Haley going to run conservative Offense

[chiefforlife]

Matt Cassel - QB - Chiefs

Chiefs HC Todd Haley wants to run "a meat and potatoes offense" in 2011.
That's good news for Jamaal Charles' fantasy stock, and bad news for Matt Cassel's. Former OC Charlie Weis reportedly left because he wanted "to use a lot of shotgun and spread formations while jazzing up the offense," while Haley wanted to remain conservative. After it became public that Weis was leaving last season, Cassel posted a 0:5 TD-to-INT ratio in two games.
Related: Jamaal Charles
Source: National Football Post
Feb 13, 9:48:00 AM

[dj56dt58]

yay Herm ball..fml

[Hog Farmer]

Not Good !

[Dave Lane]

His version of conservative and Herms are light years apart.

[The Bad Guy]

Weis's offense lead to Cassel's best year. The meat and potatoes approach led to a shit offense in 2009. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

[milkman]

I really find this difficult to believe, since Haley ran a lot of spread in Arizona, and Weis made his money as the Patriot OC by sticking to the run game even when they had marginal success.

The only thing that might lend this credibility is if that Haley believes that Cassel is the weak link and he believes that limiting Cassel and running the ball gives him the best chance to succeed.

[TRR]

That is definitely not what Haley ran in Arizona. At all.
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[chiefforlife]

I really find this difficult to believe, since Haley ran a lot of spread in Arizona, and Weis made his money as the Patriot OC by sticking to the run game even when they had marginal success.

The only thing that might lend this credibility is if that Haley believes that Cassel is the weak link and he believes that limiting Cassel and running the ball gives him the best chance to succeed.

This was my first thought, he has no confidence in Cassel.

[threebag02]

This will get Jamall killed.

[the Talking Can]

huh?

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Ummmmm...is this okay with Mr. Bill Muir?

[Spott]

I really find this difficult to believe, since Haley ran a lot of spread in Arizona, and Weis made his money as the Patriot OC by sticking to the run game even when they had marginal success.

The only thing that might lend this credibility is if that Haley believes that Cassel is the weak link and he believes that limiting Cassel and running the ball gives him the best chance to succeed.

This.

[Pestilence]

Weis never ran the spread while he was at ND.

[DaFace]

I'd be interested to know where the quote comes from. Sounds a bit like speculation to me, but it's tough to tell.

[Priest31kc]

WTF? Seems like the exact opposite. This better not be true.

[KCChiefsFan88]

In other words Haley and Pioli are going to do everything in their power to hide Cassel's many many flaws.

It is amazing that Haley, a guy who was hired because of his career as an offensive coordinator/WR's coach is going to do everything in his power to apparently make the Chiefs passing game vanish.

You can't compete in today's NFL without a decent passing game.

Haley is going to try to compete with a Bill Parcells strategy, circa 1987.

[keg in kc]

I find this hard to believe. Wasn't the story all year that they kept butting heads because Haley wanted more passing? Didn't he supposedly take over playcalling in the second half of the Baltimore game?

[B_Ambuehl]

This was a meat and potatoes offense in '10 under Weis. Cassel wasn't asked to do much because he can't. His rating was artificially inflated by a great play action attach (a shitty schedule had a lot to do with the success of that) and a lot of 1 yard TD passes off play action down on the goal line. The sad thing is Haley is probably gonna go down in flames when Cassel reverts back to what he is which we all saw the last few games of the year.

[mcaj22]

yea it's sad to say but Haley/Cassel are probably going down in a sinking ship together.

If we ever see another starting QB for the Chiefs it will also be with a different HC imo.

[InChiefsHell]

I can't see this happening, it just doesn't sound like Haley to me. I thought this year's offensive plan was pretty good balance, no mad bombs, but we have some tools to run a pretty solid passing game. Cassel of course is the key, but a new speedy GOOD wide receiver is also needed. I can't see Haley doing 3 yards and a cloud of dust...

[salame]

oh fuck

[notorious]

Pittsburgh conservative = Good


Herm Chiefs conservative = Antifreeze

[kstater]

I'm going to go ahead and panic beacause the coach wants to run an offense that runs and passes well.

[Brock]

Well, what did you think, it was a good thing he ran off a real OC?

[threebag02]

Too bad we couldn't trade cassel

[KCUnited]

Wife wants pizza and beer for V-Day, I'll see if I can get this story confirmed.

[Mr. Laz]

I told ya

everyone kept saying that Weis was the one who was pushing the conservative plays but the 1st year when Haley called the plays says different. We won't know until the season starts but it seams to me that Haley is run,run,pass,punt type guy.

we'll see

[Mr. Laz]

I find this hard to believe. Wasn't the story all year that they kept butting heads because Haley wanted more passing? Didn't he supposedly take over playcalling in the second half of the Baltimore game?
I've never seen ANY indication that is was Haley that wanted more passing. People around here just thought that because of the offense in Arizona.

When Haley pulled Cassel it was because he was being too aggressive when Haley just wanted 3 yrds and a cloud of dust. Imo.

Imo Weis is also gone because he wanted a wide open offense and Haley didn't. I think a lot of people are in for a rude awakening when we see martyball back in town under Haley/Muir.

people wonder why i was so pissed when Weis left...

[DeezNutz]

If true, might as well change the headline to "Haley going to run himself out of town."

[Dave]

That is definitely not what Haley ran in Arizona. At all.
Posted via Mobile DeviceThats because Haley had SB winning QB in Arizona...

[Dave]

Hey! Welcome to knee-jerk Planet!

I will wait and see. My expectations will remain low, though, while MC is under center.

[Bowser]

I'll wait to jump off the bridge until I hear it from a Nick Wright tweet. [/herpderp]

[HonestChieffan]

Note to Todd....wait till after draft and Free agency to set up your plays.

[FringeNC]

An overly risk-averse offense seems at odds with Haley's 4th down calls. Although Haley is still risk-averse according to the mathematical simulations (Romer's well-known paper), he is better than most coaches. I find it hard to believe Haley will play-not-to-lose.

[Mr. Laz]

An overly risk-averse offense seems at odds with Haley's 4th down calls. Although Haley is still risk-averse according to the mathematical simulations (Romer's well-known paper), he is better than most coaches. I find it hard to believe Haley will play-not-to-lose.
towards the end Marty was the same way

he would be trying to prove he wasn't conservative so he would do reckless shit every so ofter but just couldn't bring himself to run a balanced offense.

[-King-]

Weis wanted to run a lot of shotgun while jazzing up the offense?


Yeah, I'm just going to label this as speculative BS.
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[L.A. Chieffan]

matt cassels "conservative" offense will make the '99 rams look like pussys

[keg in kc]

I've never seen ANY indication that is was Haley that wanted more passing. People around here just thought that because of the offense in Arizona.

When Haley pulled Cassel it was because he was being too aggressive when Haley just wanted 3 yrds and a cloud of dust. Imo.

Imo Weis is also gone because he wanted a wide open offense and Haley didn't. I think a lot of people are in for a rude awakening when we see martyball back in town under Haley/Muir.

people wonder why i was so pissed when Weis left...There's no more basis for that than there is for the other idea. 'cause, you know, everything any of us says about Haley/Weis is something we're pulling out of thin air...

It just seems odd. Haley's an aggressive guy. Although maybe he's going full Parcells.

Not to mention that it's mid-February. I'd like to think Haley isn't building his offensive framework before he even knows who's going to be on the field.

[chiefzilla1501]

I don't want to get too over-conservative, but can anyone really deny that the Chiefs were at their best last season when they stuck to running the ball down the other team's throat? After all, weren't a lot of people accusing the Chiefs of getting too cute in the second half against the Ravens instead of abandoning the run?

[MichaelH]

I'm going to wait until week 4 of the season when the offense has 400 total yards and Cassel has thrown 5 INT's and 1 TD before I even get concerned. That is if there is a season.

[T-post Tom]

I really find this difficult to believe, since Haley ran a lot of spread in Arizona, and Weis made his money as the Patriot OC by sticking to the run game even when they had marginal success.

The only thing that might lend this credibility is if that Haley believes that Cassel is the weak link and he believes that limiting Cassel and running the ball gives him the best chance to succeed.

Spot on.

[kcchiefsus]

Weis's offense lead to Cassel's best year. The meat and potatoes approach led to a shit offense in 2009. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Umm, you don't think there were other factors that led to 2009?

- Larry Johnson
- Mike Goff, Rudy Niswanger
- No Tony Gonzalez or Tony Moeaki at TE

But your right, none of that had any effect.

[mcaj22]

Umm, you don't think there were other factors that led to 2009?

- Larry Johnson
- Mike Goff, Rudy Niswanger
- No Tony Gonzalez or Tony Moeaki at TE

But your right, none of that had any effect.


also forget the most glaring: Clancy Shittergast running the defense

[The Bad Guy]

Umm, you don't think there were other factors that led to 2009?

- Larry Johnson
- Mike Goff, Rudy Niswanger
- No Tony Gonzalez or Tony Moeaki at TE

But your right, none of that had any effect.

-Jamaal Charles played a substancial amount down the stretch and Cassel's numbers got WORSE.

But you're right, let's pretend like 2009 was a throw-away year and not be able to analyze anything.

Fuck yourself.

[dirk digler]

This better be BS

[jd1020]

I want Cassel's job.

$12mil to hand the ball off? Yes please.

I love the idea of paying someone a bonus while inadvertently admitting they suck.

[FringeNC]

-Jamaal Charles played a substancial amount down the stretch and Cassel's numbers got WORSE.

But you're right, let's pretend like 2009 was a throw-away year and not be able to analyze anything.

**** yourself.

Did Cassel really play worse? His QB rating was worse, but primarily because Haley actually had Cassel throwing downfield, and he through some picks. But overall offensively, pre-bye, our offense was a joke. Post-bye, it was probably close to NFL-average. 2 of the last 3 games we had 490 yards or more.

My guess is Haley doesn't think we have the WRs to spread the field. Fuckers can't get open, so may as well keep them in to block.

Look, nothing in Haley's bio suggests that we are going to see Herm II. Everything in Herm's bio and rhetoric suggested he did plan to play not-to-lose. Ironically, Herm was given the benefit of the doubt, and no one thought he would mess with the offense....whereas with Haley, the opposite seems to be true.

I think our offense will be better next year, but it will be hard to compare, given we are moving from essentially the easiest schedule the NFL to the hardest. If Haley sucks as an offensive coach, get rid of his ass, because that is what he is supposed to bring to the table. Haley will earn his paycheck next year or get fired.

[Bump]

I have talked to my inside source, he informed me that the offense will be somewhere in between the Solari/Herm offense and the Vermeil/Saunders offense.

[The Bad Guy]

Did Cassel really play worse? His QB rating was worse, but primarily because Haley actually had Cassel throwing downfield, and he through some picks. But overall offensively, pre-bye, our offense was a joke. Post-bye, it was probably close to NFL-average. 2 of the last 3 games we had 490 yards or more.

My guess is Haley doesn't think we have the WRs to spread the field. ****ers can't get open, so may as well keep them in to block.

Look, nothing in Haley's bio suggests that we are going to see Herm II. Everything in Herm's bio and rhetoric suggested he did plan to play not-to-lose. Ironically, Herm was given the benefit of the doubt, and no one thought he would mess with the offense....whereas with Haley, the opposite seems to be true.

I think our offense will be better next year, but it will be hard to compare, given we are moving from essentially the easiest schedule the NFL to the hardest. If Haley sucks as an offensive coach, get rid of his ass, because that is what he is supposed to bring to the table. Haley will earn his paycheck next year or get fired.

There's a huge, huge red flag if we are talking about our QB and saying interceptions were a product of throwing downfield.

[kstater]

I wonder what the reaction here had he said they're gonna run a bread and butter offense.

[ChiefsandO'sfan]

This is not true go to the site there is nothing about this on it .http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/hot-news-and-rumors.html&startrow=12

[jd1020]

This is not true go to the site there is nothing about this on it .http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/hot-news-and-rumors.html&startrow=12

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Sunday-Blitz-8249.html

Under "Things I Didn't Used To Know," 3rd paragraph.

[DoucheMcCloud]

Did Cassel really play worse?

LMAO

If you have to ask this question, you either didn't watch the games or don't know what you're watching.

:facepalm:

[DoucheMcCloud]

Without knowing the source of this report, it's difficult to ascertain its validity.

That said, it does jibe with reports of the Chiefs meeting with so many offensive lineman at the Senior Bowl, etc. If they're really wanting to run the ball effectively, regardless of down and distance, they'll need to replace the center, right guard and right tackle this year, just for starters.

[DoucheMcCloud]

This is not true go to the site there is nothing about this on it .http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/hot-news-and-rumors.html&startrow=12

And more proof that you are mildly if not fully, retarded.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/266371-inside-chiefs-coaching-rift?eref=fromSI

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Sunday-Blitz-8249.html

Making Bill Muir the Chiefs’ offensive coordinator made sense from this perspective: head coach Todd Haley wants to run a meat and potatoes offense. He believes the Chiefs’ offensive personnel is best suited to play smash mouth football.

In fact, I’ve been told that was one of the sources of conflict between Haley and Charlie Weis, the former offensive coordinator. Weis wanted to use a lot of shotgun and spread formations while jazzing up the offense. Haley wanted to play it more conservatively.

[BigRedChief]

This better be BSWTF is everyone taking this as gospel? or potential gospel? Not even a link to the opening post about where it come from. Looks like someone fantasy blog entry. Thinking of neg repping the dude just on principle of not posting the link and getting everyone worked up.

Use your brain Planet.....

Haley doesn't run a martyball offense. Never has, never will. He doesn't believe in it, he believes that calculated risk is essential to an offensive game plan. The friggin polar opposite of herm and martyball.

[chiefzilla1501]

Did Cassel really play worse? His QB rating was worse, but primarily because Haley actually had Cassel throwing downfield, and he through some picks. But overall offensively, pre-bye, our offense was a joke. Post-bye, it was probably close to NFL-average. 2 of the last 3 games we had 490 yards or more.

My guess is Haley doesn't think we have the WRs to spread the field. ****ers can't get open, so may as well keep them in to block.

Look, nothing in Haley's bio suggests that we are going to see Herm II. Everything in Herm's bio and rhetoric suggested he did plan to play not-to-lose. Ironically, Herm was given the benefit of the doubt, and no one thought he would mess with the offense....whereas with Haley, the opposite seems to be true.

I think our offense will be better next year, but it will be hard to compare, given we are moving from essentially the easiest schedule the NFL to the hardest. If Haley sucks as an offensive coach, get rid of his ass, because that is what he is supposed to bring to the table. Haley will earn his paycheck next year or get fired.

Unfortunately, our best formula for success is to pound the ball with the run and soften the defense so Cassel can throw. Until he proves otherwise.

Even if we bring in a marquee receiver, I would think the same thing, except maybe a tad bit more pass friendly. I don't see a problem with a more conservative offense if Cassel is our QB.

[Extra Point]

Unfortunately, our best formula for success is to pound the ball with the run and soften the defense so Cassel can throw. Until he proves otherwise.

Even if we bring in a marquee receiver, I would think the same thing, except maybe a tad bit more pass friendly. I don't see a problem with a more conservative offense if Cassel is our QB.

Good thoughts.

Jones better be in good shape. Battle on the payroll will only help. We have a slug of one-back RB's. Castille? What has he done? He's caught a few balls, and helped in short yardage downs. One drawback to the O was forgetting we have the FB position.

The onus is on the defense, no question. Arguing about the spread vs. tight formations is BS. If we have to catch up, we're toast, if we're locked into the running game. You can't pass the ball without protection, and/or an effective ground game.

I saw Herm v2.0 two seasons ago. I don't want to see v3.0.

[MichaelH]

I have talked to my inside source, he informed me that the offense will be somewhere in between the Solari/Herm offense and the Vermeil/Saunders offense.

ROFL and there you have it.

[chiefzilla1501]

Good thoughts.

Jones better be in good shape. Battle on the payroll will only help. We have a slug of one-back RB's. Castille? What has he done? He's caught a few balls, and helped in short yardage downs. One drawback to the O was forgetting we have the FB position.

The onus is on the defense, no question. Arguing about the spread vs. tight formations is BS. If we have to catch up, we're toast, if we're locked into the running game. You can't pass the ball without protection, and/or an effective ground game.

I saw Herm v2.0 two seasons ago. I don't want to see v3.0.

Well, we did see in 2010 that a predictable running attack can work real well. Much better, IMO, than even Herm's offense. Of course, the only legit defense we really faced down the stretch was against Baltimore. This offense could be downright scary with a slightly more conservative run-centered offense if only we could prove we can throw the damn ball downfield, even when the defense is gunning to stop the run.

[chiefforlife]

WTF is everyone taking this as gospel? or potential gospel? Not even a link to the opening post about where it come from. Looks like someone fantasy blog entry. Thinking of neg repping the dude just on principle of not posting the link and getting everyone worked up.

Use your brain Planet.....

Haley doesn't run a martyball offense. Never has, never will. He doesn't believe in it, he believes that calculated risk is essential to an offensive game plan. The friggin polar opposite of herm and martyball.

It lists the source as :National football post. I read it on Rotoworld.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/200216/haley-planning-to-run-a-conservative-offense

Geeesh, settle down. My Rep got wiped out in the "Great rep heist" I dont need any of your help with that. Hehe

[keg in kc]

That said, it does jibe with reports of the Chiefs meeting with so many offensive lineman at the Senior Bowl, etc. If they're really wanting to run the ball effectively, regardless of down and distance, they'll need to replace the center, right guard and right tackle this year, just for starters.You could replace "run the ball effectively" with "pass the ball effectively" while leaving the rest of your statement intact and it could still be considered a valid analysis.

[Fruit Ninja]

Story is horseshit. Like Haley is really known to be conservative. He may have his faults, but the guy has steel balls when it comes to playcalling.

Like others have said, if he doesnt want Cassel, then i can see an issue where we do what we did last year. We all know Cassel has issues and at times can make the good throw, but Haley is kinda stuck with him for now.

[milkman]

Story is horseshit. Like Haley is really known to be conservative. He may have his faults, but the guy has steel balls when it comes to playcalling.

Like others have said, if he doesnt want Cassel, then i can see an issue where we do what we did last year. We all know Cassel has issues and at times can make the good throw, but Haley is kinda stuck with him for now.

One thing Laz has right, even with those steel balls, Haley did call about 100 more rushes than passes in '09.

The question is, will he have more faith in Cassel in '11 than he did '09?

Will Cassel continue his progression from mid season last year, or continue to regress, as he did late last season.

What the Chiefs do on offense in '11 is entirely dependent on the answer to that question.

[Fruit Ninja]

One thing Laz has right, even with those steel balls, Haley did call about 100 more rushes than passes in '09.

The question is, will he have more faith in Cassel in '11 than he did '09?

Will Cassel continue his progression from mid season last year, or continue to regress, as he did late last season.

What the Chiefs do on offense in '11 is entirely dependent on the answer to that question.
I think 2009 was due to the shitty team Cassel had around him. 2009 there was no win for anyone. It was going to be miserable and everyone knew it. Coaches, Front Office, Players, Fans and even homers.

[RustShack]

Yeah its pretty hilarious going into last year everyone knew the Chiefs would be bad no matter who the coach was. But after that its Haley sucks and next year will be the same as that year. This fan base has to have some of the most stupid fans.

[milkman]

I think 2009 was due to the shitty team Cassel had around him. 2009 there was no win for anyone. It was going to be miserable and everyone knew it. Coaches, Front Office, Players, Fans and even homers.

The point is, Haley is going to do what he believes gives him the best chance for success.

If he feels that he has to put more emphasis on running the ball, then that's what he's going to do.

Our O-Line is still a weak link, and Bowe is the only real receiver.

And most importantly, Cassel is still a question mark.

[BigRedChief]

It lists the source as :National football post. I read it on Rotoworld.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/200216/haley-planning-to-run-a-conservative-offense

Geeesh, settle down. My Rep got wiped out in the "Great rep heist" I dont need any of your help with that. HeheI have no idea what a national football post is, looks to me to be some blogger site. No link in a post like this is an epic fail.

This isn't news or even a sourced rumor. Just some dudes idea of whats going to happen. We all have ideas what will happen. Why should we care what this one blogger thinks? Why does it warrant its own thread? Have they been right in the past? Well respected?

[chiefforlife]

I have no idea what a national football post is, looks to me to be some blogger site. No link in a post like this is an epic fail.

This isn't news or even a sourced rumor. Just some dudes idea of whats going to happen. We all have ideas what will happen. Why should we care what this one blogger thinks? Why does it warrant its own thread? Have they been right in the past? Well respected?

I dont go there, but I do read Rotoworld, a very respected site. MANY threads are started with information from Rotoworld. They are the first to report a lot of information. Doesnt mean its right but when did that ever stop someone from posting it...

[Dave]

My prediction: The Chiefs are going to run and pass the ball.

[Mr. Laz]

Haley doesn't run a martyball offense. Never has, never will. He doesn't believe in it, he believes that calculated risk is essential to an offensive game plan. The friggin polar opposite of herm and martyball.link? Source? Anything besides pulling some 'gospel' out of your ass?

[DoucheMcCloud]

I have no idea what a national football post is, looks to me to be some blogger site. No link in a post like this is an epic fail.

This isn't news or even a sourced rumor. Just some dudes idea of whats going to happen. We all have ideas what will happen. Why should we care what this one blogger thinks? Why does it warrant its own thread? Have they been right in the past? Well respected?

National Football Post is run by former NFL GM Michael Lombardi and there are some very good writers that contribute to that site. Dan Pompei, a Chicago based football reporter for decades, wrote that report.

He used to write for the Sporting News as well. The guy is definitely an insider.

Oh, and I previously linked to the report.

[Mr. Laz]

Without knowing the source of this report, it's difficult to ascertain its validity.

truth... we don't KNOW either way

[chiefforlife]

National Football Post is run by former NFL GM Michael Lombardi and there are some very good writers that contribute to that site. Dan Pompei, a Chicago based football reporter for decades, wrote that report.

He used to write for the Sporting News as well. The guy is definitely an insider.

Oh, and I previously linked to the report.

Thank You.

I was just posting a story I read about the Chiefs, I didnt know we were supposed to post the authors biography as well. Hehe

[Short Leash Hootie]

usual suspects bitching and moaning about something that hasn't even happened yet

lololol

[Mr. Laz]

usual suspects bitching and moaning about something that hasn't even happened yet

lolololcompletely unfair imo

It's perfectly acceptable and even expected imo for fans to speculate about what their offense is going to be like after they lose their offensive Coordinator.

what you are some kind of buddist,zen mother fucker who just says Que sera sera?

[BigRedChief]

Thank You.

I was just posting a story I read about the Chiefs, I didnt know we were supposed to post the authors biography as well. Hehejust a link to the story is all thats required. Thats not too much trouble to ask.

[Brock]

I have no idea what a national football post is, looks to me to be some blogger site. No link in a post like this is an epic fail.

This isn't news or even a sourced rumor. Just some dudes idea of whats going to happen. We all have ideas what will happen. Why should we care what this one blogger thinks? Why does it warrant its own thread? Have they been right in the past? Well respected?

That's not a standard any thread has had to meet in the past. Quit whining just because you don't like the message.

[BigRedChief]

That's not a standard any thread has had to meet in the past. Quit whining just because you don't like the message.As I said, a link where the information came from is sufficent. I think that is the acceptable standard here.

[Brock]

As I said, a link where the information came from is sufficent. I think that is the acceptable standard here.

There is no standard. quitcherbitchin.

[DaWolf]

I'm not sure if the notion of being conservative on offense meshes with the reality of Haley's propensity of being aggressive and going for it on fourth downs.

Whatever the case, we have to get better at converting third downs...

[Dave]

usual suspects bitching and moaning about something that hasn't even happened yet

lolololHeh, this.

[beach tribe]

I really find this difficult to believe, since Haley ran a lot of spread in Arizona, and Weis made his money as the Patriot OC by sticking to the run game even when they had marginal success.

The only thing that might lend this credibility is if that Haley believes that Cassel is the weak link and he believes that limiting Cassel and running the ball gives him the best chance to succeed.

Are you even capable of posting something that I don't agree with?

[FAX]

I haven't read this entire thread, so my apologies to all and in advance.

I don't agree with this "article", though. I do not believe that Haley is capable of shutting off the cat burger side of his personality. Once a man has gone cat burger, the only question left is whether or not you're also getting the hot apple turnover.

FAX

[chiefforlife]

As I said, a link where the information came from is sufficent. I think that is the acceptable standard here.

The source is posted in the original post, the story is pasted. I even posted the link I read it at later.....and you still Neg repped me! I even asked you not to after the "rep heist" wow. Thanks.

[Brock]

The source is posted in the original post, the story is pasted. I even posted the link I read it at later.....and you still Neg repped me! I even asked you not to after the "rep heist" wow. Thanks.

That's a dick move.

[Dave]

I haven't read this entire thread, so my apologies to all and in advance.

I don't agree with this "article", though. I do not believe that Haley is capable of shutting off the cat burger side of his personality. Once a man has gone cat burger, the only question left is whether or not you're also getting the hot apple turnover.

FAXLMAO

[The Bad Guy]

Without knowing the source of this report, it's difficult to ascertain its validity.

That said, it does jibe with reports of the Chiefs meeting with so many offensive lineman at the Senior Bowl, etc. If they're really wanting to run the ball effectively, regardless of down and distance, they'll need to replace the center, right guard and right tackle this year, just for starters.

Why would they have to replace Lilja? They'll need to replace Weigmann, but if they are going with a maulball philosophy, B Rich is well suited for that.

What he's not suited for is pass blocking.

Lilja was a great run blocker last year.

[morphius]

This doesn't jive well with the rumor that he took over play calling of the second half of the playoff game, where he didn't run the ball at all.

[crossbow]

If I was the head coach/OC I would certainly go with an offense that needed at least 4 good wideouts when my team has one and a mediocre o-line. Lets get the QB killed. What the hell aye?

Bottom line: We don't know what he plans to do but he is going to use what he has that works. And he isn't going to force his team into a style that it doesn't have the players for. Don't be fooled by last years record. We were the best of the worst. Lots of rebuilding needs to be done yet. Wait another two years and then let the bitching start. Gotta get some players before you can win, aye? And if Haley's play calling sucks then he can fire himself. It would be yet another OC that he couldn't work with....himself.

[DoucheMcCloud]

Why would they have to replace Lilja? They'll need to replace Weigmann, but if they are going with a maulball philosophy, B Rich is well suited for that.

What he's not suited for is pass blocking.

Lilja was a great run blocker last year.

Personally, I prefer Asamoah to Lilja. He's younger but more importantly, bigger and stronger.

Lilja wore down and became less effective as the season progressed, especially the last few games.

I'm all for giving Richardson another year to develop at right tackle but with that said, I wouldn't be surprised if they draft someone to replace him and move him to swing tackle.

[Barret]

Ok let me ask something. The tight lipped, let no information out, "New England West" Pioli camp has released that they will be running a meat and potatoes type offense next year.

And you all believe it? Does that sound Fishy at all to any of you at all? Especially a couple of months before draft?

Well this would almost assure us an Offensive line pick in the draft. Probably a Tackle or Center. Well heck, if I am a team owner and see this I better pick up my tackle or center first before the Chiefs grab him. I can let that OLB or WR go since there is going to be a run on meat and potatoes in the first round.

How many years do we go by and we have to remind ourselves that everything is smoke and mirrors before the draft.

The only way that Haley is running meat and potatoes is if the NFLPA is locked out and they have to get scrubs. He will have to run Meat and Potatoes for Shane Falco to get with the program. Then Mark Castle will return for the playoff game and all the players will quit on him and Falco will be triumphant and the Chiefs will win a playoff game!!!

[Detoxing]

Why would they have to replace Lilja? They'll need to replace Weigmann, but if they are going with a maulball philosophy, B Rich is well suited for that.

What he's not suited for is pass blocking.

Lilja was a great run blocker last year.

I dont know why people keep harping about Lilja. He did a good job last year. He was hardly the weakest link.

[Rausch]

Personally, I prefer Asamoah to Lilja. He's younger but more importantly, bigger and stronger.

Ditto.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Matt Cassel - QB - Chiefs

Chiefs HC Todd Haley wants to run "a meat and potatoes offense" in 2011.
That's good news for Jamaal Charles' fantasy stock, and bad news for Matt Cassel's. Former OC Charlie Weis reportedly left because he wanted "to use a lot of shotgun and spread formations while jazzing up the offense," while Haley wanted to remain conservative. After it became public that Weis was leaving last season, Cassel posted a 0:5 TD-to-INT ratio in two games.
Related: Jamaal Charles
Source: National Football Post
Feb 13, 9:48:00 AM

it appears that the coach really doesn't have much faith in his QB. He did not run conservative in Arizona with Warner as his QB. We will see mundane until Cassel is no longer a Chief.

[Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan]

it appears that the coach really doesn't have much faith in his QB. He did not run conservative in Arizona with Warner as his QB. We will see mundane until Cassel is no longer a Chief.

That or the National Football Post is just pulling crap out of its underwear and seeing who'll accept it blindly.

I love how people will snap up anything that talks bad about the Chiefs organization, whether it's the coaches, players, owner, GM, whatever. BUT, if someone posts good news, they're just homers.

How about we wait and see what the coach will do with 2011, provided there IS a 2011 before panicking? :banghead:

[Chiefnj2]

Former OC Charlie Weis reportedly left because he wanted "to use a lot of shotgun and spread formations while jazzing up the offense,"


Does anyone know the source of the above information?

[Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan]

Former OC Charlie Weis reportedly left because he wanted "to use a lot of shotgun and spread formations while jazzing up the offense,"


Does anyone know the source of the above information?

My guess is a bottle of Tequila on a Saturday night binge when deadline approached.:evil:

[DoucheMcCloud]

Former OC Charlie Weis reportedly left because he wanted "to use a lot of shotgun and spread formations while jazzing up the offense,"


Does anyone know the source of the above information?

That source told Dan Pompei and I'm guessing that he will never reveal who said it. Whether the source is right or wrong is debatable but Pompei has an excellent reputation.

[DoucheMcCloud]

That or the National Football Post is just pulling crap out of its underwear and seeing who'll accept it blindly.

So, you have proof to the contrary? Let us hear it.

I love how people will snap up anything that talks bad about the Chiefs organization, whether it's the coaches, players, owner, GM, whatever. BUT, if someone posts good news, they're just homers.

Please explain how this blurb is negative or bad news.

Thanks.

[DoucheMcCloud]

Ok let me ask something. The tight lipped, let no information out, "New England West" Pioli camp has released that they will be running a meat and potatoes type offense next year.

So, you truly believe that coaches and players don't share information with their friends, especially their friends around the league?

The reason why there's little information coming out of Arrowhead is because players and coaches fear for their jobs and are all too familiar with Pioli and Haley's policies regarding the media.

That doesn't mean that there are not people outside the organization that don't know what's happening inside the organization.

[petegz28]

I don't mind conservative as long as you have the OL that can block for it. Weigman at C spells out a big NO for the power running game.

[DoucheMcCloud]

I don't mind conservative as long as you have the OL that can block for it. Weigman at C spells out a big NO for the power running game.

They interviewed centers and tackles at the Senior Bowl and other outings. With Weigmann stating that he's not sure if he'll return, it's a pretty good bet they'll take someone this year to replace him.

[Mr. Laz]

I don't mind conservative as long as you have the OL that can block for it. Weigman at C spells out a big NO for the power running game.
truth ... if we are going power then i don't know that Wiegman,lilja or Albert are good for that.

We need a better fullback too

[eazyb81]

They interviewed centers and tackles at the Senior Bowl and other outings. With Weigmann stating that he's not sure if he'll return, it's a pretty good bet they'll take someone this year to replace him.

Yes, and publicly meeting with players at the Senior Bowl is never used as a smoke signal.

:rolleyes:

[DoucheMcCloud]

Yes, and publicly meeting with players at the Senior Bowl is never used as a smoke signal.

:rolleyes:

You guys WAY overreact to this "smoke signal" nonsense.

The Chiefs need a center, do they not? The Chiefs need an upgrade at right tackle, do they not?

Richardson may or may not be the starter in 2011. Weigmann is most likely not the starter in 2011. Either way, the Chiefs need a center and they need competition along the offensive line.

[Brock]

You guys WAY overreact to this "smoke signal" nonsense.

The Chiefs need a center, do they not? The Chiefs need an upgrade at right tackle, do they not?

Richardson may or may not be the starter in 2011. Weigmann is most likely not the starter in 2011. Either way, the Chiefs need a center and they need competition along the offensive line.

I agree, it's not like it's a big mystery what the team needs.