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LaDairis
02-22-2011, 06:13 AM
Oh, my oh my, I was so very very scared of the Muslim Brotherhood when the top candidate of the group "Jews for Sarah" told us that the MB would turn Egypt into Afghanistan...


and hence we should support dictator Mubarack instead of democracy, because the 1% of the Egyptian population that is the MB may win a race or two...

Now, the MB is standing up, just like Iran did against Taliban...


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110221/wl_mideast_afp/libyapoliticsunrestfatwa_20110221212046


"Influential Muslim cleric Yusuf al-Qaradawi issued a fatwa on Monday that any Libyan soldier who can shoot dead embattled leader Moamer Kadhafi should do so "to rid Libya of him."

"Whoever in the Libyan army is able to shoot a bullet at Mr Kadhafi should do so," Qaradawi, an Egyptian-born cleric who is usually based in Qatar, told Al-Jazeera television."



"The cleric, spiritual leader of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood "




See, the MB isn't so bad. They just hate tyrants, dictators, and imperialist UN violators who take Egypt's land...

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 06:40 AM
And yeah, Libya/Kadhafi were behind Pan Am's flight over Lockerbie...

Donger
02-22-2011, 07:49 AM
"Jews for Sarah"?

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 07:52 AM
"Jews for Sarah"?


Yup, Jews for Sarah

jewsforsarah.com

or you might even Google first...

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 07:54 AM
By the way, what does "unconditional support" mean?

When Sarah says, as US President, she will "unconditionally support" Israel, what does that mean?

Does that mean the US will exist to serve Israel if Sarah is elected?

Does that explain why so many Israelis support Sarah?

ForeverChiefs58
02-22-2011, 08:18 AM
By the way, what does "unconditional support" mean?

When Sarah says, as US President, she will "unconditionally support" Israel, what does that mean?

Does that mean the US will exist to serve Israel if Sarah is elected?

Does that explain why so many Israelis support Sarah?


It means we will stand behind our ally even when it is popular in the ME to hate. If we didn't depend so much on oil, I doubt so many would give a crap what any of her neighbor's think.

Really curious why you are so full of hate for Israel and jews in general? Are you middle eastern? You use some uncommon words I have heard from muslims before. Maybe you are eupopean with natzi ties? Do you hate black people too, or just jews?

BTW, no jewish person has ever lined my pockets with silver or gold.

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 09:11 AM
"standing behind your ally" <> "unconditional support"


A slave has "unconditional support" for master.


"Unconditional support" could also be interpreted as "The US will use the US military whenever and where ever Israel wants..."


You call Israel our "ally."


Do you have any evidence of this other than your pastor and FIXED have told your birdbrain that over and over???

Allies do things for each other. Israel has never done anything for the US, although they do pour silver into the pockets of Baptist pastors... just like slaveowners did 200 years ago...

patteeu
02-22-2011, 10:12 AM
I thought the Muslim Brotherhood had eschewed violence. What happened with that?

And LaDairis, I don't see how this fatwa against Kadafi in any way demonstrates the folly of those who warned against the Muslim Brotherhood and their thirst for islamist power in the first place.

Saul Good
02-22-2011, 10:56 AM
MB calls for the assassination of their secular leader.

LaDarius: I told you guys that the MB is just a swell bunch of guys.



As for Palin's comments, if the US needs to bow down before Israel, I am all for it. On an unrelated note, does anyone know of a good place to store silver?

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 11:07 AM
I thought the Muslim Brotherhood had eschewed violence. What happened with that?

And LaDairis, I don't see how this fatwa against Kadafi in any way demonstrates the folly of those who warned against the Muslim Brotherhood and their thirst for islamist power in the first place.



So, this is about "islamist power" and not about Kadhafi offing his own people... which is why the fatwa came yesterday, and not 40 years ago..


Thank goodness so many from your demographic occupy our "US news media."

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 11:08 AM
"MB calls for the assassination of their secular leader.

LaDarius: I told you guys that the MB is just a swell bunch of guys."



Clearly, there weren't any Chosen on the Pan Am flight over Lockerbie... or you might call Kadhafi the TERRORIST he is...

patteeu
02-22-2011, 11:10 AM
So, this is about "islamist power" and not about Kadhafi offing his own people... which is why the fatwa came yesterday, and not 40 years ago..


Thank goodness so many from your demographic occupy our "US news media."

If my demographic is "anti-Islamist", then yes, thank goodness.

Saul Good
02-22-2011, 11:11 AM
"MB calls for the assassination of their secular leader.

LaDarius: I told you guys that the MB is just a swell bunch of guys."



Clearly, there weren't any Chosen on the Pan Am flight over Lockerbie... or you might call Kadhafi the TERRORIST he is...

Of course he is a terrorist and deserves to die. That doesn't make the MB an ally. Stalin fought against Hitler, but that didn't make him a swell guy.

Jaric
02-22-2011, 11:14 AM
Just a thought LaDairis, but the "enemy of my enemy" line of reasoning is what got the CIA working with Bin Laden in the first place.

It's also concerning that less than a week ago we heard how they were against violence and now they are putting bounties on other countries leaders (scumbags that they are)

ForeverChiefs58
02-22-2011, 11:16 AM
"standing behind your ally" <> "unconditional support"


A slave has "unconditional support" for master.


"Unconditional support" could also be interpreted as "The US will use the US military whenever and where ever Israel wants..."


You call Israel our "ally."


Do you have any evidence of this other than your pastor and FIXED have told your birdbrain that over and over???

Allies do things for each other. Israel has never done anything for the US, although they do pour silver into the pockets of Baptist pastors... just like slaveowners did 200 years ago...


Guess you've never heard of Harriet Tubman, Kunta Kinte (Toby) or the thousands of other slaves who escaped from their "masters" because they just didn't give them enough unconditional support. You obviously hate blacks by your use of the "n word" and now saying that slaves liked having masters?

The US are allies with many nations Ricky Retardo. The US would protect and stand by Israel same as it would much of europe or many of our other allied "friends".


In the same sentence that you say Israel has never done anything for the US, you state they pour silver in pockets of so many americans. Well, that seems like a pretty nice thing to do to me. Not many other nations have been so kind.*


*Unless of course they are bars of silver, because that would be bulky and too heavy to walk around in your pocket. I don't even like sitting down with keys or a bunch of pennies in my pocket, let alone all that silver.

The nerve of those damn rude jews handing out silver like that, when they obviously know gold is the prefered standard for slaves! Typical jews trying to save a penny where they can, right LaDairis?

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 11:18 AM
So, the US is for peace, but since it was founded by revolting against a King, that's just awful???

MB is far from a perfect "ally," but they are consistent. Kadhafi was offing innocent people. Solution - off Kadhafi.


Sorry, I still see no reason to fault or fear MB...

patteeu
02-22-2011, 11:19 AM
Guess you've never heard of Harriet Tubman, Kunta Kinte (Toby) or the thousands of other slaves who escaped from their "masters" because they just didn't give them enough unconditional support. You obviously hate blacks by your use of the "n word" and now saying that slaves liked having masters?

The US are allies with many nations Ricky Retardo. The US would protect and stand by Israel same as it would much of europe or many of our other allied "friends".


In the same sentence that you say Israel has never done anything for the US, you state they pour silver in pockets of so many americans. Well, that seems like a pretty nice thing to do to me. Not many other nations have been so kind.*


*Unless of course they are bars of silver, because that would be bulky and too heavy to walk around in your pocket. I don't even like sitting down with keys or a bunch of pennies in my pocket, let alone all that silver.

The nerve of those damn rude jews handing out silver when they obviously know gold is the prefered standard for slaves! Typical jews trying to save a penny where they can, right LaDairis?

LMAO

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 11:20 AM
The "silver" the Chosen hand out to sellouts like Baptists pastors is all about manipulating the US to use the US military for the expansion of Israel.

That's called TREASON, and supporters of such behavior, especially lies used to sell out the lives of out troops, are TRAITORS, just like you.


Face it, when the USS Liberty got hit, you don't care beans if it was intentional as the Captain says, or not.

Because truth matters not to you...

Saul Good
02-22-2011, 11:22 AM
The "silver" the Chosen hand out to sellouts like Baptists pastors is all about manipulating the US to use the US military for the expansion of Israel.

That's called TREASON, and supporters of such behavior, especially lies used to sell out the lives of out troops, are TRAITORS, just like you.


Face it, when the USS Liberty got hit, you don't care beans if it was intentional as the Captain says, or not.

Because truth matters not to you...
Would some silver make you feel better?

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 11:22 AM
Guess you've never heard of Harriet Tubman, Kunta Kinte (Toby) or the thousands of other slaves who escaped from their "masters" because they just didn't give them enough unconditional support. You obviously hate blacks by your use of the "n word" and now saying that slaves liked having masters?

The US are allies with many nations Ricky Retardo. The US would protect and stand by Israel same as it would much of europe or many of our other allied "friends".


In the same sentence that you say Israel has never done anything for the US, you state they pour silver in pockets of so many americans. Well, that seems like a pretty nice thing to do to me. Not many other nations have been so kind.*


*Unless of course they are bars of silver, because that would be bulky and too heavy to walk around in your pocket. I don't even like sitting down with keys or a bunch of pennies in my pocket, let alone all that silver.

The nerve of those damn rude jews handing out silver like that, when they obviously know gold is the prefered standard for slaves! Typical jews trying to save a penny where they can, right LaDairis?




Seriously, since you love Israel so much, why not move there?

You don't care about the US. That much is certain. Why live in the US when all you care about is Israel?

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 11:23 AM
Would some silver make you feel better?



Did it make Iscariot feel better???

Donger
02-22-2011, 11:27 AM
Man, and I thought BEP was a one trick pony.

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 11:30 AM
Of course he is a terrorist and deserves to die. That doesn't make the MB an ally. Stalin fought against Hitler, but that didn't make him a swell guy.


Initially, Joe thought Hitler was his buddy, and the reports of German tanks attacking Russian border guard, Joe didn't initially believe those...

What's the difference between a commie and a nat socialist?

A: VERY LITTLE, one attacks first...


But in the ME, those are our choices. On 911, Taliban/AQ is at war with Northern Alliance. For the US national interest of wiping out T/AQ, TNA was our ally.

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 11:32 AM
Man, and I thought BEP was a one trick pony.



Do you believe the captain of the USS Liberty, who says the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was intentional??


(sound of silver clanging in Donger's pocket)

A: No, I believe the Israelis (cause that is what I am paid as a Baptist to do...)

ForeverChiefs58
02-22-2011, 11:37 AM
Man, and I thought BEP was a one trick pony.

Maybe LaDairis is her actual sugar daddy, and decided to get an account, because you know she complains nightly about the mean jew loving sub humans at chiefsplanet that obviously get their pockets lined with silver from Israel? ROFL

Donger
02-22-2011, 11:39 AM
Do you believe the captain of the USS Liberty, who says the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was intentional??


(sound of silver clanging in Donger's pocket)

A: No, I believe the Israelis (cause that is what I am paid as a Baptist to do...)

No, I don't think the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was intentional.

chiefsnorth
02-22-2011, 11:41 AM
I am sure this is just the Jew dominated media distorting their position. [\LaDairis]

chiefsnorth
02-22-2011, 11:44 AM
ROFL ! I was right again! You can tell what LaGoebbels is going to do without even reading the thread. Broken record.

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 11:45 AM
No, I don't think the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was intentional.


Why do you think the Captain is lying?

Donger
02-22-2011, 11:46 AM
Why do you think the Captain is lying?

I don't think he's lying.

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 11:47 AM
Maybe LaDairis is her actual sugar daddy, and decided to get an account, because you know she complains nightly about the mean jew loving sub humans at chiefsplanet that obviously get their pockets lined with silver from Israel? ROFL



No, sub human, your reading comprehension is typical of your demographic.


The CHOSEN figured out how to deal with your demographic = buy off the pastor, just as the Confederate Slaveowner did...


Once pastor is bought, sub humans will parrot pastor, no matter what...

BucEyedPea
02-22-2011, 11:47 AM
Maybe LaDairis is her actual sugar daddy, and decided to get an account, because you know she complains nightly about the mean jew loving sub humans at chiefsplanet that obviously get their pockets lined with silver from Israel? ROFL

I have actually never posted such drivel about "Jews". You're the one-trick pony here calling or implying anyone who is against invading countries that were not responsible for 9/11 anti-semitic. Even when expressing concern for Israel with regard to events in Egypt due to the peace treaty being threatened there, even if they flirted with conversion to Judaism. Having a political opinion on some events in the ME does not equate to anti-semitiism.

kcfanXIII
02-22-2011, 11:48 AM
Ladairis needs to work on his delivery. Whatever valid points he makes, are drowned out by his anti Israel rhetoric.

Donger
02-22-2011, 11:48 AM
LaDairis, would you start using untermenschen instead of sub-human from now on?

BucEyedPea
02-22-2011, 11:49 AM
Man, and I thought I was a one trick pony.

FYP :evil:

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 11:50 AM
I don't think he's lying.


The Israelis say he is... and you, cough cough, believe the Israelis, a perfect lifetime 100% rating doing so...

BTW- the Captain of the USS Liberty isn't the only one...


http://www.ussliberty.org/supporters.htm



* "I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. . . . Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous."
-- US Secretary of State Dean Rusk



* "Accidents don't occur through repeated attacks by surface vessels and aircraft. It obviously was a decision made pretty high up on the Israeli side, because it involved combined forces. The ship was flying an American flag. My judgment was that somewhere along the line some fairly senior official gave the go ahead. I personally did not accept the Israeli explanation."
-- US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Recorded interview, www.ussliberty.org



* "...the board of inquiry (concluded) that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing in attacking the Liberty."
-- CIA Director Richard Helms in his book A Look Over my Shoulder



* "It was no accident."
-- CIA Director Richard Helms in interview for Navy Times, 6/26/2002. Asked to say more, Helms remarked that he did not want to spend the rest of his life testifying in court about the attack.



* "To me, the picture thus far presents the distinct possibility that the Israelis knew that the Liberty might be their target and attacked anyway, either through confusion in Command and Control or through deliberate disregard of instructions on the part of subordinates."
-- CIA Deputy Director Admiral Rufus Taylor



* That the attack was deliberate "just wasn't a disputed issue" within the National Security Agency
-- Former NSA Director retired Army Lieutenant General William Odom on 3 March 2003 in an interview for Naval Institute Proceedings



* Former NSA/CIA Director Admiral Bobby Inman "flatly rejected" the Cristol/Israeli claims that the attack was an accident
-- 5 March 2003 interview for Naval Institute Proceedings



* "I have never believed that the attack on the USS Liberty was a case of mistaken identity. That is ridiculous. Israel knew perfectly well that the ship was American."
-- Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, former Chief of Naval Operations and later Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff writing for Americans for Middle East Understanding, June 8, 1997



* "To suggest that they [the IDF] couldn't identify the ship is ... ridiculous. ... Anybody who could not identify the Liberty could not tell the difference between the White House and the Washington Monument."
-- Admiral Thomas Moorer, Chief of Naval Operations and later Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, quoted in The Washington Post, June 15, 1991, p. 14



* "To me, the picture thus far presents the distinct possibility that the Israelis knew that Liberty might be their target and attacked anyway."
-- Admiral Rufus Taylor, Deputy CIA director, as quoted by CIA director Admiral Rufus Taylor in A Look Over My Shoulder.



* Of four former NSA/CIA seniors with inside knowledge, none was aware of any agency official who dissented from the position that the attack was deliberate
-- David Walsh, writing in Naval Institute Proceedings



* "That the Liberty could have been mistaken for the Egyptian supply ship El Quseir is unbelievable"
-- Special Assistant to the President Clark Clifford, in his report to President Lyndon Johnson



* "Inconceivable that it was an accident � 3 strafing passes, 3 torpedo boats. Set forth facts. Punish Israelis responsible"
-- Clark Clifford, Secretary of Defense under Lyndon Johnson, in Minutes of NSC Special Committee Meeting, 9 June 1967



* "A nice whitewash for a group of ignorant, stupid and inept [expletive deleted]."
-- Handwritten note of August 26, 1967, by NSA Deputy Director Louis W. Tordella reacting to the Israeli court decision exonerating Israelis of blame for the Liberty attack. Dr. Tordella expressed the view that the attack was deliberate and that the Israeli government attempted to cover it up to authors James Ennes and James Bamford and to Congressman George Mahon (D-Texas), and in an internal memorandum for the record. He noted "a nice whitewash for a group of ignorant, stupid and inept (redacted)" in the margin of the official Israeli excuse for the attack as noted in the NSA Gerhard report 1982)



* "The attack was clearly deliberate."
-- General Marshall Carter, former director, National Security Agency, in a telephone interview with James Ennes



* "The attack was deliberate"
-- Lucius Battle, former presidential advisor, as keynote speaker for 1982 USS Liberty reunion.



* "My immediate reaction was it was not an accident. It had to be a deliberate attack."
-- Lucius Battle, in BBC Documentary "Dead in the Water".



* "....did not buy the Israeli 'mistake' explanations either. Nobody believes that explanation." When informed by author Bamford of gruesome war crime (killing of large numbers of POWs) at nearby El Arish, Morrison saw the connection. "That would be enough," he said. "They wouldn't want us in on that. You've got the motive. What a hell of a thing to do."
-- Major General John Morrison, US Air Force, Deputy Chief NSA Operations during the attack and later Chief of NSA Operations as reported in Body of Secrets by James Bamford, p233.



* "I can tell you for an absolute certainty (from intercepted communications) that they knew they were attacking an American ship."
-- Oliver Kirby, former deputy director for operations/production, National Security Agency. Kirby participated in NSA's investigation of the attack and reviewed translations of intercepted communications between pilots and their headquarters which he reports show conclusively that they knew their target was an American ship. Kirby is considered the "Godfather" of the USS Liberty and USS Pueblo intercept programs. (Telephone interviews with James Ennes and David Walsh for Friendless Fire, Proceedings, June 2003)



* On the strength of intercept transcripts of pilots' conversations during the attack, the question of the attack's deliberateness "just wasn't a disputed issue" within the agency.
-- Lieutenant General William E. Odom, former director, National Security Agency, interview with David Walsh on March 3, 2003, reported in Naval Institute Proceedings, June, 2003



* Inman said he "flatly rejected" the Cristol thesis that the attack was an accident. "It is just exceedingly difficult to believe that [USS Liberty] was not correctly identified" based on his talks with NSA seniors at the time having direct knowledge of intercepted communications. No NSA official could be found who dissented from the "deliberate" conclusion.
-- Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN, Director National Security Agency 1977-1981, reported in Proceedings, June, 2003



* "I found it hard to believe that it was, in fact, an honest mistake on the part of the Israeli air force units. I still find it impossible to believe that it was."
-- Paul C. Warnke, Undersecretary of the Navy and later general legal counsel to the Department of Defense.



* "In many years, I have wanted to believe that the attack on the Liberty was pure error. It appears to me that it was not a pure case of mistaken identity. . . . I think it is about time that the State of Israel and the United States government provide the crew members of the Liberty, and the rest of the American people, the facts of what happened and why it came about that the Liberty was attacked 30 years ago today." Later, McGonagle remarked, "USS Liberty is the only US Navy ship attacked by a foreign nation, involving large loss of life...that has never been accorded a full Congressional hearing."
-- Captain William L. McGonagle, Commanding Officer, USS Liberty, speaking at Arlington National Cemetery June 8, 1997.



* "The Israelis told us 24 hours before that ...if we didn't move it, they would sink it. Unfortunately, the ship was not moved, and by the time the message arrived the ship was taking on water."
-- John Stenbit, Assistant Secretary of Defense for C3Im in an address to the AFEI/NDAI Conference for Net Centric Operations, Wednesday, April 16, 2003

chiefsnorth
02-22-2011, 11:51 AM
LaDairis, would you start using untermenschen instead of sub-human from now on?

Just as soon as you start wearing your star.

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 11:51 AM
Which US President accepted Israel's "explanation?"

The one who became US President when Israel OFFED his predecessor...

Donger
02-22-2011, 11:52 AM
Yeah, yeah. I've seen all those.

Now, why would the Jews want to attack an American ship?

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 11:53 AM
Ladairis needs to work on his delivery. Whatever valid points he makes, are drowned out by his anti Israel rhetoric.



All those "anti-Israelis" above who think the Israelis lied, and did attack the USS Liberty, knowing full well our "US President" at the time was in their pocket 100%, since he was President solely because... not a vote of the US people, but...

Donger
02-22-2011, 11:53 AM
Which US President accepted Israel's "explanation?"

The one who became US President when Israel OFFED his predecessor...

You mean the POTUS who just happened to be POTUS when the attack took place?

Color me stunned.

BucEyedPea
02-22-2011, 11:54 AM
Yeah, yeah. I've seen all those.

Now, why would the Jews want to attack an American ship?

Jews do not equate to Israel necessarily. Israel is a govt. Remember that. One that sent Pollard to spy on our govt.
I wouldn't put it past other govts doing that including an ally. Govts aren't necessarily sane.

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 11:58 AM
Yeah, yeah. I've seen all those.

Now, why would the Jews want to attack an American ship?



So all of those are somehow "jew haters," "anti-semites," and "conspiracy theorists..."


The issue for the specific attack on the USS Liberty was about Israel's little imperialist expansion in 1967, and whether the US supported it (very MIXED to be kind, those sold out supported like LBJ, most Americans without Iscariot silver in pocket did not... and LBJ wasn't very supportive, since most of the US was not either...)

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 11:59 AM
Jews do not equate to Israel necessarily. Israel is a govt. Remember that. One that sent Pollard to spy on our govt.
I wouldn't put it past other govts doing that including an ally. Govts aren't necessarily sane.


Indeed, they always try that sneaky little blur.

Good, the Chosen are, at BLURRRING things... like AQ into "the terrorists..."

Donger
02-22-2011, 12:00 PM
So all of those are somehow "jew haters," "anti-semites," and "conspiracy theorists..."


The issue for the specific attack on the USS Liberty was about Israel's little imperialist expansion in 1967, and whether the US supported it (very MIXED to be kind, those sold out supported like LBJ, most Americans without Iscariot silver in pocket did not... and LBJ wasn't very supportive, since most of the US was not either...)

I don't know what their motivations were/are.

So, why would Israel want to attack us again?

Donger
02-22-2011, 12:00 PM
Jews do not equate to Israel necessarily. Israel is a govt. Remember that. One that sent Pollard to spy on our govt.
I wouldn't put it past other govts doing that including an ally. Govts aren't necessarily sane.

Meh. "The Jewish State."

Jaric
02-22-2011, 12:03 PM
So, the US is for peace, but since it was founded by revolting against a King, that's just awful???

MB is far from a perfect "ally," but they are consistent. Kadhafi was offing innocent people. Solution - off Kadhafi.


Sorry, I still see no reason to fault or fear MB...

Was this a response to me? If so, I'm confused as hell about the first part.

The second part though, it doesn't bother you that within less than a week they went from non-violent to putting out bounties on other countries dictators?

And to the last part, that's exactly what we said about Bin Laden when he was fighting the Russians for us. Be careful who you get into bed with.

BucEyedPea
02-22-2011, 12:04 PM
Meh. "The Jewish State."

Yeah, but it still has the word "state" in it. So it's not the Jewish people, a generality.
A state that has arab muslims in it as well.

Donger
02-22-2011, 12:05 PM
Yeah, but it still has the word "state" in it. So it's not the Jewish people.

And the vast majority of those people who make up that state are Jewish.

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 12:06 PM
"The second part though, it doesn't bother you that within less than a week they went from non-violent to putting out bounties on other countries dictators?"


I never was under the impression that they were anything but a reasonably moderate group of Sunnis who follow reasonably strict Islam, way less than Taliban, but decently strict, and if someone is killing innocent people, strict Islam demands that individual die.

So, you are non-violent, and then you watch someone off some kids at a school, and you have a loaded gun, and the shooter is about to shoot more kids, are you "violent" if you kill the shooter?

I think not.

I don't see any inconsistency at all with MB so far. If they fight against true democracy in Egypt, or try to off someone innocent, which Kadhafi is NOT, then you'd have a point...

BucEyedPea
02-22-2011, 12:06 PM
And the vast majority of those people who make up that state are Jewish.

irrelevant

How do you know all of most of those members support everything their govt does?
About 80% of them are atheists and secular per polls. Although I've seen it polled lower at 41% at times.

Donger
02-22-2011, 12:08 PM
irrelevant

How do you know all of most of those members support everything their govt does?

LMAO

It's okay, BEP. You over-reached. I forgive you.

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 12:08 PM
I don't know what their motivations were/are.

So, why would Israel want to attack us again?


Go back and read what I posted that you apparently did not comprehend...

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 12:09 PM
You say you do NOT know what the "motivations" are of all those loyal Americans "lying" about Israel attacking the USS Liberty, but if someone here points that out, they are all


"jew haters"
Nazis
anti-semites

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz................



Truth and Patriotism have never mixed well with BAPTISTS...

Donger
02-22-2011, 12:09 PM
Go back and read what I posted that you apparently did not comprehend...

This?

The issue for the specific attack on the USS Liberty was about Israel's little imperialist expansion in 1967, and whether the US supported it (very MIXED to be kind, those sold out supported like LBJ, most Americans without Iscariot silver in pocket did not... and LBJ wasn't very supportive, since most of the US was not either...)

Jaric
02-22-2011, 12:10 PM
"The second part though, it doesn't bother you that within less than a week they went from non-violent to putting out bounties on other countries dictators?"


I never was under the impression that they were anything but a reasonably moderate group of Sunnis who follow reasonably strict Islam, way less than Taliban, but decently strict, and if someone is killing innocent people, strict Islam demands that individual die.

So, you are non-violent, and then you watch someone off some kids at a school, and you have a loaded gun, and the shooter is about to shoot more kids, are you "violent" if you kill the shooter?

I think not.

I don't see any inconsistency at all with MB so far. If they fight against true democracy in Egypt, or try to off someone innocent, which Kadhafi is NOT, then you'd have a point...
I'm not even saying they are bad.

Only that it may be a bit too early to label them big harmless Teddy Bears.

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 12:10 PM
irrelevant

How do you know all of most of those members support everything their govt does?
About 80% of them are atheists and secular per polls.


And there are plenty of anti-Israel Jews...

Donger
02-22-2011, 12:11 PM
You say you do NOT know what the "motivations" are of all those loyal Americans "lying" about Israel attacking the USS Liberty, but if someone here points that out, they are all


"jew haters"
Nazis
anti-semites

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz................



Truth and Patriotism have never mixed well with BAPTISTS...

If any of those people were known to spout off constantly about Zion and Israelites (etc.), I'd say the same things about them as I do you.

BucEyedPea
02-22-2011, 12:12 PM
LMAO

It's okay, BEP. You over-reached. I forgive you.

No I didn't. You missed the point. People vs Govt. aka people are not their govt.
They're not always the same despite the population being ethnically Jewish as a majority.
They often disagree and argue over politics like most people in most countries.

Hence your nervous laughter when you miss the point.

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 12:13 PM
This?

The issue for the specific attack on the USS Liberty was about Israel's little imperialist expansion in 1967, and whether the US supported it (very MIXED to be kind, those sold out supported like LBJ, most Americans without Iscariot silver in pocket did not... and LBJ wasn't very supportive, since most of the US was not either...)


YUP...


That was Israel's way of telling off the US, that the US is beneath Israel, that Israel has the power to off Americans, and because that particular US President was 100% sold out, there will be no consequences for Israel's attack. Israel wanted to show US critics of its 1967 expansion what Israel thought of them...

Some day, the US will have a President who will respond a bit differently than LBJ, by going to a very eager 119 other Gulf War ally countries in the UN and starting a new UN mission, to enforce Israel's 1948 border...

Donger
02-22-2011, 12:13 PM
No I didn't. You missed the point. People vs Govt. They're not always the same despite the population being ethnically jewish as a majority.

The government wasn't flying those planes and steering the ships, BEP.

Donger
02-22-2011, 12:14 PM
YUP...


That was Israel's way of telling off the US, that the US is beneath Israel, that Israel has the power to off Americans, and because that particular US President was 100% sold out, there will be no consequences for Israel's attack. Israel wanted to show US critics of its 1967 expansion what Israel thought of them...

Some day, the US will have a President who will respond a bit differently than LBJ, by going to a very eager 119 other Gulf War ally countries in the UN and starting a new UN mission, to enforce Israel's 1948 border...

Wow, you are crazier than a shit-house rat.

People like you fascinate me, actually. How one can look at an event like this is and conclude that instead of this being a case of mistaken identity during combat operations, the Israelis took time out of stomping Arabs to put us in our place.

LMAO

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 12:16 PM
If any of those people were known to spout off constantly about Zion and Israelites (etc.), I'd say the same things about them as I do you.



Funny, they are truthful, sort of, but they must all be "lying" since you believe Israel and not them...

but they aren't all anti-semites, but anyone who cites them is...



CHA-CHING, more chosen Baptist "logic..."

Donger
02-22-2011, 12:17 PM
Funny, they are truthful, sort of, but they must all be "lying" since you believe Israel and not them...

but they aren't all anti-semites, but anyone who cites them is...



CHA-CHING, more chosen Baptist "logic..."

Again, I didn't say they are lying.

And, what's with this Baptist thing?

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 12:18 PM
Wow, you are crazier than a shit-house rat.


When one is completely defeated in debate, one usually

a) tosses a race card
b) calls you crazy
c) insinuates that you are Hitler



You are a completely despicable and treasonous life form. You exist to enrich yourself by lying to sell out this country, and no amount of lying and BS is ever enough, as long as the silver keeps piling up in the pocket...

May true American justice find you...

BucEyedPea
02-22-2011, 12:18 PM
The government wasn't flying those planes and steering the ships, BEP.

I'm not even following that argument FYI. I was just correcting you on people versus the state which caught my eye.
Whoever was flying or steering, had to be under orders acting for the govt and if not it was those certain individuals and not the Jewish people which is a generality.

Jaric
02-22-2011, 12:19 PM
Ladairis, we talked about this.

:shake:

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 12:19 PM
Again, I didn't say they are lying.



LOL!!!


If you believe Israel, YES YOU ARE...

alpha_omega
02-22-2011, 12:20 PM
So...i guess LaDairis won't be vacationing in Tel Aviv this year?

Donger
02-22-2011, 12:20 PM
When one is completely defeated in debate, one usually

a) tosses a race card
b) calls you crazy
c) insinuates that you are Hitler



You are a completely despicable and treasonous life form. You exist to enrich yourself by lying to sell out this country, and no amount of lying and BS is ever enough, as long as the silver keeps piling up in the pocket...

May true American justice find you...

I added to my post.

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 12:21 PM
I'm not even following that argument FYI. I was just correcting you on people versus the state which caught my eye.
Whoever was flying or steering, had to be under orders and if not it was those certain individuals and not the Jewish people which is a generality.


What he knows is that the Mossad and other really despicable parts of Judaism can "hide" as air force pilots and the like and wait to be "activated" by something other than the will of the majority of those who live in Israel, a truth, but a diversion from the real overall truth...

kinda like an AQ "sleeper cell.." that our Israeli owned "US media" warned us about, only a decade later we can't find any... because when it comes to "terror," Israel is the expert...

Donger
02-22-2011, 12:21 PM
LOL!!!


If you believe Israel, YES YOU ARE...

No, I just happen to think that they are mistaken in their opinions. That doesn't mean I think they are lying.

You see how that can be possible, right?

For example, I don't think that Bush lied about Iraq's WMDs.

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 12:23 PM
No, I just happen to think that they are mistaken in their opinions. That doesn't mean I think they are lying.

You see how that can be possible, right?

For example, I don't think that Bush lied about Iraq's WMDs.



And, supposing you were a Baptist Pastor, what would Israel want you to "think" while dumping all that silver in your pocket...

Donger
02-22-2011, 12:24 PM
And, supposing you were a Baptist Pastor, what would Israel want you to "think" while dumping all that silver in your pocket...

Again with the Baptist?

patteeu
02-22-2011, 12:32 PM
Again, I didn't say they are lying.

And, what's with this Baptist thing?

He's diversifying his message. He doesn't want to be type cast.

patteeu
02-22-2011, 12:33 PM
When one is completely defeated in debate, one usually

a) tosses a race card
b) calls you crazy
c) insinuates that you are Hitler

I bet you've been "defeated in debate" with some regularity, then.

ForeverChiefs58
02-22-2011, 12:42 PM
I have actually never posted such drivel about "Jews". You're the one-trick pony here calling or implying anyone who is against invading countries that were not responsible for 9/11 anti-semitic. Even when expressing concern for Israel with regard to events in Egypt due to the peace treaty being threatened there, even if they flirted with conversion to Judaism. Having a political opinion on some events in the ME does not equate to anti-semitiism.

WTF?
Yes, I am for bombing countries that were behind, supported or cheered 9-11. I am for bombing any country that condones terrorists or suicied bombers on innocent women and children. But I would never say that anyone who disagreed with me on that part was anti semitic. That doesn't even make sense. Please by all means show me one time I have EVER done that.

The only thing I would ever say is anti semitic is when someone supports Hitler, Natzis, terrorists groups that obviously want to destroy Israel, or brushes off known terrorists groups like Hamas or Hezbollah and state that they are just misunderstood and really help people. I have actually run into way too many on this board that think this way, but I don't throw around that everyone is antisemitic, I usually will just call them other names instead to let them know I disagree. :p
Of course then there are people like LaDairis who can't even talk about anything without stating that the jews are behind everything that has ever gone wrong in the world. Which is why I tied you two together because of your support for the ME ninja terrorists. Now do you get my little joke? I admit it was more sad than funny.

BucEyedPea
02-22-2011, 12:55 PM
I don't think it's our fight for our soldiers to die for Israel. That's where I draw the line.

ForeverChiefs58
02-22-2011, 12:58 PM
What he knows is that the Mossad and other really despicable parts of Judaism can "hide" as air force pilots and the like and wait to be "activated" by something other than the will of the majority of those who live in Israel, a truth, but a diversion from the real overall truth...

kinda like an AQ "sleeper cell.." that our Israeli owned "US media" warned us about, only a decade later we can't find any... because when it comes to "terror," Israel is the expert...

Look at Ladairis and BEP getting all cozy. You are such a terrorists supporting flirt!

BucEyedPea
02-22-2011, 01:00 PM
Look at Ladairis and BEP getting all cozy. You are such a terrorists supporting flirt!

I don't support terrorism. I believe in fighting our own actual enemies directly is all. Israel gets plenty of military aid and support. Even Ronald Reagan pulled us out of Beirut due to putting troops directly in that fight which was just for a peace mission. It's not in our interests and just results in terrorism on us.

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 01:01 PM
He's diversifying his message. He doesn't want to be type cast.


Yes, I out all traitors, not just the ones from your demographic...

Sorry if that interferes with the "anti-semite" theme...

Donger
02-22-2011, 01:02 PM
Yes, I out all traitors, not just the ones from your demographic...

Sorry if that interferes with the "anti-semite" theme...

Is your Jewish blood on your mother's or father's side? Both?

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 01:06 PM
"Yes, I am for bombing countries that were behind, supported or cheered 9-11."


There is a radical disconnect between what you say you support and what the individuals you claim to support actually did.

Now, when you say "bomb" as opposed to

"sending in an overwhelming 100k+ sized force to wipe out AQ and anyone who helps them in Afghan right after 911"

that leaves you "wiggle room," because you and your masters halfway around the globe did NOT want the us to off OBL quickly and come home...


You and the individuals you supported, W in particular, were 100% responsible for


1. making those behind 911 "not a priority" in W's own words
2. sending way too few after those behind 911, barely enough to take and hold Kabul and Khandahar, and way too few to encircle Osama when spotted at Tora Bora
3. flipping off those at war with those behind 911, the Iranian armed and funded Northern Alliance, because of W's "axis of evil" treason from Zionist Democrat David Frum...


So, while you say you want Osama dead, who and what you supported did the exact opposite...


and every lie you were told about why, wmd, Osama-Saddam connection etc., none of those lies outraged your sub human rear at all, rather caused you to go right back to the same sources of the very same lies (FIXED, your pastor) and parrot fresh new ones...

go bowe
02-22-2011, 01:14 PM
When one is completely deranged and irrational in a debate, one usually

a) tosses a jooo card
b) calls you subhuman
c) insinuates that you are a baptist



I am a completely despicable and treasonous life form. I exist to irritate and annoy as much as possible, and no amount of lying and BS is ever enough for me, as long as i can hear the silver jingling in my pocket...

May true American justice hoist me...fyp...

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 01:15 PM
Still waiting for a "documentation" of my "lying and BS."

Your problem is, you can't document that, because what I post is truth, truth you hate as a supporter of Israel, not the US...

patteeu
02-22-2011, 01:15 PM
Yes, I out all traitors, not just the ones from your demographic...

Sorry if that interferes with the "anti-semite" theme...

What's my demographic again? You're losing me.

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 01:18 PM
What's my demographic again? You're losing me.


Why you are a

pro Global Warming
pro feminist
pro W
"Republican.."

who also supports...

Sandy Burglar


but doesn't support

General Hugh Shelton...

and thinks W was just a "great President..."

go bowe
02-22-2011, 01:18 PM
Still waiting for a "documentation" of my "lying and BS."

Your problem is, you can't document that, because what I post is truth, truth you hate as a supporter of Israel, not the US...truth=delusion... /dairis

go bowe
02-22-2011, 01:19 PM
Why you are a

pro Global Warming
pro feminist
pro W
"Republican.."

who also supports...

Sandy Burglar


but doesn't support

General Hugh Shelton...

and thinks W was just a "great President..."well, ya nailed pat on all of those except w...

pat thinks dick cheney was a great president...

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 01:19 PM
Actually, the way you refute someone is by documenting where they are wrong.

For example, if one says that CO2 is "warming" Earth's atmosphere, you can refute that by documenting that the highly correlated satellite and balloon raw data shows precisely no warming in the atmosphere despite the CO2 increase.

Or you could do something like insult and duck back behind a white sheet...

Donger
02-22-2011, 01:20 PM
Actually, the way you refute someone is by documenting where they are wrong.

For example, if one says that CO2 is "warming" Earth's atmosphere, you can refute that by documenting that the highly correlated satellite and balloon raw data shows precisely no warming in the atmosphere despite the CO2 increase.

Or you could do something like insult and duck back behind a white sheet...

Wait, you actually think that CO2 does NOT heat our atmosphere?

go bowe
02-22-2011, 01:23 PM
Actually, the way you refute someone is by documenting where they are wrong.

For example, if one says that CO2 is "warming" Earth's atmosphere, you can refute that by documenting that the highly correlated satellite and balloon raw data shows precisely no warming in the atmosphere despite the CO2 increase.

Or you could do something like insult and duck back behind a white sheet...white sheets are so passe...

it's almost spring time, you should go with floral patterns...

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 01:24 PM
Rather, the DATA we have shows that the increase in atmospheric CO2 from 270ppm to 380ppm did not warm the atmosphere at all, and you've also been shown that British Court ruling, which certified that the ice cores show no correlation between CO2 and Earth temperatures in the past either.

All gasses trap heat. Minor fluctuations in CO2 do not affect Earth temperature, not enough to measure...

Now, plate tectonics, they can have a big influence on how much ice Earth has, because 97% of Earth ice is in Antarctica and Greenland, when land gets to within 600 miles of an Earth pole...

go bowe
02-22-2011, 01:24 PM
Wait, you actually think that CO2 does NOT heat our atmosphere?of course not, you dirty baptist...

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 01:26 PM
It is amusing to watch just what "Baptist Pastors" are now "experts" about, such as CO2 and atmospheric temperatures...

Meanwhile, we sit and wonder, is Antarctica an "ice age??"

go bowe
02-22-2011, 01:27 PM
Rather, the DATA we have shows that the increase in atmospheric CO2 from 270ppm to 380ppm did not warm the atmosphere at all, and you've also been shown that British Court ruling, which certified that the ice cores show no correlation between CO2 and Earth temperatures in the past either.

All gasses trap heat. Minor fluctuations in CO2 do not affect Earth temperature, not enough to measure...

Now, plate tectonics, they can have a big influence on how much ice Earth has, because 97% of Earth ice is in Antarctica and Greenland, when land gets to within 600 miles of an Earth pole...let me get this right...

you're relying on what some british court came up with?

since when are baptist zionist british courts the arbiters of scientific fact?

i mean, they're so eminently qualified...

besides, the brits support israel...

Donger
02-22-2011, 01:29 PM
Who the heck is a "Baptist Pastor" here?

go bowe
02-22-2011, 01:29 PM
It is amusing to watch just what "Baptist Pastors" are now "experts" about, such as CO2 and atmospheric temperatures...

Meanwhile, we sit and wonder, is Antarctica an "ice age??"and what are your qualifications as an expert wrt co2 and atmospheric temperatures?

patteeu
02-22-2011, 01:30 PM
Why you are a

pro Global Warming
pro feminist
pro W
"Republican.."

who also supports...

Sandy Burglar


but doesn't support

General Hugh Shelton...

and thinks W was just a "great President..."

Damn, you nailed me, except you forgot that I'm also a Baptist Jew.

ForeverChiefs58
02-22-2011, 01:30 PM
I don't support terrorism. I believe in fighting our own actual enemies directly is all. Israel gets plenty of military aid and support. Even Ronald Reagan pulled us out of Beirut due to putting troops directly in that fight which was just for a peace mission. It's not in our interests and just results in terrorism on us.

So if europe was attacked you don't think the US should even offer to help?
*Newsflash* Our soldiers die for freedom and liberty. Islamic extremists are enemies to everyone who doesn't follow them. The enemies of Israel are actually enemies to the US and mankind in general. Terrorists have said it is a good thing to have Israel so they can have the jews all in one place to kill them easier. When it is not Israel it is the US. If there was no Israel where do you think they would turn their attention? They are raised to hate jews and americans and kill at a very early age. Most of the terrorist demonstations with flag burning turns into chants of death to america, not just for our support to our allies but because of our support for freedoms.

Ignoring them won't make them go away, but a few nukes would help.

go bowe
02-22-2011, 01:30 PM
Who the heck is a "Baptist Pastor" here?well, if you can hear iscariot silver jingling in your pocket...

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 01:33 PM
"you're relying on what some british court came up with?"


Actually, it is quite simple. Al Gore's movie, which was MANDATED VIEWING in Britain's public schools, contained FALSEHOODS, such as

1. Global "warming" is melting Antarctica

Now, someone in Britain noticed that Antarctic ice has been both growing geographically, setting an all time high in 2007 for ice acreage (the time of the court ruling) and the satellites also document the ice is THICKENING...

So, we have

Al Gore saying melting

The DATA saying just the opposite...


The COURT sided with the DATA, even if you probably won't...


http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=50e42b47-ca21-47c1-bbb1-caf456348677


While Judge Michael Burton declined to ban the movie outright, he did order the government to rewrite its guidelines to highlight the movie's falsehoods.

These were identified in court as follows:

Gore's claim: A retreating glacier on Mount Kilimanjaro in Tanzania is evidence of global warming.

Finding: The government's expert witness conceded this was not correct.

Gore: Ice core samples prove that rising levels of carbon dioxide have caused temperature increases.

Finding: Rises in carbon dioxide actually lagged behind temperature increases by 800-2000 years.

Gore: Global warming triggered Hurricane Katrina, devastating New Orleans.

Finding: The government's expert accepted it was "not possible" to attribute one-off events to global warming.

Gore: Global warming is causing Africa's Lake Chad to dry up.

Finding: The government's expert accepted that this was not the case.

Gore: Polar bears had drowned due to disappearing Arctic ice.

Finding: Only four polar bears drowned, due to a particularly violent storm.

Gore: Global warming could stop the Gulf Stream, plunging Europe into a new ice age.

Finding: A scientific impossibility.

Gore: Species losses, including coral reef bleaching, are the result of global warming.

Finding: No evidence to support the claim.

Gore: Melting ice in Greenland could cause sea levels to rise dangerously.

Finding: Greenland ice will not melt for millennia.

Gore: Ice cover in Antarctica is melting.

Finding: It is, in fact, increasing.







Al Gore had the money and time to appeal. Al Gore chickened out from appealing, because a COURTROOM is a DANGEROUS PLACE for those pushing 100% PURE FRAUD...

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 01:34 PM
and what are your qualifications as an expert wrt co2 and atmospheric temperatures?


I checked the data, and noticed the satellites and balloons showed precisely NO WARMING in highly correlated fashion...

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 01:35 PM
Damn, you nailed me, except you forgot that I'm also a Baptist Jew.



Rather, a Jew all too familiar with just how sold out Baptist Pastors are, and just how stupid the Baptist flock is...

ForeverChiefs58
02-22-2011, 01:45 PM
Still waiting for a "documentation" of my "lying and BS."

Your problem is, you can't document that, because what I post is truth, truth you hate as a supporter of Israel, not the US...

Fine, but I'll bet you the silver in my pockets it won't be good enough for you. From CNN:

The NSA released audiotapes of Israeli pilots and ground control speaking in Hebrew, along with English transcripts.

The recordings were made by a nearby American surveillance aircraft in the immediate aftermath of the attack.

"For your info, it is apparently an Arab ship," says ground control.

"Roger," says the pilot.

"It is an Egyptian supply ship," says ground control.

"Roger," comes the response.

The NSA released the tapes and transcripts under the Freedom of Information Act in response to a request from Miami Judge Jay Cristol.

An author of a book on the attack, Cristol said the tapes show it was a tragic accident in a time of war -- that the Israelis mistook the ship for an Egyptian one.

"I don't think there's any question that anyone who reads these tapes would be absolutely convinced there was the fog of war out there," Cristol said.

More:

U.S. Agency Confirms Sinking of USS Liberty Was Accident

WASHINGTON -- New documents released this week by America's National Security Agency support Israel's version of a
long-festering controversy between the two countries. Israel's sinking of an American spy ship, the USS Liberty, off the coast
of Gaza during the 1967 Six-Day War.

Israel has always said it had no idea the ship was American, but conspiracy theorists and anti-Israel propagandists still claim
Israel sank the ship in the full knowledge that it was American.

The documents, originally defined as top secret, were made public by Florida Judge Jay Cristol, who has been investigating
the Liberty incident for years and published a book on the subject last year. On Monday, the NSA gave him a transcript of
conversations held by two Israeli Air Force helicopter pilots who were hovering over the Liberty as it was sinking, and these
tapes confirm Israel's claim that the sinking of the ship, which killed 34 American servicemen and wounded 171, was a tragic
error.

After the Liberty was bombed by both the Israel Air Force and the Israel Navy, the two helicopter pilots were summoned
from their base to assess the damage and evaluate the possibility of recuing the surviving crew members. An American spy
plane, which had been sent to the area as soon as the NSA learned of the attack, recorded their conversations, which took place
between 2:30 and 3:37 P.M. on June 8, the third day of the war.

The spy plane also recorded the orders radioed to the pilots by their supervisor at Hatzor Base, which instructed them to
search for Egyptian survivors from the "Egyptian warship" that had just been bombed - thus supporting Israel's claim that it
had believed the ship was Egyptian when it ordered it attacked. "Pay attention. The ship is now identified as Egyptian," the
pilots were told.

Nine minutes later, Hatzor informed the pilots that it was not an Egyptian warship, but an Egyptian cargo ship. Only at
3:07 were the pilots first informed that the ship might not have been Egyptian at all: Hatzor told them that if they found
Arabic-speaking survivors, they should be taken to El-Arish, but if they found English-speaking survivors, they should be
taken to Lod. "Clarify by the first man that you bring up, what nationality he is, and report to me immediately," the
supervisor instructed, according to the transcript. "It's important to know."

Then, at 3:12, one of the pilots informed Hatzor that he saw an American flag flying over the wounded ship. He was asked
to investigate and determine whether it was really an American ship.

This is not the first time such transcripts have been made public: Israel gave its own recordings of the pilots' conversations to
the British television station Thames in 1987. But conspiracy theorists charged that Israel had doctored the tapes before
handing them over to the station in order to hide the fact that it sank the Liberty intentionally. No such imputation can be
made about these new transcripts, as they were never in Israeli hands.

Israel has always said it attacked the Liberty, which America sent to the region to gather intelligence on the progress of the
war, because it believed it was an Egyptian supply ship ferrying supplies to the Egyptian troops that Israel was then fighting.
When it discovered the error, it immediately informed the Americans, apologized and paid compensation to the victims'
families.

The incident was investigated by inquiry commissions in both Israel and the United States, and both concluded that it had,
indeed, been a tragic error. Nevertheless, the controversy never died. In 1979, one of the survivors, James Ennes, published
a book accusing Israel of bombing the American ship deliberately. Ennes claimed an Israeli spy plane had hovered over the
ship all morning and had surely identified it as American, since the American flag was clearly visible.

A later book, written by James Bamford, charged that Israel sank the ship in order to keep America from learning of its
plans to attack Syria, and further claimed that the NSA had tapes of conversations among Israeli pilots that not only
confirmed this, but also proved that the tapes released by Israel had been doctored.

Another claim that appears frequently on the dozens of Internet sites devoted to the affair is that Israel sank the ship to
conceal a mass murder of Egyptian soldiers on the Sinai peninsula.

In its letter to Cristol, the NSA stressed that, contrary to the claims that often appear in such books and Web sites - that the
agency has tapes from both the Liberty and from a nearby American submarine that confirms Israel's guilt - the only tapes
that exist were those made by the spy plane and given to Cristol this week.

"Its the last piece of intelligence that remained classified, and every rational person that will read it will understand that there
is no truth in these conspiracy theories against Israel," Cristol said Tuesday. But he added: Those who hate Israel, who hate
Jews, and those who believe in conspiracy will not be convinced by anything."

Cristol, a former U.S. navy pilot and legal officer, began investigating the Liberty incident 14 years ago. Since publishing his
book, which vindicates Israel, he has received threats and been accused of being an Israeli agent. "I take this lightly, but I am
saddened to learn that there is this kind of hate toward Israel," he said.

go bowe
02-22-2011, 02:01 PM
I checked the data, and noticed the satellites and balloons showed precisely NO WARMING in highly correlated fashion...so, you checked the data and now you're in a position to say that the vast majority of actual experts in the field are full of shit, because you checked the data?

a few obscure opinions that are at odds with reality are hardly proof of anything other than you're not the only lunatic in the world...

go bowe
02-22-2011, 02:06 PM
Rather, a Jew all too familiar with just how sold out Baptist Pastors are, and just how stupid the Baptist flock is...can i be a jew too?

Jaric
02-22-2011, 02:07 PM
can i be a jew too?

It sounds kinda awesome really. You apparently have a shit ton of silver and the United Stated to do your bidding.

Mazel Tof! (I'm sure that's spelled wrong, no offense intended)

go bowe
02-22-2011, 02:18 PM
It sounds kinda awesome really. You apparently have a shit ton of silver and the United Stated to do your bidding.

Mazel Tof! (I'm sure that's spelled wrong, no offense intended)that's iscariot silver, mind you...

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 05:16 PM
so, you checked the data and now you're in a position to say that the vast majority of actual experts in the field are full of shit, because you checked the data?

a few obscure opinions that are at odds with reality are hardly proof of anything other than you're not the only lunatic in the world...



In the world of a sub human like, you, "truth" isn't about "data," it is about parroting. Who should I parrot since I have no clue = your "Truth" about everything...


We have two and only two measurements of atmospheric temps, satellites since 79, and weather balloons for much longer. Neither show any warming at all. The data for the past 30 years is highly correlated, meaning both show the same small ups and downs on a flat line.

You do not have to be a tippy toppiest "top scientist" to understand that.

But you do have to have the ability to think, and you don't, because all you do is parrot and argue, essentially, the "guru I'm parroting is smarter than you," the "Greater Guru Theory of Parroting."

Indeed, the "warmers" claim SURFACE "warming" is caused by CO2, in part because nothing on Earth has "warmed" at all except the surface of growing urban areas disproportionately in the Northern Hemisphere...

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 05:19 PM
"The NSA released audiotapes of Israeli pilots and ground control speaking in Hebrew, along with English transcripts."


That doesn't surprise me. I have never been underwhelmed by the Chosen ability to fudge and lie...


Pardon me, but I will take the word of our US Navy Captain over the "translators" from Israel, especially since the Exodus story in the Old Testament was "translated" about the same way...

patteeu
02-22-2011, 05:32 PM
"The NSA released audiotapes of Israeli pilots and ground control speaking in Hebrew, along with English transcripts."


That doesn't surprise me. I have never been underwhelmed by the Chosen ability to fudge and lie...


Pardon me, but I will take the word of our US Navy Captain over the "translators" from Israel, especially since the Exodus story in the Old Testament was "translated" about the same way...

How would the US Navy Captain on whom you rely know one way or the other? Is he a mind reader like you?

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 05:38 PM
How would any of them know anything???

It just so happens that LBJ and the Israelis were just about the only folks who thought it was an accident, and everyone else opining on the subject thought otherwise, including US Admirals, Generals, Secretaries of State, and the survivors...

patteeu
02-22-2011, 05:47 PM
How would any of them know anything???

I don't know, you tell me. Right now the only thing I can think of is that he must have been a mind reader, but that would be crazy, right?

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 05:50 PM
Pat, that's a pretty long and impressive list of Americans. I am not a military expert, and yes I am "parroting" here, but you can see why some of us might not be ready to accept the "accident" excuse...

You are also aware just how radical some of the West Bankers are.

Why don't you enlighten us to the demographics of Jews and Israelis, ideologically.

The late Robert Novak knew something was seriously wrong with the "neo-cons" when Stephen Solarz became one...

patteeu
02-22-2011, 06:00 PM
I don't know much about Israeli political demographics.

ForeverChiefs58
02-22-2011, 06:00 PM
"The NSA released audiotapes of Israeli pilots and ground control speaking in Hebrew, along with English transcripts."


That doesn't surprise me. I have never been underwhelmed by the Chosen ability to fudge and lie...


Pardon me, but I will take the word of our US Navy Captain over the "translators" from Israel, especially since the Exodus story in the Old Testament was "translated" about the same way...

Guess you missed this part:

"This is not the first time such transcripts have been made public: Israel gave its own recordings of the pilots' conversations to
the British television station Thames in 1987. But conspiracy theorists charged that Israel had doctored the tapes before
handing them over to the station in order to hide the fact that it sank the Liberty intentionally. No such imputation can be
made about these new transcripts, as they were never in Israeli hands."

patteeu
02-22-2011, 06:05 PM
Guess you missed this part:

"This is not the first time such transcripts have been made public: Israel gave its own recordings of the pilots' conversations to
the British television station Thames in 1987. But conspiracy theorists charged that Israel had doctored the tapes before
handing them over to the station in order to hide the fact that it sank the Liberty intentionally. No such imputation can be
made about these new transcripts, as they were never in Israeli hands."

I guess you missed the part where you don't have to have anything to do with Israel to be an Israeli to LaDairis. All you have to do is agree with Israel on something. By that standard, even the tapes that were never in the possession of people from Israel are Israeli tapes unless they prove that the USS Liberty was attacked intentionally. There now, I think you're caught up. :p

LaDairis
02-22-2011, 06:09 PM
I guess you missed the part where you don't have to have anything to do with Israel to be an Israeli to LaDairis. All you have to do is agree with Israel on something. By that standard, even the tapes that were never in the possession of people from Israel are Israeli tapes unless they prove that the USS Liberty was attacked intentionally. There now, I think you're caught up. :p



According to you, George Tenet is an "American..."

According to the ADL, George Tenet is "truly worthy" of the ADL's highest award, according to Avi Dichter, who is not "American" at all...

According to me and many others, George Tenet is a Zionist Traitor of a former "US" CIA Director...

According to the record, George Tenet as "US" CIA Director under two US Presidents endorsed by the AIPAC lobby...

1. failed to off OBL
2. failed to stop 911
3. intentionally broke our laws and treaties in order to 'board Gitmos to get fraud in order to...
4. intentionally lied to the US Senate about ficticious Iraqi WMD right before the war vote

go bowe
02-22-2011, 06:31 PM
mmmm...

this can't be for real...

i'm thinking either a kotter mult or the love child of honey and gochiefs...