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alnorth
01-14-2011, 06:51 PM
2011 Slogan: "Major League Moments"

A better, more accurate 2011 Slogan: "Cheap tickets and free sh**"
(from jbwm89)

Back by popular demand, this is the 2011 version of the Royals Repository Thread. Get ready for another year of really bad baseball as we patiently wait for one of the greatest farm systems in modern MLB history to send mega-hyped prospects up to Omaha and beyond.

Everything goes here except Gameday threads and really big news. If a giant story breaks, the Royals achieve some awesome milestone, or we sign/lose a highly significant player/coach/mascot/whatever, then it might also deserve its own thread. This being Chiefs Planet, please do not clutter the board with new threads about trivial Royals news or you will only annoy those who come here for just Chiefs football. If you aren't sure and its not a Gameday thread, it goes here.

What sort of stuff often goes here? SPchief explained it well, so I'll just copy that:

If you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

doomy3
01-14-2011, 06:52 PM
Yeah!

alnorth
01-14-2011, 06:52 PM
I started this because I wanted to remove any possibility that I might start the 2012 thread, and thus avoid the blame if the prospects all suck, DM gets fired, we lose 100 games in 2012, and the franchise gets moved to Oregon.

Rams Fan
01-14-2011, 06:52 PM
That rotation does not seem good at all.

doomy3
01-14-2011, 06:55 PM
That rotation does not seem good at all.

Did you get confused and think the title said "2011 Saint Louis Rams Repository Thread"?

Rams Fan
01-14-2011, 06:56 PM
Did you get confused and think the title said "2011 Saint Louis Rams Repository Thread"?

I follow baseball as much as I follow football.

alnorth
01-14-2011, 06:56 PM
Minor news: Alex Gordon took a tiny raise to avoid arbitration. $1.15MM last year, $1.4MM this year plus 100k incentives.

We were generous. The Royals could have pushed for no raise at arbitration but what the hell, with Zack gone and ever-increasing levels of revenue sharing we've got plenty of money to light on fire.

seaofred
01-14-2011, 07:02 PM
Good news: Royals signed LHP Jeff Francis to a 1 yr deal.

ChiefsCountry
01-14-2011, 07:02 PM
Should this be the 2011 Northwest Arkansas Naturals thread?

alanm
01-14-2011, 07:03 PM
I saw where they signed Jeff Francis as well. If he's past his arm troubles of the past year and a half he's a damn good pickup.

Rams Fan
01-14-2011, 07:04 PM
I saw where they signed Jeff Francis as well. If he's past his arm troubles of the past year and a half he's a damn good pickup.

If he's healthy and is decent, he could be big time trade bait.

alnorth
01-14-2011, 07:04 PM
Should this be the 2011 Northwest Arkansas Naturals thread?

heh. At least one-fifth of this thread is going to be Northwest Arkansas-related. Maybe more.

BryanBusby
01-14-2011, 07:05 PM
Here is a list of things that excites me about the Royals 2011 season:

alanm
01-14-2011, 07:06 PM
If he's healthy and is decent, he could be big time trade bait.He looked good at times in the 2nd half last season but was rocked a few times as well.

Rams Fan
01-14-2011, 07:08 PM
He looked good at times in the 2nd half last season but was rocked a few times as well.

If he pitches like a #3 Pitcher for most of the 1st half, getting a prospect or a young player won't be a bad thing.

teedubya
01-14-2011, 07:10 PM
Royals... Base-ball!

At Least we used to be good!!

http://launiusr.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/006273613.jpg

Nightfyre
01-14-2011, 07:10 PM
This doesn't seem very official, Mr. alnorth.

alnorth
01-14-2011, 07:12 PM
This doesn't seem very official, Mr. alnorth.

eh, neither was last year's repository. The Gameday threads that I happen to start are never official, either.

Reaper16
01-14-2011, 07:40 PM
Here is a list of things that excites me about the Royals 2011 season:
Not even Moose Tacos getting called up midway through the season?

duncan_idaho
01-14-2011, 08:14 PM
Here is a list of things that excites me about the Royals 2011 season:

Mike Moustakas (mid-June)

Eric Hosmer (September)

Will Myers (converted to RF, MiLB player of the year)

Mike Montgomery (September)

Danny Duffy (mid-June)

John Lamb (misses September call up but buzz is he's ready for 2012, Opening Day)

Christian Colon (moves to 2B with Escobar on board, goes from a plus-plus SS bat with average to minus glove, to plus-2B bat with plus-glove)

Aaron Crow (will either bounce back as a starter or be a quick mover as a reliever by midseason)

Chris Dwyer (see Lamb)

Lorenzo Cain (mid-June)

The next wave (Cuthbert, Ventura, Yambati, Melville, Sample, Eibner, Odorizzi)

On the big-league club...

Alcides Escobar (can he live up to the previous hype by bouncing back with the bat?)

The bullpen (Soria's brilliance gets backed up by host of young, cheap arms, including Jeffress and Chapman and Timmy Collins).

We're going to spend a lot of time watching the Naturals and Omaha (I refuse to refer to the team by the abortion of a name the dumbs hicks in Nebraska stuck to it).

Pitt Gorilla
01-14-2011, 08:28 PM
Mike Moustakas (mid-June)

Eric Hosmer (September)

Will Myers (converted to RF, MiLB player of the year)

Mike Montgomery (September)

Danny Duffy (mid-June)

John Lamb (misses September call up but buzz is he's ready for 2012, Opening Day)

Christian Colon (moves to 2B with Escobar on board, goes from a plus-plus SS bat with average to minus glove, to plus-2B bat with plus-glove)

Aaron Crow (will either bounce back as a starter or be a quick mover as a reliever by midseason)

Chris Dwyer (see Lamb)

Lorenzo Cain (mid-June)

The next wave (Cuthbert, Ventura, Yambati, Melville, Sample, Eibner, Odorizzi)

On the big-league club...

Alcides Escobar (can he live up to the previous hype by bouncing back with the bat?)

The bullpen (Soria's brilliance gets backed up by host of young, cheap arms, including Jeffress and Chapman and Timmy Collins).

We're going to spend a lot of time watching the Naturals and Omaha (I refuse to refer to the team by the abortion of a name the dumbs hicks in Nebraska stuck to it).This.

tk13
01-14-2011, 08:33 PM
You left out Jason Kendall's hopeful return in June.

alnorth
01-14-2011, 08:41 PM
You left out Jason Kendall's hopeful return in June.

followed by his hopeful re-injury, and his hopeful retirement.

Pitt Gorilla
01-14-2011, 08:44 PM
You left out Jason Kendall's hopeful return in June.He'll be expendable after we flip Francis for Montero.

alnorth
01-14-2011, 08:46 PM
He'll be expendable after we flip Francis for Montero.

I would say the Yankees aren't that stupid, but.... well, they did sign that absurd setup reliever contract today....

Rams Fan
01-14-2011, 08:47 PM
I would say the Yankees aren't that stupid, but.... well, they did sign that absurd setup reliever contract today....

What about the catchers from Texas? Teagarden?

alnorth
01-14-2011, 08:51 PM
Yankee fan reaction to Soriano

Oh my god. What a f**king retarded thing to do. Jesus Christ.

I mean not only are we giving up a first rounder in a stacked draft, we're giving it to TAMPA.

So Cashman swears they won't go more than 3 years on Jeter, then swears they will not be giving up their first rounder. Montero is gonna be traded for Joel Pineiro at this rate.

3/35. Jesus f**king Christ. Who is running this ship?

alnorth
01-14-2011, 09:00 PM
hahahahaha

“He had no interest in paying Soriano $15 million a year, not when it was going to cost the Yankees a prospect in June’s draft. But Cashman was feeling pressure from ownership to make a move; he agreed to take on Soriano against his wishes. This was one of the few times since 2006, when George Steinbrenner withdrew from the day-to-day operations, that Cashman had been overruled.”

When you have more money than God *AND* you are run by a smart GM, thats not fair. It is about damned time the Yankees did something retarded.

You know best Hal and Hank, dont listen to your GM, you run your team the way you KNOW it should be run! ROFL I wish the Yankees many more stupid moves in the future.

edit: here's something to hope for. The new Yankee owners are so disruptive and interfere so much that Cashman decides to quit to be the GM for some other team, thus depriving the Yankees of one of the smartest GM's in baseball. New York cant win every year if they spend their money stupidly, money gives you an advantage but if you have a moron for a GM (or owner) then its meaningless.

Sweet Daddy Hate
01-14-2011, 09:35 PM
Back by popular demand, this is the 2011 version of the Royals Repository Thread.

Gluttons for punishment, eh?

Shogun
01-14-2011, 10:00 PM
The Royals are gonna win the Division and eat the twins lunch this year! TO THE CRACKED, SOGGY, CARDBOARD PADDLEBOAT OF DESTRUCTION! You can quote this post when it happens.

DeezNutz
01-14-2011, 10:12 PM
I started this because I wanted to remove any possibility that I might start the 2012 thread, and thus avoid the blame if the prospects all suck, DM gets fired, we lose 100 games in 2012, and the franchise gets moved to Oregon.

Sweet. As Dayton Moore's biggest fan, I call 2012 responsibilities.

jbwm89
01-15-2011, 08:46 AM
The Francis signing is good news. It probably won'thave much effect on 2012 but this years
Rotation looks scary bad

Bowser
01-15-2011, 09:19 AM
I started this because I wanted to remove any possibility that I might start the 2012 thread, and thus avoid the blame if the prospects all suck, DM gets fired, we lose 100 games in 2012, and the franchise gets moved to Oregon.

Like I need THAT kind of pressure. Thanks, ass.


Thanks for starting this. I was contemplating doing this thread, with Deez encouraging it, but had to bail.

KChiefs1
01-15-2011, 12:08 PM
I saw where they signed Jeff Francis as well. If he's past his arm troubles of the past year and a half he's a damn good pickup.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-post-where-i-praise-dayton-moore/


The Post Where I Praise Dayton Moore (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-post-where-i-praise-dayton-moore/)

by Dave Cameron - January 14, 2011

And the winner of the award for Best Free Agent Signing Of The Winter goes to… Dayton Moore? Wait, seriously? Who counted these votes?

January 14th, 2011 – the day that up became down, right became left, and FanGraphs writes that Moore got the best deal of the winter in free agency. But, here we are – the Royals just signed Jeff Francis (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4684&position=P) to a one year contract for 2011 that will pay him just $2 million, and if he stays healthy and pitches well, could earn him up to a whopping $4 million. To put it in other terms, he just signed for the same amount of guaranteed money as Melvin Mora (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=157&position=3B), and if he hits enough incentives, he might end up making as much as Bill Hall (http://www.fangraphs.com/players.aspx?lastname=Bill%20Hall). This is, quite simply, a steal for Kansas City.

Francis happens to be the somewhat unlucky owner of three things that significantly drove down his market value – a fastball that isn’t as good as it was when he was a first round pick in 2002, a medical report card that includes the words “shoulder surgery”, and an ERA over 5.00 in each of the last two seasons he has pitched. The combination of question marks about his health, stuff, and performance served to drive his price down this winter to a point that I would argue goes beyond reason. Let’s tackle these three issues one by one.

1. Missing Velocity?

For whatever reason, it has become popular to talk about Francis as a guy who has lost significant velocity. I’ve had conversations with team officials where they mentioned the deterioration of his stuff, and around the game, he’s viewed as a guy who simply doesn’t throw as hard as he used to. To some extent, this is true, as he did used to throw harder than he does now – back in 2005.

He broke into the league with a fastball that averaged 88.5 MPH, but it quickly fell off, and he’s been sitting in the 86 MPH range for the last five years. In fact, the 87.2 MPH average fastball velocity he showed last year was the highest he’s had since his second year with the Rockies. While he’s not going to blow anyone away with his heater, the idea that his arm problems have led to a significant drop-off in stuff isn’t supported by the evidence.

2. Injury Risk?

Due to arm surgery that sidelined him for all of 2009 and half of 2010, Francis is seen as something of a health risk. Given that he has only thrown 250 innings over the last three years, that’s understandable to a point, but medical procedures for pitchers have advanced significantly over the last ten years, and simply are not the death knell they once were.

Does anyone care that Tim Hudson (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=921&position=P) had surgery and missed almost all of the 2009 season? What about Josh Johnson (http://www.fangraphs.com/players.aspx?lastname=Josh%20Johnson)? Chris Carpenter (http://www.fangraphs.com/players.aspx?lastname=Chris%20Carpenter)? C.J. Wilson (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3580&position=P)? A.J. Burnett (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=512&position=P)? These guys are often considered to be workhorses now, but each have major arm problems in their medical file. From 2005 to 2007, Francis threw 598 innings, and established himself as a reliable every-fifth-day guy. He doesn’t have a long history of arm problems. His shoulder hurt, he had surgery, and he got it fixed. He doesn’t have leprosy. In a winter where Carl Pavano (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=790&position=P) and Rafael Soriano (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1100&position=P) are landing multi-year deals, the injury concerns for Francis seem to be somewhat overblown.

3. Bad Pitcher?

Finally, the ERA. I won’t spend too much time on this, because you can probably guess where this is going, but Francis’ combined 2008 and 2010 performance give him a 5.01 ERA, but only a 4.29 xFIP. The difference is, as always, BABIP and HR/FB rate. Francis allowed a .315 BABIP in 2008 and a .322 mark last year, which earned him the hittable label and prevented him from stranding runners, driving up his runs allowed total. You know what team has the lowest UZR in baseball over the last three years? The Colorado Rockies, with a -109.1 total (Brad Hawpe (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1885&position=OF) accounts for a whopping -59 runs of that total by himself).

Now, there’s some evidence to suggest that Coors Field might inflate BABIP, and part of the Rockies atrocious defensive ratings could be due to a park factor, but even if that is true, that is also something that is still out of Francis’ control and won’t be following him to Kansas City. Likewise, we shouldn’t overly surprised that a pitcher who has to spend half his time pitching at altitude had a higher than average HR/FB ratio. Let’s not get so caught up in the humidor that we stop giving Colorado pitchers any benefit for having to overcome a challenging home environment.

I’m not saying Francis is the best pitcher in baseball, but he has a pretty specific set of demonstrated skills that have been proven to work in the big leagues. He’s a lefty who pounds the strike zone, gets a decent amount of grounders, and misses enough bats to get a strikeout when he really needs it. His change-up is a legitimate weapon, so he doesn’t have much of a platoon split. His career numbers are pretty solid, especially for a guy who has spent his whole career in Colorado.

In a market where mediocre relievers are commanding decent money, there’s no reason why a talented 30-year-old lefty with decent ability and a pretty decent 2010 pitching line should have been ignored the way Francis was. He got caught in the perfect storm of velocity bias, ERA bias, and fear of injured pitchers, but kudos to Dayton Moore for overlooking these superficial problems and finding a pretty solid pitcher for bench player money.

FringeNC
01-15-2011, 12:13 PM
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-post-where-i-praise-dayton-moore/

Nice write-up. A DM move that is (not surprisingly) lauded by Saber crowd. That Francis signed such a nice contract suggests that there is still some mis-pricing going on in MLB.

KChiefs1
01-15-2011, 12:25 PM
http://www.royalsreview.com/2011/1/14/1935304/royals-stabilize-2011-starting-rotation-with-jeff-francis-signing


Royals Stabilize 2011 Starting Rotation With Jeff Francis Signing

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/profile_images/262409/CIMG0036_tiny.JPG by Will McDonald (http://www.sbnation.com/users/Will%20McDonald)

For months now it has been apparent that the Royals (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/teams/kansas-city-royals) were going to have to sign someone to complete the 2011 starting rotation. For next season, the only starters in place were Luke Hochevar (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/19835/luke-hochevar), Vin Mazzaro (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/68725/vin-mazzaro), Sean O`Sullivan (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/33338/sean-o-sullivan) and Kyle Davies. With Jeff Francis (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/544/jeff-francis) on the roster, the Royals get some insurance against the inevitable injury to one of those guys, as well as the ability to delay the appearance of one of their minor league arms.

Multiple sources have reported that Francis has been signed to one year/$2 million dollar contract, along with the inevitable Dayton Moore incentives clauses.

Reportedly, those incentives (which per MLB rules can only be tied to playing time or major awards) could add another $2 million dollars to Francis's salary. From a pure value standpoint, that's actually fairly significant, as it severely reduces the chances that Francis is a true bargain. Then again, if Francis is healthy enough to reach those incentives and presumably pitching well, he'll also likely be traded. So perhaps this point has just been overstated.

To be honest, Francis's numbers are better than I expected. In my mind, he's always been the prototypical underwhelming NL "Ace" pitcher with a whimpy repertoire.

That's undoubtedly a product of that Red Sox (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/teams/boston-red-sox)-Rockies (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/teams/colorado-rockies) World Series, which took place at the height of the disparity between the two leagues. In any case, the most relevant numbers for Francis come from last season, given that he missed all of 2009 due to a major injury. According to Fangraphs WAR, he was worth nearly two wins above replacement in 2010 (1.9 WAR). Here are the traditional stats:

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Generated 1/14/2011.

According to Baseball-Reference's less-FIP influenced WAR, Francis was merely a one win pitcher. Each system has its merits, but I prefer the Fangraphs model when it comes to predicting future performance.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/images/blog/star-divide.v5e9d7f1.jpg

I'm not particularly bullish about Francis's prospects in the AL, but the fact is, he's not being brought to KC to beat the Red Sox in Game One of the 2011 World Series. He's here to kill time basically, to make the grand time-filler of the 2011 season slightly more palatable. In the past, I've found these types of signings to be extremely annoying (Scott Elarton (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/577/scott-elarton), Joe Mays (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/33274/joe-mays), Brett Tomko (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/933/brett-tomko), etc) yet this time it feels different. At least, in 2011, there's presumably something worth waiting for.

Strangely too, the current crop of Royals minor league pitchers are actually worth some extra seasoning. As weird as it sounds, if they were worse, I'd want to see them pitch for the 2011 more.

So welcome, Jeff Francis! May your two to five months pitching for the Royals be the highlight of your career!

KChiefs1
01-15-2011, 12:35 PM
I'll throw something out there for the Royals experts:

Any chance the Royals sign a setup guy for their bullpen from free agency?

Grant Balfour & Brian Fuentes haven't signed anywhere yet.

Thoughts?

Rams Fan
01-15-2011, 12:36 PM
I'll throw something out there for the Royals experts:

Any chance the Royals sign a setup guy for their bullpen from free agency?

Grant Balfour & Brian Fuentes haven't signed anywhere yet.

Thoughts?

Balfour just signed with the Athletics.

alnorth
01-15-2011, 12:42 PM
Its possible, DM said he wanted to sign a couple pitchers and he's got one so far.

We aren't getting Balfour, he just signed with the A's today (2 years at about 4M per, plus 3.5M option for 3rd year)

Brian Fuentes would be rather expensive. I'm not a big fan of this new trend of paying 50-60 inning setup men almost 10 million per year.

Rams Fan
01-15-2011, 12:43 PM
Its possible, DM said he wanted to sign a couple pitchers and he's got one so far.

We aren't getting Balfour, he just signed with the A's today (2 years at about 4M per, plus 3.5M option for 3rd year)

Brian Fuentes would be rather expensive. I'm not a big fan of this new trend of paying 50-60 inning setup men almost 10 million per year.

It seems like Fuentes is also about to sign with the A's.

WilliamTheIrish
01-15-2011, 12:44 PM
Good thread. Time to let the 2010 thread float to the bottom. Fortunately we have enough KSU anchor fans to drag it under.

KChiefs1
01-15-2011, 01:03 PM
Its possible, DM said he wanted to sign a couple pitchers and he's got one so far.

We aren't getting Balfour, he just signed with the A's today (2 years at about 4M per, plus 3.5M option for 3rd year)

Brian Fuentes would be rather expensive. I'm not a big fan of this new trend of paying 50-60 inning setup men almost 10 million per year.

Dave Bush, Doug Davis, Kevin Millwood, Jeremy Bonderman or Bruce Chen?

Infidel Goat
01-15-2011, 01:54 PM
Sign Chen and be finished with it.

Bowser
01-15-2011, 01:55 PM
Good thread. Time to let the 2010 thread float to the bottom. Fortunately we have enough KSU anchor fans to drag it under.

Meet the New Royals, same as the Old Royals! Except with less Grienke.....

alnorth
01-15-2011, 04:23 PM
Sign Chen and be finished with it.

Done, Royals signed Bruce Chen today. 1 year, $2MM plus a possible $1.5MM in incentives.

Thats one thing different about Dayton Moore, most incentive clauses are little trivial throw-ins, but DM loves those huge incentives.

KChiefs1
01-15-2011, 04:26 PM
Done, Royals signed Bruce Chen today. 1 year, $2MM plus a possible $1.5MM in incentives.

Thats one thing different about Dayton Moore, most incentive clauses are little trivial throw-ins, but DM loves those huge incentives.

I'm good with this. :thumb:

DeezNutz
01-15-2011, 04:26 PM
Done, Royals signed Bruce Chen today. 1 year, $2MM plus a possible $1.5MM in incentives.

Thats one thing different about Dayton Moore, most incentive clauses are little trivial throw-ins, but DM loves those huge incentives.

Good signing, but I'm going to be shocked if Chen doesn't drink from a dick sock this season.

He has had two productive seasons in his career. '05 and '10.

doomy3
01-15-2011, 04:34 PM
Done, Royals signed Bruce Chen today. 1 year, $2MM plus a possible $1.5MM in incentives.

Thats one thing different about Dayton Moore, most incentive clauses are little trivial throw-ins, but DM loves those huge incentives.

That'll work.

So, how do you think our rotation will shake out?

Who starts on opening day?

I still can't believe we got the best we could get for DeJesus.

DeezNutz
01-15-2011, 04:36 PM
That'll work.

So, how do you think our rotation will shake out?

Who starts on opening day?

I still can't believe we got the best we could get for DeJesus.

Hochevar. :facepalm:

And if he goes full himself in Spring Training, I could see Francis taking the ball on Opening Day.

doomy3
01-15-2011, 04:39 PM
Hochevar. :facepalm:

And if he goes full himself in Spring Training, I could see Francis taking the ball on Opening Day.

So:

Hochevar
Francis
Chen
Mazzaro
Davies

?


What do we do with O'Sullivan?

DeezNutz
01-15-2011, 04:42 PM
So:

Hochevar
Francis
Chen
Mazzaro
Davies

?


What do we do with O'Sullivan?

Long relief. Then wait until Hochevar re-injures his arm.

Demonpenz
01-15-2011, 04:44 PM
that #1 draft pick going to be our opening day starter bout time one of those draft picks worked out!

Infidel Goat
01-15-2011, 05:05 PM
:thumb:

And I could see us flipping him for prospects if he pitches like last year again..

Done, Royals signed Bruce Chen today. 1 year, $2MM plus a possible $1.5MM in incentives.

Thats one thing different about Dayton Moore, most incentive clauses are little trivial throw-ins, but DM loves those huge incentives.

SnakeXJones
01-15-2011, 05:10 PM
So:

Hochevar
Francis
Chen
Mazzaro
Davies

?


What do we do with O'Sullivan? What about Meche? Im sure he will injure himself in Spring Training but cant forget about Mr.Meche

CoMoChief
01-15-2011, 05:10 PM
So:

Hochevar
Francis
Chen
Mazzaro
Davies

?


What do we do with O'Sullivan?

HOLY SHIT watch out MLB world!!!!!

Royals may give up 10 runs per game.

CaliforniaChief
01-15-2011, 05:10 PM
What's Mark Redman up to these days? Hanging out with Todd Bouman on the farm waiting for the phone to ring?

doomy3
01-15-2011, 05:11 PM
What about Meche?

He's an $11 million reliever now.

SnakeXJones
01-15-2011, 05:19 PM
He's an $11 million reliever now. Im sure he is having thoughts about killing Hillman

doomy3
01-15-2011, 05:30 PM
Im sure he is having thoughts about killing Hillman

Maybe you misread my post. He is an ELEVEN MILLION DOLLAR LONG RELIEVER.

Life could be much tougher.

But yeah, Hillman misused him badly, although Meche asked for it really. He basically refused to come out of games, and Hillman was too big of a pussy to tell him to sit down.

SnakeXJones
01-15-2011, 05:49 PM
Maybe you misread my post. He is an ELEVEN MILLION DOLLAR LONG RELIEVER.

Life could be much tougher.

But yeah, Hillman misused him badly, although Meche asked for it really. He basically refused to come out of games, and Hillman was too big of a pussy to tell him to sit down. His contract ends after this coming season am I wrong?

Royal Fanatic
01-15-2011, 05:56 PM
Im sure he is having thoughts about killing Hillman

Trey Hillman has to be one of the dumbest managers in baseball history. What he did to Meche is criminal.

DeezNutz
01-15-2011, 06:12 PM
Maybe you misread my post. He is an ELEVEN MILLION DOLLAR LONG RELIEVER.

Life could be much tougher.

But yeah, Hillman misused him badly, although Meche asked for it really. He basically refused to come out of games, and Hillman was too big of a pussy to tell him to sit down.

Ultimately, the blame goes to Dayton Moore. When he saw his manager abuse one of the most expensive commodities on the team, he has to ensure that it stops. Immediately.

He didn't.

Mr. Laz
01-15-2011, 06:14 PM
Im sure he is having thoughts about killing Hillman
i don't know why, it's his own dam fault. He is the one that pushed Hillman to leave him in games.

DeezNutz
01-15-2011, 06:23 PM
i don't know why, it's his own dam fault. He is the one that pushed Hillman to leave him in games.

What?

It's baseball culture for a pitcher never to want to leave a game. If he did, he'd be considered a bitch by his teammates. The manager's job is to actually, you know, manage the players.

Hillman earned his "barnyard" nickname, and Moore was even dumber for allowing this clown to destroy Meche.

alnorth
01-15-2011, 06:52 PM
Maybe you misread my post. He is an ELEVEN MILLION DOLLAR LONG RELIEVER.

Life could be much tougher.

But yeah, Hillman misused him badly, although Meche asked for it really. He basically refused to come out of games, and Hillman was too big of a pussy to tell him to sit down.

I will never blame the pitcher for staying in a game. I'm no athlete, but its easy to imagine being at the pinnacle of your sport, adrenaline is pumping, you dont feel the tiredness, the pain doesn't seem like a big deal, you are completely into it breaking down the batter thinking about what pitches you want to go with, when you manager starts coming out? "Wait, no I've got this, please don't take me out, I've got this guy!", etc

The manager's job is to say "I don't want to hear it, give me the ball". If the pitchcount isn't high and its just a game situation where you dont know if he has it today or not and the pitcher wants to convince you to leave him in, fine. When he's thrown way too many pitches, its not some sort of perfect game/no-hitter situation, and you are going out to save his arm, you don't get talked out of that no matter what he wants to say.

duncan_idaho
01-15-2011, 07:08 PM
Nice to see them add a couple of depth guys that can eat innings in Francis and Chen. Takes some pressure off the younger guys.

I could see Francis being this season's Wilson Betemit. Post-hype guy still in his prime production years. Gotta find some more experienced guys to blend with the youngsters coming up if you really want to make a run in 2013 and be a decent team in 2012.

doomy3
01-15-2011, 07:10 PM
I will never blame the pitcher for staying in a game. I'm no athlete, but its easy to imagine being at the pinnacle of your sport, adrenaline is pumping, you dont feel the tiredness, the pain doesn't seem like a big deal, you are completely into it breaking down the batter thinking about what pitches you want to go with, when you manager starts coming out? "Wait, no I've got this, please don't take me out, I've got this guy!", etc

The manager's job is to say "I don't want to hear it, give me the ball". If the pitchcount isn't high and its just a game situation where you dont know if he has it today or not and the pitcher wants to convince you to leave him in, fine. When he's thrown way too many pitches, its not some sort of perfect game/no-hitter situation, and you are going out to save his arm, you don't get talked out of that no matter what he wants to say.

Yeah, I know. That's why I called Hillman a pussy.

duncan_idaho
01-15-2011, 07:10 PM
I will never blame the pitcher for staying in a game. I'm no athlete, but its easy to imagine being at the pinnacle of your sport, adrenaline is pumping, you dont feel the tiredness, the pain doesn't seem like a big deal, you are completely into it breaking down the batter thinking about what pitches you want to go with, when you manager starts coming out? "Wait, no I've got this, please don't take me out, I've got this guy!", etc

The manager's job is to say "I don't want to hear it, give me the ball". If the pitchcount isn't high and its just a game situation where you dont know if he has it today or not and the pitcher wants to convince you to leave him in, fine. When he's thrown way too many pitches, its not some sort of perfect game/no-hitter situation, and you are going out to save his arm, you don't get talked out of that no matter what he wants to say.

Exactly right. Pitchers never want to give up the rock (I never did). Sometimes you pay for that with a major injury (again, I did).

The sport ethic demands that you be tough and gut it out, whether that's playing through a concussion in football or continuing to pitch even though you can't feel your fingers or even though your elbow is on fire.

Royal Fanatic
01-15-2011, 07:19 PM
Ultimately, the blame goes to Dayton Moore. When he saw his manager abuse one of the most expensive commodities on the team, he has to ensure that it stops. Immediately.

He didn't.
No. A GM can't micromanage like that. This is on the manager.

Mr. Laz
01-15-2011, 07:22 PM
What?

It's baseball culture for a pitcher never to want to leave a game. If he did, he'd be considered a bitch by his teammates. The manager's job is to actually, you know, manage the players.

Hillman earned his "barnyard" nickname, and Moore was even dumber for allowing this clown to destroy Meche.
a veteran pitcher like Meche shouldn't be such a bitch.

Hillman was weak but if you are bitching all the time to be left in the game and then that ends up hurting your arm then you have no room to cry.

DeezNutz
01-15-2011, 07:44 PM
No. A GM can't micromanage like that. This is on the manager.

Not really. When it gets to the point that a GM needs to step in, as he absolutely needed to do here, it's a clear sign that the manager must be fired because he's not managing the talent properly.

The problem with Moore is that he compounded his initial mistake in hiring Hillman.

And everything is ultimately DM's responsibility.

To Laz: Not sure how you're going to break the "tough guy mentality" that permeates any ML clubhouse. If a pitching coach/manager asks, "Can you go?" There is no other answer but, "Yes." Unless you're injured. It's the manager's stupidity in asking a question with an obvious answer.

KChiefs1
01-15-2011, 09:14 PM
Looks like Francis is stoked to be a Royal:

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2011/jan/15/francis-an-exciting-time-in-kc/


Francis: An exciting time in KC

Righty agrees to 1-year deal with Royals.

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Without making any predictions, Jeff Francis said he can see parallels between the young Kansas City Royals of 2011 and the pennant-winning Colorado Rockies he pitched for in 2007.

That’s one reason the 30-year-old left-hander agreed to terms on a one-year contract with Kansas City yesterday, a deal worth about $2 million.

“I think they’re on similar paths that Colorado was five or six years ago,” Francis said. “So, I’ve seen it happen, and I know it can be done. It’s certainly an exciting time for an organization.”

Francis was 17-9 with the Rockies in 2007 when they won 21 of 22 games in a September run to the National League wild-card spot and advanced to the club’s first World Series. He beat the Philadelphia Phillies in a playoff start but underwent arthroscopic surgery on his left shoulder in early 2009 and missed the entire season.

He came back in 2010 with spotty success, going 4-10 with a 5.00 ERA in 20 games.

For his career, Francis is 55-50 with a 4.77 ERA in 150 appearances, all but one as a starter.

Also yesterday, the Royals settled on a $1.4 million, one-year deal with outfielder Alex Gordon, leaving first baseman Billy Butler and right-handed pitchers Kyle Davies and Robinson Tejeda as the only arbitration-eligible players still unsigned.

Gordon has been a major disappointment since being the overall No. 2 pick in the 2005 draft. Projected as a future star at third base, he moved to the outfield last year after a stint in the minor leagues. He is a career .244 hitter with 45 home runs in 408 games for the Royals.

Gordon’s contract also includes $100,000 in performance bonuses.

Royal Fanatic
01-15-2011, 09:32 PM
Looks like Francis is stoked to be a Royal:

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2011/jan/15/francis-an-exciting-time-in-kc/
That's refreshing after the dick move that Greinke pulled.

BillSelfsTrophycase
01-15-2011, 09:59 PM
Good signing, maybe he's this year's Ankiel

KChiefs1
01-15-2011, 10:06 PM
In other news:

http://www.kmbc.com/r/26504755/detail.htm


George Brett Bridge Demolished Overnight

Span Set To Be Replaced In Time For Baseball Season



KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The George Brett Bridge over Interstate 70 near the Harry S. Truman Sports Complex was demolished late Friday, causing major traffic problems on I-70 for the weekend.


The bridge will be rebuilt over the next two months. Engineers said they hoped it would be ready to reopen before the Kansas City Royals open their season at Kauffman Stadium on March 31.


http://www.kmbc.com/sh/images/ibs_icon/hearst/video.gifRaw Video: George Brett Bridge Demolition (http://www.kmbc.com/video/26504704/detail.html)


Crews said they expect the debris from the demolition to be completely cleared before Monday morning's rush hour. Access to I-70 will be limited until the roadway can be cleared. Late Saturday morning, I-70 drivers were being forced to exit at Blue Ridge Cutoff and then get back on the highway on the other side of the street.


Slideshow: Blowing Up The George Brett Bridge (http://www.kmbc.com/slideshow/news/26505060/detail.html)


The bridge, which was named for Royals Hall of Fame slugger George Brett about 10 years ago, has been in need of repairs for years. Several years ago, chunks of concrete fell from the bridge onto I-70.


The project is part of a larger $32.4 million campaign to rebuild the I-70 interchange at Interstate 435. The project has been paid for by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.


Northside Detours (http://www.modot.org/kansascity/major_projects/documents/north_detour_map.pdf) | Southside Detours (http://www.modot.org/kansascity/major_projects/documents/south_detour_map.pdf) <!--stopindex-->

KChiefs1
01-15-2011, 10:38 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_17102118


Left-hander Francis finds a new home with Royals

<!--subtitle--><!--byline-->By Jim Armstrong
The Denver Post

Jeff Francis has seen countless other players come and go at Coors Field, and now it's his turn.

Francis, who started for the Rockies in Game 1 of the 2007 World Series, signed Friday with the Kansas City Royals, who offered him the only thing he was asking for: a chance to crack a big-league rotation.

"I've seen it happen to so many guys," Francis said. "It's part of the game. It's not something I'm angry about or disappointed about. It's a step in the right direction for my career, so I've got to take it."

Francis, who won 55 games with the Rockies after being selected in the first round of the 2002 draft, was very popular among his teammates. So it was that, despite a 2010 season in which he finished 4-6 with a 5.00 ERA after missing all of 2009 with shoulder problems, the Rockies offered him $1 million guaranteed and an invitation to spring training as a nonroster player.

The Royals stepped up with $2 million, a spot on their 40-man roster, and a legitimate shot at making the rotation. They also had something no other team could offer: Bob McClure as their pitching coach. McClure spent seven years in the Rockies' minor-league system and worked extensively with Francis as he ascended to the big leagues.

"My first priority is to go out and pitch," Francis said. "Being able to work with Bob again is a bonus, for sure. I think I'll be there as long as I can stay effective and stay healthy. I don't have any expectations numbers-wise, but it's a sink-or-swim kind of deal. If I go out and do pretty well, I could have a number of years left in me. If I don't, I won't."

Francis, who turned 30 last week, had known for several weeks that the Rockies couldn't offer him what some other clubs could. He received interest from a handful of teams — the Mets, Rangers and Pirates among them — but chose Kansas City, a franchise that has long been reduced to bottom-feeder status.

"There's sort of a bittersweet feeling," he said. "It's not something I've done totally by choice, but it's a necessary thing to happen. Personally, for my career, it's probably the best move."

Yes, Francis said, it will seem strange going to spring training with a new team, having spent his entire career with the Rockies. And he's disappointed he won't be able to report to the Rockies' new spring digs in Scottsdale, Ariz., after all those years in Tucson.

"It's tough," he said. "I know how special it is with the Rockies. They're the only team I've ever known. It would have been nice to see that gorgeous new complex, but I'll just have to see it as a visiting player, I guess."

Said Francis, when asked if he wanted to leave a message for Rockies fans: "The fans have been so good to me. They've stuck with me for a long time, as did the organization.


Thank you wouldn't be enough."

KChiefs1
01-15-2011, 11:08 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110115&content_id=16444264&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb


Royals sign Chen to one-year contract

By Dick Kaegel / MLB.com

KANSAS CITY -- All of a sudden, the Royals can't sign enough left-handed pitchers. On Saturday they brought back Bruce Chen, their top winner from last season.

Chen signed for $2 million plus performance bonuses just one day after the club pulled in another free agent left-hander, Jeff Francis. Both contracts are pending physical examinations.

"I'm very pumped, and I'm very happy, and this is the team I want to help," Chen said. "Today has been a very good day."

This broadens the Royals' rotation possibilities to those two veteran lefties plus right-handers Luke Hochevar, Kyle Davies, Vin Mazzaro, Sean O'Sullivan and a pack of young prospects.

"He was in our rotation last year, and certainly we've got a lot of depth and competition at this point, but he should be certainly one of the favorites to win a spot," general manager Dayton Moore said.

Chen had been seeking a multiyear contract as a free agent.

"I always wanted to be back here, and when it became apparent I wasn't going to get a two-year deal, then I tried to work things out with Kansas City for a one-year deal," Chen said.

"And with the signing of Francis, I was even more excited, because I felt like we were going in the right direction, and we feel like we can win this year."

There was an odd twist to the 2010 season. Zack Greinke was coming off a Cy Young Award year, and Chen began the season with Triple-A Omaha. Yet when the final stats were posted, Chen had a 12-7 record to Greinke's 10-14, and both finished with the same ERA, 4.17.

Now Chen is coming back, and Greinke has been traded to the Brewers.

"It was crazy," Chen said. "Zack Greinke is a very, very good pitcher, and we're going to miss him a lot, but we got some really good players in return."

Moore doubts there will be any more free-agent signings or deals before Spring Training.

"I think we're pretty set," he said. "I think we'll go into camp with what we've got at this point unless something opens up that we're not aware of."

Chen, 33, was plucked from near obscurity by the Royals before the 2009 season. He'd undergone Tommy John surgery, and after 10 Major League seasons, his career was on shaky ground. But he kept getting stronger and peaked toward the end of last season.

"Bruce had an exceptional year for us last year," Moore said. "Between him and [Joakim] Soria, they were the two most consistent pitchers on our staff. He has a lot of pitching skills and just kept getting better and better."

Chen's 12 wins were the most by a Royals left-hander since Charlie Leibrandt won 13 and Floyd Bannister won 12 in 1988. Chen worked six perfect innings in a July 3 victory over the Angels and posted a two-hit shutout over the Rays on Oct. 1.

"As the season progressed, I thought I finished stronger, my pitches were better and I had better command," he said. "I basically applied everything I had learned about myself."

Chen lives in Surprise, Ariz., site of the Royals' training complex, and has been working out there. He's well aware of the large contingent of young pitchers, many of them lefties, who will be in camp.

"It's very good for the organization," he said. "I've seen a couple of the guys -- [Danny] Duffy, [Mike] Montgomery and [John] Lamb -- and I think they're a very talented group. The Royals are going to be good for a long time."

In that scenario, Moore sees a plus in the signings of Chen and Francis.

"It puts us in a position where we don't to have to rush any of our young kids," Moore said. "It just keeps them going a step at a time."

Chen also has the reputation of being a good guy to have in the clubhouse.

"Terrific," Moore said. "He's got great leadership skills, and I know that his teammates will be very excited that he's back."

Yep, after years of few left-handed pitchers on the Royals' roster, they just keep coming.

"And we're going to keep signing them -- out of the Draft and everywhere else," Moore said.

kcfanXIII
01-15-2011, 11:17 PM
Here is a list of things that excites me about the Royals 2011 season:

Only being one year closer to the death of that worthless POS owner. Just hope the death tax is high enough that his kids have to sell.

Brianfo
01-15-2011, 11:19 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110115&content_id=16444264&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

Wow. Didn't see it coming. WOW,

cabletech94
01-15-2011, 11:20 PM
Only being one year closer to the death of that worthless POS owner. Just hope the death tax is high enough that his kids have to sell.

i just laughed out loud. sadly tho, they'd sell the team to nashville or something, right about the time to watch the nashville royals win the 2014-2017 world series'.

KChiefs1
01-16-2011, 09:38 AM
Good signing, maybe he's this year's Ankiel

Mellinger on Francis:

http://mellinger.kansascity.com/entries/jeff-francis-and-what-he-means-now-and-future/


On Jeff Francis and what he means for the now and future

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Jeff Francis once represented the future. He was young, an emerging ace and a face of one of baseball’s most promising youth movements. This was back in 2007, when the Rockies were the talk of the baseball world, winners of 21 of 22 games that turned a 6 1/2 game deficit in the NL West into the franchise’s first World Series appearance.

They had something like 16 homegrown players on that team, exactly the kind of transformation that small-money organizations drool over, and Francis was the most effective pitcher on the team*.

* Though he gave up 10 hits and six runs in his only World Series start, and this was the same year Ubaldo Jiminez debuted with 15 starts in the second half of the year.

Of course, that was four seasons ago, a lifetime in baseball years, and Francis is no longer a 26-year-old lefty ace with the world in front of him but a 30-year-old redemption project coming off a major shoulder surgery.

Francis (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/francje01.shtml) is a Royal now, signed to a one-year deal worth $2 million guaranteed and another $2 million in incentives. This is a classic Dayton Moore signing in so many ways.

Francis (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4684&position=P) is talented, at one time thought to be one of the brightest young pitchers in baseball, and now needs a place to get his career back on track. He has a reputation as a good teammate, solid guy, hard worker, all that stuff. The only thing he’s missing is he never played in Atlanta or Seattle.

So what does all this mean? Well, for relatively little money, the Royals get a guy who could be an interesting trade chip in July and/or an innings eating starter to take pressure off younger, more important pitchers the Royals have in Kansas City and in their system. If it doesn’t work out, $2 million isn’t a bad gamble.

This is just speculation, but the Royals would probably still be interested in adding another veteran pitcher. Kevin Millwood’s name is out there, but he’ll command significantly more money than Francis, even at 36 years old and coming off a dreadful 2010 season in which he went 4-16 with a 5.10 ERA*.

* Only James Shields (117), A.J. Burnett (109) and, ahem, Kyle Davies (109) gave up more earned runs than Millwood last year. Brewers ace Zack Greinke was seventh with 102, though he probably only cared about 60 of those.

Anyway, the most significant part of this signing is that it’s a hard one to criticize and, not that the rest of us are always (or even a lot of times) right in these matters, but with a freight train full of high-end prospects scheduled to arrive in Kansas City over the next season or two, Royals fans would LOVE to be reassured that Moore and the front office can/will surround the kids with adequate pieces to make a run in the AL Central.

Of course, the last time most people really liked one of Moore’s signings, didn’t it turn out to be Juan Cruz?

DeezNutz
01-16-2011, 09:44 AM
Awesome line about Greinke. LMAO.

JASONSAUTO
01-16-2011, 09:48 AM
Awesome line about Greinke. LMAO.

For sure.lol funny
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KChiefs1
01-16-2011, 09:51 AM
So:

Hochevar
Francis
Chen
Mazzaro
Davies
?

What do we do with O'Sullivan?

Before Chen was resigned:

http://royalsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/721


Let’s start this post with a simple little exercise.

Here are the 2010 numbers of five starting pitchers. And you can pick just one to be your opening-day starter.

Pitcher A: 8-12, 5.34 ERA, 78 ERA+*, 1.557 WHIP*
Pitcher B: 4-6, 5.00 ERA, 93 ERA+, 1.361 WHIP
Pitcher C: 6-6, 4.81 ERA, 87 ERA+, 1.427 WHIP
Pitcher D: 3-6, 6.11 ERA, 69 ERA+, 1.557 WHIP
Pitcher E: 6-8, 4.27 ERA, 97 ERA+, 1.447 WHIP

*Just to be clear: ERA+ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjusted_ERA%2B) is a stat that adjusts a pitcher’s ERA to account for ballpark factors and the average ERA of the pitcher’s league; the average ERA+ is set to 100. And WHIP, of course, is walks plus hits, divided by innings pitched.

I left out plenty of context … the pitcher’s career numbers, his age, his strikeout totals, his number of innings, and so on.

But here’s the question: Who are you starting on opening day?

Well, let's see: I suppose you could maybe make an argument for Pitcher B. But using these four metrics, it would appear that Pitcher E has the edge. Right?

Well, congratulations Vin Mazzaro, you are the Royals’ opening day starter. Maybe you had that figured out by now. And maybe you’ve already guessed the identity of the other pitchers.

So let’s go ahead and unveil the rest (along with their ages):

Pitcher A: Kyle Davies, 27
Pitcher B: Jeff Francis, 30
Pitcher C: Luke Hochevar, 27
Pitcher D: Sean O’Sullivan, 23
Pitcher E: Vin Mazzaro, 24

...Now to the point: The Royals on Friday agreed to terms on a one-year deal with Jeff Francis (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/01/14/2583478/royals-agree-to-deal-with-lefty.html), adding a veteran left-hander with playoff experience and one serious injury to a paper-thin rotation.

Francis (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/francje01.shtml), who turned 30 earlier this month, gets $2 million plus incentives. And the Royals get a pitcher who is 55-50 with a 4.77 ERA in 150 career appearances (149 starts) for the Colorado Rockies from 2004-2010.

Let's review for a second: A former mainstay in the Rockies rotation, Francis went 17-9 with a 4.22 ERA in 2007 — and even started game one of the World Series against the Red Sox.

But you probably know what happened next. He missed the entire 2009 season after having surgery to repair a torn labrum in his left shoulder. He returned in 2010, but at age 30, there was no guarantee that he would be in the Rockies rotation in 2011.

So now he comes to Kansas City, where — and this may be hard to believe — he becomes an immediate contender to start on opening day*.

*He’ll also be reunited with Royals pitching coach Bob McClure, who worked in the Colorado minor-league system as Francis worked his way to the big leagues.

This perhaps says more about the Royals, of course. And he probably won’t. The Royals have continually expressed faith and confidence in Hochevar, who still has the stuff of a true No. 2 or No. 3 starter — and the ability to shut down an average offense on occasion.

And while a rotation of Hochevar, Davies, Francis, Mazzaro and O’Sullivan is easy to project now, it’s no sure thing.

The Royals have pledged to give young left-handers Everett Teaford and Danny Duffy a hard look in spring training; and club officials are still high on 2009 first-round pick Aaron Crow, even after an ugly campaign in 2010 that included a demotion from Class AA Northwest Arkansas to Class A Wilmington.

But right now, with snow still coverings the streets in Kansas City, Francis seems likely to take the mound sometime during the first week of the season — another redemption song (http://mellinger.kansascity.com/entries/jeff-francis-and-what-he-means-now-and-future/)on a team with a growing collection of them.

We don’t know how the Francis signing will pan out, but the strategy seems pretty clear.

The Royals are waiting on a cache of top prospects. And in the meantime, they appear motivated to buy low on a handful of reclamations projects.

jbwm89
01-17-2011, 09:14 PM
Alright everybody what is the situation at catcher? (Kendall aside)

DeezNutz
01-17-2011, 09:16 PM
Alright everybody what is the situation at catcher? (Kendall aside)

Pena.

He deserves to be the everyday catcher, even if/when Kendall returns. Start Pena, hope that one of the minor league n00bs develops.

Move Myers to RF immediately.

jbwm89
01-17-2011, 09:20 PM
Pena.

He deserves to be the everyday catcher, even if/when Kendall returns. Start Pena, hope that one of the minor league n00bs develops.

Move Myers to RF immediately.

I agree, Pena's defense better improve though. What about May/Pina? I would hope one of the two would be solid defensively bc I could see Pena costing us a lot of runs.

BillSelfsTrophycase
01-17-2011, 09:21 PM
Alright everybody what is the situation at catcher? (Kendall aside)


This sums it up :banghead::banghead::banghead:

DeezNutz
01-17-2011, 09:35 PM
I agree, Pena's defense better improve though. What about May/Pina? I would hope one of the two would be solid defensively bc I could see Pena costing us a lot of runs.

Not true. His Rdrs (defensive runs saved--above or below average) for '10 was zero. He is the model of "average."

Generally speaking, a catcher's defensive worth is over-worried about, and the notion that he can "help develop a staff" is a farce. It's what stupid management folks say to continue employing stiffs like Kendall.

jbwm89
01-17-2011, 09:37 PM
Not true. His Rdrs (defensive runs saved--above or below average) for '10 was zero. He is the model of "average."

Generally speaking, a catcher's defensive worth is over-worried about, and the notion that he can "help develop a staff" is a farce. It's what stupid management folks say to continue employing stiffs like Kendall.

I am just going on the game I watched (I would say about80%) and I thought his defense was pretty poor. I did catch less and less games as the year went on and his pt increased.

DeezNutz
01-17-2011, 09:41 PM
I am just going on the game I watched (I would say about80%) and I thought his defense was pretty poor. I did catch less and less games as the year went on and his pt increased.

He was notably atrocious in his first couple of games, but I attribute this to the fact that he never played.

Once he played more regularly than once every two months, he was fine. The number here don't lie; he's an ok defensive catcher.

jbwm89
01-17-2011, 09:43 PM
He was notably atrocious in his first couple of games, but I attribute this to the fact that he never played.

Once he played more regularly than once every two months, he was fine. The number here don't lie; he's an ok defensive catcher.

That is good to hear, I think he is decent enough with the bat (especially for a team that lacks power). He better get a good long look this year, last year was ridiculous.

doomy3
01-18-2011, 10:49 AM
Apparently, Gil Meche has decided to retire...

DeezNutz
01-18-2011, 10:58 AM
Apparently, Gil Meche has decided to retire...

Our payroll is going to be laughably low. Not saying this as a criticism, yet. Just saying...

Bambi
01-18-2011, 11:02 AM
Apparently, Gil Meche has decided to retire...

Is he paying back money?

Reaper16
01-18-2011, 11:05 AM
Such pride in Gil. He just refused $12 million because pitching in relief for a few months before going on the 60-Day DL again is too demoralizing.

KCUnited
01-18-2011, 11:07 AM
Every starter in the Dodgers rotation just said a prayer that Mattingly never gets tossed from a game.

Bambi
01-18-2011, 11:07 AM
Such pride in Gil. He just refused $12 million because pitching in relief for a few months before going on the 60-Day DL again is too demoralizing.

Good for him. :clap:

CHENZ A!
01-18-2011, 11:11 AM
Apparently, Gil Meche has decided to retire...

Really?

That.. Is.... Awesome.
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alnorth
01-18-2011, 11:16 AM
Freaking awesome. My opinion of Meche's contribution to the Royals vs his cost just went up from a bit disappointed, to ambivalent. We were on the hook, and he gave us a gift. He just saved us one hell of a lot of money.

I expect us to bank this unexpected found money for the future.

doomy3
01-18-2011, 11:18 AM
Freaking awesome. My opinion of Meche's contribution to the Royals vs his cost just went up from a bit disappointed, to ambivalent. We were on the hook, and he gave us a gift. He just saved us one hell of a money.

I expect us to bank this unexpected found money for the future.

Yep, I agree. This is like the scholarship player who can't get on the court deciding to "transfer" just as there is a 5 star recruit who wants to commit.

DeezNutz
01-18-2011, 11:19 AM
Freaking awesome. My opinion of Meche's contribution to the Royals vs his cost just went up from a bit disappointed, to ambivalent. We were on the hook, and he gave us a gift. He just saved us one hell of a money.

I expect us to bank this unexpected found money for the future.

I agree. But let's remember this monetary gift and revisit this expectation in about 12 months.

CaliforniaChief
01-18-2011, 11:22 AM
Here's the link:

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/18/gil-meche-announces-his-retirement/



This is kind of a shocker: Royals starter Gil Meche has announced his retirement. This despite the fact that he has about $12 million left on his contract.

Of course Meche has had chronic shoulder trouble since 2009. Much of it due, one presumes, to Trey Hillman absolutely grinding him into dust. Rany Jazayerli has chronicled this, the most notorious example of which was Hillman sending Meche out for 121 pitches in a game in 2009 as Meche was suffering from dead arm and trying to overcome various ailments. Maybe Meche goes down anyway, but it was pretty inexcusable all the same.

That aside, Meche gave Kansas City their money’s worth for the first two years of the deal, putting up an ERA+ of 125 and 110, respectively, while pitching over 200 innings. In the past two seasons Meche only made 43 appearances, 32 of which were starts. He had certainly lost effectiveness and velocity. He apparently believes that it’s not coming back. Sad to see it end for Gil Meche, but it’s good to see someone comfortable enough with himself and his place in the game to where he can walk away like this.

Ask yourself, though: would you leave $12 million on the table like this? When you could simply hang around the team, sit in the dugout and collect the checks? Most of us would probably say that we couldn’t do that if we knew we couldn’t pitch anymore, but most of us would probably be lying.

Enjoy retirement, Gil.

alnorth
01-18-2011, 11:26 AM
Yep, I agree. This is like the scholarship player who can't get on the court deciding to "transfer" just as there is a 5 star recruit who wants to commit.

dude, lets not downplay what he's doing, this is an incredibly classy departure, just an outright gift. My opinion of him as a good honest man has just shot up.

He could have easily just gutted it out, thrown in relief for a couple months until his arm gave out again, sat his butt on the DL for most of the season, and cashed his $12MM check. He's said earlier last year that he felt guilty about taking a lot of money without delivering a good performance, well he basically proved that he was serious by walking away from a huge free pile of money.

Who does that? I'm not sure I would have.

DeezNutz
01-18-2011, 11:27 AM
dude, lets not downplay what he's doing, this is an incredibly classy departure, just an outright gift. My opinion of him as a good honest man has just shot up.

He could have easily just gutted it out, thrown in relief for a couple months until his arm gave out again, sat his butt on the DL for most of the season, and cashed his $12MM check. He's said earlier last year that he felt guilty about taking a lot of money without delivering a good performance, well he basically proved that he was serious by walking away from a huge free pile of money.

Who does that? I'm not sure I would have.

This is absolutely correct. And I'm pretty confident I would have played out the contract.

doomy3
01-18-2011, 11:27 AM
dude, lets not downplay what he's doing, this is an incredibly classy departure, just an outright gift. My opinion of him as a good honest man has just shot up.

He could have easily just gutted it out, thrown in relief for a couple months until his arm gave out again, sat his butt on the DL for most of the season, and cashed his $12MM check. He's said earlier last year that he felt guilty about taking a lot of money without delivering a good performance, well he basically proved that he was serious by walking away from a huge free pile of money.

Who does that? I'm not sure I would have.

I'm not downplaying what he's doing at all. I think it's awesome, and he is a stand up guy.

I'm saying that from the Royals' standpoint, this is similar to the transfer.

alnorth
01-18-2011, 11:32 AM
All that said, I also wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that he and the Royals agreed to some small severence to end the contract, maybe send 1 or 2 million his way. Meche did not have to do this at all.

It would be amazing if he just walked away and said "nah, go ahead and keep it all I want nothing in return, I'm done". For all we know maybe he actually did that. If not, I'd still be happy about this. If I was DM and Meche asked me if he could have just a couple million to walk away, I'd ask him which bank account he'd prefer.

KevB
01-18-2011, 11:39 AM
All that said, I also wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that he and the Royals agreed to some small severence to end the contract, maybe send 1 or 2 million his way. Meche did not have to do this at all.

It would be amazing if he just walked away and said "nah, go ahead and keep it all I want nothing in return, I'm done". For all we know maybe he actually did that. If not, I'd still be happy about this. If I was DM and Meche asked me if he could have just a couple million to walk away, I'd ask him which bank account he'd prefer.

Exactly. The $12M owed to Meche was a sunk cost at this point. In their budget, this is akin to the Yankees writing the Royals a check for $12M. As someone said earlier, it's found money. I hope the Royals throw a couple mil his way even if it wasn't negotiated that way.

alnorth
01-18-2011, 11:41 AM
Gil Meche's announcement:

After a lot of thinking and prioritizing of issues in my life I have decided to retire from baseball. As a competitor my entire life this is the hardest decision that I’ve ever faced, but it’s not fair to me, my family or the Kansas City Royals that I attempt to pitch anymore. I came into this game as a starting pitcher & unfortunately my health, more accurately, my shoulder, has deteriorated to the point where surgery would be the only option & at this stage of my life I would prefer to call it a career rather than to attempt to pitch in relief for the final year of my contract. I can’t thank the Kansas City Royals and their fans enough for my four seasons there and if I have any regret, it’s that we weren’t able to accomplish on the field what the goal was when I signed there.

doomy3
01-18-2011, 11:43 AM
Gil Meche's announcement:

Classy.

Sure-Oz
01-18-2011, 11:44 AM
Gil Meche's announcement:

Thank You GMDM and esp. Trey, that sucks. I still think he should've given a shot out of the pen.

DeezNutz
01-18-2011, 11:44 AM
Well done. Just absolutely well done.

That's a role model.

CaliforniaChief
01-18-2011, 11:45 AM
Gil Meche's announcement:

http://threadbombing.com/data/media/2/clapping.gif

KCScott
01-18-2011, 12:13 PM
yep - props to meche for not just milking the DM tit this year in relief then IR

BillSelfsTrophycase
01-18-2011, 12:16 PM
Apparently, Gil Meche has decided to retire...

Oh well, he'd be back on the DL by May anyway

*Edit* Reaper beat me to it


Happy trails Gil, I hope Hillman at least sends you a nice Christmas Card this year

KChiefs1
01-18-2011, 12:24 PM
Thanks Gil!

Have a great retirement party!

BillSelfsTrophycase
01-18-2011, 12:28 PM
Exactly. The $12M owed to Meche was a sunk cost at this point. In their budget, this is akin to the Yankees writing the Royals a check for $12M. As someone said earlier, it's found money. I hope the Royals throw a couple mil his way even if it wasn't negotiated that way.

Just gotta hope the don't waste it all on the next Jose Guillen

(or give Jason Kendall a raise)

kcfanXIII
01-18-2011, 12:32 PM
Good luck Gil. thank you for the effort you gave. Its a shame ownership/management don't share your competitive nature. If Glass shared your passion and respect for the game Royals fans could be proud of their team.

Bambi
01-18-2011, 01:11 PM
Keitzman ripping Meche.

wazimo
01-18-2011, 01:17 PM
Keitsman is a tool. I very rarely agree with anything he has to say. I switch to 610 when KK comes on.

alnorth
01-18-2011, 01:31 PM
Keitzman ripping Meche.

If true, then he is a blithering idiot. There is no angle, argument, thought, story, or explanation which should lead a rational person to rip Meche for retiring.

BillSelfsTrophycase
01-18-2011, 01:46 PM
Keitz is the biggest douchenozzle on KC sports radio, you know it's bad when you make Nick Wright's show look like an attractive alternative

DeezNutz
01-18-2011, 01:55 PM
If true, then he is a blithering idiot. There is no angle, argument, thought, story, or explanation which should lead a rational person to rip Meche for retiring.

His main argument was that Meche screwed the Royals by not having surgery or making any legitimate medical effort to get his arm healthy after the initial injury.

The fact that he's retiring was more an aside, a "yeah, that's nice."

I agree with KK that Meche should absolutely have had surgery and the team should have demanded it of him, but the dude played by his own rules while he was with KC.

doomy3
01-18-2011, 02:01 PM
Amando Gallaraga was designated for assignment today by the Tigers. Would like to see the Royals put in a claim for him. Could be a decent long reliever, or competition for a 4/5 starter.

alnorth
01-18-2011, 04:32 PM
update: Meche did not get any kind of settlement from the Royals, he apparently just straight-up walked away from $12.4MM without asking for a dime in return.

Sure-Oz
01-18-2011, 05:33 PM
Cya Meche, appreciate you doing the Royals a favor, Kietz stfu

KCUnited
01-18-2011, 05:34 PM
This is how bad this season is going to be, we can't even pay a guy $12 MM to sit and watch us lose 107 from the bullpen.

alnorth
01-18-2011, 05:53 PM
This is how bad this season is going to be, we can't even pay a guy $12 MM to sit and watch us lose 107 from the bullpen.

why would we want to? Its more like we were unexpectedly relieved of the burden of paying $12MM to dead weight.

KCUnited
01-18-2011, 06:00 PM
why would we want to? Its more like we were unexpectedly relieved of the burden of paying $12MM to dead weight.

It was a joke. I'm just getting my 2011 season ticket plan money's worth in smartassedness.

Meche just gave this team the biggest contribution he was able to.

DeezNutz
01-18-2011, 06:33 PM
This is how bad this season is going to be, we can't even pay a guy $12 MM to sit and watch us lose 107 from the bullpen.

Fever and White should get raises. Not only do they HAVE to watch, they can't curse about it like us dumbasses.

KCUnited
01-18-2011, 06:41 PM
Fever and White should get raises. Not only do they HAVE to watch, they can't curse about it like us dumbasses.

Fever maybe, I'm not sure they even pay Frank. He seems happy just to be there, bless his heart.

Kyle DeLexus
01-18-2011, 06:43 PM
Anyone going to the FanFest? I'll be working a booth and I'm excited to see some of the young guys that will be there.

Sure-Oz
01-18-2011, 06:46 PM
I'll be at opening day

KChiefs1
01-18-2011, 07:20 PM
Am I reading this right? The Royals payroll is now $33 million?

http://www.royalsreview.com/2011/1/15/1936765/royals-payroll-update#storyjump


I've inlcluded all of the changes from the Greinke trade, the Francoeur, Melky, and Francis signings, and the arbitration settlements to Betemit, Pena, Hochevar and Gordon. I've also revised my arbitraton estimates to Butler, Davies and Tejeda downward since Moore continues to get make really good arbitration deals.

Long story short, if Moore really meant it back in November when he said that the MLB payroll would be somewhere in the low 60's, then the Royals (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/teams/kansas-city-royals) still have a lot of money to spend...if they want to.


http://cdn1.sbnation.com/images/blog/star-divide.v5e9d7f1.jpg


<TABLE style="WIDTH: 464pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=618><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 104pt; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl64 height=20 width=138></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 72pt" class=xl64 width=96>2011</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 72pt" class=xl64 width=96>2012</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 72pt" class=xl64 width=96>2013</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 72pt" class=xl64 width=96>2014</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 72pt" class=xl64 width=96>2015</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl65 height=20>Gil Meche (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/574/gil-meche)</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl66>12.4</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl65 height=20>Billy Butler (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/258/billy-butler)</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl74>4.4</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>Arb 2</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>Arb 3</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl65 height=20>Joakim Soria (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/270/joakim-soria)</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl66>4</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl66>6 CO/.75 bo</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl66>8 CO/.75 bo</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl66>8.75 CO/.75 bo</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl65 height=20>Jason Kendall (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/702/jason-kendall)</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl66>3.75</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl65 height=20>Kyle Davies (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/997/kyle-davies)</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl74>2.7</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl65 height=20>Jeff Francoeur (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/960/jeff-francoeur)</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl66>2.5</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" class=xl72>4 MO</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl65 height=20>Jeff Francis (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/544/jeff-francis)</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" class=xl72>2</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl65 height=20>Luke Hochevar (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/19835/luke-hochevar)</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>1.76</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>Arb 2</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>Arb 3</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>Arb 4</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl65 height=20>Robinson Tejeda (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/140/robinson-tejeda)</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl74>1.6</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>Arb 3</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl65 height=20>Alex Gordon (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/261/alex-gordon)</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>1.4</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>Arb 3</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>Arb 4</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl65 height=20>Noel Arguelles (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/105911/noel-arguelles)</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl66>1.38</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl66>1.38</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl66>1.38</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl66>1.38</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow" class=xl68></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl65 height=20>Melky Cabrera (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/597/melky-cabrera)</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl66>1.25</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl73>Arb 4</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl65 height=20>Aaron Crow (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/105296/aaron-crow)</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl66>1</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl66>1.1</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow" class=xl68></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow" class=xl68></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow" class=xl68></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl65 height=20>Wilson Betemit (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/894/wilson-betemit)</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>1</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl73>Arb 3</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl65 height=20>Brayan Pena (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/996/brayan-pena)</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>0.66</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>Arb 2</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>Arb 3</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl65 height=20>Mike Aviles (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/31709/mike-aviles)</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow" class=xl75>0.45</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>Arb 1</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>Arb 2</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>Arb 3</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000" class=xl69></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl65 height=20>Chris Getz (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/32874/chris-getz)</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow" class=xl75>0.43</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>Arb 1</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>Arb 2</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>Arb 3</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl66></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl65 height=20>Mitch Maier (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/31369/mitch-maier)</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow" class=xl75>0.42</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>Arb 1</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>Arb 2</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67>Arb 3</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl66></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl65 height=20>Vin Mazzaro (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/68725/vin-mazzaro)</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow" class=xl75>0.42</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow" class=xl68></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl65 height=20>Alcides Escobar (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/31609/alcides-escobar)</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow" class=xl75>0.42</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow" class=xl68></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646" class=xl67></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl70 height=20>Yuniesky Betancourt (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/858/yuniesky-betancourt)</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl71>1</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl66></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl66></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl66></TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl66></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl70 height=20>Juan Cruz (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/768/juan-cruz)</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl71>0.5</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl76></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl77></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl77></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl77></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl80 height=20>TOTAL</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" class=xl64>45.44</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl78></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl79></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl79></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl79></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE style="WIDTH: 139pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=185><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 139pt; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl65 height=20 width=185>Guaranteed MLB contract</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl66 height=20>Pre-arbitration</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f79646; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl67 height=20>Arbitration</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c00000; HEIGHT: 15pt" class=xl68 height=20>Free Agency</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

That is $45.44 million for 18 players plus Crow, Arguelles and the remaining money due to Cruz and Betancourt. Add in league minimum for 7 more players and you get $48.35 million.

I imagine Dayton Moore will spend a little on a free agent reliever or two.

The big question is whether he'll throw millions at another free agent starting pitcher as an innings eater (someone like Kevin Millwood (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/139/kevin-millwood)) or another reclamation project (someone like Chris Young). There's certainly enough money to do any or all of the above.

While some free agent roster filler makes sense, I hope Moore saves the vast majority of the remaining money to use for a better purpose like amateur draft, Latin American free agents and future FA spending.

KChiefs1
01-18-2011, 07:56 PM
Rany on the Francis signing...before the Meche retirement:

http://www.ranyontheroyals.com/2011/01/two-lefties-make-it-right.html


Two Lefties Make It Right.



Hey, actual news!


I have only one problem with the Jeff Francis signing: I have no problem with the Jeff Francis signing.


In fact, it seems like no one has a problem with the Jeff Francis signing. No one has a problem with Jeff Francis, who as reclamation projects go is as good a risk as anyone on the market. Francis, a Canadian left-hander taken with the #9 overall pick in the 2002 draft, shot to the majors in barely two years with impeccable minor league numbers. After an uneven rookie season in 2005, Francis became the putative ace of the Rockies’ staff, with a 4.16 and a 4.22 ERA in 2006 and 2007 (in Coors Field, remember). He started Game 1 of the 2007 World Series against the Red Sox.


Then his shoulder went kablooey. Francis tore the labrum in his shoulder, an injury which was an almost certain career-ender just a few years ago. It took him two years to get back, but he returned in 2010 almost as good as new. His ERA wasn’t good (5.00), but his peripherals were. His strikeout rate dropped just a tick to 5.8 Ks per nine innings, not surprising for someone coming off major arm surgery – although, according to Fangraphs, his fastball velocity actually was up a tick (87.2) from his pre-surgery form (86.8). He showed the best command of his career – just 2.0 walks per nine innings – as well as the highest groundball rate of his career (47%). Add it all up, and his xFIP – a stat which estimates what a pitcher’s ERA ought to be with normal luck on balls in play – was just 3.94. That’s actually the best number of Francis’ career, and would make him an above-average pitcher.


Francis just turned 30 last week, and he’s a lefty, so it’s quite possible he has another decade left in the tank. He’s moving to the more difficult league, but he’s also moving from Coors Field to Kauffman Stadium. From a pure performance standpoint, there’s no reason to think Francis won’t help the Royals. The concern with Francis, if there is one, comes from a medical standpoint.


Labrum surgery is no joke, and as successful as Francis’ comeback has been to this point, it will be years before I’d feel comfortable about the long-term health of his shoulder. Francis returned to the Rockies’ rotation in mid-May, and made 16 starts without missing a beat, before he developed a sore shoulder and was out for a month. He returned on September 13 and made four appearances, and allowed 21 hits and 12 runs in 11.2 innings. He says his shoulder feels fine now. Gil Meche said the same thing.


But the Royals don’t have to worry about the long-term health of his shoulder, because they signed him for only one year (no surprise) and only $2 million guaranteed (mild surprise). That’s a terrific base salary for a pitcher with Francis’ track record, even one with his medical dossier.


It’s not the only bargain contract between a veteran pitcher and an AL Central team this week – the Tigers signed Brad Penny, who when healthy is probably better than Francis, for $3 million guaranteed. But it’s a very good deal in the grand scheme of things. For whatever reason, starting pitchers seem to be underpriced and relievers seem to be wildly overpriced, so good on the Royals for dipping their toes on only one side of the pool.


That’s the Yankees’ problem. Dayton Moore did good here. If Francis pitches poorly, the Royals are out no more than $2 million. (Remember, Moore guaranteed Horacio Ramirez $1.8 million to fill the same role two winters ago. For an extra $200,000, this time Moore signed an actual major league pitcher.) If Francis pitches well, or even sorta well, the Royals have a left-handed starting pitcher on the trade market come July – southpaws are catnip to GMs – right around the time they’ll need to open up a roster spot for another left-handed starter to be named later.


What’s not to love about the deal? Just one thing – the fact that everyone loves the deal. Given the last deal that everyone loved (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cruzju02.shtml), that makes me nervous.


The Royals signed a second left-hander for their rotation in the span of 48 hours yesterday, when they brought back Bruce Chen on a one-year deal. Chen will be working under almost the same contract that Francis signed; both players are getting $2 million guaranteed, but Chen has $1.5 million in incentives to Francis’ $2 million.


Given that the money is the same, there’s little question that Chen’s contract isn’t nearly as favorable as Francis, because Chen doesn’t project to pitch as well. That might surprise you if you’re fixated on Chen’s team-leading 12 wins, or even his team-leading 4.17 ERA. But Chen is a good candidate to regress for the same reason that Francis is a good candidate to improve; he didn’t pitch nearly as well as his ERA would suggest.


Chen struck out 6.3 batters per nine innings, which is right in line with his average strikeout rate going back to 2004 (prior to that he struck out 7 to 8 batters per nine innings, before his arm woes started to take their toll). He unintentionally walked 3.4 batters per nine, right around his career average of 3.3. And Chen, who has long been one of the most extreme flyball pitchers in the majors, continued that trend, getting groundballs on only 34% of balls in play.


So why was he so effective? Because only 8.1% of the flyballs he surrendered cleared the fence, well below his average of 13.3% going back to 2002 (when Fangraphs’ data starts). He was lucky. His xFIP was 5.01, which is to say, Chen really should have had Francis’ ERA, and Francis really should have had Chen’s ERA.


Having said all that, I still like the deal. The general expectation was that Chen would be looking for a multi-year contract after his season, and I have no doubt that he was. But he was unable to find one, and Moore was wisely unwilling to offer one. A one-year deal fits both Chen’s talent level and the long-term needs of the franchise. Chen lost about 1 mph on his fastball after Tommy John surgery; if he regains any velocity in his second full season after surgery, he may have some upside here. Even if he doesn’t, he still represents an improvement on whomever the Royals would have started in his place.


Prior to these two signings, the Royals had only four major league-caliber starters on their roster, and that’s only if your definition of “major league-caliber” is liberal enough to include Sean O’Sullivan. Now O’Sullivan is the nominal sixth starter, and hopefully ticketed for some remedial work in Triple-A where he can repeat Missing Bats 101.


The Royals just signed 40% of their starting rotation for $4 million guaranteed. That’s barely a third of what the Yankees – who are still two starters short of a rotation – will be paying Rafael Soriano in 2011 alone. That’s less than the Tigers will be paying Joaquin Benoit in 2011 alone. That’s the same money that the Dodgers will be paying Matt Guerrier for each of the next three years. And now the Royals’ rotation, while conspicuously missing anyone that remotely resembles an ace – or even a #2 starter – is at least filled.


I suspect Luke Hochevar will be given every opportunity to start Opening Day, both because the team wants to make their #1 overall pick in 2006 look good, and because Yost wants to continue to pump Hochevar full of confidence. Behind Hochevar, it will likely go Francis, Davies, Chen, and Mazzaro, with O’Sullivan as an emergency starter/injury replacement. And the Royals are perfectly situated to overhaul the rotation at mid-season.


Davies, Francis, and Chen will all be free agents at year’s end, and the Royals have half a dozen starters that may be knocking on the door of the majors at some point in 2011. By August 1st, I fully expect to see a rotation of Hochevar, Mazzaro, and three pitchers selected out of the Montgomery/Lamb/Crow/Dwyer/Duffy pile. I also expect that the Royals will have added a few more prospects to the stable.


But in the meantime, at least the Royals can field five major league-caliber starters. Along with a below average but not abominably bad lineup, and a bullpen that could be a lot stronger than most people expect, I imagine that the predictions that the Royals will lose 110 games this season will abate. And if they don’t, I expect that they will be wrong.


That’s not a bad deal for $4 million. Right now, the Royals’ payroll looks to settle at just under $50 million for 2011. That’s nothing to brag about, unless your David Glass’ accountant, but the combination of a low payroll and no salary commitments beyond 2011 gives Dayton Moore an uncommon amount of flexibility. He can go aggressive in the free agent market next winter; he can trade for overpaid, but still useful players without surrendering prospects in return; he can spend wildly in the draft and in Latin America.


If this is it for the off-season, I’m good. The Royals won’t be a good team in 2011, and they might be really bad. But at least they’ll be interesting. Last season, six of the nine guys in the Opening Day lineup were on the wrong side of 30 – David DeJesus, Jose Guillen, Rick Ankiel, Scott Podsednik, Jason Kendall, and Willie Bloomquist.


This year, the oldest hitter on the entire Opening Day roster will probably be Mike Aviles, who turns 30 in March. The only reliever over the age of 30 is Gil Meche. Only the rotation, where Francis is 30 and Chen is 33, isn’t overrun with youth – at least not yet.


With everyone looking towards 2012, Moore had a simple mandate for this off-season: fill some obvious holes without making any substantial commitments in terms of time or money. He was then thrown a curveball when the Zack Greinke situation became untenable. In the end, Moore signed a pair of outfielders in their mid-twenties to one-year contracts; signed a pair of left-handed starters on the comeback trail to one-year deals; and traded Greinke for four young players, two of whom figure to upgrade the team’s up-the-middle defense immediately.


In retrospect, the Melky Cabrera signing looks like a waste, since the Royals wound up trading for their long-term solution in center field in Lorenzo Cain just a few days afterwards. And the potential is there for the Royals to hamstring the rebuilding process slightly by playing Cabrera over Cain in center field, at least to start the year, if for no other reason than to game Cain’s service time.


But otherwise, it’s hard to fault with Moore’s winter. He has not made a move to – and has made no indications that he will – sign a veteran catcher to replace Kendall’s intangibles. He has committed to Alex Gordon in left field, and Kila Ka’aihue as his DH. He got rid of Yuni Effing Betancourt, for God’s sake. And in signing Francis and Chen, he has reduced the temptation to rush his young starters without blocking their path to the majors the minute they are deemed ready.


It wasn’t a perfect off-season, but it was as good as I could have hoped. I’m ready to wind this team up and watch it go. The sooner it departs, the sooner 2012 will arrive.

Sure-Oz
01-18-2011, 08:01 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/6810/meches-retirement-benefits-royals

Tuesday, January 18, 2011
Meche's retirement benefits Royals
By Rob Neyer
ESPN.com

Gil Meche is retiring?

"After a lot of thinking and prioritizing of issues in my life, I have decided to retire from baseball. As a competitor my entire life this is the hardest decision that I’ve ever faced, but it’s not fair to me, my family or the Kansas City Royals that I attempt to pitch anymore.

"I came into this game as a starting pitcher and unfortunately my health, more accurately, my shoulder, has deteriorated to the point where surgery would be the only option and at this stage of my life I would prefer to call it a career rather than to attempt to pitch in relief for the final year of my contract.

"I can’t thank the Kansas City Royals and their fans enough for my four seasons there, and if I have any regret, it’s that we weren’t able to accomplish on the field what the goal was when I signed there.”


Until today, Meche was the highest-paid Royal. By a LOT. He was slated to earn $12 million in 2011; next on the list is Joakim Soria, at $4 million. Jason Kendall ($3.75 million) and Jeff Francoeur ($2.5 million) are the only other Royals making more than $2 million in 2011.

To which I can only say, it's about damn time.

The Gil Meche contract was ridiculous the moment the Royals offered it, and only became more ridiculous the moment he signed it. There's just no sense in spending $55 million on any player if you're not going to contend, and when Meche signed that contract in December 2006 there was no reason to think the Royals were going to contend for anything but fourth place.

It's since been argued that Meche actually did OK. He pitched well in 2007 and 2008, gave the Royals some innings in 2009, and with a decent 2011 -- even just pitching out of the bullpen -- he could essentially give the Royals their $55 millions' worth.

Please.

The Royals threw $55 million into a giant sinkhole, $55 million that could have been better spent elsewhere. Exactly where, I don't know. But you'll have an awful hard time convincing me that 617 innings and a 4.27 ERA was the best way to spend $55 million. Or even a good way. And yes, hindsight it 20/20 but it's not like Meche had some brilliant history of success when the Royals signed him. It looked (to me) like a stupid move then, and it looks like a stupid move now.

Granted, theoretically the Royals don't owe him that $12 million this year, which would make the deal look quite a bit better. But I suspect that they'll pay him some chunk of that money, as a sort of settlement. It's just hard to see Meche leaving $12 million on the table, when to earn it all he'd have to do is throw 50 innings of relief or something this summer.

Either way, the Royals will have a tiny payroll this season, which should allow them to invest heavily in the draft, again. Which, considering their drafting success over the last three or four years, seems like a mighty good thing.

Sure-Oz
01-18-2011, 08:02 PM
Stay Douchey Rob

tk13
01-18-2011, 08:08 PM
You can't have it both ways. You have people saying the Royals don't spend enough money, then you have them saying guys like Meche are overpaid. Well, you aren't signing someone like Zack Greinke for $12 million a year.

DeezNutz
01-18-2011, 08:11 PM
Given our current payroll, which isn't necessarily a bad thing for '11, we're on the clock: if the pendulum doesn't start to swing the other way as the prospects come up and, we hope, produce, Glass needs to sell the team.

Sure-Oz
01-18-2011, 08:17 PM
glad we didn't trade for this clown


Milton Bradley arrested on felony charge


Bradley
According to King 5 Sports in Seattle, Milton Bradley was arrested on a felony in Los Angeles County.
We're still awaiting more details, but one would think this would finally be enough to void the rest of his contract. The troubled Bradley is still owed $12 million for the 2011 season. Stay tuned for more information as it is made available. Jan. 18 - 9:07 pm et
Source: King5Sports on Twitter

Demonpenz
01-18-2011, 08:20 PM
If Butler Gordon Guillen produce like they are supposed too then we could have had a nice #2 in meche, it didn't work out, but it gave us a pitcher with Major League credentials for awhile

alnorth
01-18-2011, 08:30 PM
Our payroll is going to be hilariously low this year and next year. This team is going to make an enormous profit, which if Glass was truthful in saying he wanted to be close to break even in the long run, means that extra money should be banked for the future. If we just arbitrarily threw 25-30 million on 1 or 2 players right now before we knew what we had in prospects, in a year where we have no chance, it would be a dumbass waste of money.

I'm fine with a tiny payroll this year. I expect that if ANYONE good falls in the draft due to signability, we'll hand out the bonus and steal the player in the 2nd or 3rd round. If one or more of our prospects turn out to be stars I expect us to start buying up free agency years. If we are good and need just a couple more pieces in the winter of 2012-2013 (catcher?), I expect us to buy those pieces and go for it.

We dont have to waste money for no good reason, if that extra money goes to the draft and to locking up/signing players in the future when we might actually need to spend the money, fine. If it goes to buy Wal-Mart stock when we really do need the money, not fine.

tk13
01-18-2011, 08:34 PM
If Rob really wanted be a stat guy and do the hard work, he'd look at Meche and break him down before and after Hillman destroyed him. But then what would he have to complain about...

2007 - 3.67 ERA, 62 BB, 156 K
2008 - 3.98 ERA, 73 BB, 183 K
2009 - 3.31 ERA, 31 BB, 67 K
(Up to 132 pitch game)

I'm not doing all the math, but his numbers from that 132 pitch CG to the end of his career:
Around 106 IP, 81 ER, 65 BB, 69 K

Those might be slightly off but it's in the neighborhood.

DeezNutz
01-18-2011, 08:37 PM
And with a gifted $12M, we should be hard to outbid in Latin America. Losing a top prospect because of $1-2M will be unacceptable.

alnorth
01-18-2011, 08:41 PM
This next draft may also be the last one without a hard-slotting system (both sides seem to agree somewhat on a slotting system for the next CBA), if that happens, it would take away the big advantage we shamelessly exploited to build up our monster farm system. This next draft is also apparently going to be deep and it may be our last chance to overpay for prospects.

Given that and all the pile of cash we saved, we should signal to all the best young players this year that we are ready to hand out bonuses, and just go hog-wild in the draft on anyone who falls.

Reaper16
01-18-2011, 08:53 PM
This next draft may also be the last one without a hard-slotting system (both sides seem to agree somewhat on a slotting system for the next CBA), if that happens, it would take away the big advantage we shamelessly exploited to build up our monster farm system. This next draft is also apparently going to be deep and it may be our last chance to overpay for prospects.

Given that and all the pile of cash we saved, we should signal to all the best young players this year that we are ready to hand out bonuses, and just go hog-wild in the draft on anyone who falls.
$12 million dollar draft! Let's sign the fuck out of some would-be college Freshmen. Yes, Mr. 39th round pick. We know you want to go to UC Irvine. But what if we give you $2.3 million?!?!?

KChiefs1
01-18-2011, 08:56 PM
Keitzman ripping Meche.

Dayton Moore straightened out KK during his show...check out the BTL podcast with Moore:

http://www.810whb.com/podcasts

siberian khatru
01-18-2011, 08:59 PM
If Rob really wanted be a stat guy and do the hard work, he'd look at Meche and break him down before and after Hillman destroyed him. But then what would he have to complain about...

2007 - 3.67 ERA, 62 BB, 156 K
2008 - 3.98 ERA, 73 BB, 183 K
2009 - 3.31 ERA, 31 BB, 67 K
(Up to 132 pitch game)

I'm not doing all the math, but his numbers from that 132 pitch CG to the end of his career:
Around 106 IP, 81 ER, 65 BB, 69 K

Those might be slightly off but it's in the neighborhood.

Or look at FanGraphs and see that Meche gave the Royals $47 million of value in his four years -- which exceeds the money they actually paid him during that time.

jbwm89
01-19-2011, 12:01 AM
The Meche signing was ok for more reasons that what he produced.

I know some people think this is bs but it showed player we were willing to pay for a FA and if you think about it there is no way ZG signed his first extension if Meche and some of the other moves that offseason aren't made.

alnorth
01-19-2011, 07:25 AM
Figures have been exchanged. Last year Butler made $470,000. Butler is seeking $4.3MM this year, and the Royals offered $3.4MM.

They are close enough that I think they will meet in the middle to avoid arbitration, something a little bit under 4.

KChiefs1
01-19-2011, 06:36 PM
glad we didn't trade for this clown


Milton Bradley arrested on felony charge


Bradley
According to King 5 Sports in Seattle, Milton Bradley was arrested on a felony in Los Angeles County.
We're still awaiting more details, but one would think this would finally be enough to void the rest of his contract. The troubled Bradley is still owed $12 million for the 2011 season. Stay tuned for more information as it is made available. Jan. 18 - 9:07 pm et
Source: King5Sports on Twitter

Hardball Times Story on Meche & Bradley:


Bradley, Meche and the rush to judgment

Posted by Larry Granillo

Milton Bradley (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=369&position=OF) was arrested on Tuesday afternoon on a felony count of making a “criminal threat." Details have been sketchy so far (but Hardball Talk (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/18/report-milton-bradley-arrested-on-felony-charge/) is doing a good job of keeping up on the story). “Code section 422” of the California penal code was cited.

With $12 million remaining on the three-year, $30 million deal Bradley signed with Jim Hendry and the Cubs after the 2008 season, Bradley invites many unflattering comparisons to someone who also made the news on Tuesday: Kansas City Royals pitcher Gil Meche (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1089&position=P), the default ace of the Royals staff when healthy. He announced Tuesday afternoon that he would be retiring, thus forgoing the $12 million Kansas City owner David Glass still owed him.

Superficially, the details are alike, with their ages (32 for Meche and 33 for Bradley) and the near-identical length and size of their contracts, but that’s about it. Meche is retiring because, he says, he doesn’t want to spend another year in the big leagues as a struggling reliever while recovering from surgery. The move is being played by journalists as a move by a man filled with integrity.

In Bradley’s case, the details can’t be much more frightening than they already are. Domestic violence is no laughing matter and, if the DA decides that there is enough evidence to prove the charges, things could go down the drain pretty quickly. But, unless the case leads to conviction, there is a good chance that Bradley will not lose a penny on his contract. Either way, there is hardly room for the word “integrity” in these Bradley stories.

Linking the two players in any way besides their age and contract status is counter-productive and unfair. Their similar contract terms are merely happenstance, as is their age. And the public perception of Milton Bradley is bad enough as it is; people shouldn’t be pouring gasoline on the flames—especially when we don’t know the full story. Comparing Bradley to a clean-cut Meche who is already being touted as a “good guy” for his decision only seeks to harm Bradley while doing nothing but incite controversy.

Until we know the full story behind each player, I hope that we can withhold judgment. There’s a lot to uncover and it serves no one to artificially speed up the process.

jbwm89
01-19-2011, 08:08 PM
This guy is the only person mentioning the two together, what a stupid article.

KChiefs1
01-19-2011, 08:51 PM
http://mellinger.kansascity.com/entries/zack-greinke-takes-break-vacation-talk-about-his-friend-gil-meche/#storylink=rss


Zack Greinke takes a break from vacation to talk about his friend Gil Meche

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You probably know that Gil Meche decided to retire, but if you’re like me you’re still stunned he’s walking away from $12.4 million. It’s a fascinating story, as I wrote this morning (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/01/18/2593700/money-meche-have-been-linked-throughout.html) the man is once again by defined by money — but this time it’s on his terms.

Meche made the 2007 All-Star team and finished fifth in strikeouts the next year, but as far as contributions to the Royals*, his legacy may be as Zack Greinke’s big brother. GM Dayton Moore has always credited Meche’s presence for allowing Greinke to “blend in,” and draws a direct connection to Zack’s success in 2008 and 2009.

* Of course, besides the money, Meche’s time in Kansas City will be remembered for his 132-pitch complete game against Arizona in June 2009. The story’s been told plenty, but then-manager Trey Hillman wanted to go to the bullpen after eight innings, but Meche essentially vetoed him. He got the shutout, but was never the same, the Royals completely mismanaging Meche after that. As obvious as the connection is, Meche has always defended Hillman and said the extra pitches had nothing to do with his failing health. Of course, it’s in Meche’s self-interest for that to be the case, too.

You don’t have to believe that (I tend to think it had more to do with Zack’s talent), but Moore does, and more importantly, Zack does, too. The Star’s badass Royals beat writer Bob Dutton reached Zack on vacation yesterday for a short conversation.

The first quote here appeared in Terez Paylor’s story (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/01/18/2593710/royals-meche-walks-away-from-last.html). The last one is pure Zack.

Anyway, here’s Zack on getting help from Meche:

“Gil definitely helped me a lot. It wasn’t so much talking about baseball as it was watching him go about his business. On game day, nobody was as focused as Gil. He took the ball and never wanted to come out of games. Other guys would see that (competitive fire). I tried to be like that. That was my goal.”

On Gil walking away from the money:

“That surprised me a little because he’s entitled to that money. He was legitimately injured. But I’m not that surprised. People don’t realize it, but most guys really don’t play the game because of money. And it drives most guys crazy when they’re injured and can’t earn their money. I know it bothered Gil. That’s why he came back as a reliever last season instead of having surgery. That was his decision, and I think he did a pretty good job for us.”

On the friendly competition between the two:

“In 2008, I was following him (in the rotation) and we would compete against one another. It was that way at the start of 2009, but then he got hurt.”

On Gil working on his golf game in retirement: “Yeah, but he probably still won’t be able to beat me.”
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jbwm89
01-20-2011, 12:02 AM
Gil Meche is on my good side, how can you not like a player like that?

Reaper16
01-20-2011, 12:22 AM
I wore my Gil Meche T-shirt Tuesday shirt from 2007 today in honor of his sacrifice.

Jayhawkerman2001
01-20-2011, 12:39 AM
its amazing to see a sports player pass up 12 or so million dollars because he feels bad that he wasnt going to be able to earn it. It's almost a breath of fresh air... I just hope that in a year or so we dont find out that this was just a sham and that he actually did take the money, they just wanted to make him look good, or didnt want the fans pissed that the team was giving up 12 mil for nothing

KChiefs1
01-20-2011, 07:32 AM
RoyalsReview did a fantastic breakdown of the Royals Prospects:

http://www.royalsreview.com/2011/1/17/1932566/royals-top-prospects-the-overview


If I were to lay out my blueprints for a great farm system, I would want some top notch bats at the top. Players who can get on base and have power. I would want to make sure their strikeouts aren't a big problem in the minors--as that can spell trouble at the big league level. Those top level hitting prospects are about the most valuable thing you can have in a farm system. For pitching, I would want depth--lots of it. The average return on pitching prospects has been about the same between pitchers ranked in the Top 10 and others ranked 11-50. I would want pitchers with good control and starters who know how to use a change-up. Of course, I would want some young international guys--both pitchers and position players with incredible tools/velocity. There would also be some bounce back candidates who are looking to improve after some disappointing years.

The Royals have all those things.

The Royals farm system has received some attention this off-season. It has become cliche to talk about all the prospects the Royals have. Of course, being attention-starved and beaten down Royals fans, we have struggled with how to handle this news. Some of us are excited at this twinkle of light on the horizon. Others are still cynical after the list of failures in the distant and recent past. I can't tell you who is right. I did a little series earlier in the off-season about what we can (and can't) expect from a top farm system--but that still leaves a broad range of possibilities in the future.
To the cynics, I would say that, with all the praise heaped on the Royals prospects, not one bit of it is undeserved. You can look at the Royals prospects a lot of different ways: the Top 3, Top 5, Top 10, Top 30. (Fangraphs did an interesting take here (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/royals-farm-system-best-of-the-decade/), but I find it problematic for a few reasons).
I have never seen a farm system with this combination of impact and depth. To the excited, I would say that we are guaranteed nothing in the future. I can tell you we have a historically good farm system. I can't tell you what it will translate to. I feel reasonably certain that we will, in coming years, see more exciting baseball--with over .500 records--but that is still a long way off from division titles. There is also the danger that some of these prospects might succeed--after they are traded away.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/images/blog/star-divide.v5e9d7f1.jpg

Here is the straight up prospect list. It ended up being 65 names--after trades. I added Greg Holland, who I mistakenly thought had used up his prospect eligibility. Also, I inserted Nathan Adcock--our Rule V pick.
<TABLE border=1 width=225 height=1473><TBODY><TR><TD>Rank</TD><TD>Name</TD></TR><TR><TD>1</TD><TD>Wil Myers-C/OF</TD></TR><TR><TD>2</TD><TD>Eric Hosmer-1B</TD></TR><TR><TD>3</TD><TD>Mike Moustakas--3B</TD></TR><TR><TD>4</TD><TD>Mike Montgomery--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>5</TD><TD>John Lamb--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>6</TD><TD>Chris Dwyer--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>7</TD><TD>Dan Duffy--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>8</TD><TD>Jake Odorizzi--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>9</TD><TD>Christian Colon--SS/2B</TD></TR><TR><TD>10</TD><TD>Aaron Crow--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>11</TD><TD>Cheslor Cuthbert--3B</TD></TR><TR><TD>12</TD><TD>Brett Eibner--CF</TD></TR><TR><TD>13</TD><TD>Johnny Giavotella--2B</TD></TR><TR><TD>14</TD><TD>David Lough--OF</TD></TR><TR><TD>15</TD><TD>Tim Collins--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>16</TD><TD>Jeremy Jeffress--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>17</TD><TD>Tim Melville--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>18</TD><TD>Robinson Yambati--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>19</TD><TD>Yordano Ventura--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>20</TD><TD>Salvador Perez--C</TD></TR><TR><TD>21</TD><TD>Derrick Robinson--CF</TD></TR><TR><TD>22</TD><TD>Louis Coleman--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>23</TD><TD>Jason Adam--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>24</TD><TD>Will Smith--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>25</TD><TD>Paulo Orlando--CF</TD></TR><TR><TD>26</TD><TD>Kevin Chapman--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>27</TD><TD>Everett Teaford--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>28</TD><TD>Tyler Sample--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>29</TD><TD>Buddy Baumann--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>30</TD><TD>Noel Arguelles--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>31</TD><TD>Jeff Bianchi--SS</TD></TR><TR><TD>32</TD><TD>Crawford Simmons--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>33</TD><TD>Clint Robinson--1B</TD></TR><TR><TD>34</TD><TD>Jarrod Dyson--CF</TD></TR><TR><TD>35</TD><TD>Patrick Keating--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>36</TD><TD>Greg Holland--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>37</TD><TD>Manuel Pina--C</TD></TR><TR><TD>38</TD><TD>Lucas May--C</TD></TR><TR><TD>39</TD><TD>Blaine Hardy--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>40</TD><TD>Michael Antonio--SS</TD></TR><TR><TD>41</TD><TD>Kelvin Herrera--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>42</TD><TD>Humberto Arteaga--SS</TD></TR><TR><TD>43</TD><TD>Justin Marks--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>44</TD><TD>Elisaul Pimentel--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>45</TD><TD>Jorge Bonifacio--CF</TD></TR><TR><TD>46</TD><TD>Lance Zawadzki--SS</TD></TR><TR><TD>47</TD><TD>Rey Navarro--SS</TD></TR><TR><TD>48</TD><TD>Nathan Adcock--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>49</TD><TD>Edgar Osuna--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>50</TD><TD>Jose Bonilla--C</TD></TR><TR><TD>51</TD><TD>Henry Barrera--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>52</TD><TD>Greg BIllo--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>53</TD><TD>Kevin Pucetas--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>54</TD><TD>Yowil Espinal--2B</TD></TR><TR><TD>55</TD><TD>Paul Carlixte--SS</TD></TR><TR><TD>56</TD><TD>Keaton Hayenga--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>57</TD><TD>Shin Jo-Ho--C</TD></TR><TR><TD>58</TD><TD>Wilian Avinazar--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>59</TD><TD>Mike Mariot--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>60</TD><TD>Brandon Sisk--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>61</TD><TD>Justin Trapp--SS</TD></TR><TR><TD>62</TD><TD>Leonel Santiago--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>63</TD><TD>Murray Watts--1B</TD></TR><TR><TD>64</TD><TD>Brain Fletcher--OF</TD></TR><TR><TD>65</TD><TD>Pat White--OF</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Below is the prospect list sorted by position. The Royals have depth at lots of places--C, SS, pitching. They are short in the outfield--especially corner OF, but that changes if Myers goes to RF. They have a bunch of CF prospects but none of them are good enough that I'm comfortable penciling them into the future OF. They also lack depth at the corner infield (although they do have quality with Hoz and Moose)
<TABLE border=1 width=238 height=996><TBODY><TR><TD>Position</TD><TD>Name</TD></TR><TR><TD>Catcher</TD><TD>1. Wil Myers</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>20. Salvador Perez</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>37. Manuel Pina</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>38. Lucas May</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>50. Jose Bonilla</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>57. Shin Jo-Ho</TD></TR><TR><TD>1st Base</TD><TD>2. Eric Hosmer</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>33. Clint Robinson</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>63. Murray Watts</TD></TR><TR><TD>2nd Base</TD><TD>9. Christian Colon</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>13. Johnny Giavotella</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>54. Yowil Espinal</TD></TR><TR><TD>Shortstop</TD><TD>31. Jeff Bianchi</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>40. Michael Antonio</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>42. Humberto Arteaga</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>46. Lance Zawadzki</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>47. Rey Navarro</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>55. Paul Carlixte</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>61. Justin Trapp</TD></TR><TR><TD>3rd Base</TD><TD>3. Mike Moustakas</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>11. Chelsor Cuthbert</TD></TR><TR><TD>LF/RF</TD><TD>64. Brian Fletcher</TD></TR><TR><TD>CF</TD><TD>12. Brett Eibner</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>14. David Lough</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>21. Derrick Robinson</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>25. Paulo Orlando</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>34. Jarrod Dyson</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>45. Jorge Bonifacio</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>65. Pat White</TD></TR><TR><TD>RHSP</TD><TD>8. Jake Odorizzi</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>10. Aaron Crow</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>17. Tim Melville</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>18. Robinson Yambati</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>19. Yordano Ventura</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>23. Jason Adam</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>28. Tyler Sample</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>41. Kelvin Herrera</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>44. Elisaul Pimentel</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>48. Nathan Adcock</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>52. Greg BIllo</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>53. Kevin Pucetas</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>56. Keaton Hayenga</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>58. Wilian Avinazar</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>59. Mike Mariot</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>62. Leonel Santiago</TD></TR><TR><TD>RHRP</TD><TD>16. Jeremy Jeffress</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>22. Louis Coleman</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>35. Patrick Keating</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>36. Greg Holland</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>51. Henry Barrera</TD></TR><TR><TD>LHSP</TD><TD>4. Mike Montgomery</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>5. John Lamb</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>6. Chris Dwyer</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>7. Dan Duffy</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>24. Will Smith</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>27. Everett Teaford</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>29. Buddy Baumann</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>30. Noel Arguelles</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>32. Crawford Simmons</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>43. Justin Marks</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>49. Edgar Osuna</TD></TR><TR><TD>LHRP</TD><TD>15. Tim Collins</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>26. Kevin Chapman</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>39. Blaine Hardy</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>60. Brandon Sisk</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
This is my best guess as to where each player will start 2011. I will probably be off on several of there. The nice thing is there is so much depth that prospects have to be carefully placed to insure playing time.
<TABLE border=1 width=277 height=992><TBODY><TR><TD>Majors</TD><TD>16. Jeremy Jeffress--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>22. Louis Coleman--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>36. Greg Holland--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>










</TD><TD>38. Lucas May--C</TD></TR><TR><TD>AAA</TD><TD>3. Mike Moustakas--3B</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>7. Dan Duffy--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>13. Johnny Giavotella-2B</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>14. David Lough--OF</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>15. Tim Collins--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>27. Everett Teaford--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>31. Jeff Bianchi--SS</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>33. Clint Robinson--1B</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>34. Jarrod Dyson--CF</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>37. Manuel Pina--C</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>46. Lance Zawadski--SS


</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>49. Nathan Adcock--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>50. Edgar Osuna--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>53. Kevin Pucetas--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>AA</TD><TD>2. Eric Hosmer--1B</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>4. Mike Montgomery--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>5. John Lamb--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>6. Chris Dwyer--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>9. Christian Colon--2B/SS</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>10 Aaron Crow--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>20. Sal Perez--C</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>21. Derrick Robinson--CF</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>24. Will Smith--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>25. Paulo Orlando--OF</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>26. Kevin Chapman--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>29. Buddy Baumann--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>35. Patrick Keating--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>39. Blaine Hardy--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>47. Rey Navarro--2B/SS</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>51. Henry Barrera--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>60. Brandon Sisk--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>High-A</TD><TD>1. Wil Myers--C/OF</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>8. Jake Odorizzi--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>17. Tim Melville--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>28. Tyler Sample--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>30. Noel Arguelles--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>41. Kelvin Herrera--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>43. Justin Marks--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>44. Elisaul Pimentel--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>50. Jose Bonilla-C</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>56. Keaton Hayenga--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>Low-A</TD><TD>11. Cheslor Cuthbert--3B</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>12. Brett Eibner--CF</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>18. Robinson Yambati--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>19. Yordano Ventura--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>23. Jason Adam--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>32. Crawford Simmons--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>52. Greg BIllo--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>54. Yowil Espinal--2B</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>58. Wilian Avinazar--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>59. Mike Mariot--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>61. Justin Trapp--SS</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>62. Leonel Santiago--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>63. Murray Watts--1B</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>64. Brian Fletcher--OF</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>65. Pat White--CF</TD></TR><TR><TD>Short-Season</TD><TD>40. Michael Antonio--SS</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>42. Humberto Arteaga--SS</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>45. Jorge Bonifacio--CF</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>55. Paul Carlixte--SS</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>57. Shin Jo-Ho--C</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Here is my overall Top 25 for prospects.
<TABLE border=1 width=346 height=392><TBODY><TR><TD>Rank</TD><TD>Name</TD></TR><TR><TD>1</TD><TD>Bryce Harper--WAS--OF</TD></TR><TR><TD>2</TD><TD>Mike Trout--LAA--CF</TD></TR><TR><TD>3</TD><TD>Jeremy Hellickson--TAM--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>4</TD><TD>Julio Teheran--ATL--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>5</TD><TD>Wil Myers--KC--C/OF</TD></TR><TR><TD>6</TD><TD>Jesus Montero--NYY--C/DH</TD></TR><TR><TD>7</TD><TD>Eric Hosmer--KC--1B</TD></TR><TR><TD>8</TD><TD>Mike Moustakas--KC--3B</TD></TR><TR><TD>9</TD><TD>Dominic Brown--PHI--OF</TD></TR><TR><TD>10</TD><TD>Shelby Miller--STL--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>11</TD><TD>Matt Moore--TAM--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>12</TD><TD>Desmond Jennings--TAM--CF</TD></TR><TR><TD>13</TD><TD>Dustin Ackley--SEA--2B</TD></TR><TR><TD>14</TD><TD>Freddie Freeman--ATL--1B</TD></TR><TR><TD>15</TD><TD>Mike Montgomery--KC--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>16</TD><TD>Aroldis Chapman--CIN--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>17</TD><TD>Michael Pineda--SEA--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>18</TD><TD>Mike Minor--ATL--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>19</TD><TD>John Lamb--KC--LHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>20</TD><TD>Kyle Gibson--MIN--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>21</TD><TD>Jameson Taillon--PIT--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>22</TD><TD>Brandon Belt--SFG--1B</TD></TR><TR><TD>23</TD><TD>Zach Britton--BAL--RHP</TD></TR><TR><TD>24</TD><TD>Manny Machado--BAL--SS</TD></TR><TR><TD>25</TD><TD>Randall Delgado--ATL--RHP</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Here are the AL Central farm systems and how they stack up against each other.
<TABLE border=1 width=610 height=246><TBODY><TR><TD>Rank</TD><TD>CHI</TD><TD>CLE</TD><TD>DET</TD><TD>KC</TD><TD>MIN</TD></TR><TR><TD>1</TD><TD>Chris Sale</TD><TD>Jason Kipnis</TD><TD>Jacob Turner</TD><TD>Mike Moustakas</TD><TD>Kyle Gibson</TD></TR><TR><TD>2</TD><TD>Brent Morel</TD><TD>Lonnie Chisenahall</TD><TD>Nick Castellanos</TD><TD>John Lamb</TD><TD>Aaron Hicks</TD></TR><TR><TD>3</TD><TD>Dayan Viciedo</TD><TD>Drew Pomeranz</TD><TD>Andy Oliver</TD><TD>Eric Hosmer</TD><TD>Miguel Sano</TD></TR><TR><TD>4</TD><TD>Jared Mitchell</TD><TD>Alex White</TD><TD>Chance Ruffin</TD><TD>Wil Myers</TD><TD>Joe Benson</TD></TR><TR><TD>5</TD><TD>Eduardo Escobar</TD><TD>LeVon Washington</TD><TD>Daniel Schlereth</TD><TD>Mike Montgomery</TD><TD>Ben Revere</TD></TR><TR><TD>6</TD><TD>Gregori Infante</TD><TD>Nick Weglarz</TD><TD>Daniel Fields</TD><TD>Chris Dwyer</TD><TD>Liam Hendriks</TD></TR><TR><TD>7</TD><TD>Jacob Petricka</TD><TD>Joe Gardner</TD><TD>Drew Smyly</TD><TD>Dan Duffy</TD><TD>Alex Wimmers</TD></TR><TR><TD>8</TD><TD>Brandon Short</TD><TD>Jason Knapp</TD><TD>Casey Crosby</TD><TD>Jeremy Jeffress</TD><TD>Adrian Salcedo</TD></TR><TR><TD>9</TD><TD>Trayce Thompson</TD><TD>Tony Wolters</TD><TD>Francisco Martinez</TD><TD>Jake Odorizzi</TD><TD>Oswaldo Arcia</TD></TR><TR><TD>10</TD><TD>Anthony Carter</TD><TD>Cord Phelps</TD><TD>Bruce Rondon</TD><TD>Christian Colon</TD><TD>Carlos Gutierrez</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
I tried to use Kevin Goldstein's star rankings--but he hasn't done the White Sox/Twins--so I used BA's rankings and guessed at the stars. 5 star prospects=Top 50ish and are bold/italic. 4 star prospects=Top 100ish and are normal. 3 star=101-200ish and are bold. 2 star prospects=filler and are italicized. The Twins have a good farm system and look to be a good team for the foreseeable future. Cleveland has a deep farm system but not many impact players. Chicago and Detroit are in win now mode--but have the deep pockets to stay competitive if they are smart.

A year from now what might the Royals farm system look like? Below is some creative writing and a look into the future.
<TABLE border=1 width=638 height=353><TBODY><TR><TD>Rank</TD><TD>Name</TD><TD>Comment</TD></TR><TR><TD>1</TD><TD>Wil Myers</TD><TD>One of top prospects in baseball after dominating Carolina and Texas Leagues</TD></TR><TR><TD>2</TD><TD>Eric Hosmer</TD><TD>Ready to take over 1st Base after showing big power in AAA</TD></TR><TR><TD>3</TD><TD>George Springer</TD><TD>The Royals 1st Round pick has the potential to be a more athletic Jay Bruce</TD></TR><TR><TD>4</TD><TD>John Lamb</TD><TD>Could start 2012 in the rotation after lots of Ks and good control at AA and AAA.</TD></TR><TR><TD>5</TD><TD>Jake Odorizzi</TD><TD>Put it all together at Wilmington--and pitched well at AA</TD></TR><TR><TD>6</TD><TD>Yordano Ventura</TD><TD>Incredible stuff that dominated at Low-A</TD></TR><TR><TD>7</TD><TD>Brett Eibner</TD><TD>Dominated at Low-A and then hit well at Wilmington after promotion.</TD></TR><TR><TD>8</TD><TD>Cheslor Cuthbert</TD><TD>Hit for average and power as 18 year old at Kane County.</TD></TR><TR><TD>9</TD><TD>Sal Perez</TD><TD>Handled the AA pitching staff with ease and the bat won't hurt you.</TD></TR><TR><TD>10</TD><TD>Humberto Arteaga</TD><TD>17 year old had strong short season debut--showing good bat and glove</TD></TR><TR><TD>11</TD><TD>Tim Melville</TD><TD>Bounced back with a good 2011--starting in Wilmington and finished in NW Arkansas.</TD></TR><TR><TD>12</TD><TD>Noel Arguelles</TD><TD>He exists and looked good but still battled some injuries.</TD></TR><TR><TD>13</TD><TD>Chris Dwyer</TD><TD>Had an up and down year at AA--control needs help.</TD></TR><TR><TD>14</TD><TD>Robinson Yambati</TD><TD>Showed good stuff in the Midwest League</TD></TR><TR><TD>15</TD><TD>Kelvim Herrera</TD><TD>Finally got healthy at mid season and showed the stuff that has everyone excited.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
The Royals could easily have a Top 3 system next year--even if they graduate some top prospects in 2011 (like Moose, Monty and Duffy). They should add a top prospect with their 1st Round pick of the June draft. They also have a lot high ceiling prospects (especially pitchers) who could emerge in 2011.

There you go. I've sliced and diced Royals prospects just about every way I can imagine. All we need now is for games to start and be able to see how these kids perform. Thanks to everyone for reading the series and all the great comments.

RockChalk
01-20-2011, 07:59 AM
Is anyone else tired of hearing about the stud prospects? It's the same thing as 5-star recruits in basketball/football. Nobody really has a clue how they are going to pan out.

I realize this is all we Royals fans have to be happy about, but Gordon was supposed to be a game-changer. I'm cautiously optimistic about the prospects, but I'd rather just fast-forward to 2012 so we can actually get a good look at these guys.

alnorth
01-20-2011, 09:59 AM
Is anyone else tired of hearing about the stud prospects? It's the same thing as 5-star recruits in basketball/football. Nobody really has a clue how they are going to pan out.

I realize this is all we Royals fans have to be happy about, but Gordon was supposed to be a game-changer. I'm cautiously optimistic about the prospects, but I'd rather just fast-forward to 2012 so we can actually get a good look at these guys.

Not really, we have nothing else to celebrate and it is better than a few years ago right before DM came over when we were horrible *AND* our farm system sucked with no hope for the future.

Some of our prospects will undoubtably fail and bust out of here. A couple of them will probably be some of the big names we are now thinking of as "cant-miss". Gordon would have made our current top-10 and he was disappointing with perhaps one more chance left to him this season.

We've also had impact prospects who made it before, the problem is it has always been 1, sometimes 2 guys and almost nothing else. Every team usually has 1 or 2 promising guys who came up through their minor leagues and made it, we were nothing special.

The promise of this system is the sheer number of prospects, there is a reason why people who have been looking at minor leagues their whole lives and who have no reason at all to care about the Royals are speculating whether this is one of the greatest systems in the modern history of the game. There are so many players in our system who are so good that we have almost reached "this would be difficult to screw up" territory.

Maybe we win the division or maybe we do not, but if we somehow manage to be bad in 2013 and 2014, that level of failure would be epic.

RockChalk
01-20-2011, 10:07 AM
The promise of this system is the sheer number of prospects, there is a reason why people who have been looking at minor leagues their whole lives and who have no reason at all to care about the Royals are speculating whether this is one of the greatest systems in the modern history of the game. There are so many players in our system who are so good that we have almost reached "this would be difficult to screw up" territory.

I suppose I'm just safe-guarding myself in the case of disappointment. I'm just tired of seeing prospect rankings from 18 different sites as our only glimmer of hope, but it's all we've got.

alnorth
01-20-2011, 10:18 AM
I suppose I'm just safe-guarding myself in the case of disappointment. I'm just tired of seeing prospect rankings from 18 different sites as our only glimmer of hope, but it's all we've got.

Yep, we have absolutely no right to a division title, nor are we even entitled to a winning season. No matter how good they look now, they still have to make the jump.

That said, one thing that is encouraging is that the Rays had the best system not too long ago, and they managed to win the most brutally unfair division in the game despite being in a much worse financial shape and less capable of handing out contracts than the Royals. I believe our system is equal at worst, and probably a little better than what they had at their system's peak, and we are in one of the easier divisions.

Rams Fan
01-20-2011, 10:25 AM
Interesting:

The Casa De Abuela, or "Grandmother's House," is a $60-a-night hotel in Turbaco, a community outside of Cartagena, Colombia. It is where Mike Toomey, the Kansas City Royals' special assistant to the general manager, stays rather than at a nearby Hilton Hotel for $300 a night "because I like to be among the people, I like to feel the heartbeat of the city."

Two months ago, Toomey looked across from Grandmother's House and saw a 10-year-old boy throwing an imaginary baseball during recess at an elementary school. Toomey introduced himself to the boy, videotaped his fluid pitching motion, then spoke to him on camera.

Courtesy Mike Toomey Mike Toomey, right, a special assistant to the general manager for the Royals, once rode a mule to see a player in Colombia.

"Look at the arm speed, he's a great athlete," said Toomey, who smiled and said, "when he's 16, we're going to sign him. I can't tell you his name. I don't want anyone to know."

This is the story of a scout, and where scouts will go to find players. No team has found more good players in recent years than the Royals, who, many baseball men will agree, have the best farm system in the game. It also is the story of a scout and a country, and how they've grown to love each other during the past five years. Colombia, the third-largest country in South America, is located on the northern tip of the continent. It has produced a number of great major league players, including Miguel Cabrera, Omar Vizquel and Luis Aparicio. Colombia is home to shortstop Edgar Renteria, the MVP of the 2010 World Series, shortstop Orlando Cabrera and reliever Ernesto Frieri. Another Colombian, pitcher Julio Teheran, is one of the game's best prospects, currently playing in the Atlanta Braves' system. He signed for approximately $850,000, played in the Futures Game last year and will be a big leaguer someday.

"Colombia is a late bloomer, it has developed later," Toomey said. "It doesn't have the history of Venezuela or the Dominican [Republic], but there are players there. They have passion and ability. We are opening doors there. Colombia is coming on fast as a place for baseball."

Toomey, 58, played baseball, then coached, at George Washington University, then managed in the minor leagues for two years before becoming a scout. He has scouted all over the world, from Panama to Japan to Italy. Eight years ago, he began learning to speak Spanish by watching Spanish TV shows and by reading books in Spanish. Now he is close to fluent. Twice a year for the past five years, he has traveled to Colombia to find players, run clinics and hold tryout camps. For roughly $25,000, Toomey signed right-handed pitcher Sugar Ray Marimon, who throws 95 mph. Marimon's mother "cried at the signing," Toomey said. "She was losing her baby." For approximately $40,000, Toomey signed second baseman Luis Piterson. The signing was held at the Exito, which is like a Wal-Mart in the United States. Marimon and Piterson have had varied success in the Royals' system; each has a chance to someday play in the big leagues. Toomey visited them, as well as Teheran, in November, "to make sure they're doing OK, see what they need, and are eating right."

Toomey, who lives in Gaithersburg, Md., laughed and said, "People have no idea. When I tell them I'm going to Colombia, they ask, 'How do you get there, Route 108 to 32?'" They think he is driving 35 minutes to Columbia, Md. Instead, he flies from Washington, D.C., to Miami, takes a connection flight to either Panama or Bogota, then takes another flight to Cartagena. It takes six hours to get there, and that's the easy part. Getting around in Colombia is not easy.

"Cars? No cars," Toomey said. "We usually take the bus. I'm talking about a bus that has [an image of] the Virgin Mary on the front. I've been on that bus for 2½ hours some days going to see a player or run a clinic. People are playing the guitar and singing and dancing on the bus. I've seen chickens on the bus. At each stop, people get on the bus selling their wares. A guy hangs out the window and collects money. Sometimes the bus doesn't go far enough, and we have to get out and take a cab. We jumped in a car once with a few guys that we didn't know, but they just gave us a ride. Sometimes, we'll take a three-seat scooter, it's like a bike with two seats in the back. It's beautiful. One time, to see a player in a mountainous area, a guy said, 'Come with me.' And we rode a mule the rest of the way."

Toomey goes everywhere in Colombia with his friend and colleague, Rafael Miranda, who is from Colombia, and has served in virtually every baseball role there, from player to coach to scout. "On every street in Colombia, everyone knows Raffy," Toomey said. "They yell out his name when they see him. He has a passion to help the kids. And when we go to a stadium together, everyone knows that the Kansas City Royals are in the ballpark. From each draft each year, one guy will go to the big leagues for sure. But you have to supplement the draft by getting good signings from the Dominican, Venezuela, Panama, Colombia. We've done that. And Colombia has come a long, long way with players."

But Toomey doesn't go to Colombia just to find players for the Royals; he goes there to teach the kids how to play, and the coaches how to coach. In late November, Toomey and Miranda ran a clinic for 100 kids in San Jacinto, a mountain town about two hours from Cartagena. The kids range in age, depending on the clinic, from 5 to 20. "Look at their faces," Toomey said. "They love baseball." When the clinic ended, the town sent over a Gita band -- drummers, a singer and a man playing an instrument that looks like a peace pipe -- as a sign of appreciation to Toomey and Miranda for coming so far to teach kids the game of baseball.

"So everyone is dancing, and one of the moms says, 'Miguelito, can you dance?'" Toomey said, laughing. So he danced. "They fed us, and when we left, they gave me a homemade, handmade hammock, in the colors of Colombia," Toomey said. "It's a beautiful country, and the people there are very proud of their country. They are great to me."

Toomey has had similar experiences in trips all over Latin American. In the Dominican, he visited a town and took video of kids who were so poor, they had no baseball, so they practiced the game by throwing a rock in the air and hitting it. "We organized a game there," Toomey said, "but we couldn't start the game until this nice lady who owned a farm got her cow out from the middle of center field."

Toomey was in the Dominican soon after an earthquake had ravaged neighboring Haiti in January 2010. He shot footage of Haitian people bathing in a river, with tents set up as temporary homes. "I saw a 60-year-old man carrying what had to be 200 pounds of supplies on his back, over the border, into Haiti," Toomey said. "Food supplies: sugar, rice and flour. I've never seen stronger people in my life. This was not baseball. This was survival."

There are similar situations in certain areas in Colombia. "I've seen seven to eight people living in a two-room house, or a one-room house," Toomey said. "I've seen a mom cooking a sancocho, which is beef stew in a pot of rice, to feed her entire family. This country is filled with passionate people. But they need help. I'd like to see Major League Baseball get involved and help keep the fields maintained. They need equipment, they need batting cages. They don't have as many major leaguer players coming back to help as some other countries have. The instructors they have are good, but they need more. The kids are hungry for baseball."

It is more of a soccer country, but baseball is still extremely popular and important. Colombia has a professional winter league, although this year, torrential rain washed out the league's all-star game and the second half of the season. But Toomey will continue to go back to look for players, and to teach kids how to play, saying "I'm the luckiest guy in the world to be able to go there." He said his dream is to someday build a baseball academy in Cartagena. Maybe that 10-year-old from the schoolyard will be able to attend.

"Some scouts have asked me, 'Why do you go there? There are no players there,'" Toomey said. "Yes, there are. In the last five years, the number of scouts who go there has doubled. They look at the place that I stay -- Grandmother's House -- and say, 'How can Toomey stay there?'" Toomey laughed and said, "I stayed there once and checked out the last day without realizing that they didn't take credit cards. I had to take a scooter into town to get cash. Now I know: When you go to Colombia, bring cash. I love going there. It's an experience. It's not just baseball. It's life."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=kurkjian_tim&id=6038291

jbwm89
01-20-2011, 11:45 PM
Not really, we have nothing else to celebrate and it is better than a few years ago right before DM came over when we were horrible *AND* our farm system sucked with no hope for the future.

Some of our prospects will undoubtably fail and bust out of here. A couple of them will probably be some of the big names we are now thinking of as "cant-miss". Gordon would have made our current top-10 and he was disappointing with perhaps one more chance left to him this season.

We've also had impact prospects who made it before, the problem is it has always been 1, sometimes 2 guys and almost nothing else. Every team usually has 1 or 2 promising guys who came up through their minor leagues and made it, we were nothing special.

The promise of this system is the sheer number of prospects, there is a reason why people who have been looking at minor leagues their whole lives and who have no reason at all to care about the Royals are speculating whether this is one of the greatest systems in the modern history of the game. There are so many players in our system who are so good that we have almost reached "this would be difficult to screw up" territory.

Maybe we win the division or maybe we do not, but if we somehow manage to be bad in 2013 and 2014, that level of failure would be epic.

Exactly, so many people don't realize the difference between good prospects (A. Gordon) and a good farm system (current Royals). Even if Gordy became a stud how many more game would we have won? It is about the system not a couple big name prospects.

Bambi
01-21-2011, 01:20 AM
Exactly, so many people don't realize the difference between good prospects (A. Gordon) and a good farm system (current Royals). Even if Gordy became a stud how many more game would we have won? It is about the system not a couple big name prospects.

Gordon will be great batting 6th when we're good...

KurtCobain
01-21-2011, 02:00 AM
Yep, we have absolutely no right to a division title, nor are we even entitled to a winning season. No matter how good they look now, they still have to make the jump.

That said, one thing that is encouraging is that the Rays had the best system not too long ago, and they managed to win the most brutally unfair division in the game despite being in a much worse financial shape and less capable of handing out contracts than the Royals. I believe our system is equal at worst, and probably a little better than what they had at their system's peak, and we are in one of the easier divisions.

A division that a young talented team could easily take control of for years to come.

eazyb81
01-21-2011, 06:09 AM
Really wish we had more draft picks this year. As others have said, it could be the last draft before a hard slotting system is put in place.

We pick #5 overall, but because of all the sandwich picks, I don't think our second pick is until #56.

duncan_idaho
01-21-2011, 08:29 AM
Really wish we had more draft picks this year. As others have said, it could be the last draft before a hard slotting system is put in place.

We pick #5 overall, but because of all the sandwich picks, I don't think our second pick is until #56.

The one good thing about the Rays having SO many sandwich picks (I forgot if they're at 8 or 9 right now) is that they likely won't have the dollars to go after kids with signability issues in more than 3-4 of those spots.

Schaum did a 2011 mock draft (http://royalsprospects.com/) over at Royals prospects. Pretty good info.

I like the Jackie Bradley Jr. pick. He or George Springer would seem to be good fits. I like Trevor Bauer, too. He reminds me a lot of Mike Leake, and I know the Royals FO was in love with Leake...

Am I the only person who is scared by Sonny Gray? His size and high-impact/effort delivery seem like warning signs. Also,

RockChalk
01-21-2011, 09:28 AM
Am I the only person who is scared by Sonny Gray? His size and high-impact/effort delivery seem like warning signs. Also,

Hmmm...there's a pretty good pitcher out on the west coast that is 5'11'', 172. He also has an unorthodox delivery. Seems to be pretty solid.

Sonny is listed at 5'11'', 180

no love
01-21-2011, 09:37 AM
Timmy Smoke thinks this guy will be awesome.

in all seriousness, I know nothing of Sonny, but if he is a legit talent, why not take him. Wasn't the same thing said of Lincecum? 2 Cy Youngs and a WS later, the guy is nails. So what if his arm gives out on him in 3 years, the Giants got everything they needed from him.

If Sonny has "the stuff" take him. Could he be any worse than Hochevar is turning out? (happily eat crow if he breaks out)

duncan_idaho
01-21-2011, 10:08 AM
I think Lincecum is the exception to the rule, rather than a trend. There's a reason tiny pitchers are usually avoided. Just because one guy has found success doesn't change that.

Also, I think calling Tim Lincecum 5-11/180 is being REALLY generous. Dude is 5-8/155...:D

no love
01-21-2011, 10:43 AM
I think Lincecum is the exception to the rule, rather than a trend. There's a reason tiny pitchers are usually avoided. Just because one guy has found success doesn't change that.

Also, I think calling Tim Lincecum 5-11/180 is being REALLY generous. Dude is 5-8/155...:D

absolutely agree on following the trend of "finding the tiny cy young winner." I don't know where he falls in line of best pitchers in the draft(or anyone), I've been too busy with chiefs news to follow high school and college baseball prospects. What I am sayin is, don't be afraid of a rare talent in favor of someone with a more solid delivery. That funky delivery that scares everyone away could be interesting out of the bullpen. Not that you want to draft your bullpen in the top 5... just saying, this team needs to have the cajones to take a flyer on a player that has "it." Maybe he does, maybe not... not for me to decide

no love
01-21-2011, 10:45 AM
http://www.baseballrumormill.com/players/sonny-gray/

DeezNutz
01-21-2011, 11:16 AM
The one good thing about the Rays having SO many sandwich picks (I forgot if they're at 8 or 9 right now) is that they likely won't have the dollars to go after kids with signability issues in more than 3-4 of those spots.

Schaum did a 2011 mock draft (http://royalsprospects.com/) over at Royals prospects. Pretty good info.

I like the Jackie Bradley Jr. pick. He or George Springer would seem to be good fits. I like Trevor Bauer, too. He reminds me a lot of Mike Leake, and I know the Royals FO was in love with Leake...

Am I the only person who is scared by Sonny Gray? His size and high-impact/effort delivery seem like warning signs. Also,

Springer is the player whom I'm more interested in because of the power potential, but the club needs to turn over every stone with Starling. Dude has a very poor, natural-looking swing. We cannot miss on a local talent of this potential magnitude.

My hope beyond hope is that signability causes him to drop and we throw a fucking Brinks truck at him in the second round.

duncan_idaho
01-21-2011, 12:42 PM
Springer is the player whom I'm more interested in because of the power potential, but the club needs to turn over every stone with Starling. Dude has a very poor, natural-looking swing. We cannot miss on a local talent of this potential magnitude.

My hope beyond hope is that signability causes him to drop and we throw a ****ing Brinks truck at him in the second round.

Agreed on Starling. Hopefully, he keeps talking about how much he wants to play football at Nebraska, and he slips down to No. 56.

It would be REALLY tough to take a high school bat with the amount of high level college pitching in this draft. Cole, Purke, Bauer, Jungman and Gray all would have been the first college pitcher taken last year. Lot of high end ability there.

Springer is an intriguing player. Reminds me a lot of Ryan Braun.

DeezNutz
01-21-2011, 01:04 PM
Springer is the player whom I'm more interested in because of the power potential, but the club needs to turn over every stone with Starling. Dude has a very poor, natural-looking swing. We cannot miss on a local talent of this potential magnitude.

My hope beyond hope is that signability causes him to drop and we throw a ****ing Brinks truck at him in the second round.

Yikes. What a nasty typo.

"pure, natural-looking swing." Not poor.

KChiefs1
01-21-2011, 06:56 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110121&content_id=16479218&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb


Cain's quick rise a case of talent, drive



By Dick Kaegel / MLB.com | 01/21/11


KANSAS CITY -- The odd thing about Royals outfielder Lorenzo Cain is that he didn't play on a baseball team until he was 16 years old.

Heck, now he's played six years on professional teams -- longer than he played on teams growing up. He didn't start until his sophomore year at Madison County (Fla.) High School.

"I just never got into it," Cain said Friday at the Royals FanFest. "It was just never my thing. In high school, I kind of picked it up and went with it."

Now, at age 24, Cain has a shot at the Royals' center-field job after being acquired from Milwaukee in the six-player trade that netted the Brewers pitcher Zack Greinke.

A friendly man with a big smile, Cain just didn't play much of anything as a kid in Madison, a little town about 50 miles from Tallahassee.

"My dad passed away when I was 4 so my mom pretty much raised me and my brother, so it was just us three growing up," he said. "She was a single mom, she worked two jobs at times so that's probably the main reason I didn't play sports. She didn't have really time to take me to practice or whatnot."

He and brother Delvin, who is six years older, had their chores to help out Patricia Cain.

"Somebody had to keep the house clean so that was me and my brother's job," he said.

When Cain got to the ninth grade, he tried out for the basketball team and got cut.

His mom thought football was too rough.

"She wouldn't let me play football so what was left? Baseball," he said.

He talked to a buddy who played high school ball -- Jeremy Haynes, now a pitcher in the Los Angeles Angels organization. He got encouragement and some practice-field help.

"We went out and hit a little early sometimes and did some defensive drills or whatever. So I ended up trying out for the team and made the JV team," Cain said.

After a year with the JV, as a junior he moved up to become a varsity bench-sitter.

He didn't care for that.

"I just wasn't content sitting on the bench. That wasn't for me," he said. "I went out and worked hard and made sure that didn't happen."

Cain played well enough that scouts followed him and letters from big league clubs came in the mail. At first, he found that "shocking" because, after all, he was just playing to have some fun. It dawned on him that this could be a way to making a living.

Drafted by the Brewers in the 17th round of 2004's First-Year Player Draft, he didn't sign and became a "draft and follow" while he played a season for Tallahassee Community College. Then he signed with the Brewers and began his pro career in 2005 with a bang; he led the Arizona Rookie League with 73 hits and batted .356 in 50 games.

Royals manager Ned Yost, then the Brewers' skipper, remembered seeing Cain and shortstop Alcides Escobar, who also came in the Greinke trade, in training camp a year or two later.

"The first thing that went through my mind when I saw them was that these kids are going to be All-Stars," Yost said.

Cain had natural athletic ability -- he could hit, steal bases and cover the outfield -- but after getting such a late start in the game, he had a lot of catching up to do.

"I had a lot of tweaking to do," he said, "but I was able to pick it up quick and kind of learn on the fly. I'm the kind of guy, you throw me out there and I just try to get it done."

Not playing as a kid, he wasn't starstruck by any big leaguers.

"But when I started playing baseball, one guy that was my role model was Torii Hunter," he said. "I tried to model my game after him."

Coming back from leg injuries last season, the right-handed batter ripped off a .317 average combined at the Double-A and Triple-A levels and was promoted to the Brewers. In 43 games, he batted .306, had 13 RBIs and swiped seven bases in eight tries.

"I'm still learning," he said. "I'll take my bumps and bruises, but, at the same time, I feel like I can go out there and hold my own."

Cain will go to Spring Training next month with Melky Cabrera heading the center-field list and with Mitch Maier, Jarrod Dyson and Gregor Blanco also in the picture -- a lot of competition.

The Royals have outfitted Cain with uniform No. 6, formerly worn by their legendary center fielder, Willie Wilson. As the FanFest got under way, they posed together with the uniform.

"He was telling me to live up to it," Cain said.
Now that would be something.

Dick Kaegel (dick.kaegel@mlb.com) is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

KChiefs1
01-21-2011, 07:36 PM
Francoeur has Met fans in an uproar:

http://www.metsblog.com/2011/01/21/francour-says-citi-field-is-a-joke/


http://www.metsblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Screen-shot-2011-01-21-at-11.29.54-AM-475x76.png (http://twitter.com/#!/rustindodd/status/28263063610200065)



I guess swinging at pitches that bounce on the ground first or swinging at pitches that my 3 year old knows not to swing at is Citi Field's fault...just an example of not being accountable for playing like garbage....now I guarantee that this guy was a problem in the clubhouse...just keep your mouth shut Jeff, you are playing on the Kansas City Royals...Why???? Because no one has confidence in you..so now you play on a team that is a damn joke....karma



Memo to Francoeur,
Want to see a "Joke"? Look in the mirror.
Want to read about a joke, look at your diminishing numbers since you came to the majors.
Want to know what kind of a career arc you're on? You went from Atl, to NYC, to Texas (finally a winner) and now you're in baseball's Siberia....yeah, good luck with that.

KChiefs1
01-21-2011, 07:57 PM
http://huskerextra.com/sports/baseball/article_1652a3a9-8378-5cd3-8f8f-1c24eabf35c0.html


Alex Gordon hopes he's in store for a healthy season


By CURT McKEEVER / Lincoln Journal Star

OMAHA -- If you've followed Alex Gordon's rapid rise to the Kansas City Royals and then roller coaster of a career, you would understand why the former Nebraska All-American could have camped out all day at Children's Hospital and Medical Center during the Royals' annual goodwill caravan Thursday.

Among the patients Gordon visited before he and teammates Luke Hochevar and Mitch Maier, and Royals Hall of Famers John Mayberry and Frank White headed to mingle with fans at the Ultimate Baseball Academy were a couple of 12-year-old girls.

A couple of 12-year-old girls who didn't know that much about baseball … "which was kind of nice," Gordon said with a grin.

They might have been the only ones the 26-year-old ran into all day who didn't ask how he feels about what is bound to be a put-up-or-shut-up season.

Indeed, the past two years have been tough for the No. 2 pick of the 2005 draft, who last week agreed to a one-year contract worth $1.4 million.

In 2009, Gordon barely got started before needing extensive surgery on his right hip, an injury that limited him to 49 games and a .232 batting average with Kansas City.

Last year, he broke his right thumb in spring training, didn't get back in the lineup until mid-April and, after hitting .194, was sent down to Triple-A Omaha in May.

At the same time, the Royals decided to convert him from playing third base to the outfield, and though the left-handed-hitting Gordon tore up Triple-A pitching, when he returned to Kansas City he struggled enough to wind up with a .215 average in 74 games.

Determined to put those trying times behind him, Gordon created a minor stir when, during a pregame batting session in September, he told a Kansas City (Mo.) Star beat writer that he was going to dominate in 2011.

Asked about that Thursday, Gordon said he thought his comment made sense.

"What did you want me to do? Say I'm going to do OK?" he said. "I think I'm going to do a lot better than the last couple years."

If he can stay healthy, he should have ample opportunity. In November, Kansas City traded left fielder David DeJesus to Oakland. That move came after the Royals had traded two other 2010 outfield starters, Scott Podsednik and Jose Guillen, in July and August.

White -- who managed Gordon at Double-A Wichita in 2006 when he was named Baseball America's Minor League Player of the Year -- saw enough signs after Gordon returned to Kansas City last year to believe 2011 could be a coming-out year for the Lincoln native.

White said he believed in 2006 that Gordon had all the tools to become a solid major-league third baseman. But when his progress stalled, "He just didn't seem confident, offensively and at third base," White said Thursday. "When he was down here playing outfield, a lot of his natural abilities came out, and I think it translated to his offense (when he got called back to Kansas City)."

Gordon spends his offseasons in K.C., and said this one has been different in that instead of focusing on infield work, he's working on his speed work and arm strength.

And then there's the deal about sharing those middle-of-the-night duties with his wife caring for their first child, 4-month-old son Max.

"I'm definitely not getting as much sleep," Gordon said.

At least it's not from stress with his job.

"When I signed my contract, I don't think my mind-set changed," said Gordon, noting that it was the Royals, not he, who had options regarding his career. "You're in the big leagues. There's young kids nipping at your heels, so you've got to produce."

gblowfish
01-21-2011, 08:07 PM
Wake me up after we've lost 110 games.

DeezNutz
01-21-2011, 08:13 PM
Alex Gordon: the poster child for why many fans don't believe.

Talk all you want about depth, overwhelming numbers, etc. The fact remains, '06 Gordon would be the #1 prospect in the system. Yeah, there might be some banter about Myers and Hosmer, but Gordon would be #1.

And if he can fail, anyone can fail. And thus the understandable skepticism.

Certainly it's going to work this time, right? Right?

duncan_idaho
01-21-2011, 08:40 PM
Alex Gordon: the poster child for why many fans don't believe.

Talk all you want about depth, overwhelming numbers, etc. The fact remains, '06 Gordon would be the #1 prospect in the system. Yeah, there might be some banter about Myers and Hosmer, but Gordon would be #1.

And if he can fail, anyone can fail. And thus the understandable skepticism.

Certainly it's going to work this time, right? Right?

Gordon's complete inability to deal with failure is his biggest problem, but his massive K rate at Class AA in 2005 probably should have been more of a warning sign than any of us realized.

Hosmer definitely has shown he can overcome that, and so has Moose. So there's that at least...

keg in kc
01-21-2011, 08:44 PM
Gordon was the system in 2006. I think that's the main difference now. They have players everywhere, infield, outfield, and especially pitching.

cabletech94
01-21-2011, 08:44 PM
Alex Gordon: the poster child for why many fans don't believe.

Talk all you want about depth, overwhelming numbers, etc. The fact remains, '06 Gordon would be the #1 prospect in the system. Yeah, there might be some banter about Myers and Hosmer, but Gordon would be #1.

And if he can fail, anyone can fail. And thus the understandable skepticism.

Certainly it's going to work this time, right? Right?

please, for the love of god (or whatever), let it work THIS time. please?

Pitt Gorilla
01-21-2011, 08:47 PM
Gordon's complete inability to deal with failure is his biggest problem, but his massive K rate at Class AA in 2005 probably should have been more of a warning sign than any of us realized.

Hosmer definitely has shown he can overcome that, and so has Moose. So there's that at least...Gordon was also a college walk-on.

DeezNutz
01-21-2011, 08:55 PM
Gordon was the system in 2006. I think that's the main difference now. They have players everywhere, infield, outfield, and especially pitching.

Yes, but it doesn't change the fact that '06 him would be our #1 now.

And I agree with duncan that there were warning signs, but we have that now with our big prospects:

1. Moose's strike-zone judgment has been questioned.
2. Hosmer, literally, couldn't see.
**agree that these two have taken steps, especially Hosmer**
3. Myers is going to move positions (I hope). And he's young as hell and likely has never sniffed failure, either.
4. Montgomery has had some injuries.

Look, I'm not predicting failure. Far from it. Like any other halfway knowledgeable Royals fan, I'm ****ing pumped about all our prospects. But this doesn't change the fact that everyone thought it was a lock that Gordon would be a monster, and it didn't happen. Therefore, I can sympathize with the pessimists.

gblowfish
01-21-2011, 08:56 PM
Is Gordon "dominating" yet?

Note to Alex: Slide feet first, dipshit.

alnorth
01-21-2011, 09:26 PM
Alex Gordon: the poster child for why many fans don't believe.

Talk all you want about depth, overwhelming numbers, etc. The fact remains, '06 Gordon would be the #1 prospect in the system. Yeah, there might be some banter about Myers and Hosmer, but Gordon would be #1.

And if he can fail, anyone can fail. And thus the understandable skepticism.

Certainly it's going to work this time, right? Right?

Just to borrow a gambling analogy, since that is one of my weaknesses. (You can see me at the local blackjack or craps table at least once or twice a month), anyone can crap out. When Gordon came up, the dice were handed to us and we rolled snake eyes. (well, actually that would have been good for me since I always play the dont's, but that distracts from this analogy)

This time we've got 10 or 15 chips to play with, betting one chip at a time. What are the odds we lose on 10 or more of these guys? Its not just depth and its not just impact players, we've got a silly abundance of impact prospects. It really is hard for us to screw this one up.

I'm an atheist, but if the Royals suck in 2014, I'll start to wonder simply because this would seem to be overwhelming evidence that some kind of God hates my favorite baseball team.

Reaper16
01-21-2011, 09:33 PM
Just to borrow a gambling analogy, since that is one of my weaknesses. (You can see me at the local blackjack or craps table at least once or twice a month), anyone can crap out. When Gordon came up, the dice were handed to us and we rolled snake eyes. (well, actually that would have been good for me since I always play the dont's, but that distracts from this analogy)

This time we've got 10 or 15 chips to play with, betting one chip at a time. What are the odds we lose on 10 or more of these guys? Its not just depth and its not just impact players, we've got a silly abundance of impact prospects. It really is hard for us to screw this one up.

I'm an atheist, but if the Royals suck in 2014, I'll start to wonder simply because this would seem to be overwhelming evidence that some kind of God hates my favorite baseball team.
Yes. The skepticism is not warranted because the odds are so heavily in favor of a positive outcome that there might as well not be any odds. It's nearly mathematically and statistically impossible for the Royals to have this blow up in their face.

keg in kc
01-21-2011, 09:37 PM
Yes, but it doesn't change the fact that '06 him would be our #1 now. That doesn't really mean anything, that was perhaps the point I was trying to make...

If one or two of these guys flame out (and no doubt they will...) the farm system isn't empty. There's no "great white hope", "boom-or-bust", "if this one guy doesn't make it we're doomed" thing going on now. They're going to be coming up in waves now. And they're developing more waves behind the initial waves.

It's sort of like what's going on with the Chiefs right now - this is oddly a random thought I had earlier in the day - the organizations are being built in a completely different way now than they were 5 years ago, and this may be the first time in a long time (at least as long as I've lived here) where there's some actual reason to have hope for the future. It's not just a matter of being a blind homer now.

I mean, seriously, it's not just a pipe dream to think that we'd have very good teams here in both football and baseball by 2012 or 2013. It's forcing me to kind of change the way I look at both teams.

duncan_idaho
01-21-2011, 09:37 PM
Yes, but it doesn't change the fact that '06 him would be our #1 now.

And I agree with duncan that there were warning signs, but we have that now with our big prospects:

1. Moose's strike-zone judgment has been questioned.
2. Hosmer, literally, couldn't see.
**agree that these two have taken steps, especially Hosmer**
3. Myers is going to move positions (I hope). And he's young as hell and likely has never sniffed failure, either.
4. Montgomery has had some injuries.

Look, I'm not predicting failure. Far from it. Like any other halfway knowledgeable Royals fan, I'm ****ing pumped about all our prospects. But this doesn't change the fact that everyone thought it was a lock that Gordon would be a monster, and it didn't happen. Therefore, I can sympathize with the pessimists.

I know what you mean.

But the good news is that though Gordon would likely be most people's No. 1, it would be close. And some people would make the case for Moustakas or Hosmer or even Myers.

It would take a miracle for more than half the prospects to not be at least solid big league players. And you're going to find some stars in there while you're at it.

DeezNutz
01-21-2011, 09:43 PM
Just to borrow a gambling analogy, since that is one of my weaknesses. (You can see me at the local blackjack or craps table at least once or twice a month), anyone can crap out. When Gordon came up, the dice were handed to us and we rolled snake eyes. (well, actually that would have been good for me since I always play the dont's, but that distracts from this analogy)

This time we've got 10 or 15 chips to play with, betting one chip at a time. What are the odds we lose on 10 or more of these guys? Its not just depth and its not just impact players, we've got a silly abundance of impact prospects. It really is hard for us to screw this one up.

I'm an atheist, but if the Royals suck in 2014, I'll start to wonder simply because this would seem to be overwhelming evidence that some kind of God hates my favorite baseball team.

What would almost be more painful than a monumental flame out would be if the majority of these prospects end up being "meh" or average ML players. Is it too much to ask for our own superstar position player/pitcher without any baggage? Preferably a position player.

alnorth
01-21-2011, 10:05 PM
What would almost be more painful than a monumental flame out would be if the majority of these prospects end up being "meh" or average ML players. Is it too much to ask for our own superstar position player/pitcher without any baggage? Preferably a position player.

Just to play devil's advocate, I'm reminded of this recent recent fangraphs article (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/royals-farm-system-best-of-the-decade/) back in December where they started to analyze the royals farm hype.

Even though they had to reluctantly agree that our farm was fantastic, at least a couple teams have recently failed to become good within a few years despite having great farm systems. Their weakness? Their GM's failed to excel anywhere else aside from developing in-house prospects; no outstanding trades and no great free agents.

So, it would not be impossible to blow this golden chance we have, but the cards have not been stacked this far in our favor in decades. Especially given our weak division where every other year it seems to me that some mediocre Chicago/Minnesota/Detroit team that seems merely "OK" manages to win our pathetic division. If we become legitimately good, we could have a stranglehold on the AL Central.

kcfanXIII
01-21-2011, 11:30 PM
A division that a young talented team could easily take control of for years to come.

if they do compete it will be for a couple years, no longer. All this talent will be traded by 2016, and we will be told to wait for 2020. Unless glass does us all a favor and wraps his lips around a .44 magnum and squeezes the trigger.

KChiefs1
01-21-2011, 11:43 PM
http://www.omahabaseball360.com/1/post/2011/01/q-a-with-alex-gordon-during-royals-caravan-stop.html

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by Lee Warren

The Kansas City Royals Caravan rolled into Omaha on Thursday, making a stop at Children’s Hospital & Medical Center to visit children and then moved on to the Ultimate Baseball Academy where players took questions from fans and signed autographs.

Alex Gordon, Luke Hochevar, Frank White and John Mayberry were on the caravan this year. Mitch Meier was scheduled to be there as well, but was unable to make it due to travel issues. Gordon, Hochevar, and White met with the media at the hospital and you’ll be able to read what they had to say here over the next few days.

Here is the Q & A with Gordon:

Talk about the work you’ve been doing during the off-season.

Usually during the off-season I do a lot of infield work as far as ground balls and everything. But right now I’m just trying to keep my speed in shape and my arm strength healthy. I kind of learned from DeJesus – training with him the last couple of years – what he did as an outfielder. I just follow his work ethic and what he did.

What are your thoughts about the off-season moves—trading DeJesus, trading Greinke?

It’s always sad to see guys go who you know and who are good players you feel can help the team, but that’s part of the game and part of the business. I think they made some good trades and brought in some new guys who are going to help out. I think you are going to see that in Spring Training and we’ll see what they can do.

A lot of people seem to think the team is waiting for 2012—

Well, hopefully a lot of people are going to think that and hopefully we can surprise some people. I know people outside of here aren’t going to believe in us, but I know inside the clubhouse we’re going to have an attitude that we’re going to play hard; we’ll have a young clubhouse that’s going to go out there and compete and do anything they can to win. Hopefully that will grow on everybody.

Talk about the team signing Jeff Francoeur and Melky Cabrera.

I’ve known Jeff for a while and I know Dayton really wanted him over here because of his leadership and the kind of teammate he is, so it was good to get him in here. We know he has some great baseball ability and hopefully he can show it off here.

For the past couple of years, you haven’t been able to play start to finish.

Yeah, you know, the last couple of years have been disappointing to say the least – injuries, getting sent down, a position change – you’ve just got to stay positive and look ahead instead of looking in the past. I know in my mind it’s going to be a good year.

Your numbers have been down the past couple of years. Is that due to injuries and not being able to get into a rhythm?

It could be. I don’t want to sit here and try and blow excuses to you. But the numbers were down, so that’s what it is. I need to pick it up and rebound and help the team out better than I’ve done the last two years.

You’ve got to feel good though about the way you came down to Omaha last year to learn how to play the outfield. You took good routes to the ball, made some great throws and convinced people that you really were a legitimate outfielder.

The first couple of weeks (in Omaha) were definitely not like that. I was taking bad routes. I’ll be honest, it was tough to judge the ball off the bat and get the angles down. [And it probably didn’t help that] I was using a pitcher’s glove in the outfield because I didn’t have one. But playing every day and getting that repetition and just getting acclimated to the outfield helped. I think I got better every week. When I got called up I was feeling a lot more comfortable.

You worked with Kevin Seitzer during the off-season. Have you done that before?

Yeah, since he’s been the hitting coach. He stays in Kansas City and obviously I’m there so we always get started pretty early. This year was no different. We started around December 1. Lucas May has been coming with me too.

Have you changed anything significant about your hitting?

Yeah. I can’t tell you though [laughter]. I’ll let you guys find out in Spring Training. But yeah, we’ve been making some adjustments and I know it was something he wanted to do with me last season when I got called up, but to do it in the middle of the season, it’s kind of hard to change your ways. There are a couple of things we’re doing different and I think it feels good and it’s going to work.

How difficult is to make a change like that?

It is tough, but you’ve got to let the ego go. Seitzer knows what he’s talking about. He’s been there and he’s done it. You’ve just got to believe in other people sometimes and we believe in Seitzer. We believe in what he’s preaching.

One thing fans ask about is a quote attributed to you saying you were going to dominate. Were you just feeling it that day, or what?

What did you want me to say, I was going to do – ahhhhhhh okay? Okay, maybe dominate wasn’t the right word. A reporter came up to me when I was taking BP and asked me how I was going to do next year and was just kind of throwing that around – adrenaline [flowing] while taking BP and I was like, “I’m going to dominate.” I think it got blown out of proportion. I think I’m going to play a lot better than I did the last couple of years, but maybe people took “dominate” the wrong way. I didn’t want to say, “I’m going to do okay.” I didn’t really know it was an interview. He was just kind of asking me. And that’s just what I said.

Do you feel relaxed having the contract issue behind you? You always have to prove yourself though ...

When I sign my contract I don’t think my mindset changes at all. I was going in there to prove something. You know, the last couple of years, I think people are kind of giving up on me and hopefully I can do what I think I’m capable of doing.

At the same time, is there a you have to produce now type of mentality – not that that has never been the case with you.

Yeah, you’re in the big leagues. You got to. There’s young kids and we’ve got a lot of young kids coming now and they’re going to be nipping at your heels and you’ve got to do something to help the team.

You’ve admitted that you’ve heard the talk about you [not putting up good numbers]. If you put together a good year, how good is that going to feel?

You know, it’s going to feel great, but to be honest, I’ve been here for four years and I think I just want to win. And even if I have an okay year, and we’re winning, that’s fine with me. It’s going to make the season a lot better and everybody enjoy it a lot more.

What do you think about the minor league system? The talk is that it’s the best in baseball.

I’ve seen a couple of them – Hosmer and Moustakas – I haven’t seen some of the young arms, but just hearing about them, you can’t really ignore it. They’re coming up and I think Ned knows he’s hopefully going to build the team around some of those guys and hopefully they can help us – if not this year then hopefully in the next couple of years.

duncan_idaho
01-21-2011, 11:57 PM
if they do compete it will be for a couple years, no longer. All this talent will be traded by 2016, and we will be told to wait for 2020. Unless glass does us all a favor and wraps his lips around a .44 magnum and squeezes the trigger.

Actually, I'd bet that NO ONE who is currently in the minor leagues will be traded by 2016. As one of the key rookies would have to break spring training with the big club to even be in his final year of team control. And that's not going to happen.

They're not going to pay to keep EVERYBODY. But the Royals will be able to keep the best of this crop of players. The key is having a farm system that will keep producing (see the Twins, for a close example).

And the second wave already looks very promising.

kcfanXIII
01-22-2011, 12:11 AM
Actually, I'd bet that NO ONE who is currently in the minor leagues will be traded by 2016. As one of the key rookies would have to break spring training with the big club to even be in his final year of team control. And that's not going to happen.

They're not going to pay to keep EVERYBODY. But the Royals will be able to keep the best of this crop of players. The key is having a farm system that will keep producing (see the Twins, for a close example).

And the second wave already looks very promising.

It doesn't matter when they get traded. The point is they will be trade, because that's what Glass does. The guy wouldn't know how to run a winning franchise if they made a "for dummies" book for it. Oh the guy can turn a profit, while the winning clubs write him a revenue sharing check. But he will never put winning above profit.

duncan_idaho
01-22-2011, 12:20 AM
It doesn't matter when they get traded. The point is they will be trade, because that's what Glass does. The guy wouldn't know how to run a winning franchise if they made a "for dummies" book for it. Oh the guy can turn a profit, while the winning clubs write him a revenue sharing check. But he will never put winning above profit.

If you can't see the changes in the way the franchise is being run, you're not looking, man.

I understand the frustration, but if Glass is willing to pump the payroll into the $70-80 million range, the Royals will be able to spend some of that cash on keeping the key young players, like the Twins have done with Morneau and Mauer.

Glass changed the way he was running the organization when he hired Dayton Moore. This is never going to be a team that spends freely in free agency, but it is a team that will spend competitively with similar markets now.

And that's enough to keep your best talent while continuing to spend the money on scouting and development to keep more coming through the system.

kcfanXIII
01-22-2011, 12:41 AM
If you can't see the changes in the way the franchise is being run, you're not looking, man.

I understand the frustration, but if Glass is willing to pump the payroll into the $70-80 million range, the Royals will be able to spend some of that cash on keeping the key young players, like the Twins have done with Morneau and Mauer.

Glass changed the way he was running the organization when he hired Dayton Moore. This is never going to be a team that spends freely in free agency, but it is a team that will spend competitively with similar markets now.

And that's enough to keep your best talent while continuing to spend the money on scouting and development to keep more coming through the system.

you expect him to just double the payroll? He has shown no tendency to do so in the past. And your wrong. Im not frustrated, I'm Fucking pissed. There is NO commitment to winning on the major league level. And I've seen enough failed youth movements to get my hopes up. Its the SHOW ME state. And the only thing I've been shown is a worthless pile of Shit that's getting harder and harder to justify spending money on.

duncan_idaho
01-22-2011, 12:55 AM
you expect him to just double the payroll? He has shown no tendency to do so in the past. And your wrong. Im not frustrated, I'm ****ing pissed. There is NO commitment to winning on the major league level. And I've seen enough failed youth movements to get my hopes up. Its the SHOW ME state. And the only thing I've been shown is a worthless pile of Shit that's getting harder and harder to justify spending money on.

The payroll went into the 75 million range the past few seasons. I'm not expecting an instant doubling of the payroll ... Just a return to where he has OK'd taking it in the recent past.

I understand where you're coming from. Read up on he farm system yourself. You'll quickly realize that they've not done a youth movement the right way before ... The way they're doing it now.

jbwm89
01-22-2011, 01:11 AM
The payroll went into the 75 million range the past few seasons. I'm not expecting an instant doubling of the payroll ... Just a return to where he has OK'd taking it in the recent past.

I understand where you're coming from. Read up on he farm system yourself. You'll quickly realize that they've not done a youth movement the right way before ... The way they're doing it now.

high payroll does not equal winning. There is no reason to sign anyone this year to a long term contract. Find me a player you want to lock up for 3-4 years instead of letting a prospect play.

I am so sick of the royals arent good bc we don't spend money, the rays. twins etc did not get where they were by spending money.

kcfanXIII
01-22-2011, 01:43 AM
high payroll does not equal winning. There is no reason to sign anyone this year to a long term contract. Find me a player you want to lock up for 3-4 years instead of letting a prospect play.

I am so sick of the royals arent good bc we don't spend money, the rays. twins etc did not get where they were by spending money.

Im not saying go get guys... Im saying keep our own guys. Tired of watching the beltrans, Damons, and Grienkes traded off and/or not resigned. Until the Fucking cheapskate and the dumbass prove they care about winning they will remain on my shit list. I refuse to get my hopes up for the prospects. I don't watch minor league baseball. Don't give a shit about it. Im not from Omaha. I voted to renovate a stadium for a MAJOR LEAGUE TEAM. Glass is stealing from Jackson county and the other owners of big market teams. Royals MLB payroll i read is somewhere around 45 mil. That's laughable. And the nerve of that Fucking idiot Dayton Moore to tell the fans of KC to be patient. Doesn't that Fucktard realize its been 26 years of miserable baseball. This season should be free because of that statement.

DeezNutz
01-22-2011, 07:21 AM
high payroll does not equal winning. There is no reason to sign anyone this year to a long term contract. Find me a player you want to lock up for 3-4 years instead of letting a prospect play.

I am so sick of the royals arent good bc we don't spend money, the rays. twins etc did not get where they were by spending money.

Overall, I agree, but now that the Twins are "there," complete with a new stadium, they have a sizable payroll; this needs to be the model for the Royals. $70M will not be sufficient.

While Glass has been better, Kietzman (I know, I know) made an interesting point the other day: Glass has essentially not agreed to interview requests ever since the vote passed for the stadium improvements. He was around for a brief period when the All-Star Game was announced, but otherwise...nothing. But he was glad to make many an appearance to lock up $200M+ of tax payer money.

So I'm sorry. Glass might be better, but there are still some very interesting douche signs reverberating from Arkansas. Furthermore, I will never fully give him a pass for shitting on this franchise for the better part of a decade. He tried to kill it, and now it's (somewhat) being brought back from the grave. Ultimately, fuck him.

KChiefs1
01-22-2011, 09:49 AM
Figures have been exchanged. Last year Butler made $470,000. Butler is seeking $4.3MM this year, and the Royals offered $3.4MM.

They are close enough that I think they will meet in the middle to avoid arbitration, something a little bit under 4.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/01/royals-butler-agree-to-long-term-contract.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


Billy Butler Agrees To Extension With Royals (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/01/royals-butler-agree-to-long-term-contract.html)

By Mike Axisa [January 22, 2011 at 10:11am CST]

The Royals and Billy Butler (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/butlebi03.shtml?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker&utm_campaign=Linker) have agreed to a four-year, $30MM contract extension according to MLB.com's Dick Kaegel (on Twitter (http://twitter.com/KCKaegel/status/28846827826581504)).

The deal buys out all three of Butler's arbitration-eligible years and one year of free agency.

MLBTR's Arbitration Tracker (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/arbtracker2011) shows that Butler filed for $4.3MM in arbitration earlier this week while the Royals countered with $3.4MM.

Kansas City recently picked up an extra $12.4MM when Gil Meche (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mechegi01.shtml?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker&utm_campaign=Linker) unexpectedly retired (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/01/gil-meche-announces-retirement.html).

Butler, 25 in April, has hit .309/.375/.480 with 36 homers over the last two seasons.

Just 28 players boast an OPS that high during that time (min. 1,000 PA), but Evan Longoria (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/longoev01.shtml?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker&utm_campaign=Linker), Carlos Gonzalez (http://www.baseball-reference.com/player_search.cgi?search=Carlos+Gonzalez&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker&utm_campaign=Linker), Ryan Zimmerman (http://www.baseball-reference.com/player_search.cgi?search=Ryan+Zimmerman&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker&utm_campaign=Linker), Troy Tulowitzki (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/tulowtr01.shtml?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker&utm_campaign=Linker), and Butler are the only ones to do so at age 25 or younger. Clearly, the Royals first baseman has emerged as one of the game's most dangerous young hitters.

Kansas City owns the game's best farm system, and they've now ensured that their best position player at the Major League level will be around when some of those highly touted prospects start to arrive. MLBTR's readers discussed Butler's future (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/01/%3Ca%20href=%22http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/01/royals-butler-agree-to-long-term-contract.html%22%3EBilly%20Butler%20Agrees%20To%20Extension%20With%20Royals%3C/a%3E) with the Royals after the team traded (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/brewers-acquire-zack-greinke.html) Zack Greinke (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/greinza01.shtml?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker&utm_campaign=Linker) to the Brewers last month.

Bowser
01-22-2011, 09:56 AM
Good deal.

Now, if Billy can manage to drop 15 lbs or so and get his HR's to around the 30-34 mark, this deal will look genius.

Infidel Goat
01-22-2011, 09:58 AM
The Butler signing looks like a great deal..

Infidel Goat
01-22-2011, 09:59 AM
Good deal.

Now, if Billy can manage to drop 15 lbs or so and get his HR's to around the 30-34 mark, this deal will look genius.

He's going to be our DH. I don't care if he gains 15 lbs (half of it fat) if his HR total climbs...

DeezNutz
01-22-2011, 10:00 AM
Excellent.

duncan_idaho
01-22-2011, 10:01 AM
The guy who deserves an extension just got one. Everyone else? We will wait for it. Soria already has a good deal in place. Everyone else needs to prove he deserves it ... Until then, the payroll is going to be low.

keg in kc
01-22-2011, 10:06 AM
I remember listening to some of an interview with Butler several weeks ago, around the time of Grienke's trade, when he talked about how he wanted to stay in Kansas City and be part of the team for a long time. First sign he might have been serious, although it does only cover a year of FA.

kcfanXIII
01-22-2011, 10:07 AM
He's going to be our DH. I don't care if he gains 15 lbs (half of it fat) if his HR total climbs...

Glass wants the same thing, it would drive his trade value up.


And there is a reason the son of a bitch won't do interviews. Its called a guilty conscience, and he doesn't want to get called on his lies. JaCo taxpayers have every right to be pissed at him. And if i saw the mother Fucker in public i would call him on it.

Bowser
01-22-2011, 10:19 AM
He's going to be our DH. I don't care if he gains 15 lbs (half of it fat) if his HR total climbs...

It would be nice to know he can make it home from 2nd on a sharp liner to left center......

duncan_idaho
01-22-2011, 10:24 AM
Glass wants the same thing, it would drive his trade value up.


And there is a reason the son of a bitch won't do interviews. Its called a guilty conscience, and he doesn't want to get called on his lies. JaCo taxpayers have every right to be pissed at him. And if i saw the mother ****er in public i would call him on it.

You realize that the Greinke trade was not price related, right? They talked extension again, he said "hell no" and then started talking about not reporting for ST.

kcfanXIII
01-22-2011, 10:56 AM
You realize that the Greinke trade was not price related, right? They talked extension again, he said "hell no" and then started talking about not reporting for ST.

and whose fault is it we sucked so bad a competitive guy like Greinke wants out? I completely understand his wanting out. As pissed as I am, I'm just a fan. If i were a player of Zack's caliber id be pissed too if my gm said we wouldn't compete for another two years. Like I said, this season should be free if the team isn't trying to win. Keep making excuses, but don't look for sympathy when they let you down.... Again.

duncan_idaho
01-22-2011, 11:01 AM
and whose fault is it we sucked so bad a competitive guy like Greinke wants out? I completely understand his wanting out. As pissed as I am, I'm just a fan. If i were a player of Zack's caliber id be pissed too if my gm said we wouldn't compete for another two years. Like I said, this season should be free if the team isn't trying to win. Keep making excuses, but don't look for sympathy when they let you down.... Again.

Fault?

1) Pre-dayton David Glass
2) Allard Baird
3) Alex Gordon
4) Trey Hillman/Gil Meche

Saul Good
01-22-2011, 11:03 AM
Fault?

1) Pre-dayton David Glass
2) Allard Baird
3) Alex Gordon
4) Trey Hillman/Gil Meche

Add ZG to that list. He's been an underachiever his entire career save one season.

Rams Fan
01-22-2011, 11:04 AM
Add ZG to that list. He's been an underachiever his entire career save one season.

Greinke's been identical to Marcum. Hell, Marcum might be better than Greinke.

KChiefs1
01-22-2011, 11:05 AM
Add ZG to that list. He's been an underachiever his entire career save one season.

People might look back on the Greinke trade & say Dayton Moore fleeced the Brewers.

DeezNutz
01-22-2011, 11:16 AM
Fault?

1) Pre-dayton David Glass
2) Allard Baird
3) Alex Gordon
4) Trey Hillman/Gil Meche

Any GM with those types of financial limitations would have been a disaster. We're still recovering from Glass neglecting the franchise, so #1-4 should look the same.

chiefqueen
01-22-2011, 11:17 AM
Butler signed through 2014.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/01/royals-butler-agree-to-long-term-contract.html?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=twitterfeed

kcfanXIII
01-22-2011, 11:19 AM
Glass is the one who has allowed this team to fall into the depths of suck that it is now. He has turned a profit, and that is all he cares about. He fields a bunch of AAAA players, charges major league ticket prices, and collects his revenue sharing check. Because of Glass's philosophy, the big market teams will always have someone to use as an argument against true revenue sharing and the leveling of the playing field.

Deberg_1990
01-22-2011, 11:24 AM
but hey, KC gets the All Star Game next year!

Chiefspants
01-22-2011, 11:31 AM
Add ZG to that list. He's been an underachiever his entire career save one season.

Yeah, this is pretty much incorrect, a 13-10 record with a 3.47 era would not be a disappointing year for any pitcher.

alnorth
01-22-2011, 11:49 AM
you expect him to just double the payroll? He has shown no tendency to do so in the past. And your wrong.

Yeah... you obviously haven't paid attention to our payroll, because this statement is clearly wrong.

I don't know what happened to him, my theory is that David Glass was kidnapped by space-aliens right before DM was hired and replaced with a look-alike, because he is acting like a new owner.

alnorth
01-22-2011, 11:55 AM
I remember listening to some of an interview with Butler several weeks ago, around the time of Grienke's trade, when he talked about how he wanted to stay in Kansas City and be part of the team for a long time. First sign he might have been serious, although it does only cover a year of FA.

The length of the contract is perfect as far as I'm concerned. He's a good hitter who has publicly put himself out there as a loyal soldier for the team. On the other hand, he also won't have a position when Hosmer comes up.

4 years at a $7.5MM AAV for a good DH sounds about right.

DeezNutz
01-22-2011, 12:01 PM
Yeah... you obviously haven't paid attention to our payroll, because this statement is clearly wrong.

I don't know what happened to him, my theory is that David Glass was kidnapped by space-aliens right before DM was hired and replaced with a look-alike, because he is acting like a new owner.

My guess: he's getting so much in terms of revenue sharing that other owners forced him to spend a respectable amount.

Add to that the fact that DM turned down the job multiple times because the franchise was at "joke level," which was an eye-opening moment.

Regardless, over the next 5 years, our ML payroll is going to need to get to MN Twins level.

ChiefsCountry
01-22-2011, 12:03 PM
Regardless, over the next 5 years, our ML payroll is going to need to get to MN Twins level.

If our young talent deserves the money then we should reach that level.

Saul Good
01-22-2011, 12:14 PM
Yeah, this is pretty much incorrect, a 13-10 record with a 3.47 era would not be a disappointing year for any pitcher.

I don't know where he ranked that season, but a 3.47 ERA would have put him 32nd out of 93 qualifying starters in MLB this season. The win total would have tied him for 41st. He was a good starter, but he wasn't an ace. He would have been a solid #2 on a good team.

jbwm89
01-22-2011, 12:20 PM
Overall, I agree, but now that the Twins are "there," complete with a new stadium, they have a sizable payroll; this needs to be the model for the Royals. $70M will not be sufficient.

While Glass has been better, Kietzman (I know, I know) made an interesting point the other day: Glass has essentially not agreed to interview requests ever since the vote passed for the stadium improvements. He was around for a brief period when the All-Star Game was announced, but otherwise...nothing. But he was glad to make many an appearance to lock up $200M+ of tax payer money.

So I'm sorry. Glass might be better, but there are still some very interesting douche signs reverberating from Arkansas. Furthermore, I will never fully give him a pass for shitting on this franchise for the better part of a decade. He tried to kill it, and now it's (somewhat) being brought back from the grave. Ultimately, **** him.

I hate Glass especially for what he did, but since the DM signing there is not a whole lot to complain about. Spending money right now will not help things one bit, if we get good and don't sign these guys to long term deals then I will be absolutely livid.

keg in kc
01-22-2011, 12:21 PM
The length of the contract is perfect as far as I'm concerned. He's a good hitter who has publicly put himself out there as a loyal soldier for the team. On the other hand, he also won't have a position when Hosmer comes up.

4 years at a $7.5MM AAV for a good DH sounds about right.I wasn't criticizing the contract in any way, only pointing out that we won't really know how much of a "loyal soldier" he is until he signs his next contract.

Grienke also signed a four year extension at one point, back in 2009..."Each year we've improved and it looks like we're going to continue to," he said. "And that's pretty exciting for me because like I said, three or four years ago I didn't see it coming. It's really taken a good turn for the better.

"Three years ago I was in the minor leagues, two years ago I was in the bullpen not capable of getting hitters out as a starter. Just coming from being so low in those situations to being, after one good year, a really good deal and the chance to stay with Kansas City for four more years. ... It's just really neat to look back at it."

Reaper16
01-22-2011, 12:23 PM
lol @ the retconning of Greinke.

jbwm89
01-22-2011, 12:23 PM
So what do we do if Kila has a monster year and Butler continues to be a solid producer? move one of Kila/Hosmer to RF? Trade one?

DeezNutz
01-22-2011, 12:29 PM
So what do we do if Kila has a monster year and Butler continues to be a solid producer? move one of Kila/Hosmer to RF? Trade one?

Hosmer is going to play 1B at an elite level, we hope. Myers is our RF of the future. As always, Kila will be the odd man out.

keg in kc
01-22-2011, 12:30 PM
So what do we do if Kila has a monster year and Butler continues to be a solid producer? move one of Kila/Hosmer to RF? Trade one?I know they (meaning DM and the Royals) love Kila, but I still think he's maybe a AAAA hitter.

DeezNutz
01-22-2011, 12:31 PM
I hate Glass especially for what he did, but since the DM signing there is not a whole lot to complain about. Spending money right now will not help things one bit, if we get good and don't sign these guys to long term deals then I will be absolutely livid.

Haven't said anything to the contrary. In the very near future, though, a ML payroll threshold around $70M will not be acceptable.

keg in kc
01-22-2011, 12:31 PM
lol @ the retconning of Greinke.It was pretty funny, I googled to make sure it wasn't my imagination that he'd signed an extension and came across an article with that quote (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3861561). It was like a mixture of :eek: and LMAO Not sure why, but I'd almost completely forgotten all of that.

My how things change...

Saul Good
01-22-2011, 12:32 PM
lol @ the retconning of Greinke.

The guy is supremely talented, but he's a sub .500 career pitcher who walked away from the team once and didn't want to be here after signing his contract. How can anyone deny that he has been a career underachiever?

I'll grant that an underachieving Greinke makes him better than average, but he deserves his share of blame for the team's struggles. When you never know if your team's best player is going to f*ck around on the mound and throw whatever the hell he feels like throwing, that's a problem.

The Brewers should be a contender, so they should see the best of Zack, but that doesn't absolve him for his petulance in KC.

Sure-Oz
01-22-2011, 12:33 PM
Kila will start at DH/1b all year right? im hoping he can put up solid #'s to be trade worthy

DeezNutz
01-22-2011, 12:39 PM
The guy is supremely talented, but he's a sub .500 career pitcher who walked away from the team once and didn't want to be here after signing his contract. How can anyone deny that he has been a career underachiever?

I'll grant that an underachieving Greinke makes him better than average, but he deserves his share of blame for the team's struggles. When you never know if your team's best player is going to f*ck around on the mound and throw whatever the hell he feels like throwing, that's a problem.

The Brewers should be a contender, so they should see the best of Zack, but that doesn't absolve him for his petulance in KC.

Nonsense.

I like how a team's best player is often blamed for the shit that surrounds him. While I grant that Greinke is a fucking flake and could (and should) have had a more significant role earlier, he has been the least of the team's problems the last several years.

1. The ML roster construction has been abysmal. Who's fault is that?
2. Hillman is arguably one of the worst managers in ML history. Who brought him to KC?

For as strong is our farm system is, DM deserves a shit ton of blame for things at the ML level. Ironically, he largely gets a pass from most fans.

Sure-Oz
01-22-2011, 12:41 PM
This has to be DM's best offseason ever i must admit...his MLB moves need to improve

Saul Good
01-22-2011, 12:47 PM
Nonsense.

I like how a team's best player is often blamed for the shit that surrounds him. While I grant that Greinke is a ****ing flake and could (and should) have had a more significant role earlier, he has been the least of the team's problems the last several years.

1. The ML roster construction has been abysmal. Who's fault is that?
2. Hillman is arguably one of the worst managers in ML history. Who brought him to KC?

For as strong is our farm system is, DM deserves a shit ton of blame for things at the ML level. Ironically, he largely gets a pass from most fans.

He didn't walk away from the team? He didn't throw under 80 MPH for innings at a time just for his own amusement? He doesn't have a career ERA of 4+ outside of his one great season?

I'm not excusing DG, DM, or anyone else for the team's failures. There is plenty of blame to go around. Zack is the most talented player the Royals have had in nearly a decade, and he mailed it in a good portion of the time. He doesn't get a pass for his behavior from me. When Meche was on top of his game, we would have had a damned good staff had Greinke pitched to his potential.

DeezNutz
01-22-2011, 12:52 PM
He didn't walk away from the team? He didn't throw under 80 MPH for innings at a time just for his own amusement? He doesn't have a career ERA of 4+ outside of his one great season?

I'm not excusing DG, DM, or anyone else for the team's failures. There is plenty of blame to go around. Zack is the most talented player the Royals have had in nearly a decade, and he mailed it in a good portion of the time. He doesn't get a pass for his behavior from me. When Meche was on top of his game, we would have had a damned good staff had Greinke pitched to his potential.

From '08-10 Greinke shouldn't be on the radar of Royals problems. He was also very, very good in his rookie season.

I agree that he flaked out on them from '05-mid '07. Those teams were impressive clusterfucks in general.

Bowser
01-22-2011, 12:57 PM
Kila will start at DH/1b all year right? im hoping he can put up solid #'s to be trade worthy

That was my question, as well - Billy and Kila platooning at 1b, with Hosmer and the rest of the wunderkids at Omaha?

KChiefs1
01-22-2011, 12:58 PM
Hosmer is going to play 1B at an elite level, we hope. Myers is our RF of the future. As always, Kila will be the odd man out.

Why isn't Eibner looked at more of a RF instead of Myers?
Eibner's arm is by far superior to Myers arm & imho that is the make or break for a RFer.

Outfield:
LF: Myers
CF: Cain
RF: Eibner

DeezNutz
01-22-2011, 01:01 PM
Why isn't Eibner looked at more of a RF instead of Myers?
Eibner's arm is by far superior to Myers arm & imho that is the make or break for a RFer.

My understanding is that the hope is that Eibner will play CF.

Bowser
01-22-2011, 01:01 PM
Why isn't Eibner looked at more of a RF instead of Myers?
Eibner's arm is by far superior to Myers arm & imho that is the make or break for a RFer.

That was the ONE THING I liked about Guillen, outside of his occasional burst of hitting - guy had and RPG for an arm, when he actually played out there.

You know, he didn't play enough for me to like. Fuck Guillen.

DeezNutz
01-22-2011, 01:02 PM
That was the ONE THING I liked about Guillen, outside of his occasional burst of hitting - guy had and RPG for an arm, when he actually played out there.

You know, he didn't play enough for me to like. **** Guillen.

WTI loved the fact that Guillen always hit the cut-off man.

Reaper16
01-22-2011, 01:17 PM
From '08-10 Greinke shouldn't be on the radar of Royals problems. He was also very, very good in his rookie season.

I agree that he flaked out on them from '05-mid '07. Those teams were impressive clusterfucks in general.
Part of the "flaking out" was because of his clinical social anxiety, let's (and by let's I mean Saul Good) not discount that.

DeezNutz
01-22-2011, 01:29 PM
Part of the "flaking out" was because of his clinical social anxiety, let's (and by let's I mean Saul Good) not discount that.

Right. I was using the more technical term.

jbwm89
01-22-2011, 01:43 PM
Haven't said anything to the contrary. In the very near future, though, a ML payroll threshold around $70M will not be acceptable.

I didnt mean to indicate that you thought differently, I was speaking with just Royals fans in general.

Something north of 70 mil will be necessary just to keep our talent around.

alnorth
01-22-2011, 01:44 PM
Kila will start at DH/1b all year right? im hoping he can put up solid #'s to be trade worthy

There's no choice, Kila is out of options. He's up for good, and if everything works out then someone will have to be traded out.