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Jenson71
02-28-2011, 11:18 AM
Kay S. Hymowitz argues that too many men in their 20s are living in a new kind of extended adolescence.

From The Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704409004576146321725889448.html)

Not so long ago, the average American man in his 20s had achieved most of the milestones of adulthood: a high-school diploma, financial independence, marriage and children. Today, most men in their 20s hang out in a novel sort of limbo, a hybrid state of semi-hormonal adolescence and responsible self-reliance. This "pre-adulthood" has much to recommend it, especially for the college-educated. But it's time to state what has become obvious to legions of frustrated young women: It doesn't bring out the best in men.

Between his lack of responsibilities and an entertainment media devoted to his every pleasure, today's young man has no reason to grow up, says author Kay Hymowitz. She discusses her book, "Manning Up: How the Rise of Women Has Turned Men Into Boys."

"We are sick of hooking up with guys," writes the comedian Julie Klausner, author of a touchingly funny 2010 book, "I Don't Care About Your Band: What I Learned from Indie Rockers, Trust Funders, Pornographers, Felons, Faux-Sensitive Hipsters and Other Guys I've Dated." What Ms. Klausner means by "guys" is males who are not boys or men but something in between. "Guys talk about 'Star Wars' like it's not a movie made for people half their age; a guy's idea of a perfect night is a hang around the PlayStation with his bandmates, or a trip to Vegas with his college friends.... They are more like the kids we babysat than the dads who drove us home." One female reviewer of Ms. Kausner's book wrote, "I had to stop several times while reading and think: Wait, did I date this same guy?"

For most of us, the cultural habitat of pre-adulthood no longer seems noteworthy. After all, popular culture has been crowded with pre-adults for almost two decades. Hollywood started the affair in the early 1990s with movies like "Singles," "Reality Bites," "Single White Female" and "Swingers." Television soon deepened the relationship, giving us the agreeable company of Monica, Joey, Rachel and Ross; Jerry, Elaine, George and Kramer; Carrie, Miranda, et al.

But for all its familiarity, pre-adulthood represents a momentous sociological development. It's no exaggeration to say that having large numbers of single young men and women living independently, while also having enough disposable income to avoid ever messing up their kitchens, is something entirely new in human experience. Yes, at other points in Western history young people have waited well into their 20s to marry, and yes, office girls and bachelor lawyers have been working and finding amusement in cities for more than a century. But their numbers and their money supply were always relatively small. Today's pre-adults are a different matter. They are a major demographic event.

What also makes pre-adulthood something new is its radical reversal of the sexual hierarchy. Among pre-adults, women are the first sex. They graduate from college in greater numbers (among Americans ages 25 to 34, 34% of women now have a bachelor's degree but just 27% of men), and they have higher GPAs. As most professors tell it, they also have more confidence and drive. These strengths carry women through their 20s, when they are more likely than men to be in grad school and making strides in the workplace. In a number of cities, they are even out-earning their brothers and boyfriends.

Still, for these women, one key question won't go away: Where have the good men gone? Their male peers often come across as aging frat boys, maladroit geeks or grubby slackers—a gender gap neatly crystallized by the director Judd Apatow in his hit 2007 movie "Knocked Up."

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Donger
02-28-2011, 11:19 AM
This should be funny.

crazycoffey
02-28-2011, 11:27 AM
This is stupid;
for every adult male living in an "extended adolescence" stage
there's a woman living in "extended treat me like a princess" stage

suds79
02-28-2011, 11:28 AM
I heard about this article. My initial reaction was "A little bitter are we that someone hasn't found Mr right?"

Then saw that she wrote

"Losing Confidence in Marriage" in 09

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124658294270189935.html

Think that about says it all.

Dante84
02-28-2011, 11:30 AM
Kay S. Hymowitz argues that too many men in their 20s are living in a new kind of extended adolescence.

From The Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704409004576146321725889448.html)

blah, blah, blah

...avoid ever messing up their kitchens...

blah, blah, blather.


That's the only part I picked up on.

Make me a sammich, ya cunt-bitch.

Pants
02-28-2011, 11:36 AM
That's the only part I picked up on.

Make me a sammich, ya ****-bitch.

LMAO

Saulbadguy
02-28-2011, 11:36 AM
tl;dr

NewChief
02-28-2011, 11:43 AM
Some people pimped the book Boys Adrift to me, and I believe it explores similar themes (blames it on video games in part).

http://www.boysadrift.com/


About the Book

Excerpt
Click HERE to read the first chapter of Boys Adrift

The Five Factors
Click HERE to learn the five factors driving the growing epidemic of unmotivated boys and underachieving young men.

Buy the Book
Something scary is happening to boys today. From kindergarten to college, they’re less resilient and less ambitious than they were a mere twenty years ago. In fact, a third of men ages 22–34 are still living at home with their parents—about a 100 percent increase in the past twenty years.
Parents, teachers, and mental health professionals are worried about boys. But until now, no one has come up with good reasons for their decline—nor, more important, with workable solutions to reverse this troubling trend.

In Boys Adrift, family physician and research psychologist Leonard Sax tackles the problem head on, drawing on the very latest research and his vast experience with boys and their families. He argues that a combination of social and biological factors is creating an environment that is literally toxic to boys. Misguided overemphasis on reading and math as early as kindergarten, too much time spent playing video games, over-reliance on medication for attention deficit disorders (much more common in boys than in girls), and overlooked endocrine disturbances are actually causing damage to boys’ brains.

Dr. Sax offers a wide range of reassuring remedies— including innovative ways parents can wean their sons away from video games, practical steps they can take to improve their sons’ schooling, and surprisingly simple life changes they can make to protect boys from the environmental estrogens that undermine boys’ motivation.

Filled with moving success stories that will inspire parents and teachers everywhere, Boys Adrift points the way to a new future for today’s boys and young men.

tooge
02-28-2011, 11:48 AM
Attn. Hootie! Your 15 minutes of fame starts in....Now

Okie_Apparition
02-28-2011, 11:53 AM
Playing craps in alleys, having strippers at the men only Lion's Club. Meeting the guys at the pool hall. Those were real men. Building bomb shelters they used to meet neighborhood MILFs of the 50s. Today's men are all "let's talk about our feelings." Now the women know our game. Loose lips sank our ships.

The dames stayed home and had dinner on the table at 5:30 or got one across the chops. On the off chance the cops were called, they looked the other way. Just like they did when they stopped you for weaving down the street drunk. Just followed you home, because the did the same thing.

Stewie
02-28-2011, 11:53 AM
Some people pimped the book Boys Adrift to me, and I believe it explores similar themes (blames it on video games in part).

http://www.boysadrift.com/

Dang! I couldn't wait to get out of the house. I couldn't imagine living with my parents into my 30s. Sheesh!

The overemphasis on math and reading at an early age might be a ligitimate concern. My sister taught 1st and 2nd grade for many years. She said a study showed that learning to read a little later was surprisingly beneficial. I think it's Finland that doesn't (or didn't) start to teach reading until 2nd grade. By the time they were in 5th grade they're reading skills had zoomed to the top of the charts compared to other similar western countries.

Fish
02-28-2011, 11:54 AM
Counter argument for the ladies:

Why You're Not Married (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tracy-mcmillan/why-youre-not-married_b_822088.html)

Fried Meat Ball!
02-28-2011, 11:55 AM
Here's a couple:

http://i.bnet.com/blogs/a-few-good-men.jpg

tooge
02-28-2011, 12:01 PM
what is amusing about this article is that these are the same women that were bithcing and griping about men since the beginning of time. Then they were bithcing because we like to sit on the couch, mow the grass with a beer, watch the game at home with our family, grill out all the time, meet the fellas once a week for softball or pool or something, and coach our kids in little league. It forces me to the conclusion that no matter what, women just like to bitch about something. (I do tend to agree that quite a few of todays 20-something "guys" need to grow up).

Brock
02-28-2011, 12:02 PM
Probably went the same place all the good jobs went to.

Detoxing
02-28-2011, 12:08 PM
Meh. I blame women.

After all, it IS the mother who doesn't kick the kid out the house. It is typically the mother who coddles and perpetuates excuses for these young, lazy boys. Being 26, (as of last week) I can honestly say I know more "men" who live at home than I do who dont.

And in every instance they all share the same thing, A Mother who refuses to do anything about it and does nothing but perpetuate the problem.

Another coincidence? No Fathers living in these households. No one to be on their ass everyday and tell 'em to sack up and get their shit in gear.

It has nothing to do with Video Games.

Just Passin' By
02-28-2011, 12:12 PM
Domineering women +
Woman favoring marital/divorce laws +
no-strings sex in abundance +
all sorts of other options for having fun =

men staying single and not giving a rat's ass about what a woman wants



Welcome to feminism meeting technology. This woman's really going to get pissed when the sexbots arrive.

Pants
02-28-2011, 12:13 PM
Does she provide a definition of a "good man?"

"Dad who took us home" doesn't really describe much, does it?

Huffman83
02-28-2011, 12:15 PM
Counter argument for the ladies:

Why You're Not Married (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tracy-mcmillan/why-youre-not-married_b_822088.html)

This article speaks the truth.

Being that I'm of the demographic of the first article, let me just say. Yeah...so what?

I'm 27 and I'm a musician/gamer/football fan/husband. I married the perfect woman. Besides being beautiful and has a nice rack, she loves Star Wars/Sci Fi, and doesn't take herself seriously. When we first started dating and discussed the idea of marriage in general; she said she could never have a huge wedding and she'd rather just go to Vegas and have an Elvis impersonator perform the ceremony. You don't let a woman like that go.

I give her shit for liking Lord of the Rings. She gives me shit for watching Chiefs games. But at the end of the day, we accept each other for who we are. A lot of women don't accept that.

cdcox
02-28-2011, 12:18 PM
Domineering women +
Woman favoring marital/divorce laws +
no-strings sex in abundance +
all sorts of other options for having fun =

men staying single and not giving a rat's ass about what a woman wants



Welcome to feminism meeting technology. This woman's really going to get pissed when the sexbots arrive.


Emphasis added. That is by far the biggest cause.

Lonewolf Ed
02-28-2011, 12:30 PM
Domineering women +
Woman favoring marital/divorce laws +
no-strings sex in abundance +
all sorts of other options for having fun =

men staying single and not giving a rat's ass about what a woman wants



Welcome to feminism meeting technology. This woman's really going to get pissed when the sexbots arrive.

You can give a rat's ass about what a woman wants and try to give her what she wants, and she will still discard you like an empty milk carton. Women say they want nice guys, but they treat nice guys like dog shit. Nice guys finish last.

Just Passin' By
02-28-2011, 12:34 PM
You can give a rat's ass about what a woman wants and try to give her what she wants, and she will still discard you like an empty milk carton. Women say they want nice guys, but they treat nice guys like dog shit. Nice guys finish last.

Nice guy or not, the non-religious man really has very little incentive to marry, and not much more incentive to even find a steady girlfriend.

Lonewolf Ed
02-28-2011, 12:39 PM
Nice guy or not, the non-religious man really has very little incentive to marry, and not much more incentive to even find a steady girlfriend.

I am religious and very very single. But one thing that makes me feel a little better is most of my married friends get less sex than me even if I go 2 or 3 years between times. I should feel bad for the poor guys, really...

Sofa King
02-28-2011, 12:40 PM
Quick!

someone write an article on the reasons why so many marriages fail, and try to link it to huge child support payments and guys losing half their shit.

Then try to link it to "men are figuring that out" and deciding to do other shit with their time.

Huffman83
02-28-2011, 12:42 PM
Quick!

someone write an article on the reasons why so many marriages fail, and try to link it to huge child support payments and guys losing half their shit.

Then try to link it to "men are figuring that out" and deciding to do other shit with their time.

AND money.

the Talking Can
02-28-2011, 12:43 PM
1.i know like 5 people...i'll extrapolate from their entertainment habits and create labels and categories for the 300 mill people in this country..
2. eat shellfish
3.???
4. Profit

Bearcat
02-28-2011, 12:44 PM
This is stupid;
for every adult male living in an "extended adolescence" stage
there's a woman living in "extended treat me like a princess" stage

This... :thumb:

Inspector
02-28-2011, 12:47 PM
I do not believe the description this lady made described any of my sons when they were in their 20's. 3 of them owned their own homes before age 25.

Like a lot of things, generalizing usually results in incorrect characterzations.(sp?)

Dumb broad.