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pr_capone
03-09-2011, 09:20 PM
I understand that a shooting foul will be called on a defensive player if he makes contact with an offensive player while in the act of shooting.

Now, how in the hell is it legal for an offensive player to fake a shot, then launch himself sideways into the defending player while "putting up a shot" and get the call? No fucking different than a soccer player flopping to get a call.

I'm half watching the TT vs MU game and a TT player just pulled that off. Got 3 free throws for jumping 4 feet to his left to be fouled by the defensive player.

Buck
03-09-2011, 09:26 PM
Yeah they usually don't call anything on that, but if the defenders feet were planted, it could be an offensive foul.

Saul Good
03-09-2011, 09:31 PM
It's a terrible rule, but that's the way it's called.

Rain Man
03-09-2011, 11:03 PM
I don't understand basketball at all. The rules aren't enforced and there don't seem to be any plays that I can tell.

pr_capone
03-09-2011, 11:04 PM
I don't understand basketball at all. The rules aren't enforced and there don't seem to be any plays that I can tell.

There used to be something called "travel" that was called once upon a time.

Bearcat
03-09-2011, 11:19 PM
It's bullshit, and I despise players who make it a habit to initiate contact when they shoot (Tyler Hansbrough & Patrick Sparks to name a couple). I wish they would at least be more consistent at not calling anything and at most call a technical foul on the shooter (only when it's over the top, of course)... that might put a stop to it.

WebGem
03-09-2011, 11:22 PM
I'm half watching the TT vs MU game and a TT player just pulled that off. Got 3 free throws for jumping 4 feet to his left to be fouled by the defensive player.

Have you never watched basketball before?

And how the hell is that a terrible rule?

Just Passin' By
03-09-2011, 11:23 PM
I understand that a shooting foul will be called on a defensive player if he makes contact with an offensive player while in the act of shooting.

Now, how in the hell is it legal for an offensive player to fake a shot, then launch himself sideways into the defending player while "putting up a shot" and get the call? No ****ing different than a soccer player flopping to get a call.

I'm half watching the TT vs MU game and a TT player just pulled that off. Got 3 free throws for jumping 4 feet to his left to be fouled by the defensive player.

Reggie Miller made a pretty good career for himself doing that.

Phobia
03-09-2011, 11:23 PM
Yeah, I don't watch basketball until there are really good wing specials at the local tavern in March.

Phobia
03-09-2011, 11:24 PM
BTW, this is a dumb thread, N00B!

pr_capone
03-09-2011, 11:25 PM
BTW, this is a dumb thread, N00B!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2794/4131292950_3d1b86ffa7.jpg

cdcox
03-09-2011, 11:26 PM
Is the team offering the most money on offense or defense in this scenario?

pr_capone
03-09-2011, 11:27 PM
Have you never watched basketball before?

And how the hell is that a terrible rule?

It's a flop for free points. How can that possibly be allowed?

WebGem
03-09-2011, 11:34 PM
It's a flop for free points. How can that possibly be allowed?

Well I mean you learn to play defense to avoid it as much as possible. It's the offensive players job to get position to where it's easier to accomplish. It's not like "OMG WE CAN JUST DO THAT FREE THING THIS POSSESSION" and you get 2 free throws every single possession. If it was that easy you could get anyone you wanted in foul trouble as soon as you wanted. It's just a part of the game.

HoneyBadger
03-09-2011, 11:52 PM
That's why basketball sucks.

Rain Man
03-09-2011, 11:56 PM
There used to be something called "travel" that was called once upon a time.

I've heard stories like that, but I think it's a myth. No one can produce any evidence.

Guru
03-10-2011, 12:48 AM
That's why basketball sucks.We should go back to peach baskets and poles.

Fruit Ninja
03-10-2011, 01:01 AM
That's why basketball sucks.

You ever seen a Chiefs game thread during football? there is nothing but bitching about the fouls in football too.

SNR
03-10-2011, 01:11 AM
The dumbest rule when it comes to free throw shooting is when a player is shooting 1 and 1 in college. I get that when it's in the act of shooting and the field goal isn't scored. That's obviously a situation where you shoot two foul shots. But all those instances where the player has to shoot 1 and 1. I never know when they happen or why. It just seems retarded. They should move to every foul is two free throws unless the field goal is made in the act of shooting or it's a foul in the act of shooting a 3.

KC_Connection
03-10-2011, 02:39 AM
The dumbest rule when it comes to free throw shooting is when a player is shooting 1 and 1 in college. I get that when it's in the act of shooting and the field goal isn't scored. That's obviously a situation where you shoot two foul shots. But all those instances where the player has to shoot 1 and 1. I never know when they happen or why. It just seems retarded. They should move to every foul is two free throws unless the field goal is made in the act of shooting or it's a foul in the act of shooting a 3.

It's quite simple really. Every half they count team fouls, and when a team fouls for the 7th time (provided it's a non-shooting foul), the other team gets a 1 and 1. This is called a bonus situation and remains the same for team fouls 8 and 9. When a team fouls for the 10th time in a half, the other team simply gets two shots. This is a double bonus situation.

Basically, the rule is in place to provide an incentive not to foul on defense too often.

kstater
03-10-2011, 03:38 AM
There's no rule that says you have to jump straight up to shoot a shot.

Lzen
03-10-2011, 07:21 AM
There's no rule that says you have to jump straight up to shoot a shot.

But there is a rule that says that if the defender has established position, it should be called a charge on the offensive player. I agree with the thread starter, its BS when its called. I didn't see the play in question, though. So I don't know if that one was obvious. Reggie Miller used to do that and it was such ridiculous garbage. And it takes away from the quality of the game giving guys cheap crap like that, IMO.

Saulbadguy
03-10-2011, 07:25 AM
Don't leave your feet, and you won't get called for the foul.

Lzen
03-10-2011, 07:40 AM
Don't leave your feet, and you won't get called for the foul.

Oh, I was under the impression that we were talking about a stationary defender. You're correct if he left his feet, he deserved to get called for the foul. Its still cheap, though.

Saulbadguy
03-10-2011, 07:46 AM
Oh, I was under the impression that we were talking about a stationary defender. You're correct if he left his feet, he deserved to get called for the foul. Its still cheap, though.

It doesn't get called that often, slightly less than once per games nationwide I bet.

The only time i've seen it called is when a defender leaves their feet - which you shouldn't do in that situation anyways.

loochy
03-10-2011, 07:48 AM
Basketball rules: The referee can make up any rule at any time or not call an obvious foul at his/her discretion. Typically, referees are encouraged to invent calls that benefit superstars, teams with large followings, or home teams.

Mr. Plow
03-10-2011, 07:56 AM
Pullen does this move well. Pump fake, defender jumps to put hand in the face, then jump into the defender while throwing up a wild shot. He nailed a KU defender in the last meeting.

He was set up to shoot a three - defender came running at him and jumped to block the shot - and he jumped into him getting the foul, even though the KU defender would have went right by him with no contact.

It's a dumb rule...especially when no contact would be made if the offensive player wasn't initiating the contact. It's called correctly, but it's a dumb rule.

thebrad84
03-10-2011, 08:11 AM
There used to be something called "travel" that was called once upon a time.

This is the worst thing about how the game is played today. I've never understood why players are allowed to take two full steps while driving in for a layup, yet if a player picks up the ball when not driving, he has to keep a planted foot down and can't take a single step at all.