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Chiefshrink
02-14-2011, 01:48 PM
Just for you 'splat' and 'jettio:thumb: and any others that buy Obama's nativity story.

Martin is a "proofer" not a "birther". He believes that Obama was probably born in HI and that there probably is a long form and what is on this long form is what is very embarrassing to Obama and he couldn't afford to have America know what is on this because Obama chose to spin(lie) a much different glorified story of "goat herder" from Kenya meets "Kansas Girl" and lives the American dream.

As I theorized, Martin believes also that Frank Marshall Davis is probably his real daddy who bought off Barack Sr. to stand in as Obama's father early on because Frank already had 4 kids and married to a very very wealthy heiress and did not want to risk losing his "sponging fatcat lifestyle" and agreed with Obama's mother(Stanley Anne) to support Obama's education. However Obama did not find out that FMD was his daddy until after Frank died. Enjoy:D


Segment 1

http://www.khow.com/cc-common/mediaplayer/player.html?redir=yes&mps=fullshow_boyles.php&mid=http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/DENVER-CO/KHOW-AM/02142011PETE7A.mp3?CPROG=PCAST?CCOMRRMID&CPROG=RICHMEDIA&MARKET=DENVER-CO&NG_FORMAT=&NG_ID=&OR_NEWSFORMAT=&OWNER=&SERVER_NAME=www.khow.com&SITE_ID=636&STATION_ID=KHOW-AM&TRACK=


Segment 2

http://www.khow.com/cc-common/mediaplayer/player.html?redir=yes&mps=fullshow_boyles.php&mid=http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/DENVER-CO/KHOW-AM/02142011PETE8A.mp3?CPROG=PCAST?CCOMRRMID&CPROG=RICHMEDIA&MARKET=DENVER-CO&NG_FORMAT=&NG_ID=&OR_NEWSFORMAT=&OWNER=&SERVER_NAME=www.khow.com&SITE_ID=636&STATION_ID=KHOW-AM&TRACK=

Slainte
02-14-2011, 02:50 PM
Is there any doubt whatsoever that sportsshrink is a brain-damaged fucktard?

Could anyone possibly justify this shitspawn? Come forward and be revealed for your true capacity...

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/AlejandroHilton.jpg

Chiefshrink
02-14-2011, 08:52 PM
Come forward and be revealed for your true capacity...

Well it's obvious you have come forward and your capacity is "nada"!ROFL

No substantive response:shake:

Insults, namecalling, etc.......... typical:rolleyes:

Jenson71
02-15-2011, 05:19 AM
So much for D'Souza's brilliant "Anti-Imperialist, Anti-Colonialist DNA of Obama" thesis.

patteeu
02-15-2011, 05:46 AM
So much for D'Souza's brilliant "Anti-Imperialist, Anti-Colonialist DNA of Obama" thesis.

I'm not familiar with D'Souza's thesis, but does this mean that you don't think Frank Marshall Davis was an anti-Imperialist and and anti-Colonialist?

Jenson71
02-15-2011, 11:08 AM
I'm not familiar with D'Souza's thesis, but does this mean that you don't think Frank Marshall Davis was an anti-Imperialist and and anti-Colonialist?

I don't know anything about Frank Marshall Davis. I suppose the DNA thing is still intact, then. Hooray.

patteeu
02-15-2011, 11:13 AM
I don't know anything about Frank Marshall Davis. I suppose the DNA thing is still intact, then. Hooray.

His (other?) son posted here a while back (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=226039) to assure us that the rumors of his dad's molestation of children were exaggerated (or untrue or something). But FMD was a member of the communist party who at the very least fantasized about having sex with kids. He was also Obama's childhood mentor in Hawaii.

SNR
02-15-2011, 11:28 AM
Guys, I have a confession.

I'm Obama's daddy. I just kept it quiet because I was amused by this birth issue. But now that I see it's getting out of hand, it's time to come forward with the truth.

I can assure you that he WAS born in the US, though. You'll just have to trust me on that one.

orange
02-15-2011, 12:26 PM
His (other?) son posted here a while back (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=226039) to assure us that the rumors of his dad's molestation of children was exaggerated (or untrue or something). But FMD was a member of the communist party who at the very least fantasized about having sex with kids. He was also Obama's childhood mentor in Hawaii.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/Kaleokualoha

About The Author... Kaleokualoha (Las Vegas, NV)


Son of "Frank" (Frank Marshall Davis), mentioned in "Dreams From My Father," defending against right-wing disinformation (red-baiting) campaign. I was born at 5:31 PM on November 9, 1950, at Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. Frank Marshall Davis is reflected as my father, and Helen Canfield Davis as my mother, on my birth certificate. I graduated from Honolulu's Farrington High School in 1968. I enlisted in the Air Force in December 1968, and have a Letter of Appreciation signed by President Gerald R. Ford on 6 May 1976. I earned a Bachelor of Science (Magna Cum Laude) from the University of Maryland University College through off-duty study in January 1982, and was commissioned as a Second Lieutenant in the United States Air Force on 15 February 1983. I was an Honor Graduate of Course G30BR8051 000 Air Intelligence Officer, Lowry Technical Training Center, on 14 June 1983. I earned my Master of Business Administration through National University through off-duty study in August, 1987. I completed the CIA Deception Analysis Course on 25 August 1989, while assigned to the Defense Intelligence Agency, and have a course certificate from the CIA Office of Training and Education. I retired from the United States Air Force on 1 February 1993, with a Certificate of Retirement signed by Lieutenant General Edward P. Barry Jr., Commander, Space and Missile Systems Center. I also received a Certificate of Appreciation signed by George Bush, Commander In Chief, upon my retirement.


http://my.barackobama.com/page/image/10c6e2423da0ca32bd_yym6i274k.jpg/@mx_110@my_110

orange
02-15-2011, 12:28 PM
Strange, he doesn't look at all like Barack Obama. He DOES look a lot like Frank Marshall Davis, though. I wonder how our resident expert on heredity-by-photo, sportsshrink, will explain that.

patteeu
02-15-2011, 12:30 PM
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/Kaleokualoha

About The Author... Kaleokualoha (Las Vegas, NV)


Son of "Frank" (Frank Marshall Davis), mentioned in "Dreams From My Father," defending against right-wing disinformation (red-baiting) campaign. I was born at 5:31 PM on November 9, 1950, at Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. Frank Marshall Davis is reflected as my father, and Helen Canfield Davis as my mother, on my birth certificate. I graduated from Honolulu's Farrington High School in 1968. I enlisted in the Air Force in December 1968, and have a Letter of Appreciation signed by President Gerald R. Ford on 6 May 1976. I earned a Bachelor of Science (Magna Cum Laude) from the University of Maryland University College through off-duty study in January 1982, and was commissioned as a Second Lieutenant in the United States Air Force on 15 February 1983. I was an Honor Graduate of Course G30BR8051 000 Air Intelligence Officer, Lowry Technical Training Center, on 14 June 1983. I earned my Master of Business Administration through National University through off-duty study in August, 1987. I completed the CIA Deception Analysis Course on 25 August 1989, while assigned to the Defense Intelligence Agency, and have a course certificate from the CIA Office of Training and Education. I retired from the United States Air Force on 1 February 1993, with a Certificate of Retirement signed by Lieutenant General Edward P. Barry Jr., Commander, Space and Missile Systems Center. I also received a Certificate of Appreciation signed by George Bush, Commander In Chief, upon my retirement.


http://my.barackobama.com/page/image/10c6e2423da0ca32bd_yym6i274k.jpg/@mx_110@my_110

Yes, that's the guy.

orange
02-15-2011, 12:38 PM
He's still active debunking all over, too (particularly Boyles and Martin, who seem to have a thing going on), though CP has apparently not touched him recently:

Show – Obama’s Father Was Frank Marshall Davis

Kaleokualoha says:
January 1, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Oh, please, Andy! More silliness? With your deductive powers and reasoning ability, Las Vegas could use your money.

- Do you have ANY evidence that Davis spent time at the UofH campus? Fabricating evidence is frowned upon.

- Davis did not have money to finance his children’s education, nor did he receive anything from his marriage. He was divorced before he met Obama. He lived in a run-down studio apartment in Waikiki.

- “What else could explain grandfather Stanley Dunham introducing Obama, Jr. to Davis and arranging for them to spend time together?” The answer is supplied in “Dreams”: Gramps wanted a black influence in Barry’s life.

Misrepresenting speculation as truth is dishonest.

“The way to combat noxious ideas is with other ideas. The way to combat falsehoods is with truth.” – William O. Douglas

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Kaleokualoha says:
January 6, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Davis’s wife was not “very wealthy.” Helen Davis was estranged from her wealthy family due to her marriage, and worked selling Avon cosmetics in Hawaii.

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Kaleokualoha says:
January 7, 2011 at 7:06 pm
BTW: Andy, you need to pick a position. Do you believe that Obama IS or IS NOT eligible to be President as a “natural born citizen”? This is a binary question.

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Kaleokualoha says:
February 8, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Can anyone else outline a coherent position on this issue?

http://work949.wordpress.com/2010/12/31/king-of-the-birthers-andy-martin-on-peter-boyles-radio-show-obamas-father-was-frank-marshall-davis/

Chiefshrink
02-15-2011, 02:34 PM
Strange, he doesn't look at all like Barack Obama. He DOES look a lot like Frank Marshall Davis, though. I wonder how our resident expert on heredity-by-photo, sportsshrink, will explain that.

Hey orange juice!



http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1lGFYYNkw_o/TR-4whgHA-I/AAAAAAAACV8/dv09ofFkD40/s1600/ObamaDavisObamaDunham.jpg&imgrefurl=http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/01/youtube-andy-martin-discusses-his-2012.html&h=786&w=800&sz=106&tbnid=uqRk39duLLIkpM:&tbnh=140&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfrank%2Bmarshall%2Bdavis%2Bobama%2Bphoto&zoom=1&q=frank+marshall+davis+obama+photo&usg=__od-Y_BF7Qg5Eb-BXllp_bytj4lg=&sa=X&ei=-fBaTZL-L8OatweZst2_Cw&ved=0CBkQ9QEwAA

Chiefshrink
02-15-2011, 02:44 PM
His (other?) son posted here a while back (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=226039) to assure us that the rumors of his dad's molestation of children were exaggerated (or untrue or something). But FMD was a member of the communist party who at the very least fantasized about having sex with kids. He was also Obama's childhood mentor in Hawaii.

What I Learned from Obama's Pop
By Jack Cashill
"Who in the world am I? Ah, that's the great puzzle!"
- Alice in Wonderland


A little more than a month ago, I began my first descent into the rabbit hole of Barack Obama's origins, a place known to swallow reputations whole. What prompted my inquiry was an e-mail from a correspondent asking my opinion of "Pop," a poem published under the 19-year-old Obama's name in the spring 1981 edition of Occidental College's literary magazine, Feast. Having no prior bias going in, here is what I have concluded coming out.


•Questioning Obama's origins is a legitimate enterprise. Even by their own humble standards, the major media -- including Obama's biographers -- have done an impressively slack job in tracing the president's uncertain roots.

•Obama was almost assuredly born in Hawaii. There is no evidence that puts him elsewhere. Undoing the Kenyan possibility is the high likelihood that the "marriage" between Barack Sr. and Ann Dunham was a sham.

•Much depends on that marriage. "My parents shared not only an improbable love, they shared an abiding faith in the possibilities of this nation," said Obama, establishing the romantic narrative in his keynote speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. His father was from Kenya. His mother was from "a town on the other side of the world, in Kansas."

•To paraphrase Harry Reid, Obama was no ordinary "Negro." Said Joe Biden of Obama's background, "I mean, that's a storybook, man." Enough depends on this story that Team Obama would and has dissembled to preserve it.

•For starters, Ann Dunham spent her formative years in Washington State, several of them in the progressive cocoon of Mercer Island. It was to Washington that she returned for a year immediately after Obama's birth, a fact missed by every Obama biography I could find.

•Baby Barack spent most of his first year in Washington as well, another fact overlooked by the biographers.

•There is not much storybook to a romance in which the mother leaves home immediately after her son's birth. Barack Sr.'s close friends have no memory even of a relationship between him and Dunham.

•When Barack Sr. left Hawaii a year after Obama's birth, Ann's father Stanley was there to see him off with smiles. He would always speak well of the black man who knocked up his daughter and then abandoned wife and child -- mighty unusual behavior from a father-in-law.

•There was a marriage license from another county, Maui -- a classic way to avoid local notification -- and a divorce, but if there was a wedding, then no one attended it. There was no ring, no photos, no leis.

•Ann Dunham met Barack Sr. in Russian class. (In 1960, people like Lee Harvey Oswald took Russian classes.) The possibility that the Dunhams recruited Barack Sr. to front for a less savory impregnation of Ann by a black man makes more sense than the fabled romance. Obama looks nothing like Barack Sr.

•No, there is absolutely no reason to believe that the father was Malcolm X:D.

•This brings us back to "Pop." Every mainstream reviewer I could find has argued that the subject of the poem was Obama's grandfather, Stanley Dunham. None of them asked why Obama would write a poem about his "Gramps" and title it "Pop." None addressed the questions of paternity implicit in the title and in the confrontation between son and father figure.

•On closer examination, the poem is almost assuredly about Obama's African-American mentor, the communist Frank Marshall Davis. There are two good reasons to assert this. One is that "Pop" recites a poem that he had written. Davis was a poet. Dunham was not.

•The second reason is that "Pop" actually appears to have been written by Davis about his own relationship with Obama.

•A stronger case can be made for Davis's authorship than for Obama's. For one, "Pop" has a different style altogether from a silly adolescent poem called "Underground" published under Obama's name along with "Pop" in Feast. Critic Warwick Collins rightly describes "Pop" as "by far the more powerful and complex" of the two, and his is the consensus opinion.

•For another, "Pop" closely resembles in style, language, and subject a matter a poem published by Davis in 1975 called "To A Young Man." The literary analyst who unearthed this poem -- I have referred to him as "Mr. West" -- has argued for Davis as "Pop" from the beginning.

•In each of the two poems in question, the young man is the narrator. In each, the old man, the Davis character, is discussed in the third person. In the 1981 poem, the narrator calls him "Pop," in the 1975 poem "the old man." In each poem, when this older character speaks to the young man, he does so without benefit of quotation marks.

•In "To A Young Man," the Davis character says on one occasion, "Since then I have drunk/ Hal a hundred liquid years/ Distilled Through restless coils of wisdom."

•Note the similar flow of language in "Pop": "Pop switches channels, takes another/ Shot of Seagrams, neat, and asks/ What to do with me, a green young man."

•As is evident in these two short samples, both poems are written in free verse and make ready use of what is called "enjambment" -- that is the abrupt continuation of a sentence from one line into the next.

•There are parallels in word choice as well as style. "Neat" means without water or ice. "Neat" and "distilled" both suggest a kind of alcoholic purity. Each of these words is emphasized by isolating it from the flow of the text.
•Both poems are published with a seeming typo that may, in fact, be a pun.

In "To A Young Man," as cited above, the old man says, "Since then I have drunk/ Hal a hundred liquid years/ Distilled." On first reading, I presumed the capitalized "Hal" to be a reference to young Prince Hal of Shakespeare's Henry IV with an allusion to the old man as Hal's wayward guide, Sir John Falstaff. The sentence reads better, however, if the old man, fifty years older than his young friend, says, "I have drunk half a hundred liquid years."

•In "Pop," the older man "Stands, shouts, and asks
/ For a hug, as I shink." Most reviewers simply dismiss "shink" as a typo, the right word being "shrink." Still, as poet Ian McMillan notes in the U.K. Guardian, "shink" literally means "to be hit in the face with a penis." I am not making this up.

•In each case, too, the older man shares his wisdom with a "young man" who may not be eager to hear it. The young man of "Pop" dismisses that wisdom as a mere "spot" in his brain, "something
/that may be squeezed out, like a/ 
Watermelon seed between/
 Two fingers."

•Comparably, the narrator of "To A Young Man" observes that the old man "walked until/ On the slate horizon/ He erased himself." Whether "squeezed out" or "erased" from the young man's consciousness, the Davis character understands just how tenuous is his hold on the lad.

•For all his awareness, however, the older man finds a certain drunken satisfaction in the exchange. Towards the end of "To A Young Man," the old man "turned/ His hammered face/ To the pounding stars/ Smiled/ Like the ring of a gong." "Pop" also concludes on an upbeat note: "I see my face, framed within
/ Pop's black-framed glasses/ 
And know he's laughing too."

•There is no reason to believe that the "young man" of the 1975 poem is Obama. The reader is told that the younger fellow is twenty years old and that the old man is fifty years older. Davis was precisely seventy in 1975, but Obama was no more than fourteen. Lacking too in the 1975 poem is the intimacy and anxiety that characterizes "Pop."

•In fact, "Pop" hints at both a blood relationship between the two men and a sexual one. The very name of the poem implies paternity, and in the poem the young man uses reflections and mirrors to show a physical resemblance between himself and the old man.

•As to a possible sexual relationship between Obama and the admittedly bisexual Davis, the poem offers some intriguing evidence: "Pop ... points out the same amber/ Stain on his shorts that I've got on mine, and/ Makes me smell his smell, coming/ From me."

•It is impossible to confirm that Davis either sired Obama or sexually abused him, but this imagery does at the least reek of some unsavory boundary violation.

•As compensation, Davis may well have slipped this "green young man" a poem for publication. Such an everyday fraud would not have seemed unethical to an old man used to the "flim and flam" ("Pop") of a world where "one plus one" does not necessarily make "two or three or four" ("To A Young Man").

•Trained to believe that nothing adds up and the deck is stacked against him, Obama has seemed from the beginning entirely comfortable with his counterfeit literary career.

•This chicanery would reach fruition in Dreams, the acclaimed literary success that laid the foundation of the Obama-as-genius myth. The evidence that Obama pal and mentor Bill Ayers largely ghosted this memoir now overwhelms the objective reviewer.

•In the final analysis, Davis, a pornographer with a stated fondness for young white women, makes as likely a suspect to be Obama's blood father as Barack Sr. Team Obama's evasiveness about the birth certificate and other questions of origins may have something to do with paternity issues.

•Questions about Obama's citizenship remain in play. His seeming adoption by the Muslim Lolo Soetoro and his removal to Indonesia cloud the issue of nationality. Obama was, in fact, registered at school there as "Barry Soetoro," a "Muslim" and an Indonesian citizen.


Contrary to rumor, Obama could have traveled to Pakistan on an American passport in 1981. Whether he did or not is another question. It was not until April 2008 at a San Francisco fundraiser that Obama casually let it be known that he had traveled to Pakistan at all. Curiously, he had not mentioned this trip in either of his two books or in any prior public discussion of Pakistan.

•Raising suspicions further was the fact that two weeks before the Pakistan admission, someone had improperly accessed Obama's passport on three occasions. That someone worked for John Brennan at Analysis Corp., a company with fewer than a hundred employees. A former CIA operative then advising Obama, Brennan is now Deputy National Security Adviser.


Curiouser and curiouser! Those dependent on the major media for their news know close to none of the above. They have been coached to believe that only Mad Hatters and "birthers" would dare question the self-serving slop of disinformation that the media have dished out in the age of Obama. Well, off now to see Alice -- something of a homecoming for me, as I have lived in Wonderland for the last several years.

Slainte
02-15-2011, 02:48 PM
Seriously, you might want to consider having someone take a Black & Decker drill into your skull to relieve the pressure of stupidity.

Chiefshrink
02-15-2011, 02:52 PM
I don't know anything about Frank Marshall Davis.

Not surprising since your MSMM sources dare not vet the 'real Obama':rolleyes:

That's like a person who is an expert in nuclear energy and doesn't know who Robert Oppenhiemer was. Oppenhiemer was the author/creator of the atom/hydrogen bomb.

FMD is the author/creator of Barack Obama:thumb:

Chiefshrink
02-15-2011, 02:53 PM
Seriously, you might want to consider having someone take a Black & Decker drill into your skull to relieve the pressure of stupidity.

Show yourself worthy?:shrug:

go bowe
02-15-2011, 02:54 PM
Seriously, you might want to consider having someone take a Black & Decker drill into your skull to relieve the pressure of stupidity.ROFL ROFL ROFL :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :) :) :)

orange
02-15-2011, 02:54 PM
Hey orange juice!



http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1lGFYYNkw_o/TR-4whgHA-I/AAAAAAAACV8/dv09ofFkD40/s1600/ObamaDavisObamaDunham.jpg&imgrefurl=http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/01/youtube-andy-martin-discusses-his-2012.html&h=786&w=800&sz=106&tbnid=uqRk39duLLIkpM:&tbnh=140&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfrank%2Bmarshall%2Bdavis%2Bobama%2Bphoto&zoom=1&q=frank+marshall+davis+obama+photo&usg=__od-Y_BF7Qg5Eb-BXllp_bytj4lg=&sa=X&ei=-fBaTZL-L8OatweZst2_Cw&ved=0CBkQ9QEwAA

Exactly. It is quite plain that Barack looks nothing at all like Davis, but is the spitting image of his mother. Just like Davis' actual son (above in #11) is the spitting image of his father. Thank you for confirming that.

In related news:

http://gingerfightback.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/rasta_orangutan.jpg

http://30daysout.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/george_carlin.jpg

Brothers, right?

go bowe
02-15-2011, 03:01 PM
yes...

SNR
02-15-2011, 03:18 PM
Exactly. It is quite plain that Barack looks nothing at all like Davis, but is the spitting image of his mother. Just like Davis' actual son (above in #11) is the spitting image of his father. Thank you for confirming that.

In related news:

http://gingerfightback.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/rasta_orangutan.jpg

http://30daysout.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/george_carlin.jpg

Brothers, right?Racist

Slainte
02-15-2011, 03:27 PM
Show yourself worthy?:shrug:

Thank you, Poofter Queen.












Oh, I forgot....

:thumb:

orange
02-15-2011, 03:28 PM
Racist

Speciesist

ClevelandBronco
02-15-2011, 06:14 PM
Never forget.

Chiefshrink
02-15-2011, 08:02 PM
Thank you, Poofter Queen.












Oh, I forgot....

:thumb:

I see you haven't changed your tampon yet:rolleyes:

Chiefshrink
02-15-2011, 08:12 PM
Exactly. It is quite plain that Barack looks nothing at all like Davis, but is the spitting image of his mother. Just like Davis' actual son (above in #11) is the spitting image of his father. Thank you for confirming that.

orange, I think you have a little too much vodka in your screwdriver buddy:thumb:

BucEyedPea
02-15-2011, 09:36 PM
Exactly. It is quite plain that Barack looks nothing at all like Davis, but is the spitting image of his mother. Just like Davis' actual son (above in #11) is the spitting image of his father. Thank you for confirming that.



Brothers, right?

You have poor visual sense. You might try doing portraits, study skulls and do some anatomy drawings of the head and features. Obama's mother can be seen in his face but also Davis. It's there. You're not really looking.
Obama looks like a thinner Davis to me right off the bat.

Chiefshrink
02-15-2011, 09:38 PM
You have poor visual sense. You might try doing portraits, study skulls and do some anatomy drawings of the head and features. Obama's mother can be seen in his face but also Davis. It's there. You're not really looking.
Obama looks like a thinner Davis to me right off the bat.

Thankyou:thumb:

BucEyedPea
02-15-2011, 09:43 PM
http://johndenugent.com/images/frank-marshall-davis-ann-dunham.jpg

BucEyedPea
02-15-2011, 09:44 PM
You think he looks like the man on the lower left? NOT at ALL!

http://state-of-the-nation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/6a010534d2b08f970b010535bc9f4b970b-800wi-300x294.jpg

Chiefshrink
02-15-2011, 10:34 PM
Seriously, you might want to consider having someone take a Black & Decker drill into your skull to relieve the pressure of stupidity.

as opposed to you going to a Doctor who would perform an extra special "colonoscopy" in order to pull your head out of your ass?:shrug:LMAO

orange
02-16-2011, 12:35 AM
You have poor visual sense. You might try doing portraits, study skulls and do some anatomy drawings of the head and features. Obama's mother can be seen in his face but also Davis. It's there. You're not really looking.

Nonsense.

Obama - NO jowls
THIN neck
NARROW POINTED chin
NO jaw
EARS out
PROMINENT cheekbones
NARROW forehead

http://obama4usa.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/barack-obama-1.jpg

Davis - HUGE jowls
WIDE neck
WIDE FLAT chin
HUGE jaw
EARS back
INVISIBLE cheekbones
BROAD forehead

http://www.lib.k-state.edu/depts/spec/exhibits/pbs/images/davis-frank1925.jpghttp://www.lib.k-state.edu/depts/spec/exhibits/pbs/images/davis-frank-rp1926p337.jpg

I believe both of your diagnoses ALMOST as much as I believed Frist's diagnosis of Terri Schiavo. Neither of you would have guessed Davis looked like Obama in a million years if someone hadn't told you - AND supplied carefully culled pictures, including possibly the ONLY picture of Barack with his chin tucked in like that.

Mr. Flopnuts
02-16-2011, 12:38 AM
LMAO This shit has become priceless.

ClevelandBronco
02-16-2011, 12:39 AM
Nonsense.

Obama - NO jowls
THIN neck
NARROW POINTED chin
NO jaw
EARS out
PROMINENT cheekbones
NARROW forehead

http://obama4usa.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/barack-obama-1.jpg

Davis - HUGE jowls
WIDE neck
WIDE FLAT chin
HUGE jaw
EARS back
INVISIBLE cheekbones
BROAD forehead

http://www.lib.k-state.edu/depts/spec/exhibits/pbs/images/davis-frank1925.jpghttp://www.lib.k-state.edu/depts/spec/exhibits/pbs/images/davis-frank-rp1926p337.jpg

I believe both of your diagnoses ALMOST as much as I believed Frist's diagnosis of Terri Schiavo.

Not only that. One of them's black.

orange
02-16-2011, 01:09 AM
You think he looks like the man on the lower left? NOT at ALL!

http://state-of-the-nation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/6a010534d2b08f970b010535bc9f4b970b-800wi-300x294.jpg

He sure looks like THIS guy, though.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/assets/images/2009/11/16/091116123223_obama_brother_466.jpg

A guy sportsshrink and his fellow idiots say shares NOT ONE SINGLE CHROMOSOME with BO. ROFL

Mark Ndesandjo, half-brother of President Barack Obama - KENYAN half-brother

Kaleokualoha
02-16-2011, 01:27 AM
LMAO This shit has become priceless.

Amen!!! (Please see www kaleokualoha2878577.newsvine.com)

go bowe
02-16-2011, 01:50 AM
Amen!!! (Please see www kaleokualoha2878577.newsvine.com)how'd you find this place?

i'd be interested in hearing what you think of this boyles guy and the whole birther/proofer/moonbat phenomenon...

do you enjoy being the half-brother of the president? :evil: :evil: :evil:

bowener
02-16-2011, 02:01 AM
ROFL

BucEyedPea
02-16-2011, 07:08 AM
Nonsense.

Obama - NO jowls
THIN neck
NARROW POINTED chin
NO jaw
EARS out
PROMINENT cheekbones
NARROW forehead


Davis - HUGE jowls
WIDE neck
WIDE FLAT chin
HUGE jaw
EARS back
INVISIBLE cheekbones
BROAD forehead


I thought of posting "minus the jowls" because he doesn't have to have the jowls if he looks a bit like both of them.
However, I did say he looked like a thinner Davis. Sorry but your points on wide, huge and broad don't cut it. It's their shapes. Like I said a "thinner" Davis. He's fatter which hides definition in his cheekbones. The thinner comes from his Mom. He doesn't have to have the jowls or of Davis to say he looks like both Davis and his Mom. Or did you not read that part?

For example Obama's face shape is more oblong whereas his mother's is triangular. That's from Davis minus the jowls. Then look at his eye and brow areas as well as the hairlines. His mom's sockets and eyes are quite different than Obama's having a shallower plane ( per that photo) than that of Davis and further away from her brows. Obama's nose is a thinner smaller similar version of the nose on Davis—if not exact. The lips are thinner like his mom's but have some shared characteristics with the upper lips on Davis as well as his mom's. You can't see his mom's ears and yes, those are not the same as Davis. So what? He's not going to be an exact replica as he is a different person. Looking like does not mean exactly it's a matter of degree. I said he looks like both which means in certain parts. You can see it.

Like I said, you're not discerning it. You need to observe and study skulls, do plane drawings of faces, draw features and portraits. It's there.

Kaleokualoha
02-16-2011, 01:20 PM
how'd you find this place?

i'd be interested in hearing what you think of this boyles guy and the whole birther/proofer/moonbat phenomenon...

do you enjoy being the half-brother of the president? :evil: :evil: :evil:

I ordered a "Google Alert" that advises me whenever "Frank Marshall Davis" newly appears on the web.

I believe the birthers/proofers need to get a life. Obama's short form certificate is the same type that thousands of Hawaiians use to prove their birth in Hawaii. It is accepted as prima facie evidence of birth by the State Department. The long form is used to prove native Hawaiian bloodlines, not birth in the United States.

If I actually WAS Obama's half-brother, there may be some advantages, just as there would be advantages if I was Oprah's half-brother. There is no evidence to that effect, only specious speculation. There is no evidence that my father ever met Obama's mother, much less that they ever had sex.

BTW: Your "evil" question is a loaded question, because it presumes an unsubstantiated "fact" (that I actually AM his half-brother).

"Have patience awhile; slanders are not long-lived. Truth is the child of time; erelong she shall appear to vindicate thee." - Immanuel Kant

ClevelandBronco
02-16-2011, 01:24 PM
I ordered a "Google Alert" that advises me whenever "Frank Marshall Davis" newly appears on the web.

I have a new hobby.

Kaleokualoha
02-16-2011, 01:29 PM
I have a new hobby.

Hope you use your power for good rather than evil.:D

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened." - Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

patteeu
02-16-2011, 01:35 PM
I ordered a "Google Alert" that advises me whenever "Frank Marshall Davis" newly appears on the web.

I believe the birthers/proofers need to get a life. Obama's short form certificate is the same type that thousands of Hawaiians use to prove their birth in Hawaii. It is accepted as prima facie evidence of birth by the State Department. The long form is used to prove native Hawaiian bloodlines, not birth in the United States.

If I actually WAS Obama's half-brother, there may be some advantages, just as there would be advantages if I was Oprah's half-brother. There is no evidence to that effect, only specious speculation. There is no evidence that my father ever met Obama's mother, much less that they ever had sex.

BTW: Your "evil" question is a loaded question, because it presumes an unsubstantiated "fact" (that I actually AM his half-brother).

"Have patience awhile; slanders are not long-lived. Truth is the child of time; erelong she shall appear to vindicate thee." - Immanuel Kant

His "half-brother" statement was tongue-in-cheek, I'm sure.

BTW, maybe there are advantages to being Oprah's half brother, but it doesn't look like there's much juice in being Obama's:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/08/21/alg_bro.jpg

patteeu
02-16-2011, 01:36 PM
Hope you use your power for good rather than evil.:D

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened." - Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

You seem like an alright guy. I wish you were president instead of your dad's favorite son. :Poke:

Kaleokualoha
02-16-2011, 01:39 PM
His "half-brother" statement was tongue-in-cheek, I'm sure.

BTW, maybe there are advantages to being Oprah's half brother, but it doesn't look like there's much juice in being Obama's:



Agreed.:eek:

Kaleokualoha
02-16-2011, 09:07 PM
You seem like an alright guy. I wish you were president instead of your dad's favorite son. :Poke:

Thanks, but I am my "dad's favorite son," because I am his only son.

"I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality. That is why right, temporarily defeated, is stronger than evil triumphant." - Martin Luther King Jr. (1929 - 1968)

patteeu
02-16-2011, 11:26 PM
Thanks, but I am my "dad's favorite son," because I am his only son.

You might be in denial, but who can blame you. :shrug:

Kaleokualoha
02-17-2011, 12:04 PM
You might be in denial, but who can blame you. :shrug:

In the absence of empirical evidence to that effect, that is merely specious speculation. Here is a column devoted to those who misrepresent speculation as fact: kaleokualoha2878577.newsvine.com/_news/2011/01/09/5801331-disinformation-from-right-wing-fantasyland (because I am still ineligible to post complete links, please add appropriate prefix to complete the link).

"The way to combat noxious ideas is with other ideas. The way to combat falsehoods is with truth."
- William O. Douglas

patteeu
02-17-2011, 01:15 PM
In the absence of empirical evidence to that effect, that is merely specious speculation. Here is a column devoted to those who misrepresent speculation as fact: kaleokualoha2878577.newsvine.com/_news/2011/01/09/5801331-disinformation-from-right-wing-fantasyland (because I am still ineligible to post complete links, please add appropriate prefix to complete the link).

"The way to combat noxious ideas is with other ideas. The way to combat falsehoods is with truth."
- William O. Douglas

FTR, I'm not representing speculation as fact, I said you "might" be in denial. Much of what you call specious speculation could be cleared up if Barack Obama were more transparent about his biography. His shady history invites speculation. Thanks for the article though.

I don't find the excuses for FMD's communist ties very convincing though. If it was normal for African American poets to associate with CPUSA during that period, then all normal African American poets from that period should be suspect. That doesn't mean that they're all guilty of ongoing communist sympathy, but it does mean that they are more likely to have those ongoing sympathies than the abnormal African American poet who rejected that type of association. Do you have any examples of FMD condemning socialism in his writings?

Kaleokualoha
02-17-2011, 04:43 PM
Thanks for your response. You brought up some interesting questions.

YOU WROTE: "If it was normal for African American poets to associate with CPUSA during that period, then all normal African American poets from that period should be suspect. That doesn't mean that they're all guilty of ongoing communist sympathy, but it does mean that they are more likely to have those ongoing sympathies than the abnormal African American poet who rejected that type of association."

RESPONSE: Both Langston Hughes and Richard Wright, along with Frank Marshall Davis, were involved with the CPUSA. Please see "The new red Negro: the literary left and African American poetry, 1930-1946 By James Edward Smethurst," cited by AIM's Cliff Kincaid, at books.google.com/books?id=kt5LMD-OnxoC&pg=PA48&lpg=PA48&dq=%22the+new+red+negro%22+communist+davis&source=web&ots=B-HaNJA9HW&sig=ZiOltjxuI1QwdjCAvvEC0f4NnGQ&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#v=onepage&q=%22the%20new%20red%20negro%22%20communist%20davis&f=false (with the appropriate prefix, of course).

YOU WROTE: "Do you have any examples of FMD condemning socialism in his writings?"

RESPONSE: Absolutely! : Contrary to Davis’s actual 1950 “Frank-ly Speaking” column, which has been posted online for years (hawaii.edu/uhwo/clear/HonoluluRecord1/frankblog1950.html, with appropriate prefix), critics claim that Davis SUPPORTED socialism, when in fact Davis REJECTED socialism (i.e., letting “the government own and operate our major industries”). Davis said socialism was a “HORROR”!

Davis said that we didn’t have free enterprise any more. Davis supported small businessmen, which he considered a “casualty” of monopolies. He said they are the BACKBONE of free enterprise.” He said we had to decide to OUST the monopolies, which were driving us down the road to ruin, and restore a competing system of free enterprise. In the ACTUAL ”Free Enterprise or Socialism” column from which Kengor stacks his evidence, Davis wrote:

“As for free enterprise, it doesn’t live here any more. At the same time we have manufactured a national horror of socialism. Meanwhile, the dictatorship of the monopolies is driving us down the road to ruin. And so, with still rising unemployment and a mounting depression, the time draws nearer when we will have to decide to oust the monopolies and restore a competing system of free enterprise, or let the government own and operate our major industries.”

“Backbone of Free Enterprise Broken: In this control by monopoly, the small businessman, the backbone of free enterprise, has been a casualty. He cannot compete against the tremendous financial reserves of the huge monopolies, and thus we find more and more forced into bankruptcy or absorbed by the monopolies. Those small businessmen who supported the Marshall Plan have been unable to get but a pittance of orders, for here it’s the Big Boys Who, through their contacts with official Washington, walk off with the fat contracts.”

Thanks for asking!

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)

Kaleokualoha
02-17-2011, 04:51 PM
From my column at kaleokualoha2878577.newsvine.com/_news/2011/01/23/5904811-frank-marshall-davis-and-jim-crow (with appropriate prefix):

FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS AND JIM CROW

Although contemporary criticism of Frank Marshall Davis's CPUSA activity may have merit, it enjoys the advantage of hindsight. It is more reasonable to view the choices made by historical figures by historical standards.

For most people emerging from the Great Depression, economic justice was more important than the perceived perils of collectivism. For African-Americans with the added burden of Jim Crow, when a black male could be lynched for whistling at a white woman, equal opportunity seemed an impossible dream. Even idealists often focus on self-preservation. Although American principles declare "all men are created equal," Jim Crow belied that "self-evident truth." For intelligent people during Jim Crow, as it was during Slavery, official policies were obviously out of line with official principles in some areas.

It is the irrefutable duty of every American to uphold the Constitution of the United States, including the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment. When you are victimized by unequal protection of the laws, official practice has clearly diverged from principle. Victims had two choices: accept victimization or fight victimization. Some actually believed people should “live free or die.”

Within African-American communities, most Booker T. Washington style “accomodationists” accepted victimization with minimal protest, while civil rights activists fought victimization. This alone drew “communist” accusations, as the case of MLK Jr. demonstrates. Because they opposed Jim Crow policies of the United States, they were also subject to “anti-American” accusations.

Dictionary.com defines "anti-American" as "opposed or hostile to the United States of America, its people, its principles, or its policies," which is a rather broad area of disagreement. Because Jim Crow WAS the policy of the United States before the Civil Rights Era, anyone who opposed Jim Crow could have been considered "anti-American," just as anyone who opposed slavery or apartheid could be considered "anti-" around the world. Anyone who loves his country, yet rejects either the principles or policies of his country, could nevertheless be labeled “anti-American.”

Because American policies often conflicted with stated principles, to support one was to oppose the other - an issue that troubled people of conscience since the birth of our country. Thus anyone who supported one or the other could be considered "anti-American." Anyone who supported both was a hypocrite. Civil rights activists who challenged the gap between principle and policy were against American policy, not principle.

(BTW: Although I strongly oppose communism, many communists sincerely believe that collectivism is the salvation of the world, and can be perfected without coercion. Unlikely. But is communism “unconstitutional”? Does it violate the most basic American statement of principles, The Constitution of the United States of America? Communism certainly violates our economic principles, but are economic principles inviolable? Unlike Jim Crow, even communism does not appear unconstitutional.

Those who seek to change American policy in alignment with existing principle will often sponsor laws. Those who seek to change our basic principles may seek constitutional amendment. They ALL may be considered "anti-American" under the broad current definition, because they opposed either American principle or policy.

From the perspective of the early 1940's, the broad gap between American democratic principles and reality was obvious to those victimized by Jim Crow. The even wider gap between Marxist principles and Soviet reality was not nearly as obvious. The fatal flaw of socialism (i.e., collective interest was an insufficient motivator for individual initiative) had yet to be revealed. Consequently, as outlined in "The New Red Negro," the CPUSA's draw for African-American idealists, including civil right activists, writers, and intelligentsia, was immense.

As previously posted, a huge proportion of African-American poets (and writers and intellectuals generally) remained engaged with the Communist Left and cultural institutions from at least the early 1930's until at least the early 1950's. With the partial exception of the period from the German invasion of the Soviet Union to the end of the Second World War, the CPUSA placed the issue of race and the fight against Jim Crow near the center of all its work.

Before the end of WWII, the heinous atrocities of Hitler and Stalin were not yet common knowledge in the United States, as both were quite skilled at propaganda. Even before WWII, Stalinism was rejected by CPUSA idealists who nevertheless considered the “communist utopia” to be a worthwhile goal. The predominant image of communism was not the Soviet gulag. Instead, it was the illusory "workers paradise" outlined by communist doctrine.

All people of integrity, of any color, cared about the divergence between principle and policy. They loved their country more for the principle than the practice of democracy herein. They criticized serious economic and political flaws in America, an easy task during the Great Depression.

The CPUSA promised equal rights, and was a natural draw for anyone bitter over the gap between Jim Crow and the presumptive principle that "all men are created equal." For the victims of Jim Crow, the CPUSA promised greater freedom than contemporaneous American policy. The perceived disadvantages of collectivism paled in comparison to freedom from lynching. Unbeknownst to them, the Soviets were also racist.

For writers, as opposed to other intellectuals, the draw was virtually irresistible because only the CPUSA provided institutional support. The Jim Crow era provided some opportunity for other professionals, eventually including even aviators through the Tuskegee Airmen program, but these were usually people who decided to work within the system rather than trying to change the system.

Older educated blacks may have had interest in the status quo, and internalized the accommodation strategy of Booker T. Washington. Younger blacks were usually seeking their pieces of the pie. Most blacks, regardless of education, did not seek to rock the boat through civil rights activism.

Only a special breed of gifted African-American communicators had the will and ability to directly challenge Jim Crow. These activists were often considered “communist” regardless of economic orientation, although only a fraction actually belonged to the CPUSA. According to another broad dictionary.com definition, any leftist may be considered “communist.”

By the standards of any era, fighting injustice is better than accommodating injustice. Activism is the tool by which a person of integrity fights injustice. Frank Marshall Davis fought injustice long before Martin Luther King, Jr., but his fight was no less sincere. Before 1954, activists such as Davis fought Jim Crow laws, while later activists fought de facto practices. Activists of both eras, including Frank Marshall Davis, were labeled “communist” although they rejected collectivist values.

By the broadest definitions, then, Frank Marshall Davis could be described as “anti-American” or “communist,” but more realistic definitions would exclude him from their scope. “Pro-American” would be a more accurate descriptor, because Davis loved America, and especially the promise of what it could be.

Despite joining the CPUSA, empirical evidence shows that Davis did NOT believe in collectivism. He was a “Communist” in name only, just as some people are “Christian” in name only. People often join organizations without internalizing their values, especially when membership has other advantages.

Davis's 26 January 1950 Honolulu Record "Frank-ly Speaking" column ("Free Enterprise or Socialism") proves that he favored free enterprise by small businesses, which he believed were being ruined by monopolies (hawaii.edu/uhwo/clear/HonoluluRecord1/frankblog1950.html, with appropriate prefix, as previously posted). Davis criticized Stalin, and rejected fascism, the dominance of monopolies, and the “horror of socialism” in writing. Nevertheless, Davis protected the rights of American socialists on principle, just as the ACLU protected the rights of American Nazis on principle. Davis said he would ally with the “Devil himself” to fight racism!

By the broadest definitions, then, Frank Marshall Davis could be described as “anti-American” or “communist,” but more realistic definitions would exclude him from their scope. “Pro-American” would be a more accurate descriptor, because Davis loved America, and especially the promise of what it could be.


"The first duty of a man is the seeking after and the investigation of truth."
- Cicero (106 BC - 43 BC)