Lakers Nuggets initiate Carmelo Talk

[whoaskew]

<I searched, so if this is a repost you can kiss my nuggets>


My God, I hope this happens.


http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6101304




The Lakers and the Denver Nuggets have had preliminary discussions about a blockbuster trade that would send Carmelo Anthony to Los Angeles, according to league sources. The Lakers' package would be built around Andrew Bynum.

Talks are in the preliminary stages, but it appears that another option besides the New York Knicks has materialized for the Nuggets.

"There have been discussions between the two teams," one of the sources said. "The Lakers are definitely an option."

It is believed that the Lakers have not yet made an offer for Anthony but that the two clubs have merely had discussions.

Los Angeles has long viewed Bynum as a building block and potential star, but a series of knee injuries throughout his six-year career has frustrated the Lakers to the point that one source said the club would consider moving him. Bynum missed the first 24 games of this season while recovering from offseason knee surgery and also missed a game last week with a bruised knee.

Pau Gasol starts at center in Bynum's absence, with Odom moving to power forward, and the Lakers' record of 18-7 without Bynum this season is better than their record with him (18-9).

The Lakers' front office is not in full agreement on dealing Bynum, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher. Jim Buss, son of owner Jerry, was in charge of the franchise when Bynum was drafted with the 10th pick in 2005 and has consistently resisted any attempts to move him, including a deal for free-agent-to-be Chris Bosh last season.

A Lakers source told ESPNLosAngeles.com Tuesday that the deal won't happen, and the New York Daily News cited an unnamed source in saying that the Lakers actually shot down a deal with Denver that included Bynum. But another league source maintained that a potential deal involving Anthony and Bynum is not dead.

Of course, Anthony, who can opt out of his contract after this season, would likely have to agree to sign a three-year, $65 million extension with the Lakers for them to part with Bynum. But Los Angeles is believed to be a city Anthony would be amenable to playing in, as he and his wife, La La Vasquez, bought a home there last summer. Two people close to Anthony said the Nuggets superstar would sign off on a deal that would make him a Laker.

The Nuggets have no interest in Lakers forward Ron Artest and sources said they may not insist on getting Lamar Odom either. A straight-up trade of Anthony for Bynum meets the financial requirements of the collective bargaining agreement, but more players could be involved since Denver would look to shed as much salary as possible.

The Lakers first contacted the Charlotte Bobcats last week, looking to deal Artest for either Stephen Jackson or Gerald Wallace, sources told Bucher. The Bobcats were initially intrigued because owner Michael Jordan has long appreciated Artest's toughness, but talks ended during the weekend after the Bobcats learned Artest was not excited about playing in Charlotte.

The Nuggets are also engaged in talks with New York about a three-way trade involving the Minnesota Timberwolves. Initial discussions centered around Denver getting Wilson Chandler, with Minnesota sending Corey Brewer and a first-round pick to Denver as well. But Denver wants more than that and has its eye on young Knicks assets Danilo Gallinari and Landry Fields, along with Chandler.

Minnesota, which would receive Anthony Randolph and Eddy Curry in the trade, also wants more in return if it is to send a first-round pick to Denver.

In a sign that the Denver-New York talks have heated up, Madison Square Garden chairman James Dolan has had direct negotiations with Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke, according to the New York Daily News.

One stumbling block to a Nuggets-Knicks deal, however, is the health of Chandler. The Daily News reported Tuesday that he is experiencing discomfort in his surgically repaired left ankle. Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni refuted that to ESPNNewYork.com.

What is clear is that with the Feb. 24 trade deadline approaching, the Nuggets are weighing every possible option, including holding on to Anthony for the remainder of the season while hoping the owners can negotiate the right to put a franchise tag on players in the new collective bargaining agreement. Under that scenario, the Nuggets would be able to "franchise" Anthony and keep him in Denver.

The likeliest outcome, however, remains that Denver will trade Anthony before Feb. 24.

Lakers coach Phil Jackson, another source said, would like to see how his team performs in a rematch against the Celtics Thursday and in the remaining five games on its current seven-game road trip before deciding to make such a dramatic move.

The Lakers' motivation to upgrade their roster largely stems from the struggles of Artest this season. He was considered an important component last season in defending premier small forwards such as Kevin Durant and Paul Pierce, and the Lakers may see either the Celtics' Pierce or the Heat's LeBron James in the Finals if they were to get that far.

But Jackson has not played Artest down the stretch in a number of games this season because he has been ineffective both offensively and defensively.

The Nuggets like Bynum's immense upside and believe that, at 23 years old, he can overcome his health issues. But they understand it would be a risk, and are not entirely certain they would trade for him, one source said.

A source close to Bynum said Tuesday that he relishes the opportunity to defend the Lakers championship. He was limited in the playoffs last season due to his knee. But he realizes that until he becomes a free agent he can't control where he plays, according to the source.

Acquiring Bynum is not a huge financial risk for Denver, considering his great potential. Bynum has two years and $31 million left on his contract, but the final year is a team option for $16.5 million. If Bynum experiences another injury next season, the Nuggets could decide not to pick up the option and thus be on the hook for just the $15.1 million he's due next season.

Bynum is averaging 11.3 points and 7.4 rebounds per game in 27 games this season. In five full seasons with Los Angeles, Bynum has averaged only 56 games per season because of injuries.

Anthony is coming off a 50-point, 11-rebound outing Monday, but the Nuggets lost to the Rockets.

Chris Broussard covers the NBA for ESPN The Magazine. Information from ESPNLosAngeles.com's Dave McMenamin and ESPNNewYork.com's Ian Begley was used in this report.

Follow Chris Broussard on Twitter: @chris_broussard

[jd1020]

No way the Lakers trade Bynum for a half season rental. They need Bynum to win the Championship. Gasol is too soft to play full time C.

[Johnny Vegas]

holy Santa Claus shit!

[DBOSHO]

Bynum is hurt every fucking year.

[CaliforniaChief]

Bynum can't stay healthy. I think there's a better than decent chance Carmelo would end up signing an extension to stay in L.A. if the Lakers acquired him. If I'm the Lakers, I would go ahead and do it. Do it before Bynum's knee literally explodes.

[58-4ever]

That would be nuts. Although, when Bynum is in there, he is a beast to deal with. So I'm not sure how I feel about this deal overall.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Bynum is basically Sam Bowie. Just getting rid of his contract would be a win for the Lakers.

[DoucheMcCloud]

Bynum is basically Sam Bowie. Just getting rid of his contract would be a win for the Lakers.

Yep.

I can't even believe this is remotely possible but if it is, do it.

'Melo, Kobe, Gasol? That's sick.

[Toadkiller]

Broussard was just on Mason and Ireland

- Jim Buss didn't kill any deal and that Jeanie/Jerry will have a say in it
- The two teams are at the table and haggling but Melo and Bynum are the main pieces
- Emphasized the fact that Kobe and Phil are supporters of Melo
- Kobe and Melo can play together because Melo isn't ball dominant
- Word for Laker sources was that they are considering Melo because they view him as being the future piece to take over after Kobe and preserve him, after they saw Pau couldn't be a number 1 guy and because of the fact Bynum can't stay healthy
- Noted that Artest is also likely to be dealt and would be happy with being dealt to certain places

(from the Lakers board I am on)

Also: ESPN LAL CHA - Bucher: Lakers contacted Bobcats looking to deal Ron Artest for Stephen Jackson or Gerald Wallace.

[jd1020]

Broussard was just on Mason and Ireland

- Jim Buss didn't kill any deal and that Jeanie/Jerry will have a say in it
- The two teams are at the table and haggling but Melo and Bynum are the main pieces
- Emphasized the fact that Kobe and Phil are supporters of Melo
- Kobe and Melo can play together because Melo isn't ball dominant
- Word for Laker sources was that they are considering Melo because they view him as being the future piece to take over after Kobe and preserve him, after they saw Pau couldn't be a number 1 guy and because of the fact Bynum can't stay healthy
- Noted that Artest is also likely to be dealt and would be happy with being dealt to certain places

(from the Lakers board I am on)

Also: ESPN LAL CHA - Bucher: Lakers contacted Bobcats looking to deal Ron Artest for Stephen Jackson or Gerald Wallace.

The only way I see the Lakers doing this is if Melo agrees to the Trade-extension like he would/will with the Knicks.

[88TG88]

holy Santa Claus shit!

this

:eek::eek:

[notorious]

Bynum is hurt every ****ing year.

Bynum is basically Sam Bowie. Just getting rid of his contract would be a win for the Lakers.

Yep.

I can't even believe this is remotely possible but if it is, do it.

'Melo, Kobe, Gasol? That's sick.

These.


It would be criminal if the Lakers pull this off.

[DoucheMcCloud]

It would be criminal if the Lakers pull this off.

Pretty much like acquiring Gasol.

But I'll take it. :D

[ChiefsCountry]

Word for Laker sources was that they are considering Melo because they view him as being the future piece to take over after Kobe and preserve him, after they saw Pau couldn't be a number 1 guy and because of the fact Bynum can't stay healthy


Thats the biggest reason the Lakers are looking into this.

[kysirsoze]

Yep.

I can't even believe this is remotely possible but if it is, do it.

'Melo, Kobe, Gasol? That's sick.

This doesn't seem like it would be a Gasol size raping, but it would be an amazing deal for the Lakers. Bynum is not worth the injury problems.

Those three would be hard to handle. It would hurt scaling down their inside presence, though.

[Mr. Laz]

at this point, whatever keeps miami from winning a championship is all good.

considering how much i hate the lakers ... that's saying a lot.

[jd1020]

at this point, whatever keeps miami from winning a championship is all good.

considering how much i hate the lakers ... that's saying a lot.

Until Bosh gets traded I dont think you'll have to worry about them winning a championship. That team isn't going to win a 7 game series against the Celtics.

[Deberg_1990]

As a Spurs fan, i love this move.

It will help in a 7 game series with size matchup problems we would have with Bynum on board.

Not enough shots to satisfy both Kobe and Melo.

[CaliforniaChief]

As a Spurs fan, i love this move.

It will help in a 7 game series with size matchup problems we would have with Bynum on board.

Not enough shots to satisfy both Kobe and Melo.

How does Bynum give you problems with size being that 65% of the time he's sitting on the bench with icepacks on his knees?

[Mr. Laz]

Until Bosh gets traded I dont think you'll have to worry about them winning a championship. That team isn't going to win a 7 game series against the Celtics.
i don't think they have to trade Bosh, they will just start drafting big guys. Once they get a guy that can really handle the paint then Bosh can go back to his "fluffer" position.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Miami doesn't need to trade Bosh, they need to trade Dwayne Wade. His body is going to start breaking down soon, and with LeBron on the team, he's a redundant player

[Short Leash Hootie]

Melo and kobe on 1 team? Only phil could make it work.

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[Short Leash Hootie]

Miami would be 3 times as good with a guy like ray allen instead of wade

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[BIG_DADDY]

Miami doesn't need to trade Bosh, they need to trade Dwayne Wade. His body is going to start breaking down soon, and with LeBron on the team, he's a redundant player

Cept Wade wants to take the big shot in the big game and James shits his pants. He needs Wade.

[Short Leash Hootie]

James "shits his pants"? Where's your proof there? How many game winners did kobe hit/miss in the playoffs last year???

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[BIG_DADDY]

James "shits his pants"? Where's your proof there? How many game winners did kobe hit/miss in the playoffs last year???

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LMAO

[jd1020]

James "shits his pants"? Where's your proof there? How many game winners did kobe hit/miss in the playoffs last year???

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How many crucial free throws has James missed in the closing seconds of a tight game?

[BIG_DADDY]

How many crucial free throws has James missed in the closing seconds of a tight game?

Point being the greats live to shoot the ball in those all or nothing season on the line moments. Lebron has never been that guy and he will never be that guy. He will never be a one of the greats. He is not even the MVP on his own team. If I was a Heat fan I would much rather have Wade shooting that shot.

[Short Leash Hootie]

LeBron is easily the MVP of the Heat right now...

[Miles]

LeBron is easily the MVP of the Heat right now...

Likely still the league MVP as well.

[Miles]

I will reserve judgment until something happens but it really seems like Denver has badly botched this Melo situation. Sounds like the Bynum talk might be them trying to create some form of leverage by floating out reports.

[Spicy McHaggis]

They need Bynum to win the Championship. Gasol is too soft to play full time C.

Common misconception. Gasol manned the fuck up starting in the 09 playoffs. Bynum has the knees of a 78 year old.

[Miles]

The only way I see the Lakers doing this is if Melo agrees to the Trade-extension like he would/will with the Knicks.

It would still be very heavily in favor of the Lakers without Melo extending before any trade.

[DenverChief]

No way the Lakers trade Bynum for a half season rental. They need Bynum to win the Championship. Gasol is too soft to play full time C.

Melo would stay in LA or NY but those are the only 2 cities

[-King-]

I just don't see any way there is a straight up Bynum for Melo trade. Bynum is injured every other week. And apparently they have no interest in artest, so who else can we trade? Brown?

With Melo though...
1. Fisher
2. Bryant
3. Melo
4. Odom
5. Gasol

Not bad...not bad at all.

What happened to the Chris Paul rumor though?
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[Amnorix]

You have got to be kidding me...

[-King-]

You have got to be kidding me...

LMAO
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[BIG_DADDY]

Likely still the league MVP as well.

Fuck LeBron. Inever thought I would say this but I would take any team against the Heat. I hope the Celtics kick their ass. Big Baby needs to take Cry Baby out. Lebron never has been the league MVP. He will never be a top 10 all time player.

[BWillie]

The NBA is getting stupid. Too much like baseball. You ever hear a player go I want to go play for the Minnesota Timberwolves or Milwaukee Bucks, or else!!! Nope.

It was sad enough when Rubio was like wahhh I don't want to play in the midwest...wahhhhhhh. But now every all-star will not play for a team except LA, NY, BOSTON, CHI and MIAMI

[jd1020]

The NBA is getting stupid. Too much like baseball. You ever hear a player go I want to go play for the Minnesota Timberwolves or Milwaukee Bucks, or else!!! Nope.

Generally people playing sports are competitive and forfeiting any chance of winning isn't too competitive.

[BWillie]

**** LeBron. Inever thought I would say this but I would take any team against the Heat. I hope the Celtics kick their ass. Big Baby needs to take Cry Baby out. Lebron never has been the league MVP. He will never be a top 10 all time player.

On his own, Lebron makes Cleveland a Top 4 team last year. He leaves, they are the worst team in the NBA, quite possibly NBA history after losing 26 in a row. He really proved me wrong, I thought the Cavs would be about .500 this year. Not. Even. Close.

[BWillie]

Generally people playing sports are competitive and forfeiting any chance of winning isn't too competitive.

You can't win titles in Minnesota or Memphis? What about the Knicks makes you think they are any better than any other team? The Knicks aren't even good. They are in NY. ZOMG NY!!!! I think if you were competitive, you could win anywhere. Kevin Durant thinks OKC can win, too bad I don't think Westbrook is going to be on board for the long haul.

[jd1020]

You can't win titles in Minnesota or Memphis? What about the Knicks makes you think they are any better than any other team? The Knicks aren't even good. They are in NY. ZOMG NY!!!! Kevin Durant thinks OKC can win, too bad I don't think Westbrook is going to be on board for the long haul.

So you think 1 player going to Minnesota or Memphis is going to win it all? Get real.

This sounds like a good idea for the best players in the league... If you want to win and build your own legacy with a team, go join a bottom feeder that doesn't spend money to make the team better.

[BWillie]

So you think 1 player going to Minnesota or Memphis is going to win it all? Get real.

This sounds like a good idea for the best players in the league... If you want to win and build your own legacy with a team, go join a bottom feeder that doesn't spend money to make the team better.

The Knicks have been a bottom feeder for a while now. You got Kevin Love and Michael Beasley on Minnesota. Yes, I know they suck, but they have a good foundation for the future. How come nobody wants to play there? How come nobody requests to go play w/ Kevin Durant in OKC?

If Lebron leaving Cleveland makes them the worst team in the league, I don't think if Melo went to a place in the Midwest that they couldn't build around him rather quickly.

[jd1020]

The Knicks have been a bottom feeder for a while now. You got Kevin Love and Michael Beasley on Minnesota. Yes, I know they suck, but they have a good foundation for the future. How come nobody wants to play there? How come nobody requests to go play w/ Kevin Durant in OKC?

The Knicks are not a small market... They will spend the money to win. Durant was drafted by his team.

[BWillie]

So you think 1 player going to Minnesota or Memphis is going to win it all? Get real.

This sounds like a good idea for the best players in the league... If you want to win and build your own legacy with a team, go join a bottom feeder that doesn't spend money to make the team better.

Maybe they don't spend money cuz nobody wants to go there. Every team that had cap space would offer a max contract or Lebron or Melo.

[jd1020]

Maybe they don't spend money cuz nobody wants to go there. Every team that had cap space would offer a max contract or Lebron or Melo.

They dont spend money because they dont fucking have it. Do you understand what small market means?

What am I saying. Ofcouse you dont.

[-King-]

They dont spend money because they dont fucking have it. Do you understand what small market means?

What am I saying. Ofcouse you dont.

They don't have money? You realize that all the owners are billionaires right?

It's not like the Knicks owner has 80,000,000,000 while the owner of the Pacers has 1,000.

The problem is not having or not having money. The problem is that players want to go to a big city.

[JASONSAUTO]

Fuck LeBron. Inever thought I would say this but I would take any team against the Heat. I hope the Celtics kick their ass. Big Baby needs to take Cry Baby out. Lebron never has been the league MVP. He will never be a top 10 all time player.

huh?

[jd1020]

They don't have money? You realize that all the owners are billionaires right?

It's not like the Knicks owner has 80,000,000,000 while the owner of the Pacers has 1,000.

The problem is not having or not having money. The problem is that players want to go to a big city.

I'm sure it's in the billionaires best interest to invest his money in a team and then spend more than he's bringing in. But lets pretend that the Timberwolves are bringing in the same revenue the Knicks are.

I think R8ers is available if you need financial advice.

[BigCatDaddy]

. But lets pretend that the Timberwolves are bringing in the same revenue the Knicks are.



This of course and I also think a player wants to go a place where they can be marketed to possibly increase revenue from endorsements and such. I'm sure they also enjoy playing in front of a packed house on a team that it's on TV quite a bit.

[BWillie]

They dont spend money because they dont ****ing have it. Do you understand what small market means?

What am I saying. Ofcouse you dont.

Small market in the NBA doesn't mean exactly what it does in the MLB. There are huge huge differences in what the top teams can pay versus the "small" market teams in the MLB. Not so much in the NBA. That is why they have max contracts and more structured deals ie - the Mid-level exception. It's not like in the MLB where AROD makes more than the entire Florida Marlin's team or something.

[Short Leash Hootie]

the NBA sucks...

they need to retract...they should have 16 teams (tops)

[Short Leash Hootie]

Small market in the NBA doesn't mean exactly what it does in the MLB. There are huge huge differences in what the top teams can pay versus the "small" market teams in the MLB. Not so much in the NBA. That is why they have max contracts and more structured deals ie - the Mid-level exception. It's not like in the MLB where AROD makes more than the entire Florida Marlin's team or something.

dude

2/3 of the teams in the NBA are losing a shit ton of money

and the cap is a soft cap, not a hard cap like the NHL

the NBA has less parity than any professional American sport

[jd1020]

Small market in the NBA doesn't mean exactly what it does in the MLB. There are huge huge differences in what the top teams can pay versus the "small" market teams in the MLB. Not so much in the NBA. That is why they have max contracts and more structured deals ie - the Mid-level exception. It's not like in the MLB where AROD makes more than the entire Florida Marlin's team or something.

There is no second definition of small market.

[BWillie]

dude

2/3 of the teams in the NBA are losing a shit ton of money

and the cap is a soft cap, not a hard cap like the NHL

the NBA has less parity than any professional American sport

You know alot of businesses increase the amount of revenue they earn by making a better product.

[BWillie]

There is no second definition of small market.

You just aren't getting what I'm throwing down. Agree to disagree. How about this though.

You would agree that Chicago and New York are big market teams yes? Well they are #24 and #26 in payroll. The Heat are #20. The Milwaukee Bucks are #8, Utah Jazz #5. Yes I realize the sliding scale of salaries as their contracts mature and alot of teams are positioning themselves to obtain some good free agents but you won't ever see the Yankees, Red Sox, or Dodgers outside of the Top 10 in baseball payroll.

[Halfcan]

Yep.

I can't even believe this is remotely possible but if it is, do it.

'Melo, Kobe, Gasol? That's sick. :thumb:

Yep it would hard to double team kobe at that point.

[jd1020]

You just aren't getting what I'm throwing down. Agree to disagree. How about this though.

You would agree that Chicago and New York are big market teams yes? Well they are #24 and #26 in payroll. The Heat are #20. The Milwaukee Bucks are #8, Utah Jazz #5. Yes I realize the sliding scale of salaries as their contracts mature and alot of teams are positioning themselves to obtain some good free agents but you won't ever see the Yankees, Red Sox, or Dodgers outside of the Top 10 in baseball payroll.

What you are throwing down is retarded. I've always had a hard time understanding retarded.

[Short Leash Hootie]

I don't think Melo would make the Lakers that much better...if any

it would be overkill

how are Melo and Kobe going to work? They aren't like Wade and LeBron...

and Melo doesn't play a lick of D...

sounds like a desperation move if anything...but if anyone can make it work it's Phil.

[Short Leash Hootie]

the NBA is fucked until they get a hard cap and a franchise tag

[BWillie]

What you are throwing down is retarded. I've always had a hard time understanding retarded.

I know man, I shouldn't have used facts and logic. My bad.

[jd1020]

I know man, I shouldn't have used facts and logic. My bad.

I think thats exactly what you should have used.

[BigCatDaddy]

You know alot of businesses increase the amount of revenue they earn by making a better product.

The Rays for example....?

[JASONSAUTO]

I know man, I shouldn't have used facts and logic. My bad.

FTR i understand what you are saying.

[BWillie]

dude

2/3 of the teams in the NBA are losing a shit ton of money

and the cap is a soft cap, not a hard cap like the NHL

the NBA has less parity than any professional American sport

It's more structured though compared to MLB. You can't just have a payroll even 3 times more than another team because of how the contracts are set up. There is a max amount of a contract. I actually like it. I'm afraid at the next CBA it's going to end up like the MLB. Just Boston, Chicago, NY throwing huge amount of jack at all the stars leaving the midwestern and smaller market teams in the dust. If you have a choice between the way NFL does it and the MLB, you'd have to go w/ the NFL. Much more successful too and makes every year exciting.

[Short Leash Hootie]

max contracts don't mean shit...

Miami has to weather this 1 year with shitty role players...but after this year they'll start getting all of those "exceptions" to compliment their 3 max players and only have to pay a luxury tax for being a billion dollars over the cap.

It's STUPID.

[Short Leash Hootie]

the NBA is going to have a lockout

they need to do what hockey did

hard cap

they also need to retract

they also need a franchise tag

guys like Carmelo and LeBron shouldn't be able to hold their franchises hostage...it's stupid

[Short Leash Hootie]

if LeBron and Carmelo want to cry about playing Denver or Cleveland they can just go overseas and make more money if they don't want to be franchised tag

and they can accept different levels of the tag, I don't care...

1 can be 1 year 20% more than the top paid player at that position

another tag they can accept can be 3 years at 15% more

etc. etc. etc.

it's not like the player will be hurt by it...they'll still be making 20+ million per

[Short Leash Hootie]

but this best friend bullshit needs to stop

guys shouldn't be able to just pick where they want to play

this Carmelo situation is bullshit...so was the LeBron one

like the NBA really needs LeBron and Wade on the same team...

fucking stupid

and watching them play together is painful...they compliment each other so horrifically it's not even funny

it's like watching a more talented Carmelo and Iverson all over again

[thecoffeeguy]

NBA...ya, never watch it.

[whoaskew]

but this best friend bullshit needs to stop

guys shouldn't be able to just pick where they want to play


If their contract is up, why shouldn't they be able to pick where they want to play?



this Carmelo situation is bullshit...so was the LeBron one

like the NBA really needs LeBron and Wade on the same team...

****ing stupid

and watching them play together is painful...they compliment each other so horrifically it's not even funny

it's like watching a more talented Carmelo and Iverson all over again


OK. The simple solution to deter that is by beating the so-called best friend team. It wasn't that long ago, that my Lakers signed Malone and Payton and commenced to getting their asses kicked by Detroit in the finals.

You know how that ended - Malone retired and Payton ended up getting his only ring in Miami.

But remember that just like the NFL, the NBA is a copycat league. The Celtics provided the blueprint for the modern version of the big 3, and it should come as no surprise that other teams are following suit.

You want to send the players a message? Beat them.

[Param]

Miami doesn't need to trade Bosh, they need to trade Dwayne Wade. His body is going to start breaking down soon, and with LeBron on the team, he's a redundant player

Idiot #1

Miami would be 3 times as good with a guy like ray allen instead of wade

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Idiot #2

Do we have any more on this board?

[mcaj22]

Miami would be 3 times as good with a guy like ray allen instead of wade

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They have Mike Miller, the same exact thing as Ray Allen

[ChiefsCountry]

Idiot #1



Idiot #2

Do we have any more on this board?

No shit. Wade is the heart & sould of that team. LeBron is the man but Wade makes it go.