respect New England but we don't fear them. A comment like that, it just [shows] that they're the enemy."

In the Daily News article, Cromartie said that the Jets took exception when Brady threw a fourth-quarter touchdown and pointed to the Jets sidelines during the Patriots 45-3 win in Week 13.

"We see that a lot. He does that a lot," said Cromartie. "That's the kind of guy he is. We really don't give a damn, to tell you the truth."

Cromartie said that he "hates" both Brady and the Patriots.

"Everything is personal with me and the Patriots," said Cromartie, who was a rookie with San Diego when the Patriots overcame a 21-13 fourth-quarter deficit to beat the Chargers, 24-21, in the Divisional round of the playoffs in 2006. "So I really don't care. I don't have too much to say about them. I'm just ready to play ball on Sunday."

Cromartie also gave a little hint for Sunday's game plan on how to stop Brady and his receivers.

"If I beat the (expletive) out of his receivers, he can't throw the ball," Cromartie said.
When asked if that was indeed the Jets game plan, Ryan said that the Jets players didn't get the game plan until today.

Ryan is a trash-talking coach and his players follow his lead.

"I think maybe they do follow my lead in the fact that, you know what, we can say what's on our mind or whatever," said Ryan. "I don't say whatever we do don't say this or don't say that. We're a transparent organization. We let our guys speak and we don't try to tell them what to say and what not to say."

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[b]BRADY's RESPONSE...I love the last paragraph


Much like his coach, Patriots quarterback Tom Brady isn't about to get into a war of words with anyone on the Jets this week.

Brady spoke to the large media assembly at his locker this morning and was asked if he had any response to the obscenity-laced comments made about him by Jets cornerback Antonio Cromartie.

"I've been called worse," Brady said when informed that Cromartie called him an [expletive]. "I'm sure there's a long list of people that feel that way but he's a good player, [Darrelle] Revis is a great player. They've got a great secondary. They're one of the best defenses we face. We're going to spend a lot of time preparing for them.

"What they're capable of doing over there, shutting down the Colts offense like they did, was pretty impressive because we know how good that offense is, but we're going to get ready to play."

Brady was also asked about pointing at the sidelines after big plays and other so-called "antics" as described by Jets coach Rex Ryan earlier in the week.

"I'm an emotional player, so it's all in the spirit of the game and the competition," Brady said. "I don't know [if there's anything to Ryan's observations], he can probably answer that better than I could."

Brady was asked if it was a little more fun to face a team where there is strong dislike on both sides.

"Is it more fun? It's always more satisfying to win," Brady said. "Especially in games like this, not that you need more satisfaction to win in a game like this because it's the biggest game we played all season and I'm always satisfied when we win. I think there's certainly big games that we had against them. The last game at home was a very big game, that was very satisfying, so this one will be satisfying also if we win."

Regarding all the talk coming out of Jets camp this week, Brady wasn't fazed in the least.

"We're spending our time getting ready to play," Brady said. "I don't think we're spending our time figuring out what we can do to combat what people may say about us. Not everybody has great things to say about our team, or our organization, or certain players. And that's kind of the way it's always been so... we're just going to do our talking on the field. I think that's what we've always chosen to do."

Brady said the outcome of Sunday's game will determine if all the talk had any effect.

We'll see," he said. "We'll see on Sunday afternoon at 7:30 p.m. That's when everybody will be able to tell whether it played a role or not. We'll have to wait and see."

The Patriots quarterback was also asked about comments made earlier in the week by Ryan that questioned Brady's commitment to studying the game.

"I do what my coach asks me to do and however he feels I need to prepare, he'll let me know," Brady said. "We try to win games, you know? Look at what we've accomplished over 10 years and I think that speaks to the whole preparation of our team. That's why we play, we play to win games more so than anything else. You're not trying to do anything other than win. The goal of playing football is to win, every time you take the field, score more points than the other team, however you need to get that done, that's what you need to do..."

"We don't engage in it very often," Brady said about all the pregame talk. "Every once in a while maybe someone will say something, but for the most part our team has just stayed the course, spend our time preparing for the other team... We can sit here and say a whole bunch of things, too, but I think we realize it's really not the point of what this team's all about, what this organization's all about, all the way from the owner of our team, to the head coach of our team, and that trickles down to the players.

"Now other teams may have a different view or perspective of how they want to handle things. When you're representative of the organization like the Patriot team is, that's how we try to conduct ourselves."

LiveSteam
01-12-2011, 09:14 PM
Me to. I hope they run the J.E.T.S jets jets jets right out of Gillette stadium

tk13
01-12-2011, 09:15 PM
The Jets have been playing with fire all week, especially against a team that beat them by 40 points last time.

Frazod
01-12-2011, 09:15 PM
Fuck New England. Go Jets!

Nzoner
01-12-2011, 09:16 PM
The Jets have been playing with fire all week, especially against a team that beat them by 40 points last time.

and now Woody has been placed on IR

kysirsoze
01-12-2011, 09:17 PM
Meh. I think I'd rather the Jets beat a coach that blatantly cheats than the Pats beat a team that runs their mouth a little.

LiveSteam
01-12-2011, 09:17 PM
Woodhead is injured ?

DeezNutz
01-12-2011, 09:18 PM
I don't really care who wins, but I do like the fact that Ryan and Jets players actually say interesting things. Makes it more fun for fans. If I want to read cliches, I'll check out a NE or KC presser.

LiveSteam
01-12-2011, 09:18 PM
Meh. I think I'd rather the Jets beat a coach that blatantly cheats than the Pats beat a team that runs their mouth a little.

get over that shit. Cheating has zero to do with the Pats winning

Superturtle
01-12-2011, 09:18 PM
I really don't give a shit who wins. I just want to see the winners of the AFC East clash make it to the Superbowl.

Nzoner
01-12-2011, 09:19 PM
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Nzoner
01-12-2011, 09:21 PM
Woodhead is injured ?



Jets placed RT Damien Woody on injured reserve with a torn left Achilles' tendon, ending his season.
He'll undergo surgery Wednesday afternoon. Not only is it a monster blow to the Jets' playoff chances -- Woody is their best run blocker by a good margin -- Achilles' surgery at age 33 is never good news. Wayne Hunter will take over at right tackle, and it's a safe bet that Patriots coach Bill Belichick will work to exploit that downgrade this Sunday. Woody will return at a $3.35 million base salary in 2011, but his best days may be behind him. Jan. 12 - 2:24 pm et

LiveSteam
01-12-2011, 09:24 PM
Jets placed RT Damien Woody on injured reserve with a torn left Achilles' tendon, ending his season.
He'll undergo surgery Wednesday afternoon. Not only is it a monster blow to the Jets' playoff chances -- Woody is their best run blocker by a good margin -- Achilles' surgery at age 33 is never good news. Wayne Hunter will take over at right tackle, and it's a safe bet that Patriots coach Bill Belichick will work to exploit that downgrade this Sunday. Woody will return at a $3.35 million base salary in 2011, but his best days may be behind him. Jan. 12 - 2:24 pm et

Wheeeew! you scared me.

Bacon Cheeseburger
01-12-2011, 09:38 PM
Tom Brady strikes me as the type of guy who would spend his free time lounging around in women's underwear.

Dylan
01-12-2011, 09:40 PM
http://smilearchive.com/s/ups/unknown/sunshine.gif

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2009/10/11/sports/photos_stories/cropped/tom_brady--300x300.jpg

Nzoner
01-12-2011, 09:45 PM
Tom Brady strikes me as the type of guy who would spend his free time lounging around in women's underwear.

I have to admit if Gisele didn't mind... :D

http://img.listal.com/image/389033/600full-gisele-bundchen.jpg

KcMizzou
01-12-2011, 09:45 PM
I'm sick to death of hearing the Jets run their collective mouths.

I hope Brady puts 70 on them.

Dylan
01-12-2011, 09:53 PM
Tom Brady strikes me as the type of guy who would spend his free time lounging around in women's underwear.

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/motion/2010/1105/dm_101105_nfl_mayne_brady_beiber.jpg

LMAO

WebGem
01-12-2011, 09:55 PM
I hate the Jets as much as anyone here, but I really have a feeling they're gonna come to play on Sunday. It could be a close game. I know it might not be, but I also know it almost certainly will be nothing like the MNF game.

Sure-Oz
01-12-2011, 09:57 PM
I like seeing rex squirm, he talks way too damn much

Dylan
01-12-2011, 09:58 PM
Hilarious!

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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5767540

KcMizzou
01-12-2011, 10:04 PM
Hilarious!

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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5767540LMAO

More fuel for NZoner's fire. ZZ Top. :rockon:

DBOSHO
01-12-2011, 10:05 PM
"In the Daily News article, Cromartie said that the Jets took exception when Brady threw a fourth-quarter touchdown and pointed to the Jets sidelines during the Patriots 45-3 win in Week 13."

I guess the patriots shouldve took exception when braylon edwards was getting in their corners face and dancing after he caught a touchdown on them in week 2.

Guru
01-12-2011, 10:06 PM
This is one of those games I really don't give a shit who wins because I can't stand either team.

Baltimore vs Pitt is going to be epic though.

DBOSHO
01-12-2011, 10:07 PM
For someone who is so unafraid of the patriots, rex sure talks alot about not fearing them.

KcMizzou
01-12-2011, 10:08 PM
In the Daily News article, Cromartie said that the Jets took exception when Brady threw a fourth-quarter touchdown and pointed to the Jets sidelines during the Patriots 45-3 win in Week 13.
That shit happens when you tell the whole world you're going to "lead the league in wins" before a snap has been played.

If you're gonna talk that kinda game, and don't back it up... you'd better be prepared to have it thrown back in your face.

threebag02
01-12-2011, 10:11 PM
I hope the Pats keep running the score up.

Dylan
01-12-2011, 10:13 PM
http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/104337434.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF87892102A727B1636DE2E65B3FFEEE8F637107EB6F5C56C9268F03B2EE1EE40AE8AF04F06BF04B24B4128C

Oh well, looks like the Jets will have to fix Mark up with sportscaster Sara Carbonero http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/images/smilies/winker.gif

Fumblerooski
01-12-2011, 10:14 PM
For someone who is so unafraid of the patriots, rex sure talks alot about not fearing them.

This

kysirsoze
01-12-2011, 10:16 PM
get over that shit. Cheating has zero to do with the Pats winning

This is the last I'll say on it, but there is no way you can make that statement. If it had zero to do with it, they wouldn't have done it. I'm not saying it's why they won their SBs. Just saying they're cheaters.

ChiefsCountry
01-12-2011, 10:17 PM
Dirty is going to save Rex and Cromatire's big mouth again.

Boon
01-12-2011, 10:18 PM
Boon hopes for eleventy billion to zero.
Advantage Pats.

Ryan epitomizes sh1t.

mohammedhali
01-12-2011, 10:36 PM
when Brady says that their gonna spend a lot of time preparing for someone, that usually means an ass whooping is coming in the near future, and Belichick is just going to unload all over Rex's face. My prediction is that Brady embarrasses the Jets secondary, while the camera constantly pans over to Rex's face and looks like...

Bill Parcells
01-12-2011, 10:57 PM
Lets look at the facts here. Rex brings up Bradys wife before the last game they played and was talking shit about the Pats and mumbles. the Pats ream the Jets ass out on national tv and now the Jets are crying about the Pats showing them up in that game? they are becoming very difficult to root for.

KcMizzou
01-12-2011, 11:02 PM
Lets look at the facts here. Rex brings up Bradys wife before the last game they played and was talking shit about the Pats and mumbles. the Pats ream the Jets ass out on national tv and now the Jets are crying about the Pats showing them up in that game? they are becoming very difficult to root for.Man, I loved it at first. But it's starting to wear thin... You're much closer to the situation, so I suppose it's amplified.

Bill Parcells
01-12-2011, 11:08 PM
Man, I loved it at first. But it's starting to wear thin... You're much closer to the situation, so I suppose it's amplified.

Dude, I just watch the games now. it's so fucking old this shit. I wasnt a fan of hard knocks either.

I will say this though. if Rex wins a super bowl all is forgiven.. lol

KcMizzou
01-12-2011, 11:10 PM
Dude, I just watch the games now. it's so ****ing old this shit. I wasnt a fan of hard knocks either.

I will say this though. if Rex wins a super bowl all is forgiven.. lolOf course...lol

DaneMcCloud
01-12-2011, 11:11 PM
j-e-t-s

Bill Parcells
01-12-2011, 11:12 PM
Tom Brady strikes me as the type of guy who would spend his free time lounging around in women's underwear.

He's a crybaby too!

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DBOSHO
01-12-2011, 11:13 PM
I see something like a 31-14 win. Not an extreme blowout but enough to shut ryan up for an offseason.

KcMizzou
01-12-2011, 11:15 PM
I see something like a 31-14 win. Not an extreme blowout but enough to shut ryan up for an offseason.I'm not sure that's possible.

FAX
01-12-2011, 11:23 PM
I'm not sure that's possible.

ROFL

He's unshuttupable.

The good thing about all this is that it helps make the game more interesting. I was just about to stop watching football altogether, but I think I'll dial this one up just to see Rex order his squad to take a team leak on the Pats logo.

FAX

Guru
01-12-2011, 11:28 PM
ROFL

He's unshuttupable.

The good thing about all this is that it helps make the game more interesting. I was just about to stop watching football altogether, but I think I'll dial this one up just to see Rex order his squad to take a team leak on the Pats logo.

FAXEven after the Chiefs season ends every year. I just can't stay away from watching the other games. I love the NFL.

Dylan
01-12-2011, 11:28 PM
We all know the history between Bill Belichick and his opponents. The general sports rule is you don't disrespect your opponent. Unfortunately, their history makes for an interesting story when Belichick is given the opportunity to openly disrespect the opposing head coach by turning logic on its head.

Belichick thrives on embarrassing teams. Also, it's important to point out how he humiliated Joe Gibbs a Hall of Fame coach when he was down on his luck by running up the score 52-3 and going for it on 4 & inches.

How else can you explain Belichick when he disrespects the entire NFL. It's football, not Armaggedon.

I hope the Jets bust them in the mouth.



...and to all a good night.

Bacon Cheeseburger
01-12-2011, 11:32 PM
He's a crybaby too!

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Yes he is. I can't remember what game it was, but sometime last year he got sacked, whined and cried to the ref for a flag and then pumped his fist when he finally got it. And then him trying to outrun Suzy Kolber for a postgame interview was a complete bitch move too. Fuck that guy, I wish Pollard would've ended his career.

KcMizzou
01-12-2011, 11:32 PM
Even after the Chiefs season ends every year. I just can't stay away from watching the other games. I love the NFL.Yep. Same here.

Bacon Cheeseburger
01-12-2011, 11:33 PM
Even after the Chiefs season ends every year. I just can't stay away from watching the other games. I love the NFL.
Same here, when there's that few games left, you need to relish every minute of them.

FAX
01-12-2011, 11:33 PM
Even after the Chiefs season ends every year. I just can't stay away from watching the other games. I love the NFL.

After we lose our final game, I just get disgusted for awhile. The games just don't seem to have the same appeal, for some reason.

I watch a couple, of course. And the Super Bowl. But, I don't have strong feelings one way or the other about the teams or really care who wins.

FAX

Bacon Cheeseburger
01-12-2011, 11:35 PM
After we lose our final game, I just get disgusted for awhile. The games just don't seem to have the same appeal, for some reason.

I watch a couple, of course. And the Super Bowl. But, I don't have strong feelings one way or the other about the teams or really care who wins.

FAX
As far as I'm concerned, that's the beauty of them. I can simply enjoy watching them without all the stress and emotion swings involved with a Chiefs game.

Guru
01-12-2011, 11:36 PM
After we lose our final game, I just get disgusted for awhile. The games just don't seem to have the same appeal, for some reason.

I watch a couple, of course. And the Super Bowl. But, I don't have strong feelings one way or the other about the teams or really care who wins.

FAXIt is really odd for me this year. I should be pissed about the last two games but I am actually already over it. Deep down I think we all knew it was a tall order to go anywhere in the playoffs this year and that makes it easier for me to deal with it.

I hated knowing the season was over by week 8 much more.

Dylan
01-12-2011, 11:42 PM
when Brady says that their gonna spend a lot of time preparing for someone, that usually means an ass whooping is coming in the near future, and Belichick is just going to unload all over Rex's face. My prediction is that Brady embarrasses the Jets secondary, while the camera constantly pans over to Rex's face and looks like...

Yes, I remember them saying that before. :D

FAX
01-12-2011, 11:42 PM
That's a good point about the emotional involvement. I hadn't really looked at it that way, I guess.

I don't know ... I'm a big homer, I suppose. I hold out hope each year that lightning will strike and we'll become the Cinderella story of the season. Then, when it's all over I just feel depleted and disgusted for awhile ... to the point I just want to cram a football up some hobo's ass.

FAX

big nasty kcnut
01-13-2011, 04:32 AM
You know i do like the trash talking cause let face it. The nfl could use a little more fun. Roger Goodell making the league into a bunch of pussy. I miss the old days of hard hits and cool dances in the end zone. Also to note before all these rules to help slow down injuries now before they were not injury prone in the 90's 80's 70's 60's or 50's cause god forbid you might lose a few talent for the year. That when you can see who will step up and win some games for you.

blaise
01-13-2011, 04:39 AM
The Jets crying about someone else talking is rich.

JD10367
01-13-2011, 05:16 AM
Belichick thrives on embarrassing teams. Also, it's important to point out how he humiliated Joe Gibbs a Hall of Fame coach when he was down on his luck by running up the score 52-3 and going for it on 4 & inches.

How else can you explain Belichick when he disrespects the entire NFL. It's football, not Armaggedon.

I hope the Jets bust them in the mouth.

...and to all a good night.

Oh, will you shut the fuck up. I am so fucking sick and tired of people whining about "running up the score". In the first place, it's their job to stop you. If your team sucks so bad, that's not the other team's fault. Second, going for it on 4th down is not running up the score. Belichick does this routinely, because he feels it's more sportsmanlike to give them a chance to take the ball on downs than it is to do something pussy like kick a FG and get 3 more points. Again, it's not his fault if you can't stop them on 4th down. Fucking pussy-ass whiny-bitch league the NFL has turned into, along with its fans. "Waah, waaah, he's mean, he's running up the score!" You think Lombardi would say, "Oh, we don't want to score any more points, we might hurt their widdle feewings!" Anyone remember the Houston game where they came back from, like, 84 points down? No lead is safe in today's NFL, with the scoring potential of the passing games. Just this season there were a handful of Patriots games where they took their foot off the gas in the 4th quarter and the other team came back to make it too close for comfort. Fuck that shit. To quote a great genius, "You play to win the game."

Besides, who doesn't like an ass-kicking when you're doing the kicking or like who's doing the kicking? :D Trust me, if the Chiefs ever get good enough to the point where they can routinely hang 50 on the Broncos, Raiders, or Chargers, you'll be screaming at the TV for them to score more touchdowns even when they're up by 31 points in the 4th. LMAO

JD10367
01-13-2011, 05:19 AM
Yes he is. I can't remember what game it was, but sometime last year he got sacked, whined and cried to the ref for a flag and then pumped his fist when he finally got it. And then him trying to outrun Suzy Kolber for a postgame interview was a complete bitch move too. **** that guy, I wish Pollard would've ended his career.

And I wish you'd choke on an AIDS-filled penis.

Oh, BTW, take a look at the Great Gazoo Peyton Manning. You want to see someone who whines to the refs like a bitch? Every fucking play that doesn't go his way, he throws his hands up in the air and gives them Peyton Face.

Bill Parcells
01-13-2011, 05:55 AM
Oh, will you shut the **** up. I am so ****ing sick and tired of people whining about "running up the score". In the first place, it's their job to stop you. If your team sucks so bad, that's not the other team's fault. Second, going for it on 4th down is not running up the score. Belichick does this routinely, because he feels it's more sportsmanlike to give them a chance to take the ball on downs than it is to do something pussy like kick a FG and get 3 more points. Again, it's not his fault if you can't stop them on 4th down. ****ing pussy-ass whiny-bitch league the NFL has turned into, along with its fans. "Waah, waaah, he's mean, he's running up the score!" You think Lombardi would say, "Oh, we don't want to score any more points, we might hurt their widdle feewings!" Anyone remember the Houston game where they came back from, like, 84 points down? No lead is safe in today's NFL, with the scoring potential of the passing games. Just this season there were a handful of Patriots games where they took their foot off the gas in the 4th quarter and the other team came back to make it too close for comfort. **** that shit. To quote a great genius, "You play to win the game."

Besides, who doesn't like an ass-kicking when you're doing the kicking or like who's doing the kicking? :D Trust me, if the Chiefs ever get good enough to the point where they can routinely hang 50 on the Broncos, Raiders, or Chargers, you'll be screaming at the TV for them to score more touchdowns even when they're up by 31 points in the 4th. LMAO
She's not a Chiefs fan. She's a Giants fan. the Giants beat the Patriots in the super bowl 4 years ago as huge underdogs when the infamous red hoody was revealed, remember that? I remember that.

JD10367
01-13-2011, 06:04 AM
She's not a Chiefs fan. She's a Giants fan

What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

the Giants beat the Patriots in the super bowl 4 years ago as huge underdogs when the infamous red hoody was revealed, remember that? I remember that.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Is that your comeback, to try to rub the 2007 SB in my face because I'm a Patriots fan? Instead of maybe having an actual opinion about whether or not teams do or should "run up the score"? Go fuck yourself with a rusty sword, douchenozzle.

Marcellus
01-13-2011, 06:09 AM
The JETS are S-C-R-E-W-E-D. And a will laugh the whole time.

OMG Brady pointed at our sideline after throwing a TD. Oh Noes.

Bill Parcells
01-13-2011, 06:09 AM
What the **** does that have to do with anything?



What the **** does that have to do with anything? Is that your comeback, to try to rub the 2007 SB in my face because I'm a Patriots fan? Instead of maybe having an actual opinion about whether or not teams do or should "run up the score"? Go **** yourself with a rusty sword, douchenozzle.

Besides, who doesn't like an ass-kicking when you're doing the kicking or like who's doing the kicking? Trust me, if the Chiefs ever get good enough to the point where they can routinely hang 50 on the Broncos, Raiders, or Chargers, you'll be screaming at the TV for them to score more touchdowns even when they're up by 31 points in the 4th.

ROFL

A lil touchy and sensitive about your precious Patriots? need an ice pack for that bruised and bleeding vagina? why dont you suck my dick and stop breathing.

You brought up the Chiefs and shes a Giants fan.

Bill Parcells
01-13-2011, 06:11 AM
JD, I like you dude. I think you're a funny poster. but you are acting like a 12 year old in this thread..lol..I mean seriously. no wonder nobody goes over to that shithole PP anymore.

blaise
01-13-2011, 06:14 AM
And I wish you'd choke on an AIDS-filled penis.

Oh, BTW, take a look at the Great Gazoo Peyton Manning. You want to see someone who whines to the refs like a bitch? Every ****ing play that doesn't go his way, he throws his hands up in the air and gives them Peyton Face.

Come on dude, are you denying that Brady cries for a flag when he's hit? He does it all the time. He's a great QB, and I hope the Pats beat the Jets but Brady definitely campaigns for flags a lot.

BigRichard
01-13-2011, 06:17 AM
ROFL

He's unshuttupable.

The good thing about all this is that it helps make the game more interesting. I was just about to stop watching football altogether, but I think I'll dial this one up just to see Rex order his squad to take a team leak on the Pats logo.

FAX

What happens when an unshuttupable fatass comes into contact with a Belichikian force? Does a large wormhole open up in Gillette Stadium? Does the world suddenly implode? :hmmm:

Bill Parcells
01-13-2011, 06:18 AM
JD with a complete meltdown in this thread ROFL this might get real fun!

Hey, can you neg rep me again for bruising your sensitive vagina?

Deberg_1990
01-13-2011, 06:21 AM
Rex is nearly a carbon copy of his dad with the Eagles 20 years ago. He used to spout the same rhetoric as well and never won any hardware to back it up.

Bane
01-13-2011, 06:26 AM
I really didn't have a dog in this fight at first but after seeing SuckMarte mumble some kinda of gravel mouthed bullshit that I really didn't understand (had to get on espn.com to find out wtf he said),my views have changed.I hope the Pats hang 50 on them and rub the Jets vagina's in it all day long and make them look like the frauds they are.

Bill Parcells
01-13-2011, 06:34 AM
I really didn't have a dog in this fight at first but after seeing SuckMarte mumble some kinda of gravel mouthed bullshit that I really didn't understand (had to get on espn.com to find out wtf he said),my views have changed.I hope the Pats hang 50 on them and rub the Jets vagina's in it all day long and make them look like the frauds they are.

It's a good thing Im not JD or I would be going hysterical right now pounding my keyboard and hoping you would die in a fire over those comments. ROFL

Like I said earlier in this thread, the Jets talked shit about Bradys wife leading up to that last game. they got their asses kicked and are now crying about getting their asses kicked? :spock: I personally hate all the shit talking and wish they would just stfu. but Im not sure thats ever gonna happen.

Spott
01-13-2011, 06:38 AM
The Pats are probably going to beat them by a few touchdowns, but if probably won't stop Ryan from talking. If 45-3 didn't shut him up, I doubt any other losses will.

Amnorix
01-13-2011, 06:43 AM
This is the last I'll say on it, but there is no way you can make that statement. If it had zero to do with it, they wouldn't have done it. I'm not saying it's why they won their SBs. Just saying they're cheaters.

They violated a rule, were caught, and were punished. It was three years ago, and their winning percentage post-being-caught (under BB) is higher than it was pre-being-caught.

Feel free to hold it against them forever, that's fine, but if you think they were the only ones doing that kind of thing, you are certainly very much mistaken.

Amnorix
01-13-2011, 06:44 AM
Yes he is. I can't remember what game it was, but sometime last year he got sacked, whined and cried to the ref for a flag and then pumped his fist when he finally got it. And then him trying to outrun Suzy Kolber for a postgame interview was a complete bitch move too. Fuck that guy, I wish Pollard would've ended his career.

Stay classy my man. Stay classy.

Bill Parcells
01-13-2011, 06:46 AM
They violated a rule, were caught, and were punished. It was three years ago, and their winning percentage post-being-caught (under BB) is higher than it was pre-being-caught.

Feel free to hold it against them forever, that's fine, but if you think they were the only ones doing that kind of thing, you are certainly very much mistaken.

Look, you have to admit that there have not been any amazing 2nd half adjustments by mumbles since the cameras were taken away. and you can try and justify it all you want, but the bottom line is they havent won a super bowl since 2004. and had they still had cameras during that Giants super bowl and knew what plays were coming I doubt the Giants come back in that game.

Amnorix
01-13-2011, 06:52 AM
Look, you have to admit that there have not been any amazing 2nd half adjustments by mumbles since the cameras were taken away, and you can try and justify it all you want, but the bottom line is they havent won a super bowl since 2004. and had they still had cameras during that Giants super bowl and knew what plays were coming I doubt the Giants come back in that game.



This actually proves that you don't know what you're talking about.

1. The filming of signals couldn't possibly be done, processed, analyzed and then fed back into BB to make analytical use of by halftime for use in the second half. It's just not feasible.

2. Didn't win a Super Bowl? Yeah, they just had an undefeated season and then lost a Super Bowl with some very lucky/fluky plays went against them. Which I have no problem with. Everyone can use some luck, and the Giants played completely out of their minds that game. They were the better team that day. But it's nto like the Patriots have really struggled since the start of 2007 when all this came out. Obviously that's not remotely true.

3. I don't remember the exact details of the game in terms of score changes, but it was neck and neck throughout and the Giants only came back from one score down at the end. Compare to, say, the AFCC game against the Colts, PRE-SPYGATE, when the Colts roared back in the 2nd half after being down 17 points or whatever at halftime to win.

You think you know what you're talking about, but you don't.

Bill Parcells
01-13-2011, 07:07 AM
This actually proves that you don't know what you're talking about.

1. The filming of signals couldn't possibly be done, processed, analyzed and then fed back into BB to make analytical use of by halftime for use in the second half. It's just not feasible.
Dude! they were filming the Rams walk through before the Super bowl in 2001. did you know that? it wasnt just the games they were video taping. and whats makes you think theyre gonna tip their hat on what they know in the first half anyways?

2. Didn't win a Super Bowl? Yeah, they just had an undefeated season and then lost a Super Bowl with some very lucky/fluky plays went against them. Which I have no problem with. Everyone can use some luck, and the Giants played completely out of their minds that game. They were the better team that day. But it's nto like the Patriots have really struggled since the start of 2007 when all this came out. Obviously that's not remotely true.

Please, their recent performances in big games have not been all that good. dont you think? Giants super bowl.the Ravens in the playoffs last year? that was unheard of before the cameras were taken away. I wont mension the Colts game because it was 2006.

3. I don't remember the exact details of the game in terms of score changes, but it was neck and neck throughout and the Giants only came back from one score down at the end. Compare to, say, the AFCC game against the Colts, PRE-SPYGATE, when the Colts roared back in the 2nd half after being down 17 points or whatever at halftime to win.

You think you know what you're talking about, but you don't.

You got me on the Colts game. that was the 2006 season. then what happened in that game? :evil:

Chiefnj2
01-13-2011, 07:11 AM
Rex is a smart guy.

Everyone is talking about him. What he said, what he justifies. That's exactly, 100% what he wants. Get the media attention on him, and not the players. Don't focus on the whopping they took a few weeks back and the possible cause of it. Don't focus on Sanchez being shaky in New England. Focus on him so his players get off easily.

He's playing the national media.

Amnorix
01-13-2011, 07:20 AM
Dude! they were filming the Rams walk through before the Super bowl in 2001. did you know that? it wasnt just the games they were video taping. and whats makes you think theyre gonna tip their hat on what they know in the first half anyways?

I love it!!

The Boston Herald sports writer who reported the New England Patriots (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nwe) taped a pre-Super Bowl walk-through by the St. Louis Rams (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=stl) in 2002 said he will regret the erroneous story for the rest of his life.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3398828

On Feb. 2, 2008, the Boston Herald reported that a member of the New England Patriots' video staff taped the St. Louis Rams' walk-through on the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. While the Boston Herald based its Feb. 2, 2008, report on sources that it believed to be credible, we now know that this report was false, and that no tape of the walk-through ever existed

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3395152

Please, their recent performances in big games have not been all that good. dont you think? Giants super bowl.the Ravens in the playoffs last year? that was unheard of before the cameras were taken away. I wont mension the Colts game because it was 2006.

So the 16 games they won to complete a perfect season, with pressure mounting, those weren't big games? The divisional round playoff game wasn't a big game in 2007? The AFC Championship Game in 2007 wasn't a big game? Oh, right, they WON those, so they weren't. It was helmet-catch by now-out-of-football David Tyree and Eli Manning escaping by the skin of his teeth from a fourth down sack -- they lost that so that's a big game. The rest weren't.

The game on MNF when they blew the Jets doors out to seize absolutely control of the AFC East and the entire AFC, getting the #1 seed? That wasn't a big game either of course. Because, you know, they won that one.

2008. Brady's knee

2009. A deeply flawed team with a fair number of character issues. Hell, they went only 10-6 against a pretty soft schedule, and then got blown out at home. It just wasn't a very good team.

You got me on the Colts game. that was the 2006 season. then what happened in that game? :evil:

The Colts played better. :shrug:

You can't really upset me with this stuff. My father lived to be in his 70s and was a die hard sports fan, especially football and baseball. By the time the Red Sox and Patriots were winning Championships, he didn't know his own name, and died soon thereafter. I've lived to see multiple championships by every Boston sports team there is, except the Bruins who I don't care about anyway.

But you're clearly chock full of incorrect "facts". The Rams taping is like the icing on the cake to prove that.

Amnorix
01-13-2011, 07:22 AM
Rex is a smart guy.

Everyone is talking about him. What he said, what he justifies. That's exactly, 100% what he wants. Get the media attention on him, and not the players. Don't focus on the whopping they took a few weeks back and the possible cause of it. Don't focus on Sanchez being shaky in New England. Focus on him so his players get off easily.

He's playing the national media.

That might be, but it's too consistent over too long a period of time, I think.

I actually have no problems with the guy or his approach. Sure is refreshingly different. But if I'm a Jets fan, I worry that he keeps writing checks his team can't cash, which may haunt them.

It's hard enough in the NFL without putting a bulls-eye on your chest.

Bill Parcells
01-13-2011, 07:27 AM
I love it!!



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3398828



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3395152



So the 16 games they won to complete a perfect season, with pressure mounting, those weren't big games? The divisional round playoff game wasn't a big game in 2007? The AFC Championship Game in 2007 wasn't a big game? Oh, right, they WON those, so they weren't. It was helmet-catch by now-out-of-football David Tyree and Eli Manning escaping by the skin of his teeth from a fourth down sack -- they lost that so that's a big game. The rest weren't.

The game on MNF when they blew the Jets doors out to seize absolutely control of the AFC East and the entire AFC, getting the #1 seed? That wasn't a big game either of course. Because, you know, they won that one.

2008. Brady's knee

2009. A deeply flawed team with a fair number of character issues. Hell, they went only 10-6 against a pretty soft schedule, and then got blown out at home. It just wasn't a very good team.



The Colts played better. :shrug:

You can't really upset me with this stuff. My father lived to be in his 70s and was a die hard sports fan, especially football and baseball. By the time the Red Sox and Patriots were winning Championships, he didn't know his own name, and died soon thereafter. I've lived to see multiple championships by every Boston sports team there is, except the Bruins who I don't care about anyway.

But you're clearly chock full of incorrect "facts". The Rams taping is like the icing on the cake to prove that.

WOW..you got me on that one about the Rams.

Now heres a fact for you to chew on. why was all the evidence destroyed? ROFL hard to get facts when there's nothing to go by anymore, isnt it? the NFL was so embarrassed by this that they destroyed the evidence. wtf kind of shit is that?

And dude, I like you, Im just busting your chops. thats what I do here ;) and let me tell you something. my father was a ****ing die hard Rangers fan! he died in may of 1994. 2 weeks before those scumbags won the stanley cup. so I hear where you're coming from.

Bill Parcells
01-13-2011, 07:29 AM
That might be, but it's too consistent over too long a period of time, I think.

I actually have no problems with the guy or his approach. Sure is refreshingly different. But if I'm a Jets fan, I worry that he keeps writing checks his team can't cash, which may haunt them.

It's hard enough in the NFL without putting a bulls-eye on your chest.

He's gonna have to evolve his shtick. he cant keep doing this for forever. and I really dont like his approach anyways. he looks like a buffoon. like that press conf about his brother Rob. that was embarrassing.

Amnorix
01-13-2011, 07:32 AM
WOW..you got me on that one about the Rams.

Now heres a fact for you to chew on. why was all the evidence destroyed? ROFL hard to get facts when there's nothing to go by anymore, isnt it? the NFL was so embarrassed by this that they destroyed the evidence. wtf kind of shit is that?

And dude, I like you, Im just busting your chops. thats what I do here ;) and let me tell you something. my father was a fucking die hard Rangers fan! he died in may of 1994. 2 weeks before those scumbags won the stanley cup. so I here where you're coming from.

Yeah, sorry for your Dad. Just sucks that someone who was so passionate about something couldn't live to see what they wanted so badly come to pass.

The tape destroying -- the NFL did that, as you probably know. They wanted it done gone and never to be revisited, so that's what they did. Go tell Goodell if you don't like it. The Pats lost a 1st round pick out of that -- a guy who would be a third year player right now and probably contributing quite alot to this team, so it's a price that has an ongoing effect for a long time.

Bacon Cheeseburger
01-13-2011, 07:34 AM
And I wish you'd choke on an AIDS-filled penis.

Oh, BTW, take a look at the Great Gazoo Peyton Manning. You want to see someone who whines to the refs like a bitch? Every fucking play that doesn't go his way, he throws his hands up in the air and gives them Peyton Face.
I've never once seen Peyton pump his fist after getting a flag nor have I ever seen him duck a postgame interview.

Dylan
01-13-2011, 07:37 AM
Hey, JD10367 & Amnorix:


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Amnorix
01-13-2011, 07:37 AM
He's gonna have to evolve his shtick. he cant keep doing this for forever. and I really dont like his approach anyways. he looks like a buffoon. like that press conf about his brother Rob. that was embarrassing.

Eh, he's being himself.

He's an excellent X's and O's guy, which is often overlooked in the focus on his personality and big mouth. I don't think being honest is bad, but I think proclaiming yourself the best team before a snap is made isn't a really great idea.

Easy 6
01-13-2011, 07:39 AM
For someone who is so unafraid of the patriots, rex sure talks alot about not fearing them.

Yep, he doth protest too much.

Chiefnj2
01-13-2011, 07:42 AM
That might be, but it's too consistent over too long a period of time, I think.

I actually have no problems with the guy or his approach. Sure is refreshingly different. But if I'm a Jets fan, I worry that he keeps writing checks his team can't cash, which may haunt them.

It's hard enough in the NFL without putting a bulls-eye on your chest.

He's taking the pressure off of the players, and putting it on himself. That's why the players love him.

His words don't make a damn bit of difference. Would Tom Brady or Belichick prepare any less of Rex flooded them with compliments?

BucEyedPea
01-13-2011, 07:43 AM
out of the J-E-T-S this Sunday.

Me too! :thumb:

Bill Parcells
01-13-2011, 07:44 AM
He's taking the pressure off of the players, and putting it on himself. That's why the players love him.

His words don't make a damn bit of difference. Would Tom Brady or Belichick prepare any less of Rex flooded them with compliments?

Then why is he letting Cromartie run his cock sucker?

I hear that all the time, and letting Cromartie talk AND back him for saying it makes no sense if thats the case.

Bill Parcells
01-13-2011, 07:46 AM
Me too! :thumb:

OH LOOK EVERYBODY! It's the Pats/Buccaneers fan. because everybody has 2 favorite teams in the NFL.

FAX
01-13-2011, 07:48 AM
Is this the Patriot Way? Making crazy, unfounded arguments about the Jets and the Giants and Spygate and stuff and calling your opponent's fans horrible names? If so, I like it.

FAX

Iowanian
01-13-2011, 07:53 AM
Ryan won't mind being DeFEETed on national TV.

"Coach, how did it feel to be defeated so badly tonight"
"that's a personal matter"

thecoffeeguy
01-13-2011, 07:53 AM
I hate them both.

KCUnited
01-13-2011, 07:56 AM
That Cromartie rant really put all the pressure and attention on Ryan.

Iowanian
01-13-2011, 08:00 AM
To punish the secondary for their comments, Ryan has asked the entire secondary to come to his home tonight and fill the primary and tertiary holes of his bride in a private workout.

Chiefnj2
01-13-2011, 08:09 AM
That Cromartie rant really put all the pressure and attention on Ryan.

It did. Because Ryan came out and defended the comments. Fine focus on dumb ass comments to the press rather than the beatings the Jets took at New England the last few times they played up there. Dumb ass comments won't affect the confidence of the players, 100 questions about the quality of play might.

KCUnited
01-13-2011, 08:19 AM
It did. Because Ryan came out and defended the comments. Fine focus on dumb ass comments to the press rather than the beatings the Jets took at New England the last few times they played up there. Dumb ass comments won't affect the confidence of the players, 100 questions about the quality of play might.

Ryan might be distracting the media, but I imagine its Cromartie's comments that are hanging in the NE locker room.

Chiefnj2
01-13-2011, 09:10 AM
Ryan might be distracting the media, but I imagine its Cromartie's comments that are hanging in the NE locker room.

Big deal. NE is going to show up and play and prepare no matter who says what.

Over-Head
01-13-2011, 09:14 AM
out of the J-E-T-S this Sunday.."
If there is a loving football god up there we wont be subjected to ANOTHER Pat's SB :banghead:

BucEyedPea
01-13-2011, 09:18 AM
If there is a loving football god up there we wont be subjected to ANOTHER Pat's SB :banghead:

The football god is a mean f'er!

Rausch
01-13-2011, 09:20 AM
If there is a loving football god up there we wont be subjected to ANOTHER Pat's SB :banghead:

The Steelers will take care of that next week...

Brock
01-13-2011, 09:21 AM
The Steelers will take care of that next week...

Pfft. :LOL:

Rausch
01-13-2011, 09:23 AM
Pfft. :LOL:

If the Seachickens can knock off the defending champs ANYTHING is possible...

Bill Parcells
01-13-2011, 09:28 AM
Big deal. NE is going to show up and play and prepare no matter who says what.

The Jets are playing with house money. they got owned in the last meeting. And there is A LOT of pressure on the Pats to win this game. I know Mumbles and Brady can handle it. but there are a lot of young guys on defense that are new to this. and their defense isnt all that great if they dont have a huge lead and are only playing the pass.

Over-Head
01-13-2011, 09:31 AM
Even after the Raiders season ends every year just after week 7. I just can't stay away from watching the other games. I love the NFL.THIS

Joe Seahawk
01-13-2011, 09:32 AM
If the Seachickens can knock off the defending champs ANYTHING is possible...

Saw this on a Sqaints board. :shake:

http://rollinsd.com/wp-content/uploads/seachickens.jpg

Over-Head
01-13-2011, 09:33 AM
The Steelers will take care of that next week...had the mom in law start a Novina last week ;)

Sweet Daddy Hate
01-13-2011, 09:35 AM
http://assets.espn.go.com/media/motion/2010/1105/dm_101105_nfl_mayne_brady_beiber.jpg

LMAO

Uh, yeah. Definitely GO Jets after THIS horseshit.

Chiefnj2
01-13-2011, 09:36 AM
The Jets are playing with house money. they got owned in the last meeting. And there is A LOT of pressure on the Pats to win this game. I know Mumbles and Brady can handle it. but there are a lot of young guys on defense that are new to this. and their defense isnt all that great if they dont have a huge lead and are only playing the pass.

I think the Pats are going to dismantle the Jets and win by 14+. I also think Rex is handling it all properly by focusing everything on him.

Sweet Daddy Hate
01-13-2011, 09:36 AM
Saw this on a Sqaints board. :shake:

http://rollinsd.com/wp-content/uploads/seachickens.jpg

LMAO

cardken
01-13-2011, 09:36 AM
as you all know I'm a Jets fan. But unless they can keep the score close till late in the game, this will be a turkey shoot for the Patriots. All season long if the Jets aren't any further back than one score going into the last three minutes they are finding ways to win. But Brady has been a surgeon this season and the Defense has gotten nothing but better since the Cleveland meltdown. So hoping for what is on paper a good game but they rarely pan out that way. But anyways Go J E T S! JETSJETSJETS!

Bill Parcells
01-13-2011, 09:43 AM
I think the Pats are going to dismantle the Jets and win by 14+. I also think Rex is handling it all properly by focusing everything on him.

If the Pats get out to an early lead it might even get ugly. if it's close (14 points or less) I like the Jets chances. they have to weather the storm in the beginning of the game. and they have to score at least 28 points to have a chance. if Sanchez plays like he did against the Colts they wont have a chance.

DBOSHO
01-13-2011, 09:58 AM
The Steelers will take care of that next week...

Lol the pats crushed the steelers on heinz field. I wouldnt get your hopes up.

Amnorix
01-13-2011, 09:59 AM
The Jets are playing with house money. they got owned in the last meeting. And there is A LOT of pressure on the Pats to win this game. I know Mumbles and Brady can handle it. but there are a lot of young guys on defense that are new to this. and their defense isnt all that great if they dont have a huge lead and are only playing the pass.

Pats defense isn't great at anything except generating turnovers, which is a pretty darn thing to be good at of course.

Oh, and red zone defense. They're good at that also.

But third down defense and just sheer yardage given up is pretty much cover your eyes awful.

Amnorix
01-13-2011, 10:02 AM
The Steelers will take care of that next week...

Dude, if there is ONE thing that has been true during the Brady/Belichick era, it's absolute ownership of the Steelers, especially in the playoffs. The two years the STeelers won it all -- no Pats to deal with in the playoffs. And I'm pretty sure they were thankful of that given the history...

To be honest, I'd much rather face the Steelers than the Ravens next week.

Bill Parcells
01-13-2011, 10:04 AM
Pats defense isn't great at anything except generating turnovers, which is a pretty darn thing to be good at of course.

Oh, and red zone defense. They're good at that also.

But third down defense and just sheer yardage given up is pretty much cover your eyes awful.

The Jets were able to run the ball on the Pats that Monday night until it got out of reach. and their running game sucked at the time. that was the best the o line has looked all season when they steam rolled the Colts in the 2nd half.

It sucks that we have to wait until fucking 4pm on Sunday for this one though..lol

Over-Head
01-13-2011, 10:05 AM
Lol the pats crushed the steelers on heinz field. I wouldnt get your hopes up. And we destroyed the Chiefs at home....your point?

jettio
01-13-2011, 10:18 AM
Cromartie is fast and a good cover corner and he helped the kicking game last week when Brad Smith was hurt, but he does not tackle, and a dude that plays soft like that ought to keep his mouth shut. It is not like he is going to hit anybody.

Jets add some entertainment value, but it will be interesting to see if the game is contested going into the second half.

boogblaster
01-13-2011, 10:33 AM
F .. da Pats ....

JD10367
01-13-2011, 10:58 AM
JD, I like you dude. I think you're a funny poster. but you are acting like a 12 year old in this thread..lol..I mean seriously. no wonder nobody goes over to that shithole PP anymore.

And I think you're a fucking ignoramus with the IQ of a cumstain. I addressed a comment about running up the score. You stuck your nose in with "Patriots lost to the Giants, ha ha!". So if the post said, "Brady isn't as good as Manning," and I said, "Brady's better than Manning," would your contribution be "Belichick is a cheaty-cheat!!1!"? You fucking tool.

And it's not about the '07 SB. I could give less of a shit. I freely admit it was one of the most humiliating losses in sports history. I think the Patriots choked like a hungry Rottweiler going after a guy wearing a steak suit. I think all Patriot-haters should revel and joy in that Super Bowl. But what really fucking annoys me is people with no debating skills who can't follow a two-post flow of thought. As witnessed by this post here, taking an uncalled-for shot at another website. Go suck a tailpipe.

Easy 6
01-13-2011, 11:03 AM
Saw this on a Sqaints board. :shake:

http://rollinsd.com/wp-content/uploads/seachickens.jpg

AHAHAHAAA... thats gotta the best hack job i've ever seen on a NFL team icon.

Bill Parcells
01-13-2011, 11:03 AM
And I think you're a ****ing ignoramus with the IQ of a cumstain. I addressed a comment about running up the score. You stuck your nose in with "Patriots lost to the Giants, ha ha!". So if the post said, "Brady isn't as good as Manning," and I said, "Brady's better than Manning," would your contribution be "Belichick is a cheaty-cheat!!1!"? You ****ing tool.

And it's not about the '07 SB. I could give less of a shit. I freely admit it was one of the most humiliating losses in sports history. I think the Patriots choked like a hungry Rottweiler going after a guy wearing a steak suit. I think all Patriot-haters should revel and joy in that Super Bowl. But what really ****ing annoys me is people with no debating skills who can't follow a two-post flow of thought. As witnessed by this post here, taking an uncalled-for shot at another website. Go suck a tailpipe.

OMG..are you really 12 years old with the infantile insults and fiber optic skin? you gonna cry because somebody brought up a super bowl loss? this may be the wrong place for you dude. you might want to go back where you can get your self fellatio over at PP with the other cum guzzlers.

Dude! you were talking to her like she was a Chiefs fan. shes a Giants fan and her team beat you guys in the super bowl. it wasnt a shot (but it sure did make you cry lol). but you sure do need to grow some thicker skin. your and idiot

JD10367
01-13-2011, 11:03 AM
Pats defense isn't great at anything except generating turnovers, which is a pretty darn thing to be good at of course.

Oh, and red zone defense. They're good at that also.

But third down defense and just sheer yardage given up is pretty much cover your eyes awful.

A lot of that came earlier in the year. The rookies have a full season under their belt and improved dramatically, not only on the scoreboard but in the stat sheet. I think CHFF had a blurb about the Patriots' opponents' QB rating, and how it was sky-high the first half of the season and much lower the second half of the season.

Besides, the Patriots' defense only sucks when they're facing a real quarterback. If they face Rapistberger in the AFCCG, I'm worried. If they face Rodgers and the Pack in the SB, I'm worried. The bottom-rated Sanchez, with a hurting O-line? Doesn't really inspire fear.

LiveSteam
01-13-2011, 11:08 AM
And I think you're a ****ing ignoramus with the IQ of a cumstain. I addressed a comment about running up the score. You stuck your nose in with "Patriots lost to the Giants, ha ha!". So if the post said, "Brady isn't as good as Manning," and I said, "Brady's better than Manning," would your contribution be "Belichick is a cheaty-cheat!!1!"? You ****ing tool.

And it's not about the '07 SB. I could give less of a shit. I freely admit it was one of the most humiliating losses in sports history. I think the Patriots choked like a hungry Rottweiler going after a guy wearing a steak suit. I think all Patriot-haters should revel and joy in that Super Bowl. But what really ****ing annoys me is people with no debating skills who can't follow a two-post flow of thought. As witnessed by this post here, taking an uncalled-for shot at another website. Go suck a tailpipe.

If the Patriots are 1/2 as fired up as you are right now. Im going to be very happy at the end of the game Sunday.
Pats 34
Jets 17

JD10367
01-13-2011, 11:09 AM
Cromartie is fast and a good cover corner and he helped the kicking game last week when Brad Smith was hurt, but he does not tackle, and a dude that plays soft like that ought to keep his mouth shut. It is not like he is going to hit anybody.

Jets add some entertainment value, but it will be interesting to see if the game is contested going into the second half.

The problem for the Jets is depth. The Patriots can literally throw any formation onto the field they want to try. They hit the Jets last time with Woodhead and Welker in the backfield. They can flank out Hernandez as a receiver, or have Gronkowski block and then go out for a pass. They can run the ball and, just for shits and giggles, they can throw to the running backs. If the Pats come out five-wide and their O-line pass-blocks well, which they almost always tend to do (aside from a few instances, like that fucking Giants SB), they'll be manning up a very capable pass-catcher against a nickel or dime back. Even if they lock Revis on one WR (either Branch or Welker), that leaves the other guy for Cromartie, and then they have to worry about Gronkowski, Hernandez, Woodhead, Tate, Edelman, a ball thrown to BJGE or Morris... I think there's just too much there for the Jets to defend.

The only way the Jets win this game is if:

1) Their O-line plays balls to the wall and they run the ball and control the TOP and keep Brady off the field, and

2) They somehow get pressure on the QB (which their D has done little off all season) and

3) They win the turnover battle (which the Pats haven't lost all season).

That's a lot of "if"s. Can it happen? Sure. Will this game be closer than the last blowout? More than likely. Will the Pats still win by 14-17? I think so.

JD10367
01-13-2011, 11:10 AM
Oh, yeah, and if the music dude running the AV at Gillette has any sense of humor, instead of "Thunderstruck" or "Crazy Train", as the Patriots take the field--led by Brady--he'll play Dennis Leary's "Asshole". LMAO

DBOSHO
01-13-2011, 11:16 AM
And we destroyed the Chiefs at home....your point?

Lol what is your point? The pats demoralized one of the best, toughest teams in the nfl on their home turf. Its not a guarantee, but i would bet on the patriots in that sutuation.

LiveSteam
01-13-2011, 11:19 AM
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mlyonsd
01-13-2011, 11:21 AM
I hope NE kicks the ever loving crap out of NY. I hope the pats leave Brady in and he breaks his own record for TD passes in one game.

I hope jesus gets sacked 182 times.

Halfcan
01-13-2011, 11:26 AM
Brady had a MVP season and I will be surprised if he does not get it.

I think the Pats maul them 49-14.

kysirsoze
01-13-2011, 11:38 AM
I've never once seen Peyton pump his fist after getting a flag nor have I ever seen him duck a postgame interview.

That's because he's way classier than Brady, or at least his public persona is.

DBOSHO
01-13-2011, 11:45 AM
Tom has too many things to do, like bang his supermodel wife while shining his superbowl rings to be at a press conference.

kysirsoze
01-13-2011, 11:46 AM
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This is actually something that made me like Brady a lot more. I love it when players take rivalries personally. And it is different than Cromartie who made a personal attack.

I don't really like either of these teams. And I'll admit that the cheating isn't the only reason I root against the Patriots, but also because they win so much. That goes for any team. Obviously the Chiefs cannot compare with the Pats or the Steelers when it comes to success as a franchise, but I hold out hope that someday they will. In order for that to happen, those teams have to STOP WINNING ALL THE TIME GODDAMMIT! :cuss:

It's not being a hater, it's just hoping that as a fan I can someday get a little ****ing bragging rights. Perhaps it's a fools hope.:)

kysirsoze
01-13-2011, 11:49 AM
Brady had a MVP season and I will be surprised if he does not get it.

I think the Pats maul them 49-14.

Actually I also really liked Brady saying the MVP award doesn't make sense and that it is further discredited because it's basically a QB award. Just generally I'm OK with Brady's off the field stuff, it's just his on field antics that are a hair less annoying than Rivers.

LiveSteam
01-13-2011, 11:56 AM
I dont care what he does on the field, as long as they win. My biggest worry for this game against the Jets,is the 1 week layoff. & they play out of rhythm ,make a bunch of bone head mistakes. ect.
Its the only way I see the jets winning this game.
& god forbid if Rex were ever to win a SuperBowl. REX will never shut up

JD10367
01-13-2011, 12:01 PM
That's because he's way classier than Brady, or at least his public persona is.

Yeah, when he's not sexually harassing female trainers.

Oh, BTW, Manning is the absolute master of the "throws up both hands and looks at the ref" move. He does it after every friggin' incomplete where he thinks one of his precious receivers got breathed heavy on. His Emperor Palpatine, a/k/a Bill Polian, has the Competition Committee in his pocket and gets the rules tweaked as much as possible to benefit the Melonhead (anyone remember the "Patriot Rule", so called because, right after a playoff loss to the Pats where the Colt WRs got manhandled, Polian got them to tweak the rules?). Between Polian and Manning, it's actually shocking that they've only managed to win one Super Bowl.

JD10367
01-13-2011, 12:10 PM
Tom has too many things to do, like bang his supermodel wife while shining his superbowl rings to be at a press conference.

Don't be ridiculous. He was getting his hair done. :D

Seriously... he seems like a nice guy, but he's definitely a Type A personality. He supposedly hates to lose, at ANYTHING, even a game of checkers in the locker room, and when he loses he gets really pissed off. I think it's probably that whole dual personality thing where he has both a giant ego and yet paradoxically huge feelings of inadequacy due to splitting time in college and being drafted late (which to this day he admits motivating him). You're talking about a guy who was on the Patriots' roster as the #4 QB who supposedly introduced himself to Kraft while walking by carrying a pizza and saying something like, "Drafting me is the best thing you ever did." In his weekly radio interviews he's like Belichick's Mini-Me: self-deprecating, almost never saying anything bad about another team or his teammates, and whenever they try to bait him into it he literally simply answers a different question (e.g. this week they asked if Cromartie's comments irritated him, and he responded with a bland paragraph summing up as "the Jets are a very good team"). And on the other hand, he scored a supermodel wife. :shrug: He might actually BE an asshole on occasion, but begging the refs for a flag every now and then probably doesn't qualify him as one.

Now, Belichick, on the other hand.... probably a GIANT asshole. LMAO

Amnorix
01-13-2011, 12:37 PM
The problem for the Jets is depth. The Patriots can literally throw any formation onto the field they want to try. They hit the Jets last time with Woodhead and Welker in the backfield. They can flank out Hernandez as a receiver, or have Gronkowski block and then go out for a pass. They can run the ball and, just for shits and giggles, they can throw to the running backs. If the Pats come out five-wide and their O-line pass-blocks well, which they almost always tend to do (aside from a few instances, like that fucking Giants SB), they'll be manning up a very capable pass-catcher against a nickel or dime back. Even if they lock Revis on one WR (either Branch or Welker), that leaves the other guy for Cromartie, and then they have to worry about Gronkowski, Hernandez, Woodhead, Tate, Edelman, a ball thrown to BJGE or Morris... I think there's just too much there for the Jets to defend.

I think that's an excellent point. Cromartie isn't half of what Revis is, and the drop off from Cromartie to the next guy is tremendous. Their ILBs can't match up with our TEs down the seams, and I think that puts them in a tremendous amount of trouble.

That's a lot of "if"s. Can it happen? Sure. Will this game be closer than the last blowout? More than likely. Will the Pats still win by 14-17? I think so.

That's what I see too, though don't forget the Jets special teams, which are very good.

but yeah, I think 31-17 or so is about right. Hard to figure how they score enough points to keep up with us. The 2010 Jets defense is NOT as good as the 2009 edition.

Short Leash Hootie
01-13-2011, 12:39 PM
it always depends on Sanchez...in the Pats case...if Brady is picking up 3rd downs they are impossible to beat.

But yeah...if Sanchez plays like he did against the Colts the Pats will win by 14+

He missed open throw after open throw after open throw and almost gave the vastly inferior Colts the game.

Amnorix
01-13-2011, 12:42 PM
That's because he's way classier than Brady, or at least his public persona is.

Like when he called out his O-Line.

Or pulls his patented Manning face all the time.

Spare me.

Short Leash Hootie
01-13-2011, 12:44 PM
Meh.

Manning was dealt a lousy hand.

They need to can that whole damn coaching staff...every single one of them. Start clean.

Short Leash Hootie
01-13-2011, 12:45 PM
Pats fans don't know how good they have it...and they should cherish the now and Belichick...because when he's gone it'll never be the same...no one can coach like that guy...he's amazing. He's always a step or two ahead of the curve.

Amnorix
01-13-2011, 12:46 PM
Now, Belichick, on the other hand.... probably a GIANT asshole. LMAO

Actually, with friends ranging from Jimmy Johnson (annual fishing excursions) to Bon Jovi, and rumors of a really great (though dry) sense of humor, I suspect Belichick is much cooler than any of us ever get to see on TV.

Which I could give a crap about anyway. JUST WIN GODDAMMIT. You can have the personality of a rock, JUST WIN. You can have the fashion sense of a rotting corpse, JUST WIN.

I saw enough great guys lose. Dick MacPherson is probably the genuinely nicest guy to walk a sidelines, but he sucked as a head coach.

DeezNutz
01-13-2011, 12:46 PM
If Manning wants to win another SB, he's going to have to get out of IND. That team will not be able to be restored to a SB winner in the highly-productive years that Manning has left.

Bacon Cheeseburger
01-13-2011, 12:48 PM
If Manning wants to win another SB, he's going to have to get out of IND. That team will not be able to be restored to a SB winner in the highly-productive years that Manning has left.
Bring him in for a look?

Short Leash Hootie
01-13-2011, 12:50 PM
If Manning wants to win another SB, he's going to have to get out of IND. That team will not be able to be restored to a SB winner in the highly-productive years that Manning has left.

they need to get rid of that outdated shitty fucking coaching staff...

Rex Ryan would have been a perfect coach for Peyton Manning...let Peyton and the Polians build that offense and then have Rex build up an actual defense that doesn't play that bend don't break cover 2 bullshit with undersized everyone that ends up keeping Peyton off the field the entire game.

It's shit football...the Jets would get 5 yards every time they ran the ball by default...it's happened to them all year...and every year of Peyton's career...

dude has had the least possessions in the NFL for seasons...some of that has to do with the fact he's known to have 9 or 10 minute drives...a lot of it also has to do with the fact his defense gives up those 9 or 10 minute drives as well.

Fuck the Tony Dungy tree...what an overrated, shitty, suckass coaching tree.

DeezNutz
01-13-2011, 12:50 PM
Bring him in for a look?

Heh.

If it could be limited to a single draft, I would probably pull a Ditka to make Manning a Chief. If I were the owner, I would damn near demand it. Imagine the revenue this single player would generate...

Amnorix
01-13-2011, 12:50 PM
Pats fans don't know how good they have it...and they should cherish the now and Belichick...because when he's gone it'll never be the same...no one can coach like that guy...he's amazing. He's always a step or two ahead of the curve.


You gotta be kidding me -- I know exactly how good we have it. I lived through 2-14 and 1-15 seasons and the biggest Super Bowl blowout loss in NFL history at the time.

Ben Dreith and Tony Eason. Victor Kiam and PenisGate (or whatever you want to call it). Irving Fryar and the kitchen knife incident. Ken Sims and being the "Patsies". Bill Parcells, buying groceries and the "we're playing in the Super Bowl, great, let me start negotiating with my team's rivals about jumping ship". Dick MacPherson and Ron Ehrhart and Rod Rust.

Marino/Shula and Kelly/Levy kicking our ass every year.

DON'T TELL ME I DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD I HAVE IT. I'VE GONE FROM THE OUTHOUSE TO THE PENTHOUSE, AND LIFE IS FUCKING SWEET!

keg in kc
01-13-2011, 12:51 PM
I usually go for the underdog, but I'm going to enjoy watching the Patriots plaster them.

Bill Parcells
01-13-2011, 12:53 PM
You gotta be kidding me -- I know exactly how good we have it. I lived through 2-14 and 1-15 seasons and the biggest Super Bowl blowout loss in NFL history at the time.

Ben Dreith and Tony Eason. Victor Kiam and PenisGate (or whatever you want to call it). Irving Fryar and the kitchen knife incident. Ken Sims and being the "Patsies". Bill Parcells, buying groceries and the "we're playing in the Super Bowl, great, let me start negotiating with my team's rivals about jumping ship". Dick MacPherson and Ron Ehrhart and Rod Rust.

Marino/Shula and Kelly/Levy kicking our ass every year.

DON'T TELL ME I DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD I HAVE IT. I'VE GONE FROM THE OUTHOUSE TO THE PENTHOUSE, AND LIFE IS ****ING SWEET!
Raymond Berry. you forgot him ;)

leave it to hootie to upset Amnorix..lol

DeezNutz
01-13-2011, 12:53 PM
You gotta be kidding me -- I know exactly how good we have it. I lived through 2-14 and 1-15 seasons and the biggest Super Bowl blowout loss in NFL history at the time.

Ben Dreith and Tony Eason. Victor Kiam and PenisGate (or whatever you want to call it). Irving Fryar and the kitchen knife incident. Ken Sims and being the "Patsies". Bill Parcells, buying groceries and the "we're playing in the Super Bowl, great, let me start negotiating with my team's rivals about jumping ship". Dick MacPherson and Ron Ehrhart and Rod Rust.

Marino/Shula and Kelly/Levy kicking our ass every year.

DON'T TELL ME I DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD I HAVE IT. I'VE GONE FROM THE OUTHOUSE TO THE PENTHOUSE, AND LIFE IS ****ING SWEET!

LMAO. Yeah, not everyone is twenty-five.

Amnorix
01-13-2011, 12:55 PM
Raymond Berry. you forgot him ;)

leave it to hootie to upset Amnorix..lol

Almost nothing here upsets me, to be honest, but this one was irritating.

Don't frigging tell me I don't appreciate how good it is. You gotta be old enough to remember just how f'n BAD it was to know how good you have it.

LiveSteam
01-13-2011, 12:57 PM
Pats fans don't know how good they have it...and they should cherish the now and Belichick...because when he's gone it'll never be the same...no one can coach like that guy...he's amazing. He's always a step or two ahead of the curve.

I have been a Pats fan since I was 6 years old = 1975
I do know how lucky we are. The Pats sucked ass for many years. Ya there were some good years with Steve Grougun ,Eisen at Q/B & Spidyman ,Fryer at wide out.
But never did I see the DYNASTY thing happening.
God the ass kicking I took in grade school wearing my Pats winter coat.
Every kid wore either a Stealer or a cowboys coat back then.
I stuck out like a sore thumb in late 70s.

DeezNutz
01-13-2011, 12:57 PM
I miss the gold-old days of Boston sucking shit in most major sports, or being just good enough to rip fans' fucking hearts out, which I'll term "KC style," since that's how we roll here.

Amnorix
01-13-2011, 12:57 PM
Raymond Berry. you forgot him ;)

leave it to hootie to upset Amnorix..lol

Ray Berry was a perfectly ok coach, and did soem good stuff for us, including Squish the Fish and all that. Can't lump him in with the coaching turds that I named. Those guys just flat sucked.

Hell, Berry would've had a good year in '87 too if we hadn't lost three defensive starters, all above-average guys, in the preseason.

Short Leash Hootie
01-13-2011, 12:58 PM
Almost nothing here upsets me, to be honest, but this one was irritating.

Don't frigging tell me I don't appreciate how good it is. You gotta be old enough to remember just how f'n BAD it was to know how good you have it.

oh I know you had it bad...what I really meant was...

I'd be almost kind of sad to be a Pats fan...because the end is closer than the beginning...and when it ends it'll never be the same.

You'll be starting threads telling us "we don't know how bad it is" like good ol' Rams Fan who's team won a Super Bowl a decade ago...

At least the Broncos fans are still living it up from their back to back titles.

Bill Parcells
01-13-2011, 12:59 PM
Ray Berry was a perfectly ok coach, and did soem good stuff for us, including Squish the Fish and all that. Can't lump him in with the coaching turds that I named. Those guys just flat sucked.

Hell, Berry would've had a good year in '87 too if we hadn't lost three defensive starters, all above-average guys, in the preseason.

That was a strike year too. they had a really good team back then. you just didnt know who would be the qb. eason or grogan.

keg in kc
01-13-2011, 01:01 PM
I miss the gold-old days of Boston sucking shit in most major sports, or being just good enough to rip fans' ****ing hearts out, which I'll term "KC style," since that's how we roll here.I'm thinking back over the last 13 years (my tenure in town) and I can't think of a single team that's been good enough to rip anybody's heart out. Royals, Chiefs, it's all been a steady drone of suck.

I think the Chiefs will be there next year, though.

Amnorix
01-13-2011, 01:25 PM
I have been a Pats fan since I was 6 years old = 1975
I do know how lucky we are. The Pats sucked ass for many years. Ya there were some good years with Steve Grougun ,Eisen at Q/B & Spidyman ,Fryer at wide out.
But never did I see the DYNASTY thing happening.
God the ass kicking I took in grade school wearing my Pats winter coat.
Every kid wore either a Stealer or a cowboys coat back then.
I stuck out like a sore thumb in late 70s.

Not sure where you were, but I grew up near Boston, mostly nobody wore any football gear. Football was waaay behind baseball and hockey in this town in terms of popularity.

Amazing that football is now equal to baseball, at least.

Amnorix
01-13-2011, 01:26 PM
oh I know you had it bad...what I really meant was...

I'd be almost kind of sad to be a Pats fan...because the end is closer than the beginning...and when it ends it'll never be the same.

You'll be starting threads telling us "we don't know how bad it is" like good ol' Rams Fan who's team won a Super Bowl a decade ago...

At least the Broncos fans are still living it up from their back to back titles.


errrr....no. 'tis far better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.

FAR BETTER.

Let me analogize -- you could have 10 years of Megan Fox [or whoever] however and whenever you want her, but you know she isn't forever, and then you will have to wait and see if another girl comes along for you.

Or you could die a virgin.

Choose one.

Yeah, that's frigging tough...

DeezNutz
01-13-2011, 01:28 PM
I'm thinking back over the last 13 years (my tenure in town) and I can't think of a single team that's been good enough to rip anybody's heart out. Royals, Chiefs, it's all been a steady drone of suck.

I think the Chiefs will be there next year, though.

'95 and '97 Chiefs.

Grunhard tells the story that many on the '95 team were literally making SB preparations. In '97, a lot of analysts said that the two best teams in the NFL (us and the cheating ****ing Donks) met in the divisional round.

JD10367
01-13-2011, 01:34 PM
Actually, with friends ranging from Jimmy Johnson (annual fishing excursions) to Bon Jovi, and rumors of a really great (though dry) sense of humor, I suspect Belichick is much cooler than any of us ever get to see on TV.

Oh, I think Belichick's way cool. But you can be cool and still be an asshole. :D And using Jimmy Johnson as a character reference is probably not the best example, LOL.

As you said, nothing wrong with being an asshole. Some of the most successful people in their fields have been assholes. Politics, Hollywood, sports, music, whatever.

-King-
01-13-2011, 01:36 PM
Wes Welker likes his “foot” metaphors
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 13, 2011, 3:23 PM EST
Wes Welker, Carson Butler

Just when you think the chatter between the Patriots and Jets couldn’t get sillier, Patriots wide receiver Wes Welker stepped to the podium Thursday as if dared to see how many “foot” references he could cram in to a single media session. Behold:

1. On this week of preparation: “Everybody’s putting their best foot forward.”

2. On young players in the playoffs: “You can’t just stick your toe in the water. You gotta jump right in.”

3. On playing this year as opposed to last year: “It’s definitely different. You know, you’ve got your foot up in the air trying to get the swelling to go down. Definitely excited about the opportunity to get out there and have some fun.”

4. On the opportunity this week: “These are the games you play for. What you spend all year getting ready for and you just want to put your best foot forward.”

5. On Revis: “He’s got great feet.”

6. On Revis again: “He’s very patient, has good feet.”

7. On Deion Branch: “He runs some really good routes out there . . . He’s another guy with great feet and can really move around.”

8. On practice: “You want to make sure you’re putting your best foot forward out there and making it happen.”

9. More on practice: “Us going out there and being good little foot soliders and making sure we’re going out there and doing everything coach asks us to do.”

10. On seeing new things in the playoffs: “You definitely have to be on your and make sure you’re ready to go.”

Genius. Since this is clearly the most important post I’ll ever write at PFT, let’s analyze further.

Welker is deadpan as ever with his delivery, so there’s no way he can really be called out for it. A few clues indicate that it’s not just a coincidence. Jackie McMullen of ESPNBoston.com wrote a great feature on Welker. Part of it is about what a huge prankster he is.

“Put Wes, Matt [Cassel] and Larry Izzo in a room, and they are ‘The Three Stooges,’” Tom Brady said.

Welker got his first “foot” reference in on his first question and rarely let up in his ten minutes of talking. He also appears to be stifling a smile and/or laugh after his two most ridiculous references — No. 2 and No. 9.

Maybe it’s all a coincidence, but we really doubt it. And that would be no fun. We’ll continue to update you on this vitally important breaking story here at PFT.


ROFL ROFL ROFL God bless you Wes Welker.

Amnorix
01-13-2011, 01:41 PM
ROFL ROFL ROFL God bless you Wes Welker.


Just another reason to love Wes. ROFL

JD10367
01-13-2011, 01:46 PM
You gotta be kidding me -- I know exactly how good we have it. I lived through 2-14 and 1-15 seasons and the biggest Super Bowl blowout loss in NFL history at the time.

Ben Dreith and Tony Eason. Victor Kiam and PenisGate (or whatever you want to call it). Irving Fryar and the kitchen knife incident. Ken Sims and being the "Patsies". Bill Parcells, buying groceries and the "we're playing in the Super Bowl, great, let me start negotiating with my team's rivals about jumping ship". Dick MacPherson and Ron Ehrhart and Rod Rust.

Marino/Shula and Kelly/Levy kicking our ass every year.

DON'T TELL ME I DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD I HAVE IT. I'VE GONE FROM THE OUTHOUSE TO THE PENTHOUSE, AND LIFE IS ****ING SWEET!

I have a feeling you and I (and LiveSteam) are around the same age. I find it funny that people who say "Patriots fans don't know how good they have it" probably don't themselves remember how bad the Patriots used to be, or all those incidents you mentioned. Zeke Mowatt waving "Little Zeke" at Lisa Olsen. Fryar's wife going after him with a knife. "Roughing the passer" causing one of the best teams in Patriots history to miss out. The joy of being the first team to win three road games to make it to the Super Bowl, quickly crushed by the Bears. Making it back 10 years later only to have ****ing Favre celebrating instead. Aside from two quick peaks in the mid-80s and mid-90s, it was brutal around here. Back when the Colts were in the divison, and the AFCE was all about the Shula and Marino Dolphins and then later the Levy and Kelly Bills, and the Patriots and Colts were left to play in the annual "Toilet Bowl" against each other. First game I went to, as a teen in the 80s, the Browns broke Grogan's leg and beat the Patriots at that metal bowl of a piece of shit they called Sullivan/Schaefer Stadium. Next time I went, they lost to the freakin' Houston Oilers. We had ONE player in Canton, and he was a friggin' O-lineman. Our most historical moment was when an ex-convict drove a snowplow onto the field to beat the mighty Dolphins. Our second-most historical moment was when the owner's son got punched out by Matt Millen.

JD10367
01-13-2011, 01:51 PM
ROFL ROFL ROFL God bless you Wes Welker.

I don't like it. I prefer the Patriots do what they do best, which is take the high road and say nothing until they've won the game. This just shows that Ryan actually accomplished his goal, which was to get in the heads of the Patriots and distract them. I think I'm revising my prediction now, to a tight game and a FG win by New England.

The_Doctor10
01-13-2011, 02:07 PM
Epic Win for Wes Welker.

blaise
01-13-2011, 02:22 PM
I don't like it. I prefer the Patriots do what they do best, which is take the high road and say nothing until they've won the game. This just shows that Ryan actually accomplished his goal, which was to get in the heads of the Patriots and distract them. I think I'm revising my prediction now, to a tight game and a FG win by New England.

Seems to me that the Pats are laughing about it, more than stressing out about it and letting it get in their heads.

Amnorix
01-13-2011, 02:55 PM
I have a feeling you and I (and LiveSteam) are around the same age. I find it funny that people who say "Patriots fans don't know how good they have it" probably don't themselves remember how bad the Patriots used to be, or all those incidents you mentioned. Zeke Mowatt waving "Little Zeke" at Lisa Olsen. Fryar's wife going after him with a knife. "Roughing the passer" causing one of the best teams in Patriots history to miss out. The joy of being the first team to win three road games to make it to the Super Bowl, quickly crushed by the Bears. Making it back 10 years later only to have ****ing Favre celebrating instead. Aside from two quick peaks in the mid-80s and mid-90s, it was brutal around here. Back when the Colts were in the divison, and the AFCE was all about the Shula and Marino Dolphins and then later the Levy and Kelly Bills, and the Patriots and Colts were left to play in the annual "Toilet Bowl" against each other. First game I went to, as a teen in the 80s, the Browns broke Grogan's leg and beat the Patriots at that metal bowl of a piece of shit they called Sullivan/Schaefer Stadium. Next time I went, they lost to the freakin' Houston Oilers. We had ONE player in Canton, and he was a friggin' O-lineman. Our most historical moment was when an ex-convict drove a snowplow onto the field to beat the mighty Dolphins. Our second-most historical moment was when the owner's son got punched out by Matt Millen.

Yeah, sounds like we are about the same age.

God i forgot about that idiot getting punched out by Millen. Can you imagine Jonathan Kraft being such a total schmuck?

KcMizzou
01-13-2011, 03:08 PM
LMAO

http://deadspin.com/5732917/

Can't embed.

Sweet Daddy Hate
01-13-2011, 03:47 PM
Meh.

Manning was dealt a lousy hand.

They need to can that whole damn coaching staff...every single one of them. Start clean.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAit's never Manning's fault. Awesome.LMAO

Pioli Zombie
01-13-2011, 03:57 PM
Tom Brady strikes me as the type of guy who would spend his free time lounging around in women's underwear.
If I could fuck the women he fucks any time he wants I would put on a ballerina outfit and dance through Hyvee.

Dylan
01-13-2011, 05:05 PM
Brady admits to taunting opponents. It won't end the arrogance they have, but it is a strategic concept to guide opponents' defenses going forward.

Oh well, "Out of the mouths of babes"


Excerpts: Today's New York Post.

Patriots' Brady says 'I've been called worse'

The Patriots quarterback brushed off Antonio Cromartie's colorful insults yesterday, but he didn't deny the Jets' accusations that he provokes other teams with antics during the game.

Brady began by scoffing when told of a report that Cromartie had called him an "a--hole."

"I've been called worse," he said. "I'm sure there's a long list of people that feel that way."

But when prodded by The Post about whether what was driving Cromartie's comment -- that Brady points fingers and taunts foes, a claim coach Rex Ryan also made -- is true, the three-time Super Bowl MVP appeared to come clean a bit.

"I'm an emotional player," Brady said, smiling slightly. "It's all in the spirit of the game. It's a competition."


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/jets/brady_pointed_comment_emotional_3aoPjJ7McorehyN1ifQ6DN#ixzz1AxlWCM2Y

o:-)

Sweet Daddy Hate
01-13-2011, 05:17 PM
I have a feeling you and I (and LiveSteam) are around the same age. I find it funny that people who say "Patriots fans don't know how good they have it" probably don't themselves remember how bad the Patriots used to be, or all those incidents you mentioned. Zeke Mowatt waving "Little Zeke" at Lisa Olsen. Fryar's wife going after him with a knife. "Roughing the passer" causing one of the best teams in Patriots history to miss out. The joy of being the first team to win three road games to make it to the Super Bowl, quickly crushed by the Bears. Making it back 10 years later only to have ****ing Favre celebrating instead. Aside from two quick peaks in the mid-80s and mid-90s, it was brutal around here. Back when the Colts were in the divison, and the AFCE was all about the Shula and Marino Dolphins and then later the Levy and Kelly Bills, and the Patriots and Colts were left to play in the annual "Toilet Bowl" against each other. First game I went to, as a teen in the 80s, the Browns broke Grogan's leg and beat the Patriots at that metal bowl of a piece of shit they called Sullivan/Schaefer Stadium. Next time I went, they lost to the freakin' Houston Oilers. We had ONE player in Canton, and he was a friggin' O-lineman. Our most historical moment was when an ex-convict drove a snowplow onto the field to beat the mighty Dolphins. Our second-most historical moment was when the owner's son got punched out by Matt Millen.

God, I remember being 12 years old and my friends and I just pissing ourselves with laughter at the utter ass-whipping Chicago threw down on NE.:evil:

LiveSteam
01-13-2011, 05:19 PM
God, I remember being 12 years old and my friends and I just pissing ourselves with laughter at the utter ass-whipping Chicago threw down on NE.:evil:

UMMMMMMMMM!!
It still hurts

Sweet Daddy Hate
01-13-2011, 05:24 PM
UMMMMMMMMM!!
It still hurts

"Okay, let's put the lard-assed lineman in for a quick TD"!

"Check"! LMAO

Over-Head
01-13-2011, 05:29 PM
"Okay, let's put the lard-assed lineman in for a quick TD"!

"Check"! LMAO I'll never forget "The Fridge" being handed the ball, or McMahons (sp) head bands and |Mullett

Short Leash Hootie
01-13-2011, 05:30 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAit's never Manning's fault. Awesome.LMAO

It certainly wasn't this year.

Over-Head
01-13-2011, 05:32 PM
Yeah, sounds like we are about the same age.

God i forgot about that idiot getting punched out by Millen. Can you imagine Jonathan Kraft being such a total schmuck?
As did a lot of us....good memories though :p

LiveSteam
01-13-2011, 05:33 PM
I'll never forget "The Fridge" being handed the ball, or McMahons (sp) head bands and |Mullett

Its bull shit
Walter P should have been given that touchdown.

Over-Head
01-13-2011, 05:38 PM
Its bull shit
Walter P should have been given that touchdown. No argument there at all....

Sweet Daddy Hate
01-13-2011, 05:43 PM
I'll never forget "The Fridge" being handed the ball, or McMahons (sp) head bands and |Mullett

http://www.zootpatrol.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/talk3.jpg

McMahon Rule = Buzzkill.

-King-
01-13-2011, 06:54 PM
I don't like it. I prefer the Patriots do what they do best, which is take the high road and say nothing until they've won the game. This just shows that Ryan actually accomplished his goal, which was to get in the heads of the Patriots and distract them. I think I'm revising my prediction now, to a tight game and a FG win by New England.


I'm pretty sure Rex is in nobodies head. Making a lot of puns doesn't count as him getting in Wes' head.

cardken
01-13-2011, 07:31 PM
After the Wes Welker foot conference, don;t be surprised to see a bounty put out on him ala his dad in Bounty Bowl back in the day, or at least I'd like to hope Rex declares one. LOL
Go JETS!

Short Leash Hootie
01-13-2011, 07:34 PM
you guys might as well put all of your money on the Jets because I'm betting the farm on the Pats...

Dylan
01-13-2011, 08:27 PM
Ralph Vacchiano http://www.nydail...

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Twitter:
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JD10367
01-13-2011, 08:34 PM
Ralph Vacchiano http://www.nydail...

http://www.norcal-lt1.com/forum/images/smilies/smily16.gif

Twitter:
How do you beat the Patriots? The Jets would be wise to listen to Spags ... http://nydn.us/eOB904 #NYG #NYJ #NFL
4 minutes ago via Seesmic Web

Wow.

The Jets need to pressure Brady.

But not only that, they need to "beat the guy in front of him".

What a fucking brain surgeon!

Dylan
01-13-2011, 10:16 PM
Hey JD10367, This one's for you -- Hot off the press!


ESPN
Suggs suggests Brady's titles are fraudulent

By Tim Graham
January 13, 2011

quarterback Tom Brady continues to be a verbal target, but the latest salvos come from Baltimore Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs, who'll play the Pittsburgh Steelers on Saturday.

It's cross-game trash talk.

Thursday on Sirius radio show "Gary & Phillips on the Morning," Suggs was asked how Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger compares to Brady and Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning.

"Well, if you ask me, he's definitely up there with them," Suggs said in a transcript posted by Yahoo! Sports blog editor Matthew J. Darnell, "because he has the hardware to prove it, and that's all that matters in this league is Super Bowls. And he's won two of them.

"If I'm correct Manning's only won one -- both Mannings that is -- and Phillip Rivers doesn't have any, and Tom Brady has three, I think, a questionable three. This guy [Roethlisberger] won the Super Bowl, I believe, in his second year in the league, and I'm not sure if that's ever been done before. If it has, it's been very rare."

Suggs was asked to elaborate on what he meant by Brady's "questionable" championships.

"Oh, you know, you've got the Tuck Rule incident, and then you've got the videotaping of the other team's practices," Suggs said. "It's just like, OK, what's going on here? You know?"

The Patriots infamously benefited from the Tuck Rule against the Oakland Raiders in the 2001 postseason. A Brady fumble was changed to an incomplete pass in the final two minutes, eventually allowing the Patriots to kick a field goal that forced overtime. Adam Vinatieri kicked another one in sudden death.

Mike Pereira, the NFL's former director of officiating, recently wrote in a Fox Sports column the Tuck Rule needed to be changed. Pereira said those loose balls should be fumbles.

The Tuck Rule helped the Patriots win the first of three Super Bowls, all of which have been clouded by the Spygate controversy. The scandal cost the Patriots their 2008 first-round draft choice and a $250,000 fine. The NFL also fined Patriots head coach Bill Belichick $500,000.

"But, hey, it is what it is," Suggs said. "They won the games no matter how you did it. But, um, it's whatever."
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/35776/suggs-suggests-bradys-titles-are-fraudulent



Justin Bieber for the title role in 3...2...


LMAO

grandllama
01-13-2011, 10:18 PM
Leave it to Rex and the Jet's to make the Pat's the sympathetic underdogs...

Fark it, Go Pats.

KcMizzou
01-13-2011, 10:31 PM
Leave it to Rex and the Jet's to make the Pat's the sympathetic underdogs...

Fark it, Go Pats.True. Now that you mention it.

I never could have imagined myself rooting for the Pats. First, I'm an underdog guy... and second the Jets have Brad Smith (Mizzou). But now... JFC... I just want the Jets to STFU and go away.

KcMizzou
01-13-2011, 10:35 PM
Hilarious!

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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5767540The best thing about this, is that it shows that Brady does have a sense of humor. Dude's just got a short leash when it comes to being candid. That's the Patriot way.

DBOSHO
01-13-2011, 10:37 PM
So toms superbowls are fragulent because he benefitted from an NFL rule. Cool.

grandllama
01-13-2011, 10:38 PM
True. Now that you mention it.

I never could have imagined myself rooting for the Pats. First, I'm an underdog guy... and second the Jets have Brad Smith (Mizzou). But now... JFC... I just want the Jets to STFU and go away.

I didn't know Brad went to the Jets...

But with all the pure bull shit Rex came in here with last week, a huge part of me wanted the Colts to bury his ass, no matter how bad I hate the Colts. (I got really tired of editing stories about Rex and his ego for our website)

Couldn't stand his dad, can't stand him. Great coach, horrible person.

Guru
01-13-2011, 10:43 PM
Hilarious!

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</object>

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5767540Now that was funny. LMAO

Ugly Duck
01-13-2011, 10:50 PM
I root for NE & Pitt to never win another game. Ever.

Short Leash Hootie
01-13-2011, 10:52 PM
I'm actually rooting for the Pats out of the AFC...

I won't be rooting for them in the Super Bowl...but I hate the Ravens, Steelers and Jets more than the Pats so go Pats (for now).

KcMizzou
01-13-2011, 11:02 PM
I'm actually rooting for the Pats out of the AFC...

I won't be rooting for them in the Super Bowl...but I hate the Ravens, Steelers and Jets more than the Pats so go Pats (for now).I'd like to see Atlanta win it.

grandllama
01-13-2011, 11:09 PM
I'd like to see Atlanta win it.

Yep, love to see Tony get his ring...

of course I'd love to see TRich get his ring too...

Stram fan
01-13-2011, 11:20 PM
Has any 11 win team that went 1-1 in the regular season against an opponent ever been a 9 point dog in the second round of the playoffs?

To repeat:
11 wins
1-1 in the regular season
Second round of playoffs
9 point dog

If it's happened before, I can't recall it. I think too much attention is being paid to the big blowout game, a game in which the Jets completely abandoned their strengths and opened with a hurry up offense simply becauses Sanchez had been hot in the two minute offense in games leading up to this one.

Since it was early in the season, everyone is discounting the Jets 14 point win over the Pats. The game Cleveland destroyed the Pats is being written off as an anomoly,while the Jets blowout game isn't.

I am here to guarantee the Jets won't get blown out this time. They will cover the spread. It's unlikely they win, but it is within the realm of possibility.

I have always had an affinity to the old AFL teams. It was the Jets and Chiefs that forced the merger into what we know as the NFL today. From those glorious days, I still like the Chiefs. I think many, especially the youngsters, lack an appreciation for what these two franchises did against all odds.

What happened back then will always bond these two football teams, although it fades as us old guys also fade away. Belichick is Darth Vader, secretly born of Al Davis. NE is the dark side, and he has you Chiefs fans tempted and enticed. Ryan is Luke Skywalker... he has no chance, and his outspoken confidence, that cocky refusal to accept defeat, to take on the dark side seems irrational, reckless.

Don't go to the dark side. Root for the Jets. And we're sorry about the whole Herman Edwards thing.

Guru
01-13-2011, 11:23 PM
Has any 11 win team that went 1-1 in the regular season against an opponent ever been a 9 point dog in the second round of the playoffs?

To repeat:
11 wins
1-1 in the regular season
Second round of playoffs
9 point dog

If it's happened before, I can't recall it. I think too much attention is being paid to the big blowout game, a game in which the Jets completely abandoned their strengths and opened with a hurry up offense simply becauses Sanchez had been hot in the two minute offense in games leading up to this one.

Since it was early in the season, everyone is discounting the Jets 14 point win over the Pats. The game Cleveland destroyed the Pats is being written off as an anomoly,while the Jets blowout game isn't.

I am here to guarantee the Jets won't get blown out this time. They will cover the spread. It's unlikely they win, but it is within the realm of possibility.

I have always had an affinity to the old AFL teams. It was the Jets and Chiefs that forced the merger into what we know as the NFL today. From those glorious days, I still like the Chiefs. I think many, especially the youngsters, lack an appreciation for what these two franchises did against all odds.

What happened back then will always bond these two football teams, although it fades as us old guys also fade away. Belichick is Darth Vader, secretly born of Al Davis. NE is the dark side, and he has you Chiefs fans tempted and enticed. Ryan is Luke Skywalker... he has no chance, and his outspoken confidence, that cocky refusal to accept defeat, to take on the dark side seems irrational, reckless.

Don't go to the dark side. Root for the Jets. And we're sorry about the whole Herman Edwards thing.Ah, well that just makes up for everything.

Over-Head
01-14-2011, 03:24 AM
I root for NE & Pitt to never win another game. Ever. THIS

Nzoner
01-14-2011, 05:15 AM
I am here to guarantee the Jets won't get blown out this time. They will cover the spread. It's unlikely they win, but it is within the realm of possibility.




Exactly why I put "I hope" in my thread title.As a football fan I hope the Pats whip their ass and good,as a gambler,no thanks,I'll take the Jets and the points.

Guru
01-14-2011, 05:19 AM
Exactly why I put "I hope" in my thread title.As a football fan I hope the Pats whip their ass and good,as a gambler,no thanks,I'll take the Jets and the points.Did you get my PM?

Nzoner
01-14-2011, 05:45 AM
Did you get my PM?

Sorry man,I did,but I have a few fires raging in my life right now so I didn't want to commit to anything and then have to cancel.I should know more by early next week if that's not too late.

Amnorix
01-14-2011, 06:13 AM
As did a lot of us....good memories though :p

I don't think I've ever seen a more compelling instance of cosmic karma/justice than the Tuck Rule to even out for Ben Dreith. :p

Amnorix
01-14-2011, 06:18 AM
Not sure I can copy this in, but omg. ROFL ROFL

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If not, here's a link.

http://twitpic.com/3pv0c7

LiveSteam
01-14-2011, 06:40 AM
Hear ya go Amnorix

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Dylan
01-14-2011, 07:29 AM
Not sure I can copy this in, but omg. ROFL ROFL

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If not, here's a link.

http://twitpic.com/3pv0c7

Poppycock!

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2011/01/14/covers/front011411.jpghttp://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2011/01/14/covers/back011411.jpg

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Over-Head
01-14-2011, 08:12 AM
Poppycock!

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2011/01/14/covers/front011411.jpghttp://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2011/01/14/covers/back011411.jpg


Revenge: Time to Beat the Bully!
LMAO sweet

Bill Parcells
01-14-2011, 08:52 AM
Poppycock!

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Revenge: Time to Beat the Bully!

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Bill Parcells
01-14-2011, 08:54 AM
Mangold as an ewok and Namath as Yoda is making me spit my coffee out

ROFL

Dylan
01-14-2011, 11:10 AM
Wow.

The Jets need to pressure Brady.

But not only that, they need to "beat the guy in front of him".

What a ****ing brain surgeon!

If Jets want to beat Patriots, Steve Spagnuolo has some insight on how to rattle Tom Brady

BY Ralph Vacchiano
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
January 13, 2011

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/01/14/alg_brady.jpg
The Giants defense treats New England quarterback Tom Brady like a ragdoll in Super Bowl XLII, sacking him five times and hitting him more than 15 times in the upset win.

When it was just Steve Spagnuolo sitting in his office with a coach's clicker in his hands, that's when he would worry the most in the days leading up to Super Bowl XLII. He had two weeks to study the New England Patriots offense and try to peek into Bill Belichick's brain.

With every frame of game film, though, he'd return to the same question: How the heck am I going to stop this team?

"Yeah, every time I looked at it," the former Giants defensive coordinator says. "I remember thinking, 'OK, we might have a chance here if we keep them under 30.' Now think about that for a second: I thought we'd be playing good defense if they got 25 or 28 points. It was a daunting, daunting task."

Perhaps, but in the end, Spagnuolo and the Giants found a way to do what few have done in the last decade - beat Patriots QB Tom Brady in a big game. That's what the Jets and Rex Ryan will be trying to do Sunday in Foxborough when they face the Patriots in a divisional playoff showdown.

Speaking from his office in St. Louis, where he's the head coach of the Rams, Spagnuolo still credits "good players and great leadership" - not his defensive game plan - for the Giants' Super Bowl upset. He knows, however, that the way his defense came hard after Brady from the very first snap was a significant factor, too.

"Brady is the key cog that keeps that thing rolling," Spagnuolo says. "I haven't seen them much this year, but my guess is he still is."

Brady didn't put up the record-breaking numbers this season that he did in 2007, but he had what will likely be an MVP season. He completed 65.9% of his passes for 3,900 yards and 36 TDs, with only four INTs. That included a 326-yard, four-TD performance in a 45-3 win over the Jets.

The Jets sacked Brady three times in that game, but weren't able to sustain pressure. If they follow the Giants' example from 2007, Brady will spend much more time on his back. The constant pressure on Brady from Spagnuolo's Super Bowl scheme resulted in five sacks, nine hits, one pass that was deflected at the line of scrimmage and countless other throws that appeared rushed.

Brady still threw for 266 yards in Super Bowl XLII, but he needed 48 attempts (and 29 completions) to do it. He also didn't throw a TD pass until late in the fourth quarter. When Brady got the ball back with 29 seconds remaining in the game, needing about 40 or so yards for a game-tying field-goal attempt, the Giants blitzed him heavily, sacked him once, and the Patriots didn't gain a yard.

Pressure isn't the only answer, Spagnuolo says. Belichick knows the Jets are likely to go after Brady, and the Patriots coach will likely have an answer for every opposing scheme.

"Just saying, 'Hey, we're going to go after Tom Brady' doesn't necessarily work," Spagnuolo says. "I'm sure every team that's played him has thought that way. I'm sure that Rex (Ryan) will do the same thing. He's played them enough. He knows when to go and what not to do.

"But when you go out there and it's time to play the game, it still comes back to the players beating the guy in front of them. That's what it'll come down to. The Patriots are very smart on offense, the Jets do a good job on defense. It'll just be a matter of which side gets more players playing at a high level."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2011/01/13/2011-01-13_if_jets_want_to_beat_patriots_steve_spagnuolo_has_some_insight_on_how_to_rattle_.html

Amnorix
01-14-2011, 11:14 AM
Jets don't have the same kind of defensive line.

Dylan
01-14-2011, 11:17 AM
Amnorix, What about GB or Chicago's defense?

Just curious - TIA

Dylan
01-14-2011, 11:38 AM
Spagnuolo's great moments as a leader:

New York Daily News

Mythbuster: Did '07 Giants really go all-out in finale vs. unbeaten Pats?
BY Ralph Vacchiano

January 14, 2011 10:54 AM

The Giants’ pass rush overwhelmed Tom Brady in Super Bowl XLII. They came at him from every angle and attacked him from the opening series right up until the last. It was a clinic, really, on how to stop the mighty Patriots and what to do to knock their Hall of Fame-bound quarterback off his game.

What I never was able to understand about that, though, was why the Giants chose to play Brady that way that night, and why all week before the game the Giants seemed so sure they’d be able to rattle him. Five weeks earlier, in what appeared to be an all-out effort to stop the Patriots from finishing the regular season unbeaten, the Giants’ pass rush was completely ineffective. They sacked Brady only once and watched him stand in the pocket, mostly untouched, completing 32 of 42 passes for 356 yards.

So after looking at that film of the regular season finale, what in the world made then-defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo think his defense could get to Brady the second time around?

“Well, I’ll let you in on a little bit of a secret,” Spagnuolo, now the Rams head coach, said from his office in St. Louis this week. “You know, as much as we wanted to win that game - - all of us did - - and we played it to win it, we made a decision defensively we weren’t going to jeopardize trying to win the Tampa Bay game (in the first round of the playoffs) by throwing out our whole game plan in the 16th game of the season. So there was a little bit of a pullback there.”

That certainly has been a well-kept secret, considering the Giants’ supposed, all-out effort against the then-15-0 Patriots is often credited as the performance that sparked their Super Bowl run. They lost 38-35 that day, but picked up tons of confidence, even though their defense barely provided a speed bump for Brady and the Patriots’ record-setting offensive machine.

The Giants did play their starters until the very end of that mostly meaningless game, risking their health just eight days before they’d open the playoffs at Tampa Bay. The players, in fact, were told they were going all-out for the win, and they may not have even realized how scaled back the defensive game plan really was.

It was scaled back enough, however, that Spagnuolo regretted the decision after he saw how close the Giants were to actually pulling that upset off.

“I remember as close as we got to winning that game I felt a little bit bad about not throwing a little bit more at them in an attempt to win the thing,” Spagnuolo said. “They were better than us that day and they should have won. But we did some different things in the Super Bowl that we didn’t do at all in the 16th game.

“I don’t know if that helped or not, but we’d like to think it did.”

Whether it did or not, I certainly found that “little secret” interesting when I spoke to Spagnuolo this week for an article that appeared in the Daily News special section on the upcoming Jets-Patriots playoff game. Mostly, I talked with “Spags” about how to attack a Brady-Belichick team. But we also spent some time reminiscing about that magical Giants Super Bowl run.

Not surprisingly, Spagnuolo said the scheme didn’t have nearly as much to do with the Giants’ big upset as did the “good players and great leadership” that memorable team had.

“It’s funny, I’ll go back down memory lane for you,” Spagnuolo said. “I remember being at our team hotel. It might have been before Game 5. We were 2-2, we had just won a couple of games, and I remember saying to the defense ‘How many guys in here have been to the playoffs?’ A number of guys put their hands up. ‘How many guys have been in a Super Bowl?’ I put mine up, Michael Strahan put his up and Peter Giunta put his up. I’m not sure, there might have been (others). But there weren’t very many hands. I said to Pete and Mike, ‘Did you ever get to the Super Bowl by winning one or two games?’ Of course the answer was ‘No.’ The point was there was a lot of work to be done.

“But I remember when I went through that exercise that there weren’t a lot of hands up for playoffs or Super Bowl, but the key ones were up there. There were some coaches that had been there, Strahan had been there. Antonio Pierce had been to the playoffs. Sam Madison had been to the playoffs. And I do think that carried us when we went in as a 10-6 wild card team with really no expectations from anybody outside our building and helped us eventually win the thing.”

It also helped, he said, that the Giants gained some confidence with their near-win in the regular-season finale. It doesn’t matter how scaled back the game plan was. The key players in Super Bowl XLII were in there until the end and left the field convinced they’d beat the Patriots if they were fortunate enough to play them again.

“I remember Justin Tuck and I walking off the field and he said, ‘Coach, I sure do hope we get a chance to play them again,’” Spagnuolo recalled. “That’s just the way he felt and I thought it permeated through the team. And when we did get a chance, our guys as players took advantage of it.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2011/01/mythbuster-did-07-giants-really-go-all-out-in-finale-vs-unbeaten-pats

Amnorix
01-14-2011, 11:43 AM
Amnorix, What about GB or Chicago's defense?

Just curious - TIA


Chicago's defense the Pats pummeled last month, BUT BUT BUT that was on a completely crappy Soldier's Field turf. I think Chicago defensively could pose problems for the Patriots with some seriously elite players in Peppers, Uhrlacher (sp?) and Briggs. Their field hurt htem that game. Urlacher also tipped like 2 balls himself, and there were some opportunities for picks that, luck being what it is, didn't go Chicago's way.

The question there is whether their offense can do much. I'm not in a good position to assess that. Certainly Cutler looked terrible against us that game.

The Packers scare me more than any NFC team in a potential Super Bowl matchup. Rodgers is 90% of Brady, and their pass rush can be ferocious.

They also lost a very close game IN FOXBORO to us, without Rodgers, which is a similar scenario to 2007 when the Giants lost a very close game to us in the last regular game of the season, therefore entering hte Super Bowl with no fear at all of the Patriots, and having a good sense of how they play and what might be necessary to defeat them.

Seattle doesn't scare me (doesn't matter, they'll never get there) and Atlanta, for some reason, really doesn't scare me that much. I like Ryan, but more than likely it's a function of not knowing that team very well. But I know their 13-3 record is a bit inflated for having had the NFC West in their rotation this year.

But let me be honest -- I think the Patriots, STeelers AND Ravens are better than ANY NFC team. If we can get to the Super Bowl, I still *expect* to win. That doesn't mean we will, of course. 2007 was ample proof that what is expected, or even what might happen 8 times out of 10, can always go wrong.

2001 went that way in the Patriots favor, of course. 2007 was seeing the worm turn in that respect.

Bill Parcells
01-14-2011, 12:09 PM
Jets don't have the same kind of defensive line.

The Jets have absolutely no pass rush without blitzing. I think they are gonna play smith again at linebacker and dare the Pats to run the ball. which isnt exactly their game.

Dylan
01-14-2011, 12:17 PM
Thank you, Amnorix

Amnorix
01-14-2011, 01:18 PM
The Jets have absolutely no pass rush without blitzing. I think they are gonna play smith again at linebacker and dare the Pats to run the ball. which isnt exactly their game.


Right, and I think blitzing Brady isn't much different from slitting your wrists with a chainsaw.

What the Giants did wsa without blitzing, which was the key to why it worked so well. Frankly, I was shocked -- not because I didn't know the Giants were that good, but because they dominated the Patriots OLine, which had not been manhandled like that -- or anything close to it, all year.

The Giants D-Line's domination of the Pats O-Line is why the Giants won that game, pure and simple.

Guru
01-14-2011, 01:57 PM
Sorry man,I did,but I have a few fires raging in my life right now so I didn't want to commit to anything and then have to cancel.I should know more by early next week if that's not too late.

Thats fine man. Just let me know.

beach tribe
01-14-2011, 01:59 PM
Right, and I think blitzing Brady isn't much different from slitting your wrists with a chainsaw.

What the Giants did wsa without blitzing, which was the key to why it worked so well. Frankly, I was shocked -- not because I didn't know the Giants were that good, but because they dominated the Patriots OLine, which had not been manhandled like that -- or anything close to it, all year.

The Giants D-Line's domination of the Pats O-Line is why the Giants won that game, pure and simple.

Yup.

JD10367
01-14-2011, 04:39 PM
Hey JD10367, This one's for you -- Hot off the press!

I give zero shit about what Suggs thinks, just as I give zero shit what you think.

This one's for you, AND Suggs.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/bill%2Bbelichick%2B8x10.JPG

Guru
01-14-2011, 04:42 PM
Damnit, boy scouts is having their damn pinewood derby tomorrow at 2pm. I'm gonna end up missing most of the game I wanted to see tomorrow. ugh

I don't like boy scouts. My son doesn't like it. My wife makes him do it. I always end up making the car because he wasn't much help.

I really can't stand scouts and the pinewood derbys.

JD10367
01-14-2011, 04:48 PM
Right, and I think blitzing Brady isn't much different from slitting your wrists with a chainsaw.

What the Giants did wsa without blitzing, which was the key to why it worked so well. Frankly, I was shocked -- not because I didn't know the Giants were that good, but because they dominated the Patriots OLine, which had not been manhandled like that -- or anything close to it, all year.

The Giants D-Line's domination of the Pats O-Line is why the Giants won that game, pure and simple.

I also think that game demonstrated the first chink in the armor as to why Randy Moss wasn't such a great idea after all.

Also, note that in the second half of that season the Patriots actually started playing poorer (having closer games) and entered the playoffs not getting better. Despite being 16-0, I think this Patriots team was actually playing better ball--and continuously improving ball--as the season came to an end.

LiveSteam
01-14-2011, 04:59 PM
That was as close to a perfect season as i think we will ever live to see. 1 dam pass play on 4th down. For me?. I would give away the other 3 super bowl wins for that 1 perfect season,& the right to shove it down dolphin throats for ever more.
CAN WE PLEASE GO BACK IN TIME & REDO THAT 1 PLAY? pleassssssssssssssss!!
The pain of that game. Dose not get better with time.

JD10367
01-14-2011, 05:01 PM
Chicago's defense the Pats pummeled last month, BUT BUT BUT that was on a completely crappy Soldier's Field turf. I think Chicago defensively could pose problems for the Patriots with some seriously elite players in Peppers, Uhrlacher (sp?) and Briggs. Their field hurt htem that game. Urlacher also tipped like 2 balls himself, and there were some opportunities for picks that, luck being what it is, didn't go Chicago's way.

The question there is whether their offense can do much. I'm not in a good position to assess that. Certainly Cutler looked terrible against us that game.

The Packers scare me more than any NFC team in a potential Super Bowl matchup. Rodgers is 90% of Brady, and their pass rush can be ferocious.

They also lost a very close game IN FOXBORO to us, without Rodgers, which is a similar scenario to 2007 when the Giants lost a very close game to us in the last regular game of the season, therefore entering hte Super Bowl with no fear at all of the Patriots, and having a good sense of how they play and what might be necessary to defeat them.

Seattle doesn't scare me (doesn't matter, they'll never get there) and Atlanta, for some reason, really doesn't scare me that much. I like Ryan, but more than likely it's a function of not knowing that team very well. But I know their 13-3 record is a bit inflated for having had the NFC West in their rotation this year.

I'd agree with that assessment.

It's really not rocket science as to how to beat this version of the Patriots. For the Jets (or anyone) to do it, they have to:

1.) Run the ball effectively, controlling the time of possession and keeping Brady off the field.

2.) Pressure Brady (preferably by concealing the alignment and eliminating many pre-snap reads on his part). IMO the best way to do this is the same way the Patriots D used to do it back around '03/'04: move around a lot before the snap of the ball. I don't know why more teams don't do this to Brady and Peyton. Have guys in three point stances, who back up into two; have guys approach the line as if blitzing, then shuffle back a few feet as if going into pass-protection, then go back towards the LOS. If Brady and Manning don't know what you're doing, then they can't audible out to a call they think will work.

3.) Try to get off the field defensively on third down. Brady and the Patriots are very good at 3DC, usually getting just enough yardage. Keep an eye on Welker and Woodhead, and defend the seams against the tight ends.

4.) Win the turnover battle.

5.) Do the unexpected. Against a team like the Patriots, any small edge can be the difference in the game. Despite Belichick's big brain, he IS susceptible to coaches who go against the grain (witness the onside kick to start the game a few weeks back, which caught the Patriots flatfooted). Especially if you're a team that's not on equal footing (hi Jets), you're not going to win by playing it safe. I haven't seen a nice fake FG attempt lately; if I were the Jets, and I was in the 47-50 yard range, I'd fake one.

6.) Take advantage of whatever weaknesses the team has. In this year's team, it's pretty simple: the defensive line depth and the defensive backfield depth. Creative run plays against the former, and multiple-receiver formations against the latter, with three-step drops and even max protect if necessary.

The problem is that the Patriots are very disciplined and it's hard to accomplish these things. Especially for a team like the Jets, who don't have a franchise QB. If Sanchez has even an average game, they're in a lot of trouble; if he has a bad game, they're toast.

Ultimately, here's the rub for the Jets: they have this long laundry-list of "things they need to do to beat the Patriots". On the other side, the Patriots have a much shorter list of "things they need to do to beat the Jets":

1.) Execute on offense as you've been doing all year, and don't fuck up.

2.) Play at least a bend-but-don't-break defense as you've been doing all year, and don't fuck up.

Dylan
01-14-2011, 05:11 PM
Right, and I think blitzing Brady isn't much different from slitting your wrists with a chainsaw.

What the Giants did wsa without blitzing, which was the key to why it worked so well. Frankly, I was shocked -- not because I didn't know the Giants were that good, but because they dominated the Patriots OLine, which had not been manhandled like that -- or anything close to it, all year.

The Giants D-Line's domination of the Pats O-Line is why the Giants won that game, pure and simple.

Patriots is a very smart offense. Thinking back -- Tom Coughlin offered a simple explanation for how the Giants defense contained Brady's complex offense.

If you try to 'stack the box' that's when they throw. They use runs as passes -- They're going to come out with something new every game and work it into their basic scheme. If you try and play tight against the pass -- that's when they run. It just so happens that Spags had the ability to change and adapt in the game. He had a lot of set-ups to counter.

There are some teams that run the same offense all the time with some minor tweaks. If only it were that easy against the Patriots.

Dylan
01-14-2011, 05:15 PM
I give zero shit about what Suggs thinks, just as I give zero shit what you think.

This one's for you, AND Suggs.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/bill%2Bbelichick%2B8x10.JPG

JD10367, do you live under a rock?

LMAO

Chiefs Pantalones
01-14-2011, 05:32 PM
I have no clue why Rex talks so much crap. Even after they got whooped so many weeks back he was kinda talking crap in the post game press conference. He's an idiot. I'm going to enjoy watching them lose again.

Chiefs Pantalones
01-14-2011, 05:38 PM
That was as close to a perfect season as i think we will ever live to see. 1 dam pass play on 4th down. For me?. I would give away the other 3 super bowl wins for that 1 perfect season,& the right to shove it down dolphin throats for ever more.
CAN WE PLEASE GO BACK IN TIME & REDO THAT 1 PLAY? pleassssssssssssssss!!
The pain of that game. Dose not get better with time.

Yeah I felt bad for the Pats fans after that one. I know it's hard to feel bad for a team after they had three other rings, but that was an almost undefeated season. If the Chiefs were 18-0 leading up to the Super Bowl and then lost it I'd probably hang myself. It'd take me a long time to get over that. Sure, a team wins the Super Bowl every year, but not every team goes UNDEFEATED while doing so. That's greatness, especially today.

GloryDayz
01-14-2011, 05:54 PM
I would be just as happy to see someboy finish what the Chiefs started and break Brady's knee in half.

bowener
01-14-2011, 06:18 PM
Damnit, boy scouts is having their damn pinewood derby tomorrow at 2pm. I'm gonna end up missing most of the game I wanted to see tomorrow. ugh

I don't like boy scouts. My son doesn't like it. My wife makes him do it. I always end up making the car because he wasn't much help.

I really can't stand scouts and the pinewood derbys.

Man up, bitch!








Go chug a shit ton of milk, wait till your wife is around, and puke that shit all over the kitchen sink or bathroom floor/toilet/shower/tub.

It will come out smelling awful. Maybe eat some bread for chunks. You also might want to think about doing some jumping jacks just before it to get your body temp us so it seems like you have a fever.

You should be free all day tomorrow!

Guru
01-14-2011, 07:06 PM
Man up, bitch!








Go chug a shit ton of milk, wait till your wife is around, and puke that shit all over the kitchen sink or bathroom floor/toilet/shower/tub.

It will come out smelling awful. Maybe eat some bread for chunks. You also might want to think about doing some jumping jacks just before it to get your body temp us so it seems like you have a fever.

You should be free all day tomorrow!

:LOL::LOL::LOL::thumb:

JD10367
01-14-2011, 07:09 PM
I would be just as happy to see someboy finish what the Chiefs started and break Brady's knee in half.

I would like Fred Phelps to give you AIDS via anus-ripping buttsex.

JD10367
01-14-2011, 07:11 PM
JD10367, do you live under a rock?

LMAO

You don't even make sense. To the Table Of Life, you bring nothing. kthxbye

GloryDayz
01-14-2011, 07:27 PM
I would like Fred Phelps to give you AIDS via anus-ripping buttsex.

Well, with you being dickless I suppose Fred has a better chance than you'd ever have.

Dylan
01-14-2011, 08:22 PM
I give zero shit about what Suggs thinks, just as I give zero shit what you think.

This one's for you, AND Suggs.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/bill%2Bbelichick%2B8x10.JPG

You don't even make sense. To the Table Of Life, you bring nothing. kthxbye

I know it's easy to be snarky about this, but you're really like any other totally disconnected person... Like, mind-numbingly, head-scratchingly stupid... If you think this photo is suppose to impress me.

tk13
01-15-2011, 10:51 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2010/news/story?id=6024525

The latest salvo came Friday from Jets linebacker Bart Scott in reaction to Wes Welker's apparent tongue-in-cheek references to feet and toes as he spoke to the media Thursday.

The Patriots receiver is widely thought to have been poking fun at Rex Ryan over videos of the Jets coach's wife that surfaced on the Internet.

But Scott wasn't laughing.

"I'll tell you what," Scott told Newsday Friday. "Be very careful what you say about our coach. His [Welker's] days in a uniform will be numbered. Put it like that."

The NFL has also said that any comments made this week in all this trash talk will be taken into account if they have to hand down disciplinary action for acts on the field.

cardken
01-15-2011, 10:59 AM
It's true the Jets don't have the pass rush to put the pressure on Brady, but following the Cleveland Brown blueprint to beating the Patriots is completely possible.
Peyton Hiilis had 190 yards rushing that day, the Pats run defense still stands at rank 11 vs. the run, the Jets have two runningbacks capable of rushing for just short of that (Jets rank 4th off rushing), and Cleveland kept Brady to only 22 mins of playtime this is the key if you cant pressure him take the ball out of his hands to beat him.

boogblaster
01-15-2011, 10:59 AM
F da Pats and da Jets .......

3rd&48ers
01-15-2011, 11:10 AM
**** New England. Go Jets!

^ This

LiveSteam
01-15-2011, 11:23 AM
^ This

Choke on the Tuck rule Fucker

Sweet Daddy Hate
01-15-2011, 11:35 AM
Well, I'm supposed to support NE because of Pioli so...

Wait, fuck that; piss on New England. Piss on their heads.

DBOSHO
01-15-2011, 11:38 AM
I would laugh my ass off if welker trucked bart scott.

Fuck the jets. Seriously. They can talk the talk better than anyone in the league but cant walk for shit.

3rd&48ers
01-15-2011, 11:43 AM
Choke on the Tuck rule ****er

like your sister choked on my ****?

LiveSteam
01-15-2011, 12:11 PM
like your sister choked on my ****?

Your lil we weee is why she divorced you. The fact that you have tons of debt. & drive a truck for Pepsi cola didnt help much either.
I will make sure I tell her you said HI.
She was the best thing to ever walk out of your life. LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JD10367
01-15-2011, 02:27 PM
It's true the Jets don't have the pass rush to put the pressure on Brady, but following the Cleveland Brown blueprint to beating the Patriots is completely possible.
Peyton Hiilis had 190 yards rushing that day, the Pats run defense still stands at rank 11 vs. the run, the Jets have two runningbacks capable of rushing for just short of that (Jets rank 4th off rushing), and Cleveland kept Brady to only 22 mins of playtime this is the key if you cant pressure him take the ball out of his hands to beat him.

There's only one problem with the "Cleveland Brown blueprint": judging by the rest of the season, it was more a letdown by the Patriots in a trap road game than anything else. Compare that to the rest of the season (victories over the Colts, Chargers, Steelers, Ravens, Jets, Bears, Packers).