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WV
03-15-2011, 10:21 PM
Despite Bush criticism, Obama mum on gunsMarch 15, 2011 - The Associated Press
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WASHINGTON (AP) - Barack Obama once said it was a "scandal" that then-President George W. Bush didn't force renewal of a federal assault weapons ban. Now it's Obama himself who's steering clear of that and other politically sensitive gun-control measures, even while calling for a new discussion on weapons and "how we can keep America safe for all our people."

The president asked for the new conversation on gun safety in an opinion column in Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' hometown paper, the Arizona Daily Star, over the weekend. He proposed strengthening and enforcing existing laws requiring gun sellers to perform background checks.

But to the disappointment of gun-control advocates, the president didn't mention the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 - when Congress failed to renew it - even though it barred sales of high-capacity magazines like the one used by Giffords' shooter, and even though Obama was once an outspoken supporter of the ban.

Nor did the president take the opportunity to endorse legislation backed by many Democrats on Capitol Hill after Giffords' shooting that would ban high-capacity ammunition magazines but not assault weapons themselves. That bill could be more politically palatable in Congress.

Obama's silence on the issue is a change from earlier in his career. During a debate while running for Senate in 2004, he said: "I think it's a scandal that this president did not force a renewal of this assault weapons ban."

Since becoming president, Obama hasn't sought to force a return of the ban either. In fact he appears to have mentioned it publicly only once, in response to a reporter's question during a 2009 trip to Mexico. At the time the president said he continued to support the ban but "none of us are under any illusion that reinstating that ban would be easy. And so, what we've focused on is how we can improve our enforcement of existing laws."

Obama's stance on that and other gun issues brought him straight "F's" in a report card by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence after his first year in office.

The campaign's president, Paul Helmke, said he was encouraged by Obama's op-ed article, which he said contained the strongest words on gun control from the White House in over a decade. But he said he was "a little surprised" that Obama didn't mention the assault weapons ban. He added, "An op-ed alone's not going to do it, and we're hoping the president is going to show some leadership on this."

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., author of the bill banning ammunition clips with more than 10 rounds, said she was pleased to see Obama talking about gun control but wished he would have said something about blocking access to high-capacity clips. "There are a lot of things I would have liked to have heard from the president, but to me this is a start," she said.

Obama's careful treading on the issue is an acknowledgement of political reality in Washington, where the National Rifle Association and other pro-gun groups hold huge sway. Many Democrats believe that passage of a crime bill including an assault weapons ban in 1994 contributed to heavy Democratic election losses that year. Obama appears to be attempting to craft a measured stance on the issue that won't anger the independent voters he will need to be re-elected in 2012.

"I know that every time we try to talk about guns, it can reinforce stark divides," the president wrote in his opinion piece. "People shout at one another, which makes it impossible to listen. We mire ourselves in stalemate, which makes it impossible to get to where we need to go as a country."

"However, I believe that if common sense prevails, we can get beyond wedge issues and stale political debates to find a sensible, intelligent way to make the United States of America a safer, stronger place."

The National Rifle Association's executive vice president, Wayne LaPierre, said that instead of the conversation Obama is proposing on gun control, there should be "a dialogue about bad people and madmen and how to get them off the street so innocent people can be safe. That's what the dialogue needs to be about."

The White House declined to offer a timeline for any measures to strengthen the background check system, which is hobbled by spotty reporting from states, among other problems. And Obama made no mention in his op-ed of closing a loophole that allows private dealers to sell guns at gun shows without conducting background checks. As a candidate for president Obama supported closing that gap in regulations, but White House spokesman Reid Cherlin declined Monday to say whether the president still held that position.

The White House said that beginning Tuesday the Justice Department will hold a series of meetings with law enforcement officials, mayors, advocates, gun-rights supporters and others to try to come up with some new policy proposals or ideas on gun safety.

"The Department of Justice is continuing this process by meeting with stakeholders on all sides of the issue, to look at ways that we can find common ground to take some commonsense measures that respect American Second Amendment rights but also deal in a commonsense way with American safety and security," presidential press secretary Jay Carney said Monday. The NRA was invited but a spokesman said the group has no plans to attend.

Carney declined to say whether Obama supported McCarthy's legislation to ban high-capacity ammunition clips.

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Personally this is good news to me, but at what point will the BO followers begin to hold his feet to the fire concerning what he's either flipped on or chosen to selectively ignore now?

ClevelandBronco
03-15-2011, 10:31 PM
At first glance, leaving us all with the option of being armed wouldn't appear to be his best move if he truly plans to be an effective socialist dictator.

Direckshun
03-15-2011, 10:35 PM
Personally this is good news to me, but at what point will the BO followers begin to hold his feet to the fire concerning what he's either flipped on or chosen to selectively ignore now?

I don't know... what counts as "holding his feet to the fire"? Most serious supporters of the Presidents aren't going to flip their vote on one issue.

Acknowledging the issue? Talking about it? Pushing in what ways they can? I think most of the serious supporters of the President actually do these things.

Chiefshrink
03-15-2011, 10:37 PM
Of course he is mum. He needs to get those 'independents' back that he lost these last 2yrs exposing the fact he loves Marxist policy:thumb:

ClevelandBronco
03-15-2011, 10:42 PM
I think the party ought to think about how they could go about limiting the number of Bibles we can own — or at least the number of verses we can memorize. Let someone who's armed with the beatitudes loose in a crowd and you can never tell what might happen.

WV
03-15-2011, 10:56 PM
I don't know... what counts as "holding his feet to the fire"? Most serious supporters of the Presidents aren't going to flip their vote on one issue.Acknowledging the issue? Talking about it? Pushing in what ways they can? I think most of the serious supporters of the President actually do these things.

That's my point, this is only one of many.

chiefforlife
03-15-2011, 11:01 PM
When he was campaigning, he said he was NOT after peoples guns. No one believed him. Now he is taking heat for it?
I think he is playing it smart. New laws or even old laws wouldnt have stopped the Arizona attack.

If you are going to kill someone, you arent worried about breaking a gun law.

Direckshun
03-15-2011, 11:05 PM
When he was campaigning, he said he was NOT after peoples guns. No one believed him. Now he is taking heat for it?

Yup.

True or false: gun rights have expanded during the Obama presidency.

Dallas Chief
03-15-2011, 11:12 PM
So funny! I re-read the article twice looking for where W was criticizing Obama. I totally mis-interpreted the title. I was like when did W come out of hiding and actually say something??? Love him or hate him, but at least he is doing the right and honorable thing and staying out of the national scene. Something the last two Dem Presidents should take note of, but I digress.

If there is anything I could praise Obama for is for NOT trying to "get the guns". The whole gun show crowd was all in a tizzy over it too back in '08. As a repsonsible and recreational shooter, I would really hate to reload 10 round mags all the time. I guess my MagPuls are safe... for now...

WV
03-15-2011, 11:17 PM
When he was campaigning, he said he was NOT after peoples guns. No one believed him. Now he is taking heat for it?
I think he is playing it smart. New laws or even old laws wouldnt have stopped the Arizona attack.

If you are going to kill someone, you arent worried about breaking a gun law.

I do recall him saying that during his campaign, but in this case it's not so much to do with that as his ever changing positions. Other politicians get labasted for it and it seems this is yet another area where BO isn't being held accountable.

Also this is more fuel for the fire against those who thought he was "different", not like other politicians.

patteeu
03-15-2011, 11:19 PM
That's a second term initiative, of course.

chiefforlife
03-15-2011, 11:22 PM
That's a second term initiative, of course.

Ha, you could be right but so far he has kept his word on this issue. Lets at least give credit when its due.

patteeu
03-15-2011, 11:30 PM
Ha, you could be right but so far he has kept his word on this issue. Lets at least give credit when its due.

He hasn't really earned any benefit of the doubt. When his promise is to not do something, I'll give him credit for not doing it when he's finished his last day in office. Until then, the guy hasn't earned my trust.

2bikemike
03-16-2011, 12:24 AM
Obama spent all his political capital on forcing the health care law down our throats. Which IMHO is why he is kinda paralyzed right now.

I don't think Obama has changed his beliefs on gun control one iota. If he thought he could get away with it he would be calling for stricter laws and he would go after the so called Assault Weapons and High Cap mags. I don't trust him with the 2A issues what so ever. If he were to get a second term he just might make some waves.

HonestChieffan
03-16-2011, 08:29 PM
Obama is the best thing to happen to gun sales since Clinton's first term.