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HonestChieffan
03-10-2011, 07:24 AM
Far be it to be worried that we have radical mosques. In pure PC Lefty Moonbat form this jackass is worried the King hearings may offend some bomb thrower.

Whats worse is the AG has similar issues.9http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110310/us_nm/us_usa_muslims_holder)

Holder doesn't want to "alienate" muslims. The fact that the rest of the country feels alienated by people who want to kill us, demand sharia law, stone the kids, mutilate the women, and behead family for a good time.....nah, not so much


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Jenson71
03-10-2011, 07:32 AM
How could you possibly disagree with what he said?

Amnorix
03-10-2011, 07:34 AM
Holder doesn't want to "alienate" muslims. The fact that the rest of the country feels alienated by people who want to kill us, demand sharia law, stone the kids, mutilate the women, and behead family for a good time.....nah, not so much


Don't conflate and confuse whacko Islamic fundamentalists with the hundreds of millions, if not billion(s) of decent, law abiding Muslims.

HonestChieffan
03-10-2011, 07:44 AM
Don't conflate and confuse whacko Islamic fundamentalists with the hundreds of millions, if not billion(s) of decent, law abiding Muslims.


The search continues to locate the billions.....

blaise
03-10-2011, 08:02 AM
The clip seems incomplete. He says Muslims might be offended by homegrown terror hearings, but he doesn't say whether or not the hearings should take place anyway.

HonestChieffan
03-10-2011, 08:11 AM
Cockroaches hate bright lights

HonestChieffan
03-10-2011, 08:26 AM
http://www.investigativeproject.org/2659/islamists-dominate-doj-list-of-terror-prosecutions

(IPT)- More than 80 percent of all convictions tied to international terrorist groups and homegrown terrorism since 9/11 involve defendants driven by a radical Islamist agenda, a review of Department of Justice statistics shows.

Though Muslims represent about 1 percent of the American population, they constitute defendants in 186 of the 228 cases DOJ lists.

On Thursday, the House Homeland Security Committee holds its first hearing into radicalization among Muslim Americans. Critics have taken issue with the focus on one religious minority, but the DOJ list shows that radical Islamists are disproportionately involved in terror-related crimes.

Al-Qaida is involved in the largest number of prosecutions, representing 30 percent of the 228 terror cases involving an identified group. Hizballah-affiliated defendants are involved in 10.5 percent of the cases and Hamas is part of 9 percent. Pakistani-based Lashkar-e-Tayyiba was involved in 6.5 percent of the cases.

The Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka and the Colombian FARC lead the non-Islamist terrorist groups, combining for 14 percent of the total.

The Investigative Project on Terrorism analysis involved reviewing the Justice Department’s list of more than 400 successful terrorism-related prosecutions from Sept. 11, 2001, through March 18, 2010. Those cases that demonstrated defendants with a clear Islamist agenda were placed in that category, while those without a clear tie to radical Islam were excluded. In some cases, defendants with Arabic-sounding names were excluded from the Islamist category, because no definitive tie could be made.

To see the individual case listings, and those which were considered Islamist in nature, click here. To see a separate rundown of more than 30 terror-related prosecution activity in 2010 alone, click here.

The Mad Crapper
03-10-2011, 08:32 AM
How could you possibly disagree with what he said?

Don't conflate and confuse whacko Islamic fundamentalists with the hundreds of millions, if not billion(s) of decent, law abiding Muslims.

You guys are idiots. The father of this guy:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/03/arkansas-military-recruiter-shooting

who murdered an Army recruiter was radicalized. His father tried for a year to help his son but the mosque his son went to wouldn't help and neither would the greater muslim community. And of course the police couldn't do anything either.

These people deserve to be heard.

Amnorix
03-10-2011, 09:06 AM
Though Muslims represent about 1 percent of the American population, they constitute defendants in 186 of the 228 cases DOJ lists.


US Population: 307 million (as of July 2009)

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=uspopulation&met=population&tdim=true&dl=en&hl=en&q=population+of+the+united+states


Number of Muslims in America: 307,000,000 x 1% = 3 million (rounding down slightly)

Number of defendants in DOJ terrorist cases: 186

Number of Muslim non-defendants in DOJ terrorist cases: 2,999,814

Percentage of Muslims in America who are defendants in DOJ terrorist cases: 0.00006%

Percentage of Muslims in America who are not defendants in DOJ terrorist cases: 99.99994%


That's not to say, of course, that terrorists aren't disproportionately Muslims. Of course they are. But to say that all Muslims are terrorists, or to lump them all in as one giant groupthink Anti-American machine, is absurd.

Hell, you can barely get the folks on ChiefsPlanet to agree on whether the sun is going to rise in the East tomorrow, why in the **** do you think all Muslims want America to die? :shake:

The Mad Crapper
03-10-2011, 09:12 AM
That's not to say, of course, that terrorists aren't disproportionately Muslims. Of course they are. But to say that all Muslims are terrorists


Nobody said that. That's not what the hearings are for.



why in the **** do you think all Muslims want America to die? :shake:

Nobody said that either. Why do you insist on creating a BS narrative?

LOCOChief
03-10-2011, 09:13 AM
Islam = satanism

blaise
03-10-2011, 09:14 AM
US Population: 307 million (as of July 2009)

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=uspopulation&met=population&tdim=true&dl=en&hl=en&q=population+of+the+united+states


Number of Muslims in America: 307,000,000 x 1% = 3 million (rounding down slightly)

Number of defendants in DOJ terrorist cases: 186

Number of Muslim non-defendants in DOJ terrorist cases: 2,999,814

Percentage of Muslims in America who are defendants in DOJ terrorist cases: 0.00006%

Percentage of Muslims in America who are not defendants in DOJ terrorist cases: 99.99994%


That's not to say, of course, that terrorists aren't disproportionately Muslims. Of course they are. But to say that all Muslims are terrorists, or to lump them all in as one giant groupthink Anti-American machine, is absurd.

Hell, you can barely get the folks on ChiefsPlanet to agree on whether the sun is going to rise in the East tomorrow, why in the **** do you think all Muslims want America to die? :shake:

I think that part is the issue. If that is true, then I don't see much wrong with an emphasis on Muslims during a homegrown terror hearing. Which is what I don't get about the clip - Is he saying the negative reaction should override any desire to put more focus on Muslims during hearings, and so we shouldn't put any more attention on Muslims? Or, is he saying yes, it's a concern but we need to do it anyway, and just try and be as conscious of it as we can?

The Mad Crapper
03-10-2011, 09:18 AM
Every other Saturday, Melvin Bledsoe makes a two-hour drive from Memphis to visit the son he still calls by his given name. [...]

Bledsoe studies the face of this dark-haired, brown-eyed 24-year-old in blue prison scrubs and sometimes catches a glimpse of the happy-go-lucky Carlos he raised. Other times, it's Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, the Muslim convert charged in a shooting at a Little Rock Army recruiting center last summer that killed one soldier and injured another.

That day, two privates who'd recently completed basic training were taking a cigarette break outside when Muhammad drove in front of the building and allegedly opened fire.

Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula, 18, of Jacksonville, Ark., was wounded. Pvt. William A. Long, 23, of Conway, Ark., was shot dead. Long's mother was in the parking lot and heard the shots. She looked around and saw her son lying on the ground.

Bledsoe wants to understand how his son turned from middle-class Memphis roots to become a self-described member of al-Qaida who waged what he has described as a "jihadi attack on infidel forces."

"I want to know how, who and why this happened to my son," Bledsoe said. "And I say to you, if it happened to my son today, tomorrow it can be your son. This is something the American people need to wake up to. Tomorrow they could be looking for someone with blond hair and blue eyes."

Muhammad's trial, which is set for June 7, won't likely provide those answers. Pulaski County prosecutors, who are seeking the death penalty in the case in which Muhammad is charged with capital murder, attempted capital murder and 10 counts of unlawful discharge of a firearm from a vehicle, won't explore his religious beliefs or his claimed extremist ties.

"There's just no need for me to worry about what he says or to try to understand his motivation or anything else," said Pulaski County Prosecutor Larry Jegley. "All I care about is what he did and what I think I can prove that he did. Whether he claims to be a Martian who flew in here on a spaceship or whatever doesn't matter."


If we were under Martian attack, that would be a criminally stupid statement. But of course we are under Islamic jihad attack, and no one (except me) will say that Jegley is criminally stupid for ignoring that. Instead, most will hail his freedom from "bigotry" and "Islamophobia."

Bledsoe, 54, says his heart "bleeds for the families of the victims." But he believes the case has broader implications than authorities admit. In the months since the shooting, he has begun his own investigation.
Bledsoe says his son began to change about a year and a half into his studies at Tennessee State University in Nashville, shortly after his first brush with the law.

"He decided to go off to Knoxville one night with a group of other guys and got into some trouble," Bledsoe said. "He was arrested for having illegal guns and a little marijuana."

But the charges were dropped and expunged from his record, according to Bledsoe. The incident "scared him straight." He wanted to change his life but didn't think he was getting enough from the Baptist church. He checked out a synagogue, then a Nashville mosque.

His son started watching Malcolm X movies and read the teachings of Louis Farrakhan but soon became a Sunni Muslim. Bledsoe believes that foreign nationals his son met in Nashville led him to extremist ideas.

Over time, his son became deeply observant, and family members became concerned that he was too focused on religion. But they never heard him talk about extremist ideas or doing harm to anyone. He was "just someone trying to find his way in life," Bledsoe said.

In 2007, Carlos Bledsoe legally changed his name to Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad. In September of that year, he traveled to Yemen to teach English and learn Arabic to better study the Quran. He told his family he wanted to find a wife.

"I did not like it," Bledsoe said. "But, you have a year's contract at this place where you're going to teach. I'm saying to myself, 'You aren't going to like it. In a year's time, you'll be dying to get back.'"

Muhammad kept in touch every so often. Then one night after he'd been in Yemen about a year, Bledsoe got a late-night phone call from a woman whose English was so broken he could hardly understand her. It was Muhammad's wife, Reena. They got disconnected. Bledsoe worried that something was terribly wrong.

A few days later, they reconnected. Reena told Bledsoe that his son was in prison because he'd overstayed his visa. He later learned that Muhammad also had a fake Somali passport. After more than three months in jail, Muhammad was deported.

About four months after his return, he was working at a new office of his father's tour bus company in Little Rock. His family had no sense of what was to come.

On June 1, law enforcement officials say, Muhammad allegedly waged his attack with an assault rifle.

Not long after his arrest, Muhammad made a collect call from jail to The Associated Press to say the killing was justified because of U.S. military action in the Middle East. In January, he wrote a letter to the judge, saying he wanted to plead guilty to all charges and was affiliated with al-Qaida.

"I wasn't insane or post-traumatic, nor was I forced to do this act, which I believe," he wrote, "and it is justified according to Islamic laws and the Islamic religion. Jihad -- to fight those who wage war on Islam and Muslims."...

Bledsoe's questions remain unanswered. He wants to know why his son's case isn't in federal court, and how he was able to buy a gun at a Walmart in Little Rock despite being interviewed previously by the FBI.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/03/prosecutor-of-arkansas-jihad-murderer-whether-he-claims-to-be-a-martian-who-flew-in-here-on-a-spaces.html

HonestChieffan
03-10-2011, 09:41 AM
Gotta love Democrat/Leftists who cannot see the threats....http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110310/ap_on_re_us/us_muslims_terror_hearings_thompson

Better to have radicals and look the other way than find them and get them the hell out.

Jenson71
03-10-2011, 09:46 AM
Gotta love Democrat/Leftists who cannot see the threats....http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110310/ap_on_re_us/us_muslims_terror_hearings_thompson

Better to have radicals and look the other way than find them and get them the hell out.

Democrats support terrorists.

Amnorix
03-10-2011, 09:50 AM
Nobody said that. That's not what the hearings are for.




Nobody said that either. Why do you insist on creating a BS narrative?


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The search continues to locate the billions.....

HonestChieffan
03-10-2011, 09:50 AM
Fight terrorism with love....the student approach

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/03/10/columbia-univ-students-unbelievably-naive-views-of-islamic-terrorism-we-need-to-fight-al-qaeda-with-love/

The Mad Crapper
03-10-2011, 09:54 AM
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"Nobody said that " ie Peter King.

:rolleyes:

The Mad Crapper
03-10-2011, 10:13 AM
These hearings are 17 years to late:

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a022693wtcbombing

Maybe if we addressed this problem in 1994, we might not even be in Iraq and Afghanistan for the past ten years, and the WTC would still be standing.

It ****ing makes me sick.

go bowe
03-11-2011, 10:52 AM
These hearings are 17 years to late:

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a022693wtcbombing

Maybe if we addressed this problem in 1994, we might not even be in Iraq and Afghanistan for the past ten years, and the WTC would still be standing.

It ****ing makes me sick.ok, then how should we have addressed the problem in 1994?

patteeu
03-11-2011, 11:29 AM
Democrats support terrorists.

In fairness, they only do so if they think it will generate votes from the naive segment of our voting population. Most of them aren't true believers (Keith Ellison perhaps excepted), just cynical.