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HonestChieffan
02-27-2011, 09:56 AM
Rubicon: A river in Wisconsin
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, February 25, 2011


The magnificent turmoil now gripping statehouses in Wisconsin, Ohio, Indiana and soon others marks an epic political moment. The nation faces a fiscal crisis of historic proportions and, remarkably, our muddled, gridlocked, allegedly broken politics have yielded singular clarity.


At the federal level, President Obama's budget makes clear that Democrats are determined to do nothing about the debt crisis, while House Republicans have announced that beyond their proposed cuts in discretionary spending, their April budget will actually propose real entitlement reform. Simultaneously, in Wisconsin and other states, Republican governors are taking on unsustainable, fiscally ruinous pension and health-care obligations, while Democrats are full-throated in support of the public-employee unions crying, "Hell, no."

A choice, not an echo: Democrats desperately defending the status quo; Republicans charging the barricades.

Wisconsin is the epicenter. It began with economic issues. When Gov. Scott Walker proposed that state workers contribute more to their pension and health-care benefits, he started a revolution. Teachers called in sick. Schools closed. Demonstrators massed at the capitol. Democratic senators fled the state to paralyze the Legislature.

Unfortunately for them, that telegenic faux-Cairo scene drew national attention to the dispute - and to the sweetheart deals the public-sector unions had negotiated for themselves for years. They were contributing a fifth of a penny on a dollar of wages to their pensions and one-fourth what private-sector workers pay for health insurance.

The unions quickly understood that the more than 85 percent of Wisconsin not part of this privileged special-interest group would not take kindly to "public servants" resisting adjustments that still leave them paying less for benefits than private-sector workers. They immediately capitulated and claimed they were only protesting the other part of the bill, the part about collective-bargaining rights.

Indeed. Walker understands that a one-time giveback means little. The state's financial straits - a $3.6 billion budget shortfall over the next two years - did not come out of nowhere. They came largely from a half-century-long power imbalance between the unions and the politicians with whom they collectively bargain.



In the private sector, the capitalist knows that when he negotiates with the union, if he gives away the store, he loses his shirt. In the public sector, the politicians who approve any deal have none of their own money at stake. On the contrary, the more favorably they dispose of union demands, the more likely they are to be the beneficiary of union largess in the next election. It's the perfect cozy setup.

To redress these perverse incentives that benefit both negotiating parties at the expense of the taxpayer, Walker's bill would restrict future government-union negotiations to wages only. Excluded from negotiations would be benefits, the more easily hidden sweeteners that come due long after the politicians who negotiated them are gone. The bill would also require that unions be recertified every year and that dues be voluntary.

Recognizing this threat to union power, the Democratic Party is pouring money and fury into the fight. Fewer than 7 percent of private-sector workers are unionized. The Democrats' strength lies in government workers, who now constitute a majority of union members and provide massive support to the party. For them, Wisconsin represents a dangerous contagion.

Hence the import of the current moment - its blinding clarity. Here stand the Democrats, avatars of reactionary liberalism, desperately trying to hang on to the gains of their glory years - from unsustainable federal entitlements for the elderly enacted when life expectancy was 62 to the massive promissory notes issued to government unions when state coffers were full and no one was looking.

Obama's Democrats have become the party of no. Real cuts to the federal budget? No. Entitlement reform? No. Tax reform? No. Breaking the corrupt and fiscally unsustainable symbiosis between public-sector unions and state governments? Hell, no.

We have heard everyone - from Obama's own debt commission to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff - call the looming debt a mortal threat to the nation. We have watched Greece self-immolate. We can see the future. The only question has been: When will the country finally rouse itself?

Amazingly, the answer is: now. Led by famously progressive Wisconsin - Scott Walker at the state level and Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan at the congressional level - a new generation of Republicans has looked at the debt and is crossing the Rubicon. Recklessly principled, they are putting the question to the nation: Are we a serious people?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/24/AR2011022406520.html

mnchiefsguy
02-27-2011, 12:13 PM
Excellent article.

Chiefshrink
02-27-2011, 12:44 PM
They (Marxist Dems) have been the party of "NO" for decades and especially to let's see:hmmm:

God
The Constitution
Freedom of Speech
Defending our Country not to mention ourselves as "citizens"
Family
etc....

And the list goes on:rolleyes:

Marxists are against this same type of list as well, uh?:shrug:
Actions speak louder than words and some on this board say I use the term "Marxist" waaaaaaaaaaay too much. I think not.:shake:

Progressive Liberal = Marxism 'straight up':thumb:

Good article:thumb:

The Mad Crapper
02-27-2011, 12:48 PM
Democrats desperately defending the status quo

But I thought B.O. was all about "change". :rolleyes:

Oh wait, it must have been only the taxpayers he was talking to when he said "you have to turn down the thermostat" and "forego a vacation".

YOU have to sacrifice so WE can still party.

http://wtfhub.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/barack-obama-blow-up-doll.jpg

Chiefshrink
02-27-2011, 12:50 PM
But I thought B.O. was all about "change". :rolleyes:

Oh wait, it must have been only the taxpayers he was talking to when he said "you have to turn down the thermostat" and "forego a vacation".

YOU have to sacrifice so WE can still party.

http://wtfhub.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/barack-obama-blow-up-doll.jpg

It's nice to see you have fallen off the wagon:thumb:

The Mad Crapper
02-27-2011, 01:43 PM
It's nice to see you have fallen off the wagon:thumb:

This country is going right down the shitter. I can't believe how bad it's gotten, and everybody is still playing emporers new clothes with the moron.

Chiefshrink
02-27-2011, 01:46 PM
everybody is still playing emporers new clothes with the moron.

He doesn't even have a "speedo" on at this point:thumb:

The Mad Crapper
02-27-2011, 03:22 PM
He doesn't even have a "speedo" on at this point:thumb:

It's embarrassing. You read the papers, watch the news....

What country do these idiots live in?!

HonestChieffan
02-28-2011, 07:46 AM
Maybe they are the party of yes...yes you can go do union work while taxpayers pay you.....http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/union_classic_le_en_jrQKCmKdjWQbMAtzqHASxI

go bowe
02-28-2011, 11:24 AM
This country is going right down the shitter. I can't believe how bad it's gotten, and everybody is still playing emporers new clothes with the moron.how bad has it gotten? /ed mcmahon

HonestChieffan
02-28-2011, 12:49 PM
how bad has it gotten? /ed mcmahon

So bad
You...
Posted
on
one line.

The Mad Crapper
02-28-2011, 01:13 PM
And the pathetic part is, no matter how all this plays out (and it will be bad) the media of course will create a BS narrative blaming it all on the R's.

And of course, the economy was just on the brink of recovery, when the high gas prices hit to derail it, and of course, that will be all Bush's fault.

It really is sad the way everybody wants to dance around the fact that Obama is a disastrous failure.

go bowe
02-28-2011, 01:21 PM
So bad
You...
Posted
on
one line.ya got me... :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

2bikemike
03-01-2011, 12:07 AM
Maybe they are the party of yes...yes you can go do union work while taxpayers pay you.....http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/union_classic_le_en_jrQKCmKdjWQbMAtzqHASxI

This is freaking ridiculous. Our Government at work wasting taxpayer dollars. With Government wasting roughly 50 cents on the dollar I don't want to hear any bitching about not taking in enough revenue.

T-post Tom
03-01-2011, 12:15 AM
This thread has yellow eyes.
http://cdn.photos.tmz.com/gallery_images/images/2009/12/83240715_full.jpg

RubberSponge
03-01-2011, 08:25 AM
They (Marxist Dems) have been the party of "NO" for decades and especially to let's see:hmmm:

God
The Constitution
Freedom of Speech
Defending our Country not to mention ourselves as "citizens"
Family
etc....

And the list goes on:rolleyes:

Marxists are against this same type of list as well, uh?:shrug:
Actions speak louder than words and some on this board say I use the term "Marxist" waaaaaaaaaaay too much. I think not.:shake:

Progressive Liberal = Marxism 'straight up':thumb:

Good article:thumb:

Hmm. Interesting world you are making for yourself. Does that come with or without medication? You poopbutt.

I'm going to say this once and once only. I had friends I served with that just happened to identify themselves as liberal democrats that have died in defense of this nation while you sat on your ass at home. You spit on their graves. You spit on their gold star mothers with your words.

You say actions speak louder than words. Where are your action mother****er? You went to college for an education for yourself. You played baseball in college for yourself. What exactly have you done in your life that required real sacrifice? Nothing. That's what. You have your 11yr old look up political shit in the internet for you because are too lazy while under the disguise that you're trying to teach him something.

So Mr. Actions speak louder than words. When have you rucked up, grabbed a weapon and joined the fight? You won't. You know why? Because your a pussy that does nothing that doesn't involve some reward for yourself. And let's count your salvation with that too. You're despicable.