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SPchief
03-12-2011, 11:01 PM
Thats right Daface. There was no explosion there no meltdown.

Everything you said was true.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/12/AR2011031205493.html?hpid=topnews

And thanks for the ban D**Kface.

:spock:

SPchief
03-12-2011, 11:02 PM
Know what the funniest part is? The "ban" wasn't even me.

Oh, the humanity!

Fucking Bob Damned Dole

googlegoogle
03-12-2011, 11:33 PM
Well, at least you finally admitted it.

Now two reactors are in meltdown.

Thanks again D**cheFace.

Bowser
03-12-2011, 11:36 PM
Now two reactors are in meltdown.

Thanks again D**cheFace.

You have been destroyed in this thread. Absolutely knocked on your ass, and yet you still throw out lame names and insults to the mod that didn't even take away your ability to create posts. :facepalm:

googlegoogle
03-12-2011, 11:36 PM
Know what the funniest part is? The "ban" wasn't even me.

Oh, the humanity!


Who then?

Rams Fan
03-12-2011, 11:38 PM
Who then?

One of the 3 other mods.

googlegoogle
03-12-2011, 11:38 PM
You have been destroyed in this thread. Absolutely knocked on your ass, and yet you still throw out lame names and insults to the mod that didn't even take away your ability to create posts. :facepalm:


The original topic that got me banned = " Japan going Chernobyl. "

Who's owned here? ROFL


Give me a ****ing break. Are you being paid in rep? Butt time with Bob Dole?

Bowser
03-12-2011, 11:39 PM
The original topic that got me banned = " Japan going Chernobyl. "

Who's owned here? ROFL


Give me a ****ing break. Are you being paid in rep? Butt time with Bob Dole?

Don't be pissed at me because you're only about as smart as a bag full of nipples.

Rams Fan
03-12-2011, 11:40 PM
The original topic that got me banned = " Japan going Chernobyl. "

Who's owned here? ROFL


Give me a ****ing break. Are you being paid in rep? Butt time with Bob Dole?

Except you're not banned. You just can't start threads.

DaFace
03-12-2011, 11:45 PM
The original topic that got me banned = " Japan going Chernobyl. "

Who's owned here? ROFL


Give me a ****ing break. Are you being paid in rep? Butt time with Bob Dole?

You lost your thread privs two weeks ago. When someone tried to FURTHER restrict your privs yesterday, it accidentally re-allowed you to start threads. This thread is evidence of why you shouldn't be allowed to post threads, but it's not the reason you lost your privs in the first place.

Rams Fan
03-12-2011, 11:46 PM
DaFace, is this going to the HOC or not?

googlegoogle
03-12-2011, 11:47 PM
Except you're not banned. You just can't start threads.


There is some mod who isn't naming himself that banned me. He needs to speak up.

Maybe H1B1's the mod.

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Original Post:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=7485874
Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by |Zach|
You said the reactor exploded.
Did you watch the news tonight?

They said the reactor exploded.

Denial.
Warnings serve as a reminder to you of the forum's rules, which you are expected to understand and follow.

All the best,
ChiefsPlanet
nothing fake or false there you idiot.
POST ABOUT IT ON THE THREAD, HAHAHA YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION

ROFL.

H1 is fucking retard of epic proportions. What watered down IQ test did he pass to become a moderator?

Bowser
03-12-2011, 11:48 PM
That H1B1 should be banned, immediately.

Ebolapox
03-12-2011, 11:49 PM
OMG HAHAHAHA IM A SECRET MOD HAHAHAHAHA SUCK YOUR MAMA'S SCROTUM

Rams Fan
03-12-2011, 11:49 PM
googlegoogle, H5N1 isn't a mod. He's a supporter. Supporters can give infractions. DaFace, Bob Dole, Morphius and Austin Chief are mods.

Ebolapox
03-12-2011, 11:50 PM
googlegoogle, H5N1 isn't a mod. He's a supporter. Supporters can give infractions. DaFace, Bob Dole, Morphius and Austin Chief are mods.

DONT RUIN THE SECRET HE THINKS IM A MOD HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Phobia
03-12-2011, 11:50 PM
Except you're not banned. You just can't start threads.

That is the same as being banned just like an explosion is the same as a reactor meltdown.

googlegoogle
03-12-2011, 11:51 PM
googlegoogle, H5N1 isn't a mod. He's a supporter. Supporters can give infractions. DaFace, Bob Dole, Morphius and Austin Chief are mods.

Morphius didn't reply to pm's either. Pretty much cowards.

Rams Fan
03-12-2011, 11:52 PM
DONT RUIN THE SECRET HE THINKS IM A MOD HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I tried telling him before, but he wouldn't listen. There's no use in trying to tell him something if he's not going to listen.

That is the same as being banned just like an explosion is the same as a reactor meltdown.

Ha.LMAO

Morphius didn't reply to pm's either. Pretty much cowards.

No. Just because a mod doesn't respond to you doesn't mean they're a coward. If I were you, I'd ask why did I lose thread starting privileges and how I could get them back. I've had mine taken away from me before after I asked DaFace to take them away from me. Not a big deal.

morphius
03-12-2011, 11:52 PM
I think you would be hard pressed to find a mod that thought it was a bad idea...

Ebolapox
03-12-2011, 11:53 PM
I tried telling him before, but he wouldn't listen. There's no use in trying to tell him something if he's not going to listen.



Ha.LMAO

AND THEN THERE'S MAUDE, THAT'S AN INFRACTION YOU FART SMELLER!:evil::LOL::thumb::hmmm::banghead::harumph::drool:

googlegoogle
03-12-2011, 11:55 PM
That is the same as being banned just like an explosion is the same as a reactor meltdown.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=238287
You shutup.

googlegoogle
03-12-2011, 11:57 PM
I think you would be hard pressed to find a mod that thought it was a bad idea...


Ok, Now tell me why?

This should be interesting.

Phobia
03-12-2011, 11:57 PM
http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=238287
You shutup.

You're right. That was a terrible thread. It was one of the worst I ever started. But, it was still better than your best thread.

Phobia
03-12-2011, 11:59 PM
I just changed my mind, googlegoogle. I am a bad, bad thread starter. I should have my rights removed too. Somebody please ban me immediately.

morphius
03-13-2011, 12:00 AM
Ok, Now tell me why?

This should be interesting.
Have you even read the opinions of the posters in this thread? Heck, has there been a post in this entire thread by anyone thinking you should be given the right back?

googlegoogle
03-13-2011, 12:02 AM
You're right. That was a terrible thread. It was one of the worst I ever started. But, it was still better than your best thread.

I would rather talk news than read your BS fuc*buddy threads.

I spend most of my time on DC lounge anyways retard. Paint fumes affecting you.

Rams Fan
03-13-2011, 12:02 AM
You're not making any friends here by being vile, googlegoogle.

googlegoogle
03-13-2011, 12:05 AM
Have you even read the opinions of the posters in this thread? Heck, has there been a post in this entire thread by anyone thinking you should be given the right back?


That's a bullsh__ answer. I only heard DaFace talk about banning. You're just covering for him.

Sofa King banned me and gave no reason why other than disagree with my politics. Said i called someone a Socialist. Pure bullsh**.

googlegoogle
03-13-2011, 12:06 AM
You're not making any friends here by being vile, googlegoogle.
:spock:

Rams Fan
03-13-2011, 12:06 AM
googlegoogle, just answer this question. No one will think any less of you and people might be more accepting to your posts if you tell the truth. And if you aren't "special", I apologize for bringing this quote backup.

I don't intend for this to be insulting, but are you...special? It's OK if you are, but I honestly can't believe this has all been an act. You have a severe issue with understanding the relative importance of events, not to mention reading comprehension. Your grip on reality is just...astounding.

|Zach|
03-13-2011, 12:10 AM
That's a bullsh__ answer. I only heard DaFace talk about banning. You're just covering for him.

Sofa King banned me and gave no reason why other than disagree with my politics. Said i called someone a Socialist. Pure bullsh**.

You.

Are.

Not.

Banned.

morphius
03-13-2011, 12:10 AM
That's a bullsh__ answer. I only heard DaFace talk about banning. You're just covering for him.

Sofa King banned me and gave no reason why other than disagree with my politics. Said i called someone a Socialist. Pure bullsh**.
None of the mods "banned" you. Obviously there is no reason to go into details, because a few other people already explained it and it's too late for me to bring out the crayons.

When people send me PM's wondering why they are banned, I generally ignore them, because if they were banned they wouldn't be able to send PM's. I also don't generally don't undo something another moderator has done.

Phobia
03-13-2011, 12:11 AM
Have you even read the opinions of the posters in this thread? Heck, has there been a post in this entire thread by anyone thinking you should be given the right back?

If I hadn't been banned, I would start a poll to prove this very fact.

|Zach|
03-13-2011, 12:11 AM
Sorry googlegoogle. Micheal Young is not going to play on the Rangers anymore.

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="853" height="510" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/G6-ks_UP988" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

|Zach|
03-13-2011, 12:12 AM
None of the mods "banned" you. Obviously there is no reason to go into details, because a few other people already explained it and it's too late for me to bring out the crayons.

When people send me PM's wondering why they are banned, I generally ignore them, because if they were banned they wouldn't be able to send PM's. I also don't generally don't undo something another moderator has done.

LMAO

googlegoogle
03-13-2011, 12:12 AM
I don't intend for this to be insulting, but are you...special? It's OK if you are, but I honestly can't believe this has all been an act. You have a severe issue with understanding the relative importance of events, not to mention reading comprehension. Your grip on reality is just...astounding.

And for the record, part of my job description is "listen to insults from irate people and don't care," so feel free to continue them if you feel the need. I actually just defended you to one of the other mods - you were close to going even further toward the dark side. And a third mod recently tried to take away your PM capabilities as well, but that interfered with your other restriction on thread starter abilities. It's not just me. Pretty much everyone here thinks your threads are useless.


Nice try calling me crazy.

Actually i've tried to contact mods before and they wouldn't reply. Who's being civil?

You defended me? Really. You never mentioned that before. You even jested that it was time for another ban on privileges.

I still haven't received a reply on which mod wants to ban thread starting topics.

I NEVER HARDLY POST IN THE LOUNGE ANYWAYS. Is it SofaKing?

|Zach|
03-13-2011, 12:13 AM
Nice try calling me crazy.

Actually i've tried to contact mods before and they wouldn't reply. Who's being civil?

You defended me? Really. You never mentioned that before. You even jested that it was time for another ban on privileges.

I still haven't received a reply on which mod wants to ban thread starting topics.

I NEVER HARDLY POST IN THE LOUNGE ANYWAYS. Is it SofaKing?

SofaKing isn't a mod.

Easy 6
03-13-2011, 12:14 AM
googlegoogle > ATTENTION WHORE

JOhn
03-13-2011, 12:14 AM
Good lord, why are we still letting the ****tard still even post?:doh!:

How I long for the days when crap like this was dealt with effectivelyROFL

Phobia
03-13-2011, 12:14 AM
Nice try calling me crazy.


I don't think he's calling you crazy. He's calling you Slingblade, dummy.

Phobia
03-13-2011, 12:15 AM
SofaKing isn't a mod.

Yes, he is.

Rams Fan
03-13-2011, 12:16 AM
Nice try calling me crazy.



Some people who have mental disabilities are misunderstood and usually aren't crazy.

googlegoogle
03-13-2011, 12:19 AM
None of the mods "banned" you. Obviously there is no reason to go into details, because a few other people already explained it and it's too late for me to bring out the crayons.

When people send me PM's wondering why they are banned, I generally ignore them, because if they were banned they wouldn't be able to send PM's. I also don't generally don't undo something another moderator has done.

It is a partial ban.

It's BS. You wont even give a reason or the name of the thread that bothered that mod.

It's because that mod wants to silence political speech. That's where i post most often.

I don't even start new threads often.

googlegoogle
03-13-2011, 12:20 AM
Sofa King started this.

Here's his pc biased message to me.
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Originally Posted by Sofa King
So i hear through the grapevine that you were bitching about being banned.

How the hell does your dumbass not get it by now?
You're an idiot.

I didn't do anything worthy of a ban.

How much money did you pay to get mod rights?
You didn't do anything worthy of a ban? are you ****ing kidding me? 90% of your posts are racist or socialist, the other 10% just suck.

And i've been a mod for a long time now, they asked ME to do it because i'm fair.

Take your ban like a man, commy.


There you go. Chiefsplanet liberal dumbass mod who abuses his mod rights.

HotRoute
03-13-2011, 12:23 AM
I don't think he's calling you crazy. He's calling you Slingblade, dummy.

ROFL

Phobia
03-13-2011, 12:24 AM
I don't even start new threads often.
More than 10% of your total posts are new threads. You have started 500 threads in the past 14 months.

By the same token, I have been on this site for 11 years. I have started just over 500 threads.

teedubya
03-13-2011, 12:26 AM
This will be helpful in monitoring the radiation in the US.

http://www.radiationnetwork.com/RadiationNetwork.htm

BIG_DADDY
03-13-2011, 12:31 AM
More than 10% of your total posts are new threads. You have started 500 threads in the past 14 months.

By the same token, I have been on this site for 11 years. I have started just over 500 threads.

LMAO

|Zach|
03-13-2011, 12:31 AM
More than 10% of your total posts are new threads. You have started 500 threads in the past 14 months.

By the same token, I have been on this site for 11 years. I have started just over 500 threads.

Wow.

Phobia
03-13-2011, 12:36 AM
Actually, it's 9.33%, but who's counting?

He has around 4600 posts. If he had started 460 threads, that would be 10%.

Dartgod
03-13-2011, 12:37 AM
googlegoogle could possibly be the dumbest sonofabitch on the face of the earth. Someone should shoot him before he reproduces.

Rams Fan
03-13-2011, 12:38 AM
He has around 4600 posts. If he had started 460 threads, that would be 10%.

I did my math wrong. I didn't put 500(the # of threads he's started) over 4,667(his # of posts). You're right. It ends up being 10.71%

Dave Lane
03-13-2011, 12:43 AM
googlegoogle > FUCKING MORON

FYP

Phobia
03-13-2011, 12:44 AM
You might want to pm Dave Lane to see if you can get your thread rights back, googlegoogle.

Buck
03-13-2011, 12:52 AM
I just banned his ass too.

googlegoogle
03-13-2011, 12:53 AM
googlegoogle could possibly be the dumbest sonofabitch on the face of the earth. Someone should shoot him before he reproduces.


Deaththreat.

Probably ignored by mods. :thumb:

|Zach|
03-13-2011, 12:55 AM
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Buck
03-13-2011, 12:55 AM
<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="510" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/81Nl7VYFEaI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

COME ON!

JOhn
03-13-2011, 12:56 AM
Deaththreat.

Probably ignored by mods. :thumb:

ROFL

NO, but had he said he was going to kill you, that would be a death threat.

googlegoogle
03-13-2011, 12:58 AM
ROFL

NO, but had he said he was going to kill you, that would be a death threat.


Someone should shoot you and Dartking! ROFL

googlegoogle
03-13-2011, 01:16 AM
More than 10% of your total posts are new threads. You have started 500 threads in the past 14 months.

By the same token, I have been on this site for 11 years. I have started just over 500 threads.

500 seems to top out for the software. I know you've started more than that.

booger
03-13-2011, 03:00 AM
ROFL

Dude, that's were Phelps trains. That radioactive water makes him a monster in the 100m.

Fred and the gang? That explains it

baitism
03-13-2011, 03:46 AM
googlegoogle should get one thread to start that only he can post in, and he can't post anywhere else.

|Zach|
03-13-2011, 03:55 AM
googlegoogle should get one thread to start that only he can post in, and he can't post anywhere else.

lol

Dave Lane
03-13-2011, 09:01 AM
I'm disappointed G2 hasn't melted down yet. Damn maybe the meth is wearing off. G2 I have another $10 for your to continue to entertain us.

loochy
03-13-2011, 09:25 AM
Why, Mr. googlegoogle? Why do you do it? Why get up? Why keep fighting? Do you believe you're fighting for something? For more than your survival? Can you tell me what it is? Do you even know? Is it freedom? Or truth? Perhaps peace? Could it be for love? Illusions, Mr. googlegoogle. Vagaries of perception. The temporary constructs of a feeble human intellect trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meaning or purpose. And all of them as artificial as the Matrix itself. Although, only a human mind could invent something as insipid as love. You must be able to see it, Mr. googlegoogle. You must know it by now. You can't win. It's pointless to keep fighting. Why, Mr. googlegoogle, Why? Why do you persist?

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/AL_LIocm_Ro/0.jpg

kstater
03-13-2011, 09:32 AM
I still haven't received a reply on which mod wants to ban thread starting topics.



Hint: It's ALL of them

Bwana
03-13-2011, 09:34 AM
Are we dead yet?

seclark
03-13-2011, 10:55 AM
wtf is going on here?
i take one day off, and come back to earthquakes, tsunamis, nuclear meltdowns, and everyone picking on gg.
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Baby Lee
03-13-2011, 11:15 AM
COME ON!

God that show holds up. I was grinning in anticipation of Gob's Shouldshouldshouldshouldshouldshould meltdown, and forgot about Michael's half concerned half annoyed lip purse in the middle of it.

ROFL ROFL

Ebolapox
03-13-2011, 11:25 AM
Nice try calling me crazy.

Actually i've tried to contact mods before and they wouldn't reply. Who's being civil?

You defended me? Really. You never mentioned that before. You even jested that it was time for another ban on privileges.

I still haven't received a reply on which mod wants to ban thread starting topics.

I NEVER HARDLY POST IN THE LOUNGE ANYWAYS. Is it SofaKing?

HE CALLED YOU RETARDED YOU FUCKING DUNCE

Ebolapox
03-13-2011, 11:27 AM
It is a partial ban.

It's BS. You wont even give a reason or the name of the thread that bothered that mod.

It's because that mod wants to silence political speech. That's where i post most often.

I don't even start new threads often.

AND IT'S A GOOD THING CAUSE YOU'RE FUCKING RETARDED

loochy
03-13-2011, 11:28 AM
I think googlegoogle is about 15 years old. Is this correct?

loochy
03-13-2011, 11:31 AM
So if someone's retarded you make fun of them?

well usually...unless there is someone big and bad defending them

Ebolapox
03-13-2011, 11:32 AM
So if someone's retarded you make fun of them?

if they're actually retarded, not really. but if they're smart enough to make their way on the internet, they get it double barrel.

Ebolapox
03-13-2011, 11:33 AM
well usually...unless there is someone big and bad defending them

it's a good thing I didn't vote for rams fan in the rival fan poll: he's a fuggin' white knight!

Ebolapox
03-13-2011, 11:36 AM
Yeah, so if I have a friend who has a mild case of retardation and knows how to use the internet, would you make fun of him?

can he set up his own computer, sign up for an isp, set up a wireless network, and take care of any issues if the signal isn't good enough OR the network needs to be reset?

yeah. didn't think so. none of that is difficult, but not exactly within the repertoire of your average person with MMR.

loochy
03-13-2011, 11:37 AM
Yeah, so if I have a friend who has a mild case of retardation and knows how to use the internet, would you make fun of him?

Does your friend find articles on the internet, grossly misinterpret them, make postings on chiefsplanet about it, and then argue endlessly when he gets his BS called? If so, then yeah, he'd probably get made fun of.

Ebolapox
03-13-2011, 11:38 AM
Yeah, so if I have a friend who has a mild case of retardation and knows how to use the internet, would you make fun of him?



No, I'm not. I'm just sensitive to that word being used and I've mentioned why in multiple threads.

it only means 'slowed down.' you can retard growth (slow growth or stunt growth) of a plant. like a ton of other words in our language, it's how it's taken and used.

at the end of the day: it's only a freakin' word. will I censor myself because you get butthurt over a fucking word? nope.

Ebolapox
03-13-2011, 11:41 AM
The reason why he can't is because he has freaking Cerebral Palsy. His muscles are weak. He can open his own laptop, type, all of that stuff but probably couldn't do that because of his physical limitations.

I've worked with dudes with cerebral palsy. for the most part, THEY'RE NOT RETARDED, they just have muscle issues. yeah. THEY.ARE.NOT.RETARDED (for the most part).

so, apples and oranges. hell, I also wouldn't call a dude with ALS retarded. I mean, seriously, dude?

kstater
03-13-2011, 11:42 AM
I'm not asking you to. I'm gonna go ahead and delete my posts about it. It's just the one thing that puts me over the edge sometimes. Sorry.

You have more pussy mood swings than a PMSing 16 year old girl.

loochy
03-13-2011, 11:43 AM
You have more pussy mood swings than a PMSing 16 year old girl.

ROFL

luv
03-13-2011, 12:02 PM
Rams Fan -

You give in way too easily. If you believe in something, don't back down. With that, though, you should realize that "retard(ed)" is one of those words people throw around on here, and you probably will never change that. You can rest assured that we are not talking about anyone you know when we say it. You will probably get a little more respect if, once you've made an argument (especially over something you feel strongly about), you quit backing down. This isn't the first time you've gone back and deleted posts. STOP DOING THAT.

Rams Fan
03-13-2011, 12:11 PM
Rams Fan -

You give in way too easily. If you believe in something, don't back down. With that, though, you should realize that "retard(ed)" is one of those words people throw around on here, and you probably will never change that. You can rest assured that we are not talking about anyone you know when we say it. You will probably get a little more respect if, once you've made an argument (especially over something you feel strongly about), you quit backing down. This isn't the first time you've gone back and deleted posts. STOP DOING THAT.

I found it stupid that I keep on arguing over something that obviously makes me pissed and over something that I've stated that I've had problems with. I'll stop deleting posts...

Phobia
03-13-2011, 01:15 PM
500 seems to top out for the software. I know you've started more than that.

That's correct. 500. Except that my 500th thread takes us all the way back to the year 2000. http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=2339

Your 500th thread takes us back to Jan of 2010.

I figured you'd go down this road even though it pokes more holes in your case. It's because you're not smart. Please stop being not smart.

Dave Lane
03-13-2011, 01:51 PM
Interesting. I'd never checked that before. I have 312 threads since 2000. You have to hand it to G2 he's a thread starting machine.

Bwana
03-13-2011, 01:56 PM
Interesting. I'd never checked that before. I have 312 threads since 2000. You have to hand it to G2 he's a thread starting machine.

338 here since 2000.

kcfanXIII
03-13-2011, 02:16 PM
Wow. Earthquake, tsunami, G2 meltdown. Hell of a week for natural disasters.

Phobia
03-13-2011, 03:06 PM
Interesting. I'd never checked that before. I have 312 threads since 2000. You have to hand it to G2 he's a thread starting machine.

Considering I was an Admin for more than half those 11 years and started frequent threads as part of that role, 500 really isn't a lot of threads for me.

seclark
03-13-2011, 03:18 PM
says 65 for me, but i think it's bs. i know it shows my nic and all, but a lot of them are about subjects i'm sure i wouldn't have posted on. some pretty big words that appear to be spelled right too.

mostly all the older ones from the archives.
don't think so.
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Phobia
03-13-2011, 03:20 PM
says 65 for me, but i think it's bs. i know it shows my nic and all, but a lot of them are about subjects i'm sure i wouldn't have posted on. some pretty big words that appear to be spelled right too.

mostly all the older ones from the archives.
don't think so.
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Yeah. The real old ones from 2000/2001 are all screwy.

seclark
03-13-2011, 03:21 PM
Yeah. The real old ones from 2000/2001 are all screwy.

ah, thanks.
i was pretty sure i wasn't that smart.
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Delano
03-13-2011, 03:36 PM
God that show holds up. I was grinning in anticipation of Gob's Shouldshouldshouldshouldshouldshould meltdown, and forgot about Michael's half concerned half annoyed lip purse in the middle of it.

ROFL ROFL

http://static.tumblr.com/r9clalb/9ymlebnxv/lucille-animated-gif-arrested-development-3695222-275-155.gif

Baby Lee
03-13-2011, 04:07 PM
https://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/

teedubya
03-14-2011, 02:00 AM
I've been watching http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv and this is what I saw.

The #3 Reactor containment building exploded. At the #3 reactor, they are using MOX fuel...

I understand it as smoke is coming from #1 and an explosion at #3. Also, #2 is nearly out of coolant.

teedubya
03-14-2011, 02:04 AM
This kind of sucks, regardless of how many RADs. They are saying that the radioactive cloud (due to reactor #1 which blew two nights ago) has NOT gotten up into the jet stream, at least a good portion of it, that means it is low to the ground. Bad for japan, but good for those of us to the west. A meteorologist on coast to coast nite before last said it would take long time for it to get up that high and by that time the earth would rotate or whatever and could just as well turn and hit Russia with cloud.

http://squall.sfsu.edu/gif/jetstream_pac_loop.gif

rrl308
03-14-2011, 02:29 AM
USS Reagan passed through a radioactive cloud exposing members on deck to radiation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/14/world/asia/14plume.html?_r=1

FAX
03-14-2011, 02:35 AM
USS Reagan passed through a radioactive cloud exposing members on deck to radiation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/14/world/asia/14plume.html?_r=1

Great news. Just great.

FAX

johnny961
03-14-2011, 03:15 AM
Considering I was an Admin for more than half those 11 years and started frequent threads as part of that role, 500 really isn't a lot of threads for me.

I haven't been a member that long but knew you used to be an admin here. I would have guessed your started thread count to have been much higher. Not trying to be an ass by stating this its just that I would have guessed it to be much higher. Shows how much this dumb n00b knows.

cookster50
03-14-2011, 07:35 AM
I haven't been a member that long but knew you used to be an admin here. I would have guessed your started thread count to have been much higher. Not trying to be an ass by stating this its just that I would have guessed it to be much higher. Shows how much this dumb n00b knows.

Shutup n00b.

Sofa King
03-14-2011, 09:19 AM
LMAO




poor googlegoogle....

Donger
03-14-2011, 09:55 AM
USS Reagan passed through a radioactive cloud exposing members on deck to radiation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/14/world/asia/14plume.html?_r=1

I seriously doubt that.

Dave Lane
03-14-2011, 10:24 AM
Great news. Just great.

FAX

There is no radioactive cloud. Reading and comprehension is critical here.

Sofa King
03-14-2011, 11:59 AM
<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/SaYUqXAmXRQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>



NSFW!!

FAX
03-14-2011, 12:07 PM
There is no radioactive cloud. Reading and comprehension is critical here.

Mr. rrl308 said there was a radioactive cloud. And if he said it, there must be one.

FAX

googlegoogle
03-14-2011, 12:43 PM
LMAO




poor googlegoogle....


You're a Dakota F-A-G-GOT. :thumb: How did you get mod rights?

Dave Lane
03-14-2011, 12:49 PM
Ohoh word filter avoidance. This isn't going to end well.

Probably what G2's mom said when he was delivered.

Dave Lane
03-14-2011, 12:50 PM
You're a Dakota F-A-G-GOT. :thumb: How did you get mod rights?

Are Dakota ones special somehow?

Donger
03-14-2011, 12:50 PM
You're a Dakota F-A-G-GOT. :thumb: How did you get mod rights?

I smell your death.

Bowser
03-14-2011, 12:54 PM
Quick, somebody post that GoChiefs inspired gif of the evil guy laughing.

DaFace
03-14-2011, 01:19 PM
Huh. Oddly, that may be the first truly collaborative ban from infractions ever. It's just for two days, though.

MOhillbilly
03-14-2011, 01:19 PM
I dont know why you guys give GG such a hard damn time. Maybe if yall let up abit hed relax.

Bowser
03-14-2011, 01:22 PM
I dont know why you guys give GG such a hard damn time. Maybe if yall let up abit hed relax.

I doubt it. He goes through his stretches where he doesn't stir the shit much, but it never fails. GG is "that" guy.

seclark
03-14-2011, 01:34 PM
I dont know why you guys give GG such a hard damn time. Maybe if yall let up abit hed relax.

i have no idea wth is going on. is he really banded?

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Donger
03-14-2011, 01:35 PM
So Sofa King banned him?

Rams Fan
03-14-2011, 01:35 PM
Holy crap.

Just Passin' By
03-14-2011, 01:36 PM
I'm sure he'll be much calmer after having 2 days vacation.



Flowers and lollipops will be coming our way.

Rain Man
03-14-2011, 01:37 PM
i have no idea wth is going on. is he really banded?

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He is, but it's only so we can observe his migratory patterns.

Rams Fan
03-14-2011, 01:38 PM
I smell your death.

It smells like atomic waste.

Brock
03-14-2011, 01:39 PM
you dirty mods

seclark
03-14-2011, 01:39 PM
So Sofa King banned him?

apparently...gg was the cocky skinny runt that punched the sleeping bull in the face one too many times.
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Donger
03-14-2011, 01:40 PM
Great, another mod. Just what this place needs.

Rams Fan
03-14-2011, 01:41 PM
If Sofa King's a mod, I'm screwed.

Sofa King
03-14-2011, 01:42 PM
So Sofa King banned him?

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/IfYpH6H5ujc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS!!!!






NSFW

Donger
03-14-2011, 01:44 PM
I'd like to be a mod for a few minutes so that I could ban myself, just to see how it feels.

seclark
03-14-2011, 01:47 PM
I'd like to be a mod for a few minutes so that I could ban myself, just to see how it feels.

strangely enough, some people seem to feel it w/o it even being done.
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Donger
03-14-2011, 01:48 PM
strangely enough, some people seem to feel it w/o it even being done.
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It's not me, is it?

Rain Man
03-14-2011, 01:49 PM
Have I been banned? Will someone quote me so I know I'm still here? Anyone?

seclark
03-14-2011, 01:50 PM
It's not me, is it?

couldn't tell you. i'm not a mod;) i can see you though. can you see me?
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DMAC
03-14-2011, 01:51 PM
Have I been banned? Will someone quote me so I know I'm still here? Anyone?

¿puǝ ɹnoʎ uo ʞo ʞool˙˙˙ǝɹǝɥ ǝɹɐ noʎ 'sǝʎ

Dartgod
03-14-2011, 01:53 PM
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I dunno. Looks bad.

Rain Man
03-14-2011, 01:54 PM
¿puǝ ɹnoʎ uo ʞo ʞool˙˙˙ǝɹǝɥ ǝɹɐ noʎ 'sǝʎ

Dang. I just dropped my computer.

seclark
03-14-2011, 01:57 PM
Dang. I just dropped my computer.

i threw my neck out.
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Donger
03-14-2011, 01:59 PM
I'm a little slow. I thought that was Russian.

DaFace
03-14-2011, 02:43 PM
i have no idea wth is going on. is he really banded?

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Yeah. To clarify, though, this was a ban caused by infractions from 3 or more people during the course of a week, not a true mod ban. It's only for two days, though.

Donger
03-14-2011, 02:44 PM
Yeah. To clarify, though, this was a ban caused by infractions from 3 or more people during the course of a week, not a true mod ban. It's only for two days, though.

How does one give an infraction?

DaFace
03-14-2011, 02:52 PM
How does one give an infraction?

I honestly hate the system, but it's one of the few benefits "supporters" get that normal peons like yourself don't. So I guess Step 1 is "donate to the Planet."

Sofa King
03-14-2011, 02:54 PM
http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users16/goldbrickdreams/default/13-cents--large-msg-123257850351.jpg

BigMeatballDave
03-14-2011, 03:13 PM
http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users16/goldbrickdreams/default/13-cents--large-msg-123257850351.jpg?

DMAC
03-14-2011, 03:17 PM
I think there are many different drugs in that change tray.

DMAC
03-14-2011, 03:19 PM
I honestly hate the system, but it's one of the few benefits "supporters" get that normal peons like yourself don't. So I guess Step 1 is "donate to the Planet."

That's not true...i did and I saw nothing from it.

Rain Man
03-14-2011, 03:20 PM
How does one give an infraction?

Pick a random person and I'll show you.

DaFace
03-14-2011, 03:21 PM
That's not true...i did and I saw nothing from it.

It's not an automated system, and AustinChief sucks at keeping up with it. Shoot him a PM if you care.

Donger
03-14-2011, 03:22 PM
Pick a random person and I'll show you.

I pick DMAC.

DMAC
03-14-2011, 03:22 PM
It's not an automated system, and AustinChief sucks at keeping up with it. Shoot him a PM if you care.

I just want my .12 cents back dammit.

Rain Man
03-14-2011, 03:25 PM
I pick DMAC.

Aw, man, not DMAC. He gets that sad little look when you're aiming the barrel at him, and I just can't do it.

DMAC
03-14-2011, 03:41 PM
Aw, man, not DMAC. He gets that sad little look when you're aiming the barrel at him, and I just can't do it.

http://www.gifsoup.com/view4/1127815/flapjack-eyes-a.gif

teedubya
03-14-2011, 03:43 PM
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rrB-tNbUgIk/TX5ELCR_aSI/AAAAAAAAFQI/CJdTpLObyVs/s1600/fukushima_after_explosions.jpg

Sofa King
03-14-2011, 04:50 PM
What did people do before google earth could show us all these pictures.

mlyonsd
03-14-2011, 06:09 PM
FOX reporting an explosion was heard at the Reactor #2 complex.

Just Passin' By
03-14-2011, 06:15 PM
FOX reporting an explosion was heard at the Reactor #2 complex.

Jiji News Agency is reporting the same thing

CaliforniaChief
03-14-2011, 06:16 PM
Watching NHK World feed on Fox. They are hinting at a "worst case scenario" that could be happening...the outer container may have been compromised.

Phobia
03-14-2011, 06:34 PM
What did people do before google earth could show us all these pictures.

Took pictures from airplanes.

Dicky McElephant
03-14-2011, 06:39 PM
Sorry googlegoogle. Micheal Young is not going to play on the Rangers anymore.

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="853" height="510" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/G6-ks_UP988" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

That kid will forever remember that day as the day that he realized that professional sports are a fucking scam.

rrl308
03-14-2011, 11:24 PM
A fourth reactor on fire.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/14/japan-nuclear-plant-explosion_n_835712.html

Bwana
03-14-2011, 11:30 PM
A fourth reactor on fire.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/14/japan-nuclear-plant-explosion_n_835712.html

Wow :doh!:

This whole CF is not going to end well.

rrl308
03-14-2011, 11:46 PM
<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/n6MMIlqvRx4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

WoodDraw
03-14-2011, 11:56 PM
All four reactors at Daini are in cold shutdown apparently. So that's good news, I guess.

Daiichi seems to be getting worse though. The NY Times printed some speculation that they might be on the brink of losing control and having to evacuate the workers.

What a mess. Poor Japan...

tk13
03-15-2011, 12:02 AM
All four reactors at Daini are in cold shutdown apparently. So that's good news, I guess.

Daiichi seems to be getting worse though. The NY Times printed some speculation that they might be on the brink of losing control and having to evacuate the workers.

What a mess. Poor Japan...

I posted an article in the other thread... but 800 workers have left, 50 remain trying to cool it. They've advised everyone within a 30 km radius to stay indoors.

teedubya
03-15-2011, 12:28 AM
REUTERS:

BREAKING NEWS: Hydrogen explosion occurs at Fukushima No. 4 reactor (11:53) english.kyodonews.jp

They are talking about an area 150 miles being completely uninhabitable !

CrazyPhuD
03-15-2011, 01:40 AM
REUTERS:

BREAKING NEWS: Hydrogen explosion occurs at Fukushima No. 4 reactor (11:53) english.kyodonews.jp

They are talking about an area 150 miles being completely uninhabitable !

Seriously WTF are you talking about...if you can't post referencable sources then don't post PERIOD.

There's NO one saying that...at neither Reuter's nor the japanese english site are saying such either.

The only reference to 150miles ANYTHING is the fact that the site just happens to be 150miles from tokyo. THAT sounds far more likely than any 'uninhabitable area'.

Again you have an agenda here, if you want to support that agenda then fine DO IT IN DC. DO NOT DO IT HERE. There's a reason that mod's started banning people for posting false information during pressure times about the chiefs. Same rules should apply here. If you keep posted unfounded material then you should be temp banned.

|Zach|
03-15-2011, 01:42 AM
REUTERS:

BREAKING NEWS: Hydrogen explosion occurs at Fukushima No. 4 reactor (11:53) english.kyodonews.jp

They are talking about an area 150 miles being completely uninhabitable !

You have a credibility problem.

salame
03-15-2011, 01:53 AM
FUCK ME

orange
03-15-2011, 02:57 AM
The boiling-water reactors at Fukushima — 40 years old and designed by General Electric — have spent fuel pools several stories above ground adjacent to the top of the reactor. The hydrogen explosion may have blown off the roof covering the pool, as it's not under containment. The pool requires water circulation to remove decay heat. If this doesn't happen, the water will evaporate and possibly boil off. If a pool wall or support is compromised, then drainage is a concern. Once the water drops to around 5-6 feet above the assemblies, dose rates could be life-threatening near the reactor building. If significant drainage occurs, after several hours the zirconium cladding around the irradiated uranium could ignite.

Then all bets are off.

...

A 1997 report for the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) by Brookhaven National Laboratory also found that a severe pool fire could render about 188 square miles uninhabitable, cause as many as 28,000 cancer fatalities, and cost $59 billion in damage. A single spent fuel pond holds more cesium-137 than was deposited by all atmospheric nuclear weapons tests in the Northern Hemisphere combined. Earthquakes and acts of malice are considered to be the primary events that can cause a major loss of pool water.

In 2003, my colleagues and I published a study that indicated if a spent fuel pool were drained in the United States, a major release of cesium-137 from a pool fire could render an area uninhabitable greater than created by the Chernobyl accident. We recommended that spent fuel older than five years, about 75 percent of what's in U.S. spent fuel pools, be placed in dry hardened casks — something Germany did 25 years ago. The NRC challenged our recommendation, which prompted Congress to request a review of this controversy by the National Academy of Sciences. In 2004, the Academy reported that a "partially or completely drained a spent fuel pool could lead to a propagating zirconium cladding fire and release large quantities of radioactive materials to the environment."

Robert Alvarez, an Institute for Policy Studies senior scholar, served as senior policy adviser to the Energy Department's secretary and deputy assistant secretary for national security and the environment from 1993 to 1999.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/03/13-6

Phobia
03-15-2011, 03:07 AM
Can you imagine what the remaining 50 workers are going through? Could you sleep on site knowing what is happening? Could you function effectively going on 96 hours straight? Anybody else want to volunteer to go inside that complex to help?

Sofa King
03-15-2011, 08:52 AM
Can you imagine what the remaining 50 workers are going through? Could you sleep on site knowing what is happening? Could you function effectively going on 96 hours straight? Anybody else want to volunteer to go inside that complex to help?

I had been wondering this from the start. Just what are the people that are left running this shit going through.

Bad situation.

MOhillbilly
03-15-2011, 08:58 AM
I havent payed attention to any of this. The news comes on i flip the tv off and go outside.
ftw.

BigMeatballDave
03-15-2011, 09:03 AM
Can you imagine what the remaining 50 workers are going through? Could you sleep on site knowing what is happening? Could you function effectively going on 96 hours straight? Anybody else want to volunteer to go inside that complex to help?They're heroes. I couldnt do it.

BigMeatballDave
03-15-2011, 09:04 AM
I havent payed attention to any of this. The news comes on i flip the tv off and go outside.
ftw.I've been glued since the images 1st appeared early Friday morning.

Dave Lane
03-15-2011, 09:17 AM
The radiation if any in the plants is extremely low. There is some as some of the gasses excape. But very low not much more than being outdoors during a large storm from the sun. Only if the containment vessel is ruptured will there be a problem. Otherwise it melts down, which is no big deal, and then they clean it up in a couple months and haul it off to be refined.

Bwana
03-15-2011, 09:22 AM
I havent payed attention to any of this. The news comes on i flip the tv off and go outside.
ftw.

That's kind of been my news program style as well. I'm on the "it is what it is" program. Unless I hear of a giant death cloud heading toward Montana, WTF ever.

MOhillbilly
03-15-2011, 09:27 AM
That's kind of been my news program style as well. I'm on the "it is what it is" program. Unless I hear of a giant death cloud heading toward Montana, WTF ever.

buncha hype. people die. life goes on for the living. end of story.

loochy
03-15-2011, 09:29 AM
The radiation if any in the plants is extremely low. There is some as some of the gasses excape. But very low not much more than being outdoors during a large storm from the sun. Only if the containment vessel is ruptured will there be a problem. Otherwise it melts down, which is no big deal, and then they clean it up in a couple months and haul it off to be refined.

But aren't they fearing a total meltdown (it melting THROUGH the bottom of the containment)? Or are they just throwing around the word "meltdown" to sensationalize and fear monger?

BigMeatballDave
03-15-2011, 09:33 AM
The radiation if any in the plants is extremely low. There is some as some of the gasses excape. But very low not much more than being outdoors during a large storm from the sun. Only if the containment vessel is ruptured will there be a problem. Otherwise it melts down, which is no big deal, and then they clean it up in a couple months and haul it off to be refined.ROFL

Dave Lane
03-15-2011, 09:34 AM
But aren't they fearing a total meltdown (it melting THROUGH the bottom of the containment)? Or are they just throwing around the word "meltdown" to sensationalize and fear monger?

It can't the problem is physics and science stand in its way. Read the earlier article I posted. A COMPLETE meltdown just makes it a little tougher job for cleanup since it will take longer to get the material out of the vessel.

Dave Lane
03-15-2011, 09:37 AM
The almost certain scenario at all of the nuclear plants in Japan is that all of the hazardous material will be contained within the carefully engineered and constructed reactor pressure vessels and the surrounding containment building that were installed before the plants were ever started. During the course of events, there will almost certainly be a need for at least some of the the plant operators to carefully release non-condensible gases from their containment building. Some of those gases will be chemically inert "noble" gases that contain radioactive isotopes. No one will receive a high enough dose of radiation to cause any negative health effects.

I have no first hand knowledge of the specifics at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, or at the Fukushima Daini plant or any of the other plants that might experience similar challenges during the next few days. However, I spent a decade or so being trained and serving as an operator and department head for a nuclear power plant cooled by ordinary water (what we call "light water"). That deeply engrained experience helps me to have a pretty fair idea what must be going on at standard issue reactor plants constructed to international standards in the case where supplying even emergency electrical power is nearly impossible.

I have also studied the reports of the post accident material autopsies conducted at Three Mile Island Unit II in enough detail to be reasonably confident of my understanding of what might happen if the struggling operators are unable to power their cooling water pumps for an extended period of time.

Because standard water cooled nuclear reactors need to be supplied with more water as fission products decay and they cool down, their fuel can be damaged if the water is not delivered. Without water, even the ceramic fuel pellets that can withstand extremely high temperatures can melt. However, the fact that even moderately well trained nuclear specialists may not fully grasp is that the melted fuel is only generating enough heat to melt itself; it is not generating sufficient heat to melt through the thick steel pressure vessel where it resides.

At TMI, the widely predicted and discussed "China Syndrome" did not happen, even though 20-30% of the core melted and slumped to the bottom of the pressure vessel. That melted corium froze again once it contacted the thick metal walls - the maximum measured penetration was just 5/8ths of an inch. Anyone who has ever watched as welder employs a torch to cut through a thick steel wall will understand just how much concentrated power it takes to melt several inches of steel. Avoiding the China Syndrome was not a matter of luck - the scenario is imaginary and only works in fiction. Physics and material science make it impossible.

The plant's containment dome will be contaminated as a result of being the reception location for the steam that boils away while the operators are trying to restore cooling flow. That water will have contacted the core and will contain some of the core material as the cladding gets overheated and damaged.

Radiation levels inside the containment will be many times higher than usual, but that is okay because no one needs routine access inside containment buildings and no humans will be over exposed. The containment walls, reactor coolant piping, and other equipment inside the containment building will condense and capture much of the radioactive materials that are entrained in the water. Other than those vented noble gases mentioned above, essentially nothing will be released to the environment.

Donger
03-15-2011, 09:37 AM
But aren't they fearing a total meltdown (it melting THROUGH the bottom of the containment)? Or are they just throwing around the word "meltdown" to sensationalize and fear monger?

Yes. If corium breaches the containment vessel, that is considered a full meltdown.

Donger
03-15-2011, 09:42 AM
BTW, here's the corium from Chernobyl. It's kind of pretty, really:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/Pictureofchernobyllavaflow.jpg

Dave Lane
03-15-2011, 09:43 AM
You can have a full meltdown of the core without it breaching the containment vessel.

BigMeatballDave
03-15-2011, 09:44 AM
The radiation if any in the plants is extremely low. There is some as some of the gasses excape. But very low not much more than being outdoors during a large storm from the sun. Only if the containment vessel is ruptured will there be a problem. Otherwise it melts down, which is no big deal, and then they clean it up in a couple months and haul it off to be refined.I thought this was sarcasm. You make it sound like its not a big deal. So the fuel rods being exposed is not really a problem?

Donger
03-15-2011, 09:48 AM
You can have a full meltdown of the core without it breaching the containment vessel.

And you can have a partial melt that leads to a breach of the containment vessel. Definitions vary on what a full meltdown is (core vs. vessel breach). Anyway, like you said, the core is critical (pun intended) for all scenarios, but as long as the containment vessel does its job, it's just varying degrees of clean-up.

Dave Lane
03-15-2011, 09:48 AM
I thought this was sarcasm. You make it sound like its not a big deal. So the fuel rods being exposed is not really a problem?

No and a meltdown is no big deal either. Its preferable that it not happen but the containment vessel and the concrete beneath it is designed to catch and stop the reaction.

Donger
03-15-2011, 09:49 AM
I thought this was sarcasm. You make it sound like its not a big deal. So the fuel rods being exposed is not really a problem?

No, exposed control rods are a problem.

Bwana
03-15-2011, 09:49 AM
buncha hype. people die. life goes on for the living. end of story.

Exactly

BigMeatballDave
03-15-2011, 09:49 AM
BTW, here's the corium from Chernobyl. It's kind of pretty, really:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/Pictureofchernobyllavaflow.jpgI'm assuming the stuff oozing out was once molten fuel.

Dave Lane
03-15-2011, 09:51 AM
And you can have a partial melt that leads to a breach of the containment vessel. Definitions vary on what a full meltdown is (core vs. vessel breach). Anyway, like you said, the core is critical (pun intended) for all scenarios, but as long as the containment vessel does its job, it's just varying degrees of clean-up.

Agreed. People think meltdown and they freak out. The containment vessel is critical (adianoeta alert) to the issue.

BigMeatballDave
03-15-2011, 09:52 AM
Admittedly, I know little about this, but how is exposed radioactive material not that bad?

Donger
03-15-2011, 09:52 AM
I'm assuming the stuff oozing out was once molten fuel.

And a few other things, yes.

BigMeatballDave
03-15-2011, 10:00 AM
So, why was Chernobyl so bad? Poor construction?

loochy
03-15-2011, 10:07 AM
So, why was Chernobyl so bad? Poor construction?

Chernobyl was bad because there was an explosion and the poorly designed and insufficiently hardened containment vessel ruptured. This exposed the already superheated graphite moderator components of the reactor to air, causing them to ignite. The resulting fire blew radioactive dust and smoke all over everywhere. It wasn't just a simple meltdown.

This really happened because the Soviets didn't take proper safety precautions and didn't engineer properly.

loochy
03-15-2011, 10:10 AM
Admittedly, I know little about this, but how is exposed radioactive material not that bad?

It's bad, but not "super death to all in Japan" bad. It can be cleaned up. The bad thing is if the containment vessel were breached and a fire would plume radioactive dust and smoke over a huge radius.

Amnorix
03-15-2011, 10:11 AM
Admittedly, I know little about this, but how is exposed radioactive material not that bad?

They're saying it isn't going to get through the containment vessel, so it won't be "exposed" to the air/water, etc.

Amnorix
03-15-2011, 10:12 AM
Side note -- I had no idea that Three Mile Island still had partial operations. It had two plants, TMI-1 and TMI-2. 2 suffered the partial meltdown. 1 is operational to this day.

BigMeatballDave
03-15-2011, 10:15 AM
Thanks for the info, everyone. As per usual, the media is over-hyping it.

Amnorix
03-15-2011, 10:19 AM
Thanks for the info, everyone. As per usual, the media is over-hyping it.


errr...I guess. We're talking about potentially three reactors having a full on meltdown. Latest reports are vague but suggest that two of the down reactors, 5 and 6, are having unidentified "issues", as well, which is completely new and on top of the other problems they've been having. Of course, reactor 4 was not operating when it had an explosion/fire a day or so ago.

And there are 50 workers who may well die of radiation poisoning who are working diligently to try to restore stability to the situation.

A meltdown that breaches the containment system may be unlikely, even highly unlikely, but do you really think this deserves nothing more than a 30 second update in between sports and the weather? :spock:

DaFace
03-15-2011, 10:29 AM
errr...I guess. We're talking about potentially three reactors having a full on meltdown. Latest reports are vague but suggest that two of the down reactors, 5 and 6, are having unidentified "issues", as well, which is completely new and on top of the other problems they've been having. Of course, reactor 4 was not operating when it had an explosion/fire a day or so ago.

And there are 50 workers who may well die of radiation poisoning who are working diligently to try to restore stability to the situation.

A meltdown that breaches the containment system may be unlikely, even highly unlikely, but do you really think this deserves nothing more than a 30 second update in between sports and the weather? :spock:

It's certainly significant, but considering some estimates put the death toll for the event at 10k or more, an extra 50 isn't really that big of a deal. If it causes permanent damage to the area, or if the radiation spreads dramatically further than current estimates, it might be a bigger concern. For now, as cold as it sounds, it's really not that big of a deal compared to the broader event.

BigMeatballDave
03-15-2011, 10:33 AM
but do you really think this deserves nothing more than a 30 second update in between sports and the weather? :spock:Huh? Who said that?

Amnorix
03-15-2011, 10:52 AM
It's certainly significant, but considering some estimates put the death toll for the event at 10k or more, an extra 50 isn't really that big of a deal. If it causes permanent damage to the area, or if the radiation spreads dramatically further than current estimates, it might be a bigger concern. For now, as cold as it sounds, it's really not that big of a deal compared to the broader event.


I agree with that, but there are two dramas playing out right now -- the rescue of the stranded and supplying of the homeless and hungry, and the situation at the plant.

The first is old hat to the media -- Haiti, Katrina, etc. Americans won't stay riveted on that for long. The second is something we've never seen before.

Folks can blame the media all they want, but ultimately, most of the time, they give us what WE ask for.

And, of course, the emphasis is "for now". Hopefully the situation gets better rather than worse, and this all ends up being a "false alarm" of sorts.

Amnorix
03-15-2011, 10:52 AM
Huh? Who said that?

That's how I took the "over-hyping" comment. If I took your statement too far, then my apologies.

Dave Lane
03-15-2011, 11:06 AM
Amnorix IF the containment vessels stay intact the extra radiation the workers will face is minimal and they are in protected buildings not standing next to the cores or in the containment buildings which are breached. This is not a good situation as its been reported as 8 times the normal amount of radiation all of us get each day. But not certain death.

Donger
03-15-2011, 11:07 AM
They had a fire at their spent rod pool? That isn't very good.

Dave Lane
03-15-2011, 11:07 AM
It's bad, but not "super death to all in Japan" bad. It can be cleaned up. The bad thing is if the containment vessel were breached and a fire would plume radioactive dust and smoke over a huge radius.

Now THIS is were the rubber hits the road. If this happens THEN its a huge problem.

Dave Lane
03-15-2011, 11:08 AM
They had a fire at their spent rod pool? That isn't very good.

The water caught fire?

Donger
03-15-2011, 11:10 AM
The water caught fire?

Japanese officials told the International Atomic Energy Agency that the reactor fire was in a fuel storage pond — an area where used nuclear fuel is kept cool — and that "radioactivity is being released directly into the atmosphere." Long after the fire was extinguished, a Japanese official said the pool might still be boiling, though the reported levels of radiation had dropped dramatically by the end of the day.

Amnorix
03-15-2011, 11:42 AM
Amnorix IF the containment vessels stay intact the extra radiation the workers will face is minimal and they are in protected buildings not standing next to the cores or in the containment buildings which are breached. This is not a good situation as its been reported as 8 times the normal amount of radiation all of us get each day. But not certain death.

Yes, I know those 50 aren't doomed to die at this point. Hopefully never.

But there was one point where the radioactivity levels "at the gate" were very significantly higher than healthy. That was a spike, but I'm assuming too many more spikes like that and the long term effects won't be good.

I have far more questions than answers to anything at this point, however. Maybe you or Donger can help:

1. if all the radioactive stuff is in the containment core, then how/why did the explosion (which didn't reach the core) result in radioactive stuff leaking.

2. I get that the plant uses water that it circulates around to keep things cool. Why is seawater better than fresh?

3. the seawater goes in and by heat exchange I assume turns into steam, which what -- goes around the system intermingled with fresh, cools back down to water, and recycles again?

4. How do they suddenly just tap into seawater. I'm assuming they don't hook a pump and hose to the ocean and pump it into the core for chrissakes. But you've got to be puming it in from somewhere somehow, so how do you keep any radioactive material from leaking back out into the water supply, which would be disastrous I assume.

5. Is there a website you know of that describes, roughly, how these plants work, in layman's terms?

I'm currently in the situation of knowing alot of what is going on, but not understanding WHY or HOW it goes on, and find I'm getting more and more annoyed about that. A referral to a website or two would probably be best if anyone knows of any. Wikipedia has failed to answer any of these types of questions.

teedubya
03-15-2011, 12:02 PM
They had a fire at their spent rod pool? That isn't very good.

Multiple spent rod pools, I think...

Here is an article on that...

Newly Realised Threat: Spent fuel rods in storage at Fukushima "Worse than a meltdown"

Not much attention has been focused on the spent fuel rods in storage at Fukushima, but they pose a much greater threat than a meltdown for a massively dispersed radiation catastrophe. A quote:

The pools are a worry at the stricken reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi plant because at least two of the three have lost their roofs in explosions, exposing the spent fuel pools to the atmosphere. By contrast, reactors have strong containment vessels that stand a better chance of bottling up radiation from a meltdown of the fuel in the reactor core.

Were the spent fuel rods in the pools to catch fire, nuclear experts say, the high heat would loft the radiation in clouds that would spread the radioactivity.

“It’s worse than a meltdown,” said David A. Lochbaum, a nuclear engineer at the Union of Concerned Scientists who worked as an instructor on the kinds of General Electric reactors used in Japan. “The reactor is inside thick walls, and the spent fuel of Reactors 1 and 3 is out in the open.”

http://www.cnbc.com/id/42083048

teedubya
03-15-2011, 12:06 PM
As Robert Alvarez, a former nuclear energy adviser to President Bill Clinton, has written, if these waste containers, euphemistically called “ponds,” were to be damaged in an explosion and lose their cooling and radiation-shielding water, they could burst into flame from the resulting burning of the highly flammable zirconium cladding of the fuel rods, blasting perhaps three to nine times as much of these materials into the air as was released by the Chernobyl reactor disaster. (And that’s if just one reactor blows!) Each pool, Alvarez says, generally contains five to ten times as much nuclear material as the reactors themselves. Alvarez cites a 1997 Nuclear Regulatory Commission study that predicted that a waste pool fire could render a 188-square-mile area “uninhabitable” and do $59 billion worth of damage (but that was 13 years ago).

Another nuclear scientist agrees with Alvarez, quoted in an article in the Christian Science Monitor:

"There should be much more attention paid to the spent-fuel pools," says Arjun Makhijani, a nuclear engineer and president of the anti-nuclear power Institute for Energy and Environmental Research. "If there's a complete loss of containment [and thus the water inside], it can catch fire. There's a huge amount of radioactivity inside – far more than is inside the reactors. The damaged reactors are less likely to spread the same vast amounts of radiation that Chernobyl did, but a spent-fuel pool fire could very well produce damage similar to or even greater than Chernobyl."

http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/509

rrl308
03-15-2011, 12:08 PM
Japan Nuclear crisis now a 6 on the severity scale.

Dave Lane
03-15-2011, 12:12 PM
Here you go

Yes, I know those 50 aren't doomed to die at this point. Hopefully never.

But there was one point where the radioactivity levels "at the gate" were very significantly higher than healthy. That was a spike, but I'm assuming too many more spikes like that and the long term effects won't be good.

I have far more questions than answers to anything at this point, however. Maybe you or Donger can help:

1. if all the radioactive stuff is in the containment core, then how/why did the explosion (which didn't reach the core) result in radioactive stuff leaking.

Venting steam from the containment vessel contains very small amounts of radioactive gases. The halflife on these is very quick, like minutes. Some Cesium can escape but again so low levels as to not harm life in any meaning full way.

2. I get that the plant uses water that it circulates around to keep things cool. Why is seawater better than fresh?

Fresh water is better less isotope possibilities. Seawater is only for an emergency situation like this.

3. the seawater goes in and by heat exchange I assume turns into steam, which what -- goes around the system intermingled with fresh, cools back down to water, and recycles again?

Thats the theory.

4. How do they suddenly just tap into seawater. I'm assuming they don't hook a pump and hose to the ocean and pump it into the core for chrissakes. But you've got to be puming it in from somewhere somehow, so how do you keep any radioactive material from leaking back out into the water supply, which would be disastrous I assume.

I thik they are using fire fighting equipment maybe trucks and there is no access to fresh water.


5. Is there a website you know of that describes, roughly, how these plants work, in layman's terms?

I put a link up earlier long article but worth reading. Someone else put up a very good article as well shortly after mine. Its a layman's semi-quicky read on what is happening from actual scientists that have worked in plants and know the safeguards.


I'm currently in the situation of knowing alot of what is going on, but not understanding WHY or HOW it goes on, and find I'm getting more and more annoyed about that. A referral to a website or two would probably be best if anyone knows of any. Wikipedia has failed to answer any of these types of questions.

notorious
03-15-2011, 12:14 PM
It's just a matter of time.


This is going to end historically bad.

rrl308
03-15-2011, 12:14 PM
Most recent quakes in Japan.

http://www.iris.edu/seismon/zoom/events/?lon=143.09&lat=40.4

loochy
03-15-2011, 12:14 PM
1. if all the radioactive stuff is in the containment core, then how/why did the explosion (which didn't reach the core) result in radioactive stuff leaking.

I don't think the explosion itself directly caused the leak. They released some steam from the reactor to reduce pressure. They had to do this because the reactor was getting too hot without cooling (because of no power) and all that extra heat caused pressure to get too high. That steam was radioactive.

Also, the spent fuel pools caught fire. Those are NOT located in the containment vessel and even though the rods are spent, they are still radioactive.


2. I get that the plant uses water that it circulates around to keep things cool. Why is seawater better than fresh?


I don't think it is. It's just readily available in mass quantities.


3. the seawater goes in and by heat exchange I assume turns into steam, which what -- goes around the system intermingled with fresh, cools back down to water, and recycles again?


The seawater is not what is used for steam. The steam water stays in a closed loop. The seawater is used for cooling only.


4. How do they suddenly just tap into seawater. I'm assuming they don't hook a pump and hose to the ocean and pump it into the core for chrissakes. But you've got to be puming it in from somewhere somehow, so how do you keep any radioactive material from leaking back out into the water supply, which would be disastrous I assume.

Yeah, it's pretty much just pumped in and out. I'm sure it's filtered for particulate matter or something. However, this water never comes in contact with the reactor.

5. Is there a website you know of that describes, roughly, how these plants work, in layman's terms?

Yes. There are tons. Here is a rather simple one:


http://science.howstuffworks.com/nuclear-power.htm


http://www.cameco.com/common/images/content/u101/reactor2.jpg

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-15-2011, 12:15 PM
If the irradiated rods boil the water off in the cooling pond, then it is a serious problem.

As far as the exposure of the individual workers go, there is a difference between the immediate danger of acute radiation sickness, which requires a vast amount of radiation exposure, and deleterious long term effects.

Health physicists in the U.S. have known since the 1940s that there is no sub-clinical dose of radiation. There is no truly "safe" amount you can receive, there are only degrees of risk. Thomas Mancuso found that the stated normally acceptable levels were, in fact, 250 times higher than what they should have been.

These 50 people are not going to drop dead in the next two weeks in all likelihood, but their risk of malignancies and other problems are going to increase drastically.

Bwana
03-15-2011, 12:21 PM
These 50 people are not going to drop dead in the next two weeks in all likelihood, but their risk of malignancies and other problems are going to increase drastically.

Without question. Long term, they are likely "horsed."

notorious
03-15-2011, 12:25 PM
These 50 people are not going to drop dead in the next two weeks in all likelihood, but their risk of malignancies and other problems are going to increase drastically.


I hope they don't try to have children........

Pants
03-15-2011, 12:34 PM
Can they keep flooding those pools with more water to keep it from boiling away and exposing the rods to the atmosphere?

Donger
03-15-2011, 12:41 PM
Yes, I know those 50 aren't doomed to die at this point. Hopefully never.

But there was one point where the radioactivity levels "at the gate" were very significantly higher than healthy. That was a spike, but I'm assuming too many more spikes like that and the long term effects won't be good.

I have far more questions than answers to anything at this point, however. Maybe you or Donger can help:

1. if all the radioactive stuff is in the containment core, then how/why did the explosion (which didn't reach the core) result in radioactive stuff leaking.

2. I get that the plant uses water that it circulates around to keep things cool. Why is seawater better than fresh?

3. the seawater goes in and by heat exchange I assume turns into steam, which what -- goes around the system intermingled with fresh, cools back down to water, and recycles again?

4. How do they suddenly just tap into seawater. I'm assuming they don't hook a pump and hose to the ocean and pump it into the core for chrissakes. But you've got to be puming it in from somewhere somehow, so how do you keep any radioactive material from leaking back out into the water supply, which would be disastrous I assume.

5. Is there a website you know of that describes, roughly, how these plants work, in layman's terms?

I'm currently in the situation of knowing alot of what is going on, but not understanding WHY or HOW it goes on, and find I'm getting more and more annoyed about that. A referral to a website or two would probably be best if anyone knows of any. Wikipedia has failed to answer any of these types of questions.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/BoilingWaterReactor.gif

1. As you can see above, in a BWR, the core coolant is the same loop as the generation. Therefore, the water is radioactive. The loop for the condenser is a separate loop. Apparently, they had to vent the coolant side somewhat, which resulted in a release of radioactive steam into the atmosphere.

2. No, sea water is bad for reactors. The only did this out of necessity.

3. As I said above, in a BWR (which these are), the core coolant loop is separate from the condenser coolant. In a PWR, both are on separate loops. See?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/PressurizedWaterReactor.gif

4. The ECCS system allows for direct injection of coolant, in this case seawater, in the case of emergency.

Donger
03-15-2011, 12:48 PM
Can they keep flooding those pools with more water to keep it from boiling away and exposing the rods to the atmosphere?

Yes.

Pants
03-15-2011, 01:08 PM
Yes.

Man, if anyone can do it, it's the Japs. I hope they succeed.

Amnorix
03-15-2011, 01:13 PM
Very helpful Donger, thanks.

BWR is boiling water reactor and PWR is pressurized water reactor, and ECCS is....?

Donger
03-15-2011, 01:13 PM
Man, if anyone can do it, it's the Japs. I hope they succeed.

They've apparently asked us to assist them from the air.

Donger
03-15-2011, 01:14 PM
Very helpful Donger, thanks.

BWR is boiling water reactor and PWR is pressurized water reactor, and ECCS is....?

Sorry, Emergency Core Cooling System.

Pants
03-15-2011, 01:19 PM
They've apparently asked us to assist them from the air.

In what way?

Just Passin' By
03-15-2011, 01:23 PM
In what way?

Nuclear officials say they may seek U.S. and Japanese military help to spray water from helicopters into an overheating spent fuel storage pool at the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/15/japanese-nuclear-panic-rises-agency-says-radiation-leaking-atmosphere/

Just Passin' By
03-15-2011, 01:25 PM
They're talking about snow there tonight. I wouldn't be eating those snowflakes.

WoodDraw
03-15-2011, 01:28 PM
In what way?

I think they've asked us to do air radiation monitoring, and what not. There were some reports earlier that the Japan SDF were putting together plans to dump water on the spent fuel pools, I assume as a backup if the workers have to evacuate. But I can't believe we'd be involved in that.

Amnorix
03-15-2011, 01:36 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/15/japanese-nuclear-panic-rises-agency-says-radiation-leaking-atmosphere/

Holy crap -- these things are just sitting out in the open?

Donger
03-15-2011, 01:39 PM
Holy crap -- these things are just sitting out in the open?

Not really. The spent rods are in containers, but yes, the water surrounding the containers is exposed to atmosphere.

WoodDraw
03-15-2011, 01:51 PM
Yeah, the spent rods don't have the same type of containment that the reactors do. That's why they're such a worry.

Pants
03-15-2011, 01:53 PM
So what went wrong with the pools?

Amnorix
03-15-2011, 01:54 PM
Not really. The spent rods are in containers, but yes, the water surrounding the containers is exposed to atmosphere.

Right, until unless the water boils away, at which point they may (emphasis MAY) -- what -- burn through their containers?

Amnorix
03-15-2011, 01:56 PM
So what went wrong with the pools?

Same problem more or less -- the plant has been unable to keep their cooling systems functioning as well as they are supposed to function. These spent fuel rods are still very hot.

And an explosion took off the top above the pools apparently.

At least Reactor 4 was down for maintenance, so that reactor itself isn't a hazard, apparently. Yeesh.

WoodDraw
03-15-2011, 01:59 PM
So what went wrong with the pools?

Even though they're "spent fuel", they still give off decay heat and need to be kept in cold, circulating water. They've lost their cooling systems, just like the reactors have, so now the water has started to heat up. If they can't keep them covered in water, they could potentially catch fire. And since they're not "contained" like the reactor, they'd release significant radiation directly into the atmosphere.

Donger
03-15-2011, 02:00 PM
Right, until unless the water boils away, at which point they may (emphasis MAY) -- what -- burn through their containers?

Yes, if they were to get hot enough.

Amnorix
03-15-2011, 02:02 PM
Spent Fuel:

Back end

Interim storage

After its operating cycle, the reactor is shut down for refueling. The fuel discharged at that time (spent fuel) is stored either at the reactor site (commonly in a spent fuel pool (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Spent_fuel_pool)) or potentially in a common facility away from reactor sites. If on-site pool storage capacity is exceeded, it may be desirable to store the now cooled aged fuel in modular dry storage facilities known as Independent Spent Fuel Storage Installations (ISFSI) at the reactor site or at a facility away from the site. The spent fuel rods are usually stored in water or boric acid, which provides both cooling (the spent fuel continues to generate decay heat (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Decay_heat) as a result of residual radioactive decay) and shielding to protect the environment from residual ionizing radiation (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Ionizing_radiation), although after at least a year of cooling they may be moved to dry cask storage (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Dry_cask_storage).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fuel_cycle#Interim_storage

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Carso_Fuel_pool.jpg/220px-Carso_Fuel_pool.jpg



Spent fuel pool (SFP) are storage pools for spent fuel (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Spent_fuel) from nuclear reactors (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Nuclear_reactor). Typically 40 or more feet (12,19+ m) deep, with the bottom 14 feet (4,26 m) equipped with storage racks designed to hold fuel assemblies removed from the reactor. These fuel pools are specially designed at the reactor in which the fuel was used and situated at the reactor site. In many countries, the fuel assemblies, after being in the reactor for 3 to 6 years, are stored underwater for 10 to 20 years before being sent for reprocessing (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Nuclear_reprocessing) or dry cask storage (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Dry_cask_storage). The water cools the fuel and provides shielding from radiation (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Radiation).

While only about 8 feet (2,43 m) of water is needed to keep radiation levels below acceptable levels, the extra depth provides a safety margin and allows fuel assemblies to be manipulated without special shielding to protect the operators.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spent_fuel_pool

Pants
03-15-2011, 02:02 PM
Even though they're "spent fuel", they still give off decay heat and need to be kept in cold, circulating water. They've lost their cooling systems, just like the reactors have, so now the water has started to heat up. If they can't keep them covered in water, they could potentially catch fire. And since they're not "contained" like the reactor, they'd release significant radiation directly into the atmosphere.

The good thing is that you can keep pumping cold water into them as it boils away.

Donger
03-15-2011, 02:03 PM
So what went wrong with the pools?

The water in the pools must be circulated by pumps. Apparently, they suffered pump failure. So, the water that is there is just getting hotter and hotter.

DaFace
03-15-2011, 02:06 PM
So what exactly is the end game in all of this? Are they just trying to keep it under control until the cooling systems can be fixed, or will the fuel eventually "burn out" and stabilize?

WoodDraw
03-15-2011, 02:07 PM
The good thing is that you can keep pumping cold water into them as it boils away.

Yeah, I think if they lost control of the spent fuel pools it would be seen as a colossal failure.


I don't know, no one knows what's going on in there. My guess is they're completely overwhelmed, with 50 guys trying to keep control of three reactors and however many spent fuel pools.

Donger
03-15-2011, 02:08 PM
So what exactly is the end game in all of this? Are they just trying to keep it under control until the cooling systems can be fixed, or will the fuel eventually "burn out" and stabilize?

All the reactors were SCRAMed, so there is no fission happening. What they are dealing with is decay heat. Every hour that passes, the heat lessens, but they still need to keep the cores wet in order to remove that heat.

Well, every nanosecond, actually, but you get my point.

Amnorix
03-15-2011, 02:10 PM
errr...can one of you experts confirm that no critical mass may be formed at the bottom of a pool assuming that the water is gone and the spent fuel burns through their containers.

Not having seen any suggestion of a possibility, my assumption is that it is literally impossible, but it'd be nice for someone who got a better grade in High School physics than myself to confirm...

DaFace
03-15-2011, 02:11 PM
All the reactors were SCRAMed, so there is no fission happening. What they are dealing with is decay heat. Every hour that passes, the heat lessens, but they still need to keep the cores wet in order to remove that heat.

Well, every nanosecond, actually, but you get my point.

Gotcha. So basically, they're just trying to keep it cool until it settles down on its own?

Amnorix
03-15-2011, 02:11 PM
So what exactly is the end game in all of this? Are they just trying to keep it under control until the cooling systems can be fixed, or will the fuel eventually "burn out" and stabilize?


The spent fuel cools most in the first 2-4 years after being removed from the reactor, I just read, which gives you an idea of timeframes involved here.

The Japanese Cabinet minister was unable to confirm whether the pool was boiling...

BucEyedPea
03-15-2011, 02:12 PM
Well people are evacuating Tokyo last I read.

Amnorix
03-15-2011, 02:13 PM
The good thing is that you can keep pumping cold water into them as it boils away.

Yes, I agree with this.

BAsed on my reading, however, the water also helps control the radiation. I'm uncertain to what degree having the water simple evaporate into the atmosphere poses a serious risk relating to radioactive "leak".

Normally the water cycles internal to the plant, as I'm understanding it. Here, we may just be constantly refilling a constantly evaporating pool of water.

WoodDraw
03-15-2011, 02:14 PM
errr...can one of you experts confirm that no critical mass may be formed at the bottom of a pool assuming that the water is gone and the spent fuel burns through their containers.

Not having seen any suggestion of a possibility, my assumption is that it is literally impossible, but it'd be nice for someone who got a better grade in High School physics than myself to confirm...

That's what the boric acid is for.

Amnorix
03-15-2011, 02:15 PM
Here's the relevant part of the article:


The maximum temperature of the spent fuel bundles decreases significantly between 2 and 4 years, and less from 4 to 6 years. The fuel pool water is continuously cooled to remove the heat produced by the spent fuel assemblies. Pumps circulate water from the spent fuel pool to heat exchangers (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Heat_exchanger), then back to the spent fuel pool. Radiolysis (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Radiolysis), the dissociation (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Dissociation_(chemistry)) of molecules (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Molecule) by radiation, is of particular concern in wet storage, as water may be split by residual radiation and hydrogen (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Hydrogen) gas may accumulate increasing the risk of explosions. For this reason the air in the room of the pools, as well as the water, must permanently be monitored and treated.

Rain Man
03-15-2011, 02:16 PM
All the reactors were SCRAMed, so there is no fission happening. What they are dealing with is decay heat. Every hour that passes, the heat lessens, but they still need to keep the cores wet in order to remove that heat.

Well, every nanosecond, actually, but you get my point.


So what happens if they don't remove the heat? Just curious as I don my lead underwear.

Donger
03-15-2011, 02:23 PM
errr...can one of you experts confirm that no critical mass may be formed at the bottom of a pool assuming that the water is gone and the spent fuel burns through their containers.

Not having seen any suggestion of a possibility, my assumption is that it is literally impossible, but it'd be nice for someone who got a better grade in High School physics than myself to confirm...

In that scenario, the entire core would melt, including the control rods. Control rods are neutron killers. The entire mass becomes what is known as corium. There's a picture above of the corium from Chernobyl. It cannot go critical to the best of my knowledge. It is highly radioactive though, of course.