Iowa wrestler declines to face female opponent [videos]

[Bill Lundberg]

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2011/02/17/girl-wrestlers-opponent-forfeits-match/

Iowa wrestler declines to face female opponent [videos]


The crowd cheered as Cassy Herkelman’s hand was raised, but the historic moment of the first girl to win a match at the traditional Iowa state wrestling meet comes with an asterisk. Her opponent, Joel Northrup of Linn-Mar of Marion, declined to wrestle her.

YouTube video: Coach talks about historic state tournament moment. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-Mf-TWLE_c&feature=player_embedded)

Northrup did not speak with the media, but did release a written statement:


“I have a tremendous amount of respect for Cassy and Megan (Black, the tournament’s other female entrant) and their accomplishments. However, wrestling is a combat sport and it can get violent at times. As a matter of conscience and my faith, I do not believe that it is appropriate for a boy to engage a girl in this manner. It is unfortunate that I have been placed in a situation not seen in most of the high school sports in Iowa.”

His coach Doug Streicher did not speak with the media after the match.
Linn-Mar Athletic Director Scott Mahmens did speak with the media, and said Northrup’s parents are not at the tournament. Mahmens added that nobody from the school tried to influence Northrup, who is home schooled, to wrestle or not wrestle.

“He’s a Linn-Mar Lion, and we’re going to support what he’s doing,” Mahmens said. “Obviously his beliefs are more important to him (than a chance at a state title).” Alan Beste of the Iowa High School Athletic Association told reporters Herkelman would not make a statement Thursday.

Black did wrestle, losing by fall to Bettendorf’s Logan Ryan of Bettendorf, getting pinned in 52 seconds.
Not sure what to think about this. I respect the kid for sticking to his morals. That said, I also respect the fact that the girl has enough talent to make it to state.

Wonder what the state would do if boys decided to start playing girls... volleyball?

[BigCatDaddy]

He's a scarity cat!

[Bowser]

My daughter plays high school volleyball and club volleyball. Boys are allowed to get teams together in club, but they have to play a year up - i.e. a team of 13 year old boys have to play in the 14 year old bracket.

And good for this kid to decline, if that is truly his belief. It would be somewhat awkward to be wrestling a chick, you would think. And I'm sure that if the girl would have pinned him in 52 seconds, he would never have heard the last of it.

[Bill Lundberg]

Those singlets wouldn't be very good at hiding a chubby... Just sayin'

[tooge]

well, you are allowed to jam your finger up your opponents ass in Iowa IIRC

[Bowser]

Those singlets wouldn't be very good at hiding a chubby... Just sayin'

Heh, then there's that. A teenage boy with a set of boobs or other female parts in his face, rolling around on the ground? Forget it.

[BigCatDaddy]

well, you are allowed to jam your finger up your opponents ass in Iowa IIRC

She would be wide open for the old "Shocker" move.

[KCUnited]

You call that a Fireman's Carry, we call it Second Base where I'm from.

[tooge]

Dammit, I knew I should have tried out for the girls basketball team when I was in high school

[Stinger]

Tough for the kid really a no win situation ..... If he backs out he could be labeled a chicken or sexist, even if he did for the right reasons. If wrestles and wins everyone would be ahhh he fought a girl. And if he loses then well then he becomes the butt of everyone joke, even if the girl wins no one will that say what an accomplishment but just dwell on the loss of the guy.

[seaofred]

Most states have a rule, that girls can play on boys teams if there isn't a girls team for the same sport i.e. basketball. It's the same for boys, if a boy wants to play Volleyball they have to let him.

[Bambi]

quit grandstanding, get in there and fight muthafucker

[Bambi]

Tough for the kid really a no win situation ..... If he backs out he could be labeled a chicken or sexist, even if he did for the right reasons. If wrestles and wins everyone would be ahhh he fought a girl. And if he loses then well then he becomes the butt of everyone joke, even if the girl wins no one will that say what an accomplishment but just dwell on the loss of the guy.

Sounds like she's an accomplished wrestler, there would be no shame in losing

[Bill Lundberg]

The kid was the #5 ranked wrestler in the state. The girl was unranked. He sacrificed a lot to not take this match.

[tooge]

if she is hot, I'd probably wrestle her. So she sticks her finger up my ass, big deal.

[Bill Lundberg]

if she is hot, I'd probably wrestle her. So she sticks her finger up my ass, big deal.

"Hey - Free Oil Check"

[Fish]

Wrestler girl in question....

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5904/4d57344a1bd7fimage65787.jpg

[kstater]

What a pussy.

[Bambi]

here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNAvDEttWZo&feature=player_embedded

[Brock]

I don't blame him. He's in a no win situation.

[tooge]

Wrestler girl in question....

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5904/4d57344a1bd7fimage65787.jpg

Hmm, I'd like to retract my last post

[DBOSHO]

I don't blame him. He's in a no win situation.

This.

[ElGringo]

There were a few girl wrestlers back when I wrestled, and I think my coach put it best. There is no up side to wrestling a girl, if you lose "you lost to a girl" if you win "you beat up a girl". I have no problem with rules and laws allowing women to participate in mens sports, but think this boy did the right thing.

[Thig Lyfe]

Shoulda swept the leg

[Garcia Bronco]

This all sounds like complete nonsense. She shouldn't be allowed to compete in the first place.

[ElGringo]

Most states have a rule, that girls can play on boys teams if there isn't a girls team for the same sport i.e. basketball. It's the same for boys, if a boy wants to play Volleyball they have to let him.

I believe I read an article some time ago about a boy joining a girls volleyball team (which as stated is legal). The problem however is that boys volleyball had different rules (such as net height) and with the boy on the team, they were forced to play with these rules. As such no other team would go against them, creating an unwritten rule saying the boy could not play volleyball.

[Buck]

Girls shouldn't be allowed to compete with boys in Wrestling. WTF

[KCUnited]

Wrestler girl in question....

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5904/4d57344a1bd7fimage65787.jpg

Vision Quést?

[suzzer99]

Girls shouldn't be allowed to compete with boys in Wrestling. WTF

Agreed. But two-man luge might actually be watchable if the one on top was female.

[Jenson71]

That is so ridiculous that they let her wrestle on a high school team. The school should be punished by the Iowa Athletic Association for doing that.

[Jewish Rabbi]

Remember the last time a lower seed from Cedar Falls won in a tournament?

[Mr. Laz]

i don't blame him for not feeling comfortable wrestling a girl.

I have no problem with women competing in men's sports but wrestling is different.

[crazycoffey]

problem; shouldn't be an issue, shouldn't think about getting a boner, losing to a girl, or beating a girl.

It's like the arguments about women in combat, that a woman is somehow less able to hold her own on a wrestling mat or in the battle field. What a crock, be a mature human being, compete the best you can and leave it all out on the mat.

This boy and his coach had a chance to make a stand for mature competition and they instead took the stance that there is something wrong with girls wrestling boys.

[blaise]

problem; shouldn't be an issue, shouldn't think about getting a boner, losing to a girl, or beating a girl.

It's like the arguments about women in combat, that a woman is somehow less able to hold her own on a wrestling mat or in the battle field. What a crock, be a mature human being, compete the best you can and leave it all out on the mat.

This boy and his coach had a chance to make a stand for mature competition and they instead took the stance that there is something wrong with girls wrestling boys.

Maybe he's just against having any kind of physical confrontation with a female in any way. He didn't take a stance that she's doing anything wrong. He took a stance for himself having a physical confrontation with a female. It's not up to him to make a point for the rest of society.

[vailpass]

Sounds like she's an accomplished wrestler, there would be no shame in losing

ROFL The density of dumb or funny, depending on if you are serious, in that post is impressive.

[vailpass]

I don't blame him. He's in a no win situation.

Yep. Would have been good to see him pin her in 5 seconds though and maybe put a damper on this ridiculousness. Kid busts ass his whole life only to be confronted with an unforeseeable obstacle.

[crazycoffey]

Maybe he's just against having any kind of physical confrontation with a female in any way. He didn't take a stance that she's doing anything wrong. He took a stance for himself having a physical confrontation with a female. It's not up to him to make a point for the rest of society.


I wonder if he'd feel the same way approached alone in a dark alley by a female with a knife

[blaise]

I wonder if he'd feel the same way approached alone in a dark alley by a female with a knife

So, if a girl slaps you in a bar can you slap her across her face?

[Brock]

I wonder if he'd feel the same way approached alone in a dark alley by a female with a knife

Yeah, that's relevant. Somehow, I'm sure.

[crazycoffey]

Yep. Would have been good to see him pin her in 5 seconds though and maybe put a damper on this ridiculousness. Kid busts ass his whole life only to be confronted with an unforeseeable obstacle.


but it's only an obstacle because that's how he sees it. One the one hand, it is good to see someone stand for his beliefs, but on the other hand, well - I never liked seeing burning crosses either.

And I'm still trying to be somewhat funny in my posts, lest someone think differently.

[crazycoffey]

See, I knew a brock type would come swooping in and make my points all soooo damn serious.

[vailpass]

but it's only an obstacle because that's how he sees it. One the one hand, it is good to see someone stand for his beliefs, but on the other hand, well - I never liked seeing burning crosses either.

And I'm still trying to be somewhat funny in my posts, lest someone think differently.

Howdy CC,

Growing up in Iowa I saw the importance of the sport and the years of back-breaking hard work and dedication that went into making state champions.
I knew guys in Lisbon, Cedar Rapids, etc. who went on to wrestle for Gable.
Along comes a girl who, whether she wants to be or not, is just a gimmick. Every now and then one might come along but they are not and never will be a part of the sport.

It sucks to think of anyone's years of hard work being degraded by a gimmick.
Although the guys from my time, Alger or Zalesky etc. etc. would probably have just broke that girl into little pieces.

[vailpass]

See, I knew a brock type would come swooping in and make my points all soooo damn serious.

Funny how, like a clown? I'm here to amuse you?LMAO

[kstater]

Howdy CC,

Growing up in Iowa I saw the importance of the sport and the years of back-breaking hard work and dedication that went into making state champions.
I knew guys in Lisbon, Cedar Rapids, etc. who went on to wrestle for Gable.
Along comes a girl who, whether she wants to be or not, is just a gimmick. Every now and then one might come along but they are not and never will be a part of the sport.

It sucks to think of anyone's years of hard work being degraded by a gimmick.
Although the guys from my time, Alger or Zalesky etc. etc. would probably have just broke that girl into little pieces.

You have to qualify for state no? Seems to me she's good enough to make it to the championship tournament.

[Bowser]

You have to qualify for state no? Seems to me she's good enough to make it to the championship tournament.

Exactly. If she is continually getting beat, then you can label her a "gimmick". If she goes out there and holds her own against the best of the boys, she's hardly a gimmick. That being said, I'd probably avoid wrestling her, as well.

[iowachieffan]

if she is hot, I'd probably wrestle her. So she sticks her finger up my ass, big deal.

She is a wreslter that should end the good looking converstaion right there!!!!!

[Radar Chief]

problem; shouldn't be an issue, shouldn't think about getting a boner, losing to a girl, or beating a girl.

It's like the arguments about women in combat, that a woman is somehow less able to hold her own on a wrestling mat or in the battle field. What a crock, be a mature human being, compete the best you can and leave it all out on the mat.

This boy and his coach had a chance to make a stand for mature competition and they instead took the stance that there is something wrong with girls wrestling boys.

Did you wrestle?
How do you go all out and try to slam a chick’s head into the mat?
Maybe you could turn off the fact that she’s a chick and try to violently make her want to quit but I don’t blame the kid for not wanting to go there.

[LaDairis]

Closed minded fool.

Wrestling girls is great fun.

[crazycoffey]

Howdy CC,

Growing up in Iowa I saw the importance of the sport and the years of back-breaking hard work and dedication that went into making state champions.
I knew guys in Lisbon, Cedar Rapids, etc. who went on to wrestle for Gable.
Along comes a girl who, whether she wants to be or not, is just a gimmick. Every now and then one might come along but they are not and never will be a part of the sport.

It sucks to think of anyone's years of hard work being degraded by a gimmick.
Although the guys from my time, Alger or Zalesky etc. etc. would probably have just broke that girl into little pieces.


grew up in mo, wrestled since I was in 2nd grade and even coached high school level wrestling many years. I have seen my boys go against girls, and I even coached one girl in Heidelberg Germany, the daughter of an Army Lt. Col.

And while I see what you are saying about it being "gimmicky" I think that's a very near sighted opinion. I know in this case the girl was putting in more back breaking hours than many of the guys on the squad, because she was very interested in the competition and being the best she could be, despite how easy it was to make fun of a girl for wrestling, or a guy being beat by a girl who put in the work to be a good wrestler.

Sidenote, she was also that year's homecoming queen and a very pretty girl when she dressed up, you wouldn't have guessed that otherwise.

[iowachieffan]

Did you wrestle?
How do you go all out and try to slam a chick’s head into the mat?
Maybe you could turn off the fact that she’s a chick and try to violently make her want to quit but I don’t blame the kid for not wanting to go there.

I did wrestle when I was in high school in Iowa and did make it to state. But I know if I would have had to wrestle a female it would have been really weird.

[Over-Head]

Girls shouldn't be allowed to compete with boys in Wrestling. WTF Vince McMahon hates people like you :shake:

[vailpass]

You have to qualify for state no? Seems to me she's good enough to make it to the championship tournament.

Yeah, I don't want to demean her individual accomplishment. More power to her as an individual, just don't like it for the sport.

[Lemon_Pie]

A girl from Alaska won state once or twice a few years back at 112 or 119. Not a strong wrestling state, but still quite the accomplishment. Texas has it right... The girls wrestle the girls. Our girls wrestled with us in practice but everyone was comfortable with it.... I mean...they're so slow!

[LaDairis]

To make it truly fair, the girl should be given 10% higher weight limit.

Now THAT makes for some fun wrestling...

[vailpass]

grew up in mo, wrestled since I was in 2nd grade and even coached high school level wrestling many years. I have seen my boys go against girls, and I even coached one girl in Heidelberg Germany, the daughter of an Army Lt. Col.

And while I see what you are saying about it being "gimmicky" I think that's a very near sighted opinion. I know in this case the girl was putting in more back breaking hours than many of the guys on the squad, because she was very interested in the competition and being the best she could be, despite how easy it was to make fun of a girl for wrestling, or a guy being beat by a girl who put in the work to be a good wrestler.

Sidenote, she was also that year's homecoming queen and a very pretty girl when she dressed up, you wouldn't have guessed that otherwise.

All good, we'll have to agree that we view the sport from different angles on this one.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Howdy CC,

Growing up in Iowa I saw the importance of the sport and the years of back-breaking hard work and dedication that went into making state champions.
I knew guys in Lisbon, Cedar Rapids, etc. who went on to wrestle for Gable.
Along comes a girl who, whether she wants to be or not, is just a gimmick. Every now and then one might come along but they are not and never will be a part of the sport.

It sucks to think of anyone's years of hard work being degraded by a gimmick.
Although the guys from my time, Alger or Zalesky etc. etc. would probably have just broke that girl into little pieces.She QUALIFIED for state; she beat boys. How is that a "gimmick?"

I can't quite figure out this dude's "beliefs." He's cool with getting hot and sweaty, groping, balls-in-the-face with a dude (NTTIAWWT) but he can't put his hands on a girl?

[jd1020]

I wouldn't have wrestled her either. I wouldnt have been able to give 100%. There are some sports where females and males do not, and should not, coexist.

[crazycoffey]

She QUALIFIED for state; she beat boys. How is that a "gimmick?"

I can't quite figure out this dude's "beliefs." He's cool with getting hot and sweaty, groping, balls-in-the-face with a dude (NTTIAWWT) but he can't put his hands on a girl?


holy shit, hell's freezing over...

[Pitt Gorilla]

holy shit, hell's freezing over...Yeah, I know dude. Love me some Crazy Coffey! :thumb:

[Graystoke]

Howdy CC,

Growing up in Iowa I saw the importance of the sport and the years of back-breaking hard work and dedication that went into making state champions.
I knew guys in Lisbon, Cedar Rapids, etc. who went on to wrestle for Gable.
Along comes a girl who, whether she wants to be or not, is just a gimmick. Every now and then one might come along but they are not and never will be a part of the sport.

It sucks to think of anyone's years of hard work being degraded by a gimmick.
Although the guys from my time, Alger or Zalesky etc. etc. would probably have just broke that girl into little pieces.

Being from Cedar Falls, and knowing this young lady I can tell you it is no gimmick. She has work ethic and knows the sport.

[Graystoke]

Remember the last time a lower seed from Cedar Falls won in a tournament?

Haahah yep UNI in the Sweet 16

[iowachieffan]

Haahah yep UNI in the Sweet 16

Proud to say that is where I graduated from!!!!!

[Pitt Gorilla]

Haahah yep UNI in the Sweet 16ESPN classic on March 1, if you're interested.

BTW, great to see another CF-ian on CP.

[Jewish Rabbi]

ESPN classic on March 1, if you're interested.

BTW, great to see another CF-ian on CP.

There's at least 5 people on here that I know of from the CedarLoo area.

[rad]

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[vailpass]

There's at least 5 people on here that I know of from the CedarLoo area.

None of whom can hold a candle to the wiles and guile of the lovely Ms. Katipan.

[vailpass]

Proud to say that is where I graduated from!!!!!

Here's how old I am: I went to Darrell Mudra's football camp as a high schooler. And the UNI dome still smelled a little new.

[Chiefs Rool]

I wouldn't want to wrestle a female (outside of the bedroom, you know what I mean). But because if you accidently grab her boob you can expect a lot of heat to come from that.

[Bill Lundberg]

Quote from a friend of mine who's son wrestled a girl this year:

_____wrestled a girl this year. Pinned her in 23 seconds. I said you did that fast. He Said yes but I still copped a feel before I stuck her mom. LOL!!

[Iowanian]

I remember the coach, we was older than me but was either a champ a couple of times or made the finals, I think from Strawberry point. There were brothers who were all tough.

The kid gave up a lot to make that statement.

Wrestling a girl is definitely a no-win situation. I've been at tournaments where large portions of crowds cheered against a kid because he was wrestling a girl...or chastised a boy for being too rough on a girl, even though he'd have not been judged for the same level of violence on another boy. If you win, you're supposed to.....if you lose.....the boy who took 3rd and didn't beat a girl to go to state will probably never live that down.

That said, if she is tough enough, disciplined enough and good enough to qualify...good luck to her. no one comes home from state wrestling without bruises and gouges and cuts...it's brutal up there.

I know the ref in the video...he's great and was a staple in our conference and still is.

[Graystoke]

Here's how old I am: I went to Darrell Mudra's football camp as a high schooler.

Holy Sh*t you are old...was that a Single Wing Aldrich camp?

[vailpass]

Holy Sh*t you are old...was that a Single Wing Aldrich camp?

LMAO

[iowachieffan]

Here's how old I am: I went to Darrell Mudra's football camp as a high schooler. And the UNI dome still smelled a little new.

Here how old I am when I was a freshmen they broke ground on the McCloud center :p

And I was at this game also was in attendence for the UNI Kansas game

[alnorth]

I read a bit about this, apparently this girl is no "gimmick". She's probably not going to win the state tournament, but she had a record of 20-13 this season before this forfeit victory. She legitimately qualified.


http://wcfcourier.com/sports/high-school/cf_tigers/article_dab8a024-3707-11e0-83f1-001cc4c03286.html (http://wcfcourier.com/sports/high-school/cf_tigers/article_dab8a024-3707-11e0-83f1-001cc4c03286.html)

Article talks about the matches she had to win to qualify for state. First pinned a boy in about 3.5 minutes, then lost a match, then pinned another boy (who had beaten her twice previously) in just a minute and a half before winning her last match on points.

I've got no problem with her competing. If there's shame in losing to her, then there's about a dozen living with that shame. So what if she's a girl, if he didn't want to take on what should have been a match where he'd be favored, then he doesn't deserve to be in the tournament.

[Valiant]

I believe I read an article some time ago about a boy joining a girls volleyball team (which as stated is legal). The problem however is that boys volleyball had different rules (such as net height) and with the boy on the team, they were forced to play with these rules. As such no other team would go against them, creating an unwritten rule saying the boy could not play volleyball.

Shit I would ride that rule to state title then..

The thing I hate the most is tennis.. girls get 2outof3 on all levels... they need to make it equal to the guys..

[Dave Lane]

I did wrestle when I was in high school in Iowa and did make it to state. But I know if I would have had to wrestle a female it would have been really weird.

I did too but in Missouri. Though I did take on females in judo in my late 20's and other than one squirting on me I never had a problem doing it.

[Bambi]

ROFL The density of dumb or funny, depending on if you are serious, in that post is impressive.

I was being serious.

She qualified for the state tournament.

The density of dumbness lies with you my friend.

[Bambi]

I read a bit about this, apparently this girl is no "gimmick". She's probably not going to win the state tournament, but she had a record of 20-13 this season before this forfeit victory. She legitimately qualified.


http://wcfcourier.com/sports/high-school/cf_tigers/article_dab8a024-3707-11e0-83f1-001cc4c03286.html (http://wcfcourier.com/sports/high-school/cf_tigers/article_dab8a024-3707-11e0-83f1-001cc4c03286.html)

Article talks about the matches she had to win to qualify for state. First pinned a boy in about 3.5 minutes, then lost a match, then pinned another boy (who had beaten her twice previously) in just a minute and a half before winning her last match on points.

I've got no problem with her competing. If there's shame in losing to her, then there's about a dozen living with that shame. So what if she's a girl, if he didn't want to take on what should have been a match where he'd be favored, then he doesn't deserve to be in the tournament.

She could probably kick the asses of half the fat fucks on this board.

[Valiant]

I did too but in Missouri. Though I did take on females in judo in my late 20's and other than one squirting on me I never had a problem doing it.

Is there some other sort of squirting? Or only the one I am thinking of.. if not, ahahhahahah.. she must of been embarassed..

[Iowanian]

She could probably kick the asses of half the fat ****s on this board.

Would you wash your fancy sparkle-barbi jeans if she beat the shit out of you?

[Bambi]

Would you wash your fancy sparkle-barbi jeans if she beat the shit out of you?

If I got in a wrestling match with jeans on I would probably get them washed (dry clean obviously).

[CrazyPhuD]

Maybe he's just against having any kind of physical confrontation with a female in any way. He didn't take a stance that she's doing anything wrong. He took a stance for himself having a physical confrontation with a female. It's not up to him to make a point for the rest of society.

And in doing so he demonstrated that he has absolutely no respect for women in pretty much any fashion that counts.

[Bill Lundberg]

And in doing so he demonstrated that he has absolutely no respect for women in pretty much any fashion that counts.

That makes no sense whatsoever

[blaise]

And in doing so he demonstrated that he has absolutely no respect for women in pretty much any fashion that counts.

No, he didn't. The only fashion that counts is on a wrestling mat? He said in his statement that he respects her as a wrestler. He didn't ask her to forfeit. He didn't say she shouldn't be allowed to compete.
Everybody has a line they draw, even you I bet. Would you say that men and women should share the same locker room at the high school? If a religion stated that it's members were not allowed to have physical contact with members of the opposite sex prior to marriage, would you say that's disrespecting the opposite sex? He referenced his beliefs in his statement, how do you know what his beliefs are? His line is obviously different that yours, but it doesn't seem to me that his refusal to wrestle a girl disrespects the entire sex in any fashion that counts. That's kind of over the top.

[CrazyPhuD]

Maybe he's just against having any kind of physical confrontation with a female in any way. He didn't take a stance that she's doing anything wrong. He took a stance for himself having a physical confrontation with a female. It's not up to him to make a point for the rest of society.

And in doing so he demonstrated that he has absolutely no respect for women in pretty much any fashion that counts.

Sorry this argument is 110% bullshit. There's a difference between a guy beating up a women and competing with them. Frankly he has demonstrated with his actions that he does not feel that women can be equal to men.

There are no exceptions equal is equal or it's not. If he respected her he would have respected her desire to compete even while at a significant physical disadvantage regardless of his own feelings. What he demonstrated is that he doesn't respect her.

For those who say it's a now win situation, grow up and act like your are not five. I mean afterall when does it become ok to lose to a woman? Only physical contests are not ok? Or are you not allowed to lose to a woman in business either. Those of you who have wrestled should know that wrestling is not just about strength and speed. It's very much about skill. Consider the skill it takes to win when you're going to be behind in strength and speed in most every contest.

To me there is very little that's different between the man who beats his wife and the man who refuses to compete against a woman because she's a woman. Neither repects women.

[CrazyPhuD]

That makes no sense whatsoever

Sorry phone submitted before I was done through. The pita of writing on a phone.

[blaise]

And in doing so he demonstrated that he has absolutely no respect for women in pretty much any fashion that counts.

Sorry this argument is 110% bullshit. There's a difference between a guy beating up a women and competing with them. Frankly he has demonstrated with his actions that he does not feel that women can be equal to men.

There are no exceptions equal is equal or it's not. If he respected her he would have respected her desire to compete even while at a significant physical disadvantage regardless of his own feelings. What he demonstrated is that he doesn't respect her.

For those who say it's a now win situation, grow up and act like your are not five. I mean afterall when does it become ok to lose to a woman? Only physical contests are not ok? Or are you not allowed to lose to a woman in business either. Those of you who have wrestled should know that wrestling is not just about strength and speed. It's very much about skill. Consider the skill it takes to win when you're going to be behind in strength and speed in most every contest.

To me there is very little that's different between the man who beats his wife and the man who refuses to compete against a woman because she's a woman. Neither repects women.

Good, let's make all the restrooms unisex at high schools.
And all the public restrooms unisex.

Yeah, this kid is basically like a woman beater because he respectfully withdrew.

That's silly.

And let me add that you have absolutely no idea what his motives were, do you? Have you met him? Know much about his family? Know what kind of religion they practice? Any of that, or are you just happy to liken him to a woman beater?

[CrazyPhuD]

No, he didn't. The only fashion that counts is on a wrestling mat? He said in his statement that he respects her as a wrestler. He didn't ask her to forfeit. He didn't say she shouldn't be allowed to compete.
Everybody has a line they draw, even you I bet. Would you say that men and women should share the same locker room at the high school? If a religion stated that it's members were not allowed to have physical contact with members of the opposite sex prior to marriage, would you say that's disrespecting the opposite sex? He referenced his beliefs in his statement, how do you know what his beliefs are? His line is obviously different that yours, but it doesn't seem to me that his refusal to wrestle a girl disrespects the entire sex in any fashion that counts. That's kind of over the top.

It make no difference what he says views are people often lie and worst often they lie to themselves which is the greatest sin. His actions speak volumes. If he respected her as a wrestler, he would have wrestled her AS a wrestler, instead he treated her like a woman. Doesn't matter what he says that's irrelevant. Guage him always by his actions. Words lie peoples actions rarely do.

As to should men and women share a locker room? Well they do as a kid why should it be any different as an adult? Because we say something is wrong about it or we just don't believe people are ever capable of controlling themselves.

As for religion, most if not all religions were ok with people owning slaves at some point. Does that ever make it right?

As for the res I've said my piece I doubt I'll come back to this thread. You either get my point or you don't. I'm not going to spend more time debating it.

[Just Passin' By]

And in doing so he demonstrated that he has absolutely no respect for women in pretty much any fashion that counts.

Sorry this argument is 110% bullshit. There's a difference between a guy beating up a women and competing with them. Frankly he has demonstrated with his actions that he does not feel that women can be equal to men.

There are no exceptions equal is equal or it's not. If he respected her he would have respected her desire to compete even while at a significant physical disadvantage regardless of his own feelings. What he demonstrated is that he doesn't respect her.

For those who say it's a now win situation, grow up and act like your are not five. I mean afterall when does it become ok to lose to a woman? Only physical contests are not ok? Or are you not allowed to lose to a woman in business either. Those of you who have wrestled should know that wrestling is not just about strength and speed. It's very much about skill. Consider the skill it takes to win when you're going to be behind in strength and speed in most every contest.

To me there is very little that's different between the man who beats his wife and the man who refuses to compete against a woman because she's a woman. Neither repects women.

Your position is idiotic.

[Jaric]

And in doing so he demonstrated that he has absolutely no respect for women in pretty much any fashion that counts.

Sorry this argument is 110% bullshit. There's a difference between a guy beating up a women and competing with them. Frankly he has demonstrated with his actions that he does not feel that women can be equal to men.

There are no exceptions equal is equal or it's not. If he respected her he would have respected her desire to compete even while at a significant physical disadvantage regardless of his own feelings. What he demonstrated is that he doesn't respect her.

For those who say it's a now win situation, grow up and act like your are not five. I mean afterall when does it become ok to lose to a woman? Only physical contests are not ok? Or are you not allowed to lose to a woman in business either. Those of you who have wrestled should know that wrestling is not just about strength and speed. It's very much about skill. Consider the skill it takes to win when you're going to be behind in strength and speed in most every contest.

To me there is very little that's different between the man who beats his wife and the man who refuses to compete against a woman because she's a woman. Neither repects women.
Have you ever wrestled?

I have. I was also brought up (like I assume most of the men on this forum here) that you don't get physical with a woman (aside from the obvious of course)

There is no way I would ever do 90% of the wrestling moves we practiced to a female in any sort of competetive fashion.

To say this young man is no different than a wife beater is asinine. He did what he felt was right and did in a much more dignified fashion than I would expect from a young man his age.

[blaise]

It make no difference what he says views are people often lie and worst often they lie to themselves which is the greatest sin. His actions speak volumes. If he respected her as a wrestler, he would have wrestled her AS a wrestler, instead he treated her like a woman. Doesn't matter what he says that's irrelevant. Guage him always by his actions. Words lie peoples actions rarely do.

As to should men and women share a locker room? Well they do as a kid why should it be any different as an adult? Because we say something is wrong about it or we just don't believe people are ever capable of controlling themselves.

As for religion, most if not all religions were ok with people owning slaves at some point. Does that ever make it right?

As for the res I've said my piece I doubt I'll come back to this thread. You either get my point or you don't. I'm not going to spend more time debating it.


So you're saying restrooms should be unisex? By your logic, unless people believe that they'e practically women beaters.

[Bill Lundberg]

He did what he felt was right and did in a much more dignified fashion than I would expect from a young man his age.

That's what stands out the most to me. This kid wasn't in it to make a name for himself or bring attention to himself. If he were he would have been all over the news with it by now.

Instead, he simply releases a statement which is respectful to the female wrestler and leaves it at that.

I'm hoping he wrestles back to take 3rd place. Looks like he won his 2nd round match 9-0.

ETA: Looks like a kid from right near my home town gets to wrestle the girl in round 2.

[blaise]

The girl's family said they respect his position and beliefs, by the way.

[Lzen]

It make no difference what he says views are people often lie and worst often they lie to themselves which is the greatest sin. His actions speak volumes. If he respected her as a wrestler, he would have wrestled her AS a wrestler, instead he treated her like a woman. Doesn't matter what he says that's irrelevant. Guage him always by his actions. Words lie peoples actions rarely do.

As to should men and women share a locker room? Well they do as a kid why should it be any different as an adult? Because we say something is wrong about it or we just don't believe people are ever capable of controlling themselves.

As for religion, most if not all religions were ok with people owning slaves at some point. Does that ever make it right?

As for the res I've said my piece I doubt I'll come back to this thread. You either get my point or you don't. I'm not going to spend more time debating it.

What an incredibly ignorant post. :rolleyes:

[crazycoffey]

SI included her in a Faces in the crowd article last year;


Cassandra Herkelman
CEDAR FALLS, IOWA > Wrestling
Cassandra, an eighth-grader at Peet Junior High, won the 105-pound class in the middle school division at the U.S. Girls' Wrestling Association national championships on April 4. The week before, she won at 103 pounds in the 6th- to 8th-grade division at the Girls Folkstyle Nationals. She was Iowa's 105-pound middle school champion in 2010 and 111-pound titlist in '09.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/scorecard/faces/2010/05/03/#ixzz1EG1BrO8Q

[vailpass]

And in doing so he demonstrated that he has absolutely no respect for women in pretty much any fashion that counts.

I'm sure he appreciates your judging him and in so doing completely negating his religious beliefs. Do you deny the possibility that he did what he did because in his value system he was showing respect for women?

[Hoover]

So a buddy of mine was a big time wrestler. Won three state titles in high school, won a NCAA championship in college, and then coached a team to a NCAA championship. I asked him if he would have wrestled this girl and he said if my goal was to be a champion, I would have kicked her ass.

[Royal Fanatic]

problem; shouldn't be an issue, shouldn't think about getting a boner, losing to a girl, or beating a girl.

It's like the arguments about women in combat, that a woman is somehow less able to hold her own on a wrestling mat or in the battle field. What a crock, be a mature human being, compete the best you can and leave it all out on the mat.

This boy and his coach had a chance to make a stand for mature competition and they instead took the stance that there is something wrong with girls wrestling boys.
You are stating your opinion as if it were a fact.

[vailpass]

So a buddy of mine was a big time wrestler. Won three state titles in high school, won a NCAA championship in college, and then coached a team to a NCAA championship. I asked him if he would have wrestled this girl and he said if my goal was to be a champion, I would have kicked her ass.

Sounds about right. It's this kid's religion/personal values that kept him from throwing her around, not his will to win.

[blaise]

I read he may actually get paired up with her again. Since he has a loss and she has one too (I guess) they could be paired up in a sort of losers bracket.

[Royal Fanatic]

To me there is very little that's different between the man who beats his wife and the man who refuses to compete against a woman because she's a woman. Neither repects women.
Every now and then people make stupid statements on this forum, but very few rise to this level of idiocy.

[ChiefsCountry]

Does Iowa have wrestlebacks in the state tournament? Where you could lose your first round match and work your way back in.

[Bill Lundberg]

Does Iowa have wrestlebacks in the state tournament? Where you could lose your first round match and work your way back in.

Yes - he already won his 2nd round match 9-0

[alnorth]

Yes - he already won his 2nd round match 9-0

no, he's out for the championship. He's now competing for 3rd.

[alnorth]

I read he may actually get paired up with her again. Since he has a loss and she has one too (I guess) they could be paired up in a sort of losers bracket.

I looked at the bracket, she'd have to win today and lose the next match for that to happen, assuming he won out.

[Bill Lundberg]

no, he's out for the championship. He's now competing for 3rd.

Right, that's what I meant. There's no way to lose and still win 1st.

[Rams Fan]

To me there is very little that's different between the man who beats his wife and the man who refuses to compete against a woman because she's a woman. Neither repects women.

:spock: So, do you think women should play in the NFL against 300 pound something men?

[alnorth]

:spock: So, do you think women should play in the NFL against 300 pound something men?

sure, if one was qualified.

[Rams Fan]

sure, if one was qualified.

I wouldn't have a problem with it, but I would have a problem with a 150 pound woman having to play against a 300 pound lineman.

[alnorth]

I wouldn't have a problem with it, but I would have a problem with a 150 pound woman having to play against a 300 pound lineman.

I assume you are also terrified for the welfare of small male kickers, too? I wasn't aware that there was a weight limit. All who want to play, regardless of whether they are among the 32 best in the world at their position or not, must be over 220 pounds to apply?

[Chiefaholic]

I wrestled in high school and no way in hell would I have let either of my daughters join the wrestling team. Some moves would be way too damn personal for a boy to do to a girl, not to mention pretty violent. A fireman's throw (as an example) would be grabbing the opponent's elbow with one hand, shooting in and placing the other hand between the legs (open hand on the ass), then throwing the opponent across your shoulders and slamming them down on the mat on their backs. To pin the opponent, you'de be chest to chest with their far arm in an arm bar. Far too personal and far too violent for girls in boys sports. If the state is afraid of a lawsuit, then start girls wrestling just like they do with basketball.

[Rams Fan]

I assume you are also terrified for the welfare of small male kickers, too? I wasn't aware that there was a weight limit. All who want to play, regardless of whether they are among the 30 best in the world at their position or not, must be over 220 pounds to apply?

It's not that. I'd be glad if a woman played in the NFL, but I doubt it happens.

[alnorth]

If the state is afraid of a lawsuit, then start girls wrestling just like they do with basketball.

The problem is likely lack of interest. If there were plenty of girls who wanted to wrestle, fine. If there isn't and you have a girl with the ability to compete against boys, fine. As long as she understands she could get hurt, I'm not going to tell her to pick a different sport. Everyone she goes up against is going to be a little bitty 110-120-ish pound wrestler anyway, so whatever.

[Chiefaholic]

There's no way to sugarcoat it with your womens rights bullcrap. The moves done on the wrestling mat would get your ass thrown in jail and on the sexual predators list off the mat.

[Fish]

You'd want your daughter getting one of these?

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/6489/unsportsmanlikewrestlin.jpg

[RaiderH8r]

I had to wrestle a chick in high school (and I was in the 171 weight class so...yikes). I absolutely crushed her, winning by technical fall. I'd shoot, cross face, I'd put her on her back and hop off before the ref could call it to get exposure. I'd let her get a take down or cut her loose on an escape to give her points to drag it out. She was bawling when we were done with it all. I was booed but like I told her throughout the match, this is how wrestling works. I'm offended anybody would step onto the mat with me and it was my intention every time out to destroy, embarass, and crush the spirit of any opponent I faced and she was going to be no different. Yeah, I rubbed it in a bit more but f her for even thinking she could run with me.

[alnorth]

There's no way to sugarcoat it with your womens rights bullcrap. The moves done on the wrestling mat would get your ass thrown in jail and on the sexual predators list off the mat.

Who are you to tell someone they cant try to wrestle, especially when there is not a girl's wrestling option and not enough interest to start one up?

If she gets destroyed and has an arm broken, fine. Her fault for either not training enough or getting into something she wasn't able to do, and I won't sympathize any more than I would for some random kid who gets hurt in a sport. If she does well and pins a lot of wrestlers, I'm not going to sympathize with them at all, either. Its a competitive sport. If you don't like the thought of wrestling a girl, then beat the living hell out of her on the mat, if you can.

[Jenson71]

Who are you to tell someone they cant try to wrestle, especially when there is not a girl's wrestling option and not enough interest to start one up?

If she gets destroyed and has an arm broken, fine. Her fault for either not training enough or getting into something she wasn't able to do, and I won't sympathize any more than I would for some random kid who gets hurt in a sport. If she does well and pins a lot of wrestlers, I'm not going to sympathize with them at all, either. Its a competitive sport. If you don't like the thought of wrestling a girl, then beat the living hell out of her on the mat, if you can.

But people don't want their boys to beat the living hell out of girls on the mat.

[alnorth]

But people don't want their boys to beat the living hell out of girls on the mat.

fine. Then those boys can forfeit their matches.

[Over-Head]

You'd want your daughter getting one of these?

What about someones son having HER reverse the over the shoulder toe hold and biting HIS nutz...ever think of that????:mad:

[iowachieffan]

What about someones son having HER reverse the over the shoulder toe hold and biting HIS nutz...ever think of that????:mad:

sounds kinda kinky.....

[RaiderH8r]

But people don't want their boys to beat the living hell out of girls on the mat.

You're right. I was confronted by a number of people after I tossed that girl around like a rag doll. I tried to give her a fighting chance; I'd tell her the move I was going to execute ahead of time. The ref didn't like that...especially when I gave her the 5 point suplay.

[Jenson71]

fine. Then those boys can forfeit their matches.

I don't think they should have to chose in that situation. I think the Iowa High School Athletic Association should be able to discriminate in this situation between all males in certain sports (like wrestling), and all females in other sports (like volleyball).

[alnorth]

I don't think they should have to chose in that situation. I think the Iowa High School Athletic Association should be able to discriminate in this situation between all males in certain sports (like wrestling), and all females in other sports (like volleyball).

I disagree. Apparently 23 others disagreed too this year and had no problem with wrestling her. We shouldn't bend over backwards to make sure that some extremely religious boy doesn't feel uncomfortable by stomping on the opportunities of others. This one kid's discomfort is not enough to ban girls from wrestling, given the lack of interest needed to have a seperate girls wrestling league.

[alnorth]

You're right. I was confronted by a number of people after I tossed that girl around like a rag doll. I tried to give her a fighting chance; I'd tell her the move I was going to execute ahead of time. The ref didn't like that...especially when I gave her the 5 point suplay.

I've got no problem with what you did. This isn't chess, wrestling is a pretty violent sport. If anyone, boy or girl, can't handle it, they have no one else to blame if they get thrown around a bit.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Sounds about right. It's this kid's religion/personal values that kept him from throwing her around, not his will to win.I still don't get that. His "religion" allows him to fondle a dude's business but not a girl's? Really? Nobody is buying that.

BTW, I still don't see how this girl (who qualified) could be considered a gimmick.

[Jenson71]

I disagree. Apparently 23 others disagreed too this year and had no problem with wrestling her. We shouldn't bend over backwards to make sure that some extremely religious boy doesn't feel uncomfortable by stomping on the opportunities of others. This one kid's discomfort is not enough to ban girls from wrestling, given the lack of interest needed to have a seperate girls wrestling league.

I bet there's more than just this one kid uncomfortable with the idea of girls wrestling boys. I bet most people are uncomfortable with it. It's enough to ban girls from high school wrestling, in my opinion.

[alnorth]

I bet there's more than just this one kid uncomfortable with the idea of girls wrestling boys. I bet most people are uncomfortable with it. It's enough to ban girls from high school wrestling, in my opinion.

well, fortunately our opinion doesn't control here, and these rules will not change, barring enough interest for a seperate competition.

[Jenson71]

well, fortunately our opinion doesn't control here, and these rules will not change, barring enough interest for a seperate competition.

So how do you feel about boys going out for girl's volleyball?

[Chiefaholic]

Who are you to tell someone they cant try to wrestle, especially when there is not a girl's wrestling option and not enough interest to start one up?

If she gets destroyed and has an arm broken, fine. Her fault for either not training enough or getting into something she wasn't able to do, and I won't sympathize any more than I would for some random kid who gets hurt in a sport. If she does well and pins a lot of wrestlers, I'm not going to sympathize with them at all, either. Its a competitive sport. If you don't like the thought of wrestling a girl, then beat the living hell out of her on the mat, if you can.

How old are you? It's pretty damn obvious you don't have a daughter. If so, then I guess you wouldn't have a problem with your little girl getting on the mat and getting EXTREMELY touchy feeley with random guys you don't know.

[alnorth]

So how do you feel about boys going out for girl's volleyball?

fine. If there's no boy's volleyball and he's any good, that school lucks out.

Aside from that, its also an olympic sport. It would be nice if more boys competed so we'd have some sort of a chance to get medals in anything on the men's side other beach volleyball. I guess we won in 2008, but in 1996, 2000, and 2004 we were skunked because boys don't play volleyball.

[Chiefaholic]

You're right. I was confronted by a number of people after I tossed that girl around like a rag doll. I tried to give her a fighting chance; I'd tell her the move I was going to execute ahead of time. The ref didn't like that...especially when I gave her the 5 point suplay.

I call bullshit... Anybody who's even remotely trained could easily counter if they knew what was coming. That's why I always tried to watch my next opponent in tournaments to find patterns and what moves to expect.

[alnorth]

How old are you? It's pretty damn obvious you don't have a daughter. If so, then I guess you wouldn't have a problem with your little girl getting on the mat and getting EXTREMELY touchy feeley with random guys you don't know.

ie, "I have run out of arguments, so I'm going to yell about how icky I think this is".

Most girls have absolutely no interest at all in this, so I don't see why you are getting worked up over it. Its not like there's an epidemic of girls wanting to compete. For the very few who want to and who have some skill, then who the hell are you to say no, especially when you've likely never met and never will meet them?

[Jenson71]

fine. If there's no boy's volleyball and he's any good, that school lucks out.

Aside from that, its also an olympic sport. It would be nice if more boys competed so we'd have some sort of a chance to get medals in anything on the men's side other beach volleyball. I guess we won in 2008, but in 2000 and 2004 we were skunked because boys don't play volleyball.

Female wrestling is also an Olympic sport. There's so many good reasons to separate boys and girls in sports. If a girl loves wrestling, she can either recruit other girls to wrestle with her or just train for a larger environment like the Olympics. The whole state shouldn't be put in this position of high school girls wrestling high school boys.

[Chiefaholic]

I disagree. Apparently 23 others disagreed too this year and had no problem with wrestling her. We shouldn't bend over backwards to make sure that some extremely religious boy doesn't feel uncomfortable by stomping on the opportunities of others. This one kid's discomfort is not enough to ban girls from wrestling, given the lack of interest needed to have a seperate girls wrestling league.

How many of those 23 wins were forfeits? A forfeit counts in the win column just the same as a pin, win by points, or opponent showing overweight.

[alnorth]

If a girl loves wrestling, she can either recruit other girls to wrestle with her or just train for a larger environment like the Olympics.

Yeah, right. And if she's lower-middle class how the hell is she going to do that, and get enough meaningful experience to improve to that level? Which jet does she borrow to fly to tournaments, and which bank account does she use to publicize and start a new sport?

This doesn't involve you directly, the people running the sport are fine with it, and most of the competitors are fine with it. (at least enough to play on)

There's no problem here that needs to be solved.

[Jenson71]

Yeah, right. And if she's lower-middle class how the hell is she going to do that, and get enough meaningful experience to improve to that level? Which jet does she borrow to fly to tournaments, and which bank account does she use to publicize and start a new sport?

This doesn't involve you directly, the people running the sport are fine with it, and most of the competitors are fine with it. (at least enough to play on)

There's no problem here that needs to be solved.

I'll admit that I'm assuming most people are uncomfortable with it or dislike it.

[alnorth]

How many of those 23 wins were forfeits? A forfeit counts in the win column just the same as a pin, win by points, or opponent showing overweight.

I can't find it, but I did remember reading a story mention it was her first forfeit. Her last four matches to qualify for state (two of whom she won by pin) didn't forfeit. Apparently the other girl who qualified and lost out today was scheduled to wrestle this same kid in some other competition, but he forfeited to her too for her only forfeit. So, its probably just this kid.

Regular high school kids aren't going to forfeit to a girl, that really doesn't look good at all. I cant imagine the hell he'd catch in class from just giving up like that. You'd have to be a very religious kid who is carefully sheltered from schoolyard taunting in a home school with a preacher parent telling you its wrong.

[Chiefaholic]

ie, "I have run out of arguments, so I'm going to yell about how icky I think this is".

Most girls have absolutely no interest at all in this, so I don't see why you are getting worked up over it. Its not like there's an epidemic of girls wanting to compete. For the very few who want to and who have some skill, then who the hell are you to say no, especially when you've likely never met and never will meet them?

Your arguement holds no merit. Most men (excluding internet tuff guys like yourself) were raised with morals about how to treat a lady. Wrestling is a fast paced act and react sport. First guy to make the slightest mistake loses 90% of the time. A NORMAL guy going against a girl will be hesitant to react to a move if it means his hand is in her crotch, ass, or tits.

If you were raised w/o morals, then I'm wasting my time responding to your posts.

[alnorth]

I'll admit that I'm assuming most people are uncomfortable with it or dislike it.

For what its worth, if it turns out that next years there's plenty of girls in Iowa who want to wrestle, then I agree they should have a seperate league.

Not necessarily because they can't wrestle boys, but because it would be a better competition for them. As it is, there seems to be no option in this state.

[Jenson71]

I can't find it, but I did remember reading a story mention it was her first forfeit. Her last four matches to qualify for state (two of whom she won by pin) didn't forfeit. Apparently the other girl who qualified and lost out today was scheduled to wrestle this same kid in some other competition, but he forfeited to her too for her only forfeit. So, its probably just this kid.

Regular high school kids aren't going to forfeit to a girl, that really doesn't look good at all. I cant imagine the hell he'd catch in class from just giving up like that. You'd have to be a very religious kid who is carefully sheltered from schoolyard taunting in a home school with a preacher parent telling you its wrong.

I read he's home schooled.

[alnorth]

Your arguement holds no merit. Most men (excluding internet tuff guys like yourself) were raised with morals about how to treat a lady. Wrestling is a fast paced act and react sport. First guy to make the slightest mistake loses 90% of the time. A NORMAL guy going against a girl will be hesitant to react to a move if it means his hand is in her crotch, ass, or tits.

If you were raised w/o morals, then I'm wasting my time responding to your posts.

If you are THAT obsessed and hung up about sex, then that is your problem and there was something wrong with your upbringing, not my problem. Its an athletic competition between kids who are far too small to do much damage here. Its not like we're talking about some chick going into a cage against Cain Velasquez.

[alnorth]

I read he's home schooled.

yeah, thats why i said home schooled

[Chiefaholic]

For what its worth, if it turns out that next years there's plenty of girls in Iowa who want to wrestle, then I agree they should have a seperate league.

Not necessarily because they can't wrestle boys, but because it would be a better competition for them. As it is, there seems to be no option in this state.

Best of luck to them... I'm not knocking the abilities of the little lady. She's obviously very good to beat members of the opposite sex. However, she'de be better off wrestling against her equals.

[Chiefaholic]

If you are THAT obsessed and hung up about sex, then that is your problem and there was something wrong with your upbringing, not my problem. Its an athletic competition between kids who are far too small to do much damage here. Its not like we're talking about some chick going into a cage against Cain Velasquez.

That statement there tells me you didn't wrestle in high school. I've seen multiple broken arms, ribs, and concussions (one kid twice in the same season). I was fortunate to only fracture a thumb in the four years I wrestled.

[alnorth]

That statement there tells me you didn't wrestle in high school. I've seen multiple broken arms, ribs, and concussions (one kid twice in the same season). I was fortunate to only fracture a thumb in the four years I wrestled.

true, and if she gets an arm broken tomorrow, I'm fine with that.

Its not like she was given a sponser's exemption to play in a PGA tourny, she legitimately won her way to state, so she should know what she's doing out there.

On a side note, the other girl who lost out today is arguably a better wrestler than the girl who made the news. (I guess she had 25 wins?) I was reading some comments from people who follow Iowa wrestling a hell of a lot more than I ever would, and according to them this Cassy girl was a mediocre wrestler this season. Not bad, but not good either, won about as many as she lost. She just got really hot and won a bunch of matches during qualifications when it counted.

So, in NCAA basketball terms, the other girl was the decent mid-major who lost, and this girl was one of those flukey .500 teams that miraculously won a conference tournament to get the chance to get blown out by Duke. (except Duke forfeits the match, so yeah the analogy is weird)

[Pitt Gorilla]

Your arguement holds no merit. Most men (excluding internet tuff guys like yourself) were raised with morals about how to treat a lady. Wrestling is a fast paced act and react sport. First guy to make the slightest mistake loses 90% of the time. A NORMAL guy going against a girl will be hesitant to react to a move if it means his hand is in her crotch, ass, or tits.

If you were raised w/o morals, then I'm wasting my time responding to your posts.What do your morals say about fondling another dude or having his balls in your face? I mean, if we're going to bring morals into the equation, I'm not sure we should exclude what's going on between two dudes.

[Chiefaholic]

What do your morals say about fondling another dude or having his balls in your face? I mean, if we're going to bring morals into the equation, I'm not sure we should exclude what's going on between two dudes.

Which move puts the opponents balls in your face? In four years of wrestling, that never happened. And YOU might be the guy fondeling another dude's ballsack, but it wasn't myself.

Like the other fella, you've never wrestled either... Keep on making assumptions on how the sport works.

[blaise]

I still don't get that. His "religion" allows him to fondle a dude's business but not a girl's? Really? Nobody is buying that.


You keep saying this and it makes very little sense.

[mlyonsd]

I feel sorry for the male wrestler. He should never have been put into that situation.

[LaDairis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqZwGPosqyw




Who has the courage to wrestle her???

[crazycoffey]

You are stating your opinion as if it were a fact.

Welcome to the internet...

[LocoChiefsFan]

The kid was the #5 ranked wrestler in the state. The girl was unranked. He sacrificed a lot to not take this match.

This!! From what I understand, he was raised that any kind of violance toward woman is unacceptable. Since wrestling is a violant sport he couldn't bring himself to wrestle her. His record was like 35-4 for the season, hers was 25-13 something like that. She lost her next two matches by pinfall and was eliminated. He would've beat her. He stuck to his morals. Good for him!!
edit: The one that lost twice by pinfall was the other girl in the tourny.

[Jaric]

That statement there tells me you didn't wrestle in high school. I've seen multiple broken arms, ribs, and concussions (one kid twice in the same season). I was fortunate to only fracture a thumb in the four years I wrestled.

This. I personally broke my collar bone wresting in the 125-130 weight class. Slightly larger than the kids in question, but not by much.

[LiveSteam]

He will regret this opportunity . After he has been married for a few years.

[RaiderH8r]

I call bullshit... Anybody who's even remotely trained could easily counter if they knew what was coming. That's why I always tried to watch my next opponent in tournaments to find patterns and what moves to expect.

Dude, she sucked. I used a head and arm. A head and arm. Those don't work after like 6th grade fer Chrissakes. I had the distinct impression that she hadn't been at wrestling for the 7 years I had been. It was sad but hilarious. I couldn't bring myself to give her the honeymooner.

Also, to be clear, this wasn't at state. I never meant to give that impression. This was at one of those early season "Invitationals" or whatever different people call those tournaments.

[Brock]

What do your morals say about fondling another dude or having his balls in your face? I mean, if we're going to bring morals into the equation, I'm not sure we should exclude what's going on between two dudes.

Is it okay with you if men box with women? Could you understand a man having a moral objection to doing it? Or are you just being purposely obtuse?

[LOCOChief]

You're right. I was confronted by a number of people after I tossed that girl around like a rag doll. I tried to give her a fighting chance; I'd tell her the move I was going to execute ahead of time. The ref didn't like that...especially when I gave her the 5 point suplay.

High school wrestling isn't freestyle and your 5 pt throw (which is actually 4) would've cost you the match.

[RaiderH8r]

High school wrestling isn't freestyle and your 5 pt throw (which is actually 4) would've cost you the match.

You're right, it isn't. I called it a 5 point throw only to illustrate the amplitude of my tossing this broad around. It seemed a lot more direct nomenclature than explaining the full definition and aspects of a 5 point throw.

And why would I call it a 5 point throw? Could it be because I did freestyle AAU wrestling too? Could it be I also did Greco Roman? Yes, yes it could. Which is probably why I kicked the ever loving shit out of her and why she had absolutely no f'ing business getting onto the mat with me. Christ you nitpicking pricks.

And yes, it COULD have cost me the match because it is up to the ref. I received a WARNING. It was only because I didn't slam her and executed the move damn near flawlessly that I didn't get bounced. I didn't do a lift to my full height to bring her down on her head. I executed the maneuver after an effective arm drag and snapped it over quickly and seamlessly. You got anything else Columbo?

[Brianfo]

Moments ago the girl in question lost her quarterfinal match 5-1. She is now moving to the backside and wrestlebacks.

[MOhillbilly]

i would have smashed a female same as a male. You pay to play.

[Bill Lundberg]

The only way the two would pair up again is if they both win out and wrestle for 3rd place.

[Mr. Laz]

Moments ago the girl in question lost her quarterfinal match 5-1. She is now moving to the backside and wrestlebacks.Updated: February 18, 2011, 11:21 AM ET
Girl wrestler loses after milestone win




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<cite class="source"> Associated Press
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DES MOINES, Iowa -- An Iowa high school wrestler who became the first girl ever to win a state tournament match when her opponent refused to compete against her has lost her next match.
Cedar Falls freshman Cassy Herkelman was beaten by Indianola's Matt Victor in their 112-pound quarterfinals match Friday.
Herkelman had a 20-13 record entering the tournament, but was deprived of the chance to show her skills Thursday when her favored opponent defaulted rather than wrestle her. Joel Northrup, a sophomore who competes for Linn-Mar High School, says wrestling a girl would conflict with his religious beliefs.
Herkelman and Ottumwa High School sophomore Megan Black are the first two girls to qualify for the tournament in its 85-year history.
Herkelman will compete in the consolation bracket. Black has been eliminated.

Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press

[Brock]

i would have smashed a female same as a male. You pay to play.

Well, you're a savage.

[alnorth]

Looks like this story is over. Cassy went the distance in her first match today but lost on points 5-1. She then got pinned in the consolation bracket so she's now out.

The boy who defaulted to her is also now out, he lost his match today in the consolation bracket. Neither of them will finish in the top 8.

[RaiderH8r]

Looks like this story is over. Cassy went the distance in her first match today but lost on points 5-1. She then got pinned in the consolation bracket so she's now out.

The boy who defaulted to her is also now out, he lost his match today in the consolation bracket. Neither of them will finish in the top 8.

So they both suck. Excellent. Let's move on to the next moral outrage.

[Bill Lundberg]

She's a Freshman and he's a Sophomore. There's a good chance they will cross paths again over the next 2 years.