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chiefsnorth
03-14-2011, 11:18 AM
The landscape of parts of Japan looks like the aftermath of World War Two; no industrialised country since then has suffered such a death toll. The one tiny, tiny consolation is the extent to which it shows how humanity can rally round in times of adversity, with heroic British rescue teams joining colleagues from the US and elsewhere to fly out.
And solidarity seems especially strong in Japan itself. Perhaps even more impressive than Japan’s technological power is its social strength, with supermarkets cutting prices and vending machine owners giving out free drinks as people work together to survive. Most noticeably of all, there has been no looting, and I’m not the only one curious about this.
This is quite unusual among human cultures, and it’s unlikely it would be the case in Britain.*During the 2007 floods in the West Country abandoned cars were broken into and free packs of bottled water were stolen. There was looting in Chile after the earthquake last year – so much so that troops were sent in; in New Orleans, Hurricane Katrina saw looting on a shocking scale.
Why do some cultures react to disaster by reverting to everyone for himself, but others – especially the Japanese – display altruism even in adversity?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100079703/why-is-there-no-looting-in-japan/#

ClevelandBronco
03-14-2011, 11:20 AM
I can only assume that they export all their television monitors to the U.S., leaving them with none to steal.

HonestChieffan
03-14-2011, 11:20 AM
Values.

chiefsnorth
03-14-2011, 11:23 AM
To what can we attribute the Japanese feeling of solidarity and care for fellow men, making them too proud to loot or kill each other?

What makes adversity raise their character, rather than what happened here with Katrina?

ClevelandBronco
03-14-2011, 11:25 AM
To what can we attribute the Japanese feeling of solidarity and care for fellow men, making them too proud to loot or kill each other?

They're indistinguishable from each other.

patteeu
03-14-2011, 11:27 AM
To what can we attribute the Japanese feeling of solidarity and care for fellow men, making them too proud to loot or kill each other?

What makes adversity raise their character, rather than what happened here with Katrina?

A national identity. A lack of diversity and multiculturalism. I don't know if this is why or not, but it's a serious guess.

Brock
03-14-2011, 11:28 AM
They have very little crime in general, compared to us.

Donger
03-14-2011, 11:31 AM
As I understand it, Japan is a very homogeneous society.

chiefsnorth
03-14-2011, 12:30 PM
I am thinking along the same lines. I wondered if it were just me.

I wonder how much cultural traditions around honor and things like this, which have remained strong due to a homogenous culture, are in play

fan4ever
03-14-2011, 12:35 PM
I would be quite surprised if there were no looting for food, water, essentials, etc. As far as looting for material goods, don't you usually need a place to put that stuff? And how do you transport it?

BucEyedPea
03-14-2011, 12:39 PM
Values.

Yup!

BucEyedPea
03-14-2011, 12:40 PM
I would be quite surprised if there were no looting for food, water, essentials, etc. As far as looting for material goods, don't you usually need a place to put that stuff? And how do you transport it?

LMAO but a great point! :thumb:

kcfanXIII
03-14-2011, 12:43 PM
Honestly I think the fact their culture is thousands of years old has something to do with it. I feel like countries that can be viewed as empires, all follow a certain pattern. Japanese culture is some of the most ancient in the world, and have seen their empire rise and fall multiple times. Maybe they are just setting the pattern. I'm not saying the people are more evolved or anything, but maybe their outlook on things has. Of course this is just my opinion, and I have no real facts to back it up, so take it FWIW...

HonestChieffan
03-14-2011, 12:45 PM
I would be quite surprised if there were no looting for food, water, essentials, etc. As far as looting for material goods, don't you usually need a place to put that stuff? And how do you transport it?

A Rubbermaid tub works...

http://www.funnystuffblog.com/images/looter.jpg

Cardboard Boxes...

http://www.amren.com/ar/2005/10/LOOTER1sml.JPG

VAChief
03-14-2011, 01:05 PM
Values.

Yeah, they have more sex parlors, peep shows and brothels than we have Starbucks.

HonestChieffan
03-14-2011, 01:09 PM
Yeah, they have more sex parlors, peep shows and brothels than we have Starbucks.

Proof that sex shows, brothels and peep shows control looting and crime. Or that Starbucks causes looting and crime. Or that their society is not all hung up on boobs but is hung up on crime?

orange
03-14-2011, 01:13 PM
http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/oda/white/2003/image/ts310501.jpg

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/03/14/1226021/408569-japan-disaster.jpg

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/03/14/1226021/407825-japan-disaster.jpg

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/03/14/420x316-alg_japan_earthquake3.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5091/5522454622_2208f1d09f.jpg


"Why is there no looting in Japan?" Could it be because there's a government there that cares?

ClevelandBronco
03-14-2011, 01:15 PM
"Why is there no looting in Japan?" Could it be because there's a government there that cares?

Look, I'm as jaded a guy as you're likely to find here when it comes to our government, but even I have to ask: Are you ****ing kidding?

orange
03-14-2011, 01:19 PM
Look, I'm as jaded a guy as you're likely to find here when it comes to our government, but even I have to ask: Are you ****ing kidding?

I don't see the cop/guardsman arresting BeerLooter above. Where was he?


"Why is there no looting in Japan?" Could it be because there's a government there that cares?


THERE as in "on site."

Donger
03-14-2011, 01:21 PM
I don't see the cop/guardsman arresting BeerLooter above. Where was he?

Too busy rescuing people from their roofs who didn't evacuate?

HonestChieffan
03-14-2011, 01:26 PM
Bush was very pro-looter.

Pants
03-14-2011, 01:27 PM
Why did the Japanese warriors chose suicide over being captured? Death before dishonor, that's why, dummy.

VAChief
03-14-2011, 01:29 PM
Proof that sex shows, brothels and peep shows control looting and crime. Or that Starbucks causes looting and crime. Or that their society is not all hung up on boobs but is hung up on crime?

Or just values is a relative concept. Prostitution is illegal there as it is here (at least in most places). However that only covers traditional intercourse. You can pay for oral, anal, hand jobs or any other non intercourse delights you want and it is considered quite acceptable, even in marriage.

orange
03-14-2011, 01:32 PM
Too busy rescuing people from their roofs who didn't evacuate?

Exit Strategy: Evacuation lessons learned from Hurricanes Katrina and Rita
By David Wagman


Something happened in New Orleans the week of Aug. 29, 2005, that Dennis Mileti had never seen before in his more than three decades of studying natural disasters and human reactions to them: People were left behind during a mass evacuation.

Emergency managers and other officials can improve their evacuation plans based on lessons from Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. The retired sociology professor and emeritus director of the Natural Hazards Center at the University of Colorado – Boulder says he long considered it a waste of time to plan for mass transportation to help evacuate a city. His understanding of human nature led him to count on the idea that neighbors would not leave neighbors behind.

But in New Orleans, thousands of people were stranded as the city emptied ahead of Hurricane Katrina and during the flooding that followed after several levees failed. Those thousands apparently had no way out and so the idea of neighbor helping neighbor broke down.

“I never heard of any American citizen who couldn’t evacuate because they didn’t have adequate transportation,” Mileti says.

The precise reason that happened remains to be found. But Mileti speculates that the city appears to have had islands of people so isolated from the mainstream that they couldn’t leave. (Similar “islands,” he explains, existed in New York City early in the 20th century.) It wasn’t a matter of these New Orleans residents not wanting to leave. Instead, thousands of them simply were unable to leave, he says.

One lesson for emergency managers nationwide to take away from the Hurricane Katrina evacuation may be to look for similar pockets of isolated, non-mainstream people and plan for how to get them out of town.

http://www.homeland1.com/evacuation/articles/390294-Exit-Strategy-Evacuation-lessons-learned-from-Hurricanes-Katrina-and-Rita/

Rain Man
03-14-2011, 01:33 PM
Yeah, they have more sex parlors, peep shows and brothels than we have Starbucks.

If that's what it takes, I'm fine with that trade.

Donger
03-14-2011, 01:34 PM
Exit Strategy: Evacuation lessons learned from Hurricanes Katrina and Rita
By David Wagman


Something happened in New Orleans the week of Aug. 29, 2005, that Dennis Mileti had never seen before in his more than three decades of studying natural disasters and human reactions to them: People were left behind during a mass evacuation.

Emergency managers and other officials can improve their evacuation plans based on lessons from Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. The retired sociology professor and emeritus director of the Natural Hazards Center at the University of Colorado – Boulder says he long considered it a waste of time to plan for mass transportation to help evacuate a city. His understanding of human nature led him to count on the idea that neighbors would not leave neighbors behind.

But in New Orleans, thousands of people were stranded as the city emptied ahead of Hurricane Katrina and during the flooding that followed after several levees failed. Those thousands apparently had no way out and so the idea of neighbor helping neighbor broke down.

“I never heard of any American citizen who couldn’t evacuate because they didn’t have adequate transportation,” Mileti says.

The precise reason that happened remains to be found. But Mileti speculates that the city appears to have had islands of people so isolated from the mainstream that they couldn’t leave. (Similar “islands,” he explains, existed in New York City early in the 20th century.) It wasn’t a matter of these New Orleans residents not wanting to leave. Instead, thousands of them simply were unable to leave, he says.

One lesson for emergency managers nationwide to take away from the Hurricane Katrina evacuation may be to look for similar pockets of isolated, non-mainstream people and plan for how to get them out of town.

http://www.homeland1.com/evacuation/articles/390294-Exit-Strategy-Evacuation-lessons-learned-from-Hurricanes-Katrina-and-Rita/

Sounds like a failure of neighbors, not government.

Rain Man
03-14-2011, 01:35 PM
Or just values is a relative concept. Prostitution is illegal there as it is here (at least in most places). However that only covers traditional intercourse. You can pay for oral, anal, hand jobs or any other non intercourse delights you want and it is considered quite acceptable, even in marriage.

GET THOSE STARBUCKS OUT OF HERE! MAKE ROOM FOR THE NEW STUFF! MAKE ROOM!

Rain Man
03-14-2011, 01:39 PM
Sounds like a failure of neighbors, not government.

It's an interesting discussion point either way. Other than the infirm, I assumed that self-interest would make most people figure out a way to evacuate. Did those left behind have no self-interest? They can't be as poor as third-world people, or at least I don't think they can. Can third-world people get away? I presume some can, or maybe that's why they have more deaths in disasters. But do third-world people support each other whereas poor Americans don't? Or do poor Americans not ask for help?

orange
03-14-2011, 01:47 PM
Japan is arguably the world leader in readiness. Every year since 1960, the country marks Disaster Prevention Day on Sept. 1, the anniversary of the 1923 Tokyo quake. At many Japanese schools, first-day-of-class celebrations include an evacuation drill. Even the Prime Minster participates: at this year's closing ceremony, Naoto Kan spoke about the importance of "mutual aid" in times of crisis. "I would like to ensure that the government will prepare itself for disaster, together with the people, so that it can confidently say that 'Providing is preventing,' " he said.

Japan boasts the world's most sophisticated earthquake early-warning systems. Emergency drills organized by public and private organizations work, among other things, to transport "stranded" commuters from their offices to their homes. Japan's tsunami warning service, set up in 1952, consists of 300 sensors around the archipelago, including 80 aquatic sensors that monitor seismic activity 24/7. The network is designed to predict the height, speed, location and arrival time of any tsunami heading for the Japanese coast. Tsunami safety has been a focus of coastal city planning throughout the nation. On Japan's east coast, where tsunamis frequently hit, hundreds of earthquake and tsunami proof shelters have been built. Some cities have built tsunami walls and floodgates so that the waves don't travel inland through river systems.



Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2058390,00.html#ixzz1GbZb0W96

But, but ... it wasn't the government/socialism working. No, no, no. ChiefsPlanet says so.

Donger
03-14-2011, 01:51 PM
I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that the mayor of New Orleans and the governor resisted calls to order a full, mandatory evacuation.

HonestChieffan
03-14-2011, 01:53 PM
I may organize a tsunami readiness program for Bates County. If the South Grand goes crazy at Urich, Appleton City and Butler need to be ready.

Oh...Mr Orange....did the governments tsunami sensors our government have warn our coast? Canada's coast? Didn't it warn time and locations of the wave?....just like japans did?

Jaric
03-14-2011, 01:58 PM
So it's Bush's fault the Japanese aren't looting?

orange
03-14-2011, 02:00 PM
Oh...Mr Orange....did the governments tsunami sensors our government have warn our coast?

I'm not referring to the tsunami warning - which should be clear to you since, as you say, we have it, too.

I'm talking about the preparation, the drills, the shelters. "Providing is preventing." And the government ACTUALLY BEING THERE to help, not days or weeks later. There was no looting in Japan because order never broke down.

mlyonsd
03-14-2011, 02:01 PM
I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that the mayor of New Orleans and the governor resisted calls to order a full, mandatory evacuation.

You're not wrong.

orange
03-14-2011, 02:02 PM
So it's Bush's fault the Japanese aren't looting?

No, it's Bush's fault that there WAS looting due to Katrina. You can throw in the LA governor, New Orleans mayor or whoever makes you feel better about an OBVIOUS FAILURE.

Jaric
03-14-2011, 02:02 PM
I'm not referring to the tsunami warning - which should be clear to you since, as you say, we have it, too.

I'm talking about the preparation, the drills, the shelters. "Providing is preventing." And the government ACTUALLY BEING THERE to help, not days or weeks later. There was no looting in Japan because order never broke down.

Are you suggesting that Japanese Culture (emergency response aside) had nothing to do with it?

Donger
03-14-2011, 02:03 PM
No, it's Bush's fault that there WAS looting due to Katrina.

Wow.

Jaric
03-14-2011, 02:03 PM
No, it's Bush's fault that there WAS looting due to Katrina.

How so? See, I would say that it's the people who were, you know, looting that would be at fault for the, well you know, looting.

HonestChieffan
03-14-2011, 02:06 PM
No, it's Bush's fault that there WAS looting due to Katrina. You can throw in the LA governor, New Orleans mayor or whoever makes you feel better about an OBVIOUS FAILURE.

The Federal Government was refused permission. By Law they had to have the States permission to do a great number of things they had lined up to do. Maybe Bush needed to ask nicer or something. Damn George. Just Dammit.

orange
03-14-2011, 02:07 PM
Are you suggesting that Japanese Culture (emergency response aside) had nothing to do with it?

I'm saying it didn't have to, because the cops were there. I would bet starving Japanese would loot just as fast as anyone.

KC Dan
03-14-2011, 02:08 PM
No, it's Bush's fault that there WAS looting due to Katrina. You can throw in the LA governor, New Orleans mayor or whoever makes you feel better about an OBVIOUS FAILURE.
:facepalm::doh!::banghead:

HonestChieffan
03-14-2011, 02:08 PM
How so? See, I would say that it's the people who were, you know, looting that would be at fault for the, well you know, looting.

You fail to put it in order.

Bush sent Katrina.

Thus it was Bush's fault the people abandoned by Bush and stranded in the Bush water felt compelled to steal beer and basketball shoes from the Bush friendly Walmarts store.

mlyonsd
03-14-2011, 02:09 PM
How so? See, I would say that it's the people who were, you know, looting that would be at fault for the, well you know, looting.

No, they needed those big screen tv's in case the power came back on so they could figure out just when they'd be rescued.

HonestChieffan
03-14-2011, 02:09 PM
I'm saying it didn't have to, because the cops were there. I would bet starving Japanese would loot just as fast as anyone.

Were the looters starving for Nikes? Or Heineken?

HonestChieffan
03-14-2011, 02:09 PM
No, they needed those big screen tv's in case the power came back on so they could figure out just when they'd be rescued.

Starved for information you RWNJ Twit.

orange
03-14-2011, 02:11 PM
:facepalm::doh!::banghead:

You're doing a helluva job, Danny.

blaise
03-14-2011, 02:13 PM
orange is the ideal little left wing marching soldier.

Had he lived under Mao he would have happily turned in friends and family to the government.

chiefsnorth
03-14-2011, 02:14 PM
I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that the mayor of New Orleans and the governor resisted calls to order a full, mandatory evacuation.

I remember a fleet of school busses, underwater and unused in any such effort

blaise
03-14-2011, 02:14 PM
I remember a fleet of school busses, underwater and unused in any such effort

Bush should have driven them.

Rain Man
03-14-2011, 02:15 PM
I may organize a tsunami readiness program for Bates County. If the South Grand goes crazy at Urich, Appleton City and Butler need to be ready.

Oh...Mr Orange....did the governments tsunami sensors our government have warn our coast? Canada's coast? Didn't it warn time and locations of the wave?....just like japans did?

I'm going to start lobbying for tsunami sensors here in Denver. I just checked and you're not going to believe this, but we don't have a single sensor here. We're completely vulnerable to tsunamis right now.

orange
03-14-2011, 02:16 PM
Are you suggesting that Japanese Culture (emergency response aside) had nothing to do with it?

Where was this storied Japanese Culture when they systematically raped and looted Asia?

Jaric
03-14-2011, 02:17 PM
I'm going to start lobbying for tsunami sensors here in Denver. I just checked and you're not going to believe this, but we don't have a single sensor here. We're completely vulnerable to tsunamis right now.

If you guys want to pay someone 6 figures or so to watch those sensors give me a call.

orange
03-14-2011, 02:17 PM
I'm going to start lobbying for tsunami sensors here in Denver. I just checked and you're not going to believe this, but we don't have a single sensor here. We're completely vulnerable to tsunamis right now.

Maybe tsunami flood planning for Denver New Orleans? :hmmm:

KC Dan
03-14-2011, 02:18 PM
You're doing a helluva job, Danny.Well considering that I spend a lot of time in Japan due to working for Hitachi and have many friends and co-workers there, I can say unequivocally that the reason for the lack of looting in Japan is that the people are not thugs and criminals. They actually do give a crap about their fellow man and his possessions. Very much unlike this country. BTW, it's Dan. Gave up "Danny" 35 years ago...

HonestChieffan
03-14-2011, 02:18 PM
I'm going to start lobbying for tsunami sensors here in Denver. I just checked and you're not going to believe this, but we don't have a single sensor here. We're completely vulnerable to tsunamis right now.


Thats what Im talkin about! South Platte could rage out of its banks, LoDo gone in an instant! The MFA feed store in Butler MO gone in the blink of an eye! The people must be protected!

Rain Man
03-14-2011, 02:19 PM
Where was this storied Japanese Culture when they systematically raped and looted Asia?

I think the culture is about Japan being homogeneous and putting society above self. It kind of supports viewing other cultures poorly, which often leads to treating other cultures poorly.

The Mad Crapper
03-14-2011, 02:19 PM
it's Bush's fault that there WAS looting due to Katrina.

ROFL

And people take this idiot seriously.

HonestChieffan
03-14-2011, 02:19 PM
If you guys want to pay someone 6 figures or so to watch those sensors give me a call.


Are you Union?

Donger
03-14-2011, 02:21 PM
Personally, I think French should be blamed for the looting. If it weren't for those dumb asses founding a city which is below sea level right next to a huge river and lake, their wouldn't have been anyone there to begin with.

chiefsnorth
03-14-2011, 02:22 PM
orange is the ideal little left wing marching soldier.

Had he lived under Mao he would have happily turned in friends and family to the government.

I think of him more like a pencilneck delivering tips to the Stasi about neighbors who read unorthodox literature.

HonestChieffan
03-14-2011, 02:23 PM
Personally, I think French should be blamed for the looting. If it weren't for those dumb asses founding a city which is below sea level right next to a huge river and lake, their wouldn't have been anyone there to begin with.

If the Brits had kept them out to begin with....

Damn Brits anyway.

orange
03-14-2011, 02:24 PM
Well considering that I spend a lot of time in Japan due to working for Hitachi and have many friends and co-workers there, I can say unequivocally that the reason for the lack of looting in Japan is that the people are not thugs and criminals. They actually do give a crap about their fellow man and his possessions. Very much unlike this country. BTW, it's Dan. Gave up "Danny" 35 years ago...

See #51 above.


I think the culture is about Japan being homogeneous and putting society above self. It kind of supports viewing other cultures poorly, which often leads to treating other cultures poorly.

I agree to an extent. But I think that all goes out the window if there's no law and order. The Japanese govt. seems to agree. They made sure to get boots on the ground.

You know, that government - it's PART of the culture, too.

Jaric
03-14-2011, 02:26 PM
Where was this storied Japanese Culture when they systematically raped and looted Asia?

I think the culture is about Japan being homogeneous and putting society above self. It kind of supports viewing other cultures poorly, which often leads to treating other cultures poorly.

:thumb:

orange
03-14-2011, 02:26 PM
I think of him more like a pencilneck delivering tips to the Stasi about neighbors who read unorthodox literature.

After this, I think of you as just another moron.

ClevelandBronco
03-14-2011, 02:27 PM
ROFL

And people take this idiot seriously.

I take the man very seriously. He's usually far too intelligent to be the victim of a pile-on such as this. But, damn, he's having an off day:

Where was this storied Japanese Culture when they systematically raped and looted Asia?

RedNeckRaider
03-14-2011, 02:29 PM
No, it's Bush's fault that there WAS looting due to Katrina. You can throw in the LA governor, New Orleans mayor or whoever makes you feel better about an OBVIOUS FAILURE.

LMAO orange I know you are a die hard lefty but come on that is just silly~

Rain Man
03-14-2011, 02:29 PM
If the Brits had kept them out to begin with....

Damn Brits anyway.


Indians should've fought harder.

blaise
03-14-2011, 02:29 PM
If you get into a debate with orange, and he doesn't like the way it's going for him, he'll start filling the thread with superfluous links and pastes, start debating things no one actually said, and BOLD FACING a bunch of words and posting little ROFL.

orange
03-14-2011, 02:31 PM
LMAO orange I know you are a die hard lefty but come on that is just silly~

Are you actually trying to defend the Katrina response that even Bush admitted was a failure???

blaise
03-14-2011, 02:33 PM
Get ready for a bunch of cut and paste jobs from the Huffington Post from orange.

chiefsnorth
03-14-2011, 02:34 PM
Are you actually trying to defend the Katrina response that even Bush admitted was a failure???

It wouldnt be any more ridiculous than your verdict that Japan means socialism wins while Katrina means capitalism is a failure.

The Mad Crapper
03-14-2011, 02:34 PM
LMAO orange I know you are a die hard lefty but come on that is just silly~

It's Frankiesque.

ClevelandBronco
03-14-2011, 02:34 PM
Are you actually trying to defend the Katrina response that even Bush admitted was a failure???

Well, look. The first post that forced you down this path accused our government of not caring. If that were truly the case there'd be no reason to even examine whether the response failed.

Jaric
03-14-2011, 02:34 PM
I guess I'm curious as to why the people actually doing the looting hold no responsibility for their actions?

orange
03-14-2011, 02:35 PM
I take the man very seriously. He's usually far too intelligent to be the victim of a pile-on such as this. But, damn, he's having an off day:

And are you claiming that the morally-superior Japanese did NOT rape and loot Asia?


I'm having a real hard time seeing what some of you are actually saying.

Donger
03-14-2011, 02:35 PM
Wow. 33,500 people were rescued by helicopter ALONE after Katrina. I didn't know it was that many.

ClevelandBronco
03-14-2011, 02:35 PM
And are you claiming that the morally-superior Japanese did NOT rape and loot Asia?


I'm having a real hard time seeing what some of you are actually saying.

I'm claiming that it's a ridiculous point that's beneath your usual skill.

Donger
03-14-2011, 02:36 PM
Orange doesn't care about Japanese people.

orange
03-14-2011, 02:36 PM
I guess I'm curious as to why the people actually doing the looting hold no responsibility for their actions?

WTF ever said that?!

But WHY do you think the Japanese put troops out there to prevent it?

Brock
03-14-2011, 02:36 PM
And are you claiming that the morally-superior Japanese did NOT rape and loot Asia?


I'm having a real hard time seeing what some of you are actually saying.

What does it have to do with anything?

RedNeckRaider
03-14-2011, 02:37 PM
Are you actually trying to defend the Katrina response that even Bush admitted was a failure???

Nope, and I dang sure aint defending the worthless shitbags stealing big screens. Heck there was footage of cops stealing purses and shoes. If you are talking about someone taking food to survive that is one thing, but what went on down there was another. There was raping and and all kinds of bullshit in the dome. I live real close to the ocean and if warned about a flood I would leave...even if it required me to walk~

KC Dan
03-14-2011, 02:38 PM
And are you claiming that the morally-superior Japanese did NOT rape and loot Asia?


I'm having a real hard time seeing what some of you are actually saying.Your argument is quite silly. If you are trying to equate the Japanese military abuses in China during the run-up to WWII to what they would do to their own people following a tragic earthquake/tsunami some 70 years later (if their defense force wasn't there) - you're leaking water. Apples to oranges (no pun intended)

blaise
03-14-2011, 02:38 PM
WTF ever said that?!

But WHY do you think the Japanese put troops out there to prevent it?

You did, when you said it was Bush's fault.

The Mad Crapper
03-14-2011, 02:38 PM
And are you claiming that the morally-superior Japanese did NOT rape and loot Asia?


I'm having a real hard time seeing what some of you are actually saying.

Quick! Post a picture of Little Rock Arkansas public schools being integrated

ROFL

Jaric
03-14-2011, 02:39 PM
WTF ever said that?!


No, it's Bush's fault that there WAS looting due to Katrina. You can throw in the LA governor, New Orleans mayor or whoever makes you feel better about an OBVIOUS FAILURE.
:thumb:

KC Dan
03-14-2011, 02:39 PM
WTF ever said that?!

But WHY do you think the Japanese put troops out there to prevent it?Their NDF were sent out to find survivors not prevent looting. They do not have a looting problem contrary to your beliefs

BigRichard
03-14-2011, 02:40 PM
I say it is one of two things...

1. Japanese society tends to value the group more then the individual. When someone succeeds they all do. When someone fails they all do. The don't value the personal achievments as much as their American counterparts. I believe because of this they tend to be less selfish causing them not to loot shit they don't need. However, I would bet if they start starving they will try to get food anyway they can.

2. Japanese society has very little crime. They have a very high success rate when it comes to solving crimes. Therefore it could be that they just think they will be caught if they do anything illegal.

My personal opinion is it is #1 but my second opinion has some merit as well.

orange
03-14-2011, 02:41 PM
Well, look. The first post that forced you down this path accused our government of not caring. If that were truly the case there'd be no reason to even examine whether the response failed.

My first post said the Japanese had troops THERE - and showed pictures. You want to focus on the "care" - whether Bush cared or not didn't help when he didn't act on it


enough. - added to allay further semantics diversions

blaise
03-14-2011, 02:41 PM
orange is right now googling :"Looting" "Japan"

orange
03-14-2011, 02:44 PM
What does it have to do with anything?

Why is there no looting in Japan?

http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/oda/white/2003/image/ts310501.jpg

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/03/14/1226021/408569-japan-disaster.jpg

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/03/14/1226021/407825-japan-disaster.jpg

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/03/14/420x316-alg_japan_earthquake3.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5091/5522454622_2208f1d09f.jpg

This is why.

Bob Dole
03-14-2011, 02:45 PM
As in New Orleans after Katrina, it will take a couple of days before they start shitting where they sleep and bitching that nobody from the government has showed up to wipe their ass for them.

ClevelandBronco
03-14-2011, 02:45 PM
enough.

That's your best move at this point. :thumb:

Brock
03-14-2011, 02:48 PM
Why is there no looting in Japan?

http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/oda/white/2003/image/ts310501.jpg

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/03/14/1226021/408569-japan-disaster.jpg

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/03/14/1226021/407825-japan-disaster.jpg

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/03/14/420x316-alg_japan_earthquake3.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5091/5522454622_2208f1d09f.jpg

This is why.

This is why you said what you said about Japan raping and looting Asia?

Jaric
03-14-2011, 02:49 PM
This is why you said what you said about Japan raping and looting Asia?

As soon as that army guys turns his back, that boat load of women is going to rape the shit out of the first person they see.

The Mad Crapper
03-14-2011, 02:52 PM
orange is right now googling :"Looting" "Japan"

Things were so much easier when Bush was president and he had unlimited readily made material to work with, what with all the looting and raping our troops were doing in Iraq and Afghanistan.

He actually has to do some work here.

orange
03-14-2011, 02:53 PM
This is why you said what you said about Japan raping and looting Asia?

No, that had more to do with these:


Values.

To what can we attribute the Japanese feeling of solidarity and care for fellow men, making them too proud to loot or kill each other?


I wonder how much cultural traditions around honor and things like this, which have remained strong due to a homogenous culture, are in play

I can say unequivocally that the reason for the lack of looting in Japan is that the people are not thugs and criminals. They actually do give a crap about their fellow man and his possessions. Very much unlike this country.

ClevelandBronco
03-14-2011, 02:57 PM
I gotta give you credit for refusing to back down, orange.

Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
"Forward the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!" he said.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Forward, the Light Brigade!"
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the soldier knew
Some one had blunder'd.
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of hell
Rode the six hundred.

Flash'd all their sabres bare,
Flash'd as they turn'd in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wonder'd.
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right thro' the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reel'd from the sabre-stroke
Shatter'd and sunder'd.
Then they rode back, but not,
Not the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro' the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wonder'd.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred!

RedNeckRaider
03-14-2011, 03:01 PM
No, that had more to do with these:

So you are pulling history out of your ass? I guess because of the crusades every Christian is a killer wanting to take over the world? Those damn Christians!!! At least in boxing someone will stop a fight. As Cleveland already mentioned you are a bright guy, but off the mark on this one~

The Mad Crapper
03-14-2011, 03:03 PM
I gotta give you credit for refusing to back down, orange.

Hey, it's not easy for a leftist to hate non-caucasions. He's really putting himself through some major contortions here.

Rain Man
03-14-2011, 03:05 PM
Hey, it's not easy for a leftist to hate non-caucasions. He's really putting himself through some major contortions here.

But in Japan the Japanese are caucasian, kind of.

orange
03-14-2011, 03:07 PM
So you are pulling history out of your ass?

Not at all. I'm pulling nothing out of my ass, I'm pulling history out of HISTORY. Japan DID rape and loot Asia. Period.

The Japanese are not morally superior to anyone else. They will commit every atrocity anyone else will, and require law and order just like anyone else. A difference in this event at this time is that they have a government willing and able to provide it.

RedNeckRaider
03-14-2011, 03:08 PM
But in Japan the Japanese are caucasian, kind of.

Except they all know Kung Fu and are short and smarter....

Pants
03-14-2011, 03:08 PM
So the fact that the Japanese army raped and pillaged the land they conquered is proof that Japanese society is not immune from looting? Gotcha!

Donger
03-14-2011, 03:09 PM
Not at all. I'm pulling nothing out of my ass, I'm pulling history out of HISTORY. Japan DID rape and loot Asia. Period.

The Japanese are not morally superior to anyone else. They will commit every atrocity anyone else will, and require law and order just like anyone else. A difference in this event at this time is that they have a government willing and able to provide it.

But they didn't rape and loot other Japanese.

Pants
03-14-2011, 03:09 PM
Except they all know Kung Fu and are short and smarter....

Kung Fu = China.

Karate/Bushido = Japan.

:)

RedNeckRaider
03-14-2011, 03:10 PM
Not at all. I'm pulling nothing out of my ass, I'm pulling history out of HISTORY. Japan DID rape and loot Asia. Period.

The Japanese are not morally superior to anyone else. They will commit every atrocity anyone else will, and require law and order just like anyone else. A difference in this event at this time is that they have a government willing and able to provide it.

Out of respect I will bow out as I have no desire to pile on you. I totally disagree with your stance and will agree to disagree~

RedNeckRaider
03-14-2011, 03:11 PM
Kung Fu = China.

Karate/Bushido = Japan.

:)

:doh!:

Jaric
03-14-2011, 03:11 PM
Except they all know Kung Fu and are short and smarter....

And are good at math!

Chief Henry
03-14-2011, 03:12 PM
[

"Why is there no looting in Japan?" Could it be because there's a government

there that cares?




Can you say IDIOT among us.

orange
03-14-2011, 03:15 PM
But they didn't rape and loot other Japanese.

Yes, and I'm saying that really doesn't matter. They're completely capable of evil at home as well, which is why you put troops into disaster areas. Even if you're Japan.

Chief Henry
03-14-2011, 03:22 PM
ROFL

And people take this idiot seriously.

this thread is showing how leftist she is....again

Jaric
03-14-2011, 03:23 PM
Yes, and I'm saying that really doesn't matter.
Actually, it really kind of does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaijin

orange
03-14-2011, 03:24 PM
Actually, it really kind of does.

Why aren't the foreigners gaijin in Japan looting? All that free stuff right out there for the taking, and not a moral or value or hint of honor in any of them. Why aren't they looting?

CoMoChief
03-14-2011, 03:25 PM
The landscape of parts of Japan looks like the aftermath of World War Two; no industrialised country since then has suffered such a death toll. The one tiny, tiny consolation is the extent to which it shows how humanity can rally round in times of adversity, with heroic British rescue teams joining colleagues from the US and elsewhere to fly out.
And solidarity seems especially strong in Japan itself. Perhaps even more impressive than Japan’s technological power is its social strength, with supermarkets cutting prices and vending machine owners giving out free drinks as people work together to survive. Most noticeably of all, there has been no looting, and I’m not the only one curious about this.
This is quite unusual among human cultures, and it’s unlikely it would be the case in Britain.*During the 2007 floods in the West Country abandoned cars were broken into and free packs of bottled water were stolen. There was looting in Chile after the earthquake last year – so much so that troops were sent in; in New Orleans, Hurricane Katrina saw looting on a shocking scale.
Why do some cultures react to disaster by reverting to everyone for himself, but others – especially the Japanese – display altruism even in adversity?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100079703/why-is-there-no-looting-in-japan/#

I could go into great detail as to why there isn't looting in Japan like there was in New Orleans after Katrina hit the US....but it would be considered racist. All you have to do is look at the kinds of people that live in New Orleans and Louisiana in general and you'll find out really quick why there was looting there.

BucEyedPea
03-14-2011, 03:27 PM
Yes, and I'm saying that really doesn't matter. They're completely capable of evil at home as well, which is why you put troops into disaster areas. Even if you're Japan.

All men are capable of doing evil. But their raping and looting of Asia is in the past. I hope you don't sandbag with your women too. o:-)

BucEyedPea
03-14-2011, 03:28 PM
Why aren't the foreigners gaijin in Japan looting? All that free stuff right out there for the taking, and not a moral or value or hint of honor in any of them. Why aren't they looting?

Maybe the radiation is keeping them out. Or there are other dangers lurking with all that debris left behind. Besides everything must be soggy. Not everyone is all wet.

gblowfish
03-14-2011, 03:31 PM
Because you can't say "Beer Looter" in Japanese.
It comes out like "Beew Woodah" and nobody knows what the hell you're saying...

HonestChieffan
03-14-2011, 03:31 PM
Maybe the radiation is keeping them out. Or the other dangers lurking with all that debris left behind. Besides everything must be soggy. Not everyone is all wet.

Did you imply that Orange is all wet?

Jaric
03-14-2011, 03:31 PM
Why aren't the foreigners gaijin in Japan looting? All that free stuff right out there for the taking, and not a moral or value or hint of honor in any of them. Why aren't they looting?

Probably because there isn't anyone else doing it? I'm sure you understand the concept of a mob mentality. Most of the people that were looting in Katrina were doing so because everyone else was doing it so why not? That is not the case here.

I'm not saying that the government response has nothing to do with this. I'm sure it does (as does the Japanese legal system which someone else referenced earlier)

But Japanese culture also plays a role. To deny that is foolish.

Jaric
03-14-2011, 03:32 PM
Maybe the radiation is keeping them out. Or the other dangers lurking with all that debris left behind. Besides everything must be soggy. Not everyone is all wet.

This would be the perfect time for Godzilla to strike!

HonestChieffan
03-14-2011, 03:33 PM
This would be the perfect time for Godzilla to strike!


Godzilla is Union too? Jeeeze!

Jaric
03-14-2011, 03:35 PM
Godzilla is Union too? Jeeeze!

He demands free healthcare!

orange
03-14-2011, 03:35 PM
Probably because there isn't anyone else doing it? I'm sure you understand the concept of a mob mentality. Most of the people that were looting in Katrina were doing so because everyone else was doing it so why not? That is not the case here.


I certainly understand the concept of a mob mentality. I've been arguing for its importance this whole thread. That's why you put boots on the ground. Even if you're Japan.

HonestChieffan
03-14-2011, 03:36 PM
cue theme from the Godfather.....mob mentality go to the mattresses

go bowe
03-14-2011, 03:37 PM
Godzilla is Union too? Jeeeze!LMAO LMAO LMAO

teedubya
03-14-2011, 04:03 PM
Yep, I tweeted this same thought early this morning... I find it interesting. If it had been in the US, rioting and free-for-alls would be taking place all over.

ClevelandBronco
03-14-2011, 04:50 PM
I certainly understand the concept of a mob mentality. I've been arguing for its importance this whole thread. That's why you put boots on the ground. Even if you're Japan.

You mean you've been swimming upstream furiously against it this whole thread despite being dashed against the rocks time after time.

JohnnyV13
03-15-2011, 02:17 PM
A national identity. A lack of diversity and multiculturalism. I don't know if this is why or not, but it's a serious guess.

I think what it really comes down to is Japan doesn't have many people who feel they are shortchanged by the system.

People are very prone to loot when they do not feel they are fairly rewarded by society. Consequently, when a breakdown occurs, such people will say to themselves, "A HAH! Now I'll get what's coming to me!" and seize everything they can.

RedNeckRaider
03-15-2011, 02:44 PM
I think what it really comes down to is Japan doesn't have many people who feel they are shortchanged by the system.

People are very prone to loot when they do not feel they are fairly rewarded by society. Consequently, when a breakdown occurs, such people will say to themselves, "A HAH! Now I'll get what's coming to me!" and seize everything they can.

I call those people shitbags~

mikey23545
03-15-2011, 03:31 PM
I think what it really comes down to is Japan doesn't have many people who feel they are shortchanged by the system.

People are very prone to loot when they do not feel they are fairly rewarded by society. Consequently, when a breakdown occurs, such people will say to themselves, "A HAH! Now I'll get what's coming to me!" and seize everything they can.

You mean people who, no matter how much things change, will always continue to play the victim to increase the leverage they have for begging for handouts?

I think you're right.

VAChief
03-15-2011, 08:46 PM
You mean people who, no matter how much things change, will always continue to play the victim to increase the leverage they have for begging for handouts?

I think you're right.

Can we leave the poor bankers out of this please?

mikey23545
03-15-2011, 11:41 PM
Can we leave the poor bankers out of this please?

Actually, most of the bankers didn't beg for anything but it was forced on them by Der Fuhrer.

Besides, it would be kind of hard to compare one year of bailouts to 50 years of sustained whining.

orange
03-15-2011, 11:47 PM
Actually, most of the bankers didn't beg for anything but it was forced on them by Der Fuhrer.

http://www.historyhouse.com/img/c/russo_japanese_laughing_jap.jpg

WV
03-15-2011, 11:59 PM
Perhaps their people actually fear their judicial system.

BIG_DADDY
03-16-2011, 12:10 AM
They have very little crime in general, compared to us.

No shit Sherlock. I think the question is why. I'm sure you can find a way to tip toe around that one.

Hog Farmer
03-16-2011, 02:47 AM
As I understand it, Japan is a very homogeneous society.

Geez man! After all they're going thru you have to be calling them homo's !

InChiefsHell
03-16-2011, 06:08 AM
Geez man! After all they're going thru you have to be calling them homo's !

Not just homo's, but apparently really smart homos...

patteeu
03-16-2011, 08:31 AM
Not just homo's, but apparently really smart homos...

:LOL: