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KILLER_CLOWN
02-16-2011, 10:39 PM
At Clinton Speech: Military and CIA Veteran Bloodied, Bruised and Arrested for Standing Silently

We Must Protest Over There So They Don't Protest Over Here - Red


As Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gave her speech at George Washington University yesterday condemning governments that arrest protestors and do not allow free expression, 71-year-old Ray McGovern was grabbed from the audience in plain view of her by police and an unidentified official in plain clothes, brutalized and left bleeding and in jail. She never paused speaking. When Secretary Clinton began her speech, Mr. McGovern remained standing silently in the audience and turned his back. Mr. McGovern, a veteran Army officer who also worked as a C.I.A. analyst for 27 years, was wearing a Veterans for Peace t-shirt.

Blind-sided by security officers who pounced upon him, Mr. McGovern remarked, as he was hauled out the door, "So this is America?" Mr. McGovern is covered with bruises, lacerations and contusions inflicted in the assault.

Mr. McGovern is being represented by the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF). "It is the ultimate definition of lip service that Secretary of State Clinton would be trumpeting the U.S. government's supposed concerns for free speech rights and this man would be simultaneously brutalized and arrested for engaging in a peaceful act of dissent at her speech," stated attorney Mara Verheyden-Hilliard of the PCJF.

Mr. McGovern now works for Tell the Word, a publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in the Adams Morgan neighborhood of Washington, D.C.

http://www.justiceonline.org/images/content/pagebuilder/13474.jpg

http://redactednews.blogspot.com/2011/02/at-clinton-speech-veteran-bloodied.html

ClevelandBronco
02-16-2011, 10:54 PM
Assuming that the story is accurate, I'd say someone owes him an apology.

Oh. And a stack of taxpayer money.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-16-2011, 11:00 PM
Assuming that the story is accurate, I'd say someone owes him an apology.

Oh. And a stack of taxpayer money.

Only in America could the bolded part happen.


This is from Wikipedia

Raymond McGovern (born 1939) is a retired CIA officer turned political activist. McGovern was a Federal employee under seven U.S. presidents over 27 years, presenting the morning intelligence briefings at the White House for many of them.

McGovern was a mid-level officer in the CIA in the 1960s where his focus was analysis of Soviet policy toward Vietnam. McGovern was one of President Ronald Reagan's intelligence briefers from 1981–85; he was in charge of preparing daily security briefs for Reagan, Vice President George H.W. Bush, the National Security Advisor, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Cabinet. Later, McGovern was one of several senior CIA analysts who prepared the President's Daily Brief (PDB) during the first Bush administration.

Upon retirement, McGovern was awarded the Intelligence Commendation Medal from Bush (which he later returned, see below[1]) and worked for Washington-based non-profits before becoming co-director of the Servant Leadership School in Washington. Now, McGovern works with Tell the Word, the publishing arm of the Church of the Saviour in Washington, D.C.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-16-2011, 11:39 PM
I wonder if this was on the back of his shirt...

http://hillaryclintoncatalog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/hillary_large.jpg

orange
02-17-2011, 01:39 AM
I wonder if this was on the back of his shirt...


No, it was probably this:

http://assets.storenvy.com/product_photos/152921/tshirt_original.jpg

You really should recognize his name.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-17-2011, 06:03 AM
No, it was probably this:

http://assets.storenvy.com/product_photos/152921/tshirt_original.jpg

You really should recognize his name.

Who Mcgovern or Assange?

BucEyedPea
02-17-2011, 07:14 AM
Ray McGovern writes for Justin Raimondo's anti-war.com site along with two other former CIA members, Michael F. Scheuer and Philip Giraldi.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-17-2011, 10:27 AM
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/MED_FirstAmendmentExpressionArea.jpg

Jaric
02-17-2011, 10:29 AM
So I can't help but think there is more to this one way or the other.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-17-2011, 10:33 AM
Here is the link to the original post.

Partnership for Civil Justice website.

http://pepcj.convio.net/site/MessageViewer?em_id=4163.0&dlv_id=7803

chiefsnorth
02-17-2011, 10:56 AM
Pretty limp wristed "protest" if you ask me

KILLER_CLOWN
02-17-2011, 02:08 PM
Pretty limp wristed "protest" if you ask me

Appearantly it was enough to get him beat up.

patteeu
02-17-2011, 02:28 PM
Assuming that the story is accurate, I'd say someone owes him an apology.

Oh. And a stack of taxpayer money.

I would agree, but I'm pretty reluctant to assume the story is accurate.

orange
02-17-2011, 03:05 PM
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Ray-McGovern-Assaulted-Bl-by-Rob-Kall-110217-781.html

Video there. Turn down your volume, a LOUD ad opens up.

The vid picks up late. He's already in the aisle being detained. I would guess that stepping into the aisle while everyone else is seated is going to attract Secret Service attention, if that's what happened.

He also says he didn't see the guys coming. But Ray, your back was to the podium - how could you not see them? Was it that dark?

orange
02-17-2011, 03:10 PM
Who Mcgovern or Assange?

McGovern. He's a fairly well-known anti-war activist. He's been on PrisonPlanet multiple times, for example. And he shared top billing with Daniel Ellsberg at a mass arrest in Washington back in December.

patteeu
02-17-2011, 03:13 PM
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Ray-McGovern-Assaulted-Bl-by-Rob-Kall-110217-781.html

Video there. Turn down your volume, a LOUD ad opens up.

The vid picks up late. He's already in the aisle being detained. I would guess that stepping into the aisle while everyone else is seated is going to attract Secret Service attention, if that's what happened.

He also says he didn't see the guys coming. But Ray, your back was to the podium - how could you not see them? Was it that dark?

Brutalized and left bleeding! I didn't notice it.

BucEyedPea
02-17-2011, 04:06 PM
Ray is a 71 year old retired CIA and briefer to presidents, protested silently standing up with his back turned. That's it? That's his crime?
Jack booted thugs. I read he was badly hurt. They all should have walked out when this happened. Meanwhile Hitlary trumpets U.S. government's concerns for free speech rights while this happens.


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patteeu
02-17-2011, 04:10 PM
Ray is a 71 year old retired CIA and briefer to presidents, protested silently standing up with his back turned. That's it? That's his crime?
Jack booted thugs. I read he was badly hurt. They all should have walked out when this happened.

Ron Paul smokes crack before public appearances.

Now go to some other forum and tell them you read about Ron Paul's drug problem.

go bowe
02-17-2011, 05:01 PM
Ron Paul smokes crack before public appearances.

Now go to some other forum and tell them you read about Ron Paul's drug problem.good advice...

maybe we'll get lucky and she'll like it there... :evil: :evil: :evil:

KILLER_CLOWN
02-17-2011, 09:48 PM
Brutalized and left bleeding! I didn't notice it.

Blind and brainwashed is no way to go through life son.

thecoffeeguy
02-17-2011, 10:09 PM
what a bunch of bullshit

is this what its coming to?

KILLER_CLOWN
02-17-2011, 10:59 PM
McGovern. He's a fairly well-known anti-war activist. He's been on PrisonPlanet multiple times, for example. And he shared top billing with Daniel Ellsberg at a mass arrest in Washington back in December.

Yes i'm well aware of who he is.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-17-2011, 10:59 PM
what a bunch of bullshit

is this what its coming to?

same sh!t different day.

Jaric
02-18-2011, 06:50 AM
I guess I'd like a little bit more information before I start making cries about draconian oppression.

I'm just having a hard time believing that for no reason Hillary Clinton's security detail decided to beat the shit out of an elderly man who was just attending a speech doing nothing.

EDIT: And if that is actually what happened, then heads should roll. I just don't want to jump to conclusions.

BucEyedPea
02-18-2011, 07:03 AM
I guess I'd like a little bit more information before I start making cries about draconian oppression.

I'm just having a hard time believing that for no reason Hillary Clinton's security detail decided to beat the shit out of an elderly man who was just attending a speech doing nothing.

EDIT: And if that is actually what happened, then heads should roll. I just don't want to jump to conclusions.

LOL There's a video.:rolleyes:

patteeu
02-18-2011, 07:10 AM
LOL There's a video.:rolleyes:

A video that shows none of the brutality that was claimed. The guy was escorted out after making a spectacle of himself. Perfectly reasonable.

thecoffeeguy
02-18-2011, 08:17 AM
same sh!t different day.

Imagine what would happen if this was a liberal, or say a muslim. This would be on the front page every where.

But no, because its a conservative who does not agree with this joke of an administration, its buried.

patteeu
02-18-2011, 08:31 AM
Imagine what would happen if this was a liberal, or say a muslim. This would be on the front page every where.

But no, because its a conservative who does not agree with this joke of an administration, its buried.

I think it's buried because it's not real. And McGovern is not a conservative.

thecoffeeguy
02-18-2011, 08:39 AM
I think it's buried because it's not real. And McGovern is not a conservative.

Did not know that.

Not real??

patteeu
02-18-2011, 09:00 AM
Did not know that.

Not real??

The guy was escorted out of the hall and the only force exerted was that which was necessary to overcome his resistance. He wasn't blindsided or handled in any unwarranted manner as far as I can tell from the video posted earlier in the thread by Orange.

fan4ever
02-18-2011, 10:01 AM
It's amazing how something can sound in print and be totally different when seeing visual evidence...

...and he looks like George Carlin, so he's got that going for him.

BucEyedPea
02-18-2011, 10:56 AM
He should have resisted. He did nothing wrong or illegal. WTF? Standing with one's back turned?

orange
02-18-2011, 11:05 AM
http://blogs.gwhatchet.com/newsroom/2011/02/15/clinton-talks-egypt-iran-in-speech-about-internet-freedom/?hp

Clinton’s speech was punctuated once at the beginning when an unidentified elderly man wearing a “Veterans for Peace” T-shirt stood up in the middle of the crowd to turn his back on her, standing silently and staring at the back of the auditorium for several minutes. After not responding when a security officer asked him to sit down, two officers dragged him shouting out of the auditorium.


http://www.wrgwnews.com/2011/02/sec-hillary-clinton-speaks-at-gw.html

Perhaps the most interesting moment of the event in the Jack Morton Auditorium occurred about five minutes into Clinton's speech. A protestor wearing a shirt which read "Veterans for Peace" had been facing the back of the auditorium, where all the news cameras were, standing silently since Clinton's introduction. Two UPD officers approached the man, asking him to leave twice. The man remained silent and did not respond to the UPD officer's request that he leave or be seated. The UPD officers at this point grabbed him by the arm, pulled him to the ground, and dragged him out of the auditorium. The man remained silent the whole time until just before being pulled through the auditorium doors when he screamed, "This is America?"

The protestor was identified by a freelance cameraman as famous peace activist, and former CIA agent, Ray McGovern though no major media outlets, nor WRGW News, have confirmed this.

GW released the following statement on the incident:

"A man, who is not affiliated with the George Washington University, was arrested Tuesday afternoon by the George Washington University Police Department (GWPD) and has been charged with disorderly conduct after disrupting a speech by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton on campus. Shortly after the Secretary began speaking, the man stood up from his seat wearing a shirt with a political message blocking the view of guests and media. When asked by a GWPD officer to leave, the man refused. He was escorted by GWPD out of the building and is in the custody of the Metropolitan Police Department."

BucEyedPea
02-18-2011, 11:25 AM
Oh boy! Such a crime, especially during a free speech speech. So disruptive. The two UPD officers caused more disruption than the protestor. LMAO!

Meanwhile, lefties can throw pies at Ann Coulter when she talks onstage or shout her down.

patteeu
02-18-2011, 11:43 AM
Oh boy! Such a crime, especially during a free speech speech. So disruptive. The two UPD officers caused more disruption than the protestor. LMAO!

Meanwhile, lefties can throw pies at Ann Coulter when she talks onstage or shout her down.

It was disruptive. He was asked to leave or sit down and he refused. He was removed and the disruption came to an end. Seems pretty reasonable to me just like it would be reasonable for campus police to prevent pie throwing or, failing that, apprehend the throwers.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-18-2011, 06:35 PM
It was disruptive. He was asked to leave or sit down and he refused. He was removed and the disruption came to an end. Seems pretty reasonable to me just like it would be reasonable for campus police to prevent pie throwing or, failing that, apprehend the throwers.

So he should have been arrested for not sitting down? How do you know that security "did nothing" after he was off camera?

patteeu
02-18-2011, 07:21 PM
So he should have been arrested for not sitting down? How do you know that security "did nothing" after he was off camera?

Why would he be arrested for not sitting down? How do you know they "did something"? Since the sensationalized account misrepresented the actual removal, I think a dose of skepticism about the rest of the story is warranted.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-18-2011, 07:41 PM
Why would he be arrested for not sitting down? How do you know they "did something"? Since the sensationalized account misrepresented the actual removal, I think a dose of skepticism about the rest of the story is warranted.

Nowhere does it state it happened during removal, could have been off camera. One of the pics is included in the post, the other is at the link. Nevermind the brutality why was he arrested?

patteeu
02-18-2011, 07:52 PM
Nowhere does it state it happened during removal, could have been off camera. One of the pics is included in the post, the other is at the link. Nevermind the brutality why was he arrested?

I presume he was arrested for resisting a lawful order, but we'll have to wait for more details. I'm not about to take [redacted]News' word for it though. Here's a brief account from the Boston Herald:

Jim McGovern arrested in Sudan protest (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/2009_04_28_Jim_McGovern_arrested_in_Sudan_protest/)

By Dave Wedge

U.S. Rep. Jim McGovern spent three hours in a Washington, D.C., jail yesterday after protesting the Darfur genocide outside the Sudanese embassy in a mini-revolt he hopes the president noticed.

“They just sprung me. It was only 3 hours. It wasn’t bad at all,” McGovern told the Herald moments after his release.

It doesn't sound "bad at all" to me.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-18-2011, 08:00 PM
I presume he was arrested for resisting a lawful order, but we'll have to wait for more details. I'm not about to take [redacted]News' word for it though. Here's a brief account from the Boston Herald:

Jim McGovern arrested in Sudan protest

By Dave Wedge

U.S. Rep. Jim McGovern spent three hours in a Washington, D.C., jail yesterday after protesting the Darfur genocide outside the Sudanese embassy in a mini-revolt he hopes the president noticed.

“They just sprung me. It was only 3 hours. It wasn’t bad at all,” McGovern told the Herald moments after his release.

It doesn't sound "bad at all" to me.

nice, don't suppose you noticed this little nugget.

"By Dave Wedge
Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - Added 2 years ago"

Jim Mcgovern?

Also of note the article from redacted news is the same as the original from the Partnership for Civil Justice website

http://pepcj.convio.net/site/MessageViewer?em_id=4163.0&dlv_id=7803

patteeu
02-18-2011, 08:54 PM
nice, don't suppose you noticed this little nugget.

"By Dave Wedge
Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - Added 2 years ago"

Jim Mcgovern?

Also of note the article from redacted news is the same as the original from the Partnership for Civil Justice website

http://pepcj.convio.net/site/MessageViewer?em_id=4163.0&dlv_id=7803

oops

I'll look for something else.

patteeu
02-18-2011, 09:14 PM
I find absolutely nothing about this arrest from any mainstream news source. I know the mainstream media is pretty protective of the Obama administration, but if this guy was really brutalized, it wouldn't go unreported. That and the tame video lead me to call :BS: