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HonestChieffan
02-27-2011, 09:30 PM
When will we say enough is enough?



President Obama must embrace Islam as a way of life or face the consequences of a trial under the Shariah Islamic court system, declared British extremist cleric Anjem Choudary.

Choudary, founder and former chief of two Islamic groups disbanded by the British authorities under anti-terror legislation, is planning a Washington protest later this week in which he says he will call on American Muslims to revolt against the country and implement Shariah law.

Speaking in an interview with investigative reporter Aaron Klein on his program on New York’s WABC Radio, Choudary claimed Obama was waging a war against Islam.

“[Obama] has promised all Muslims to be released from Guantanamo Bay. They are still languishing there even though he knows they are completely innocent,” Choudary claimed.

“On top of that, he’s increased the number of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, so he is a warmonger just as his predecessor was. And thirdly and more importantly,” Choudary said, “the Muslims don’t want democracy and freedom. Democracy and freedom are anathema to Islam and the Shariah.”

Choudary said that at his protest, scheduled to take place Thursday in front of the White House, he will call on Obama and all Americans to “embrace Islam, not only as a religion but as a way of life.”

Choudary continued: “And at the same time, we will be issuing a warning that the presence of U.S. forces and U.S. personnel in Muslim countries, looking out for their interests, at the moment is very, very insecure. I think the Muslims are boiling angry around the world. This is something [Americans] should take very seriously.”

He warned Obama: “I do believe that the only way for him to save himself in this life and in the hereafter is to embrace Islam. Islam will eradicate all his sins; he will be like the day his mother gave birth to him. Otherwise, when we do implement the Shariah, obviously he will face the consequences of a trial under the Shariah court.”

More at http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=268989

go bowe
02-27-2011, 09:49 PM
President Obama must embrace Islam as a way of life what?]

i thought he'd already done that...

WV
02-27-2011, 09:54 PM
When will the world realize that these Clerics are one of the biggest issues and just remove them. Too many of them are just extremists hiding behind religion.

LiveSteam
02-27-2011, 09:59 PM
FUCKING PLEASE BY ALL MEANS BRING YOUR SHITTY Shariah law.TO MY STREET.
I can't wait. I have a full blown hard on for all you fucking radical towel heads.
BRING IT! YOU WILL LOSE!

mikey23545
02-27-2011, 10:02 PM
“the Muslims don’t want democracy and freedom. Democracy and freedom are anathema to Islam and the Shariah.”

This should tell you all you will ever need to know about Muslims.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-27-2011, 10:04 PM
“the Muslims don’t want democracy and freedom. Democracy and freedom are anathema to Islam and the Shariah.”

This should tell you all you will ever need to know about Muslims.

or those pretending to speak for everyone. The middle east hate is strong here, but if i may suggest Love for Jesus trumps all.

mikey23545
02-27-2011, 10:08 PM
or those pretending to speak for everyone. The middle east hate is strong here, but if i may suggest Love for Jesus trumps all.

You could try pulling your head out of His ass long enough to get a peek at reality.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-27-2011, 10:19 PM
You could try pulling your head out of His ass long enough to get a peek at reality.

Reality is you are filled with hate, SHOCKER!

LiveSteam
02-27-2011, 10:27 PM
or those pretending to speak for everyone. The middle east hate is strong here, but if i may suggest Love for Jesus trumps all.

Jesus wont stop the radical towel heads.
& yes I hate them. I hate them bad. I & am sick of their disgusting Jihad bull shit religion.
The fact that they killed 2 of my friends absolutely makes me hate them. In ways I didn't not know I could hate. Fuck them.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-27-2011, 10:31 PM
Jesus wont stop the radical towel heads.

:shake: Jesus could stop it all right now if that was HIS plan.

LiveSteam
02-27-2011, 10:34 PM
:shake: Jesus could stop it all right now if that was HIS plan.

Well i hope his plan has a place & time for me to avenge my friends,9/11
& several 100 other probs I have with towel heads. Then he can cast me to hell

SNR
02-27-2011, 10:39 PM
I had no idea my Muslim friend and co-worker wants to impose Shariah Law on me and my family. I mean, I never asked him about it but that's GOTTA be it. This Choudary clown said so.

Good information to know!

KILLER_CLOWN
02-27-2011, 10:40 PM
Well i hope his plan has a place & time for me to avenge my friends,9/11
& several 100 other probs I have with towel heads. Then he can cast me to hell

The Lord knows how to reserve the UNJUST for righteous judgment, you can count on it. You can't let the hate consume you.

LiveSteam
02-27-2011, 10:46 PM
The Lord knows how to reserve the UNJUST for righteous judgment, you can count on it. You can't let the hate consume you.

IT does not consume me. Marijuana is what consumes me.
Just saying, if given the chance. I would love to avenge my friends.
I dnt hate good people that are Muslims. I hate radical TOWEL HEAD Muslims who want to perform genocide on the Christan race. I didnt start this fight.
They did. Live by the sword, die by the butt of my rifle. As I bash your skull in with it.
With that , Im going to go smoke up & mellow out to the Guess Who

RubberSponge
02-27-2011, 11:19 PM
Problems with religious people calling for the death of those who don't believe in the same faith or same practices of that faith spans many religions and is a problem across the globe. Islam isn't the only one.

http://www.examiner.com/statehouse-in-indianapolis/pastor-steven-anderson-calls-for-the-death-of-the-president

LiveSteam
02-27-2011, 11:23 PM
<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/3glIQUauMLc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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Douche Baggins
02-27-2011, 11:45 PM
Say what you want about Obama but I don't believe he is dumb enough to ever cave to Muslim extremists. It's a pretty scary sign that Britain is so far gone into their clutches that this idiot is getting press. Wonder how bad the problem is.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2011, 11:51 PM
Say what you want about Obama but I don't believe he is dumb enough to ever cave to Muslim extremists. It's a pretty scary sign that Britain is so far gone into their clutches that this idiot is getting press. Wonder how bad the problem is.

:spock:

Britain isn't into their clutches in the least. This is a classic example of a reactionary piece meant to inspire jingoist hatred and fear amongst idiots like HCF and mikey.

Douche Baggins
02-27-2011, 11:56 PM
:spock:

Britain isn't into their clutches in the least. This is a classic example of a reactionary piece meant to inspire jingoist hatred and fear amongst idiots like HCF and mikey.

Islam is the #1 religion in Europe.

Their are Islamic extremists running all over Europe like rats. I don't think it's come to that stage yet in the US.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2011, 11:57 PM
Islam is the #1 religion in Europe.
.

That is absolutely false.

Douche Baggins
02-28-2011, 12:03 AM
Sorry, I meant to say "fastest growing."

HonestChieffan
02-28-2011, 06:23 AM
:spock:

Britain isn't into their clutches in the least. This is a classic example of a reactionary piece meant to inspire jingoist hatred and fear amongst idiots like HCF and mikey.


You cannot be serious.

Aries Walker
02-28-2011, 07:11 AM
Say what you want about Obama but I don't believe he is dumb enough to ever cave to Muslim extremists. It's a pretty scary sign that Britain is so far gone into their clutches that this idiot is getting press. Wonder how bad the problem is.
It's not so scary. Westboro Baptist Church gets plenty of press here, and this tool is just about as off the hinges. The media can't wait to print the extreme.

vailpass
02-28-2011, 07:21 AM
It's not so scary. Westboro Baptist Church gets plenty of press here, and this tool is just about as off the hinges. The media can't wait to print the extreme.

You have a point. Though it seems like followers of islam abuse the "go extreme" privelege on a whole different level on a daily basis.

tiptap
02-28-2011, 07:23 AM
Sorry, I meant to say "fastest growing."

Faster than Jehovah Witnesses, Assembly of God or Scientology wow! If you include the resurgence of religion in Russia in this consideration doesn't Orthodox get a big push?

ForeverChiefs58
02-28-2011, 07:28 AM
:spock:

Britain isn't into their clutches in the least. This is a classic example of a reactionary piece meant to inspire jingoist hatred and fear amongst idiots like HCF and mikey.

http://theinsanityreport.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/funny-police-officer-south-park-barbrady.jpg

ForeverChiefs58
02-28-2011, 07:34 AM
It's not so scary. Westboro Baptist Church gets plenty of press here, and this tool is just about as off the hinges. The media can't wait to print the extreme.

people from westboro church don't plant ied's or stap bombs to their chests, or behead people, or fly planes into buildings and kill other people on a daily bases.

Saul Good
02-28-2011, 07:43 AM
people from westboro church don't plant ied's or stap bombs to their chests, or behead people, or fly planes into buildings and kill other people on a daily bases.

Yet they have fewer defenders around here than do the radical Islamists.

donkhater
02-28-2011, 08:55 AM
“the Muslims don’t want democracy and freedom. Democracy and freedom are anathema to Islam and the Shariah.”

This should tell you all you will ever need to know about Muslims.

Not only this, but it also speak to how pointless our nation-building foreign policy is in the Middle East. Islamic nations will not allow democracy to fluorish in their borders.

SNR
02-28-2011, 09:39 AM
people from westboro church don't plant ied's or stap bombs to their chests, or behead people, or fly planes into buildings and kill other people on a daily bases.For fuck's sake.

Is it fair for WBC to represent all Christians? Of course not.

Then it's not fair for Choudary to represent all Muslims. Because even conservative Muslims who practice Sharia Law don't give a rat's ass about what we do in the US, much less if we frame our system of government around their rules.

I don't care if all Muslim extremists are fans of the Denver Broncos and eat 100 babies for breakfast every morning. It's dishonest and naive to look at that narrow viewpoint and paint all Muslims in that light.

go bowe
02-28-2011, 11:07 AM
For ****'s sake.

Is it fair for WBC to represent all Christians? Of course not.

Then it's not fair for Choudary to represent all Muslims. Because even conservative Muslims who practice Sharia Law don't give a rat's ass about what we do in the US, much less if we frame our system of government around their rules.

I don't care if all Muslim extremists are fans of the Denver Broncos and eat 100 babies for breakfast every morning. It's dishonest and naive to look at that narrow viewpoint and paint all Muslims in that light.good job...

you're right on with this observation... :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

ForeverChiefs58
02-28-2011, 11:57 AM
For fuck's sake.

Is it fair for WBC to represent all Christians? Of course not.

Then it's not fair for Choudary to represent all Muslims. Because even conservative Muslims who practice Sharia Law don't give a rat's ass about what we do in the US, much less if we frame our system of government around their rules.

I don't care if all Muslim extremists are fans of the Denver Broncos and eat 100 babies for breakfast every morning. It's dishonest and naive to look at that narrow viewpoint and paint all Muslims in that light.

No one said all muslims are bad. It's also dishonest and naive to try and compare it to another religion because there isn't anything like it. You sure as hell can't compare it to like 10 people whose worst crime is being an asshole with bad taste.

Think of this, we have been bombing their core for 10 years, the soviets did long before us, while we do make gains against them, they are still there, growing, spreading like cancer. It is like nothing you can compare to because there is nothing like it. While true not all believe in this extreme of religion, for every muslim who is against it, I could show you 100,000 more who are for it. For the number that die every day by the words allah akbar, you cannot compare it, it's in a league of its own.

tiptap
02-28-2011, 12:48 PM
As Regimes Fall in Arab World, Al Qaeda Sees History Fly By
By SCOTT SHANE

For nearly two decades, the leaders of Al Qaeda have denounced the Arab world’s dictators as heretics and puppets of the West and called for their downfall. Now, people in country after country have risen to topple their leaders — and Al Qaeda has played absolutely no role.

In fact, the motley opposition movements that have appeared so suddenly and proved so powerful have shunned the two central tenets of the Qaeda credo: murderous violence and religious fanaticism. The demonstrators have used force defensively, treated Islam as an afterthought and embraced democracy, which is anathema to Osama bin Laden and his followers.

So for Al Qaeda — and perhaps no less for the American policies that have been built around the threat it poses — the democratic revolutions that have gripped the world’s attention present a crossroads. Will the terrorist network shrivel slowly to irrelevance? Or will it find a way to exploit the chaos produced by political upheaval and the disappointment that will inevitably follow hopes now raised so high?

For many specialists on terrorism and the Middle East, though not all, the past few weeks have the makings of an epochal disaster for Al Qaeda, making the jihadists look like ineffectual bystanders to history while offering young Muslims an appealing alternative to terrorism.

“So far — and I emphasize so far — the score card looks pretty terrible for Al Qaeda,” said Paul R. Pillar, who studied terrorism and the Middle East for nearly three decades at the C.I.A. and is now at Georgetown University. “Democracy is bad news for terrorists. The more peaceful channels people have to express grievances and pursue their goals, the less likely they are to turn to violence.”

If the terrorists network’s leaders hope to seize the moment, they have been slow off the mark. Mr. bin Laden has been silent. His Egyptian deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, has issued three rambling statements from his presumed hide-out in the Pakistan-Afghanistan border region that seemed oddly out of sync with the news, not noting the ouster of President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, whose government detained and tortured Mr. Zawahri in the 1980s.

“Knocking off Mubarak has been Zawahri’s goal for more than 20 years, and he was unable to achieve it,” said Brian Fishman, a terrorism expert at the New America Foundation. “Now a nonviolent, nonreligious, pro-democracy movement got rid of him in a matter of weeks. It’s a major problem for Al Qaeda.”

The Arab revolutions, of course, remain very much a work in progress, as the Libyan leader, Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, orders a bloody defense of Tripoli, and Yemen’s president, Ali Abdullah Saleh, negotiates to cling to power. The breakdown of order could create havens for terrorist cells, at least for a time — a hazard both Colonel Qaddafi and Mr. Saleh have prevented, winning the gratitude of the American government.

“There’s an operational advantage for militants in any place where law enforcement and domestic security are weak and distracted,” said Steven Simon, a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and co-author of “The Age of Sacred Terror.” But over all, he said, developments in the Arab countries are a strategic defeat for violent jihadism.

“These uprisings have shown that the new generation is not terribly interested in Al Qaeda’s ideology,” Mr. Simon said. He called the Zawahri statements “forlorn, if not pathetic.”

There is evidence that the uprisings have enthralled some jihadists. One Algerian man associated with Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, the network’s North African affiliate, welcomed the uprisings in a weekend interview and said militants were returning from exile to join the battle in Libya, arming themselves from government weapons caches.

“Since the land is in chaos and Qaddafi is helping through his reactions and actions to increase the hatred of the population against him, it will be easier for us to recruit new members,” said the Algerian man, who uses the nom de guerre Abu Salman. He said that Libyans and Tunisians who had fought in Iraq or Afghanistan were now considering a return home.

“There is lots of work to do,” he said. “We have to help the people fighting and then build an Islamic state.”

Abu Khaled, a Jordanian jihadist who fought in Iraq with the insurgent leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, suggested that Al Qaeda would benefit in the long run from dashed hopes.

“At the end of the day, how much change will there really be in Egypt and other countries?” he asked. “There will be many disappointed demonstrators, and that’s when they will realize what the only alternative is. We are certain that this will all play into our hands.”

Michael Scheuer, author of a new biography of Mr. bin Laden and head of the C.I.A.’s bin Laden unit in the late 1990s, thinks such enthusiasm is more than wishful thinking.

Mr. Scheuer says he believes that Americans, including many experts, have wildly misjudged the uprisings by focusing on the secular, English-speaking, Westernized protesters who are a natural draw for television. Thousands of Islamists have been released from prisons in Egypt alone, and the ouster of Al Qaeda’s enemy, Mr. Mubarak, will help revitalize every stripe of Islamism, including that of Al Qaeda and its allies, he said.

“The talent of an organization is not just leadership, but taking advantage of opportunities,” Mr. Scheuer said. In Al Qaeda and its allies, he said, “We’re looking over all at a more geographically widespread, probably numerically bigger and certainly more influential movement than in 2001.”

If Al Qaeda faces an uncertain moment, so does the Obama administration. For a decade, the United States has been preoccupied with the Muslim world as a source of terrorist violence — one reason both the Bush and Obama administrations had friendly relations with the authoritarian governments now under fire.

It was such a dominant theme of American policy that even Colonel Qaddafi, the quixotic and brutal Libyan leader who President Obama said Saturday should step down, had drawn American praise as a bulwark against jihadists. A cable from the American Embassy in Tripoli briefing Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice before a 2008 visit called Libya “a strong partner in the war against terrorism,” noting “excellent” intelligence cooperation and specifically lauding Colonel Qaddafi’s efforts to block the return of Libyan militants from Afghanistan and Iraq and to “blunt the ideological appeal of radical Islam.”

Such perceived dividends of cooperation with the likes of Colonel Qaddafi are now history, and that is a point not lost on the C.I.A., the State Department and the White House. As during the United States’ halting adjustment to the fall of Communist governments from 1989 to 1991, officials are scrambling to balance day-to-day crisis management with consideration of how American policy must adjust for the long term.

“There has to be a major rethinking of how the U.S. engages with that part of the world,” said Christopher Boucek, who studies the Middle East at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. “We have to make clear that our security no longer comes at the expense of poor governance and no rights for the people in those countries.

“All of the givens,” Mr. Boucek said, “are gone.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/28/world/middleeast/28qaeda.html?_r=1&hp

This is a view that is worth entertaining and supporting going forward. One that Bush would support. Or Carter. Though they had different approaches.

BucEyedPea
02-28-2011, 12:49 PM
“the Muslims don’t want democracy and freedom. Democracy and freedom are anathema to Islam and the Shariah.”

This should tell you all you will ever need to know about Muslims.

It should tell you that democracy and freedom don't come together. You have to choose one or the other.

BucEyedPea
02-28-2011, 12:55 PM
Steve Jobs is half Arab. His father was an Arab immigrant.

tiptap
02-28-2011, 12:57 PM
But you can have democratic inputs and checks on freedom that balance whatever excesses that can arrive. They are not totally and absolutely in opposition.

BucEyedPea
02-28-2011, 01:25 PM
But you can have democratic inputs and checks on freedom that balance whatever excesses that can arrive. They are not totally and absolutely in opposition.

Yes they are in opposition. Democracy does not bring freedom. It's tyranny of the majority. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. It is the worst form of govt. I prefer a republican form of govt with some indirect democratic features.

"Democracy has nothing to do with freedom. Democracy is a soft variant of communism, and rarely in the history of ideas has it been taken for anything else."

`Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Reflections on State and War (2006)


"The one pervading evil of democracy is the tyranny of the majority, or rather of that party, not always the majority, that succeeds, by force or fraud, in carrying elections."

~ Lord Acton, The History of Freedom and Other Essays,


"Hence it is, that democracies have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."

~ ames Madison, Federalist Paper #10

BucEyedPea
02-28-2011, 01:30 PM
"All the experience the Chinese people have accumulated through several decades teaches us to enforce the people's democratic dictatorship, that is, to deprive the reactionaries of the right to speak and let the people alone have that right."

~ Mao Zedong, in his 1949 essay "On the People's Democratic Dictatorship"

chasedude
02-28-2011, 01:40 PM
This world will never see peace as long as religion is in it.

BucEyedPea
02-28-2011, 01:48 PM
This world will never see peace as long as government and religion is in it.

FYP

go bowe
02-28-2011, 01:54 PM
This world will never see peace as long as religion is in it.where the hell do you think you are?

bringing up religion, that belongs in the cesspool known as dc...

oh wait...

HonestChieffan
02-28-2011, 01:59 PM
This world will never see peace as long as religion is in it.

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/motivational-best-3.jpg?w=500&h=387

chasedude
02-28-2011, 02:16 PM
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/motivational-best-3.jpg?w=500&h=387

:doh!:I've yet to find a religion that isn't judgemental

HonestChieffan
02-28-2011, 02:23 PM
:doh!:I've yet to find a religion that isn't judgemental


Nor have I found those who judge religions to be non judgemental....

chasedude
02-28-2011, 02:27 PM
Nor have I found those who judge religions to be non judgemental....

It's a human trait, hence religion was created by man.

HonestChieffan
02-28-2011, 03:32 PM
http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/screenshot-16.jpg

mikey23545
02-28-2011, 05:35 PM
:spock:

Britain isn't into their clutches in the least. This is a classic example of a reactionary piece meant to inspire jingoist hatred and fear amongst idiots like HCF and mikey.

Just as patronizing and arrogant as you were as a drafturbator, huh?

You're right though, that quote I highlighted about freedom and democracy being anathema to Muslims is easily refuted just by taking a look at any country in the Muslim world. Every woman stoned for letting a male see her naked ankle, every thief who has his hand cut off, every car bomb that detonates screams "Let freedom ring!"

Every time another cartoonist is threatened by a fatwa, or another video of a stone age beheading is shown, democracy seems just around the corner.

Damn, I really wish you and Frankie and a few choice others would hop a flight to Iran tomorrow.

stevieray
02-28-2011, 05:42 PM
This world will never see peace as long as religion is in it.


do you think the world would find peace without religion in it?

what are the athiests major contributions to society? specifically charitable.

LiveSteam
02-28-2011, 05:43 PM
I believe smashing the skulls of radical towel heads with the butt of an American made rifle
SCREAMS FREEDOM. IMO

HonestChieffan
02-28-2011, 05:45 PM
Taliban grease spots....go Apache.


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Frazod
02-28-2011, 05:48 PM
Taliban grease spots....go Apache.


<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/F8-tpsBX47E" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Those would be so much cooler if they were in color and HD.

orange
02-28-2011, 05:58 PM
do you think the world would find peace without religion in it?

what are the athiests major contributions to society? specifically charitable.

Charitable Atheists

Atheists have founded many charities. Bob Geldof founded Live Aid. Screenwriter Richard Curtis founded Comic Relief and Make Poverty History.

Nonreligious people have been major philanthropists. Paul Newman donated $250 million to charity. Between them, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have donated an incredible $80 billion – which is twenty times the budget of the International Red Cross.

Atheists can also donate to religious causes. Last year an atheist businessman gave over $20 million for Catholic school scholarships in inner city New York.

In an ancient Hasidic fable, a rabbi is asked if it is ever right to act as if god did not exist. His answer: “Yes. When you are asked to give to charity, give as if there were no god to help the object of the charity.”

That’s exactly what atheists do.

http://www.michaelnugent.com/2008/12/12/charitable-atheists/

chasedude
02-28-2011, 06:06 PM
do you think the world would find peace without religion in it?

what are the athiests major contributions to society? specifically charitable.

Yes I believe peace could be found without religion. Too many wars and conflicts have been behind religious "rights".

I don't like labels but I guess I would consider myself an atheist and I'm charitable. I can't afford to give cash out like many do with charities so I do it with my time.

Captain Obvious
02-28-2011, 06:19 PM
So what else is going on in fantasyland? Er, I mean World Net Daily.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2011, 07:01 PM
Just as patronizing and arrogant as you were as a drafturbator, huh?

You're right though, that quote I highlighted about freedom and democracy being anathema to Muslims is easily refuted just by taking a look at any country in the Muslim world. Every woman stoned for letting a male see her naked ankle, every thief who has his hand cut off, every car bomb that detonates screams "Let freedom ring!"

Every time another cartoonist is threatened by a fatwa, or another video of a stone age beheading is shown, democracy seems just around the corner.

Damn, I really wish you and Frankie and a few choice others would hop a flight to Iran tomorrow.

This is why you're an idiot/zealot. You have the same inability to recognize nuance that they do.

There is a difference between someone who is Islamic vs. Islamist. Your (purposeful or moronic) conflation of the two is your problem.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2011, 07:04 PM
Yet they have fewer defenders around here than do the radical Islamists.

Neither are defensible. What is argued against is the desire to associate all Muslims as Islamists.

LiveSteam
02-28-2011, 07:05 PM
This is why you're an idiot/zealot. You have the same inability to recognize nuance that they do.

There is a difference between someone who is Islamic vs. Islamist

Which skull is ok to bash in with the butt of my American made rifle?
Edit. Im not on ignore

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2011, 07:11 PM
Which skull is ok to bash in with the butt of my American made rifle?
pff you probably have me on ignore anyway.

Islamist, the vocal minority who would like to set up a world based on Shariah Law.

LiveSteam
02-28-2011, 07:15 PM
Thank you.

stevieray
02-28-2011, 07:19 PM
Yes I believe peace could be found without religion.



where?

ClevelandBronco
02-28-2011, 08:29 PM
.

Douche Baggins
02-28-2011, 08:31 PM
Taliban grease spots....go Apache.


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chasedude
02-28-2011, 09:42 PM
where?

"Where?" is exactly right.

Religion has become so tied around our lives and gov't that we have no chance to find out!

I dream of the day that we can find love within one another without some book telling us what to do that was written thousands of years ago.

stevieray
02-28-2011, 10:32 PM
"Where?" is exactly right.

Religion has become so tied around our lives and gov't that we have no chance to find out!

I dream of the day that we can find love within one another without some book telling us what to do that was written thousands of years ago.

you said we could but now we have no chance?

....we've seen millions murdered in atheist societies in the last hundred years.

love doesn't come from us...we just experience it.

RubberSponge
03-01-2011, 08:37 AM
"Where?" is exactly right.

Religion has become so tied around our lives and gov't that we have no chance to find out!

I dream of the day that we can find love within one another without some book telling us what to do that was written thousands of years ago.


I understand the point you are trying to make but religion isn't the problem. Religion is only a vehicle to allow people to act shitty towards one another.

One could say that until man is gone there won't be peace on earth. But that isn't entirely right either. If man was gone, that would leave the "animal kingdom." Now I don't know about you but the animal kingdom isn't too nice as well.

The only real answer is that there won't be peace on earth until all life is gone.

Douche Baggins
03-03-2011, 04:36 PM
Heh heh. What a surprise.


Muslim 'Sharia for America' Rally in D.C. Postponed (http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2011/March/TN-Looks-to-Outlaw-Parts-of-Islamic-Sharia-Law/)


Radical Muslims have postponed a scheduled a rally in front of the White House to demand Islamic sharia law be implemented across the United States.

Hardline British Muslim cleric Anjem Choudary was expected to lead the pro-Sharia demonstration Thursday.

However, Sharia4America posted a video message from Choudary on their website, saying that due to overblown coverage and security concerns, the rally had been postponed indefinitely. No further information was given.

Organizers of the Sharia4America had recently touted the scheduled event saying it will become "an unanticipated wild card for the West, galvanizing the immense support for Sharia in the Middle East and bringing it directly to the doorsteps of the United States of America."

At least 14 states are considering anti-sharia legislation. Jordan Sekulow of the American Center for Law and Justice talked more about the issue on the CBN News Channel's Morning News, March 3. Click play for his comments.

Meanwhile, Tennessee has become the first state in the nation to consider strict legislation that would make it a felony for Muslims to practice some parts of Islamic Sharia law.

Sharia is a religious code that most Muslims recognize, but which also includes extremist views and practices, such as amputation for theft and stoning for adultery.

Republican state Sen. Bill Ketron said his proposal exempts the peaceful practice of Islam, but would make supporting portions of Sharia law punishable by 15 years in jail.

Ketron said the legislation would also give law enforcement a powerful counterterrorism tool. If enacted, the bill is expected to face fierce constitutional battles.

Islamic groups fear the measure would essentially make it illegal to be Muslim in Tennessee, and would outlaw key practices such as praying five times a day or fasting for Ramadan.

The American Bar Association also recently announced plans to fight efforts to block Sharia law.

Currently, at least 14 state legislatures have bills pending that would bar judges from considering Sharia in legal decisions, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

The American Thinker reported the ABA has created a task force to fight those measures. They also plan to create talking points for activists who are opposing those bills.

Douche Baggins
03-03-2011, 04:45 PM
these tards ROFL

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