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Mr. Laz
02-10-2011, 06:12 PM
League, union sharply disagree on rookie wage scale, too

Posted by Mike Florio on February 10, 2011, 6:59 PM EST
http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/desmithatallahfeb3-e1297382365408.jpg?w=250The discrepancy between the league’s and the union’s view of the size of the slice of the pie that the players collectively receive isn’t the only issue on which the NFL and the NFLPA disagree. The two sides also disagree on the rookie wage scale.
Or, as the union now calls it, the “veteran wage scale.”
Liz Mullen of SportsBusiness Journal reported earlier today that NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith explained in a memo to certain players that the rookie wage scale proposed by management would affect players with three to five years of experience, or as Smith put it “the core of our membership.”
The league proposed a system including five-year deals for first-round picks and four-year contracts for players drafted in all other rounds; the union wants maximum deals of four years in rounds one through three and three years in rounds four through seven.
“This wage scale would have a very dramatic effect on league salaries when you consider the number of players that would be subject to its terms,” Smith explained in a memo to the members of the Executive Committee and the various player representatives, claiming that 60 percent of the league would fall under the terms of the league’s proposal.
But here’s the reality. Roughly 60 percent of the league already falls under an unofficial rookie wage scale, which after round one pays players reasonable amounts about which the NFL rarely complains — especially when a mid-round pick becomes a star. The issue here is the amount of money paid at the top of the draft, and that’s where the focus should be.
It’s not just about eliminating the windfall for unproven rookies, but also about redirecting that money to rookies who outperform their salaries and finding ways to funnel money that is wasted on busts like JaMarcus Russell to the retired players who made the game what it is.
There can be no doubt that it’s in the best interests of the league, the teams, and the current members of the union to ensure that unproven players don’t continue to get inflated contracts, the growth of which continues to outpace the increase in pay for veteran players. The union, in our view, is resisting much-needed change simply in the hopes of scoring a concessions from the league, and possibly because powerful agencies that pocket three percent of the first-round rookie contracts don’t want to lose their cut of the windfall.
Employed at one of those firms as an agent is the son of NFLPA chief outside counsel Jeffrey Kessler. (Just sayin’.)
This should be the easiest problem for the two sides to fix. In a cap-driven system, a rookie wage scale does not undermine in any way the total money available to players. Indeed, every dollar taken away from unproven rookies is one more dollar available to proven players. By ensuring that tens of millions won’t go to players who never contribute to the betterment of the game and by also ensuring that rookies who achieve greatness immediately get compensated for their efforts now, the pie can be carved up fairly for everyone.
But first the union has to ignore any and all self-interests clouding the process and commit to taking actions aimed for the good of the game, and for the good of the current members of the union.

KurtCobain
02-10-2011, 06:27 PM
So you draft a guy number one overall, which is a huge commitment, but only sign him to four years?

soopamanluva
02-10-2011, 06:40 PM
The both just need to get their collective heads out of theirs asses and fix this mess before they really screw it up.

Marcellus the True
02-10-2011, 06:53 PM
The dumbest thing the union could fight is a rookie wage scale. Even the players want it as long as the $ goes to veterans.

Chiefaholic
02-10-2011, 07:03 PM
To me, this seems to be the simplest problem for the two sides to agree upon. If they're far apart on this subject, you can kiss the 2011 season goodbye.

jd1020
02-10-2011, 07:06 PM
In the end, the players are going to take it up the ass whether they like it or not. Value is only decided by what someone is willing to pay and the money isn't willing to pay.

Ebolapox
02-10-2011, 07:54 PM
So you draft a guy number one overall, which is a huge commitment, but only sign him to four years?

if the chiefs somehow lucked into a first round rookie qb, but as would be our luck, he was jamarcus russell v 2.0, you'd want to be on the hook for more than four years?

the rookie deals work well in the nba, where they have three year contracts. they're restricted after that, with only being able to sign 'max' contracts with their drafted teams.

Marcellus the True
02-10-2011, 08:49 PM
if the chiefs somehow lucked into a first round rookie qb, but as would be our luck, he was jamarcus russell v 2.0, you'd want to be on the hook for more than four years?

the rookie deals work well in the nba, where they have three year contracts. they're restricted after that, with only being able to sign 'max' contracts with their drafted teams.

Yea the wage scale works because you don't pay top $ at first, and if they perform you give them the $ even if it is 4 years later.

Not a tough concept.

Psyko Tek
02-10-2011, 08:57 PM
To me, this seems to be the simplest problem for the two sides to agree upon. If they're far apart on this subject, you can kiss the 2011 season goodbye.

this times eleventy
the first round rooks need caps
3 to 5 years
prove it bitch then get your money

Psyko Tek
02-10-2011, 08:59 PM
if the chiefs somehow lucked into a first round rookie qb, but as would be our luck, he was jamarcus russell v 2.0, you'd want to be on the hook for more than four years?

the rookie deals work well in the nba, where they have three year contracts. they're restricted after that, with only being able to sign 'max' contracts with their drafted teams.

this is the ONE thing the NBA has right

WV
02-10-2011, 09:01 PM
What truely amazes me about this whole deal is how the players want a bigger slice of the owners profits??? Where exactly else do the employee's get a chunk of the employers profits? Part of me thinks they should tell them to suck it up and take the fat checks they already get or hit the pavement. Sure the owners are greedy bastards too considering ticket prices and the like, but I just don't see how the players have a leg to stand on in this regard.

Sannyasi
02-10-2011, 09:06 PM
What truely amazes me about this whole deal is how the players want a bigger slice of the owners profits??? Where exactly else do the employee's get a chunk of the employers profits? Part of me thinks they should tell them to suck it up and take the fat checks they already get or hit the pavement. Sure the owners are greedy bastards too considering ticket prices and the like, but I just don't see how the players have a leg to stand on in this regard.

The players are going to be the ones giving up money in the new CBA.

WV
02-10-2011, 09:07 PM
The players are going to be the ones giving up money in the new CBA.

Depends on what you read.

jd1020
02-10-2011, 09:14 PM
Depends on what you read.

It doesn't depend on what anyone reads. It depends on the people writing the checks and the people writing the checks dont want to pay as much as they are.

milkman
02-10-2011, 09:30 PM
What truely amazes me about this whole deal is how the players want a bigger slice of the owners profits??? Where exactly else do the employee's get a chunk of the employers profits? Part of me thinks they should tell them to suck it up and take the fat checks they already get or hit the pavement. Sure the owners are greedy bastards too considering ticket prices and the like, but I just don't see how the players have a leg to stand on in this regard.

I may be wrong, but I'm guessing that what they are talking about, the slice of the pie that goes to the players, is the number used to set the salary cap.

Chiefnj2
02-10-2011, 09:40 PM
If you are a player, you'd prefer to get drafted later. This way your deal gets re-done first.

If you are a first round HB you are screwed. You'll be run into the dirt by the time your first round contract expires.

googlegoogle
02-11-2011, 04:18 AM
rookie contracts are bullshit.

most of these guys are in 'training mode'.

Look at Glenn Dorsey or TJack. You can't make an impact your first few years yet they get paid more than vets.