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teedubya
02-24-2011, 02:19 PM
So much for moving to Canada.

I know it's from a kook website... Canada.com

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=403d90d6-7a61-41ac-8cef-902a1d14879d&k=14984

Canada and the U.S. have signed an agreement that paves the way for the militaries from either nation to send troops across each other’s borders during an emergency, but some are questioning why the Harper government has kept silent on the deal.

Neither the Canadian government nor the Canadian Forces announced the new agreement, which was signed Feb. 14 in Texas.

The U.S. military’s Northern Command, however, publicized the agreement with a statement outlining how its top officer, Gen. Gene Renuart, and Canadian Lt.-Gen. Marc Dumais, head of Canada Command, signed the plan, which allows the military from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation during a civil emergency.

The new agreement has been greeted with suspicion by the left wing in Canada and the right wing in the U.S.

The left-leaning Council of Canadians, which is campaigning against what it calls the increasing integration of the U.S. and Canadian militaries, is raising concerns about the deal.

“It’s kind of a trend when it comes to issues of Canada-U.S. relations and contentious issues like military integration. We see that this government is reluctant to disclose information to Canadians that is readily available on American and Mexican websites,” said Stuart Trew, a researcher with the Council of Canadians.

Trew said there is potential for the agreement to militarize civilian responses to emergency incidents. He noted that work is also underway for the two nations to put in place a joint plan to protect common infrastructure such as roadways and oil pipelines.

“Are we going to see (U.S.) troops on our soil for minor potential threats to a pipeline or a road?” he asked.

Trew also noted the U.S. military does not allow its soldiers to operate under foreign command so there are questions about who controls American forces if they are requested for service in Canada. “We don’t know the answers because the government doesn’t want to even announce the plan,” he said.

But Canada Command spokesman Commander David Scanlon said it will be up to civilian authorities in both countries on whether military assistance is requested or even used.

He said the agreement is “benign” and simply sets the stage for military-to-military co-operation if the governments approve.

“But there’s no agreement to allow troops to come in,” he said. “It facilitates planning and co-ordination between the two militaries. The ‘allow’ piece is entirely up to the two governments.”

If U.S. forces were to come into Canada they would be under tactical control of the Canadian Forces but still under the command of the U.S. military, Scanlon added.

News of the deal, and the allegation it was kept secret in Canada, is already making the rounds on left-wing blogs and Internet sites as an example of the dangers of the growing integration between the two militaries.

On right-wing blogs in the U.S. it is being used as evidence of a plan for a “North American union” where foreign troops, not bound by U.S. laws, could be used by the American federal government to override local authorities.

“Co-operative militaries on Home Soil!” notes one website. “The next time your town has a ‘national emergency,’ don’t be surprised if Canadian soldiers respond. And remember — Canadian military aren’t bound by posse comitatus.”

Posse comitatus is a U.S. law that prohibits the use of federal troops from conducting law enforcement duties on domestic soil unless approved by Congress.

Scanlon said there was no intent to keep the agreement secret on the Canadian side of the border. He noted it will be reported on in the Canadian Forces newspaper next week and that publication will be put on the Internet.

Scanlon said the actual agreement hasn’t been released to the public as that requires approval from both nations. That decision has not yet been taken, he added.

© (c) CanWest MediaWorks Publications Inc.

blaise
02-24-2011, 02:20 PM
"Hey, guys. Which way does this gun point, eh?"

vailpass
02-24-2011, 02:20 PM
Canada is a damn good neighbor. Then there is Mexico, the Cousin Eddy of the continent.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-24-2011, 02:21 PM
Canada is a damn good neighbor. Then there is Mexico.

Ya it's not like we could find another country to send troops into America to police us.

teedubya
02-24-2011, 02:23 PM
UN Troops will be here eventually.

vailpass
02-24-2011, 02:25 PM
Ya it's not like we could find another country to send troops into America to police us.

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alnorth
02-24-2011, 07:02 PM
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here, this may help.

The new agreement has been greeted with suspicion by the left wing in Canada and the right wing in the U.S.

LiveSteam
02-24-2011, 08:05 PM
UN Troops will be here eventually.

Then they will die! HEAR.

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bevischief
02-25-2011, 03:14 PM
Canada is a damn good neighbor. Then there is Mexico, the Cousin Eddy of the continent.

ROFL


Does the Canadian army even have any guns?

BucEyedPea
02-25-2011, 03:18 PM
UN Troops will be here eventually.

I can see it happening.


If we're going to be pesky interventionists around the world enforcing UN Resolutions we'll have to accept our day under this too. Time to start acting more neutral regarding the conflicts of others if we want to maintain our independence.

ClevelandBronco
02-25-2011, 03:18 PM
ROFL


Does the Canadian army even have any guns?

At least one:

Former Canadian Forces Sniper Rob Furlong discusses his world record shot of 2,430m in Afghanistan during Operation Anaconda in 2002 and his subsequent treatment by the military. Also includes some reporting from the Canadian Forces sniper school. Broadcast on CBC Sunday Report on September 9, 2007(cbc.ca)

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ClevelandBronco
02-25-2011, 03:21 PM
How much you want to bet she peeked?

Otter
02-25-2011, 03:27 PM
Canada is a damn good neighbor. Then there is Mexico, the Cousin Eddy of the continent.

Please don't insult Cousin Eddie.

chiefsnorth
02-25-2011, 03:28 PM
Teedubya is so paranoid he lays awake at night afraid of the Canadian military. Now that is batshittery.

teedubya
02-25-2011, 06:31 PM
Teedubya is so paranoid he lays awake at night afraid of the Canadian military. Now that is batshittery.

I'm not paranoid at all.

Remember posse comitatus? Where military could not be used in civil disputes... well, that is gone and now OTHER countries militaries are free to join in.

Just showing you sheep where the civil liberties have eroded.

orange
02-25-2011, 06:35 PM
ROFL


Does the Canadian army even have any guns?

At least one:

Former Canadian Forces Sniper Rob Furlong discusses his world record shot of 2,430m in Afghanistan during Operation Anaconda in 2002 and his subsequent treatment by the military.


The Canadian army has actually always been considered excellent - small but outstanding. At least since WWI anyway.

Bill Parcells
02-25-2011, 06:36 PM
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Bill Parcells
02-25-2011, 06:38 PM
The Canadian army has actually always been considered excellent - small but outstanding. At least since WWI anyway.

This is true.

Norman Einstein
02-25-2011, 07:49 PM
(Pussy Communist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act)) Posse Comitatus Act pretty much makes the OP null and void.

The statute prohibits Army and Air Force personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Navy, and Marine Corps are prohibited by Department of Defense Directive, not by the Act itself. The Coast Guard, under the Department of Homeland Security, is exempt from the Act.

teedubya
02-25-2011, 08:24 PM
(Pussy Communist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act)) Posse Comitatus Act pretty much makes the OP null and void.

The statute prohibits Army and Air Force personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Navy, and Marine Corps are prohibited by Department of Defense Directive, not by the Act itself. The Coast Guard, under the Department of Homeland Security, is exempt from the Act.

Yeah, except your boy, Bush, did away with it.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-27-2011, 02:56 AM
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KILLER_CLOWN
02-27-2011, 03:07 AM
Brzezinski: "Its easier to kill a million people...than it is to control them"

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KILLER_CLOWN
02-27-2011, 03:11 AM
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The_Doctor10
02-27-2011, 04:45 AM
I'm not paranoid at all.

Remember posse comitatus? Where military could not be used in civil disputes... well, that is gone and now OTHER countries militaries are free to join in.

Just showing you sheep where the civil liberties have eroded.

I think these sort of 'civil emergencies' refer to disasters like Katrina. Or, in the case of Toronto, when it snows more than a foot.