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Mr. Laz
02-23-2011, 05:36 PM
When It Comes to Holding the Ball, Joe Flacco Tops Ben Roethlisberger

By JJ Cooper (http://www.fanhouse.com/staff/jj-cooper/) NFL Blogger

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Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger has deservedly developed a reputation as the quarterback who creates his own sacks. The Steelers' quarterback believes that he can dodge or shrug off pass rushers. And because of that he extends plays, buying time. Sometimes it leads to a big play, sometimes it leads to a sack.

Roethlisberger may be known for extending plays (and racking up high sack totals), but Baltimore's Joe Flacco was actually the king of holding the ball too long in 2010. In logging the time of each and every sack in the NFL in 2010, Flacco's 25 sacks of 3.1 seconds or more were five more than anyone else in the league.

I chose three seconds as the demarcation line because it's a pretty fair cutoff point for where a sack can no longer be blamed on a quarterback's blockers. The median sack time in the NFL last year was 2.7 seconds, just as it was in 2009. Obviously a line should be able to hold a three-man rush back longer than a eight-man all-out blitz, but for practical purposes, three seconds is the point where a quarterback should generally know that he has to get rid of the ball.

The leaderboard of the over-time sacks is filled with names you may expect. Flacco and Roethlisberger lead the way, but Chicago's Jay Cutler isn't far behind. Michael Vick's legs get him out of trouble a lot, but they also mean that he will also rack up some sacks.

At the other end of the spectrum, Peyton Manning has an internal clock that simply doesn't allow him the hold the ball for long. Only one of his 15 sacks last season was when he held the ball for three seconds or more. It runs in the family as Eli Manning also had only one long sack. Tennessee's Kerry Collins was also notable for very few long sacks.

<table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr> <td>Quarterback</td> <td>Team</td> <td>Over 3 Seconds</td> <td>3 Seconds
Or Less</td> <td>Total Sacks</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Joe Flacco</td> <td>Ravens</td> <td>25</td> <td>15</td> <td>40</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ben Roethlisberger</td> <td>Steelers</td> <td>20</td> <td>12</td> <td>32</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jay Cutler</td> <td>Bears</td> <td>19</td> <td>33</td> <td>52</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Michael Vick</td> <td>Eagles</td> <td>19</td> <td>13</td> <td>32</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jason Campbell</td> <td>Raiders</td> <td>16</td> <td>18</td> <td>34</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Kyle Orton</td> <td>Broncos</td> <td>15</td> <td>19</td> <td>34</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Mark Sanchez</td> <td>Jets</td> <td>14</td> <td>13</td> <td>27</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Matt Cassell</td> <td>Chiefs</td> <td>14</td> <td>12</td> <td>26</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Phillip Rivers</td> <td>Chargers</td> <td>13</td> <td>25</td> <td>38</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Sam Bradford</td> <td>Rams</td> <td>12</td> <td>23</td> <td>35</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Brett Favre</td> <td>Vikings</td> <td>11</td> <td>11</td> <td>22</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Colt McCoy</td> <td>Browns</td> <td>11</td> <td>12</td> <td>23</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Aaron Rodgers</td> <td>Packers</td> <td>10</td> <td>21</td> <td>31</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Josh Freeman</td> <td>Buccaneers</td> <td>10</td> <td>9</td> <td>19</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Donovan McNabb</td> <td>Redskins</td> <td>9</td> <td>28</td> <td>37</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Matt Hasselback</td> <td>Seahawks</td> <td>9</td> <td>20</td> <td>29</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Matt Schaub</td> <td>Texans</td> <td>9</td> <td>23</td> <td>32</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Smith</td> <td>49ers</td> <td>8</td> <td>17</td> <td>25</td> </tr> <tr> <td>David Garrard</td> <td>Jaguars</td> <td>8</td> <td>24</td> <td>32</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Derek Anderson</td> <td>Cardinals</td> <td>8</td> <td>18</td> <td>26</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Tom Brady</td> <td>Patriots</td> <td>8</td> <td>17</td> <td>25</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Kevin Kolb</td> <td>Eagles</td> <td>7</td> <td>9</td> <td>16</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Matt Ryan</td> <td>Falcons</td> <td>7</td> <td>16</td> <td>23</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ryan Fitzpatrick</td> <td>Bills</td> <td>7</td> <td>16</td> <td>23</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Troy Smith</td> <td>49ers</td> <td>7</td> <td>11</td> <td>18</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Vince Young</td> <td>Titans</td> <td>7</td> <td>6</td> <td>13</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Chad Henne</td> <td>Dolphins</td> <td>5</td> <td>23</td> <td>28</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Drew Brees</td> <td>Saints</td> <td>5</td> <td>21</td> <td>26</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jimmy Claussen</td> <td>Panthers</td> <td>5</td> <td>29</td> <td>34</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jon Kitna</td> <td>Cowboys</td> <td>5</td> <td>15</td> <td>20</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Shaun Hill</td> <td>Lions</td> <td>5</td> <td>12</td> <td>17</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Carson Palmer</td> <td>Bengals</td> <td>4</td> <td>22</td> <td>26</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Drew Stanton</td> <td>Lions</td> <td>4</td> <td>2</td> <td>6</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Joe Webb</td> <td>Vikings</td> <td>4</td> <td>4</td> <td>8</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Charlie Whitehurst</td> <td>Seahawks</td> <td>3</td> <td>2</td> <td>5</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Dennis Dixon</td> <td>Steelers</td> <td>3</td> <td>2</td> <td>5</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Max Hall</td> <td>Cardinals</td> <td>3</td> <td>10</td> <td>13</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rex Grossman</td> <td>Redskins</td> <td>3</td> <td>6</td> <td>9</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Seneca Wallace</td> <td>Browns</td> <td>3</td> <td>3</td> <td>6</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Tim Tebow</td> <td>Broncos</td> <td>3</td> <td>3</td> <td>6</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Tony Romo</td> <td>Cowboys</td> <td>3</td> <td>4</td> <td>7</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Trent Edwards</td> <td>Jaguars</td> <td>3</td> <td>8</td> <td>11</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Brian Brohm</td> <td>Bills</td> <td>2</td> <td>1</td> <td>3</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Brodie Croyle</td> <td>Chiefs</td> <td>2</td> <td>2</td> <td>4</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Bruce Gradkowski</td> <td>Raiders</td> <td>2</td> <td>8</td> <td>10</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Charlie Batch</td> <td>Steelers</td> <td>2</td> <td>2</td> <td>4</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Matt Flynn</td> <td>Packers</td> <td>2</td> <td>5</td> <td>7</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Matt Moore</td> <td>Panthers</td> <td>2</td> <td>10</td> <td>12</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Todd Collins</td> <td>Bears</td> <td>2</td> <td>0</td> <td>2</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Tyler Thigpen</td> <td>Dolphins</td> <td>2</td> <td>8</td> <td>10</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Bryon Leftwich</td> <td>Steelers</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> <td>2</td> </tr> <tr> <td>David Carr</td> <td>Texans</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> <td>2</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Eli Manning</td> <td>Giants</td> <td>1</td> <td>15</td> <td>16</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jake Delhomme</td> <td>Browns</td> <td>1</td> <td>5</td> <td>6</td> </tr> <tr> <td>John Skelton</td> <td>Cardinals</td> <td>1</td> <td>8</td> <td>9</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Joshua Cribbs</td> <td>Browns</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Josh Johnson</td> <td>Buccaneers</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Kerry Collins</td> <td>Titans</td> <td>1</td> <td>12</td> <td>13</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Leon Washington</td> <td>Seahawks</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Matt Stafford</td> <td>Lions</td> <td>1</td> <td>3</td> <td>4</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Peyton Manning</td> <td>Colts</td> <td>1</td> <td>14</td> <td>15</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Richard Bartel</td> <td>Cardinals</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> <td>2</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Tarvaris Jackson</td> <td>Vikings</td> <td>1</td> <td>5</td> <td>6</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Tyler Palko</td> <td>Chiefs</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> <td>2</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Brian St. Pierre</td> <td>Panthers</td> <td>0</td> <td>3</td> <td>3</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Caleb Hanie</td> <td>Bears</td> <td>0</td> <td>2</td> <td>2</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Chase Daniels</td> <td>Saints</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jordan Palmer</td> <td>Bengals</td> <td>0</td> <td>2</td> <td>2</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Mark Brunell</td> <td>Jets</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rusty Smith</td> <td>Titans</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Stephen McGee</td> <td>Cowboys</td> <td>0</td> <td>2</td> <td>2</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Todd Bouman</td> <td>Jaguars</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Tony Pike</td> <td>Panthers</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td></tr></tbody></table>

BigRichard
02-23-2011, 05:37 PM
It is truly amazing that they actually keep this stat.

Mr. Laz
02-23-2011, 05:42 PM
the fact the payton manning only held the ball for more then 3 seconds once in a season is crazy.

Dante84
02-23-2011, 05:44 PM
Shaun Smith testicle joke!!!``222@

BigRichard
02-23-2011, 05:53 PM
the fact the payton manning only held the ball for more then 3 seconds once in a season is crazy.

I think it says he was only sacked once after 3 seconds or I could have missed you making a joke about it.

JASONSAUTO
02-23-2011, 05:55 PM
the fact the payton manning only held the ball for more then 3 seconds once in a season is crazy.
reading fail?
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Mr. Laz
02-23-2011, 06:06 PM
reading fail?
Posted via Mobile Deviceyes

JASONSAUTO
02-23-2011, 06:25 PM
yes

Lol.
Posted via Mobile Device

Dave Lane
02-23-2011, 06:35 PM
Holy shit Claussen got sacked 29 times in less than 3 seconds and only 5 times over that. And we thought our OL sucked. Saccapoo's head would explode.

milkman
02-23-2011, 06:48 PM
Holy shit Claussen got sacked 29 times in less than 3 seconds and only 5 times over that. And we thought our OL sucked. Saccapoo's head would explode.

And for all his bitching and moaning about the O-line, fewer than half of Matt Cassel's sacks came in under 3 seconds.

Would have been even fewer if they had played Asomaoh at LT more.

SNR
02-23-2011, 07:14 PM
Sacked 52 times. 33 when holding the ball under 3 seconds.

No wonder Jane Cutler is such a wuss

jd1020
02-23-2011, 08:23 PM
And for all his bitching and moaning about the O-line, fewer than half of Matt Cassel's sacks came in under 3 seconds.

Would have been even fewer if they had played Asomaoh at LT more.

You can draw a straight line from O-line to sacks. The QB is not responsible for reading a defense, calling an audible, or throwing the ball away because of a broken play.

milkman
02-23-2011, 08:29 PM
You can draw a straight line from O-line to sacks. The QB is not responsible for reading a defense, calling an audible, or throwing the ball away because of a broken play.

What?

jd1020
02-23-2011, 08:31 PM
What?

Huh?

See. I can do it too.

L.A. Chieffan
02-23-2011, 08:34 PM
who was flaccos qb coach last year

milkman
02-23-2011, 08:35 PM
Huh?

See. I can do it too.

Mine was an actual question.

Are you trying to tell me that the QB can make his line look worse than it actually is because he fails to do some fundamental things?

milkman
02-23-2011, 08:36 PM
who was flaccos qb coach last year

The same guy that was Hasselbeck's QB coach in Seattle for a number of years.

jd1020
02-23-2011, 08:40 PM
Mine was an actual question.

Are you trying to tell me that the QB can make his line look worse than it actually is because he fails to do some fundamental things?

I'm not trying to tell you anything. I'm simply stating a fact, known by all (or almost all), that a QB is not responsible for any of the things I mentioned. Every sack lies in the hands of the O-line.

If there are 6 defenders rushing the QB and only 5 players to defend him then its the lines fault for not picking up the extra rusher and not the QB's fault for making the correct adjustment.

milkman
02-23-2011, 08:43 PM
I'm not trying to tell you anything. I'm simply stating a fact, known by all (or almost all), that a QB is not responsible for any of the things I mentioned. Every sack lies in the hands of the O-line.

If there are 6 defenders rushing the QB and only 5 players to defend him then its the lines fault for not picking up the extra rusher and not the QB's fault for making the correct adjustment.

Well, aren't you just a limp dick.

jd1020
02-23-2011, 08:44 PM
Well, aren't you just a limp dick.

Says the idiot to the expert.

milkman
02-23-2011, 08:46 PM
Says the idiot to the expert.

LMAO

Rain Man
02-24-2011, 09:56 AM
Sacked 52 times. 33 when holding the ball under 3 seconds.

No wonder Jane Cutler is such a wuss


Yeah, that one really stands out, doesn't it?