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gblowfish
03-01-2011, 08:45 AM
The world's most dangerous team of hackers take on the world's most dangerous venture capitalists!
This would make a good movie!

http://anonnews.org/?p=press&a=item&i=585

(From the press release)

Dear Citizens of the United States of America,

It has come to our attention that the brothers, David and Charles Koch--the billionaire owners of Koch Industries--have long attempted to usurp American Democracy. Their actions to undermine the legitimate political process in Wisconsin are the final straw. Starting today we fight back.

Koch Industries, and oligarchs like them, have most recently started to manipulate the political agenda in Wisconsin. Governor Walker's union-busting budget plan contains a clause that went nearly un-noticed. This clause would allow the sale of publicly owned utility plants in Wisconsin to private parties (specifically, Koch Industries) at any price, no matter how low, without a public bidding process. The Koch's have helped to fuel the unrest in Wisconsin and the drive behind the bill to eliminate the collective bargaining power of unions in a bid to gain a monopoly over the state's power supplies.

The Koch brothers have made a science of fabricating 'grassroots' organizations and advertising campaigns to support them in an attempt to sway voters based on their falsehoods. Americans for Prosperity, Club for Growth and Citizens United are just a few of these organizations. In a world where corporate money has become the lifeblood of political influence, the labor unions are one of the few ways citizens have to fight against corporate greed. Anonymous cannot ignore the plight of the citizen-workers of Wisconsin, or the opportunity to fight for the people in America's broken political system. For these reasons, we feel that the Koch brothers threaten the United States democratic system and, by extension, all freedom-loving individuals everywhere. As such, we have no choice but to spread the word of the Koch brothers' political manipulation, their single-minded intent and the insidious truth of their actions in Wisconsin, for all to witness.

Anonymous hears the voice of the downtrodden American people, whose rights and liberties are being systematically removed one by one, even when their own government refuses to listen or worse - is complicit in these attacks. We are actively seeking vulnerabilities, but in the mean time we are calling for all supporters of true Democracy, and Freedom of The People, to boycott all Koch Industries' paper products. We welcome unions across the globe to join us in this boycott to show that you will not allow big business to dictate your freedom.

U.S. Product Boycott List

* Vanity Fair
* Quilted Northern
* Angel Soft
* Sparkle
* Brawny
* Mardi Gras
* Dixie

Brock
03-01-2011, 08:55 AM
Those Kochsuckers.

Cave Johnson
03-01-2011, 09:12 AM
Say no to koch.

SNR
03-01-2011, 10:30 AM
Why do people hate these guys again? Is it because they're rich and spend all their money on Republican causes?

Brock
03-01-2011, 10:44 AM
Why do people hate these guys again? Is it because they're rich and spend all their money on Republican causes?

They're snakes.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/11/27/60II/main252545.shtml

SNR
03-01-2011, 10:52 AM
They're snakes.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/11/27/60II/main252545.shtmlSlimey

mnchiefsguy
03-01-2011, 10:58 AM
They may be evil, but there is no way I am giving up my Angel Soft toilet paper.

Cave Johnson
03-01-2011, 11:05 AM
They're snakes.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/11/27/60II/main252545.shtml

And that story is from 2000. God knows what they got away with under the Bush administration.

MGRS13
03-01-2011, 11:05 AM
Why do people hate these guys again? Is it because they're rich and spend all their money on Republican causes?

Why do people hate union workers? Is it because they make a decent living doing an honest days work and donate to dems?

SNR
03-01-2011, 11:08 AM
Why do people hate union workers? Is it because they make a decent living doing an honest days work and donate to dems?I've never seen anybody hate union workers themselves.

MGRS13
03-01-2011, 11:10 AM
I've never seen anybody hate union workers themselves.
Oh ok. Yea you are right they just hate the fact that some cop or firefighter or teacher wants a decent wage they dont hate those people in particular. Give me a break.

SNR
03-01-2011, 11:21 AM
Oh ok. Yea you are right they just hate the fact that some cop or firefighter or teacher wants a decent wage they dont hate those people in particular. Give me a break.They hate the unions themselves. I've never seen anybody say, "you know who needs to get paid less? Teachers."

In cases like New Jersey where teachers were probably overpaid, that's who Christie went after and even then he has yet to cut any teacher salaries.

HonestChieffan
03-01-2011, 11:40 AM
Why do people hate these guys again? Is it because they're rich and spend all their money on Republican causes?

Not all their money but some. They are actually very generous in many ways but thats not relevant when they are being demagogued.

MGRS13
03-01-2011, 12:18 PM
They hate the unions themselves. I've never seen anybody say, "you know who needs to get paid less? Teachers."

In cases like New Jersey where teachers were probably overpaid, that's who Christie went after and even then he has yet to cut any teacher salaries.Yea fox news and radio conservatives have yet to call the protesters in Wisconsin "thugs". Oh wait never mind. Yes they do hate the workers themselves. How dare a little surf stands up to a corporation or gov't and demand a living wage and decent benefits for themselves.

VAChief
03-01-2011, 01:32 PM
Not all their money but some. They are actually very generous in many ways but thats not relevant when they are being demagogued.

At least one of them is big on the arts and donates a lot to things like opera and ballet. Since Koch arena is named after one of them in Wichita, I assume they donated a hefty sum there as well. As an MSU fan that is enough to hate them. :)

Seriously, anytime you have that much money a disparity of influence is likely to follow. They are not the devil as some on the left would claim, but I think there needs to be more open discussions on the power financial influence has on our political process (on both sides including the unions).

Chief Henry
03-01-2011, 02:04 PM
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* Vanity Fair
* Quilted Northern
* Angel Soft
* Sparkle
* Brawny
* Mardi Gras
* Dixie





I'm buying more. Think of all the Americans they employee and pay living wages too along with benefits...Yup, I'm buying more to support my Koch habit.

BucEyedPea
03-01-2011, 02:09 PM
Koch's are mercantilist feeding from the govt trough. Why do we have to choose between mercantilism and socialism as union thuggery? We shouldn't. We should have true free enterprise.

SNR
03-01-2011, 03:42 PM
Yea fox news and radio conservatives have yet to call the protesters in Wisconsin "thugs". Oh wait never mind. Yes they do hate the workers themselves. How dare a little surf stands up to a corporation or gov't and demand a living wage and decent benefits for themselves.They disapprove of some of the shittier tactics like prank-calling the governor, busing people in, and some of the more radical things said/written on signs. They don't hate the workers though.

Chief Henry
03-01-2011, 04:59 PM
gblowfish,

Do you suppose you could go dig up the number of people the Koch brothers employ here in America ? Since you found this article, I want to give you the benefit of the doubt that you can find the figure.

MGRS13
03-01-2011, 05:58 PM
They disapprove of some of the shittier tactics like prank-calling the governor, busing people in, and some of the more radical things said/written on signs. They don't hate the workers though.

So they don't hate the workers. They just hate the idea that they are getting a decent wage and a few benefits? I just can't see it any other way i guess. These union workers get a little bit of money and some benefits for working hard but according to the right america should hate/be jealous of them. Yet Koch and others like him get millions and millions by creating more and more of a lower class and America is supposed to feel sorry for them?

SNR
03-01-2011, 06:26 PM
So they don't hate the workers. They just hate the idea that they are getting a decent wage and a few benefits?We're talking past each other. If the legislation passes will the workers stop getting a decent wage and a few benefits?

You say yes, I say no.

2bikemike
03-01-2011, 06:27 PM
Yea fox news and radio conservatives have yet to call the protesters in Wisconsin "thugs". Oh wait never mind. Yes they do hate the workers themselves. How dare a little surf stands up to a corporation or gov't and demand a living wage and decent benefits for themselves.

What I have a problem with is Govt employee unions. Politicians receiving tons of contributions from the unions and then being the one at the bargaining table deciding those wages and benefits.

I have a problem with cops / firefighters retiring with 100% of their pay after 30 years of service without contributing to that retirement.

gblowfish
03-01-2011, 06:28 PM
gblowfish,

Do you suppose you could go dig up the number of people the Koch brothers employ here in America ? Since you found this article, I want to give you the benefit of the doubt that you can find the figure.

Look it up yourself you lazy bastard. I'm not your research assistant.

Brock
03-01-2011, 06:48 PM
gblowfish,

Do you suppose you could go dig up the number of people the Koch brothers employ here in America ? Since you found this article, I want to give you the benefit of the doubt that you can find the figure.

Is that supposed to excuse them for being oil thieves?

Fat Elvis
03-01-2011, 09:25 PM
"A public union employee, a tea party activist, and a CEO are sitting at a table with a plate of a dozen cookies in the middle of it. The CEO takes 11 of the cookies, turns to the tea partier and says, 'Watch out for that union guy. He wants a piece of your cookie'."

Mr. Kotter
03-01-2011, 09:37 PM
I "in"....Koch blocking, commenced. Elitist, greedy bastards. :thumb:

"A public union employee, a tea party activist, and a CEO are sitting at a table with a plate of a dozen cookies in the middle of it. The CEO takes 11 of the cookies, turns to the tea partier and says, 'Watch out for that union guy. He wants a piece of your cookie'."

Yup. Exactly.

KILLER_CLOWN
03-01-2011, 10:19 PM
Wisconsin GOP Governor in Neofascist Union-Busting Drive; Mass Strike Dynamic Returns to US After Four Decades of Labor Rout; Koch Strikebreakers of

Webster G. Tarpley, Ph.D.
TARPLEY.net
February 20, 2011

Washington DC, Feb. 20, 2011 – After four decades of disillusionment, and demoralization, disorientation and rout of the labor movement, the mass strike is once again abroad in the land. In dozens of state capitals, reactionary Republican governors and runaway legislatures, trading on the primitive slogans of the astroturf “Tea Party” movement, and controlled by sinister billionaires like the Koch brothers, are attempting to implement their lunatic agenda of tax cuts and deregulation for the super-rich, while attempting to shift the costs for Wall Street’s world economic depression onto the backs of working people. The reactionary attack is now so ferocious that it is goading increasing numbers of American working people into actions of self-defense, leading US workers to put aside the apathy and passivity which have prevailed in the labor movement since the Nixon administration.

In a move of unusual barbarism and savagery, Republican Governor Walker of Wisconsin is attempting to loot the wages and pensions of state workers, while at the same time stripping them of the right to collective bargaining which they have exercised for many decades. The workers, students, and citizens of Wisconsin and surrounding states have responded to Walker’s challenge by occupying the state capital and maintaining a continuous presence in downtown Madison. The situation, bearing certain formal similarities to Tahrir Square in Cairo, is now a focus of national and international attention.

http://tarpley.net/2011/02/20/wisconsin-union-busting-drive/

redsurfer11
03-02-2011, 04:19 AM
They hate the unions themselves. I've never seen anybody say, "you know who needs to get paid less? Teachers."

In cases like New Jersey where teachers were probably overpaid, that's who Christie went after and even then he has yet to cut any teacher salaries.


Christie never went after their pay. He asked them to contribute more to their insurance costs. Only 1.5% more.

Chief Henry
03-02-2011, 07:16 AM
Look it up yourself you lazy bastard. I'm not your research assistant.

I just figured that since you like posting threads about them, you would like to post just one more.

Maybe its just because it doesn't fit into your "koch bashing theme".

The Mad Crapper
03-02-2011, 07:43 AM
This whole Karl Rove to Koch Brothers transition as the Left's tres chic boogeyman is weird in a weird cousin with six toes kind of way. I just wish it was Penchief making these Koch Brothers threads every day, that would truly make the circle complete.

SNR
03-02-2011, 11:33 AM
Christie never went after their pay. He asked them to contribute more to their insurance costs. Only 1.5% more.Which is why I said not a single state government has yet to cut a single teacher salary

Mr. Kotter
03-02-2011, 11:55 AM
Which is why I said not a single state government has yet to cut a single teacher salary

I don't suppose three-four years of wage freezes amid inflation averaging 2-3% over that time count as "cuts" in your world either though, eh? That's what many districts have seen.

Yeah, a 9-10% cut in real spending power....shouldn't count. Just silly, right?

And tax cut, after tax cut, after tax cut....over the past 10-15 years don't count for nothing either, it terms of easing the burden of tough times for struggling folks---especially those "struggling" folks who were the largest beneficiaries of those tax cuts.

It's all just an "illusion" after all, right?

Amnorix
03-02-2011, 12:25 PM
I just figured that since you like posting threads about them, you would like to post just one more.

Maybe its just because it doesn't fit into your "koch bashing theme".

The general concept around here, I believe, is for one person to make some kind of statement and argument and find/post support for it if necessary. I suppose if you're such a lazy, clever bastard to make the other side your bitch and do your research for you, more power to you, but don't sit there and act like he's being the dick.

You are.

Chief Henry
03-02-2011, 01:56 PM
The general concept around here, I believe, is for one person to make some kind of statement and argument and find/post support for it if necessary. I suppose if you're such a lazy, clever bastard to make the other side your bitch and do your research for you, more power to you, but don't sit there and act like he's being the dick.

You are.


Come off your high horse AMNO. I asked him a simple quesiton about the Koch bro. since he started the thread about the Koch bro. I won't call you
a dick. I won't stoop to the level of what you and other liberals do.

BTW, do you know how many Americans the Koch bro. employ ? Just wondering ? I would think one of the leftist posters on this thread would know that. I mean, it seems many liberals on this board know an awful lot about the Koch bro. these days.

I wonder how many Americans George Soros employs :hmmm: outside the
DNC that is ? I'm wondering how much money George Soros has contirbuted to leftist causes in the last 10 years ? Probably need one large calculator for
all those check$

Amnorix
03-02-2011, 02:01 PM
Come off your high horse AMNO. I asked him a simple quesiton about the Koch bro. since he started the thread about the Koch bro. I won't call you
a dick. I won't stoop to the level of what you and other liberals do.

BTW, do you know how many Americans the Koch bro. employ ? Just wondering ? I would think one of the leftist posters on this thread would know that. I mean, it seems many liberals on this board know an awful lot about the Koch bro. these days.

I wonder how many Americans George Soros employs :hmmm: outside the
DNC that is ? I'm wondering how much money George Soros has contirbuted to leftist causes in the last 10 years ? Probably need one large calculator for
all those check$

You can argue with him all you want, but trying to make him do your research for you? He called you out on that, and rightly so.

Why would I know, or care, how many people the Koch brothers employ? I don't have some kind of fundamental view that only large employers should dictate policy in America.

I don't know, or care, how many people Soros employs either.

Obviously, all these wealthy people and their huge checks have a disproportionate effect on our political system. Whether that's a good or bad thing is a discussion for another day.

Chief Henry
03-02-2011, 02:23 PM
Don't think I'm arguing with him. I'm just wondering out loud about a couple of things.

Wealthy people do have clout in our society (no doubt about that) - just ask Dave.

It just appears that in the last week or so we have several planet Koch bro. experts
and some of them would be able to help the rest of us out...or maybe its just that
media matters and moveon.org don't supply that type of information to our planet
Koch bro. experts.

I wish I was a nephew to one of those evil Koch bro.

The Mad Crapper
03-02-2011, 02:30 PM
or maybe its just that
media matters and moveon.org don't supply that type of information to our planet
Koch bro. experts.



LMAO at moonbats.

gblowfish
03-02-2011, 04:16 PM
Don't think I'm arguing with him. I'm just wondering out loud about a couple of things.

Wealthy people do have clout in our society (no doubt about that) - just ask Dave.

It just appears that in the last week or so we have several planet Koch bro. experts
and some of them would be able to help the rest of us out...or maybe its just that
media matters and moveon.org don't supply that type of information to our planet
Koch bro. experts.

I wish I was a nephew to one of those evil Koch bro.

Hey Lazy Ass:
Koch's own company website includes this blurb:

"Koch companies have hundreds of U.S. facilities in 40 states that employ more than 50,000 Americans. Another 20,000 employees work internationally, giving us a presence in 60 countries."

There's detailed information on their activities, both business-wise and political activity-wise out there too, but it's on NPR and the NY Times websites, and I know you discount those sources as communist propaganda, so I didn't bother to link to them.

SNR
03-02-2011, 04:38 PM
I don't suppose three-four years of wage freezes amid inflation averaging 2-3% over that time count as "cuts" in your world either though, eh? That's what many districts have seen.

Yeah, a 9-10% cut in real spending power....shouldn't count. Just silly, right?

And tax cut, after tax cut, after tax cut....over the past 10-15 years don't count for nothing either, it terms of easing the burden of tough times for struggling folks---especially those "struggling" folks who were the largest beneficiaries of those tax cuts.

It's all just an "illusion" after all, right?Teacher salaries. Have they been cut? That WAS the question I posed. The answer is no.

I doubt you'll find many people who hold sympathy for you around here. You know, those people who lost their jobs, took pay cuts, and are struggling with their own businesses. Tell you what though, I live in Madison. If you want, I'll share your post with all the protestors. They'd love to hear about it, I'm sure.

And just to be clear, I'm not excusing the Koch brothers one bit. Brock has already demonstrated their snake-like habits.

BigMeatballDave
03-02-2011, 04:42 PM
I only use Angel Soft from that list.

The Mad Crapper
03-02-2011, 04:49 PM
Hey Lazy Ass:
Koch's own company website includes this blurb:

"Koch companies have hundreds of U.S. facilities in 40 states that employ more than 50,000 Americans. Another 20,000 employees work internationally, giving us a presence in 60 countries."

There's detailed information on their activities, both business-wise and political activity-wise out there too, but it's on NPR and the NY Times websites, and I know you discount those sources as communist propaganda, so I didn't bother to link to them.

LMAO

Chief Henry
03-02-2011, 05:33 PM
Hey Lazy Ass:
Koch's own company website includes this blurb:

"Koch companies have hundreds of U.S. facilities in 40 states that employ more than 50,000 Americans. Another 20,000 employees work internationally, giving us a presence in 60 countries."

There's detailed information on their activities, both business-wise and political activity-wise out there too, but it's on NPR and the NY Times websites, and I know you discount those sources as communist propaganda, so I didn't bother to link to them.



Dude, your late to the party. I saw that days ago. I was just f'n with ya until you posted something positive on the Koch bro. 50,000 employees here in America :bravo: I wish like hell we had another One thousand employers just like the Koch bro. :harumph: Another 50 million employed people right now would be dam nice here in the USA.

Kudo's to you for getting the info and posting it. Nice job