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BigCatDaddy
03-04-2011, 09:25 PM
Before the fractured lumbar in Dec I could have probably done 16 or 17 reps and I weigh about 200. I might have been able to do it once way back in high school.

baitism
03-04-2011, 09:27 PM
Well, in high school I could bench 225 30 times. But, that was after an intensive weight lifting program I attended in Tokyo, and on a strict sushi diet.

Pitt Gorilla
03-04-2011, 09:35 PM
95 times while running a 4.1 40/CP

Phobia
03-04-2011, 09:38 PM
I bench it about 62 times.

DaFace
03-04-2011, 09:38 PM
Most likely zero.

KurtCobain
03-04-2011, 09:43 PM
I would be lucky to get 140 up once or twice.

cdcox
03-04-2011, 09:44 PM
I would be lucky to get 140 up once or twice.

This.

DaneMcCloud
03-04-2011, 09:44 PM
Yay, this will be a fun thread.

:rolleyes:

I'm eagerly awaiting the "What's The Circumference Of Your Ballsack Thread".

Brock
03-04-2011, 09:46 PM
Don't know. When I lift, I only use dumbbells.

CrazyPhuD
03-04-2011, 09:46 PM
With one hand or two?

DaneMcCloud
03-04-2011, 09:50 PM
Seriously, I stopped lifting heavy weights after my daughter was born in 2008. With the birth of a child, there's only so much time in the day and I've essentially only had time for cardio since (and trust me, my wife is VERY happy that I stopped lifting. I was beginning to look like a member of Jersey Shore, minus the tan and the lid).

That said, I was finishing up my third set of three (Bigger, Faster, Stronger Program) with 295 when I quit. I'd get to the point where I'd warm up with 10 reps of 225 and a occasionally, I'd do 15 reps. So in all honesty, I have no idea.

And before Hootie or any other numbskull checks in, my 40 time was not improved by my bench press.

synthesis2
03-04-2011, 09:54 PM
best I did was 31 times back when I was 30, I'm 38 now I can only do it 16 times.

El Jefe
03-04-2011, 10:02 PM
When I was 20 I was huge into lifting, played a ton of basketball was going to play fooz ball and hoops at a small D3 school. I worked with 225 as a warm up set, if I had to guess how many I could do until failure, probably 25 or so. I ended up tearing my rotator cuff attempting to bench 450, and that ended my heavy lifting days. Now I bet I could only do it 7 or 8 times maybe even less, my shoulder is still pretty fubar.

Mr. Plow
03-04-2011, 10:03 PM
If me and DaFace get together, we might be able to max that shit out at 1.

Short Leash Hootie
03-04-2011, 10:04 PM
a bench of 450?

come on guy

what is your height and weight? please share

dirk digler
03-04-2011, 10:09 PM
I maxed out at 225 in HS. So I did it maybe once or twice but not at the same time.

Now a days I would be lucky to do 125

DaneMcCloud
03-04-2011, 10:11 PM
a bench of 450?

come on guy

what is your height and weight? please share

LMAO

He's 6'5. I'll let him share the weight.

LMAO

El Jefe
03-04-2011, 10:11 PM
a bench of 450?

come on guy

what is your height and weight? please share

Currently not good, 6'6 315. When I tore my rotator cuff I weighed 275 or so. I only lifted heavy weight, no major sets, 3x then move up. I maxed at 415, tried 450 with one board and that's when I got injured.

El Jefe
03-04-2011, 10:15 PM
best I did was 31 times back when I was 30, I'm 38 now I can only do it 16 times.

Impressive, I used to play ball with a few ex-buckeyes mike doss and Tyler everett who played for the bills. Everett would rep sets of 3 on 425, guy is an unreal athlete.

BigRedChief
03-04-2011, 10:16 PM
95 times while running a 4.1 40/CPyeah, why don't we go for the biggest penis thread and get to heart of this matter.

DaneMcCloud
03-04-2011, 10:16 PM
Impressive, I used to play ball with a few ex-buckeyes mike doss and Tyler everett who played for the bills. Everett would rep sets of 3 on 425, guy is an unreal athlete.

Hey Dude, you know I'm not one to question you whatsoever, but were those guys doing "clean" lifts? No arching of the back or belts involved?

Also, I don't consider it a "good" or "clean" bench unless it's on your chest for 1 second or more.

Brock
03-04-2011, 10:16 PM
When I was 20 I was huge into lifting, played a ton of basketball was going to play fooz ball and hoops at a small D3 school. I worked with 225 as a warm up set, if I had to guess how many I could do until failure, probably 25 or so. I ended up tearing my rotator cuff attempting to bench 450, and that ended my heavy lifting days. Now I bet I could only do it 7 or 8 times maybe even less, my shoulder is still pretty fubar.

Well, that was a bad idea.

El Jefe
03-04-2011, 10:17 PM
Currently not good, 6'6 315. When I tore my rotator cuff I weighed 275 or so. I only lifted heavy weight, no major sets, 3x then move up. I maxed at 415, tried 450 with one board and that's when I got injured.

I should correct myself, I am 6'5 and 3/4

Dunit35
03-04-2011, 10:17 PM
Bench has always been my weakest.

My max squat in high school was 350. Never been a very good lifter.

El Jefe
03-04-2011, 10:20 PM
Hey Dude, you know I'm not one to question you whatsoever, but were those guys doing "clean" lifts? No arching of the back or belts involved?

Also, I don't consider it a "good" or "clean" bench unless it's on your chest for 1 second or more.

Mike doss wasn't a power litter at all, Tyler Everett was pure, no gimmicks, feet on the floor, no arch, no belts. The guy is huge in the upper body, very very fast and athletic, really not great in hoops but can guard anyone speed wise.

*lifter, Dang auto correct.

DaneMcCloud
03-04-2011, 10:21 PM
Bench has always been my weakest.

My max squat in high school was 350. Never been a very good lifter.

Absolutely no offense to you but I always thought it was funny when I met guys at Intra-Mural football at both K-State & KU that said they could squat 350-400 pounds.

LMAO

I'd go watch them lift, and it was pathetic. They'd "hunch over" and use their back to lift the weight, not keeping their spine straight with their head in the air and they'd never break a 90 degree angle with their squat.

It was a ridiculous sight to see.

dirk digler
03-04-2011, 10:21 PM
Bench has always been my weakest.

My max squat in high school was 350. Never been a very good lifter.

I hated the dead lift or whatever it was called.

DaneMcCloud
03-04-2011, 10:22 PM
Mike doss wasn't a power litter at all, Tyler Everett was pure, no gimmicks, feet on the floor, no arch, no belts. The guy is huge in the upper body, very very fast and athletic, really not great in hoops but can guard anyone speed wise.

Cool! It's always refreshing to hear that guys are putting up those types of numbers the way it should be done.

Best of luck with your shoulder and I sincerely hope it doesn't require surgery.

El Jefe
03-04-2011, 10:24 PM
Absolutely no offense to you but I always thought it was funny when I met guys at Intra-Mural football at both K-State & KU that said they could squat 350-400 pounds.

LMAO

I'd go watch them lift, and it was pathetic. They'd "hunch over" and use their back to lift the weight, not keeping their spine straight with their head in the air and they'd never break a 90 degree angle with their squat.

It was a ridiculous sight to see.

Haha you know your stuff that's for sure :thumb:

El Jefe
03-04-2011, 10:27 PM
Cool! It's always refreshing to hear that guys are putting up those types of numbers the way it should be done.

Best of luck with your shoulder and I sincerely hope it doesn't require surgery.

I'm telling you its always interesting when you get around guys who are just better made than everyone else. The cool thing about mike doss and Tyler Everett is they are extremely humble, most people would never guess. The funny thing about Everett though is he has little chicken legs. Thanks for the good wishes man, I appreciate that :thumb:

Son of Logical
03-04-2011, 10:38 PM
225 I put up 28 times when I was 17. (the age I was by far my strongest) We only ever maxed reps at 225 once, and it was just for fun. We maxed reps at 185 a bunch, that was the college combine weight that we all tested on. I can't remember how many times I did that. Squat was my big lift, I did 450 and still didn't break the school record. A buddy of mine did 505 his senior year. San Diego states lifting coach worked with us, because his son was on the team, so I know my form was right. I really don't know how people can use improper form on squat and survive. I went to far forward one time on a failed max attempt on squat and it felt like my spine broke, every muscle in my back seized up.

JohnnyV13
03-04-2011, 10:42 PM
13 reps of 225 last summer, and I only weigh 170.

DaneMcCloud
03-04-2011, 10:42 PM
I'm telling you its always interesting when you get around guys who are just better made than everyone else. The cool thing about mike doss and Tyler Everett is they are extremely humble, most people would never guess. The funny thing about Everett though is he has little chicken legs.

Yeah Dude, you know it. I've met plenty of athletes in my lifetime, from high school to college to pro football and pro basketball and there are times when I say "What the FUCK?".

It's almost as if they're higher on the evolutionary scale: Long, lean limbs and muscle mass, and fucking GIANT. It's truly an earth-shattering experience.

One of my agents has Blake Griffin as a client and seriously, the guy is from another planet, physically speaking. He's the nicest, most polite guy he can be but he's freaking HUGE.

It's crazy.

Thanks for the good wishes man, I appreciate that :thumb:

Always, Brotha!

DaneMcCloud
03-04-2011, 10:44 PM
13 reps of 225 last summer, and I only weigh 170.

You're fairly strong.

For a twerp.

ROFL

Just teasin'.

Phobia
03-05-2011, 03:58 AM
I haven't lifted heavy for many years due to tendonitis of the elbow but I'm sure I could get 225 up several times still. Probably not 10x but several.

Guru
03-05-2011, 04:48 AM
195lbs was the most I ever tried.

3rd&48ers
03-05-2011, 06:16 AM
I probably can't even bench 225 anymore

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WhitiE
03-05-2011, 06:23 AM
1/4 maybe half a time

RedNeckRaider
03-05-2011, 07:43 AM
Back when I liffted I could pop off several reps. Now days anything that weighs that much I move with a forklift~

Buehler445
03-05-2011, 07:43 AM
Absolutely no offense to you but I always thought it was funny when I met guys at Intra-Mural football at both K-State & KU that said they could squat 350-400 pounds.

LMAO

I'd go watch them lift, and it was pathetic. They'd "hunch over" and use their back to lift the weight, not keeping their spine straight with their head in the air and they'd never break a 90 degree angle with their squat.

It was a ridiculous sight to see.

HOLY SHIT. That would break me, there is no way I could squat with form like that, especially with that weight. Seriously. I'd never walk again.

I've always sucked at bench. I can't remember how much I was doing when I was lifting all the time, but I probably couldn't do it more than a couple or 3 times. I was a runner so I kept the reps up.
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Buehler445
03-05-2011, 07:44 AM
Oh. And now I'm fat and worthless.
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Rain Man
03-05-2011, 11:18 AM
Zero for me. But back around 2001 I did a lot of weight work and was able to get into triple digits.

el borracho
03-05-2011, 11:38 AM
Well, currently on my "reps" day I will aim for 5 sets of 8 reps at 225lbs. Generally, I fall short of that number only getting eight on the first set or two and then less reps each successive set. I've never actually tried to just burn out with that weight but I would imagine it would be no more than 11 or 12, at the very most. Maybe if I am feeling inspired I will try it next Thursday and get back to you.

DaneMcCloud
03-05-2011, 11:43 AM
Well, currently on my "reps" day I will aim for 5 sets of 8 reps at 225lbs. Generally, I fall short of that number only getting eight on the first set or two and then less reps each successive set. I've never actually tried to just burn out with that weight but I would imagine it would be no more than 11 or 12, at the very most. Maybe if I am feeling inspired I will try it next Thursday and get back to you.

It's better to lower the weights and hit your target reps than to use heavier weight and not hit your targeted reps.

That said, that's a heavy rep day. My biggest rep day was 5 sets of 5 and I just became too bulky, chesty and finally said "Why the hell am I doing this?".

With a proper warm-up regimen, I'd bet you could easily do 12-15 reps of 225.

el borracho
03-05-2011, 11:49 AM
Overall, I'm still getting over 30 reps at the weight and I definitely feel it differently than my "heavy (for me) weight, low rep" chest days.

Out of curiosity, what do you consider a proper warm-up?

JohnnyV13
03-05-2011, 11:54 AM
You're fairly strong.

For a twerp.

ROFL

Just teasin'.

Hell yes, I'm a twerp.

I'm almost the exact size of Dexter McCluster. Except he's 5'8 and I'm 5'7.

And he can do 7 more reps of 225.

DaneMcCloud
03-05-2011, 12:01 PM
Overall, I'm still getting over 30 reps at the weight and I definitely feel it differently than my "heavy (for me) weight, low rep" chest days.

Out of curiosity, what do you consider a proper warm-up?

I'd recommend trying five sets of five instead of five sets of eight. As I mentioned earlier, it's more important to hit your reps consistently that raising the weight without hitting the reps.

I'd recommend the following:

1. Warm up with at least 5 reps of 135, 10 if possible.
2. Five reps with 185
3. Five reps with 195
4. Five reps with 205
5. Five reps with 215
6. Five reps with 225
7. Warm down with at least 5 reps of 135. 10 if possible.

You may need to adjust the weight to each set in five pound increments instead of 10 pounds and I'd only recommend this routine (Five sets of Five) every fourth week so that you don't plateau.

Just be aware that if your body is "anabolic" like mine (a description given to me by an orthopedic surgeon), you're likely to become very barrel chested. Personally, I started looking like an idiot muscle head and dropped that routine (and finally, bench press altogether).

patteeu
03-05-2011, 12:15 PM
If me and DaFace get together, we might be able to max that shit out at 1.

Can I help?

el borracho
03-05-2011, 12:22 PM
Well, your way is a lot less work, lol. I'm not sure why it would be better, since I would end up doing less weight for less reps.

Typical reps day for me:

135 x 10
185 x 10
225 x 8
225 x 8
225 x 6
225 x 5 or 6
225 x 4 or 5 (then immediately drop to 185 and burnout ((about 7 or 8 reps)))

then on to incline and then done with chest for the day.

DaneMcCloud
03-05-2011, 12:26 PM
Well, your way is a lot less work, lol. I'm not sure why it would be better, since I would end up doing less weight for less reps.

Typical reps day for me:

135 x 10
185 x 10
225 x 8
225 x 8
225 x 6
225 x 5 or 6
225 x 4 or 5 (then immediately drop to 185 and burnout ((about 7 or 8 reps)))

then on to incline and then done with chest for the day.

You'd be better off increasing the weight with each group and doing less reps, than continually doing 225 over and over and over again. You'll burn more calories and build more muscle by increasing the weight. But hey, whatever works for you.

stevieray
03-05-2011, 12:30 PM
butterflies

el borracho
03-05-2011, 12:34 PM
Really? Of course I have heard of pyramiding up but, intuitively, I would think that doing less work would yield less results. I always thought the benefit of pyramiding up was less risk to connective tissue but, at the weights I use, I don't imagine it's all that risky (225 is not that much in the grand scheme of life). Anyone want to chime in? Silock?

DaneMcCloud
03-05-2011, 12:48 PM
Really? Of course I have heard of pyramiding up but, intuitively, I would think that doing less work would yield less results. I always thought the benefit of pyramiding up was less risk to connective tissue but, at the weights I use, I don't imagine it's all that risky (225 is not that much in the grand scheme of life). Anyone want to chime in? Silock?

Well, depending on your current strength (and I was just giving you an example earlier), you'd be better off raising your weights incrementally, whether it's 5 pounds or 10 pounds, which each successive group. That way, you're continually pushing your body so that it won't plateau.

Give it a shot for a month.

Mr. Laz
03-05-2011, 12:51 PM
back in school days ... twice

now my arms would fall off

Bowser
03-05-2011, 01:14 PM
a bench of 450?

come on guy

what is your height and weight? please share

No worries, Hootie. He's black.

Bowser
03-05-2011, 01:16 PM
I have no idea. I MAY be able to get 225 up once right now, if I'm lucky. Back in the day, I had 305 on the bar and got it off my chest, but couldn't straighten my arms. I don't do a lot of bench press work these days. It's mostly pushups and dumbbell work.

KCrockaholic
03-05-2011, 01:25 PM
once. twice. Maybe three times....But I can do 180 15 times.

BigCatDaddy
03-05-2011, 01:30 PM
I had some dude that was part of the Christain Power team come over and ask me for a spot one time. I'm thinking reps at 350 or something like that, nope he has 565 LBS on that bastard. I told him he better get that because I'm not going to be much help at that weight and he nailed it clean.

Chiefburger
03-05-2011, 01:31 PM
once. twice. Maybe three times....But I can do 180 15 times.

This and now. Best shape of my life.

Question for long-time weightlifters: Is it best to touch the chest or come within a couple inches? Heard the latter is just as effective and less risky.

JASONSAUTO
03-05-2011, 01:33 PM
7. About fifteen minutes ago.

First time I have tried in about five years so I'm happy with the results.
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edit: it was supposed to say 7 but said 17 the first time.

I did 7 reps of 225

BigCatDaddy
03-05-2011, 01:38 PM
This and now. Best shape of my life.

Question for long-time weightlifters: Is it best to touch the chest or come within a couple inches? Heard the latter is just as effective and less risky.

I would think you would wear down the triceps a little quicker by not touching the chest, so probably a better tricep workout that way, but you aren't going to work the chest as well would be my guess.

Flat Bench isn't all that great for chest development anyways. Anything incline or a fly like motion with dumbells or pec dec is better. Like BRC says flat bench is pretty much a measure of penor size in a gym more then anything.

Chiefburger
03-05-2011, 01:50 PM
I would think you would wear down the triceps a little quicker by not touching the chest, so probably a better tricep workout that way, but you aren't going to work the chest as well would be my guess.

Flat Bench isn't all that great for chest development anyways. Anything incline or a fly like motion with dumbells or pec dec is better. Like BRC says flat bench is pretty much a measure of penor size in a gym more then anything.

Good stuff. Thanks.

BWillie
03-05-2011, 02:54 PM
Well, in high school I could bench 225 30 times. But, that was after an intensive weight lifting program I attended in Tokyo, and on a strict sushi diet.

No, no you didn't.

Lonewolf Ed
03-05-2011, 03:09 PM
On my best day, once for sure, maybe twice. My best days, however, are in the rear view mirror now.

Pablo
03-05-2011, 03:29 PM
42 times.

And then I'd throw a 80 yard bomb.

Reerun_KC
03-05-2011, 03:48 PM
Oh. And now I'm fat and worthless.
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QFT

Pasta Giant Meatball
03-06-2011, 06:14 AM
4.5 times

TEX
03-06-2011, 07:08 AM
Just did it this morning - 4 times. I think I popped a nut on # 4...

Braincase
03-06-2011, 07:19 AM
I just started lifting again after a very long layoff. I'm focusing on high reps at low weights to tone up. I'm actually embarrassed to talk about what I'm lifting, but I start low, do fifteen reps, then add 10 pounds and do another fifteen reps, all in all doing about 90 reps. Doing that basic methodology for 12 different machines. I feel better, and I know I'm getting positive results, but I'm not losing much weight yet. Right now I could probably get up 185 once, but I'm months away from getting back to 225, and I would like to get back to my lifetime best of 315.

joesomebody
03-06-2011, 07:39 AM
I weigh 170 lbs and I have serious doubts that I could max out at more than 180 to 200. I haven't lifted weights since my senior year in high school in 2001. I think my max then was somewhere in the low 200s, but I don't remember to be honest.

I've always been more of a cardio guy. Now I only lift beers and the clicker to my tv.

TheGuardian
03-06-2011, 11:24 AM
No numbers in a high school weight room EVER count. EVER. The mile high squats where guys barely break their knees are laughable. I'm a legit 600+ squatter with no belt, no knee wraps done in competition, and I was told once after repping 500 by some high school kid they had a running back that could rep with 600. I just laughed and walked away.

I haven't benched 225 for reps on the flat bench in forever and a day. I usually rep on incline with 225 on my light days and it's usually between 20 and 25 depending on how my elbow is feeling. The last time I did reps on bench it was 335x10 or 12 I believe and that was months ago. If I can get my elbow fixed this year I should bench 450+ in competition raw with a close grip. That's at 245 pounds.

The fact is, the 225 pound rep test is worthless. They would be far better off replacing it with a max incline attempt. This would tell you more about a guys ability on the football field to explode someone off of him whether it be in run blocking or as a defensive player attempting to stack and shed.

There. That will be one of my few posts ever here about slinging iron.

MahiMike
03-06-2011, 11:50 AM
45.

5 lbs at a time.

DBOSHO
03-06-2011, 12:11 PM
You guys are strong.

DaneMcCloud
03-06-2011, 11:43 PM
If I can get my elbow fixed this year I should bench 450+ in competition raw with a close grip. That's at 245 pounds.


Out of curiosity, what do you consider a close grip? My grip is with my thumbs right on the line, so it's not wide but not inside the lines.

And I'm with you on the squats, as I detailed earlier in the thread. But with that said, I never blamed the kids that said that crap or lifted poorly. They just weren't trained properly and didn't know any better.

And I disagree somewhat with the high school reference. I started training at age 13 with Coach Sev and trust me, we were taught the "RIGHT" way to lift and lifts didn't count if they weren't done properly.

But I also imagine that there were/are schools were the rules weren't as strict. I think it all depends on the coach and program.

Chocolate Hog
03-06-2011, 11:43 PM
49

Pushead2
03-07-2011, 02:11 AM
23 times - with one arm

Earthling
03-07-2011, 02:24 AM
Now that I'm in my 60's I just pay someone else to lift heavy things. :thumb:

KurtCobain
03-07-2011, 02:28 AM
Now that I'm in my 60's I just pay someone else to lift heavy things. :thumb:

I'm in my twenties and I do that.

Saccopoo
03-07-2011, 02:30 AM
Ed Coan's bench calculator:
http://joeskopec.com/edcoanbench.html

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Silock
03-07-2011, 02:54 AM
Really? Of course I have heard of pyramiding up but, intuitively, I would think that doing less work would yield less results. I always thought the benefit of pyramiding up was less risk to connective tissue but, at the weights I use, I don't imagine it's all that risky (225 is not that much in the grand scheme of life). Anyone want to chime in? Silock?

That depends entirely upon what you consider "results" to be. Are you going for a higher maximum lift or just lifting endurance? If it's the former, you need be lowering the reps and upping the weight. If not, then what you're doing is okay . . . but I'm just not sure WHY you'd be doing it.

I'd do something like this:

Warmup: 5x135
Warmup: 5x160
Working 1: 5x190
Working 2: 5x220
Working 3: 5x240

And then one last set of 10-12 reps of 160. Increase everything by 5 pounds if you can hit all of it.

beach tribe
03-07-2011, 05:54 AM
Once..........Maybe.

TheGuardian
03-07-2011, 07:21 AM
Out of curiosity, what do you consider a close grip? My grip is with my thumbs right on the line, so it's not wide but not inside the lines.

And I'm with you on the squats, as I detailed earlier in the thread. But with that said, I never blamed the kids that said that crap or lifted poorly. They just weren't trained properly and didn't know any better.

And I disagree somewhat with the high school reference. I started training at age 13 with Coach Sev and trust me, we were taught the "RIGHT" way to lift and lifts didn't count if they weren't done properly.

But I also imagine that there were/are schools were the rules weren't as strict. I think it all depends on the coach and program.

Close grip for me is generally a thumb length outside of the smooth middle part of the bar.

High school squats - Certainly here and there there you will find some good strength coaches involved with a high school team, however more times than not, and I mean 9 out of the 10, the shit I see going on in a high school weight room is laughable.

So yes you're right it all depends on the coach and the program.

loochy
03-07-2011, 07:42 AM
8 times. That is WITHOUT the stupid back arching, butt off the bench, going halfway down, bouncing off your chest BS!

I've never been a fan of flat bench press. It never feels right to me. It makes my shoulders feel odd.

loochy
03-07-2011, 07:44 AM
High school squats - Certainly here and there there you will find some good strength coaches involved with a high school team, however more times than not, and I mean 9 out of the 10, the shit I see going on in a high school weight room is laughable.

Heh, you mean like loading up the bar with 315 and then only going halfway down?

I HATE that halfway down squats crap. At my gym there are only like 4 people that do real squats (myself included).

ChiefsOne
03-07-2011, 08:06 AM
I haven't lifted heavy for many years due to tendonitis of the elbow but I'm sure I could get 225 up several times still. Probably not 10x but several.

How do you get over that? I've had it for 6 weeks now and not getting any better. I use the armband thing and had a cortizone shot in it Friday. It is really jacking up my working out.

MOhillbilly
03-07-2011, 08:08 AM
I just wanna drink beer.

tooge
03-07-2011, 08:09 AM
I dont mess with 225. I do 425. I like to do it 25 times or so. Then have a cold beer.

ChiefsOne
03-07-2011, 08:18 AM
I just started lifting again after a very long layoff. I'm focusing on high reps at low weights to tone up.

That is a complete misconception.

ChiefsOne
03-07-2011, 08:25 AM
I won't brag on myself because I am old an broken down. But my son had his maxes a month ago when he was 15. He has a personal trainer and all lifts are done properly.

Squat 365
Bench 240
Deadlift 435
Hang Clean 255

He is 5' 10, 176

CHENZ A!
03-07-2011, 08:25 AM
Probably once.. I have long arms :(
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JASONSAUTO
03-07-2011, 08:27 AM
Out of curiosity, what do you consider a close grip? My grip is with my thumbs right on the line, so it's not wide but not inside the lines.

And I'm with you on the squats, as I detailed earlier in the thread. But with that said, I never blamed the kids that said that crap or lifted poorly. They just weren't trained properly and didn't know any better.

And I disagree somewhat with the high school reference. I started training at age 13 with Coach Sev and trust me, we were taught the "RIGHT" way to lift and lifts didn't count if they weren't done properly.

But I also imagine that there were/are schools were the rules weren't as strict. I think it all depends on the coach and program.


why wasnt that an option when we all discussed 40 times?

Spicy McHaggis
03-07-2011, 08:36 AM
My right shoulder probably wouldn't let me do one. Switching to free weights has been a godsend.

MOhillbilly
03-07-2011, 08:53 AM
Liftin weights will make you bigger, lift me youll be a dead ass nigger. -Bushwick-

DJ's left nut
03-07-2011, 08:55 AM
If 225 lbs were sitting on top of my child?

Yeah...probably still 0.

I'd blame a bad shoulder (I really did hurt my throwing arm), but mostly I've been scrawny my entire adult life and that pretty much covers it.

Amnorix
03-07-2011, 08:57 AM
I'm specifically designed by God to sit at a computer and type things. This requires a leaner design and I haven't yet come across a mouse or keyboard that weighed 25 pounds much less 225...

Radar Chief
03-07-2011, 09:12 AM
Last time I layed down on a bench with 225 I whipped out 10 fairly easy but stopped there because I could tell if I pushed much harder Iíd be in some major pain the next day.
For perspective though, my body weight averages around 250 so doing 225 X 10 is about like doing pushups.

DBOSHO
03-07-2011, 09:15 AM
I feel like such a pussy after reading this thread.

MOhillbilly
03-07-2011, 09:22 AM
i had a type III ac sep in my right shoulder & a type II in my left. When i tune up i just power through it with acouple aleve. BUT i do extreme light weight on straight bar and everything else is w/ dumbbells. If you want your bench to go up do skullcrushers.

Over-Head
03-07-2011, 09:26 AM
For perspective though, my body weight averages around 250 so doing 225 X 10 is about like doing pushups.
THIS (only i'm 215)

Brock
03-07-2011, 09:30 AM
For perspective though, my body weight averages around 250 so doing 225 X 10 is about like doing pushups.

A pushup's only about 35 percent of your body weight.

Dayze
03-07-2011, 09:32 AM
about 10 years ago, maybe 7 times.

now.
.....probably zero. lol.

RedNeckRaider
03-07-2011, 09:32 AM
I feel like such a pussy after reading this thread.

LMAO lifting weights has nothing to do with being tough. If a guy does not know how to fight and lifts until he has big muscles he just becomes a big guy that cannot fight~

Over-Head
03-07-2011, 09:37 AM
A pushup's only about 35 percent of your body weight.
Not if you do 50 a morning with your body on a 45 degree angle ;)

Radar Chief
03-07-2011, 09:42 AM
LMAO lifting weights has nothing to do with being tough. If a guy does not know how to fight and lifts until he has big muscles he just becomes a big guy that cannot fight~

When Iím watching MMA and a fighter Iíve never heard of is introduced the first thing I look for is how screwed up his ears are. If theyíre all cauliflowered up I know the guy is pretty tough. So obviously what DBOSHO needs to do is take a baseball bat to his ears and beat them until he feels tough enough to handle it here at Chiefs Planet. ;)

RedNeckRaider
03-07-2011, 09:49 AM
When Iím watching MMA and a fighter Iíve never heard of is introduced the first thing I look for is how screwed up his ears are. If theyíre all cauliflowered up I know the guy is pretty tough. So obviously what DBOSHO needs to do is take a baseball bat to his ears and beat them until he feels tough enough to handle it here at Chiefs Planet. ;)

I was just pointing out that lifting has little to do with tough IMO He said he felt like a pussy. I lifted myself but no longer do. It is a common mistake that someone sees a guy with big muscles and thinks he is a badass, some are but many are not. I did not intend to call out all the weight lifters lol~

MOhillbilly
03-07-2011, 09:53 AM
Gameness, is between the ears.

patteeu
03-07-2011, 09:53 AM
A pushup's only about 35 percent of your body weight.

He meant handstand pushups.

Radar Chief
03-07-2011, 09:54 AM
I was just pointing out that lifting has little to do with tough IMO He said he felt like a pussy. I lifted myself but no longer do. It is a common mistake that someone sees a guy with big muscles and thinks he is a badass, some are but many are not. I did not intend to call out all the weight lifters lol~

Sarcasm, Iím just playing around. ;)

DBOSHO
03-07-2011, 10:13 AM
LMAO lifting weights has nothing to do with being tough. If a guy does not know how to fight and lifts until he has big muscles he just becomes a big guy that cannot fight~

Still. Im not scrawny by any means but i struggle to put up 160 on the bench.

RedNeckRaider
03-07-2011, 10:59 AM
Still. Im not scrawny by any means but i struggle to put up 160 on the bench.

It is just a matter of putting in the time. I never had a very impressive bench. I have long arms especially for my height. I never benched over 310 lbs (legal) I did 315 with a bounce once. At that time I was 195lbs. I worked out with guys doing well over 400~

Over-Head
03-07-2011, 11:06 AM
It is just a matter of putting in the time.~ THIS
Just ask anyone who's ever mader the switch from sedatiry job to a very physical one, how their first week felt.
My upper body is wicked srtong simply because of what I do.
But then I've seen the Brydon boy's toss bales of hay one armed up 10-12 feet.
Could I do sets , hell no! But 225 for 10, i'd give me a 99.9% chance

Xanathol
03-07-2011, 01:42 PM
How Many Times Can You Bench 225No idea - I started 3 days ago and haven't stopped yet. I am typing this with my mind - Winning!

Molitoth
03-07-2011, 02:49 PM
Once!

RedNeckRaider
03-07-2011, 02:58 PM
Once!

I don't know the stat but most men cannot bench their body weight. You will meet and talk to a lot of guys who think or say they can bench this or that. The fact is 225lbs is a ton to someone who does not lift. Depending on your body weight "once" is nothing to be ashamed of. The fact of the matter is even if you weigh more than 225lbs it is still a strong number if you do not lift regular~

MOhillbilly
03-07-2011, 03:26 PM
truth- maxed out at 225 @ 15 yrs old and 190-195#.

when i was in my mid 20s id finish a 4x8 set on straight bar curls with 225.

no clue how many i could do now. maybe 10-15.

el borracho
03-07-2011, 06:42 PM
That depends entirely upon what you consider "results" to be. Are you going for a higher maximum lift or just lifting endurance? If it's the former, you need be lowering the reps and upping the weight. If not, then what you're doing is okay . . . but I'm just not sure WHY you'd be doing it.

Well, ultimately I would like to build up some muscle mass and some strength.

I split my chest routine into "heavy" days (heavy weight, low reps) on Mondays and "reps" days (light weight, high reps) on Thursdays. I'm lifting heavy weights on Mondays to build mass but I just don't feel I get that great a pump on days where I go all heavy and get only 1-3 reps per set so I've gone to this routine where I alternate. Who knows? Maybe a trainer would tell me to do it differently but I have had gains in both strength and endurance.

Silock
03-07-2011, 07:03 PM
Getting a "pump" won't make your muscles bigger, nor will it make them stronger.

If you want to get bigger, lift heavy shit a bunch of times. Don't waste your time with a "rep" day. You might want to increase the frequency, too.

el borracho
03-07-2011, 07:15 PM
Well... I am surprised that 5 sets of 8 reps is considered excessive. I am also surprised that twice a week is not enough time on one bodypart, even a large muscle group like the pecs.

Anyway, what do you recommend for someone that wants to build mass and strength? I cannot do the routine you reference in the 2011 Fitness thread because my lower back won't let me squat or deadlift anymore. I suppose I could try the routine you listed earlier in this thread but, honestly, it doesn't seem like enough work to incite growth.

Braincase
03-07-2011, 07:18 PM
That is a complete misconception.


Maybe, but if I do higher weights with any reps, I tear shit up and end up on an operating table, and I'll never lift again... so, I guess I'll live in my little fantasy world where doing a bunch of something small > doing nothing at all.

Silock
03-07-2011, 10:50 PM
Well... I am surprised that 5 sets of 8 reps is considered excessive. I am also surprised that twice a week is not enough time on one bodypart, even a large muscle group like the pecs.

It's not necessarily excessive so much as that rep range doesn't allow you to use the really heavy weights that make you as big and strong as you can be. Higher reps like that certainly have their place in every training scheme, but you have to know when to use them. You can't ALWAYS lift heavy, and it's great to take a little time and do some rep work. Likewise, if all you do is rep work, you'll never lift heavy weights. You need a good mix of the two, but definitely favoring the lower rep, heavier weight stuff to get bigger AND stronger.

Twice a week MAY be enough for you. Everyone is different, so it really depends upon how you respond and where you're at in your training experience.

I suppose I could try the routine you listed earlier in this thread but, honestly, it doesn't seem like enough work to incite growth.

Growth isn't just about the amount of work done. Growth is achieved when you push your muscles to do more than they've done before. Progressive overload is a better way to look at it than just pure volume. I mean, I could sit there and lift 135 lbs a trillion times in a workout and do way more "work" than if I lifted much higher weight for low reps. Using lighter weights, I could lift way more total tonnage in a workout and get way more volume. However, I would never grow appreciably bigger, nor would I increase my maximum lifts by any appreciable amount. The reason for this is because it's just not enough weight to really challenge my muscles. So, even though I'm doing more work, I'm not ACTUALLY doing anything to challenge my body.

However, if I start lifting (5 or so reps) 75, 80, 90, and 95% of my one-rep max, I WILL get stronger and I WILL get bigger. I'll be challenging my muscles and central nervous system, forcing them to adapt.

So, if I read it right, and if not, please correct me, you set a weight goal of around 225 for 8 reps for 5 sets, but you don't always make all the reps for each set. I think you would benefit GREATLY from resetting, starting with a lower weight and using a progressive scheme to work your way back up. I think you'll find that once you start progressing beyond 225, you'll get bigger and stronger even with less reps.

As an aside, what's wrong with your lower back? Do you do any pre/rehab work for it?

Silock
03-07-2011, 10:54 PM
Maybe, but if I do higher weights with any reps, I tear shit up and end up on an operating table, and I'll never lift again... so, I guess I'll live in my little fantasy world where doing a bunch of something small > doing nothing at all.

It IS better than doing nothing at all. However, if you're tearing yourself up doing modest weights (and by modest, I mean "non-powerlifter" type of numbers), there could be something wrong with your flexibility, warm-up and/or progression scheme. If you slowly ramp up your weights, the accompanying tendons, ligaments and joints should adapt to it. If not, you're either using ridiculously high weight, or you're going up too quickly. What were you doing last time you ended up needing surgery?

el borracho
03-08-2011, 09:16 AM
However, if I start lifting (5 or so reps) 75, 80, 90, and 95% of my one-rep max, I WILL get stronger and I WILL get bigger. I'll be challenging my muscles and central nervous system, forcing them to adapt.

So, if I read it right, and if not, please correct me, you set a weight goal of around 225 for 8 reps for 5 sets, but you don't always make all the reps for each set. I think you would benefit GREATLY from resetting, starting with a lower weight and using a progressive scheme to work your way back up. I think you'll find that once you start progressing beyond 225, you'll get bigger and stronger even with less reps.

As an aside, what's wrong with your lower back? Do you do any pre/rehab work for it?
Here's what I have been doing for chest:

Mondays
Flat bench
135 x 10
185 x 10
225 x 6-8
265 x 1-3
275 x 1-2
275 x 1-2
245 x 4-5, immediately drop weight and burn out (185 x 8-10)

Incline on a Smith machine
185 x 8
205 x 5-6, immediately drop weight and burn out (155 x 8-10)
205 x 5-6, immediately drop weight and burn out (155 x 8-10)

Thursdays
Flat bench
135 x 10
185 x 10
Five sets with a goal of 225 x 8, although I usually only hit 8 reps on the first two sets and end up with about 32 or 33 reps, total.

Incline on a Smith machine
185 x 8
185 x 7-8
185 x 7-8, immediately drop weight and burn out (155 x 8-10)

el borracho
03-08-2011, 09:21 AM
Oh, and my back is wrecked from squatting 405 as a 165lb. teen with poor form. I know... I was an idiot. Since that was more than 20 years ago, I can't imagine it will ever improve past where it is. I'm still able to do lots for my back and legs, just not squats or deadlifts or bent-over rows.

MOhillbilly
03-08-2011, 09:27 AM
4X8, iso muscle groups,forced reps, 4 lifts each muscle group. 3 on 1 off 3 on. It will take you two hours but itll make you a monster. Double up, chest & Back, Arms & shoulders, legs. off. repeat.

Sofa King
03-08-2011, 09:34 AM
I lift my playstation controller almost every day and i can hold it there for hours!

Silock
03-08-2011, 03:10 PM
Here's what I have been doing for chest:



Looks decent enough to me, aside from the Smith machine.

Sorry to hear about the back stuff. I wouldn't give up on it completely, though. I'd get some mobility work in and then work up SLOWLY with proper form, just to see how much you can actually do.

MOhillbilly
03-08-2011, 03:14 PM
goin to pick up a new rack tomorrow. Been 3 years.

Sofa King
03-08-2011, 03:15 PM
goin to pick up a new rack tomorrow. Been 3 years.

pics or GTFO..

loochy
03-08-2011, 03:16 PM
I'm still able to do lots for my back and legs, just not squats or deadlifts or bent-over rows.

So that means you really can't do much then....those are the bread and butter exercises...

MOhillbilly
03-08-2011, 03:18 PM
pics or GTFO..

give me acouple months. Lasttime i did 3 months, at the end i was doing 4/5x30 @ 185 on bench. then i got bored.

el borracho
03-08-2011, 07:04 PM
So that means you really can't do much then....those are the bread and butter exercises...

Still a lot of exercises available, even with lower back problems.

Legs
Leg Press machine
Leg Extension machine
Hack Squat machine
any of the Hamstring machines
most of the calf machines

Back
Pullups
Pulldowns
Seated Rows
Seated Cable Rows