FDA approvals

[BIG_DADDY]

Do you give any credence to FDA approvals?

[KurtCobain]

If it smells good I eat it.

[BIG_DADDY]

If it smells good I eat it.

Not the USDA dude.

[wazu]

Yes, I give "any". Doesn't mean I think they are doing a great job by any means, but they are definitely a watchdog that corporations have a healthy concern for. Problem is what we lose by what is NOT FDA approved. Sometimes it's a good thing, sometimes it holds us back.

[Saulbadguy]

Oh boy, here we go again.

[wazu]

Oh boy, here we go again.

Meh, not like we've got a whole lot of better things to talk about.

[BIG_DADDY]

Oh boy, here we go again.

Oh lightenup there bad fry.

[DaFace]

I don't take their word as gospel or anything, but I'm glad that someone is at least making an attempt to make sure we don't eat a nice helping of bugs with our foods.

[BIG_DADDY]

I don't take their word as gospel or anything, but I'm glad that someone is at least making an attempt to make sure we don't eat a nice helping of bugs with our foods.

So if they say you should take this drug or that drug are more likely to take it?

[Terribilis]

I work in Pharma, you don't fuck with the FDA.

[BIG_DADDY]

I work in Pharma, you don't **** with the FDA.

YOu won't catch me arguing with that.

[DaFace]

So if they say you should take this drug or that drug are more likely to take it?

http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/additional/large/office_space_kit_mat.jpg

But, no. I'm more likely to take whatever my doctor says "here, take this" about.

[BIG_DADDY]

http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/additional/large/office_space_kit_mat.jpg

But, no. I'm more likely to take whatever my doctor says "here, take this" about.

It was a question, not a conclusion. I won't ask any more.

[Terribilis]

YOu won't catch me arguing with that.
from the front-lines, those guys work hard, and can get deep in your ass if they suspect an issue with anything in your production. They do their best, but they are human. I know there is a lot of conspiracy out there, but I assure you they are very concerned with product safety. I am a scientist in quality control, so I have had to deal with them quite a bit.

[Saulbadguy]

So if they say you should take this drug or that drug are more likely to take it?

I think the drugs are safe, overall. I haven't been to a doctor in nearly 12 years though so I can't say I have much experience there.

[wazu]

But, no. I'm more likely to take whatever my doctor says "here, take this" about.

Me, too. Problem is that increasingly the doctor wants to say, "here, take this", but it is illegal. Creates black markets for legit medication. (And I don't mean pot therapy.)

[Bwana]

As far as the FDA, a lot of the time, they are FOS.

Heh, seems like the place to post this :)

http://img.hobowars.com/fn_photos/l_1175032_booster%20shots%20and%20autism.jpg

[jd1020]

But, no. I'm more likely to take whatever my doctor says "here, take this" about.

Thats what she said.

I mean... Thats what Michael Jackson said.

[Fat Elvis]

I like how "NO" is in all caps.

[bowener]

I don't care! I eat rat poison! Cause I can't read the box!!

[Psyko Tek]

my dad was a butcher
he liked koshser meats when ever you could find it in nebraska

[ChiefsNow]

I think all these government agencies get paid off.

If you can't look at your own meat, there is something wrong with you. :p

And if you do look at your own meat, there is something wrong with you.

And if you are in a government agency looking at other peoples meat , there is something wrong with you.

[Silock]

Yes, I trust them. Are they perfect? No. Do I think they're looking out in the best way they know how for us? Yes.

[mikey23545]

I haven't trusted them since they signed off on putting the mind-control drug fluoride in our water supply...

[BigVE]

I work in the pharmaceutical industry and the FDA has their fingers in everything we do, and rightly so. But what is amazing is how at certain times they can and will approve a drug for market very quickly and other times they will drag their feet thus keeping us from producing said drug until they say it's ok. Sure, every situation is different, but it's crazy the amount of power they hold. Good? Bad? Who knows for sure. FWIW, we manufacture generic drugs...which means we make drugs that have almost ALWAYS already been on the market and have previously been approved by them. Seems to still be a lot politics involved in this at times. One drug we started to manufacture last year was approved before we were even fully operational because it was in such demand, others have been sitting and waiting for approval for years. The waiting game by them puts millions, if not billions of dollars worth of business on hold in this industry.

[Hog Farmer]

And I just saw an ad on TV from a law firm saying if you've taken "Darvocet" and died from a heart attack call us.

Darvocet, one of the most prescribed pain killers in history. Yep, good job FDA.

[rageeumr]

FDA approval makes me feel slightly more at ease about a particular medicine. But there have been plenty of medicines that have been approved and then later linked to side effects that weren't previously known. E.g. a previous coworker supposedly got cancer from his arthritis medicine.

I avoid all drugs in general unless absolutely necessary. I don't even take ibuprofen unless I need it as an anti-inflammatory. There's just very few (if any) drugs out there that perform their intended purpose only. There are always side effects.

EDIT: So I voted yes since I give some credence, but if the question were worded "Does FDA approval make you fully confident in the safety of a particular drug" the answer would have been no.

[BIG_DADDY]

As far as the FDA, a lot of the time, they are FOS.

Heh, seems like the place to post this :)

http://img.hobowars.com/fn_photos/l_1175032_booster%20shots%20and%20autism.jpg

Awesome picture, 42 vaccines on the shedule now. Apparently there is an epidemic out there. It's not just autism either, neurological disorders in general have risen with the vaccine schedule.

[BIG_DADDY]

I like how "NO" is in all caps.

It's a conspiracy, my left little pinkie has always had it out for the FDA.

[Pants]

Awesome picture, 42 vaccines on the shedule now. Apparently there is an epidemic out there. It's not just autism either, neurological disorders in general have risen with the vaccine schedule.

I'm surprised your head didn't explode when the news about that fake autism research came out, lol.

[Saulbadguy]

I'm surprised your head didn't explode when the news about that fake autism research came out, lol.

It was an obvious ruse by the FDA.

[bevischief]

Not with the current system and how much the Drug Companies and Drug Reps push and advertise their drugs and the amount of money involved.

[BIG_DADDY]

I'm surprised your head didn't explode when the news about that fake autism research came out, lol.

Actually listened to a 6 hour detailed special on how they arrived at calling that research fake which I guarantee you is more research than all of you put together.

[Pants]

Actually listened to a 6 hour detailed special on how they arrived at calling that research fake which I guarantee you is more research than all of you put together.

Summary + link? Are you saying the research was not fake and certain vaccinations do, in fact, cause autism in kids?

[BIG_DADDY]

BTW I thought it was sweet to see Bill Gates coming out calling anyone who says anything bad about vaccines a baby killer. It was a nice touch.

[BIG_DADDY]

Summary + link? Are you saying the research was not fake and certain vaccinations do, in fact, cause autism in kids?

Listened to it awhile back. I will look for it today and send it to you if you truly are interested. It goes into detail about how they have systematically went after discrediting Wakefield. If you really want to know what's going on out there the information is there. Neurological disorders and auto-immunity disorders have all gone up lockstep with the vaccine schedule. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize what is going on or see how much healthier a kid not following the schedule is year in and year out. BTW there is a shitload of videos out there showing perfectly normal kids before and after vaccines and some of the devastating effects that took place just after. I have a hard time watching them to tell you the truth.

Bottom line is if you really are looking for answers I will dig that up for you. I have a meeting at 10 I have to prepare for so I can't look right now. Don't make me spend the time though if you are just looking to clown anyone who isn't one of the FDA's sheeple.

[Pants]

Listened to it awhile back. I will look for it today and send it to you if you truly are interested. It goes into detail about how they have systematically went after discrediting Wakefield. If you really want to know what's going on out there the information is there. Neurological disorders and auto-immunity disorders have all gone up lockstep with the vaccine schedule. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize what is going on or see how much healthier a kid not following the schedule is year in and year out. BTW there is a shitload of videos out there showing perfectly normal kids before and after vaccines and some of the devastating effects that took place just after. I have a hard time watching them to tell you the truth.

Bottom line is if you really are looking for answers I will dig that up for you. I have a meeting at 10 I have to prepare for so I can't look right now. Don't make me spend the time though if you are just looking to clown anyone who isn't one of the FDA's sheeple.

So what percentage of kids experience these changes after the vaccinations?

[HonestChieffan]

Im more worried about the garbage sold that somehow does not require a FDA approval and the poor schmucks who listen to saturday am radio and hear the claims made and send money.

I also wish I could come up with a medicinal claim for redbud tree bark or some stuff like that and make a gazillion bucks with a infomercial

[Silock]

Listened to it awhile back. I will look for it today and send it to you if you truly are interested. It goes into detail about how they have systematically went after discrediting Wakefield. If you really want to know what's going on out there the information is there. Neurological disorders and auto-immunity disorders have all gone up lockstep with the vaccine schedule. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize what is going on or see how much healthier a kid not following the schedule is year in and year out. BTW there is a shitload of videos out there showing perfectly normal kids before and after vaccines and some of the devastating effects that took place just after. I have a hard time watching them to tell you the truth.

Bottom line is if you really are looking for answers I will dig that up for you. I have a meeting at 10 I have to prepare for so I can't look right now. Don't make me spend the time though if you are just looking to clown anyone who isn't one of the FDA's sheeple.

Serious question: do you believe in anthropogenic global warming?

[BucEyedPea]

So if they say you should take this drug or that drug are more likely to take it?

Not at all. In fact, I'm less likely to take it. Just look at the lawsuits on things likes acne medications that now have class action suits. Look at the list of side effects on some of those commercials. FDA is just another inept agency....that sounds good on paper. I'd trust a pharmacist more than the FDA on any drug. In fact they know more than the doctors about the drugs. I live next door to one.

[ReynardMuldrake]

BTW I thought it was sweet to see Bill Gates coming out calling anyone who says anything bad about vaccines a baby killer. It was a nice touch.

You are aware that there are preventable infectious diseases out there that kill children? Vaccines save lives. Any child that dies from a preventable disease is a tragedy.

[BIG_DADDY]

Serious question: do you believe in anthropogenic global warming?

I really don’t want the thread to get hijacked so I will just say that I have not done enough due-diligence on the subject to be able to intelligently address that issue which is why you don’t see me giving opinions in those threads. Guns and vaccines, sure. Anthropogenic global warming, not so much.

[BIG_DADDY]

So what percentage of kids experience these changes after the vaccinations?

Funny you should ask because that is what sparked my interest years ago. I met a woman who had two boys both with autism who were perfectly normal before they received their MMR vaccine. The doctor went down a very long road of selling her on the fact that the vaccine did not cause the problem even though the effects were almost immediate. As stupid as this person was to do it again she at least had enough intelligence to wait longer with the 2nd child and slow down the schedule. Once again the effects were almost immediate. I really felt for her. I have not seen an official immediate reaction with video evidence number out there as I don’t believe it exists. We do know that boys conservatively speaking have a 1 out of 100 chance of acquiring autism now and that number has nothing to do with other neurological and auto-immunity disorders which are on the rise lock step with the schedule.

The point of this thread was to get an idea of how many people have a major problem with the FDA which I was hoping would be over 33%. If you include those that say that they give it some credence but by no means believe everything coming out of there based upon what we are reading in this thread that number shoots up to about 50%. I would eventually like to see those numbers reach 50% and 75% respectively as long as the current structure of the FDA exists. My point was not to debate this issue for the 1,000th time as I have done in the past.
IMO there better be a damn good reason you continue to bombard the human body with toxins injected straight into the bloodstream.

You sure like to ask a lot of questions, let me just ask you just one. If you even have a kid, what seriously debilitating childhood diseases on the schedule are you so scared of them acquiring that you feel you need to inject all that shit straight into their bloodstream and what are the odds they will catch that disease? Please don’t give me that BS broad brushstroke I really don’t feel like doing my due diligence answer of herd immunity either as that would be a huge cop out.

[BIG_DADDY]

So what percentage of kids experience these changes after the vaccinations?

Maybe these people could get you an answer that is more accurate than mine. I know you will probably disregard direct personal experience in favor of supposed science being delivered to you by the very same people making billions off of the vaccines. Anyway, I'm done and out. Got a huge day in front of me. Thanks everyone for your input no matter what side of the table you are on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsnL9yHApIA

[Pants]

Funny you should ask because that is what sparked my interest years ago. I met a woman who had two boys both with autism who were perfectly normal before they received their MMR vaccine. The doctor went down a very long road of selling her on the fact that the vaccine did not cause the problem even though the effects were almost immediate. As stupid as this person was to do it again she at least had enough intelligence to wait longer with the 2nd child and slow down the schedule. Once again the effects were almost immediate. I really felt for her. I have not seen an official immediate reaction with video evidence number out there as I don’t believe it exists. We do know that boys conservatively speaking have a 1 out of 100 chance of acquiring autism now and that number has nothing to do with other neurological and auto-immunity disorders which are on the rise lock step with the schedule.

The point of this thread was to get an idea of how many people have a major problem with the FDA which I was hoping would be over 33%. If you include those that say that they give it some credence but by no means believe everything coming out of there based upon what we are reading in this thread that number shoots up to about 50%. I would eventually like to see those numbers reach 50% and 75% respectively as long as the current structure of the FDA exists. My point was not to debate this issue for the 1,000th time as I have done in the past.
IMO there better be a damn good reason you continue to bombard the human body with toxins injected straight into the bloodstream.

You sure like to ask a lot of questions, let me just ask you just one. If you even have a kid, what seriously debilitating childhood diseases on the schedule are you so scared of them acquiring that you feel you need to inject all that shit straight into their bloodstream and what are the odds they will catch that disease? Please don’t give me that BS broad brushstroke I really don’t feel like doing my due diligence answer of herd immunity either as that would be a huge cop out.

I don't have a kid, so I don't know. 1% is a pretty high number, though, I'm not sure I believe that.

In either case, what is your ideal scenario? Disband the FDA and let the market decide like BEP wants?

[Inspector]

And I just saw an ad on TV from a law firm saying if you've taken "Darvocet" and died from a heart attack call us.

Darvocet, one of the most prescribed pain killers in history. Yep, good job FDA.

This is why it is so important to make sure your cell phone is fully charged prior to the burial.

[BIG_DADDY]

I don't have a kid, so I don't know. 1% is a pretty high number, though, I'm not sure I believe that.

In either case, what is your ideal scenario? Disband the FDA and let the market decide like BEP wants?

I was done but this is the best question in the entire thread so I will answer. The incestuous relationship between the FDA, big business and polititions needs to end. We have the wolf watching the chicken coop and we could go on endlessly on how to address that but we desperately need change. I honestly believe we almost have zero chance of implimenting any real change though. From the billions being made by this industry to the need to experiment on people for reasons that should be self-evident I just don't see that happening. That's why I believe you have to do your own due diligence even when your choices are not popular amoungst your peers.

[BIG_DADDY]

In closing I think this poster should be in all doctors offices because people should be informed about what exactly they are injecting into you.