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HonestChieffan
02-25-2011, 09:47 PM
No wonder unions are a mess.


So, you like $3.00 Gas...$4.00 Gas....what if we just tack on another buck in a new tax? Union leadership think its a dandy idea!!!!

This guy has a direct line to Obama.

(Yahoo! News)- What’s the best way to get Americans back to work?

Raise taxes, according to AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka. Specifically, he wants to raise the federal gas tax as a means to fund infrastructure spending. “We need a dedicated source of revenue to create infrastructure in this country,” he tells Aaron Task in the accompanying clip.

“We need to create jobs. The best way to do that is through infrastructure development.” Simply maintaining the existing infrastructure in this country will cost $2.2 trillion over five years, according to the American Society of Civil Engineers. That doesn’t include Obama’s objective of high-speed rails and green energy projects.

Trumka didn’t say specifically how much he would raise the gas tax, but mentioned he’s shown the President a $256 billion plan to improve infrastructure. If every billion spent on infrastructure creates 35,000 jobs, as he claims, this package would create close to 9 million jobs over the next five years.

The idea would also improve America’s fiscal and competitive future, says Trumka. “There’s also a downstream effect, you put people back to work, they pay taxes, they don’t use services, they’re contributing, other jobs are created along the way as well,” he explains.

Keep reading…http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/afl-cio-chief-raising-taxes-will-create-more-job-535955.html?tickers=xlf,skf,%5Edji,%5Egspc,ge,iyj,xom&sec=topStories&pos=9&asset=&ccode=

go bowe
02-26-2011, 12:13 AM
raising taxes, hmmmm...

not a good way to start a discussion these days...

i agree with the guy when he talks about the downstream effect, particularly the part about not using services as a savings...

i hadn't thought of that but it does sound like a useful way to address entitlement spending...

Chiefspants
02-26-2011, 12:37 AM
I'm not entirely opposed to having taxes at the level they were during the Clinton Era in times of Economic prosperity, however, a raise in taxes in these times of economic uncertainty seems like it could spur far reaching consequences throughout our society.

whatsmynameagain
02-26-2011, 07:17 AM
It's insane how well we have it compared to other nations and some want you to believe we are living in a shit hole.

chiefzilla1501
02-26-2011, 07:49 AM
raising taxes, hmmmm...

not a good way to start a discussion these days...

i agree with the guy when he talks about the downstream effect, particularly the part about not using services as a savings...

i hadn't thought of that but it does sound like a useful way to address entitlement spending...

Of course he's going to say that. And there's some small truth to that. But here's the better argument. The unions that are protecting shitty, lazy workers who aren't accountable for their jobs... how about we actually force them to be productive, which makes our products better and more competitive in the global market, and in the case of the public sector, allows us to do better work more efficiently which allows us to cut taxes?

Or how about this... if you make the public sector more efficient, you can cut taxes on small businesses, who are far more capable of creating jobs.

I'm not going to pay more taxes to pay for a few more unproductive workers.

redsurfer11
02-26-2011, 08:31 AM
raising taxes, hmmmm...

not a good way to start a discussion these days...

i agree with the guy when he talks about the downstream effect, particularly the part about not using services as a savings...

i hadn't thought of that but it does sound like a useful way to address entitlement spending...


More taxes=Union Jobs=More Union dues=Trumka gets richer. This is putting the Fox in charge of the hen house.

Donger
02-26-2011, 08:38 AM
I know that when I was a small boy, I dreamed of building roads and railways. It really is my dream job.

These people, Obama included, really need to get out of the 1930s.

tmax63
02-26-2011, 08:53 AM
Down stream effect? It sounds like the socialist version of trickle-down economics using tax money.

stevieray
02-26-2011, 08:57 AM
It's insane how well we have it compared to other nations

...that's their whole motivation to redistribute the wealth.

Dreams FROM my father.

please try to keep up.

headsnap
02-26-2011, 10:11 AM
If every billion spent on infrastructure creates 35,000 jobs, as he claims, this package would create close to 9 million (Union) jobs over the next five years.


yup...

fan4ever
02-26-2011, 10:38 AM
It's insane how well we have it compared to other nations and some want you to believe we are living in a shit hole.

...yet liberals are the first ones to try and make us believe the rest of the world does things better/smarter than we.

Okie_Apparition
02-26-2011, 10:42 AM
The last time gas hit $3+ bucks a gallon the economy started it's slide into the sewer. Gas prices are the anchor log at the bottom of the jenga pile. Wut? Farmers don't plant, fertilize and harvest their crops by computer. Stone age morons better get up to speed.

joesomebody
02-26-2011, 11:19 AM
Our infrastructure is bad/horrible. A higher gas tax isn't th answer though. We need new technology when it comes to roads though.

As to the internet, electric, and phone line infrastructure that should and needs to be paid for by the private sector and or the coops that currently exist.

Water pipes and water plants are a big concern though.

go bowe
02-26-2011, 11:55 AM
Of course he's going to say that. And there's some small truth to that. But here's the better argument. The unions that are protecting shitty, lazy workers who aren't accountable for their jobs... how about we actually force them to be productive, which makes our products better and more competitive in the global market, and in the case of the public sector, allows us to do better work more efficiently which allows us to cut taxes?

Or how about this... if you make the public sector more efficient, you can cut taxes on small businesses, who are far more capable of creating jobs.

I'm not going to pay more taxes to pay for a few more unproductive workers.a few more?

the article is claiming 9 million jobs could be created with an major infrastructure rebuilding project...

go bowe
02-26-2011, 11:57 AM
More taxes=Union Jobs=More Union dues=Trumka gets richer. This is putting the Fox in charge of the hen house.tee hee, he said fox...

fox news in charge of the hen house... :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

go bowe
02-26-2011, 12:01 PM
...yet liberals are the first ones to try and make us believe the rest of the world does things better/smarter than we.better and smarter?

cheaper, for sure, but i don't know about better...

smarter? probably not although our test scores in math and science are lagging behind...

go bowe
02-26-2011, 01:00 PM
Our infrastructure is bad/horrible. A higher gas tax isn't th answer though. We need new technology when it comes to roads though.

As to the internet, electric, and phone line infrastructure that should and needs to be paid for by the private sector and or the coops that currently exist.

Water pipes and water plants are a big concern though.i agree with everything you said, except for having the private sector rebuild the electric grid...

i think the electric grid is just as important as roads, if not more so...

and there is too much for the electric companies to do and the cost is prohibitive (or they would have already done it)...

the government will have to rebuild the electric grid...

chiefzilla1501
02-26-2011, 01:32 PM
a few more?

the article is claiming 9 million jobs could be created with an major infrastructure rebuilding project...

Well yeah, when you raise taxes and force taxpayers to pay more money, then you create jobs. But not for free. And given how inefficient union workers often are, because they don't have much accountability for good work, I'm not getting very much bang for the buck. As someone else on this thread said, let the private sector compete for those contracts--at least they're forced to be held accountable for a job poorly done.

By the way, for every job you create, how many do you kill? How many businesses are shipping a shitload of cargo every single day--higher costs = less jobs. How many people will try to conserve gas and make less trips to the grocery store to buy food, to the mall to buy clothes, etc...? This doesn't just hurt taxpayers. This would be an enormous cost to businesses so we can employ a bunch of inefficient workers. Awesome.

AndChiefs
02-26-2011, 02:09 PM
No wonder unions are a mess.


So, you like $3.00 Gas...$4.00 Gas....what if we just tack on another buck in a new tax? Union leadership think its a dandy idea!!!!

This guy has a direct line to Obama.

(Yahoo! News)- What’s the best way to get Americans back to work?

Raise taxes, according to AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka. Specifically, he wants to raise the federal gas tax as a means to fund infrastructure spending. “We need a dedicated source of revenue to create infrastructure in this country,” he tells Aaron Task in the accompanying clip.

“We need to create jobs. The best way to do that is through infrastructure development.” Simply maintaining the existing infrastructure in this country will cost $2.2 trillion over five years, according to the American Society of Civil Engineers. That doesn’t include Obama’s objective of high-speed rails and green energy projects.

Trumka didn’t say specifically how much he would raise the gas tax, but mentioned he’s shown the President a $256 billion plan to improve infrastructure. If every billion spent on infrastructure creates 35,000 jobs, as he claims, this package would create close to 9 million jobs over the next five years.

The idea would also improve America’s fiscal and competitive future, says Trumka. “There’s also a downstream effect, you put people back to work, they pay taxes, they don’t use services, they’re contributing, other jobs are created along the way as well,” he explains.

Keep reading…http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/afl-cio-chief-raising-taxes-will-create-more-job-535955.html?tickers=xlf,skf,%5Edji,%5Egspc,ge,iyj,xom&sec=topStories&pos=9&asset=&ccode=

Let's see....

256 Billion/9 million jobs = $28,444 a job - cost of materials

Are all of these workers going to be illegal immigrants working for 2 bucks an hour?

alpha_omega
02-26-2011, 02:17 PM
How about we just siphon off the union dues instead of a tax?

ClevelandBronco
02-26-2011, 04:26 PM
I'd be willing to pay union wages to a crew that would bury Mr. Trumka's body, lifeless or still breathing.

Calcountry
02-26-2011, 04:47 PM
No wonder unions are a mess.


So, you like $3.00 Gas...$4.00 Gas....what if we just tack on another buck in a new tax? Union leadership think its a dandy idea!!!!

This guy has a direct line to Obama.

(Yahoo! News)- What’s the best way to get Americans back to work?

Raise taxes, according to AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka. Specifically, he wants to raise the federal gas tax as a means to fund infrastructure spending. “We need a dedicated source of revenue to create infrastructure in this country,” he tells Aaron Task in the accompanying clip.

“We need to create jobs. The best way to do that is through infrastructure development.” Simply maintaining the existing infrastructure in this country will cost $2.2 trillion over five years, according to the American Society of Civil Engineers. That doesn’t include Obama’s objective of high-speed rails and green energy projects.

Trumka didn’t say specifically how much he would raise the gas tax, but mentioned he’s shown the President a $256 billion plan to improve infrastructure. If every billion spent on infrastructure creates 35,000 jobs, as he claims, this package would create close to 9 million jobs over the next five years.

The idea would also improve America’s fiscal and competitive future, says Trumka. “There’s also a downstream effect, you put people back to work, they pay taxes, they don’t use services, they’re contributing, other jobs are created along the way as well,” he explains.

Keep reading…http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/afl-cio-chief-raising-taxes-will-create-more-job-535955.html?tickers=xlf,skf,%5Edji,%5Egspc,ge,iyj,xom&sec=topStories&pos=9&asset=&ccode=It is clear, raise taxes only on NON UNION employees.

Bewbies
02-26-2011, 06:16 PM
I know that when I was a small boy, I dreamed of building roads and railways. It really is my dream job.

These people, Obama included, really need to get out of the 1930s.
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googlegoogle
02-27-2011, 01:52 AM
http://biggovernment.com/jhoft/2010/09/27/afl-cio-prez-trumka-we-need-tore-establish-popular-control-over-private-corporations/

The Mad Crapper
02-27-2011, 07:19 AM
http://www.moonbattery.com/entitlement-bunch.jpg

whatsmynameagain
02-27-2011, 09:45 AM
...that's their whole motivation to redistribute the wealth.

Dreams FROM my father.

please try to keep up.

Both sides have their plans and none of them help you, I get it. When times are good government gets no love. When times are bad, its government's fault. A lot of the weak are simply being exposed as such, crying for government help only for himself.

vailpass
02-27-2011, 10:01 AM
Our infrastructure is bad/horrible. A higher gas tax isn't th answer though. We need new technology when it comes to roads though.

As to the internet, electric, and phone line infrastructure that should and needs to be paid for by the private sector and or the coops that currently exist.

Water pipes and water plants are a big concern though.

Yes. National parks, bridges, roads are also of major concern.

I was for infrastructure spending/job creation from the beginning. That is where the billions in wall street bail out $$ should have went, IMHO. That is where the most good from that money would have been realized both short and long term.

Garcia Bronco
02-28-2011, 11:16 AM
We already collect taxes for infrastructure and governments decide to spend it else where.

chiefsnorth
02-28-2011, 11:30 AM
As usual, the union's position is, screw everyone else out of as much money as possible to the benefit of the few rather than many

AndChiefs
02-28-2011, 11:31 AM
I'd be willing to pay union wages to a crew that would bury Mr. Trumka's body, lifeless or still breathing.

I don't know if that's a good idea....they'll get you on the hook for some pension benefits and (near) free health care if you're not careful.

go bowe
02-28-2011, 02:28 PM
Well yeah, when you raise taxes and force taxpayers to pay more money, then you create jobs. But not for free. And given how inefficient union workers often are, because they don't have much accountability for good work, I'm not getting very much bang for the buck. As someone else on this thread said, let the private sector compete for those contracts--at least they're forced to be held accountable for a job poorly done.

By the way, for every job you create, how many do you kill? How many businesses are shipping a shitload of cargo every single day--higher costs = less jobs. How many people will try to conserve gas and make less trips to the grocery store to buy food, to the mall to buy clothes, etc...? This doesn't just hurt taxpayers. This would be an enormous cost to businesses so we can employ a bunch of inefficient workers. Awesome.the raising taxes part isn't very appealing, but i think the way it works is that the private sector does compete for those contracts...

and i don't think the 9 million includes a lot of government jobs, and many contractors have union labor and still manage to get contracts on a competitive basis...